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Episode 3_ Do we love our bodies · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to episode three of the
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  Spire Podcast. Today we are thank you for once again tuning.
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  Speaker 2: In so softly.
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  Speaker 1: It was like the radio intro, thank you for tuning
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  back in.
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  Speaker 3: My name's Fulton, I'm Nick, Michael.
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  Speaker 1: We are there's no title for us.
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  Speaker 2: We are just here. We are.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say something like we are the Spire Boys,
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  but I was like that, weir.
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  Speaker 2: Let's scratch this.
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  Speaker 4: We started this over again.
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  Speaker 2: That was all right, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, drum roll please, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to
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  the third episode of the Spire Podcast.
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  Speaker 4: It is me Fulton, me Nick and me and Michael.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in again. So we're gonna jump
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  right in our topic today. We've been going through the
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  different Spire acronym, the Aspire acronym, the different letters and
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  what they stand for for anybody who happens to be
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  joining us and doesn't know what the Spire thing is.
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  Spire is a memory aid that stands for spiritual, physical, intellectual, relational,
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  and evangelical. It's meant to be used as a daily
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  plan for life. So every day, in a practical sense,
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  you would look for something that you can do spiritual,
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  write it down and check it off after you do it,
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  something physical, write it down, check it off after you
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  do it, intellectual, relational, and then evangelical. So we're going
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  to go into our own personal experience in each of
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  those things, how our life is sort of moved around
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  spire and how we are trying to sort of round
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  out each of our daily plans in a sense. So
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  what it really is all meant to lead into is
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  the eevangelical And I know what you're probably thinking, you know,
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  the gospel shouting on the streets, but that's not what
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  it is.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of what the the whole point of this is.
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  Speaker 1: It's really to become the best version of who you
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  are and to come to know God, to know yourself,
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  and then to share love and all of that with
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  the world in a.
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  Speaker 2: Real practical way.
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  Speaker 1: So today we're talking about physical. Last time we talked
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  about spiritual kind of how we pray, what that means
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  to us, we listen to a or we read through
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  a Matt Walsh talk, and so today we're on the physical.
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  So I was going to start it off with the
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  basic question, how.
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  Speaker 3: About you started off right, Okay, okay, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and we'll start.
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  Speaker 5: He was finishing the intro to get through all of
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  it and then be like, but first we're yeah, but first,
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  first prayer.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 1: In the name of the Father and the Son of
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  the Holy Spirit, Jesus, thank you for this time here.
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  We asked you to bring the Holy Spirit into this
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  moment and into this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Help us to.
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  Speaker 1: Delve into our own hearts and to see you there,
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  and to come to know ourselves and to know you better,
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  help the conversation and be of worth for everyone who's listening,
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  and that in some way blesses them and blesses us
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  as we continue down this path of life.
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  Speaker 2: We asked this in your name, Amen.
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  Speaker 4: Amen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So first we're of business in your guys's spire plan.
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  What do you do for physical stuff? What's your physical
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  How do you check that box?
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 6: So it's different for me throughout the years, but recently,
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  twice a week I've been going to the gym with
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  a couple of friends, you know, getting swollen, but I
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  can tell, and so in that way my physical of
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  you know, really pushing myself in moments. I also like
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  going climbing whenever it can, like hiking or climbing, yes,
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  both of them, but like rock climbing. Rock climbing in
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  a gym, I haven't done real rock climbing. Oh that
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  sounds more fun, Like oh, cap no, I don't want
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  to die.
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  Speaker 2: What's that guy's name?
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  Speaker 3: So okay, I forget his name.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's super cool though.
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  Speaker 6: But otherwise, you know, I've never really had a consistent
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  workout schedule. I've been doing that more recently with his gym,
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  with a couple of friends, but I've always been relatively active.
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  I love doing anything on the trails, whether or not
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  it's on a bike, unicycle, or climbing anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Just being active, going out and doing stuff outside.
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  Speaker 6: So I think physical doesn't I mean, a daily thing
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  is very important, but there's also aspects of the You
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  can't go on a twenty mile hike every day, but
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  you can do it every once a month and have
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  a really good time doing that, and so I need
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  to work on them more daily.
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  Speaker 2: So why is that important to you?
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  Speaker 1: Like, why do you do those sorts of things, and
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  how does that affect it positively for you?
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  Speaker 3: Positively affect your day and all that?
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  Speaker 6: Well, one experience beautiful moments of peace just out there
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  in nature seeing what I see, hanging out with her
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  if I'm with but two Honestly, after a good workout,
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  specifically cardio type workouts, because other workouts I'm in pain
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  from my soreness and the legs and whatnot. But in
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  the cardio workouts of like mountain biking and all that, Like,
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  once I take my shower and cool off and everything,
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  it's just the rest of the day, I just kind
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  of feel content, just like it's like you did something
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  like that, I'm done. It's just like my body feels
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  comfortable knowing that it worked out and it did stuff,
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  and it's just such a peaceful thing to just sit
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  down and do nothing after you did something.
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  Speaker 3: So that that's about it for me.
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  Speaker 4: Cool.
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  Speaker 5: So I think I told you guys the first time,
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  like I hurt my UCL so like I couldn't do
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  anything for the longest time basically, like unless I was
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  just like running or walking, my arms and stuff I
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  couldn't use all. But last night I started going to
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  the gym again. So from here on out, it's gonna
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  be like five days a week.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, it's a lot.
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  Speaker 5: It is a lot, but it's uh and then well,
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  I guess I'll get into that in the second. But
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  then there's obviously other things of like I was talking
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  about drinking water, making sure that I'm not just eating
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  junk all the time all fast sometimes just you know,
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  little things throughout the day. But five days a week
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  is a lot. But I've never really been able to
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  be consistent with it in the past. And so there's
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  like two reasons I want to do it. The first
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  one is just because of the discipline, Because if I
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  tell myself, even if I don't feel like it, I'm
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  gonna go to the gym, I'm gonna hit legs because
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  that's like nobody wants to hit legs, but I'm gonna
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  do it any because I know it's gonna suck. So
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  just the discipline aspect of it. And then also like
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  what you were talking about with just feeling accomplished, Like
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  it's weird, but when I work out, I almost have
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  like more energy after now, I'm just like I feel like.
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  Speaker 4: I'm in a better mood. I feel like I have
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  more energy.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like I can just I don't attack my day,
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  especially if I do it earlier. I usually don't work
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  out until later because of work and stuff. But it
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  just it makes me feel more energized, It makes me
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  feel more fulfilled, and just physically, if you're in better
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  shape physically, it makes you feel like you're in better
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  shape mentally, spiritually, emotionally, everything like it bleeds over into
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  other aspects of your life. So just if I'm able to,
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  I don't want to say a prayer that I'm able
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  to hit it consistently every week, because you know it's
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  a big thing.
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  Speaker 4: But uh yeah, I mean basically all of what you
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  said too.
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  Speaker 6: One need to say on that before you know you
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  answer the question. But that that makes total sense because
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  there's so many days in which you know, I've done nothing,
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  basically practically nothing, just be a couch potato, and I
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  feel so exhausted mentally tired, and there's like no explanation
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  for it because I've done nothing. There's nothing that should
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  be straining me. But the act of doing nothing strains.
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  Speaker 4: Anything. Yeah, it does. To do something, which is weird.
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  That's very good.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the start of doing something of the hard part,
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  But after you do that, or while you're doing it,
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  it's so much better. But it's so easy to just
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  say on that couch potato, because the one step you
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  have to take before it's relatively smooth sailing that feels
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  so difficult when you're just not wanting to do anything.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I okay, look, I know that working out
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  is important, but this one is the one that I
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  struggle with the most because I the so like I
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  went through different phases kind of the same thing with you,
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  where it's like.
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  Speaker 2: I go through different like I would.
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  Speaker 1: I used to play baseball all the time, and then
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  I like trained at a gym more, and then I
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  did like went to Planet Fitness and all this stuff,
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  but I ended up hurting my back trying to lift
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  too much, you know, the glasses through. And so now
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  really what it looks like on a day to day
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  basis is more of like the I would say, like
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  wanting to be somewhat athletic, but not like a bodybuilder
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  type thing.
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  Speaker 2: So it does come us down.
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  Speaker 1: To, like, like a big thing that I've been trying
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  to figure out is like my diet and stuff, because
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  I've got these food allergies that came from like out
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  of the blue when I was like from fifteen to seventeen.
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  So now I've got to be like much more aware
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  of the foods that I'm eating what's got inflament like
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  inflammatory things, And so I'm much more aware of how
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  foods and drinks and water and sugar is affecting my body.
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  And it's like how that affects my mind, because what
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  I found is if I would eat if I eat
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  like sugar, or if I eat a food that I'm
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  like allergic to or something, it actually makes me more
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  susceptible to like being depressed for like a few days.
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  And so I went through this phase of I would
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  basically eat whatever junk food and all that stuff, and
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  I could handle it for a little while, but then
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  I slowly would be sick all the time. And then
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  but I was already used to eating it so much
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  that I, even though I knew it wasn't like the
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  best thing for me, I still couldn't like stop eating it.
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  But it was like terrible for the longest time. And
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  so that's been like a huge thing, is that I've
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  been trying to sort of recorrect all that stuff and
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  figure out the natural remedies for a lot of these
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  different food allergies and like sicknesses that.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people have nowadays. Okay, it's not just
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  it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Just because I have weak jeans or anything. It's like
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  this is a that's the whole thing. But it and
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  then the other thing is since there's been like I've
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  been learning about this other stuff. It's called postural postural
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  rep u restoration postural yeah, posture restoration system or whatever
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  it is. But it what it does is it goes
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  into the intricacies of how your brain uses your body
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  to connect to the world, and then it'll know what
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  muscles to activate and muscle groups to use and how
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  to situate your body based on its ability to connect.
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  But then when you have injuries or if you have
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  like a shorter leg or or whatever, it is your body,
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  which is already asymmetrical round well enough, just with the
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  different sensors that you have and like electric currents. So
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  there's like all of this weird stuff that I've been
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  having to learn because I've got these injuries from basically
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  pushing myself too hard with working out and trying to
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  go above.
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  Speaker 2: And beyond being impatient, you know how goes. It's a
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  classic story.
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  Speaker 1: And then I so the main things that I do
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  is try to since lifting weights and stuff or running
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  aren't really options because I've got like a knee issue,
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  a lower back issue, and then like a foot issue.
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  It always just ends up in me hurting myself more.
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  So now I've got to kind of do the old
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  man style and I'm like, all right, So I'm like
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  learning more about how your connects to the earth and
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  the kind of support you need, and that stuff is
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  super interesting. If anybody has got problems with like feeling
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  like you can't activate muscle groups or like they're always
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  tight in certain areas, those are the kind of videos
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  you want to watch. Is postural restoration something to restore
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  proper wait, twist risks, never mind to restore proper posture? Yeah,
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  and so I've been learning a lot of that. So
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  every day I try to do something involved with whether
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  it be becoming more informed on how the body's supposed
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  to be laid out, where the different joint pains or
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  inflammation things are coming, whether it's diet or sleep, and
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  then trying to also a big thing is getting my
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  heart beating every day at least once.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm definitely not perfect.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not claiming that at Allah, but a good thing
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  is a good rule of thumb that I use is
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  trying to get my heart beating every day, because then
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  you know you're at least putting out effort, your body's working,
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  you're breathing, and and I know since exercise is like
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  one of the best, it's one of the most proven
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  ways to have a healthy mind and like healthy emotions
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  of that, going through that effort and facing those challenges,
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  like physical challenges, it is so rewarding and so worth it.
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  So I try to have something like I was much
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  better about it when I like that. I go through
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  times where I'm like, Okay, I'm like on this track
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  and now I'm kind of off the track. It's more
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  of like I'm tired of getting hurt all the time.
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  I don't want to go get sweaty. But it's like
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  it's a daily battle.
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  Speaker 6: So when I think on that matter, but like getting
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  a heart beating, Like for me, my campus is about
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  a seven minute bike ride away, so I bike there
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  every day for school, and just a couple of minutes,
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  it's not really enough to get sweaty unless it's hot
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  outside or I'm wearing a lot of jacket stuff. But
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  just it's just that little bit of it's just your
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  heart beats a bit more and it just brings you
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  a bit of more energy. Just something small like that.
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  Just you know, walk to class if you're close by
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  instead of driving.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're forty.
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  Speaker 6: Minutes away, you should get started.
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  Speaker 3: You might make it before.
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  Speaker 4: Break it.
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  Speaker 1: I will say this in my defense, Okay, I may
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  not be doing workouts, but I've been doing a test
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  for the job that I work at.
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  Speaker 2: And just for the sake of it since we're here.
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  Speaker 3: It's a heart rate test.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a heart rate test.
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  Speaker 1: But I have walked five I've walked almost six miles today.
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  I've taken eleven thousand steps and I do that every day.
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  That's nice, and I stand for eleven hours. So in
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  my defense, I still am working out.
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  Speaker 4: Better than yeah, sedentary, Just like saying it, that is
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  a workout. That's good.
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  Speaker 6: Honestly, it's better than doing one hour workout every day
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  and then doing nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel I feel good. Then, you know what.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I was selling myself short. This was just
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  a test because my girlfriend was like, I think I
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  talk to class.
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  Speaker 2: Probably more than I walk more than you do.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't think that could I
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  was like, I have to stand all day. So she's like,
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  all right, here, take this and I'm testing it now
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  and I.
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  Speaker 2: Feel good now, so I feel like accomplished.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I do crush off the physical every day.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, I mean that's another fun thing, is like
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  to not try to compare yourself with others who are
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  doing better than you, and this aspect of that aspect
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  of different people. Of course they'll be different.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you listen to David Goggins, it's.
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  Speaker 6: Like, okay, well, there's an aspect who's gonna car the boats?
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  Speaker 2: It's like, I feel like, oh you not just stand?
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  Speaker 6: There is an aspect of uh, looking to people and
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  having them inspire you to push yourself to what you
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  can actually do. And then there's the aspect of comparing
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  yourself to others in an unhealthy manner of I want
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  to be like you, but I can't be like It's
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  like I put it to work to be like some people,
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  and you can't be like other people. You know, someone
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  who is, you know, four foot two cannot run as
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  fast as someone who is six foot three. It just
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  physically impossible. And then there's all sorts of other amounts
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  to do it, and so yeah, look to people and
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  push yourself, but don't don't let yourself be consumed by
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  trying to be someone your knots.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big thing for me for a
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  long time, is watching like the David Goggins and these
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  guys that are just animals, because it's like, I just
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  I don't if I'm being honest, I just don't have
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  that same real drive like I wish that I did,
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  and I admire it, but it's not like I I
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  just don't have that fire in me. And so it's
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  like whenever I would watch those videos, it's like depressing
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  because I'm like, gosh, I suck, like my life.
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  Speaker 2: Sucks, like you know, no no, no, da da.
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  Speaker 1: But not to point any fingers, not to start anything,
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  but David Goggins has had like three divorces, Okay, So
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  it's like there's different areas people are very skilled in,
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  and there's a I know, I've talked to my friend
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  about this writer Russell Brand talks about mentors, and I
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  was like, in some areas certain people you should should
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  look up to them for what they can accomplish in
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  those realms, but they're a human person with all their
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  own battles and all these different areas of life, and
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  so it's like whether or not you measure up to
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  them in that sense, You've got to remember there are
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  other areas where you will have more like not to
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  say that, not to say not to say I'm more
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  virtuous than David Goggins or anything because I have been divorced,
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  but mainly to just point out the fact that it's
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  easy to get caught in the trap that they're like
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  an idol and you forget that you'll have other skills
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  that they aren't as specialized in that you can bring
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  to the table or you can grow in. So like
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  he might be able to push himself more working out
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  and desire that and really value that, whereas like maybe
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  I would want to I don't know, I wish there
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  was something I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like really good at and I could be like maybe
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  this if I like making it so far fingers crossed, but.
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  Speaker 1: Like I would be more passionate and I would want
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  to make music, so I would want to put more
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  time into that, whereas he would not see that as
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  being worth it, And so I had to You have
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  to make those connections otherwise you kind of just go
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  around chasing whichever person you think is like the coolest
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  at the moment.
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  Speaker 6: There's only two humans where you can look up to
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  in that way of like perfection, and there is nothing
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  about them that you can really find fault with Jesus
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  and Mary.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, like.
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  Speaker 6: Anyone who is you know around you, it's like, yeah,
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  they have all have their own faults.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone has their own sins, their inclinations, their problems. Everyone
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  has their own like skills, talents, awesome things going on too.
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  But there's really only two humans that we could really
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  consider perfect in that sense. One of them is God
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  and the other is is Mother.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 4: Good point.
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  Speaker 2: That is nice. That is nice.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I have noticed that is like I will try to
• 19:56
  just focus on those aspects of Jesus. Is like, okay,
• 20:00
  if I if he was if he was here, what
• 20:02
  would he be doing as far as like I.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Mean, was Jesus running huge marathons?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, so you can get away with not
• 20:11
  having to do that.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Jesus could probably be twenty five.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: He was a carpenter man. He was lugging on massive
• 20:18
  pieces of all.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: See, he could do hard work.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's what is that to me is
• 20:23
  my bare minimum is like if I can do hard
• 20:24
  work and I can't, Okay, So it's like physical is
• 20:28
  not exactly my strong suit.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Anymore, but it's like there are still ways to have.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: The physical aspect of Spire isn't just to be like
• 20:38
  the most dominant physically, that's not the point. It's not
• 20:40
  to be the most attractive, the like whatever whatever. It
• 20:45
  is that the cult of the body is sort of
• 20:48
  used to directing us towards. What it really is is
• 20:53
  appreciating the fact that you have a body and being
• 20:55
  alive in it and experiencing the world. And then also
• 20:59
  the fact that the body is at base, uh, making
• 21:05
  visible the invisible mysteries of life in a sense, and
• 21:08
  it's kind of it's giving an insight and a face
• 21:11
  to your soul and it's tied in with that, and
• 21:14
  so that's what's so important about it. But in addition
• 21:17
  to that, especially with Inspire, the physical aspect is just
• 21:22
  being able to participate and interact with life on a level.
• 21:25
  That's like appreciating the gift given to you as opposed
• 21:29
  to just neglecting and abusing.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: That's fine, neglecting abusing it what it opens It's fine, Yeah, okay,
• 21:39
  buzz I need to hold.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: This if you like.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: No, oh, okay, I thought i'd like open to a
• 21:45
  bigger table. Yeah, mom, dad, if you if you're watching this,
• 21:49
  that this is your coffee table.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, no, it's next.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: That almost sounds like some theology to body stuff, that's
• 22:00
  what you were trying.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: To get into.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean eventually, but I mean there's an aspect
• 22:04
  of physical where it's like, we want to take the
• 22:06
  time to acknowledge the sacredness of the body. But then
• 22:10
  also the practical is that we're human beings and we're
• 22:15
  here to serve, and we're here to love, and we're
• 22:16
  here to experience life. Walking in nature, playing with your kids,
• 22:22
  playing sports, competing like those are some of the best
• 22:26
  things in life and it all some of the most
• 22:29
  beautiful aspects of life come through the experience of the body.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I think that it's fair to say there is a
• 22:37
  sort of responsibility and duty for maintaining your body's health
• 22:44
  and your ability to move and to respect for it
• 22:47
  and not like gorging yourself on food or you know,
• 22:53
  the basic stuff. And it's just kind of learning the
• 22:55
  discipline and.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: It's trying to find that's I think the point is
• 23:00
  it opened straight here. Well, I note this somewhere in
• 23:03
  Genesis talking about this aspect of caring for you yourself.
• 23:08
  So God bless them, and God said to them, be
• 23:09
  fertile and multiply fill the earth and subdue it. Have
• 23:12
  dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of
• 23:14
  the air, and all the living things that crawl in
• 23:15
  the earth. It's probably a better verse somewhere in the
• 23:19
  first couple of chapters. But the idea of having dominion
• 23:22
  and control. A good master is one that takes care
• 23:24
  of what is his and what is ours, our bodies,
• 23:30
  taking care of our body is literally right there in
• 23:33
  the first chapter of Genesis, the very beginning of the Bible.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: It talks about take care of yourself. Interesting, so that's
• 23:41
  why you have the Bible.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and I think that kind of plays into
• 23:44
  like what Jordan Peterson talks about when he's like cleaning
• 23:47
  your room and he's set your house in order before
• 23:50
  you go out and try to change the world. It
• 23:51
  does all come down to that. Oh man, there was
• 23:56
  something that it was. Oh, I just got it recently.
• 24:00
  So I was talking to someone that I know, and
• 24:06
  I was asking for business advice in a sense, but
• 24:09
  like kind of like life advice, like how would I
• 24:11
  how am I going to How am I supposed to
• 24:12
  find a good job? How am I supposed to save money?
• 24:14
  How am I supposed to make enough money to live?
• 24:17
  And he's like, what you want to do if you
• 24:20
  want to run your own business? One day, He's like,
• 24:23
  you need to first go home, sit down and go, Okay,
• 24:25
  what does my cash in look like? How much do
• 24:27
  I make? And then what are my what's my cash
• 24:29
  flow out look like? So what are the things I
• 24:32
  absolutely need to pay for? And then how much money
• 24:34
  do I have left over? And then knowing and tracking
• 24:37
  that on that scale and becoming disciplined with that.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing that a company does.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: But on a much bigger scale. And so he's like,
• 24:46
  if you want to have the capacity to do that
• 24:48
  on a bigger scale, you need the experience and the
• 24:50
  discipline and the understanding of what it looks like on
• 24:54
  a small scale. And so I think it kind of
• 24:56
  plays into the same thing as that is, we've been
• 24:58
  tasked with expanding the garden of Eden and continuing to
• 25:05
  explore life and explore the world, and not to bring
• 25:08
  things into a submission, but to order them. And I
• 25:13
  think having a body that we're I mean being a body,
• 25:18
  being a somebody, we have an also a responsibility to
• 25:22
  in a way care for ourselves as we would care
• 25:25
  for somebody else. I think we kind of get It's
• 25:27
  easy to sort of neglect the body as being like
• 25:30
  a bad thing, but it is not a bad thing.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, actually, okay, very good.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Put my foot down there.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: So it's spirit Alive. A lot of people listening probably
• 25:43
  don't know what spirit Alive is. It's a youth conference.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Probably everyone listening knows.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: There's a couple of people that I think of, like Brandon,
• 25:50
  people who have like followed us and stuff. Well, I
• 25:52
  don't know anyway, even if everybody knows, it's a youth conference, uh,
• 25:56
  that we all volunteer at. And at one of the meetings,
• 26:01
  I was talking about like wanting to do a talk,
• 26:05
  and it was gonna be about like that thing, that
• 26:10
  exact thing, and essentially what I was gonna boil it
• 26:14
  down to, I might do.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: This in the future. Actually talking about it again makes
• 26:17
  me really do it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I'll tell Maria you have to do it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna tell her so you want to have to.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: Jesus gives us two commandments in New Testament. It's basically
• 26:30
  love God and love your neighbor as yourself. But with
• 26:34
  the second one, everybody is always focusing on the love
• 26:37
  your neighbor, which is good. Obviously you should love your neighbor,
• 26:41
  but it specifically says love your neighbor as yourself, and
• 26:47
  I feel like we neglect the second half of that
• 26:50
  pretty often, Yeah, because you can't really love your neighbor.
• 26:54
  This is something that like I've had to learn over
• 26:57
  the past year of my life, is like, if you
• 27:01
  don't love yourself, and that doesn't mean that you should
• 27:06
  be like obsessed with yourself, you shouldn't be like I'm
• 27:09
  the greatest person in the world. But if you don't
• 27:11
  love yourself, you can't really love anybody else because loving
• 27:15
  somebody else And I think we talked about like a
• 27:18
  definition of love last time or something, but I would
• 27:22
  say that another aspect of it is giving yourself over
• 27:26
  to that person in a way, or giving yourself up
• 27:28
  to God, giving yourself up to whatever. And why would
• 27:31
  you do that if you don't like the gift that
• 27:34
  you're giving them, Like if you don't think that the
• 27:36
  gift that you have is good enough to give away to.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Somebody, why would you interesting?
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: So if you if you don't love yourself, you can't
• 27:43
  You're not really capable of loving another person fully.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: You can have kind of like a superficial level of like.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: Caring for that person, but I think that true love
• 27:54
  requires an element of like self love, and I hate
• 27:59
  using that too.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is actually what I've been I've been
• 28:02
  going through this exact same thing, funny enough, in the
• 28:04
  last year. So what I've what I was in the
• 28:08
  in the mindset of is that I'm actually not like
• 28:11
  I don't love myself because I know better than anyone
• 28:14
  why I would not deserve love, and I actually deserve
• 28:16
  to be punished for all the things that I do
• 28:18
  wrong and mess up on. And so I know I
• 28:21
  want to love other people and that's my best, best.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Thing I want to do.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: But if I have no awareness of how I'm loved,
• 28:28
  then I have no experience of feeling loved and accepted,
• 28:32
  and I have no feeling of compassion for myself and
• 28:39
  understanding for myself.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And my own flaws, my own humanity.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: So then if I don't have that, I don't have
• 28:45
  anything to give because you can't give what you don't have.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: And so a big thing.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: That has been is not necessarily learning to love myself
• 28:52
  in the fact of like, man, I just love the
• 28:55
  fact that I keep messing up, and I love the
• 28:57
  fact because it's like loving those as. It's too confusing,
• 29:02
  and I think you can kind of get it confused
• 29:04
  with idolizing yourself as saying like, man, I suck, but
• 29:06
  I love myself anyway. It's like you kind of it's
• 29:10
  almost like we're confusing the word love with I excuse
• 29:14
  myself or I completely condone myself. It's like the reality
• 29:20
  is you need to know that you are loved no
• 29:22
  matter what, for a deeper identity than your actions, because
• 29:26
  you are not your actions.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And I think coming to see.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: That you have value because you're a human being and
• 29:33
  because you have a heart and because you have a soul,
• 29:36
  then you can have compassion on yourself, knowing we're in
• 29:39
  a fallen world and there's temptations and things that you're
• 29:42
  inclined to that you give into because you're weak, but
• 29:45
  you can have compassion for yourself with which means to
• 29:48
  be within the passion. With passion and to sort of
• 29:53
  feel what they're going through their passion, and so you
• 29:55
  can feel that for yourself of saying, yeah, of course
• 29:58
  I am inclined to want this, this easy dopamine hit
• 30:02
  because the weight of life is pretty crushing, and you
• 30:05
  can have compassion for yourself in that weakness and then
• 30:08
  learn that you are loved and loved by God and
• 30:11
  that's an experience that you're supposed to emotionally feel, which
• 30:14
  I never thought that. I thought it was all logical
• 30:15
  or it's like, now God tells me I'm loved. I'm good, right,
• 30:18
  the Bible says I'm love. But really you have to
• 30:21
  learn to dive into that. Listen to our less episode
• 30:24
  on a prayer. That's a way to dive into it.
• 30:27
  It is, and to really know that you're loved, and
• 30:29
  then then you're able and uh oh, you're able to
• 30:37
  actually it overflows as opposed to being something that you're
• 30:41
  constantly chasing when you don't have any like you are
• 30:44
  not going to be able to love if you don't
• 30:47
  have love itself. And so until you're experiencing the love
• 30:51
  for who you are, deep down, your deepest self, who
• 30:54
  you really are, without any of the brokenness and all
• 30:57
  of that, which even though it's mixed all together, you
• 31:00
  still have that solid identity that you were loved as
• 31:02
  a child of God and for being the person that
• 31:05
  you are.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: You know, and then then then you're able.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: To actually go out. But you're I think you're right.
• 31:11
  I feel like we don't. I never really got that message.
• 31:14
  Like the message I got was basically, hey, you're loved,
• 31:18
  you're good, do not sin, don't sin, don't sin, don't sin,
• 31:24
  don't sin, and if you sin, you're getting punished and you've.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Cut yourself off. And it's like, okay, all right, all right,
• 31:31
  that's the point.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: That's that's kind of how and it's you know, it's
• 31:35
  not not anyone's fault in particular, that's just sort of
• 31:38
  the way that it kind of comes off. But I
• 31:41
  feel like we didn't at least our generation, it didn't
• 31:44
  seem like we got the right communication of the message
• 31:48
  that you are loved and you should feel that love.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: But now this new.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Generation is kind of this self love thing. It's gone
• 31:56
  too far to the other side where it's like there's
• 31:59
  no nothing wrong with you, there's nothing that needs to be.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Redirected.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: You are just one hundred percent good and everyone needs
• 32:10
  to like you are one hundred percent.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: It's really tricky because it's like you are.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: You're good, You're one hundred percent good because you're a person,
• 32:19
  but there are there are imperfections that need that would
• 32:28
  better benefit you if they were redirected towards what's ultimately
• 32:33
  fulfilling for your heart.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: I would actually say, so, I'm gonna have to flush
• 32:37
  this thought out as I'm saying it kind of because
• 32:40
  I think that's really good. But that almost goes back
• 32:44
  to I'm gonna try and tie it back into the
• 32:46
  physical thing because you were saying earlier about like David
• 32:49
  Goggins and you being like very different and he has
• 32:53
  like this intense motivation to try and be physically like
• 32:58
  a beast, but.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: You don't have that, and you try you don't have
• 33:03
  That's cool, Yeah, your words man, not I think.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: I think Fulton's be but like you're not.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: You said, you're not like necessarily motivated to do that
• 33:17
  in the same way that he is, and so if
• 33:18
  you tried to do that, it might not be good
• 33:21
  for you. And like you were saying, it physically hurts
• 33:23
  you when you try and lift heavy or like run whatever,
• 33:27
  because you have these injuries, and so trying to keep
• 33:31
  keeps on scaring me.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Trying to push yourself to be.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: David Goggins, that's going to be actually a negative thing.
• 33:40
  Even if his physical regimen whatever is a good example,
• 33:45
  you trying to push yourself in that direction might actually
• 33:48
  be detrimental to you.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: And it was good.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It was actually good for a time because so there
• 33:54
  was a time where I was I wasn't really working
• 34:00
  now at all. I was doing some weightlifting or whatever,
• 34:02
  but I was at this jiu jitsu gym that some
• 34:05
  friends had trained at, and the coach there was like,
• 34:09
  because I didn't like lifting weights because I was I
• 34:12
  was having these like diet problems where I had inflammation.
• 34:14
  So it was like everything my joints all hurt really bad.
• 34:17
  And then I got I had a grossburg but none
• 34:20
  of the muscle, and so then there was all of
• 34:22
  these It was just like and I just was not
• 34:24
  patient enough.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: To really go through the process slowly.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: That was kind of it's all ego, you're just with friends,
• 34:28
  you don't really understand what's going on. But and so
• 34:31
  he goes quit doing all that weightlifting, just come do
• 34:34
  jiu jitsu and I was like, okay, I like wrestling more.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Than lifting weights.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: So I started going to this gym, but it was
• 34:40
  like I was always nervous every time I went, and
• 34:44
  I did not want to go work out, and I
• 34:45
  was like a baby being a baby about it. And
• 34:48
  it was like there was a whole bunch of things
• 34:50
  that all played into it where it's like facing the
• 34:53
  uncomfortability was like miserable. But I went through a stage
• 34:57
  for like two or three years of my life when
• 34:59
  I was trying to get out of a broken spot
• 35:02
  that I was in, let's say, And so that's when
• 35:06
  I would do like cold plunges. I would go running
• 35:08
  in the rain, running in the cold, and I would
• 35:10
  go to the gym as much as I could, and
• 35:12
  it was really good because I had to prove to
• 35:15
  myself that I could face down those weaknesses and so
• 35:19
  it was like important for me and I did do it,
• 35:22
  and I know I did and I had confidence that
• 35:24
  I could do it, and I was like, I know
• 35:26
  that if I'm going to do this boxing thing, I
• 35:28
  should take a boxing match that I can face that fear. No,
• 35:31
  I can get in the ring. And so I would
• 35:32
  watch David Goggin's videos. I'd watch Cameron Haynes's videos all
• 35:35
  the time, Jordan Peterson videos, and every time I was like,
• 35:38
  there's no way I'm going to go to the gym today,
• 35:40
  It's like, yes i am, and so I'd have to
• 35:43
  go to the bathroom because I was nervous, and then
• 35:45
  I would go to the gym.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: And then it was like all right, we're going to
• 35:47
  go through this.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: And so it was really good, but it hit a
• 35:51
  point where it's like I was getting sick all the
• 35:54
  time because I was never willing to let myself rest.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I was always like, I can just keep going. I
• 35:59
  can just keep going.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: But then I was miserable, and then I resented even
• 36:02
  working out, and then I resented the whole guilty feeling
• 36:04
  of like, now, because he's capable of doing that, and
• 36:08
  I know that I could go do this, then I
• 36:11
  actually suck. If I don't do it, then I'm double guilty,
• 36:14
  and then it's like great.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: So I don't know exactly it's going with that, yeah, but.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I think playing into what you were saying is that
• 36:26
  and for other people out there, it's not to make
• 36:28
  an excuse of like, well, he's different.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: So I'm not going to do this.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: There are still certain things that every person I believe
• 36:33
  needs to face, and there's going to be good role
• 36:36
  models that you can look to in those areas, but
• 36:38
  that's not going to be you completely. So even though
• 36:42
  I idolized that ability to just suffer and endure physical stuff,
• 36:46
  it's like, the way it's gone, my body just doesn't
• 36:51
  hold up with a lot of those things for a
• 36:53
  bunch of different reasons, and it's not really beneficial for
• 36:56
  me to hold myself to a standard that.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I don't really want to meet.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I just respect, just like people who can run massive
• 37:03
  marathons or swims however far.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: It's like or Navy seals. It's like I would love.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: To be able to do that, but I just know
• 37:10
  I don't really want to do that, and it's okay to.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Not I want it, but I don't want it right right.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: And so you still got to have a balance.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: You still have to face battles as you get older
• 37:21
  and stuff, but it definitely doesn't have to be something
• 37:24
  where you're idolizing a certain physical accomplishment.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: It's more about finding in your life how you.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: How you can be your best self and do the
• 37:36
  things that interest you and enjoy life and it not
• 37:39
  just be a constant chase for some validation, whether it
• 37:44
  be from yourself or from other people. So is that
• 37:48
  kind of what you were trying to get at? Yeah,
• 37:50
  I feel like I went on a ram.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: So it's fine, it's fine. That's I mean, that's basically
• 37:55
  what I was getting at. And just the idea that
• 37:59
  because I didn't want it to come across as like
• 38:00
  David Goggins works out a bunch and it's like, oh,
• 38:02
  I don't think I can do that, and so you're
• 38:04
  just like, oh, that's not what I'm supposed to do, because,
• 38:05
  like you said, everybody, there is a level where everybody's
• 38:09
  supposed to like you're supposed to take care of your body,
• 38:11
  you're supposed to try and do physical things. So it's
• 38:15
  not I don't think I can do this, so I'm
• 38:17
  just not going to because you should still push yourself.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you should still.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Push yourself, but you should push yourself in the direction
• 38:27
  that you're supposed to go in, if that makes sense,
• 38:29
  Like you're not necessarily I don't feel like I am
• 38:32
  either supposed to be like a bodybuilder, so it wouldn't
• 38:35
  really and like you said you don't want that, So
• 38:39
  if you try and push yourself in that direction where
• 38:42
  you just feel like that's not really what you desire
• 38:44
  at all. And and that's different from being like, I
• 38:48
  don't want to go to the gym today, so I'm
• 38:50
  not going to or like I'm I don't want to
• 38:52
  go to gym to day, so I'm going to to
• 38:53
  make yourself uncomfortable whatever. That's a different thing because I
• 38:56
  know last time I said you should do uncomfortable things.
• 38:59
  But it's different in the sense that for some people
• 39:04
  it's not like physically possible to reach certain goals, so
• 39:07
  you shouldn't try to mirror well another person does to
• 39:12
  a tea because everybody is different. Everybody has different paths
• 39:17
  that they're supposed to go on, so it's like everybody's uh,
• 39:23
  everybody looks different. Everybody's body is different, and there's not
• 39:27
  a mold that we're all.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Supposed to fit into physically, so.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: You shouldn't try and squeeze yourself into a mold that
• 39:34
  you're not going to fit into. Yeah, I guess that's
• 39:36
  kind of the direction I was trying to get at,
• 39:38
  but I had to flesh that out as it was.
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: I saying that because in something you said a bit
• 39:43
  ago about you know, I could do that, and so
• 39:49
  I feel bad when I don't.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: And that's something that I think.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: About a lot, right, Yeah, I know, because there's a
• 39:54
  lot of things I could do, and that's something I've
• 39:57
  been especially thinking about now going a little more off
• 40:00
  on my own, entering graduate school and you know, having
• 40:04
  my own place and all that.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of things I could do.
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: I could really invest a lot of time into my
• 40:10
  studies and learn and be a really good physicist that
• 40:15
  is within some aspects of my capabilities. Maybe not as
• 40:18
  good as other people, but I know that's something I
• 40:20
  could do. I could really invest in a cool YouTube
• 40:24
  channel and just be a speaker in some ways, or
• 40:26
  that I could really invest in having conversations with people
• 40:30
  like this. There's so many different things that I could do.
• 40:33
  Or in terms of physical bodies, I'm not a small guy,
• 40:36
  so I could really invest and become something like a bodybuilder,
• 40:41
  or I could do this or that. There's so many
• 40:43
  different things that I could do.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I can do.
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: I like to think of it in this space like
• 40:47
  I can do anything, but I can't do everything. I mean,
• 40:52
  there's some things that you can't do. But like there's
• 40:55
  such a wide variety of things that you can do,
• 40:58
  but you can't just do everything, and so it's a
• 41:01
  level of priority, a prioritization. We talked about this last
• 41:04
  week or something, where you got to have a priority
• 41:07
  for what you want. You know, I could be a bodybuilder,
• 41:10
  you know, I, like I said, I'm not a small guy,
• 41:12
  so I probably could build up really big muscles, but
• 41:15
  I don't want that. You know, there's aspects that come
• 41:18
  with having really big muscles. You have less flexibility, you
• 41:22
  have this and that, and it's like that's not something
• 41:24
  I want. So like you're saying, I want to be capable,
• 41:27
  and you know, I want to be able to do
• 41:31
  most anything to some degree, but not necessarily to the
• 41:34
  hundredth degree.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: In it, can we have a pause, real clicking? Can
• 41:39
  you check and see if the camera is still going?
• 41:40
  I think it probably is, but yeah, okay, sick.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, So here's what I think.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like this is the this
• 41:51
  I feel like this is the point that we were
• 41:52
  trying to get at.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: So it started off where we talked about our.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Own physical disciplines that we do that work for us,
• 42:01
  and I wanted to draw a point and attention to
• 42:04
  the fact that it doesn't have to be like this
• 42:07
  is not a New Year's resolution daily plan thing. This
• 42:11
  is like, this is an acknowledgment that we are physical
• 42:15
  beings as well as spiritual beings.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Well, we're human beings.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: So we have both of those aspects combined into one
• 42:25
  nature human nature, and so and so there's an importance
• 42:32
  for us to be aware of that and to not
• 42:36
  go too far one way of idolizing the body and
• 42:39
  wanting it to be perfected, or too far the other
• 42:41
  way of saying the body shouldn't be respected in a
• 42:47
  sense or that's.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: Like, I mean, we said we're not going to get
• 42:50
  into this really, but that's kind of a gnosissism thing
• 42:52
  where it's like, yeah, the body and the soul are separate.
• 42:55
  Body bad, soul good. Don't care about the body. Whatever
• 42:59
  the body does is the body's fault, right, Like it's
• 43:02
  it's the same thing.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all tied together.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the experience, like you like if you are
• 43:10
  if you have an experience of listening to music, your
• 43:13
  body is your You need your ears to listen to
• 43:18
  music and to experience that and to feel touch and
• 43:21
  to feel love and those emotions, and like it's all
• 43:24
  Your body is so important, that's who you are, and
• 43:28
  so what spire what the reason it's in there is
• 43:31
  because we get to live with our bodies. And if
• 43:36
  you are blessed enough to not have certain disabilities or
• 43:40
  things that that you you miss out on certain things,
• 43:43
  which that would just that is unbelievably hard. But if
• 43:46
  you have the gift to be able to experience life
• 43:50
  as a body, then there's certain things you can do
• 43:54
  to increase that and also maintain it and take care
• 43:59
  of it, like we talked about earlier. And so I
• 44:02
  think I just wanted to make the point that anything
• 44:10
  that is taking care of your physical nature is a
• 44:13
  good thing, and you don't have to do the most
• 44:18
  extreme things for them to be good things. You can
• 44:21
  find what works for you. Just how It's like I
• 44:23
  would love to be the person that's like I run
• 44:26
  a lot of marathons, I do all of this stuff.
• 44:28
  I do all this stuff, but the reality is like
• 44:30
  I don't, but I do, say, okay, can I do
• 44:34
  some pull ups? I need to make sure I can
• 44:35
  still do pushups. I want to be stretch, be able
• 44:39
  to stretch and be like mobile, and I want to
• 44:43
  like in my mind, I'm like, I want to be
• 44:44
  able to play with my kids. I want to be
• 44:45
  able to play sports. So it's like, am I playing
• 44:48
  sports with friends? Am I walking around moving? Am I
• 44:53
  eating healthy foods? Am I eating things that increase my
• 44:56
  capacity to be charitable and virtuous? Because that is taking
• 45:00
  care of myself because I will be happier and more
• 45:02
  fulfilled if I do that. And that's what the point is.
• 45:05
  It's to acknowledge that the physical reality taking care of
• 45:08
  your body, eating healthily, like those sorts of things will
• 45:13
  play directly into your ability to evangelize, which is the point,
• 45:17
  which is why we're here.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: Yep, I feel like I feel like that, you know what, Yeah, okay, okay,
• 45:25
  that's that's why I wasn't trying to just justify why
• 45:27
  I don't want to do what David Goggins does.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: But maybe a little though.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: You don't want to carry the boats.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I don't want to carry the boats.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: You can carry of the boats, but I think it's
• 45:39
  cool to watch videos of him carrying the boats.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I did have a question that has to do with.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we're talking about the importance of the body
• 45:51
  in a certain sense, and taking care of it and
• 45:53
  maintaining it and loving it and knowing who you are,
• 45:56
  loving who you are, all of those good things. So
• 45:59
  I have this question that, okay, given our culture of
• 46:02
  the daily you know, vibes, blah blah blah, I might
• 46:04
  be going to do a little theology of the body here.
• 46:09
  Why do you think no, scratch that.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Ready for this? Probably not?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Do you love your body?
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: I think that depends on your definition of love?
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Because then it right back, what do you mean you
• 46:37
  have to define? I'm gonna be Jordan Peters. I don't
• 46:40
  like the way the question is phrased, because what do.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: You mean by you? And what do you mean by love?
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: And what do you mean by your and what do
• 46:47
  you mean by a body?
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Basically we know what you mean by do No?
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, all right, no, let me let
• 46:59
  me try.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, do you, Michael, in a broad sense, in as
• 47:04
  much as you are capable of consciously acknowledging, accept, and
• 47:12
  cherish your physical form as it is right now?
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: How was that? Yeah?
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: I think he said, Michael. So I can't answer.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: I think Jordan Peterson would answer that also, and Nick
• 47:27
  I forgot both Fulton question Okay, so I would say
• 47:37
  yes and no, but so yes in the sense that, okay,
• 47:49
  Theresa a little bit here. So this is another thing
• 47:52
  where like over the past probably a year, I've had
• 47:56
  a lot happened, just like I'm trying to get to
• 48:01
  a better place physically, mentally, spiritual, everything. So I would
• 48:05
  say it like all through high school, even before that,
• 48:08
  I freaking like hated the way I looked.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I would look in the mirror and I'm like, what the.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: Heck Like, So I was like that really a long time.
• 48:24
  And so I guess now what I'm trying to do
• 48:28
  and keep on checking that. What I'm trying to do
• 48:31
  is get to a point where I don't feel that
• 48:33
  way at all anymore. And so that doesn't mean that
• 48:37
  all of a sudden I'm like, oh, I have these
• 48:40
  imperfections or like I'm physically weak or whatever.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: Accept that, like we were talking about earlier, But that
• 48:47
  means not looking at myself and being like like, come on, man,
• 48:55
  you're ugly and you're short, and you suck and everything
• 48:58
  about you is terrible. Because I will, like I'll admit
• 49:02
  I used to be like that to the point where
• 49:05
  in my voice and everything, to the point where probably
• 49:08
  a year ago, I.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Would not have done this podcast genuinely.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Because I was like, then you've come a long way.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I don't like.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Kind of bragging about that, but it does feel a
• 49:19
  lot like I've just I genuinely don't think I would
• 49:22
  have done this a year because I have to like
• 49:24
  speak into the mic and record my voice and I
• 49:26
  have my face on camera, and it's like I wouldn't
• 49:29
  have done that a year ago. But now I'm kind
• 49:31
  of getting to the point and so this is where
• 49:34
  I'm like, yes, but no, to the point where I'm like,
• 49:39
  I still have room to grow. I don't think that
• 49:42
  I've just plateaued and I'm like, I've accepted everything about myself, right,
• 49:47
  So I would always say yes but no, just to
• 49:50
  acknowledge that there is room for me to grow.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Still.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: I don't think I'll ever reach kind of the ceiling
• 49:56
  of that, and I'll always like fine, Like like I
• 50:01
  said yesterday, I started I went to the gym for
• 50:03
  the first time like two months, and I'm gonna keep
• 50:06
  on trying to do that because I acknowledge that physically
• 50:10
  like I think I could be in a better place.
• 50:12
  I think that I could be stronger, more capable, more
• 50:16
  physically fit.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: M hm.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: So it's not that I don't love my body and
• 50:22
  like it sounds so weird to say these things. I
• 50:24
  don't like these terms, but like, it's just that I
• 50:29
  want to acknowledge that there's still room to improve essentially
• 50:32
  every action.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Can I help you out with the terms before I
• 50:34
  answer the question myself.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: I'm really bad at like that's what I said, like
• 50:37
  self love or that's not what I meant, but it's
• 50:40
  like okay.
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: Now, Honestly, one of my biggest gripes with the English
• 50:43
  language is how we do not understand what the word
• 50:45
  love means. We have one word love and that needs
• 50:47
  so many different things. But that's the top of another time.
• 50:50
  But what I'm what I'm hearing is because you heard
• 50:54
  the word love and you like, do I think that
• 50:56
  I am perfect as is? And so that's when you like, yes,
• 51:00
  in some way that I acknowledge the good in myself,
• 51:04
  but knowing that I know I can do better. But
• 51:07
  I think what you were answering was am I content
• 51:10
  with who I am the in currently right now? And
• 51:16
  if you are fully content with who you are, you
• 51:19
  will never do anything to grow or become better. So
• 51:23
  never be content in who you are, but love who
• 51:27
  you are. And part of love is striving to do better.
• 51:30
  If a parent loves their kid, they will push them
• 51:36
  and they will you know, punish them when necessary, but
• 51:40
  like direct them towards what is good and not just
• 51:42
  be like, you're my kid, I love you, so go
• 51:46
  do whatever you want. Because kids don't know as much
• 51:49
  as adults do, and their parents can understand that eating
• 51:56
  all of that unhealthy food is not good for you,
• 51:59
  but the kids can necessarily do that, and so the
• 52:01
  aspect of love, it's not the same thing as being content. Yeah,
• 52:05
  and so I think you answered the question do you
• 52:07
  love your body with a yes? I mean those ways
• 52:10
  you could love it more?
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: But yeah, can I say something? But actually you haven't
• 52:13
  said anything.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, no you okay.
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: So we were just talking about like with the parent
• 52:19
  and loving the child, and it's not just acceptance.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: It's pushing people to do better.
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: So I was I was in the car earlier with
• 52:27
  my mom and I don't remember what we were talking about,
• 52:30
  but we got around to this point and I thought
• 52:32
  it was really kind of it hit on a lot
• 52:36
  of what you were just talking about, and it really
• 52:40
  is a good way of kind of tying this all together.
• 52:45
  I think that when it comes to being like, like
• 52:49
  what I was saying is like, God, why do you
• 52:52
  make me ugly?
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: Kind of thing? I think we get confused.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: We confuse God the King and God the Father and
• 53:02
  not in the person of God the Father like the Trinity,
• 53:04
  but like.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: God is the King, but.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: We are also all children of God, and so he's
• 53:13
  our father, and there's two different I think people separate
• 53:17
  those two things when they should be combining them together.
• 53:21
  So a king, you know, this is the part of
• 53:25
  it where it's like.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: I'm physically not good enough. I'm you know, I suck.
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: I'm ugly, I'm weak, I'm not as good as this
• 53:31
  other person. And a king has really really high standards
• 53:38
  and they want you to do everything they want you
• 53:41
  to do, and if you can't do the job, then
• 53:43
  they'll get rid of you and get somebody else. So
• 53:46
  and that's not just king, that's just like think about
• 53:48
  like a high political figure. If you can't do the job,
• 53:52
  then they're going to replace you with somebody else. But
• 53:56
  then a father is different.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: It's conditional versus UNCONDI yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: But it's still.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: God is kind of a combination of both. Because you
• 54:05
  have a job and he wants you to do.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: You have a vocation. God has a plan for you.
• 54:11
  God made you for a specific purpose.
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: But he's not gonna be like, Okay, you filled, you
• 54:19
  didn't do the job. I'm gonna go get Fred to
• 54:21
  do it instead. Fred Fred is.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Like, here's okay. So here's my challenge to this.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: So, first of all, I think when it comes to
• 54:33
  the physical state of the body, if you look in
• 54:41
  the mirror and say, if you can't look in the
• 54:49
  mirror and say I am content the way I am
• 54:58
  in the moment, in the sense of I love myself
• 55:01
  right now, then I think there's a problem. And if
• 55:05
  you look in the mirror and say I should get
• 55:08
  bigger muscles because I want to be better, then I
• 55:12
  think there's a problem because I think what we were
• 55:16
  still in the same trap of I will love myself win.
• 55:21
  So I think, no matter what you look like, you've
• 55:23
  got to realize there's a different game going on than
• 55:27
  physical prowess and stature and esthetic that there's the fact
• 55:33
  alone that you are somebody, no matter what you look like,
• 55:38
  no matter how skinny, fat, strong, weak, feeble, bald, flowing locks.
• 55:46
  If you are in the mindset of I am imperfect
• 55:50
  right now.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Physically, that to.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Me is still it's gonna leave you in a state
• 56:01
  of a conditional sense of acceptance or love for yourself.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: And a value of the body.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Now, I think that there, once you've made that distinction,
• 56:10
  you can still say as far as ability to participate
• 56:16
  in life is like is the goal to look better
• 56:23
  or is the goal to be able to participate in
• 56:25
  life more? Because I think it's the same thing where
• 56:28
  it's like we're so used to seeing this King and
• 56:34
  father difference, where it's like the King is like, well,
• 56:37
  at the end of the day, you're still there's a
• 56:38
  job to do.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Still, it's like you either make it or you don't.
• 56:41
  Either do this.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: But we never hear about God being conditional. It's all
• 56:46
  unconditional love all the way across. So the only thing
• 56:51
  is our participation or not, because it's going to happen anyway.
• 56:57
  We get to participate if that's what we choose to do,
• 57:00
  so that gets rid of any sort of conditional do
• 57:03
  this or don't do this?
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: You could be better, you could do this, you could
• 57:05
  do that.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: But I think that we are so used to thinking well,
• 57:10
  I'm imperfect, but I could be perfect, that I have
• 57:13
  got to do this to be perfect. I have got
• 57:16
  to open my heart up enough to God to be perfect.
• 57:18
  It's that you're still in the same problem. So I
• 57:21
  feel like what you have to actually learn to do
• 57:23
  is reframe your whole perception of what loving and accepting
• 57:28
  yourself is, which is really opening yourself up in a
• 57:31
  vulnerable way to the love of someone who does not
• 57:36
  at all ever think well, you could be this, right,
• 57:41
  Because I feel like even though I keep my own mind,
• 57:44
  keeps one to say yeah, but God would say yeah.
• 57:46
  But you know, I see who you could become. The
• 57:49
  reality is it's like I see who you actually are,
• 57:53
  but you've put up walls, and all I want you
• 57:55
  to do is learn to let those all drop. And
• 57:58
  then once you let those all drop, it doesn't freaking
• 58:01
  matter what you look like. You are loved and I
• 58:04
  know that you're loved, and then that relationship is your
• 58:08
  participation in life. And so the only reason we have
• 58:11
  like a physical thing of like well set a physical
• 58:13
  goal is because it's like I know I have a
• 58:17
  weak nature, and I want to work with myself to
• 58:21
  learn and teach myself how to better participate in life.
• 58:24
  And my avenue within the physical realm is going to
• 58:28
  be going on a ten minute walk every day.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You kind of get where
• 58:33
  my point is here.
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think, okay, so I want to clarify it,
• 58:37
  like I'm not I did not intend for like God
• 58:41
  as a king thing to be like God's love is conditional.
• 58:44
  That's not like the point I was trying to make.
• 58:46
  I think what I meant more, this is the problem
• 58:48
  with me having spontaneous thoughts is just like I say, no,
• 58:51
  this is fine thoughts. It's a good conversation.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: So like.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: I think more, what I was trying to get at
• 58:57
  is I'm trying to think of the best way to
• 59:02
  say this.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: So there's people that I know who look at God
• 59:06
  and they think.
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: God has standards, God has rules, God has all these
• 59:12
  things that he wants you to live up to.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: And in reality, that's it's kind of true.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: And I like the way that that statement was phrased.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: And we can have disagreements.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just like God wants you to live your
• 59:31
  life to the fullest. And so if you're not doing that,
• 59:35
  it's not that he's not gonna love you anymore. But
• 59:39
  I think there's still room for you to grow. But
• 59:41
  I think that if you ignore that, that's kind.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Of But what is living life to the fullest? Is
• 59:47
  it doing the most things? Or is it being the
• 59:50
  most open to God's.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Love for you as you are?
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: It is being the most who you are. Gods on
• 59:57
  where you are. It depends on who.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: If you're in a bad spot, you don't want to
• 1:00:01
  stay where you are.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: If you're in, say, for instance, a state of mortal sin,
• 1:00:06
  you know what is doing the best thing it is
• 1:00:08
  to overcome that, go to confession, you know, let God
• 1:00:12
  take that away from you. So it's not always a
• 1:00:16
  sense of just saying everything about me is good enough,
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  because there are some aspects, particularly in the case of
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  mortal sins, where there is some aspect about you that
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  is just not good and it is good to let
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  God take that from you.
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  Speaker 2: That's not you, though, but that's not you.
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  Speaker 6: But the way we're looking at it, and the way
• 1:00:36
  this question is being phrased, is how you interact and
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  go through this world, which includes the walls that you
• 1:00:43
  put up between you and God. And so while the
• 1:00:45
  inemo self of who you truly are is still within you,
• 1:00:49
  these walls that you put up around you are part
• 1:00:51
  of how we interact with the world. And so when
• 1:00:53
  we look in the mirror and we say how do
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  I feel about myself? We have to be looking through
• 1:00:58
  all of these walls because those are there, and we can't.
• 1:01:02
  We need to get rid of those walls to see
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  who we truly are want to be. In which case,
• 1:01:05
  then we are at where you're saying with being content
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  with who I am in the moment, but with these
• 1:01:11
  walls here there's the aspect of but there's things that
• 1:01:13
  I can do better.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's kind of the that's like a
• 1:01:16
  good you're so much better words than I am, because
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  that's kind of like the point I was trying to
• 1:01:20
  get is not that you shouldn't be content with who
• 1:01:25
  you are, but that you do still have to acknowledge
• 1:01:28
  that there are the walls that you've put up that
• 1:01:30
  you have to take down.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: So it's not saying.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not good enough, I suck, I have to like
• 1:01:38
  be different, but it's you still do have to acknowledge
• 1:01:43
  if you don't like I think the problem would be
• 1:01:47
  when you oh my gosh, I think the problem.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Would come.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: If you are content with where you are and who
• 1:01:56
  you are. I don't think it's a problem unless you
• 1:02:01
  close yourself off to the potential to be better, because
• 1:02:05
  I think that if you close yourself off to the
• 1:02:07
  potential to be better, then you'll stay where you are.
• 1:02:12
  I don't think I mean the fact that perfection is
• 1:02:15
  an impossibility for humanity to attain. So if you don't
• 1:02:20
  allow yourself, really, I think it's not even about acknowledging
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  that you It's not saying I'm bad and I need
• 1:02:28
  to be good. It's saying I'm good, but I could
• 1:02:33
  be better. And there's like a level. There's levels to
• 1:02:36
  it where you're like, Okay, I'm.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: Good, but I could.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah good, Okay, so we'll not push back, but like,
• 1:02:42
  see if we can get to a better clarification.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry for everybody listening. This is kind of
• 1:02:47
  a little convoluted, but it's good.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's getting to something that's reel down at
• 1:02:51
  the bottom, which is what is the purpose.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: For doing physical things?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: And I think if you look at yourself and you say,
• 1:03:05
  I think what my point is of being content with
• 1:03:07
  yourself as you are once you've opened yourself up to love,
• 1:03:11
  is that if you look at yourself and decide for yourself,
• 1:03:18
  I'm not good enough.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: I need to do this and I'll be better.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I think within that very statement is you are not
• 1:03:25
  good enough right now for something which I would say
• 1:03:28
  is to know that you're loved.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: I think that.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: If you really knew an experience and believe that right
• 1:03:34
  now I am good enough to be loved as I
• 1:03:36
  am one hundred percent. I think the actual experience of
• 1:03:40
  that with God, with an openness to God, and it
• 1:03:42
  takes time to get there because you've got.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: To let the walls resolve.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: But the actual experience of that in itself and a
• 1:03:49
  continuation within that relationship.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Will do the work of getting those walls down.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: But if you are in this mindset of once I
• 1:04:02
  do this, I'll get through the walls, then I think
• 1:04:07
  you're missing the point, and that what's more important is
• 1:04:10
  that you're open to love and you feel it and
• 1:04:13
  experience it, and you don't keep the wall there of like, well,
• 1:04:17
  I'm still not good enough in my eyes. You know,
• 1:04:20
  you have to learn that you are actually good exactly
• 1:04:23
  the way you are inherently, and now there's things about
• 1:04:28
  you that should change, but they're not. It's not your
• 1:04:33
  thing to change. The only thing requested of you is
• 1:04:37
  to open.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Up to love in a sense, to open up.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: To love and to a further exploring and withdrawing out
• 1:04:45
  of your real identity as a child, a loved child
• 1:04:48
  of God. That is unconditional. And I think the actual
• 1:04:52
  consequences of that interaction and that relationship and that communication
• 1:05:00
  will do the work. We'll do the thing, we'll do
• 1:05:02
  the job. We'll take care of itself, which is why
• 1:05:04
  it's like, let God do it.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Don't work so much.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: But I think we're just so used to thinking we
• 1:05:08
  got to take things into our own hands.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so I think we probably agree on this
• 1:05:14
  more than we disagree. I think the only clarification that
• 1:05:16
  I would add is that.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: So I agree that if.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: You open yourself up completely, then a lot of the
• 1:05:27
  work will start to be done kind of for you.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: But the only problem that I have with all.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: Of that is that it still does require human action,
• 1:05:37
  So you can't I think that's I don't Yeah, I
• 1:05:40
  don't know, I don't know.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's a complicated day.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: I think that it's still important to recognize that you
• 1:05:47
  have to put in some of the work because, like
• 1:05:50
  we were talking about last time, it's like choosing God,
• 1:05:53
  and we're talking about physical stuff right now. But if
• 1:05:55
  you you can open yourself up all you want, but
• 1:05:58
  God's not going to like put some puppets rings on
• 1:06:00
  you and like walk you to the gym.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: Like if that's what it's going to take.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: Like if you are in bad physical shape and you
• 1:06:11
  participating fully in life is going to require you to
• 1:06:14
  get in better shape. God's not going to you opening
• 1:06:18
  your heart to God. He's not going to walk you
• 1:06:20
  over the gym. You still need to put in the
• 1:06:23
  effort to do that, and that might be hard, and
• 1:06:26
  you have to acknowledge that there's that room for you
• 1:06:30
  to get better.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: In that sense, so it's not saying I'm.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Bad, I should get better.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: It's saying I'm already good, but there are opportunities for me.
• 1:06:40
  You can open yourself up more if you are completely
• 1:06:43
  opened up. I feel like there's nobody that's completely opened up.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: I have an interjection here, one I do agree, you
• 1:06:48
  guys agree. The discussion may seem like it arguing on
• 1:06:55
  some small understandings of words.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Confusion. In that way, it's the.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: Limitations of human language conversation. Yeah, but I want to
• 1:07:04
  bring in the Bible. This last Sunday we have we
• 1:07:08
  had a reading about the talents. I don't know if
• 1:07:11
  you remember this, but you know the Master gave one
• 1:07:14
  servant five talents, and then another servant two, and then
• 1:07:17
  another servant one. The first two servants invested those talents
• 1:07:21
  and doubled the amount they had. The last servant just
• 1:07:24
  hit it. And in the end, when the Master came
• 1:07:27
  and the first two servants like, hey, we doubled what
• 1:07:31
  you gave us, the mass is like, well done, come
• 1:07:34
  join me in my join and whatnot. And then this
• 1:07:36
  last servant says, I hit it. I did nothing with it.
• 1:07:39
  I was scared of you. I just I just didn't
• 1:07:41
  want to ruin anything. The mass is like, you, wicked servant.
• 1:07:47
  And you know, in a Bible study last week a
• 1:07:50
  bunch of us had there was so much talk about
• 1:07:52
  it because it's such a hard reading to read if
• 1:07:55
  you don't understand the more deep aspects of it, because
• 1:07:59
  it looks like really harsh on that one servant. One
• 1:08:02
  side note a talent was approximately fifteen years of wages
• 1:08:06
  of a working man, So these were not small amounts
• 1:08:08
  of money that the Master gave them.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: I always thought it was like one coin or.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: No, probably equivalent to about three million dollars for one talent.
• 1:08:21
  But what the whole idea about this is that the
• 1:08:24
  Master understood these servants. He understood their capabilities. One of
• 1:08:29
  them had the capabilities to do stuff with five, one
• 1:08:32
  of them had the capabilities to do stuff with two.
• 1:08:33
  One of them had the capabilities to do stuff with one.
• 1:08:36
  And that's not to belittle any of them for their capabilities,
• 1:08:39
  because at the end, if they had all done what
• 1:08:41
  the Master wanted to them, they would all be sharing
• 1:08:43
  the same reward. But you know, the first two servants
• 1:08:48
  took what they had and these talents. There's an English
• 1:08:51
  word talent that we use, where it's our skill, our talent,
• 1:08:56
  what we're able to do. God recognizes these talents in us,
• 1:08:59
  He gives them two. They are his gift, and He
• 1:09:02
  wants us to grow these talents and make them more
• 1:09:05
  such that we can produce more.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: On this earth.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: And if we take these talents that God gives us
• 1:09:10
  and just hide it away, and do nothing with it.
• 1:09:12
  Then we are not, you know, doing what our body
• 1:09:15
  is meant to do. Because our body is meant to
• 1:09:17
  grow and be better and to be more close to perfection.
• 1:09:21
  We cannot achieve perfection. That is not a human thing
• 1:09:24
  that we can do. It is only something that God
• 1:09:26
  can instill in us. But as bodies, we are able
• 1:09:30
  to grow and become a little more perfect, and with
• 1:09:34
  the grace of God, we can use that to become
• 1:09:37
  even more And so, you know, I think all of
• 1:09:40
  this is it's just really important to recognize that everything
• 1:09:45
  we have is a gift from God. The bodies we have,
• 1:09:49
  the skills and talents we have, which are different from
• 1:09:51
  other people's skills and talents. People have different minds, different intellects,
• 1:09:55
  different physical prowess, but they are all gifts. And if
• 1:09:59
  we view them as a gift from God. If we
• 1:10:03
  view all that we have as a gift from God,
• 1:10:05
  where He gives it to us freely and says, can
• 1:10:10
  you do things with this, then I believe it would
• 1:10:14
  be our bodily moral responsibility to take these gifts and
• 1:10:19
  improve upon them in our own human way through the
• 1:10:22
  grace of God. But we cannot forget that they are
• 1:10:27
  a gift from God, and that how we are now
• 1:10:30
  and what brought us here, God spoke to us through those.
• 1:10:34
  So the way we are now is good, and the
• 1:10:38
  way we are now is growing closer to God. And
• 1:10:42
  so I think a unification of these these thoughts.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: And ideas together.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: Well, when when you first started talking about this, my
• 1:10:51
  mind immediately went to tomistic simplicity. It's a big philosophical
• 1:10:55
  topic about the nature of God. But the way I
• 1:11:01
  would just describe it in short, because I don't want
• 1:11:03
  to get into philosophical details right now.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: God's mercy is his justice.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: God's justice is his love on earth. We have these
• 1:11:13
  different ways of explaining different aspects of God, but in God,
• 1:11:17
  there is no differentiation between these things. They are all
• 1:11:21
  perfectly unified. And so all of this is perfectly connected
• 1:11:26
  in God, but we cannot fully understand that. So we
• 1:11:29
  have these delineations that we then can argue about which
• 1:11:32
  one's better, which one's worth it, They're all the same. Anyway,
• 1:11:38
  That was my philosophical ordeal.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Hmmm, that was really good.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: So I think we're both right. I agree, that's kind
• 1:11:48
  I think we're both kind of hit on different aspects.
• 1:11:50
  Of it, because I do think.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: That it is still important to recognize you have to
• 1:11:56
  open yourself up and that's where the growth will come from.
• 1:12:00
  But once you open yourself up, it still requires action.
• 1:12:04
  So I think kind of that was a good way
• 1:12:05
  of bringing it all together because I think we both
• 1:12:07
  hit on different aspects of that.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: That was super interesting.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, really okay, well said, well said okay.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: So so then two for my own understanding, I think
• 1:12:23
  a way that I've thought about it in the past
• 1:12:24
  is that the physical reality in a way is a
• 1:12:28
  representation of the spiritual reality. So in the same way
• 1:12:32
  you have to die to yourself spiritually to open up
• 1:12:35
  to love and the experience of life, I think that
• 1:12:38
  you also have to die physically. And both of that
• 1:12:40
  requires effort and human action. And so dying to yourself
• 1:12:45
  physically would be to discipline the body, like Saint Paul says,
• 1:12:49
  I disciplined the body and whatever and fast and all
• 1:12:51
  that stuff. And so maybe instead of thinking, there's probably
• 1:12:57
  tied into both of those, like a motivation if I
• 1:12:59
  do want to have more confidence be able to like
• 1:13:01
  look in there and be proud of hard work put in.
• 1:13:03
  And there's an aspect of seeing yourself look bigger and
• 1:13:06
  all that stuff. But then also what plays into that,
• 1:13:10
  as long as you're able to have the self awareness
• 1:13:12
  is that you will have to die to yourself and
• 1:13:15
  your desire to sit the accounch potato to go outside
• 1:13:18
  and run. But it will be better for you and
• 1:13:20
  more meaningful in the long run, no pun intended. And
• 1:13:25
  so I think I see what you're saying more. The
• 1:13:28
  only thing I'm really after is like the trap that
• 1:13:32
  I've fallen into is seen seeing myself and seeing my
• 1:13:36
  body as could be better because look at how other
• 1:13:41
  people are better, And that's what I don't want.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Because what I do want is that.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I could die more to myself and this is the
• 1:13:49
  route that I'll do it, and these people.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Model a way to do that.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: But it's about the death of yourself to get down
• 1:13:58
  to the root of who you are opposed to. I
• 1:14:00
  will add on to myselves things so I feel more
• 1:14:04
  secure in the existential crushing weight of life's harsh reality.
• 1:14:08
  That's the only thing that I'm like that was really
• 1:14:11
  what I was pushing for. So that's why I think
• 1:14:13
  we do totally agree. I just wanted to be more
• 1:14:15
  specific about the words. So that when people are thinking
• 1:14:18
  about it, it's not when I'm thinking about it. It's
• 1:14:20
  not like, Okay, once I achieve, or I need to
• 1:14:23
  go out and achieve, or I need to be perfect.
• 1:14:25
  It's more of I need to let more things go.
• 1:14:28
  But what that looks like will require action, which may
• 1:14:30
  involve going out and doing an action that could be
• 1:14:34
  confused for trying to add on more technology.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay, so I don't.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: I need to get better about saying the right words,
• 1:14:43
  because like I one hundred percent agree with that, and
• 1:14:45
  I think if I was the only person, I think
• 1:14:50
  this is kind of what I was getting out earlier
• 1:14:52
  with like getting to a certain point where you feel
• 1:14:54
  more comfortable and stuff. Not in the sense of feeling
• 1:14:57
  more comfortable in relation to other people, but if I
• 1:14:59
  was the only person in the entire.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: World, there's still you still want.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: To push yourself to be the best, like we keep
• 1:15:09
  on talking about, like be the best version of you
• 1:15:11
  that you can be.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: So it's not.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: I think, actually the real growth comes when you are
• 1:15:17
  able to separate that from growing because of other people,
• 1:15:21
  Because if you're doing it just to be if you
• 1:15:23
  see David Goggins and you're like I want to be
• 1:15:26
  ripped because I want David Goggins to like my Instagram posts. Yeah,
• 1:15:29
  Like that's different from saying I want to get better
• 1:15:35
  because if I get better, that will help me to
• 1:15:38
  be the best version of myself everybody else. So I
• 1:15:42
  think the whole time, I think we've kind of been
• 1:15:44
  like tripping over words and stuff.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: I should have been like more clear about what I
• 1:15:48
  meant by that.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: But I do think that because I agree with one
• 1:15:51
  hundred percent, I think we kind of agree overall.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: We just need to be more clear than what we're saying.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: One aspect of this I think is we all agree,
• 1:16:00
  but all different people and we view things differently, And
• 1:16:03
  so an important thing to get out of this is
• 1:16:05
  that if you look into your own life, there are
• 1:16:08
  different ways of explaining and understanding things that might turn
• 1:16:11
  to you better. Maybe this aspect of complete surrender of self,
• 1:16:17
  just the complete giving up of self is the best
• 1:16:21
  way for you to think about it to grow, or
• 1:16:23
  maybe in some ways it's like maybe I do need
• 1:16:24
  to push myself and push a little more, And it's
• 1:16:26
  it's in the ways in which we interact with our
• 1:16:28
  own body that is that is individual to who we
• 1:16:30
  are interesting and so like, you guys are very different people,
• 1:16:34
  and I think that's beautiful that we saw that.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: And I realized they never actually answered your question, but yeah,
• 1:16:43
  I feel like, yeah, okay, Well else, the.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: Question was that you had asked, probably a long time ago,
• 1:16:51
  was do you love your body? And I think just
• 1:16:54
  I'll say a little bit about this on my side too,
• 1:16:58
  I think help explain the difference between people. As you
• 1:17:00
  were saying, it's like when you were younger, you looked
• 1:17:03
  in the mirrors, like I kind of hate this. I
• 1:17:05
  never really had problems with that. My insecurities light not
• 1:17:08
  within my body but in my relationships with people, and
• 1:17:11
  so in high school and whatnot, I just really didn't
• 1:17:15
  care about how I looked. And maybe it wasn't an
• 1:17:19
  unhealthy way, where it's just I just didn't care, and
• 1:17:24
  you should care about who you are. And so there's
• 1:17:27
  that aspects of different ways of looking at it. And
• 1:17:30
  then I've realized that some of this not caring was
• 1:17:34
  me hearing things like you don't want to be prideful.
• 1:17:37
  Pride is a great sin, and so I would like
• 1:17:41
  physically throw away anything that could be prideful. But you
• 1:17:47
  can be proud of stuff without being prideful. And so
• 1:17:51
  there's aspects of I didn't try to look good because
• 1:17:54
  if I tried to look good, then I felt like
• 1:17:56
  I would take pride, take pride in that, and have
• 1:18:00
  that consume me. And in different times it's been like,
• 1:18:04
  I know it's capable of consuming me. So at different
• 1:18:08
  times in my life. You know, last week you probably
• 1:18:10
  saw my hair was crazy. It's like in some aspects
• 1:18:13
  is like I don't want to try so hard to
• 1:18:15
  look nice because I feel like if I do, then
• 1:18:18
  that will be all that I am. But at the
• 1:18:21
  same time, I was not letting myself be you know,
• 1:18:26
  like if I let myself go down a hill just
• 1:18:30
  because I'm not wanting to look nice, it's still good
• 1:18:34
  to look nice.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the body is still beauty is still an
• 1:18:39
  aspect of God, and you can participate in that esthetic pleasingness,
• 1:18:44
  and you almost have a responsibility to take care and
• 1:18:46
  bring order to your own presentation and the beauty of
• 1:18:50
  the human body, just like artists do when they like
• 1:18:52
  Michelangelo and all those guys, they're showing you the beauty
• 1:18:55
  of the human body.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: So there is a.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Sort of there is an air of headed towards perfection
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  that the body represents and so and you also have
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  a personal role in that too.
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  Speaker 2: And what plays into that especially, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think for guys, is just knowing that you can face
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  physical challenges and there's like scars or growth and size
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  and all that stuff that play into that sort of
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  journey against and that fight against weakness and the desire
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  for comfort that the Christian life itself and the spiritual
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  life itself calls you to.
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  Speaker 2: To battle in the same way, but in the spiritual realm.
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  Speaker 1: And so I feel like that's probably what I wasn't
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  really thinking about as much.
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  Speaker 2: So that was good.
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  Speaker 6: That was this was conversation growing so much because all
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  of you guys are talking such amazing things and making
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  amazing like leaps of faith and leaps of understanding, and
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  like you were saying, it's like I wish I could
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  have said this better. You couldn't have said it better
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  at the time because you didn't understand it as much
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  as you didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's true, And.
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  Speaker 6: So don't like beat yourself up saying I should have
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  said it better. I should have said you couldn't have
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  said it better, because like it took this discussion and
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  this community of people to truly understand ourselves better.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really good point.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's we'll bring it back. We'll bring it
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  to a close here.
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  Speaker 4: Because so we.
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  Speaker 1: Started off with talking about the basic physical aspect of spire,
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  how we all do it, why we do it. We
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  didn't spend a lot of time on that because I
• 1:20:35
  think the point of these podcasts it's very obvious we're
• 1:20:38
  all going to have a basic stuff that we do
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  that that we exercise our physical however we do it
• 1:20:49
  personally because like we said, we're all different people. We
• 1:20:51
  are in different stages of life, facing different challenges, after
• 1:20:55
  different things, with different goals. So the best we can
• 1:20:58
  do is give you short exams for the sake of
• 1:21:00
  the podcast, obviously, the best we could do for whoever's
• 1:21:03
  listening outside of just us having our conversation, which is
• 1:21:06
  another big as part of the reason why we even
• 1:21:09
  started the podcast is to almost forced conversations. Is take
• 1:21:16
  the brief examples that we give as inspiration for your
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  own thing. But at the end of the day, the
• 1:21:21
  point of this is for if this is valuable to
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  you or in some ways of interest, is for you
• 1:21:26
  to take this Spire acronym and then apply it to
• 1:21:29
  your own life. And we're delving into each acronym and
• 1:21:32
  we're trying to share our perspective on what.
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  Speaker 2: It means and what it is, so it's not just.
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  Speaker 1: A real basic Hey do something physical and it's kind
• 1:21:43
  of up near. We kind of want to give like
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  our reasons behind it, what it means to us, sort
• 1:21:48
  of the spiritual foundation of it as well as just
• 1:21:52
  the practical stuff, which is why I think I was
• 1:21:55
  fine with and why I enjoyed getting into more of
• 1:21:58
  like the reasons behind our motivations for doing physical things,
• 1:22:02
  the way we view it, how we view it, how
• 1:22:03
  the world might view it, and how we're trying to
• 1:22:05
  learn to grow and get closer to who we really
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  are as opposed to sort of the wise that the
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  world feeds us of. You need to look perfectly sexy
• 1:22:15
  and be so strong and have muscles and do these
• 1:22:18
  hard tasks, otherwise you're just a you know, wooss and
• 1:22:21
  all of this crap that just is like it's just
• 1:22:25
  a battle between idols, and we're trying to cut through
• 1:22:28
  that keep the value of what it is to be
• 1:22:30
  a human being, a person who's striving and still have discipline,
• 1:22:34
  physical discipline, physical health, which is massively important because that
• 1:22:39
  is maintaining the vehicle that carries us through life.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: And so that's why we got into it. That's why
• 1:22:46
  we hope it was a value.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: It was definitely value to me because I loved it
• 1:22:49
  really interesting getting into Like the specifics are really important
• 1:22:53
  because we're scratching not only.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: At just like the physical stuff, but it's at the whole.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Point of what Spire is meant to do, which is
• 1:23:00
  get us closer to who we really are. And it's
• 1:23:03
  like a practical plan because we can always say, and
• 1:23:06
  of course I'm guilty of myself.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: It's like, the more.
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  Speaker 2: You open up to the love of God, the better
• 1:23:09
  your life is going to be.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: But it's really hard to do that, and it does
• 1:23:13
  require human action and it does require something to do,
• 1:23:16
  and you have to have a certain observation that you
• 1:23:18
  are here and you could be here, and there's a
• 1:23:20
  better thing here and you're reaching and striving for that,
• 1:23:23
  but you're also good here in the moment, and that's
• 1:23:26
  where God is. And it's a really tricky thing to balance.
• 1:23:30
  It's a paradoxical thing, but that's what the tension of
• 1:23:33
  life is built on that, and spire is just meant
• 1:23:36
  to be a sort of stability of like you are
• 1:23:38
  here and you are also going there.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: And there is there is purpose, you have purpose, there
• 1:23:46
  is a point.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: So let that.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a there's a point like the spire. Yeah,
• 1:23:55
  let's let that thinking that you have a purpose and
• 1:24:00
  you are accomplishing that purpose right now, and you can
• 1:24:03
  strive better, sure, but you are accomplishing some aspect of
• 1:24:06
  your purpose right now, some aspect of your goal, and
• 1:24:09
  that God is loving you. Yes, yeah, And when it
• 1:24:14
  comes to aspire. I think something that I'm coming to
• 1:24:17
  appreciate is how interconnected everything are. You notice how much
• 1:24:20
  we've talked about the spiritual side of things, the intellectual
• 1:24:23
  side of things, the relational side of things, and the
• 1:24:24
  evangelical side of things while we're focusing on the physical
• 1:24:27
  side of things. All of these are so intricate, intricately
• 1:24:30
  connected that I find it beautiful. But you can still aspect,
• 1:24:35
  get at the details of just one of them, and
• 1:24:37
  you can grow through that.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: So grow sweet, Okay, So then we'll call it there.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's fine, it's fine.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: Okay, next week we have intellectual that's right, SPI, Yeah, intellectual.
• 1:24:52
  So we'll talk about the mind and stuff. I don't
• 1:24:56
  know what we're talking about yet, but yeah, do you
• 1:24:58
  want to close this in prayer?
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, Father Son, Holy Spirit, and Jesus, thank you for
• 1:25:08
  a fun conversation.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: With good guys.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Thank you for the time here, Thanks for keeping us
• 1:25:15
  and holding us and being We hope that it had
• 1:25:20
  some sort of positive impact in the world and in
• 1:25:23
  our hearts. We pray for everybody that's listening to that
• 1:25:28
  whatever God, whatever you wanted them to see or to hear,
• 1:25:32
  that they gained it or they didn't, and whatever you
• 1:25:37
  wanted to have happened happened. And we just thank you
• 1:25:41
  for the chance to even be able to sit and
• 1:25:43
  freely talk about things that are of interest to us
• 1:25:46
  and that are important to our hearts. So bring us
• 1:25:50
  back here safely next week for the next episode, and
• 1:25:56
  help us to come to know you and to know
• 1:25:57
  ourselves all the more.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: Amen.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Amen, MH.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: Happy Thanksgiving, Happy thanks Giving. Everybody happy, up on Happy Thanksgiving.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be up on happy It's not.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: It's gonna be happy Thanksgiving on the holiday, all right, Okay?
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: M