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More Madness, Easter Candy & NFL Offseason with Ted Nguyen · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites presented by Draftings.
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Speaker 2: The Crown is yours.
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Speaker 1: We are an Action Network podcast and I have apparently
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Speaker 1: been talking too much so far in the year twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six. I'm your host, Brandon Kravitz, back at it
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Speaker 1: with partials of the crew. The first lady of the pod,
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Speaker 1: Kenja Middleton. We could not drag the Prime Minister of
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Speaker 1: Dgen Nation, Stucky out of his March Madness celebrations, A
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Speaker 1: Christmas like day for our friends Stucky. I have put
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Speaker 1: something together for the occasion, but no surprise here. I
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Speaker 1: woke up genuinely happy. Not just because it's NCAA tournament
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Speaker 1: time and this is such a fun time of the year,
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Speaker 1: but Stucky, being one of our besties and the third
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Speaker 1: leg of this pod, I just know how much this
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Speaker 1: day means to him. He left out bourbon and cookies
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Speaker 1: for the March Madness Gods. Very happy for our brother.
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Speaker 3: I am very happy for him as well.
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Speaker 4: I probably would have left them out for j Billis,
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Speaker 4: but that's just me.
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Speaker 1: So I have curated Hendra Middleton's tweets about the tournament,
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Speaker 1: some retweets, but the theme is the same. I want
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Speaker 1: to read some of these and then get your explanation.
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Speaker 2: You can just go. I'll just go one by one.
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Speaker 1: So and says shout out to all the teachers who
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Speaker 1: will let their students watch March Madness during class. I
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Speaker 1: don't remember much of what I learned, but I will
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Speaker 1: always remember the teachers who let me watch the tournament.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I will always, always always remember Missus Robinson shout
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Speaker 4: out my goat.
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Speaker 3: I feel like.
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Speaker 4: Whenever they would roll out the TV was just because
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Speaker 4: they were hungover, but it wasn't often. I feel like
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Speaker 4: there were teachers who actually cared about the tournament, so
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Speaker 4: when you had one, it was very special.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. It was people who like.
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Speaker 3: The sports schools, I feel like they cared.
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Speaker 2: Or people that well, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: In my school, my experience was more so it was
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Speaker 1: the teacher that wanted to be the fun teacher, or
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Speaker 1: one that didn't actually concern themselves with teaching anything. I
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Speaker 1: think they were just collecting a check and they would
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Speaker 1: just roll the they would roll the big TV thing
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Speaker 1: out there. It was a marketing class, I think it was.
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Speaker 1: I don't remember a single thing that I learned, but
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Speaker 1: I remember watching the Tyson Holyfield fight in a marketing
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Speaker 1: class and a lot of march madness for sure.
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Speaker 2: All right, next one, I was.
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Speaker 3: Gonna say something traumatizing, but we can move on.
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Speaker 2: Is it about biting years off?
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Speaker 3: No, I was gonna say, I don't know. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I know why I thought of this.
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Speaker 4: But one of my dad's favorite stories to tell me
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Speaker 4: when I was a kid was that he remembers going
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Speaker 4: outside because we live he grew up in Jacksonville, obviously,
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Speaker 4: and it's so close to like some of the NASA
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Speaker 4: stuff that he remembers, like his teacher pulling him outside
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Speaker 4: and then watching the challenger blow up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll stick with you.
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Speaker 1: This one here says before we do this, a not
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Speaker 1: so friendly a reminder that you get one bracket and
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Speaker 1: one bracket only nobody gives a fuck about how your
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Speaker 1: thirteenth bracket is doing.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I stand on that.
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Speaker 4: I got so many, like twenty seven bracket haters in
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Speaker 4: my comments calling me the bracket police. But obviously you're
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Speaker 4: the more brackets you build, the more accurate one of
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Speaker 4: them is going to be.
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Speaker 3: And it's like, if you build that many, I don't.
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Speaker 4: Care how your best bracket is doing because you didn't
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Speaker 4: stand on business and I don't respect people who don't
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Speaker 4: stand on business.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you one thousand percent. I think you
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Speaker 1: can build as many brackets as you want, but you
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Speaker 1: can only talk about one.
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Speaker 2: There's just that one that you marry yourself to.
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Speaker 1: I'm still catching shit, by the way, you're talking about
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Speaker 1: my bracket mistresses off the beaten path.
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Speaker 2: Slightly because it is the time of the year.
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Speaker 1: Uh, Eastern candy is the most elite candy holiday. I
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Speaker 1: will die on this. Hell, what are you talking about?
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Speaker 1: How do you I'm going to disrespect Halloween like.
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Speaker 4: This because Halloween doesn't have like anything really special. You
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Speaker 4: can't tell me that the eases reesar Reese's Easter eggs
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Speaker 4: don't taste better than the normal ones. We get the
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Speaker 4: Cadbury eggs. You get the starbars jelly beans, which I'm
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Speaker 4: allergic to now. And it is the biggest downfall of
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Speaker 4: my entire life.
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Speaker 2: I just want so much.
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Speaker 1: I just want you to know that if you say
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Speaker 1: the word peep, I will end the podcast.
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Speaker 3: No, I hate peeps.
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Speaker 4: They're disgusting, disgusting, but I will say I know that
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Speaker 4: I think about it, would would consider a peep's.
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Speaker 1: Some moore and it would be a colorful s'more on
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Speaker 1: top of that. But I do think that peeps perhaps
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Speaker 1: are a gift from the hells.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: This one was a meme that you shared how it
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Speaker 1: feels to post your bracket on the internet. I showed
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Speaker 1: you my trash. Please respond with a nice cute picture
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Speaker 1: of a possum. That is how it feels like it
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Speaker 1: almost feels for us that are in the sports media,
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Speaker 1: especially like there's this obligatory need to share your bracket,
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Speaker 1: like it's almost like a requirement of the jet and
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Speaker 1: it's it doesn't even matter if you're a college basketball person.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I think it's more important to share it
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Speaker 1: if you're not, just so people can see what those
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Speaker 1: who swoop in like Spider Man chasing a mugger, like
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Speaker 1: what we all think this time of year.
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Speaker 4: I had a top one hundred bracket in twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 4: and I'll never.
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Speaker 3: Ride that high high again. Your kid has McNeese, right, yees?
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Speaker 2: So I actually I tweeted it wrong.
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Speaker 1: I had to think, thank you for to Elon for
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Speaker 1: allowing us to edit these things now because I.
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Speaker 2: Originally wrote Furman.
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Speaker 1: He does have Furman winning in Round one against Yukon
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Speaker 1: but then had usf dusting Furman in the next round
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Speaker 1: or no, that was actually into the sweet sixteam.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's got firm been winning a couple that's why.
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Speaker 3: What was the logic here? Was there any so?
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Speaker 2: Mind you, he's six.
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Speaker 1: This is the first time that we have filled out
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Speaker 1: a bracket, uh, and I, and he was very excited
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Speaker 1: to do So. The issue is is that keeping a
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Speaker 1: six year old's attention to fill out filling out a
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Speaker 1: bracket is time consuming and it's overwhelming. And I got
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Speaker 1: through about four matchups before he started to walk away
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Speaker 1: and was completely disinterested. But I know that he's going
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Speaker 1: to want to keep track of this, so I tried
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Speaker 1: to bring him back, bring him back to center here.
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Speaker 1: And so I told him, is he just started picking
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Speaker 1: the higher nut where the lower numbers. I said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: one is really good, sixteen is really bad. So he
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Speaker 1: just started picking the better team. I said, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: want to pick some upsets in there, because not all
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Speaker 1: the better team isn't always going to win. So he said, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick six bad teams. Okay, So then he
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Speaker 1: just went in a row the next six higher seeded
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Speaker 1: teams or lower seated teams. I always fucked that up.
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Speaker 1: He just picked them straight down the board, so it
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Speaker 1: went like North Dakota State Furman McNeice, Troy penn All
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Speaker 1: pushed through. So the left side of his bracket is
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Speaker 1: gonna be a disaster. Now, the right side much more chalky.
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Speaker 1: But what we wound up with was a final four
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Speaker 1: of South Florida McNeice, BYU and Texas Tech. I think
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Speaker 1: he might be the only person on the planet with
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Speaker 1: that final four.
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Speaker 2: We shall see. Way said, it's a crab shoot.
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Speaker 4: The way you described it reminds me of Monsters, Inc.
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Speaker 4: When Sully is like throwing pieces of cheerios at Boo
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Speaker 4: to get her to do stuff.
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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly that. I was like, all right, let's
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Speaker 1: just let's just focus. And this would have been such
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Speaker 1: good social media content. At least you would think that
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Speaker 1: putting a bracket together with a six year old, my
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Speaker 1: kid's cute. Those six year olds, are it? You would
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Speaker 1: think that this would make for really good video content.
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Speaker 2: Not so much.
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Speaker 1: This would have been a disaster. It was more of
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Speaker 1: a struggle than it was adorable. So this one's just
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Speaker 1: gonna live in my overy bank.
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Speaker 4: You know, usually I tweeted this as well. The girlfriends
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Speaker 4: who make a bracket against our boyfriend and pick based
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Speaker 4: off of colors and mascots usually kick ass.
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Speaker 2: So who's to.
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Speaker 1: Say, yeah, exactly, My wife kicks my ass all the time.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we have a great guess to get too.
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Speaker 1: of the Just win podcast, as you guess a Raiders pod.
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Speaker 1: Excited to chop it up, Ted, I love your work,
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Speaker 1: welcome to the show.
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Speaker 5: Appreciate it, and excited to talk.
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Speaker 1: So let's start in Vegas. The Raiders have had quite
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Speaker 1: the busy offseason, potentially the most significant move still to
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Speaker 1: come in the NFL Draft. What have you thought so
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Speaker 1: far about their bevy of moves to improve around what
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Speaker 1: we assume to be a Fernando Mendoza led team.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think for the first time in
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Speaker 6: a long time, I really feel positively about the direction
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Speaker 6: the Raiders are going, starting with hiring Clint Kubiak, who
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Speaker 6: I thought was probably the second best candidate. I really
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Speaker 6: like Jesse Minter, but every time the Raiders hired a
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Speaker 6: head coach you really had to like Squint to try
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Speaker 6: to be positive about it because it was this guys
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Speaker 6: that not a lot of people wanted. So I think
10:19
Speaker 6: for the first time, you know, being able to hire
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Speaker 6: the hottest offensive play caller in the cycle was big.
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Speaker 6: They had a ton of money they had to spend
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Speaker 6: because that they had cap space, and they had to
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Speaker 6: reach a certain spending floor just because they didn't have
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Speaker 6: enough good players to pay so they had to hit
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Speaker 6: that spending floor. I thought they did a good job
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Speaker 6: of adding players that they needed, like Tyler Lindenbaum, even
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Speaker 6: though he reset it, that reset the center market by
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Speaker 6: a large Martin margin. I look at him more as
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Speaker 6: just like an interior, a ligneman and the highest paid guard.
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Speaker 6: He is getting paid twenty four mil per year. He's
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Speaker 6: getting paid twenty seven mil per year. So you look
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Speaker 6: at it like that. It's not as big of a
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Speaker 6: jump as people are making out to be. And I
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Speaker 6: think just having that center and somebody to set protections
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Speaker 6: and things like that is going to do wonders.
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Speaker 5: For Fernando Mendoza.
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Speaker 6: They added a couple pieces on defense like quick Kay Walker,
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Speaker 6: Nikobe Dean, So I don't know if this is a
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Speaker 6: I don't think this is a playoff team all of
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Speaker 6: a sudden, But I like that they added young players
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Speaker 6: and a very solid foundation, and they're ready for Fernando
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Speaker 6: Mendoza to come in. I think they have the tools
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Speaker 6: to support him.
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Speaker 4: The biggest story of the offseason has obviously been this.
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Speaker 3: Max Crosby situation.
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Speaker 4: What were what was your initial reaction and how do
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Speaker 4: you feel about it? Since everything has kind of cooled
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Speaker 4: down and you've had some time to think about it.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think the Raiders never wanted to
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Speaker 6: trade Max Crosby. I think Crosby made his request to
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Speaker 6: get traded privately. They kept it under wraps. They didn't
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Speaker 6: he didn't come out and say I wanted to get traded,
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Speaker 6: but it was something that the Raiders never really wants
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Speaker 6: to do, and they were only going to do it
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Speaker 6: they got two first round draft picks. The Baltimore Ravens
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Speaker 6: were the first team to offer two first round picks.
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Speaker 6: That trade got agreed on, and then some weird things
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Speaker 6: happen and like for some reason, stuff like this only happens.
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Speaker 5: To the Raiders.
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Speaker 6: You know, I've never seen a trade of this magnitude
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Speaker 6: get rescinded, and it just felt like the Ravens had
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Speaker 6: cold feet. Max Crosby talked about it on his podcast.
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Speaker 6: How when he got there, they flew h him two
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Speaker 6: hours away on a normal plane, not a private jet,
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Speaker 6: and he had to drive two hours to get to Baltimore.
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Speaker 6: The GM didn't stay hi to him for five hours.
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Speaker 6: He had a cold introduction to Jesse Minter, and then
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Speaker 6: all of a sudden they told him they weren't going
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Speaker 6: to do the trade, so it just felt like they
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Speaker 6: got cold feet knowing that they get Trey Hendrickson and
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Speaker 6: then not having to trade those two first round picks away.
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Speaker 5: But for the Raiders, it's not a bad thing.
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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, you get one of the best
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Speaker 6: edge rushers in the league to add to all the
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Speaker 6: new pieces you add on defense. And I think Crosby
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Speaker 6: is just a fantastic leader for a rebuild because he's
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Speaker 6: worked so hard. He sets that culture floor every single day.
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Speaker 1: It seems like Raiders fans went through the Sorry Kendra,
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Speaker 1: all the stages of grief throughout that that Max Crosby deal,
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Speaker 1: Like they were sad to see him go, and they
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Speaker 1: were excited about the picks, and then then the picks
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Speaker 1: get taken away. Where are Raider fans on all of this,
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Speaker 1: because this is a weird part in the rebuild. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's exciting to have Max Crosby still in the roster,
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Speaker 1: but him leaving was gonna help expedite.
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Speaker 2: What they're trying to do in the future.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.
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Speaker 6: I mean they originally they were in denial after that
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Speaker 6: Jake Laser report during the Super Bowl that Crosby was
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Speaker 6: done with the Raiders, and then and then they learned
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Speaker 6: that they could get two first round picks, so they
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Speaker 6: get excited about it. And then you know, it just
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Speaker 6: felt like this was the right move to make at
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Speaker 6: that time, and then that huge news drop just happened
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Speaker 6: in the middle. I think it was a Thursday where
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Speaker 6: the trade got rescinded and then Crosby comes back, and
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Speaker 6: then you're still not sure does Crosby still get traded
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Speaker 6: after this happened. But then Crosby makes the announcement that
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Speaker 6: he's all in with the Raiders, and I think most fans.
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Speaker 5: Are are good with it.
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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, he's an iconic Raider, and to
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Speaker 6: have him in the rebuild it is not It's not
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Speaker 6: a bad.
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Speaker 5: Thing for sure.
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Speaker 3: Do you think he's definitely going to be a Raider
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Speaker 3: next season?
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Speaker 6: I would say you should never say never, but it
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Speaker 6: seems like it's head in that direction. I think if
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Speaker 6: a team comes out and offers the Raiders two first
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Speaker 6: round picks because they're really desperate for an edge rusher,
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Speaker 6: I think it'd be tempting for them to pull the trigger.
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Speaker 6: But just based on the comments from spy Tech and Kubiak,
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Speaker 6: it seems like they want him to be a part
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Speaker 6: of this rebuild.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the number one overall pick,
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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza. What have you learned about him as you've
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Speaker 1: dissected the film? This is your specialty, his elite traits,
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Speaker 1: the things that are perhaps things that make him someone
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Speaker 1: that in a more loaded class, he wouldn't be the
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Speaker 1: number one overall pick.
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Speaker 2: What do you see when you look at the Mendoza film.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, when I broke down the Mendoza film, I saw
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Speaker 6: a different quarterback that I thought I was going to see.
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Speaker 6: To me, he's even more traitsy than I thought. You know,
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Speaker 6: I think when you first hear about Mendoza, you think
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Speaker 6: he's just like this really cerebral quarterback that's pro ready.
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Speaker 6: But when you watch him, he has a much stronger
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Speaker 6: arm than people think. It's not like in that Josh
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Speaker 6: Allen tier, but he's a tier right below it. He
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Speaker 6: can make all the throws. He's an excellent deep ball
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Speaker 6: throw over, extremely accurate. But I think there is some
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Speaker 6: development that he needs to needs to make in the league.
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Speaker 6: Part of the reason why, you know, I think there's
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Speaker 6: some hesitation. There's some throws that you want to see
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Speaker 6: him rip that he just didn't quite do at Indiana
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Speaker 6: in the beginning of the season, but he.
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Speaker 5: Did get much better as a season progressed.
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Speaker 6: And I did talk to his quarterback coach, Tyson Chandler Whitmer,
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Speaker 6: who is now the Buccaneers quarterbacks coach, but he said,
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Speaker 6: you know, he was learning a new offense going from
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Speaker 6: cal to Indiana. They were reteaching him footwork, reteaching him
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Speaker 6: how to replays. So it took a little bit of
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Speaker 6: time and you could see that progression happen during the
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Speaker 6: season in but there's still times that we could to
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Speaker 6: hold onto the ball. So to me, I think Mendoza
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Speaker 6: is a more trait cy quarterback than people give him
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Speaker 6: credit for. But he has a little bit development to go.
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Speaker 6: But I do think he's worthy of a number one pick.
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Speaker 6: I think if he was in last year's draft, he
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Speaker 6: would be one A, one B with cam Ward, depending
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Speaker 6: on what scheme you want to run. If he was
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Speaker 6: in a year before that, with Caleb Williams and those guys,
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Speaker 6: I would say he would be number four after Caleb Williams,
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Speaker 6: Drake May and Jaden Daniels. But I still think he's
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Speaker 6: a strong prospect, and the Raiders will be glad to
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Speaker 6: be able to draft number one.
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Speaker 1: Our main role on this show is to deliver Betts
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Speaker 1: every single week of the NFL season. Prior to the
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Speaker 1: season starting looking at the win totals market, so we're
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Speaker 1: very focused on what's next and not Bernando Mendoza being
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Speaker 1: good three years from now doesn't really do our listeners
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Speaker 1: any good. Do you think that he can be a
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Speaker 1: rock solid quarterback year one based on the infrastructure that
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Speaker 1: they have around him and what you have seen when
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Speaker 1: you've watched his film. I know it's a tough question
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Speaker 1: to answer because they're so volatile with these rookies, but
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Speaker 1: do you see somebody that can step in and have
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Speaker 1: success right away?
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Speaker 6: Actually, Tom Brady has talked a ton about believing that
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Speaker 6: a rookie quarterback should sit in his first year, and
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Speaker 6: then John Spytek at the Combine said the same thing.
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Speaker 6: So I really don't think that he's going to play
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Speaker 6: right away. But teams say this all the time and
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Speaker 6: end up starting that number one pick eventually. But I
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Speaker 6: do believe that they are going to be intentional in
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Speaker 6: trying to get a veteran quarterback to start right off
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Speaker 6: the bat and maybe at some point Mendoza takes over,
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Speaker 6: maybe after the bye week, But I think if they
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Speaker 6: could have it their way, they would have him sit
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Speaker 6: the entire his entire rookie year, and I think Kirk
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Speaker 6: Cousins or Joe Flacco would be that bridge quarterback. But
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised if Mendoza doesn't play until late
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Speaker 6: in the year.
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Speaker 4: I want to piggyback off of the upcoming rookie quarterback class.
18:39
Speaker 4: What have you seen from ty Simpson's film and who
18:41
Speaker 4: do you think might be the best or most realistic
18:44
Speaker 4: fit for him?
18:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think with Ty Simpson, if you watch his
18:49
Speaker 6: first eight games, he looks like a first round quarterback.
18:52
Speaker 6: Made a lot of aggressive, really highly accurate throws playing
18:56
Speaker 6: in a pro style type of system. But they're are
19:00
Speaker 6: a couple of huge red flags. The red one red
19:03
Speaker 6: flag being he doesn't have a ton of experience, only
19:05
Speaker 6: fifteen games fifteen starts in his college career, and as
19:09
Speaker 6: we've seen, college prospects with that little experience have struggled
19:15
Speaker 6: coming into the league. And typically when you have a
19:18
Speaker 6: prospect with that little experience, they have these really high
19:21
Speaker 6: end traits that you're willing to bet on. But Ty
19:23
Speaker 6: Simpson is not that he doesn't have that elite arm.
19:26
Speaker 6: He's not a super mobile quarterback. Also, his size is
19:30
Speaker 6: a big concern too. He's six two hundred and fifteen
19:32
Speaker 6: pounds and in the last twenty years, there's only been
19:36
Speaker 6: six quarterbacks that have started over forty games at that size,
19:40
Speaker 6: and that number includes Drew brees Kyler, Murray.
19:45
Speaker 5: Bryce Young, who you know who.
19:47
Speaker 6: Size is a concern in this league still, So those
19:51
Speaker 6: are those are two big red flags. And the fact
19:53
Speaker 6: that his play really tailed off towards the end of
19:56
Speaker 6: the year was a concern as well. So see him
20:00
Speaker 6: more as a second third round pick. But I think
20:04
Speaker 6: an excellent place for him to be what would be
20:07
Speaker 6: the Cardinals. I think that offense really fits his skill set.
20:11
Speaker 6: Maybe with the Rams that they want to sit him
20:13
Speaker 6: and let him play behind Matthew Stafford and give him
20:15
Speaker 6: a chance to take over after Stafford retires.
20:18
Speaker 4: So they Kravit said, we're a gambling show, obviously, and
20:21
Speaker 4: I loved Garrett nass Meyer heading into last year that
20:23
Speaker 4: obviously didn't turn.
20:24
Speaker 3: Out so well.
20:25
Speaker 4: But with so few quarterbacks and good quarterbacks at that
20:27
Speaker 4: could you see him moving up just due to demand,
20:29
Speaker 4: kind of like Jackson Dart last year.
20:32
Speaker 5: I really liked Nesmyer too.
20:34
Speaker 6: I think this year you kind of have to just
20:36
Speaker 6: throw that out of memory banks because of the injuries.
20:39
Speaker 6: But he really reminded everybody how good he is at
20:42
Speaker 6: the Senior Bowl. He looked like, by far the best
20:44
Speaker 6: quarterback there. Showed off those traits that really got him
20:47
Speaker 6: a lot of first round buzz the year before. So
20:51
Speaker 6: I could see, you know, like I honestly would draft
20:54
Speaker 6: him over Ty Simpson.
20:56
Speaker 1: Wow.
20:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I really liked him year before.
21:01
Speaker 1: This year.
21:02
Speaker 6: You know, obviously there was injuries and there was questions
21:05
Speaker 6: when he did play that I just felt like, you know,
21:08
Speaker 6: the injuries were too much to overcome. But I like
21:11
Speaker 6: what he offers a lot. He's an aggressive thrower, you know.
21:14
Speaker 6: He again he doesn't have an elite arm, but I
21:16
Speaker 6: think he has a pretty good arm.
21:18
Speaker 5: So I like Nusamar.
21:22
Speaker 1: Is there anybody else that you have fallen in love
21:25
Speaker 1: with the Carson Becks of the world. Is there somebody
21:28
Speaker 1: else that you would trumpet like you are with nuss Meyer.
21:33
Speaker 6: You know, I haven't dug that far into the other
21:36
Speaker 6: quarterbacks yet. I've only seen my top three so far,
21:40
Speaker 6: so I'll have to get back to you with that answer.
21:44
Speaker 1: So we we broke down the news. By the way,
21:47
Speaker 1: cash the ticket, I'm about to mention the Dolphins. The
21:51
Speaker 1: Broncos gave up a first round pick and a third
21:54
Speaker 1: round pick in order to bring in Jalen Waddle. The
21:56
Speaker 1: Dolphins continue their reb old on the fly. Let's talk
22:02
Speaker 1: about this from a Broncos angle. How good of a
22:04
Speaker 1: scheme fit is this for Sean Payton? What did you
22:06
Speaker 1: think of the move?
22:08
Speaker 5: I loved it.
22:08
Speaker 6: For the Broncos, I feel like this this is time
22:11
Speaker 6: to go all in. Bo Nicks showed signs of becoming
22:15
Speaker 6: that franchise quarterback, so this is a great time to
22:18
Speaker 6: get him another receiver. Corton Sutton is that big X
22:21
Speaker 6: receiver that is. I guess it's arguable arguable whether he's
22:28
Speaker 6: a true number one or not, but I feel like
22:30
Speaker 6: pairing up with Waddell, who's a deep threat, who's a
22:33
Speaker 6: great yak guy, really compliments his game really well and
22:38
Speaker 6: he runs a lot of the same routes that Sean
22:40
Speaker 6: Payton's likes to call. So I love this fit and
22:43
Speaker 6: I think it really takes the Broncos to another level.
22:46
Speaker 5: I think their off season was.
22:47
Speaker 6: A little bit disappointing up to this point, but when
22:50
Speaker 6: you add in this big swing, I think it really
22:54
Speaker 6: puts them into championship contention.
22:57
Speaker 4: I cover the Patriots up here in Boston, and the A. J.
23:00
Speaker 4: Brown love up here has spread like wildfire. Do you
23:03
Speaker 4: think that the Wattle trade kind of changed the market
23:05
Speaker 4: a bit of what the expectation should be to get
23:07
Speaker 4: AJ Brown on a team.
23:10
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that it definitely reinforced what the
23:15
Speaker 6: Eagles wanted. I think the Eagles wanted a first round
23:17
Speaker 6: and second round pick for Jalen Wattle, and maybe some
23:22
Speaker 6: teams were trying to negotiate around that.
23:25
Speaker 5: But once Wattle.
23:26
Speaker 6: Went for a first and a third, I think the Eagles,
23:30
Speaker 6: you know, it justified the Eagles asking price even more.
23:33
Speaker 6: Like you know, if Wattle went for that, A J.
23:35
Speaker 6: Brown to me is a tier above Wattle, you know.
23:39
Speaker 6: I think for the Patriots, I think it makes sense
23:43
Speaker 6: for them to get this type of move. I mean,
23:45
Speaker 6: they went to the Super Bowl last year in Drake
23:49
Speaker 6: May's second year as a pro, and if you and
23:52
Speaker 6: he really didn't have a really elite weapon on offense
23:55
Speaker 6: to help him out and when you add aj Brown
23:57
Speaker 6: to this offense, or if they add a J Brown offense,
24:01
Speaker 6: it just takes them to another level.
24:03
Speaker 1: We've had some debate as to whether or not this
24:05
Speaker 1: Mike Evans move for the San Francisco forty nine ers
24:08
Speaker 1: was a positive one for them.
24:10
Speaker 2: He's a big name.
24:11
Speaker 1: He's put together a Hall of Fame level career, but
24:14
Speaker 1: we finally saw him not get to that one thousand
24:16
Speaker 1: yard mark due to injuries. Injuries are always the thing
24:20
Speaker 1: that plagues the San Francisco forty nine ers, whether that's
24:23
Speaker 1: just happenstance or power plant, whatever it is, that is
24:27
Speaker 1: a problem. He's aging, but he's still great when he's
24:30
Speaker 1: at his best. Do you like this move for him
24:33
Speaker 1: to end his career somewhere else and for the San
24:35
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers, Yeah.
24:38
Speaker 5: I mean, on paper, I love this move.
24:41
Speaker 6: The Niners in the last three years faced the highest
24:44
Speaker 6: percentage of loaded boxes in the league because that run
24:48
Speaker 6: games of dangerous.
24:49
Speaker 5: They took a bit of a step.
24:50
Speaker 6: Back last year, but Kyle Shanahan won of the best
24:54
Speaker 6: run game schemers in the league. Chrisian McCaffrey still a
24:57
Speaker 6: very dangerous running back, so teams want to stop them,
25:00
Speaker 6: and when you add Mike Evans to this, you can't
25:03
Speaker 6: load the box as much as you want to against
25:05
Speaker 6: the Niners because he's still very good at punishing one
25:08
Speaker 6: on one coverage. To me, this is similar to what
25:12
Speaker 6: DeVante Adams did for the Rams last year. You know
25:15
Speaker 6: where you can't play him one on one or else
25:17
Speaker 6: you get burned. I think he adds a lot to
25:20
Speaker 6: their red zone offense, and I think they struggled at
25:23
Speaker 6: times in a red zone last year, so I like
25:26
Speaker 6: this move. But yeah, you're right, injuries are concerned. That
25:30
Speaker 6: hamstring has always kind of bothered him, so we will
25:33
Speaker 6: see if you can stay in the field. But I
25:35
Speaker 6: think with the Niners you could say that about a
25:37
Speaker 6: lot of their players.
25:38
Speaker 5: So I think if things.
25:39
Speaker 6: All break in the right direction, then they could be
25:42
Speaker 6: a dangerous team.
25:43
Speaker 5: But I like this move on paper.
25:46
Speaker 4: Speaking of this kind of wide receiver craziness, what was
25:49
Speaker 4: your reaction to the Alec piercedel.
25:52
Speaker 5: It's a lot of money.
25:53
Speaker 6: I mean I thought it was going to be somewhere
25:57
Speaker 6: near thirty million dollars, but still when you see that
25:59
Speaker 6: deal get done, it is a lot of money for
26:02
Speaker 6: a receiver that.
26:05
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say.
26:06
Speaker 6: He's a one trick pony, but he is. His ability
26:11
Speaker 6: to get deep is the main way he wins.
26:14
Speaker 5: But he did at a high level. He hit a
26:16
Speaker 5: thousand yard season.
26:17
Speaker 6: A lot of teams are trying to bid for him,
26:20
Speaker 6: but I do think there's another level to his game
26:22
Speaker 6: that he can take. And obviously the Colts field that
26:25
Speaker 6: way too. They're betting on him growing into a better
26:28
Speaker 6: all around receiver. But he was in demand and he
26:32
Speaker 6: you know, he's able to stay home, so is.
26:34
Speaker 2: A win win.
26:36
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray went to the land where quarterback careers are
26:40
Speaker 1: rebuilt as Kevin O'Connell. It's either Sean McVay or it's KOC.
26:44
Speaker 1: What'd you think of the move for Kyler Murray? Do
26:46
Speaker 1: you think this can work? And how happy is Justin
26:49
Speaker 1: Jefferson today that he doesn't have to catch passes from
26:51
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy.
26:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I love this move.
26:55
Speaker 6: I think Justin Jefferson is probably a static I think
26:58
Speaker 6: last year he was a team player, you know, kept
27:01
Speaker 6: his head down, didn't complain about all the bad passes
27:05
Speaker 6: that were being thrown his way or passes that weren't
27:07
Speaker 6: being thrown his way. But I think this is one
27:11
Speaker 6: of the most impactful signings of this whole offseason. I
27:14
Speaker 6: mean to get Kyler Murray for the veteran minimum into
27:18
Speaker 6: a team that, you know, almost made the playoffs with
27:21
Speaker 6: one of the worst quarterbacks in the league last season,
27:25
Speaker 6: and it's kind of confused.
27:27
Speaker 5: I get Kyler.
27:28
Speaker 6: Murray didn't live up to the number one pick expectations,
27:33
Speaker 6: but people talk about him like he sucks, but like
27:37
Speaker 6: he's at least been above average quarterback for a long time,
27:41
Speaker 6: and you know, he can make all the throws. And
27:44
Speaker 6: when you watch this film, a lot of the plays
27:47
Speaker 6: that he's good at executing in the past game are
27:50
Speaker 6: a lot of the plays that Kevin O'Connell likes to call.
27:52
Speaker 6: And yeah, he scrambles a lot more than any quarterback
27:55
Speaker 6: Cam O'Connell has had, but he.
27:57
Speaker 5: Throws a great deep ball. He could hit those.
28:00
Speaker 6: Big crossing routes. He's one of the best corner route
28:04
Speaker 6: the rowers in the league. And O'Connell loves to throw
28:07
Speaker 6: those smash concepts.
28:08
Speaker 5: So I see this.
28:09
Speaker 6: As a really nice fit, and you know, I think
28:12
Speaker 6: it's one of the more impactful signings of the entire offseason.
28:17
Speaker 4: I have a two part question for you. So, as
28:20
Speaker 4: Kravitz mentioned, he's a Dolphins fan. I was born and
28:22
Speaker 4: raised in Jacksonville, Florida, so I'm a diehard Jags fan.
28:25
Speaker 4: There's been some rumors going around that Devon a change
28:27
Speaker 4: might be on the market, especially in a trade with Jacksonville.
28:30
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that?
28:31
Speaker 4: And additionally, the ETN coming out saying the a Chan thing,
28:35
Speaker 4: so the Chan a Chan replacement. Do you think that
28:38
Speaker 4: it should be on the player to kind of correct
28:41
Speaker 4: the media with their names or do you think that
28:44
Speaker 4: the media should have more responsibility in that. I know
28:46
Speaker 4: that that's a crazy two part question, but they go
28:48
Speaker 4: hand in hand with the Age Tan potential replacement.
28:53
Speaker 5: Yeah.
28:54
Speaker 6: I'm actually terrible with names, and I'll like look up
28:58
Speaker 6: a name and try to get the pronunciation right before
29:00
Speaker 6: like doing a podcast or things like that, but I'll
29:03
Speaker 6: inevitably mess up. So I would say that there is
29:07
Speaker 6: responsiblit from the media to get it right. And I'm like,
29:11
Speaker 6: you know, that's one of my huge sticking points that
29:13
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get better at. But there are some
29:17
Speaker 6: names that you just won't know how to pronounce correctly
29:20
Speaker 6: unless the player comes out and lets you know. So
29:23
Speaker 6: I think for players that have those type of names,
29:27
Speaker 6: they should go out and let everybody know how to
29:30
Speaker 6: pronounce their name so people don't mispronounce a name for
29:33
Speaker 6: you know, three four years straight until they finally get
29:35
Speaker 6: it correct.
29:38
Speaker 2: Is we need to know this information when you're a rookie.
29:41
Speaker 1: I don't think you can change the pronounces exactly of
29:43
Speaker 1: your name after your rookie season.
29:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, and and my name actually, you know, people get
29:48
Speaker 6: get it wrong a lot.
29:49
Speaker 5: People think it's no when, but it's actually pronounced when.
29:52
Speaker 6: But yeah, you know, people think I should rename my
29:57
Speaker 6: podcast it just Win Podcasts, just so people could get
30:01
Speaker 6: that pronunciation down.
30:02
Speaker 5: It's kind of clever.
30:03
Speaker 6: But you know, I think there's been just too much
30:05
Speaker 6: branding at this point. But yeah, back to a Chan
30:08
Speaker 6: to Jacksonville. I mean, if they get that trade done,
30:11
Speaker 6: I mean that's huge. I think Tuton has some potential
30:17
Speaker 6: and I liked him a lot last year. Explosive running back,
30:20
Speaker 6: but I mean a chance is like he's one of
30:23
Speaker 6: the best in the league. Adds a whole another dynamic
30:26
Speaker 6: to that to that running game, and he's also a
30:29
Speaker 6: great receiver. And I love what Liam Cohen does as
30:33
Speaker 6: the offensive coordinator, and he would be extremely productive in
30:37
Speaker 6: that system. But I don't know what you would give
30:40
Speaker 6: up to him, give up for him. I mean, I
30:42
Speaker 6: would think the Dolphins would want a first round pick,
30:46
Speaker 6: but that's expensive aspect.
30:48
Speaker 3: Running back when they just gave up Etn.
30:51
Speaker 6: For But but maybe I don't know, maybe they could
30:55
Speaker 6: offer BTJ in a trade and make a package, create
30:59
Speaker 6: a package that way.
31:00
Speaker 4: Not Conj's not going anywhere.
31:04
Speaker 2: I kind of like this. I like where Ted's going
31:06
Speaker 2: with this.
31:07
Speaker 3: J's not going anywhere.
31:09
Speaker 6: I heard from a good source that Jacksonville did offer
31:12
Speaker 6: BTGA in a package for Max Crosby.
31:15
Speaker 4: Though I did hear that as well, and that's the
31:17
Speaker 4: only thing that I'm okay with. But basically what I've
31:21
Speaker 4: heard is just at this point, unless it's an offer
31:24
Speaker 4: that really blows them away because of the way he
31:27
Speaker 4: finished out the second half of the season, there's there's
31:30
Speaker 4: it's really not gonna happen.
31:31
Speaker 3: But what do I know. I don't know about fuck.
31:33
Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, Ted, let's finish where we started. The Max
31:38
Speaker 1: Crosby deal that went sideways. He's back with the Raiders. Well,
31:42
Speaker 1: the Ravens still got an elite edge rusher in Trey Hendrickson.
31:46
Speaker 1: Do you think they made out like bandits in this
31:49
Speaker 1: where they didn't need to give out up those that
31:52
Speaker 1: draft capital and still got an elite edge rusher. Do
31:55
Speaker 1: you see enough of a difference between Crosby and Hendrickson
31:59
Speaker 1: where if the Ravens goals to win a Super Bowl
32:02
Speaker 1: and they lost the optimal potential to do that by
32:05
Speaker 1: not having the better player, how do you see that
32:07
Speaker 1: the differentiation between Crosby and Hendrickson with the picks included.
32:12
Speaker 6: Of course, Yeah, The funny thing is they gave Hendrickson
32:15
Speaker 6: the exact same contract that Max Crosby got, which adds
32:19
Speaker 6: a little smoke to that fire too. But Trey Hendrickson
32:22
Speaker 6: is a better pure pass rusher than Max Crosby, but
32:28
Speaker 6: he is a legitimately bad run defender, whereas Max Crosby
32:33
Speaker 6: is one of the best run defending edges in the league.
32:36
Speaker 6: And to run that jesse Mentor system where you're gonna
32:39
Speaker 6: play a ton of too high, you need defensive linemen
32:43
Speaker 6: that could defend the run because you're not putting that
32:46
Speaker 6: extra safety in the box. And that's why Max Crosby
32:48
Speaker 6: was so valuable to mentor. But since you're not gonna
32:51
Speaker 6: have that with Hendrickson, who is a negative in run defense,
32:56
Speaker 6: they're gonna have to find other defense of linemen that
33:01
Speaker 6: can hold up against the run, especially that second edge position.
33:05
Speaker 6: Maybe they signed Clowney who was a raven before, who
33:09
Speaker 6: is still a very good run defender, but they're going
33:11
Speaker 6: to have to find other defenders that can play that
33:14
Speaker 6: light box because Hendrickson is not that guy.
33:16
Speaker 2: High Ted Winn.
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Speaker 1: You can find all of his work at Theathletic dot
33:21
Speaker 1: com and check out the Just Win podcast.
33:25
Speaker 2: Ted, thanks so much for hanging out with us today.
33:28
Speaker 2: We appreciate it.
33:29
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having me on.
33:30
Speaker 1: Phenomenal stuff from Ted Winn. Make sure and follow all
33:34
Speaker 1: of his content. The guy is great at what he does,
33:37
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33:41
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33:42
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