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ConspirAsylum 2: Schizopharmiac · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Oh there, m H.
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  Speaker 2: Trigger warn this podcast may include explicit content that will
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  Speaker 2: take you out of your comfort zone and make you
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  Speaker 2: question reality.
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  Speaker 3: Listener's discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome back to the second installment of the
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  Speaker 4: Conspira Asylum series. This is Schitzopharmiac and I'm really excited
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  Speaker 4: for this one. I have a lot of loose ins
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  Speaker 4: to tie up from the first episode, and of course
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  Speaker 4: we have Colby joining us for the second installment.
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  Speaker 3: Colby, how are you wonderfully insane? In the membrane in
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  Speaker 3: the everywhere?
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  Speaker 4: So something that I wanted to talk about really quick
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  Speaker 4: as we're getting going is something I want I was
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  Speaker 4: gonna include in the first episode, but we ran out
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  Speaker 4: of time because we went almost three hours. Notorious Asylums?
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  Speaker 4: Did you have anything on that just that just I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna run through it just kind of quick.
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  Speaker 5: But I had some weird insane asylums that were notorious
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  Speaker 5: for reasons. One of them sounded an awful lot like
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  Speaker 5: a Mexican food restaurant. And I don't think I brought
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  Speaker 5: my notes with me from last week, so I don't
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  Speaker 5: even remember what.
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  Speaker 3: It was called.
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  Speaker 4: Was it noteworthy?
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  Speaker 5: It was just where you know, they the evidence left
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  Speaker 5: behind and the stories and the mainstream trying to pull
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  Speaker 5: cover saying that these places were you know, above board
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  Speaker 5: and it was shit going on like in American Horror
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  Speaker 5: Story season two, and you know, we'll get into some
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  Speaker 5: of those today, I imagine, But yeah, I don't remember
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  Speaker 5: what mne were.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I have a couple that you can say if
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  Speaker 4: you've heard of them or not. Had you heard of
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  Speaker 4: the Bedlom Bedlom Royal Hospital in.
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  Speaker 3: London in England sounds vaguely familiar.
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  Speaker 4: It's Europe's oldest insane asylum, founded in twelve forty seven.
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  Speaker 4: So it was one of the places that used that
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  Speaker 4: spinny chair treatment that you showed in the last episode,
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  Speaker 4: where they'd put somebody in the spinny chair and spin
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  Speaker 4: them until they threw up or shit themselves.
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  Speaker 3: Really, that's probably why it sounds familiar.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so they did that. Then there's the trans Alleghany
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  Speaker 4: Lunatic Asylum in West Virginia. This place is notorious for
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  Speaker 4: ghost hunter groups going because they say with the lobotomies
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  Speaker 4: and the poor care of the patients and all the
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  Speaker 4: deaths and the weird stuff, that it's like super haunted.
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  Speaker 4: And they even offer paranormal tours at this place. But
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  Speaker 4: the one that stuck out to me the most that's
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  Speaker 4: now closed down was Willowbrook State School is what it
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  Speaker 4: was called. And this guy, his name is Geraldo Rivera.
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  Speaker 3: But you know who he is.
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  Speaker 4: He was you know who a journalist.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the guy with the mustache. Yeah, you know
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  Speaker 3: who he is, right right? Oh, I just the way
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  Speaker 3: you said it, I thought you didn't know who he was.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm just saying for anybody who doesn't know who
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  Speaker 4: he is.
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  Speaker 5: I mean he's pretty notorious. His takes on a lot
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  Speaker 5: of the big events.
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  Speaker 4: Well, this was back in nineteen seventy two. He looked
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  Speaker 4: like he was just starting.
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  Speaker 5: Out, Yeah, the early seventies. I didn't know he was
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  Speaker 5: around that long.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. So this was back in nineteen seventy two, and
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  Speaker 4: he actually found the story about the Willow State School
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  Speaker 4: because Robert Kennedy went on the news talking about how
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  Speaker 4: awful it was and how somebody needed to do something
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  Speaker 4: and nobody ever did anything about it. And then Heraldo
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  Speaker 4: Rivera was like, somebody needs to publish a story about
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  Speaker 4: how these people are getting treated.
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  Speaker 5: And I wonder if that was the place that his
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  Speaker 5: sister went to.
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  Speaker 4: Is it?
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  Speaker 3: Where was it?
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  Speaker 6: Uh?
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  Speaker 4: New York?
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  Speaker 3: What's it called?
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  Speaker 4: Willowbrook Asylum, New York?
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  Speaker 3: I think that might be it is?
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that's how that's why he was so
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  Speaker 4: at it.
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  Speaker 5: As soon as you mentioned Robert Kennedy, my Hackles went up,
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  Speaker 5: let me verify where she went?
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  Speaker 4: Well? He went he yeah, he went on the news
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  Speaker 4: and he was like, somebody needs to do something. These
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  Speaker 4: people are getting treated like literal garbage. Yeah, the thing
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  Speaker 4: and I actually somewhere around here want to include a
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  Speaker 4: clip of Heraldo Rivera touring Willowbrooks State School because.
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  Speaker 3: It's everything let's call the State School.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's everything that you would imagine an insane asylum
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  Speaker 4: in a horror.
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  Speaker 3: Movie to be Why did they call it a.
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  Speaker 4: School Because they let people drop their kids off there
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  Speaker 4: and never come back for them. And they said that
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  Speaker 4: they were going to train them like monkeys to.
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  Speaker 7: Do like.
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  Speaker 4: Basic like self care stuff, but they never did what
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  Speaker 4: they like, how to feed themselves, how to like xyz,
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  Speaker 4: but they never did. They basically people would just drop
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  Speaker 4: their family members off and they were.
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  Speaker 3: Naked, dropped off naked, No okay, they.
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  Speaker 4: Would go back to visit them and all the inmates,
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  Speaker 4: patients whatever, anywhere from newborn to old as fuck.
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  Speaker 3: In particular.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they would be sitting around in the wards naked,
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  Speaker 4: getting force fed.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like a food in their mouths. It's like
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  Speaker 3: a zoo.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And they were shitting and pissing everywhere, throwing shit and
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  Speaker 4: piss everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: And it sounds like an exhibit right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to include a little snippet of when
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  Speaker 4: Heraldo Rivera wentz Ago visit this place.
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  Speaker 9: I visited the state institutions for the mentally retarded, and
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  Speaker 9: I think, particularly at Willowbrook, that we have a situation
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  Speaker 9: that borders on a state pit and that the children
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  Speaker 9: live and built, that many of our fellow citizens are
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  Speaker 9: suffering tremendously because lack of attention, had a lack of imagination,
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  Speaker 9: lack of adequate manpower, a very little future for the
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  Speaker 9: children or for those who are in these institutions. Both
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  Speaker 9: need a tremendous overhauling. I'm not saying that those who
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  Speaker 9: are the attendants there, are the ones that run the institution,
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  Speaker 9: are at fall. I think all of us are at Paul,
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  Speaker 9: and I think it's just it's long overdue that something
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  Speaker 9: be done about it.
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  Speaker 10: It's been more than six years since Robert Kennedy walked
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  Speaker 10: out of one of the wards here at Willowbrook and
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  Speaker 10: told newsmen of the horror he'd seen inside. He pleaded
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  Speaker 10: then for an overhaul of a system that allowed retarded
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  Speaker 10: children to live in a snake pit. But that was
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  Speaker 10: way back in nineteen sixty five, and somehow we'd all forgotten.
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  Speaker 10: I first heard of this big place with the pretty
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  Speaker 10: sounding name because of a call I received from a
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  Speaker 10: member of the Willow Brooks staff, doctor Michael Wilkins. The
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  Speaker 10: doctor told me he'd just been fired because he'd been
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  Speaker 10: urging parents with children in one of the buildings, building
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  Speaker 10: number six, to organize so they could more effectively demand
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  Speaker 10: improve conditions for their children. The doctor invited me to
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  Speaker 10: see the conditions he was talking about, so, unannounced and
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  Speaker 10: unexpected by the school administration, we toured Building number six.
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  Speaker 10: The doctor had warned me that it would be bad.
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  Speaker 7: It was horrible.
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  Speaker 10: There was one attendant for perhaps fifty severely and profoundly
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  Speaker 10: retarded children, and the children lying on the floor naked
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  Speaker 10: and smeared with their own feces. They were making a
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  Speaker 10: pitiful sound, the kind of mournful wail that it's impossible
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  Speaker 10: for me to forget.
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  Speaker 11: This is what it looked like, this is what.
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  Speaker 10: It sounded like. But how can I tell you about
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  Speaker 10: the way it smelled. It smelled of filth, it smelled
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  Speaker 10: of disease, and it smelled of death. We've just seen
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  Speaker 10: something that's probably the most horrible thing I've ever seen
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  Speaker 10: in my life.
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  Speaker 3: It's that typical of ward life.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, there are five thsy three hundred patients at Willowbrook,
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  Speaker 12: which is the largest institution for the mentally retarded in
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  Speaker 12: the world. The ones that we saw were the most
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  Speaker 12: severely and profoundly retarded. There are thousands there like that,
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  Speaker 12: not going to school, sitting on the ward all day,
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  Speaker 12: not being talked to by anyone, Only one or two
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  Speaker 12: or three people to take care of. Seventy people on
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  Speaker 12: the ward sharing the same toilet, contracting the same diseases together.
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  Speaker 12: One hundred percent of patients at Wilillbrook contract hepatitis within
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  Speaker 12: six months of being in the institution. The most patients
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  Speaker 12: at some time in their life have paracized the incidents
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  Speaker 12: of pneumonia's and is greater than any other group of
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  Speaker 12: people that I think exist in this country. Trauma is
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  Speaker 12: severe because these patients are left together on a ward
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  Speaker 12: seventy retarded people, basically unattended, fighting for a small scrap
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  Speaker 12: of paper on the floor to play with, fighting for
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  Speaker 12: the attention of the attendants who are overworked trying to
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  Speaker 12: clean them, feed them, clothe them, and if possible, pay
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  Speaker 12: little attention to them and work with them develop their intelligence.
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  Speaker 12: But what in fact happens is that they go downhill.
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  Speaker 4: If your kid had Down syndrome, if they were just
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  Speaker 4: developmentally disabled, if they were schizophrenic, if they were whatever,
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  Speaker 4: anything outside of just normal, you could take them and
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  Speaker 4: drop them off that willow broke for them to run
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  Speaker 4: around naked, sleeping, piss and shit. And it showed feeding
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  Speaker 4: time with the nurses and they would just be strapped
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  Speaker 4: to a chair with their mouth pried open and they
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  Speaker 4: would just shovel food and they'd be choking and gagging
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  Speaker 4: on it, and it looked like.
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  Speaker 3: No, wonder you didn't just give them like a tube
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  Speaker 3: down the throat.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they had one nurse for every fifty patients
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  Speaker 4: or something like that, So you can imagine how.
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  Speaker 5: The clean in the Yeah, I'm going to actually talk
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  Speaker 5: about that's how it was really similar still in the nineties.
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  Speaker 4: Even that's not I mean, one nurse for fifty patients,
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  Speaker 4: that's not enough. Yeah, And so this is where we've
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  Speaker 4: come to though, that that's in the seventies. But I mean,
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  Speaker 4: as we talked about in the first episode, like how
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  Speaker 4: did we get here, Well, these people are looked at
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  Speaker 4: as garbage people. These are the trash people. These are
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  Speaker 4: the people you just throw away and you just keep
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  Speaker 4: them alive mechanically. But there is no spiritual there is
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  Speaker 4: no I mean, they're literally treated like garbage people.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no humanity or compassion. And even when someone
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  Speaker 5: with humanity or compassion gets into the system like that
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  Speaker 5: as a job, a lot of them just burn out
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  Speaker 5: like teachers do and become peace is a shit, or
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  Speaker 5: they struggle with it.
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  Speaker 3: They become you know, nightly drinkers and they don't live
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  Speaker 3: a fulfilled life, yeah, or they quit. You know, there's
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  Speaker 3: no way that you.
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  Speaker 5: Can bring compassionate humanity into a system that's as broken
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  Speaker 5: as this one is without completely overhauling it, which we
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  Speaker 5: don't seem to even have in our list of priorities
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  Speaker 5: as far as politics goes. You know, that's that's where
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  Speaker 5: people look for big change to happen, and it's such
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  Speaker 5: a big industry that to do away with it it
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  Speaker 5: would just affect all the wrong people in the wrong ways.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And the fact that they said, like they use the
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  Speaker 4: word training, like, oh, if you drop your kid off here,
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  Speaker 4: we'll train them how to Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: The language is like how you talk about animals, the
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  Speaker 5: walking around nked, shitting and pissing wherever.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, literally treated like an I mean they animals are
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  Speaker 4: sometimes treated I was.
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  Speaker 3: Going to say, Yeah. And also prisoners.
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  Speaker 5: You talk to a lot of people who have been
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  Speaker 5: in both, and what we'll talk about next episode. A
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  Speaker 5: lot with the pop culture angle of all of this
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  Speaker 5: is in the movie and book One Flew Over the
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  Speaker 5: Cuckoo's Nest, the protagonist believes that if he feigns insanity
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  Speaker 5: that he'll be able to have a cakewalk in an
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  Speaker 5: institution somewhere, and he finds that it's worse the hard.
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  Speaker 5: Through the hard way of finding out such a thing,
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  Speaker 5: he discovers that a lot of these places are prison
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  Speaker 5: times a thousand and Yeah, we'll talk more about that
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  Speaker 5: angle of it next time.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the last asylum I wanted to talk to you about.
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  Speaker 4: I it came into my memory because of the article
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  Speaker 4: you read in the last episode about the African guy
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  Speaker 4: who came over and he said that the way that
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  Speaker 4: we view mental illness is totally fucked up and wrong,
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  Speaker 4: and that like spirits are trying to channel through these
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  Speaker 4: people because they're healers or something like that, or they
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  Speaker 4: have a message or they have So I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: read you this story really quick. I'll try to sum
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  Speaker 4: it up as quick as I can to just move
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  Speaker 4: on from this part. But it's called the Voltaira asylum
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  Speaker 4: in Tuscany, Italy, and it was built in eighteen eighty eight,
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  Speaker 4: the same year Jack the Ripper was ripped and running
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  Speaker 4: through wherever the fuck he was. That's how old it is,
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  Speaker 4: though he was in London. Well, let me tell you
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  Speaker 4: a little bit about the asylum before I get to
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  Speaker 4: the patient. So this place accommodated six thousand patients at
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  Speaker 4: a time, so it was huge, and it was like
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  Speaker 4: the Willowbrooks School. They only have like one nurse.
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  Speaker 3: For every like one hundred dec They called themselves a school.
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  Speaker 4: No, they they called themselves an asylum.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that rebranding seems totally American, right.
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  Speaker 4: So it was built on the ruins of several tombs
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  Speaker 4: and was a known sight of hangings in witchcraft, and
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  Speaker 4: they cleared all that out and then they built this
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  Speaker 4: asylum on top of this site. And the most famous
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  Speaker 4: doctor who practiced there was actually a Nazi concentration camp
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  Speaker 4: doctor who was found guilty of crimes against humanity, uh,
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  Speaker 4: doctor Shilling or something like that. And so you can
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  Speaker 4: imagine with his backstory what kind of experiments were going
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  Speaker 4: on at.
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  Speaker 5: This So was okay, wait a minute, so that would
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  Speaker 5: have been a ways into it, because you said it
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  Speaker 5: was built in eighteen eighty eight. Yeah, so this guy
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  Speaker 5: was this guy this So now we're into like after
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  Speaker 5: World War two. Yeah, okay, doctor Shilling. I want to
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  Speaker 5: keep talking. I want to just kind of look them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, go ahead. It's s h I l ll
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  Speaker 4: no C. Yeah. I think his first name was maybe Ralph.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but.
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  Speaker 3: Ralph Shilling sounds like a shoe brand.
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  Speaker 4: So there was a patient who they had, because they
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  Speaker 4: had thousands of patients, they stopped calling them by their
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  Speaker 4: name and they gave them numbers.
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  Speaker 5: And so this paper or animalistic treatment, like right tagging
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  Speaker 5: him with fucking you know, in the ear, like their cattle.
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  Speaker 3: So now do you think they tattooed him? Since he
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  Speaker 3: was a Nazi.
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  Speaker 5: Guy, he might have incorporated what's it called, uh, Walnut.
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  Speaker 4: Creek, Voltaire Asylum, Klaus Slause Shilling.
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  Speaker 5: That's fucking that's the fish American dad.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's him.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's him.
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  Speaker 3: No, do you think that's who it's supposed to be
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  Speaker 3: an American dad?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, because I always got the impression
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  Speaker 5: that that was an operation paper clip thing they transferred
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  Speaker 5: to the Nazi's brain into a goldfish.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe he's got the accent.
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  Speaker 3: Well yeah, anyway, but yeah, that's him.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It says he perpetrated infamous human experiments at Doc Cow.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, it's a dust shower. Doc Cow, I always.
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  Speaker 4: Say Doc Cow. But that's the doc on staff for
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  Speaker 4: the Voltaire Asylum.
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  Speaker 3: And I was wondering if he was a paper clip
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  Speaker 3: guy himself.
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  Speaker 4: Because no, he got tried. Do you think he got death?
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  Speaker 3: So he got tried?
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  Speaker 5: So when did he participate in the stuff at the
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  Speaker 5: asylum after the war?
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  Speaker 4: I think it was right after and then they found
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  Speaker 4: him and then they prosecuted him.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway, I just wanted to do paper clip and see
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  Speaker 5: what comes up, because that would be interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Says he wasn't a member of the Nazi birdy.
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  Speaker 4: He was in the documentary that I watched, said he
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  Speaker 4: got death.
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  Speaker 3: Could it be that he was just working with him?
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  Speaker 3: M m, well, we don't want to go down this
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  Speaker 3: rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 5: Looks like there's a lot on this guy anyway, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 5: So he goes from the war to working here to
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  Speaker 5: getting snagged and tried for war crabs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, put to death.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, fuck man, that's rare to hear if he'd been
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  Speaker 5: working over here.
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  Speaker 4: But the thing he would have lived, he's actually not
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  Speaker 4: even the highlight of this story. He's like a side note,
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  Speaker 4: but I mention it because he was doing experiments there, right.
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  Speaker 4: And so this patient who only went by nof four,
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  Speaker 4: they later found out his real name was Fernando Nanetti.
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  Speaker 3: There was something in the night.
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  Speaker 4: So this guy, it's so sad too, because this Fernando
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  Speaker 4: guy was abandoned by his mother at age seven.
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  Speaker 3: She has dropped him off at the asylum.
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  Speaker 4: Not at this one, just a random one, and he
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  Speaker 4: was institutionalized the rest of his life because he had
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  Speaker 4: nowhere else to go. He had no mental illness to
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  Speaker 4: speak of. And he was transferred to Volterra Asylum in
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  Speaker 4: nineteen fifty eight as an adult, and after he got
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  Speaker 4: transferred to Volterra, his behavior drastically changed into what some
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  Speaker 4: of the nurses referred to as supernatural. He lost his
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  Speaker 4: ability to speak, and he began using his belt to
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  Speaker 4: carve words, symbols, and drawings into the walls of the
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  Speaker 4: asylum courtyard, and over the course of ten years, he
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  Speaker 4: eventually ended up covering the span of two football fields
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  Speaker 4: with these cars. And in these carvings he predicted the
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  Speaker 4: invention of the cell phone as well as the moon landing.
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  Speaker 4: And he also carved intricate details of TVs and complex
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: electrical systems for like computer software into the walls of
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: this asylum.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: So they were doing something with this kid.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Well, he was an adult when he got trans transfer.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: I was going to ask if you knew because you
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: said nineteen fifty eight. I don't know if you said
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: the year when his mom dropped him off when he
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: was seven.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: He was seven when he got drped.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: No, so he's an adult and he's writing it's it's
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: almost like a but he would you could make like
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: a series.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: About this guy, like stranger things type shit.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but the nurses said when he got there he
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: was completely normal, and then over time like he lost
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: his ability to speak, and then he started trying to
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: communicate through these drugs.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: Maybe this is just me spit volume here. Maybe they
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: were testing all these vaccines on him and they made him.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Autistics Nazi doctor working, right, That's why I'm saying that.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: And then he becomes like this clairvoyant, fucking autistic guy
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: making all these note nostrodamis type modern predictions.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: So right before he died, NF four said that when
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: he arrived at the asylum, he was given the ability
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: to telepathically communicate with an entity that was connected to
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: the asylum grounds.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: All right, I just does a side note. We should
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: do a whole episode on this guy.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: But the article you read in the last episode about
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: how these entities or whatever trying to channel through these people,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: this guy didn't even have mental illness. He got transferred
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: to this place. They probably started doing experiments and got in.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: They then induced some kind of psychosis or autism.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: It might sound like he went nonverbal.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, he got it down four days off from
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: the moon landing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: The most important question is did he predict that it
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: was fake?
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: No, But he also he wrote about cell phones and
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: stuff too.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: But he got nineteen he said, he said we're going
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: to land on the Moon and such and such in
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: nineteen sixty nine. Yeah, and then this was in the
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: late fifties, so he was like a decade. I mean, yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: they hadn't even announced politically that they were going to
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: do a space race and putting him in on I
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: mean that was so this was nineteen fifty eight that
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: he did this.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: He started in nineteen fifty eight. It took him ten.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Years, okis so then he would so then he would
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: have been from fifty eight to sixty eight. I wonder
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: at what point in there he wrote about.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: The moon landing.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: There is a lot of information you can find about
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: this guy, because since the asylum closed, they removed large
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: chunks of the walls where nf were carved these images,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: and they're all in a museum somewhere and that's it's
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: a suseum in Italy.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: That's not like Smithsonian, they said.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: They so they took these big chunks of the wall out,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: they put them in a museum.
• 24:25
  Speaker 14: They said, this is just artwork, but it happens to
• 24:30
  Speaker 14: be prophetic, right, so he is like modern hieroglyphs.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Well, he also spoke about and the nurses would just say, oh,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: he's been in here so long, he's crazy now. But
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: he would say that the asylum was a portal for
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: shadow people and that they were coming in and out.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: So he said that before he went no, no, he.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Would write it and he would try to communicate with
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: the nurses, and uh, you can find all of this
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: stuff if you google this guy's name. His name is
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: again Fernando or sty Nanetti, and so he went by
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: n o F four. You could probably google it, just
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Volterra Asylum n o F four. You'll find pictures of him.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: You'll find pictures of the carvings.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: You'll find that you need to the guy who made
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Archie Archive eighty one.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Uh huh, he needs to.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Make an NF four series and just have it be
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: about this guy.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I randomly came across this in an episode of a
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: show I was watching. And when you read that article,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: and do you.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Want to admit everybody to everybody what show it was?
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: It's a spin off of Ghost Adventures.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: As if Ghost Adventures needs to spin off, they.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Apparently have one. What's what's the show called.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: It's called Destinations of the Damned, and it's about haunted
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: locations all over the world, not just in the US.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: So how is that different than ghost Adventures.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: He doesn't actually go to the location. He sends archaeologists
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: and he sends like.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, he's moving on up.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so Zach, he sent like people to go and
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: look at these.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Do you think he's do you think even though he's
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: coordinating it from afar, he.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Still gets my next burning Probably.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: He's zoom calling with the correspondence on your ound.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: It's not an interesting story, but yeah, I want to
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: do a whole episode on it. Yeah, it could have
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: its own episode. But you read the article at joggby
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Memory about this guy being prophetic as fuck. He didn't
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: have mental illness. They moved into this place.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Where man, you'll come to find many of them.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Do not, right. But so that is my sum up
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: of the asylent portion of this episode, because I do
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: want to get into some pharmaceuticals and it's psychiatry and stuff.
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: I'm glad you're covering the pharmaceuticle angle of it, because
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: I'm not.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I have quite a few notes on the pharmaceutical aspect.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Good, So where do you want to start?
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Do you want me to run through the pharmaceuticals.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: First, Well, I think we should, because, for example, maybe
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: you'll mention this prozac became a big thing.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: In what the seventies or eighties? Yeah, so which one
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: is it?
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: My eighties?
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Eighties?
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: But I mean, I think the eighties in general were
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: a huge fucking decade for the pharmaceutical industry.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: And it bled over big time into the nineties.
• 27:39
  Speaker 15: With the.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Commodifying fucking depression.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: And yeah, it's started to become like a like a
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: we can take the pharmaceuticals and mix match them with
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: the Laurel camps as I like to call them. And
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: obviously we're going to talk about psychiatry and how it's
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: escalated from there. But before we do that, I kind
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: of wanted to just talk about briefly the origins of
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: some of these big name pharmaceuticals that are still in
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: use today that I feel like, are it's utterly insane
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: that anybody puts this shit into their bodies. Utterly insane.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: So the first drug specifically targeted for mental illness was lithium, right,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: and it was used by psychiatrists in the eighteen seventies lithium.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: But you know where they get you is the lithium
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: that's available for prescription now is not the lithium that
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: they were using in eighteen seven.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Say your great granddaddy's lithium. So so are you saying
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: it was better to have the old lithium?
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because actually, long before modern medicine, Roman physicians recognized
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: the therapeutic effects of natural spring water that was high
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: in lithium. Content.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Tell you right now as a side note, I haven't
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: shown you this, but you know the downtown.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Square of Ashland. Yeah, there's a fucking.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: Drinking fountain that comes out of Lithia Creek that runs
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: through Ashland, and this is like it tastes like bubbly.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Ocean water and people go high in lithium. Yeah, people
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: go there and drink it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: That's the lithium that they were using to treat people.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: So there's just using from natural sources.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Natural spring water that was high in lithium. The lithium
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: that's prescribed to people today is some kind of petroleum
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: synthetic grosser.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it all is now. Yeah, they synthesized it and
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: they they.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Turned it into petrochemical. So of course other than lithium,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: they would use like thor zine and shit like that,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: because you can't be crazy if you just constantly knocked
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: the fuck out basically. But something that I wanted to
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: address is that most of the modern day antidepressants that
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: the doctors will put you on, the active ingredient is fluoride.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Right, especially Prozac, yes, which I don't think they really
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: use anymore. I think they phased out to these more
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: modernized SSRIs.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: You're still gonna find docs out there who want them.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I know, I know it's not completely discontinued,
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: but I think.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: It's the My mom took it for years, proses zach.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Do you know what the generic name for prozac is?
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Fluoxetine as in fluoride. Fluoride oxcene is the generic name
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: for prozac. I mean, if you think you're getting away
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: from fluoride by taking other SSRI's like lexapro, think again,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: because one of the number one active ingredients in lexapro
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: is fluoride.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: I was just looking up to see Mother's Little Helper
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: by the rolling Stones.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: I didn't remember what that was about. You know, it's valium.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: I think lithium, valium, prozac, lexapro, now a bunch of
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: just huge offshoots of those latter ones, Like.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Can you think of any.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: That are used right now?
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, my sister's been on all of them.
• 32:00
  Speaker 16: My mom, we.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Should have had her, We should have had her as
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: like a ten minute guest spot zoomer in. No, because
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: she likes them, so it's okay to get the other side.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, she actually has had really bad experiences with
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: certain ones.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: The thing about it, though, is they say that they
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: put that high amount of fluoride in these drugs because
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: it improves their efficacy, which means it totally shuts your
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: fucking brain down.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Well, why do they put it in the water because
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: teeth teeth. Luckily, we live in one of few states
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: that hasn't fluoridated their water.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: In fact, as I.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Know, and you'll come to find out when you have
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: a kid and you take them to the doctor. They
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: even specify like, yeah, we don't have florid in the
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: water here in Oregon. Do you want to put your
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: kid on fluoride pills?
• 32:53
  Speaker 12: No?
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Fuck you very.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Much, Fuck you very much. Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, eventually they stop asking because they just know
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: I mean they.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Have to ask.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I'm sure they have to ask.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: On their required questionnaire that every.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Doctor saying, we have to put fluoride in these antidepressants
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: because it improves the efficacy.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: Well, it's like adding shit to fucking tobacco when you make.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Cigarettes, but improves their efficacy because it totally calcifies your
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: fucking brain hole.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: I mean that is generally what they're going for.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: So another ingredient that is used in almost every pharmaceutical,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: but especially synthetic antidepressants, is petroleum derivatives.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I think that's just in most pharmaceuticals.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: In thailan al, advil, they all have petrochemicals. And the
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: reason that they use petrochemicals is because of So when
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: we say things like the pharmaceutical industry is an industry
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: for a reason, it's a money making machine. They don't
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: care about healing anyone, they don't care about saving anyone.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: They're literally synthesizing fluoride and petrochemicals to induce a fucking
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: lobotomy in a very mild form, right.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: And it's it's perpetual. Over time, you're getting the same effect.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: It's like I used to say when I was really
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: big into like all the MDMA research they did in
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: the eighties. When I was like making this documentary a
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: long time ago, they talk about how MDMA was being
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: used in couple's therapy. It was being used for depression,
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: and the idea was, rather than flood your brain and
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: fuck your Sara tone and uptake with these modern pills,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: you would have three or four sessions with molly, and
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: that's what MDMA is. And in some of these instances,
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: like the therapists would take a little and then the
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: couples would take some and they would just bear their
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: souls to each other and they was fucking working for
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: all sorts of shit.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: And the pharmaceutical company said, well, that's what ours do.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: But it does it over fucking years and years and years,
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: and it keeps you coming back. So MDMA was just
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: wiped off the map. Now, I do have a lot
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: of mixed feelings about what they're doing with some of
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: these psychedelic studies that are still continuing to day through
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: places like Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies maps they're doing
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: like all these but I did see a lot of
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: value in three therapy sessions for it. The most where
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: you roll and I have done MDMA a handful of times,
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: and by God, I think there was something there.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Oh why because it's focusing on spiritual outlets instead of.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: No it's I mean, you can look at it, and
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: it does. If you're spiritually inclined, it will feel that way.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: But what it does is it just lets you look
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: at yourself from an objective, empathetic perspective, which you were
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: not able to do in our bodies. For some reason,
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: maybe we can maybe we lost it, but this allows
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: you to just be.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Completely open and honest. I mean you could like.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Okay, but yeah, that sounds like a spiritual thing.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: For sure, it is. There's a spiritual level to it.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: But you could take atheists and get the same result
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: and they would just look at it as better living
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: through chemistry or whatever. But my whole point was this
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Rockefeller model of medicine couldn't survive. If you were letting
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: things through the cracks into the psychotherapy offices across the country,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: you would quickly drive them under, and so of course
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: they did, or they drove them under so they wouldn't
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: be driven under. Also, something I wanted to mention because
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: the Rockefeller thing, I'm assuming that ninety nine point ninety
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: ninety nine percent of people listening or watching this are
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: very aware of the Rockefeller system.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: But I couldn't help.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: But notice I've always been a King of the Hill fan.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Julia's like, yeah, on it.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: But I've been watching the new one, and of course
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: my favorite character is Dale Dale, and in this one,
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: he's like saying all the shit, but it's just you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: he's he's mentioned in he always did, but he's mentioned
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: in like Rockefeller Medicine. And in one of the more
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: recent episodes I watched, he was talking about the Zepruder
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: film and he's like, if you zoo him in on
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: such and such frame, you see this, And he's like,
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: but it's all fake anyway.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god, they're like up.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: But then you gotta wonder, like because Mike Judge is
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: probably very aware of all this shit, but he chooses
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: like this character that no one takes seriously to be
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: like the outlet for all those ideas.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: And I think that's the problem with a lot.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: Of you know, pop culture conspiracy stuff, is it's never
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: like a credible character. The guy's wife's been fucking the
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Indian dude, right, in front of his eyes. He misses
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: the most obvious shit, but he's in tune with all
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: these conspiracies.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Anyway, that's a tangent.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: But I think we were talking about the petroleum based.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: The Rockefeller stuff. I mean, yeah, I think that a
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: lot of people are aware of it. I don't think
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: that they're aware that it's in literally everything. It's in Thailand, all,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: it's in Advil.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: It's it's not even hard information to find. I mean,
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: you know, people don't give a fuck. But like the
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: other night, I had a headache and you asked if
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: I wanted something, and I said no, I.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Was talking about Adville. I said, do you want some
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: vix on your forehead? I didn't, which actually contains petroleum.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: So it all does, babe.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I guess you're right about that, But
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: I was gonna.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: It's like seed oils and food is the petroleum and
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: everything else.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Sometimes when I have a bad headache, putting a little
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: vixa on my forehead helps.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: You could also get fucking peppermint essential oils.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: We don't have any right now.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm just saying it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: You can get that sensation from completely non petroleum products.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Definitely, I would prefer that.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean I could get a bottle next time
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: I go. I mean I can get you a bottle
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: by three o'clock this afternoon.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: I was going to talk a little bit about antipsychotics
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: as well, because they're in the same loop as the antidepressants,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: and it's actually going to be a good segue into psychiatry.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: So the main anti psychotics are ziprexa, Wrispitoal, sarraquil, Abilify,
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: zell docs, and in Vega, and then they have all
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: the generic names listed here. But Sarahquill was given to
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: me when I was in tenth grade because I didn't
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: want to go to school, so I was truant, and
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: the truant officer ordered that I go to a talk
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: therapist who was a psychiatrist.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: We call them shrinks and kneads, neked the woods.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: And she told my mom that my behavioral issues in
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: not wanting to go to school was because I was psychotic,
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: and she put me on a super high fucking dose
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: of sarah quill. I couldn't move, I couldn't talk, I
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: couldn't fucking eat. I could all I could do is
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: get in the feetus position and fucking sleep. That's all
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: I could do. And so in tenth fucking grade, this woman,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: who was ordered by the court by the state of Ohio,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: put me on an antipsychotic medication, and then she recommended
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: to my mom that I go to one of these
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: lora wood encampments and get like talk therapy and stuff
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: like that and paint pictures of my bee hole, because
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: that was going to fix the part I didn't want
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: to go to school.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: You know, I always from a young age noticed because
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: I was a compliance student. At first, I didn't start,
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: you know, stop giving a fuck about school or start
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: not giving a fuck about school until like early high school.
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: I was like.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I was in the.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Talented gifted program. I was fucking always wanting to do
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: very well. And then I like got interested in women
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: and everything else that teen boys get interested in. But
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: I didn't notice early on, like maybe junior high level,
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: maybe a little bit before then, all the fucking outcast kids,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: the kids that they did what they did to you.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: They're the smartest fucking kids in school. They're the ones
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: going the fuck is all this this doesn't feel right.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: I should fucking not comply. I didn't, And what do
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: they do with the non compliant. They start you early
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: on this fucking treadmill of psychiatry pharmaceutical shit, and they
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: actually make the smart kids want to do drugs. And
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: I really did think that there was always like a
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: double edged.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Mission with like the DARE program.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Because you're telling the compliant kids to not do drugs.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: On the other hand, you're telling the non.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Compliant kids that this is their path. What do they
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: tell you?
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: Only bad kids do drugs, And these kids have already
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: been told time and time again that they're bad because
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: they don't listen and they get it distracted when the
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: light's flickering and it's fucking fifteen minutes until recess. Those
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: are the kids that they put on the drugs, and
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: then the kids that do recreational drugs and the kids
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: that oftentimes drop out of high school become a lot
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: of these throwaways in society, but they're very fucking intelligent people.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Well, think about it like this, because I'll just tell
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: you from my experience, and this is this segue that,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: by the way, all of those antipsychotic drugs have petrochemicals,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: and floor I.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Could just assume that anything pharmaceutical is going to be
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: just fucking straight up poison. It is poisonous regardless of
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: what it does to your brain. It's fucking killing your organs. Oh,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: killing your libido most of the fucking time.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Lexipro, by the way, I have I have a friend
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: who takes it to this day and she's like, well.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: What's her name? Where she live?
• 43:42
  Speaker 16: Just kidding?
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: So she's taking it forever long.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: And has she listened?
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: No?
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, I just didn't want to make things awkward.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Oh but so she told me one day, she said,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: I'd like to take the lexipro because I don't have
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: to deal with the anxiety or the depress anymore. But
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: I cannot get any sensation in my vagina whatsoever. So
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: what is betraying mood? I'm sorry, but that would make
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: me depressed.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: You know, some women get to that point anyway, so
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: they don't give a fuck with the drugs. I mean,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: I'm not to just leave men out of the equation.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: Some people get to the like mundane stages of life
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: and they're sex to have goes.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: But then you throw this on top of that.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: But that's besides the point. Think of what they do
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: to Like, some of the most creative kids who are
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: quote unquote what HyperAct is troubled. So when I was
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: in like what you were saying, maybe middle school, Uh,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: the teachers would tell my mom like she's got kind
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: of like her head in the clouds all the time,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: like she doesn't really want to focus on her assignments
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: and stuff. She's always like doodling and doing whatever and
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: talking to her friends and passing notes. And we I
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: think that she could she might benefit from maybe like
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: adderall or something that could help with focus. And my
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: mom was always like no for that stuff because I
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: was just a normal kid. I just didn't like really.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: So what sold her on the antipsychotic.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: They put a warrant out for my arrest because I
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: was not going to school.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: I remember you talking about this on an old episode
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: of Deplorable Nation, shut Out, Janet.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they put a warrant out for my arrest because
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: I stopped going to school altogether because I was like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: fuck all this shit. And when we went to court,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: the court ordered me to see this psychiatrist who wanted
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: to put me on antipsychotic medicine. And she wanted me
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: to take this antipsychotic medicine and she wanted me to
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: go to this Laurel Wood Encampment place and paint pictures
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: or whatever like that's supposed to help. And then after
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: all that was done, I still ended up having to
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: go to jail and they didn't even give me my fucking.
• 46:17
  Speaker 10: What.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: They didn't even give me my drugs when I was
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: in jail. So how was that supposed to help?
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: You know, they say jail's one of the easiest places
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: to get drugs if.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: You want them, not Sarah quill, what was the point
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: of do you want no? But I'm just saying, what
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: was the point of going through with all that and
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: just to end up still having to go to jail
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: sitting there eating fucking fruit cups.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: And it's kind of like what we were talking about
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: yesterday with where you were at that job where they
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: wanted you to get the COVID shot and they just
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: dangled all this stuff in front of you, small threats.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: None of it stuck with you, and then they're just
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: like fuck it, let it slide. Yeah, but you and
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: your mom, it sounds like there you know, you would
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: hit a point where something needed to change. I mean,
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: I just as a parent, even if I didn't know,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: I mean who the fuck knows. I can't imagine not
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: knowing all this stuff that we've learned through all this
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: conspiracy research. But to put a fucking kid on a
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: drug that forever changes their personality, whether they stay on
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: it or not.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: What just seems like such a very long You know
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of them, you're good.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: But some of these ones they put like suicidal depressed
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: people on, there's no turning back. It's like ozimpic for
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: the mind.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's a good way to put it. But anyways,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: that's my segue.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: Into ozimpic frontal cortex instead of ozimpic volva.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: I think they all give you ozimpic frontal cortex. I mean,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know why I said, you're fucking pharmaceutical level.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Well here's the other thing.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: We're not gonna go a deep dive into these SSRIs,
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: but anybody who wants to, and there's a lot of
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: great podcasters out there who have done that. When you
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: look at like what they know about serotonin and what
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: they know about what causes depression, these fucking SSRIs are
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: a shot in the dark.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: They rarely work on people. I think it's like just
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: going on memory.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: I think it's around like twenty percent of people report
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: like positive changes. Other people say like, yeah, it just
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: helps keep.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Them baseline and afloat.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: And then there's the fucking other outliers, which it's a
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: huge it's not even an outlier. I shouldn't even say
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: that word. It's more like casualties. People who fucking do
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: kill themselves because these things take the edge off, or
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: they go on them and then they don't like what
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: they do, then they stop taking them, and then they
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: kill themselves. I mean, there's all sorts of ways this goes,
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: but the success rate is dog shit and it's amazing
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: to me that they keep fucking cranking them out there
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: because people want to look at like the opioid pandemic
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: or pandemic the opioid epidemic, and they want to look
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: at other things, but the SSR eyes. I think in
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: like one hundred years, we're gonna look back and go,
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: what the fuck were we doing.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be like the lobotomy.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Yes, I know, you know what I think is working
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: for some people and they don't even realize it. I
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: don't think it's got anything to do with the serotonin uptake. Whatever.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: I think it's florid because it's the fluoride.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's not even like they've found things now
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: they're putting in these things that are better than florid
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: at numbing you. Like florid was the bit like where
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: they started doing this, And now they've found all sorts
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: of new chemicals that I wouldn't want to think they'd
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: ever put in the drinking water, but I wouldn't put
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: it past them either. I mean, if you're gonna put
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: florid in the drinking water, what wouldn't you do?
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, poison the town waters. Apply that's all you have.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: Buy a warfare man, that's what it is.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, and they've been doing it in smaller ways
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: to all of us, to the people who don't get
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: institutionalized or go through the mental health system. Is frequencies
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: and all sorts of shit that we all are.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: A subject to.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Like we don't take any pharmaceuticals, right and uh recreationally
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: occasionally but not for the most part. But no, like
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: organ doesn't fluorinate their water, and we're not taking serotonin
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: uptake inhibitors or whatever the fuck. But imagine being in
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: a state that already fluorinates the water chlorinates.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: What that's what we're gonna call it?
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: What is it called? Just keep going, I'm sorry, is
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: that not what it's called.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: I think it's floridata.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: They put fluoride in the water. They're on prozac, and
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: you know they're getting blasted with fucking for a date,
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: fluorinates whatever, Babe. I'm just saying people are getting fucked up.
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're gonna segue into some of the darker
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: stuff at some point.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: I would say that the pharmaceutical angle of it, as
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: dark as it is, it's like, uh seven or a
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: six on the scale that they have created on what
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: they're willing to do to mentally ill people who a
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: lot of the times are not even mentally ill.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: And don't even get me or any of them really well.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, don't, and don't even get me
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: started on like how it's targeted towards women too. Yeah.
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: I actually have come across that stat quite a few times.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: It's just like the lobotomies.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, we're just making up for the other
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: ways that you guys aren't always getting attentioned.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: Well, imagine like your prescribed birth control pills, prozac, you
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: have zimpic.
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: You have to walk around the street knowing that every
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: guy that looks at you is thinking about your a JJ.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: They think about how this is targeted towards women though.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: It's like, especially like when it first came onto the
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: scene in modern day culture, it was basically only women.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Hysteria was not something that you would say a man was,
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: you know, suffering from.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like, oh, women are crazy women this
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: women that it's like we've been literally driven to the
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: point of like a pharmaceutical fucking lobotomy. And then people
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: wonders why women is all emotionally.
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: Ye broad and not even to leave out that the
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: damage that they do mentally to females in this society. Reproductively,
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: they fuck you too because a lot of this.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Shit and you are one who can speak to this.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: A lot of the stuff that they intervene with for
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: other things they want to fix, it just fucks up
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: your reproductive system and ways that you'll never recover from.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, your avocable damage, irreversible.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: And we've talked this is a little personal, but we've
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: talked about your mom with her cancer, Yeah, breast cancer,
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: and she had taken a some kind of hormone, I assume,
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: but she had taken some kind of mistigical intervention for breastfeeding.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: She didn't want to lac date and you got to wonder,
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: like I wonder if that causes cancer?
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Three times she did it. Yeah, But so this is
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: this is why I say it leads into the psychiatry aspect,
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: which we both have a lot of notes on this
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: documentary we watched. But so I went to one of
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: these places. It was literally called Laurel Wood, and it
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: was like for for addition, so you were teenagers.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: Destined from day whatever to have a wood for Laurel Canyon.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: I didn't even think about it day.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: I've thought about it the first time I heard you
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: say it.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was called Laurel Wood.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: We both have Laurel Woods.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: But yeah, No, this place was for distraught teenagers who
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: were and they were all they basically it was a
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: bunch of teenagers who were all doped up on whatever
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: antipsychotic of the month that they were prescribing, and they
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: would they would make you sit in a circle and
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: talk about nothing literally. And you know, I had a
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: roommates or whatever that I still have on Facebook, and
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: every now and again, she'll send me a message and
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: be like, you know, I see you're doing good in life.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: I'm glad things worked out for you if she's doing
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: good too. But it's like, I don't know, you just
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: kind of bond over that because you both kind of
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: look at each other and think to yourself, how the
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: fuck did we get here?
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like soldiers coming home for more. And I
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: will say that the thing they did to men in.
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: These early eras drafting, sending to kill people overseas, that
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: was like our big fucking depression. And you women have
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: the mental health industry popping.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Up similar times.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: Like men had to on a queue if their number
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: was called, go fight people for whatever. And you guys
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: were not allowed to show emotion. I keep saying you guys,
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: you gals were not allowed to show emotion, not allowed
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: to disobey your husband under most any circumstance, because otherwise
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: you could be declared hysterical or insane.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, think about I mean.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: Just look at that era of what it did to
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: both genders and now they don't even have any.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: No shit. But I mean, in these places, it to me,
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: I have like a PTSD thing about it because it
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: felt like it felt like you were literally scum. They
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: would watch you shower, watch you undress and dress, they
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: would pat you down and rub your crotch and do
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: all kinds of stuff to make sure you weren't smuggling
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: a blade to try to kill yourself. And the food the.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: True to deter people from suicide.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying I was. I was in tenth grade, babe,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: tenth grade, and then I went to jail on top
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: of that, and sometimes, you know, with all the story,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: my dad was a psychopath and he would always get
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: admitted into these places and we'd have to go visit him.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: And when I see it in a movie even I
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: get like triggered, like my god, because once you've been
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: in there and they don't let you out.
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: So next week to be a fun episode, right, all
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: the triggering fucking pop culture.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: But I've tried to explain it to you. I know,
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: I don't let you out until they're ready to let
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: you out. You can beg cry, scream for your.
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: Mom, and that actually, in their minds makes them think
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: you need to be in there longer if you act
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: out because you don't want to be a fucking prisoner,
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: which same people do not enjoy being fucking locked away.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: No, they would let you. They would let me call
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: my mom like once a week. It was horrible. But anyways,
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: this is what's gonna seguees into the psychiatry aspect. I
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: sent you a documentary to watch. It popped up randomly
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: on my YouTube because I was looking for other things
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: about the Willows Brooks State School, and it said, Uh,
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: what was the title, like, craziest Psychiatry? Uh, something.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Corrupt psychiatric spittles in the US from the nineteen nineties.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: Our life is it BBC, isn't it?
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: Or I don't know what it is, something like that,
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: some kind.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Of sometimes with the accent is naring.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I will when it comes around to me
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: on this.
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: I do have a few clips that I have pulled
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: from here just because they speak better than we could
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: describe what they're saying.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: And you know, anyway, So what was your thoughts about
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: the documentary? Overview?
• 58:35
  Speaker 15: Uh?
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: To give people just a little background on it. It's
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: a documentary looks like it was made in the nineties,
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: and the thing that was going on was the focus
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: of the documentary was happening in Houston. It seemed to
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: be a modern situation where this guy who went by
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: doctor Mark Bolin, he had falsified his creditdentials and he
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: came up with.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: This scheme.
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: Where it was basically a privatized kidnapping situation where they
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: would funnel in people into an institution through therapists, doctors.
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: There was even some ties to suicide hotline, and every
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: step of the way, they mainly took people who were
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: insured privately, so they knew they could bleed money.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: And it's funny too.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: A lot of these people got out of it by
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: saying that my insurance isn't any good anymore, or they
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: noticed the coverage was gone. But anyway, every step of
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: the way, they're just bleeding dollars and dollars and dollars.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: And there is places where, like what Juliet was talking
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: about earlier, they had one physician on staff for thirty
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: to thirty five people, and they would call in doctor
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: to make rounds, ask how are you feeling today? And
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: every patient was like one hundred bucks, and this doctor
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: would just go around to like thirty people. Now we'll
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: get into how they were getting these people in there,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: but my overall thoughts on it was I was a
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: little shocked that this was going on this late. I'm
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: sure it still is on smaller levels, but this was
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: just an out in the open scheme. And they even
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: have this marketing real and they market for it. They have,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: like I imagine during soap operas during the day or
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: like late night TV, these infomercials with one eight hundred
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: numbers for these places, trying to get your kids, trying
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: to get anybody who felt a little emotionally unstable. But yeah,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: why don't you go over your thoughts on it first,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: and then I have some some of the situations I
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: want to talk about what you might cover on your own,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: and then I won't have to. But I also had
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: like two or three shortish clips from it that I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: thought would be cool to share.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad you did that too, because I didn't
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: have any clips queued up. But I think it's important
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: for people, if they don't want to watch the entire documentary,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: to see at least some parts of it. Because I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: saw the title, I.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Mean it could even put in the show notes the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: link to it.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I will.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 17: So.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: I was watching the Willow Brooks State School with Heraldo Rivera.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: This was in the side panel for like the recommended say,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: corrupt psychiatric hospitals in the US from the nineteen nineties,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: and I did that nineties mini series and I was like, Oh,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: that's so interesting that it was some type of corrupt
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: hospitals in the nineties. I wonder what they were doing.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: And I clicked on it and I was just, you know,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: working on my notes. I think I maybe did some dishes,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: jumped in the shower, and I was listening to it
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: in the background, and there were parts that came up
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: in the documentary where I literally just stopped and I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: was like, what the fuck, what the actual fuck? I mean,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: these people were getting kidnapped, they were getting and some
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: of their lives were absolutely ruined by this.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: Normal everyday people living normal everyday lives, having normal everyday
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: problems became victims of this thing.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and some of them got their kids taken away,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: some of them.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, We've got some examples that will show clips of,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: but one of them is I think it's one of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: the first ones they talk about, and Julia and I
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: both remembered it because it's crazy. This married couple had
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: an eighteen month old child and they were trying to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: save their marriage and the husband was even quoted in
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: the documentary as saying, I wasn't trying to save it
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: for sheer. I I was mainly focused on saving it
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: for child, which say what you want about that, I
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: don't agree with it. Some people want to avoid divorce altogether.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: But if you can't get your shit together, get out
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: for the sake of the kid. Don't stay for the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: sake of the kid. But his head was in the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: right place. He wanted to save it. So they were
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: in couple's therapy and one day he didn't hear back
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: from her after their session, and he called around and finally,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: like at eleven o'clock at night, he got a call
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: back from a doctor said she.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: Had been his wife.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, had been held at a facility, and he ended
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: up finding where it was and going there, and it
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: took him some trouble to get in, and once he
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: got in, he got surrounded. He never saw his wife,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: and then they committed him and they and what they
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: do is they have this twenty eight day program where
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: you are a prisoner. Sometimes some of these examples that
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: were brought up in the documentary, people were lucky enough
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: to get a hold of law enforcement and get some
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: like good people working on that indto things to like
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: intervene and get you the fuck out of there, But
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: most of these people didn't.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: And this went on for years. I mean the attorney
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: general of texts.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: Of so this was in Houston, yeah, Texas, and I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: don't know if it was the local attorney general or
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: the state, but they stepped in and caught this guy,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: found out that his credentials were fucking forged, and he
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: would get these doctors to like play along and get
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: rich with him in the process. And a lot of
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: these people they interview in the documentary or doctors that
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: said fuck you know, but how many said yes enough
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: to get And they also emphasize in the documentary that
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: this is not an isolated event.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: This happens a lot everywhere. And this was in the nineties.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: And I'm not to just assume that it's gone away altogether.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: No, I would say, if anything, they've just gotten more
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: slick about how they run it. Yeah, you want to
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: play your clip.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So so we talked about one instance with the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: married couple. Okay, so this guy and I think they
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: do set it up.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: A little bit.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: I don't remember how much they say, but basically just
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: a normal guy with the health ailment gets a surgery
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: that ended up being pretty serious, and he gets thrown
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: into this fucking weird system.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 18: I've had eighteen major surgeries in almost forty five hours
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 18: under the knife in the last three years.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 11: A surgeon's knife had left Roy Shannon with no spleen
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 11: and most of his intestines and bowels removed. He was
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 11: in intense pain. In the process, he'd becomes seriously addicted
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 11: to painkillers and heavy drugs. To counter his pain and addiction.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 11: He was referred to a PIA hospital in Dallas.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 18: The telephone conversation that I had with doctor Leon to
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 18: Brookhaven Psychiatric Hospital had assured me that he could get
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 18: me on the road recovery.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Very nice picture, but that's not what happened.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 18: He diagnosed me on the phone as being a manic depressive.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 19: We found that UH Brooke caven Is is probably one
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 19: of the uh UH worst actors UH in, at least
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 19: in the state. We think primarily because of the clientele
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 19: that they are usually able to attract UH out there,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 19: but also because they employ some unusual forms of psychological
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 19: therapy that UH are still in testing stages of. For
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 19: for most uh reasonable practitioners.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 18: Their plan for detoxification is, uh they strap you to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 18: a bed in uh leather restraints and what hadn't.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Uh you're left there.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 18: I was left that way through the night, and they
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 18: had strapped me during the During that time, my legs
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 18: were spread, my arms were down to the side of
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 18: the bed, and they were distrapped with a kind of
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 18: like a leather bands to the bed rails. You're left
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 18: with a boalbum that has no control as a baby has.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 18: And it's like staying in dirty diapers, you know, for
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 18: through the evening into the night, all night into the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 18: next day. And then you're someone comes in and unstraps
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 18: you and tells you to get up and clean yourself
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 18: up and let's go to a meeting.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 15: How is that supposed to tut you off drugs?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 18: I have no idea how that cuts you from drugs?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 17: Uh.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 18: I mean they restrain you and restrict yous. There's it's
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 18: like a cold turkey type thing. I felt dejected and rejected.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 18: I felt hurt abused.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: So that's one instance, and I do think it's a
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: little more mild than some of them. But this just
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: to emphasize that this was a guy, through no fault
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: of his own, had a health problem, some serious surgeries
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: that would change the rest of his physical life anyway,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: and then he gets addicted to painkillers.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: Imagine, no, hun, they took most of his bows, his spleen,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: he's got just shits on himself like a baby, and
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: they strap him down to shit on himself throughout the night.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: And this was supposed to be good for his mental
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: health situation. Yes, just I mean, think of this. Did
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: you see the look on that poor man's face.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you gotta wonder painiful.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: They don't really talk about, you know, how long he
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: was in there. I assumed he stayed the full twenty
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: eight days, but they did make him go cold turkey
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: and say what you want about that, just.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: The him down and make him shit on it.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: Just the whole inhumane treatment of a guy who, yeah,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: through no fault of his own, you're depressed. Well, yeah,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: I just had half of my innards removed, fucking red.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: But think about this, it's the nineties, right, dope sick.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: They probably put him on fire, oh he was. They
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: probably put.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: Him before he was out the door of the hospital.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: He's popping those things like smarties, garing fucking teed.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: So they get him addicted first off to the pain medication.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: And then they wonder why he's depressed.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: And then they wonder why he's depressed.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Have you ever met an up aty junkie?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: But maybe they get you addicted this stuff and then
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: they're like, you're depressed, and then they they.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: Just then he gets and he doesn't even get into
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: a good just say what you want about this overall
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: state of the above board psychiatric care facilities. He gets
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: roped into this fake one that just bleeds them with
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: money and treats them a piece of meat.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: But the other aspect of this was, as always with
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: any fucking dark scheme, the biggest victims end up being children.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: And I've got a couple more clips to demonstrate that,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: but I do want to show you first before we
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: move into that angle of it. And actually it's just
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: going to show one of their basic ass infomercial things
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: and then it moves into like targeting kids.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: I still can't believe what our son's problems did to
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: our family. The screaming, the fights, and everything to do
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: with school was just a nightmare.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 13: I finally realized we had to find some help.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: Everything okay, it.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 12: Sure is if you are trying to deal with a
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 12: troubled teenager called they would hospital now at seven one, three, three, three,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 12: two nine five zero.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 17: A lot of parents don't know their teenager is headed
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 17: for trouble until the school tells them. They have no
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 17: idea how much trouble he's really in until school gets out.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 17: They hope the problem will get better over the summer,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 17: until it gets worse. The truth is, some parents don't
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 17: want to believe there's a problem at all until there's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 17: no solution. Don't let your teenager waste another school year.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 17: Specialized care just for kids.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 19: Clearly, the thing that's affected me the most is the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 19: way that this industry has insidiously gotten itself involved with
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 19: the children, and they do so in a variety in
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 19: a variety of ways. The most blatant example is the
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 19: way that psychiatric facilities in Texas have obtained a presence
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 19: in school counseling facilities in independent school districts throughout the state.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 19: And it's such an incitia way for them to get business,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 19: that is, through the school districts and by way of
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 19: praying on minors. That's the thing that really troubles me.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 11: The most psychiatric hospitals placed their own counselors in American schools.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 11: In Texas, investigations and now underway in twenty four school
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 11: districts for illegal referrals to their hospitals.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 20: When we started admitting children as young as two and
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 20: three years of age, that gets you a little bit.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 20: And then the adolescent program, it was easy to admit
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 20: those patients and we knew they were going to stay
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 20: for a long time and they had no say in
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 20: the admission, so they'd be there for sixty to ninety days.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 21: We've seen the referrals being made by school counselors, people
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 21: that as we grow up in life, we've we've been
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 21: taught to put our trust in and instead, many many
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 21: times our schools become pipelines for our students into these
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 21: private hospitals and sometimes if possible, in many cases we
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 21: heard where that was used to pull not just the
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 21: child in, but the parents as well.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 15: And al.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 22: Be careful now.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 11: Corticia Dupre had just had her fourth birthday when she
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 11: was referred for a consultation at Laurel Wood, a p
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 11: I a hospital in Houston.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 23: There Burwood, you can't do it, You did it?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, you wanna come down?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 11: Her mother, Laisha, suspected the child that had been sexually abused, not.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: From up there.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 11: P i A persuaded her that Quarticia needed immediate hospitalization.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 11: They suggested she stay with a child for four days
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 11: to keep her company.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 23: After the four days were up, I was ready to go,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 23: and they were trying to keep me there. I kept saying, hey,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 23: I want to get out of here. You know, my
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 23: time is up, and she kept saying that, no, I
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 23: really think it's something inside you that's wanting to come
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 23: out and will come out, and it's going to be
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 23: a nasty sight, you know. And I'm like, I don't care,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 23: you know, even if so, I'm ready to go, and
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 23: you know, they just refuse and refuse and refused. So
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 23: at that time I decided to start saying, hey, I'm
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 23: not gonna pay insurance.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 11: The hospital's attitude towards Leisha changed. They separated her from
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 11: her child until one evening she was summons to the
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 11: children's units.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 23: Next thing I know, she said, grab her and this
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 23: guy before I can even turn my head, he grabbed me.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 23: And then the guy that called me to have me
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 23: to come over there from the beginning. He comes out,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 23: you know, finally and he say strap and it's like
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 23: they went around the corner to get to s you know,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 23: the strap, and it it was like everything was just
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 23: set up because it took them less than a you
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 23: know second to grab me and less than you know,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 23: maybe two or three seconds to get the strap. And
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 23: he took his knees, the guy that was holding he
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 23: took his knees and bitten my knees in and brought
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 23: me down to the floor and uh, he like stumbled,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 23: you know, t f fell on top of me. When
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 23: I kind of started going off. Then I was like,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 23: what are you doing to me? You know, let me go,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 23: Let me go, And uh my daughter was standing there
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 23: the whole time, watching everything, and that's when I said
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 23: to them, just please get her out of here. Don't
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 23: let her see this, you know, and she was just
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 23: up there crying and hurt me for her to have
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 23: to see me being treated that way.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 11: Hospital records show that Pia asked four year old Cortitia
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 11: whether she'd ever thought of suicide.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 23: I was so desperate I called the police department and
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 23: that's when I got a hold of the chief.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 16: Canto well, it was a Saturday and I had come
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 16: in to do some extra work and the phone rang
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 16: and I answered it, and it was a UH woman
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 16: requesting assistance that uh, she was being detained against her
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 16: will in a hospital and that she was not a
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 16: patient there.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 23: I guess when you were in a mental hospital or
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 23: whatever the hospital it was, people aren't gonna listen to
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 23: you cause they gonna think you crazy. But you know
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 23: that's not really the case.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 16: I went in there with the intention of trying to
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 16: do a constructive investigation. I felt that Leisha was telling
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 16: me the truth. This other gentleman, I felt that, uh,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 16: he was holding back, he wasn't being cooperative. Uh, he
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 16: wasn't giving me the information I needed, uh, evasive, and
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 16: finally I felt that he was playing games with me,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 16: and I wasn't gonna put up with it. She told
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 16: me right there in front of him she wanted to
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 16: be let out. And I asked him, I said, are
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 16: you going to let her out?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: And he said no.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 16: I said, well, we'll see about that. I came back
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 16: to my office, I started making some phone calls to
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 16: some judges and state representatives, and I got a phone
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 16: call within about two hours that they had decided to
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 16: let her go, So.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: Is somewhat happy ending there.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: Dude, that is literally kidnapping.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I also I didn't clip this one, but
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: it's noteworthy, and I would recommend anybody who's intrigued by
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: these clips that we've shown and the stuff we've talked
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: about with it to watch the whole thing. It's like
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: forty eight minutes long. Yeah, it's a quick watch. And
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: another instance was this fourteen year old kid named I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: think Jeremy, was living with what appeared to be.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: A grandmother and a grandfather.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: And somebody from the school sent over somebody to snag
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: him and take him to this place, and she wouldn't
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: let him go, and they ended up saying to her,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: and this is something fucking cops always do, Well, you
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: can make it easy.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: You can let him come with us right.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: Now and we'll hold him for twenty four hours, or
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: you can fight this and we'll come back with a
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: court order and hold him for the full.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: Twenty eight days.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: And she fought it tooth and now she called a lawyer,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: she called the cops, and they ended up being able
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: to take him anyway despite her best efforts. And then
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: they couldn't even figure out where he was. And they
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: finally got in there, they weren't allowed to see him.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: He had to do the full twenty eight days. And
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: like Julia just said, this is literally kidnapping kid was
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: a minor.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: His guardians would not.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: Comply with the orders of you know, he needs to
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: be incarcerated, and they did it anyway. Like we said
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: when we introduced this, they did end up becoming the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: subject of a heavy investigation, and I do believe it
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: all got shut down. But they also emphasized that this
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: is just one of many and this guy was playing
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: fast and loose, And I'm starting to wonder the counselors.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: So yeah, this guy recruited counselors. This guy recruited doctors,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: talk therapists. They're even doing some shit through the suicide hotlines.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: Like I said earlier, but I'm starting to wonder if
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: this Mark Bolling guy. To tie it into stuff we
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: always talk about, it could be a pretty good segue
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: into our travel back in time to mk ULTR. But
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: if Mark Bollan wasn't under the employ of some nefarious
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: triple letter whatever.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: Have you, absolutely did you look to see if he
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: ever got incarcerated for this.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: No, and in fact, I think maybe we should before
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: we in the episode tonight at the end of it,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: because I was kind of rushed and researching this documentary
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: and I.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: Ended up getting a lot of nuggets out of it.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: I'm glad you sent it to me, but a follow
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: up on mister fake doctor Mark Bollen it would be
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: worth it.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: Also looking into old Klaus.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know that's one of the things I
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: love the most about you. Because I watched it, I
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: thought you would find it interesting. I sent it to you.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: You watched it. You was also shook by some of
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: the stories in there, and it's like this was the nineties.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: I was alive and a little kid when this stuff.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: Was going on.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, think of how this is our lifetime.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: Escalated, think about how things can.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: Well I'm to cap this episode off with that in mind,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: because you don't pay attention much to modern day politics
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: or moves made in that area.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: But we will close off with where it might be going,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: and we might be going fucking backwards.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: Who well, do you have anything else about this psychiatry
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: thing before we kind of touch on mk Ultra.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: Oh, yes, some of the finer points that I felt
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: were worth writing down from this documentary. Where as we've
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: tracked in the movement and growth of this industry. We'll
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: call it psychiatric care to you know, sugarcoat it like
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: they would. It's basically state sand kitchen fucking imprisonment. Yeah,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: under the guise of mental health care. But this industry
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: doubled in the eighties, and we did in last episode
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: kind of track the girl both of it from last
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: centuries spilling over or the nineteenth centuries spilling over into
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: the twentieth century.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: And now we're talking about right here.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: So this shit doubled in the eighties, and it was
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: the biggest in Texas. As this documentary the focus point
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: was Houston, Texas, but apparently that was big in that state.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: But by the nineties, when they were making this documentary,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: it was a fifty billion.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: Dollar a year industry.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: And one can only imagine where it's at today.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: In the nineties, if it was a fifty billion dollar
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: a year industry, you can just quadruple that number probably,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: and that's where we're at now, I would assume. But
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: does that number include the pharmaceuticals.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: No, this is just this is just the scheme of
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: filtering people through all these different avenues into the psychiatric
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: imprisonment that itself through. As it was demonstrated in this documentary.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: All that money is basically coming from privatized insurance and
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: this is privatized psychiatric care. So I am a capitalist
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: over a socialist at the end of the day. But
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: unregulated capitalism and regulation isn't even the fucking answer because
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: that oftentimes it's just one hand washing the other as well.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: But with this, you have privatized insurance with meats, privatized
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: psychiatric care, and you can just get this big loop
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: of money exchange. And when you throw the pharmaceuticals into it,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: we could look and see what the number is.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: I'm imagining it's much more than fifty billion a year.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: In the nineties, it was kind of really taking off
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: heading towards its peak.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it'd be interesting to see what that market
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: was as well.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: But just from the psychiatric care alone, you're talking fifty
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: billion a year in the nineties.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: So would you agree with me when I say stuff
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: like the reason that there's no cure for cancer is
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: because the treatments are worth billions and there's there's no
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: cure for schizophrenia or mental illnesses like this, because the
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: treatments are worth billions. I mean, they don't want people
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: to get well, they don't want people to get better.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: They don't want somebody to find out that acupuncture can
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: take away the fucking shadow people at night.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: Well, and I would argue that the cure for cancer
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: is one hund preventative. Preventative care.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: Say you get cancer, right.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: And then you revert back to what you would have
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: done to not get cancer in the first place, to
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: hope your body rights itself.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: You know, sometimes people.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: Do go through these radiation slash chemo treatments and they're younger,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: healthier people, and they do bounce back. I have a
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: fucking family member. He's married to my grandmother. He's basically
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: my grandpa.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: They married.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: I as like sixteen, but he goes in and out
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: of cancer treatment every few years. It just keeps popping
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: up and he keeps killing it, but it keeps coming back.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: And then you got to wonder is the treatment causing
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: the cancer to come back and killing it?
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: But anyway, there are outliers that do get better.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: But for the most part, I mean, there was a
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: guy in like the mid fuck where was he.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: I want to give a time frame here.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: I would say it was in the fifties or sooner.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: He was doing intervenious vitamin C treatments for cancer patients,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: and they completely buried this guy. I'm not saying that
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: I think that's the overall answer to cancer, but it's
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: funny that they also suppressed vitamin treatments.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: That were popping up during COVID.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: Funny because when my mom had cancer, I found that
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: guy and I told my mom about the vitamin C
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: and I was like, would you because there are these
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: little places that have popped up recently where you can
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: just go get in few with whatever vitamins and stuff.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: And I asked her if she would do it, but
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: at that point she had kind of succumbed to I'd
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: just done trying, and I don't want.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: To do any of I'm gonna do what the doctors recommend.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: But yeah, so, yeah, they don't want a cure. They
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: want a slow drip treatment system that doesn't aim towards betterment.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: So I think it's the same with mental illness. I
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: think throwing pills in psychiatry at this stuff is not
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: the solution. I think that the guy from the first episode.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: The African guy had a lot of great points made
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: about how we do it completely asked backwards.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: Well, imagine if he would have seen this shit. He
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: was over here when this shit was taken off and
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: doubled in the eighties. But imagine if that guy had
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: walked into this place.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: Imagine if he would have walked into the Willowbrooks State
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: School with naked kids throwing shit, and.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: And maybe he saw stuff like that.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, it just I don't know Han's it's a mess.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: What do you got on himk.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: Ultra, Well, this is a topic that is near and
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: dear to me in my other show, I guess I'm
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: saying other show. I consider myself a permanent co host
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: on yours.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but on my other show.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: And don't worry, there will be things I don't do
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: with her for those people who like her alone better,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: I understand I do too. So what anyway, I have
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: done a pretty good amount of research, and damn k Ultra,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: and I came into it through my.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Interest in how they weaponized LSD. But that really isn't
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: in all of this.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: It is going to be in some of the stuff
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: I bring up because it was prevalently a part of it.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: But basically what you'll come to find was in the
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: fifth these spilling over into the sixties kind of getting
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: tossed around some congressional regulation attempts where they mainly drove
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: this shit underground. It still happens, of course, we all
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: know that. But they were doing a knee open with
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: Sydney Gottlieb, not Frank Olson, Sydney Gottlieb's mk Ultra program.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: And I had come across a doctor named You and Cameron,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: and he was operating out of Montreal, Canada, and he's
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: a very interesting character. And I have a couple articles
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: that talk about the Montreal hospital. But keep in mind
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: that this shit was going on very prevalently in the
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: mental health industry, in schools for gifted kids or special
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: needs kids, more often prisons.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: So they would get these.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: People on board that we're working directly with the CIA,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 5: and they were doing all sorts of mind control experiments,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: and in You and Cameron's case, he was focused on
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: the surface level of curing things such as schizophrenia.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: And I have a few articles, but we're also going.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: To watch some clips where you'll see how dark some
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: of this stuff got and how it spills over into
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: all of our favorite conspiratorial topics with brainwashing.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: Project Monarch and the likes.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: But we'll start with me reading off my cracked screen.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: It's an article from the Canadian Encyclopedia written by Taylor C.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: Noakes between nineteen fifty seven and nineteen sixty four, though
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: possibly beginning as early as nineteen forty eight. Psychiatric experiments
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: were conducted at the Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal, a
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: psychiatric teaching hospital affiliated with McGill University. Scottish American psychiatrist
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: doctor Donald Ewen Cameron led and conducted these experiments. The
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: program is widely believed to have been partly funded by
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: the US Central Intelligence Agency as part of their top
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: secret mk ULTR program. The Canadian government also funded the project.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: The experiment's purpose was originally and officially listed as an
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: effort to find a cure for schizophrenia. However, in reality,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: the project conducted illegal human experimentation to determine whether drugs
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: and psychological techniques could be used for the purposes.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: Of mind control.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: Officially, neither the United States nor Canada has admitted to
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: being responsible for the experiments. Wow Wow survivors have attempted
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: to receive compensation with some success.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: Wait, so they won't admit that they did it.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: Well, there are instances such as with the Church.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: Committee and I thank seventy five where this congressman from
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: Idaho brought all of this stuff MK Ultra Project Mockingbird,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: among other things into the spotlight and they were said
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: to have ended all of it after that. But other
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: than that, I mean, the things that they were willing
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: to admit to were very minimal. And what they did
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: admit to they said, it's long stopped and.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: We're not doing any of that anymore. Oh Fox, So yeah,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, oh yeah. As far as accountability goes, I
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: can't tell.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: You accountability zero.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: I can't tell you the political process history.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: That's how it's like. They're survivors who can say, yeah,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: they did this stuff to me, and they're like, no,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: we didn't.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: So some background on this. The United States became interested
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: in mind control in the fifties after the war. It
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: was believed that North Korea, China, and the Soviet Union
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: had employed mind control techniques during the conflict, particularly on
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: American prisoners of war. Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan also
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: conducted unethical human experimentation during the Second World War, some
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: of which are believed to involve the use of drugs
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: for a mind control purposes. As a result, the US
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: felt it was behind in this respect. And this is
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: what you see with everything, whether it's the arms race,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: who can build a nuke first, whether it's who can
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: get to the moon first, or oh my god, they're doing.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: Fucking mind control experiments in China, Russia and North Korea.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: So now we got to do it. And that is.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: Always what we are led to believe is the premise
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: of it. But when you get as deep as some
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: people have, one might start to think that these fucking
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: countries are working together as per trade.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: In George Orwell's nineteen eighty.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: Four, we staged these wars sacrifice, you know, hundreds of thousands,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: millions of people in the process, while we get enriched
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: building weapons, building fucking mind control techniques, faking space races
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: to build more weapons and whatever it is. But that
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: is what m k LTRA always when you read into it,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: that's always the reason why they were doing it, and
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: we had to catch up and pass them. So to
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: get into doctor Cameron, if you didn't have anything to say,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: go ahead, So Cameron. In nineteen forty three, he was
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: already a well known psychiatrist. He was invited to lead
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: the new Allen Memorial Institute by famed Canadian neurologist. While
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: they're at Penfield, doctor Donald youw and Cameron, we're just
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: gonna call him Ewan I don't want to say his
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: full name every fucking time, would become the hospital's first director.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: Cameron would also become the first chairman of McGill University's
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: psychiatry department. Well respected in his field, all right, Cameron
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: was Cameron. I don't we don't really need to get
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: into him. But this is just laying a foundation to
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: this next article I want to read, which is an
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: account that I think is going to be more in
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: depth than anything the Candian Encyclopedia could offer us. So
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: this is from a book and this is the afterword.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: But I just found this when I was coming through
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: some files.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: I've got the documents.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: This is written by a Professor David Harper of University
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: of East London and in the show notes, maybe Julia
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: will tell you what book this came from.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: I don't want to go back because I had the
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: like pdf.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: This the experiments at the heart of page Cooper's story
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: sounds as if they are straight out of a dystopian
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: conspiracy thriller. But they really happened already. I like the
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: direction of this article.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: Munch me too.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: They were conducted in the nineteen fifties and early nineteen
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: sixty sixties by doctor Ewan Cameron, and they even fucking
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: shortened his name for us. A British born psychiatrist and
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: director of the Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal, Cameron sought
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: to develop what he saw as a revolutionary new psychiatric treatment,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: but his experiments were secretly funded by the CIA as
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: part of what historian Alfred McCoy refers to as a
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: veritable Manhattan Project of the mind. Funny we just mentioned
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: that Cameron gave his procedures pseudoscientific names like depatterning and
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: psychic driving.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: You will both be I mean both of us.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: And our listeners will be familiar with at least the
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: latter deep.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: Patterning, WEP with psychic driving.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: He's the one who for the CIA was I mean, We're.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: Gonna watch a video after I read this article of
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: a guy it's more sad than anything that was shown
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: in the the UH Houston, Texas Kidnapping scheme documentary. It's
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: we're gonna show a few clips from it, but anyway, Yeah,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: Cameron gave his procedures to He varied them over time
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: and from patient to patient, but they typically involved the
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: mix of the following number one drug induced coma. Each
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: experimental treatment for Cameron's patients, two thirds of who were women,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: which we did say earlier, two thirds, that's a big
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: fucking number, would usually begin and conclude with quote sleep
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: therapy end quote, i e. A coma induced by administering
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: barbiturates number two deep patterning. During the drug induced sleep,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: patients would be woken up for feeding the toilet and
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: to be given regular electroc which would start after about
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: three days of sleep. The combined sleep electric shock quote
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: treatment in quote lasted between fifteen to thirty days, sometimes
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: up to sixty five days. So that patients did not
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: harm themselves as a result of the epileptic seizures caused
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: by the electroshock, they were immobilized with muscle relaxant drugs
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: like carreer. In the standard electroshock therapy of the times,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: doctors would give patients a single dose of one hundred
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: and ten volts, lasting a fraction of a second every
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: one or two days. However, by contrast, according to John Marx,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: quote Cameron used to form twenty to forty times more intense,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: two or three times daily with the power turned up
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: to one hundred and fifty volts into quote. So he
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: up to forty and did it longer. Cameron's aim, as
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: stated in his journal article and Comprehensive Psychiatry in nineteen
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: sixty two, was to cause disorientation and confusion via quote
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: massive end quote and quote pervasive end quote, memory disturbance.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: After this, According to his article, a patient might be
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: quote unable to walk without support to feed himself, and
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: he may show double incontinence in quote he shitt himself
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: double time. WHOA number three psychic driving patients were next
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: subjected to negative taped messages e g. Mother hates me.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: The aim was to quote get rid of unwanted behavior
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: in quote, and then this would be followed by positive
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: messages quote to condition in desired personality traits end quote.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: The messages taken from recordings of Cameron's interview with patients.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: Were played repetitively on a tape loop system via loud
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: speakers or a football helmet contraption for sixteen hours a
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: day for several weeks.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: And we're going to show a clip of a very
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: unfortunate example of this. Cameron sought to intensify the effect
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: by placing his patients in a sensory depor vision quote
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: box end quote. We're talking Joe Rogan and stranger things
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: in the stables of the hospital and giving them cocktails
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: of drugs which would immobilize them but keep them awake
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: whilst they experienced hallucinations induced by psychedelic drugs val or
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: lick cow something like that. Described her experience as quote
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: terrifying end quote. She received LSD one to four times
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: a week, goddamn together with either a stimulant or this
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: is like manson shit with either a stimulant or depressant,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 5: and then was left on her own to listen to
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: tape playing excerpts for last session of her last session
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: with Cameron. This is carrying insanity, everybody not inducing it.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: Jesus Christ, someone needs some help.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: And this I'm flabbergett. I'm speechless.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: Oh, as far as mk Ulter goes, this is like
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: one of several fucking ways they were doing this weird.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: He makes all the shit that we're led to believe
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: was the worst thing that ever happened in Nazi Germany
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: makes it. I mean, then it was a spillover effect
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: because a lot of these fuckers that came over via
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: via paper clip were the ones doing this stuff.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: Starting to wonder if they didn't do this to you know,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: Q four what.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: That quation when you told me the story of that guy,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: It just reminded me of like if I don't know
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: name your favorite filmmaker made stranger things and you would
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: have that guy like.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: It's just a crazy story.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: They drove him to non anyway, Yeah, I agree. Oh
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: they're giving patients names here too. Anyway, val or lecow.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 13: She was.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: Yes, she was given LSD and stimulants and then made
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: to listen to her last tape sessions. In the case
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: of a patient named Mary, Cameron kept her in his
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: sensory deprivation box for thirty five days. I mean, this
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: is what they do to punish people in prison, is
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: solitary confinement. Let alone sensory.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: Her in a sensory deprivation box for thirty five days.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: Let's saying here gave her repeated electro shocks and drug Sorry,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: go ahead.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: If you want to turn No, I'm just the torture
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: thirty five days comma gave her repeated electro shocks whilst
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: she was in drug induced comma, after which she endured
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 5: one hundred and one days of quote psychic driving in
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: quote at the end of her quote treatment end quote.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: According to Cameron, quote, no favorable results were obtained in.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: Quote oh weird, my God, a.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: Result that comes as little surprise with the link with
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: the CIA emerged only after years of dogged investigation. In
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: nineteen seventy four of The New York Times published an
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 5: article by Seymour Hirsh about unconstitutional CIA activities, based in
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: part on an internal report. Yeah, this is what I
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: was talking about earlier. The CIA called the family Jewels.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: That was the Church Committee. Hersh's article sparked investigations by
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: President Ford's Rockefeller Commission. Ah, they're back in the US
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: Senate's Church Committee. It was revealed that the CIA had
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: used LSD on the unsuspected members of the public in
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: the US, and then nineteen fifty three, Frank Wolson, a
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: US Army biological warfare specialist had fallen to his death
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: from the tenth floor went to see.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: What I'm telling I knew he was not running this shit.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: He was an innocent contractor.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: Well he got fucked, is what he got. But he what.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: To get.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we could get into Frank Olson. Julie and
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: I have both gone into him on other episodes about
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: how he got dosed at this like outing in the
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: woods and then he started fucking freaking out about what
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: he was a part of, and he was wanting to
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 5: talk and then they threw him from it. I know
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: a lot of people think that he was on acid
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: and he jumped to his death, but those are just
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: regards that think that closed window. Only the truest of
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: you will get that reference, all right. Frank Wilson had
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: fallen to his death from a tenth floor window, silled
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: after days after being given LSD without his knowledge or permission. However,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: the investigations were hampered by the fact that CIA director
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: Richard Holmes had ordered all records be destroyed by seventy three,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: but in seventy seven, sixteen thousand pages of documents relating
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: to the CIA's financial history were found following a foyer
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: by John Marx, a former State Department employee turned art
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: turned author. Marx and his research team managed to identify
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: and interview some of those involved in In nineteen seventy nine,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: he published that such for the Mancherian Candidate, the CIA
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: and Mind Control. This revealed that Cameron had begun to
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: receive money for his research from the CIA in nineteen
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: fifty seven. And then it's funny too, because in nineteen
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: fifty eight what's his name.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: Moved into the other place. This is all that going on. Oh,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: at the same time, this is like a movie.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: You could just do a movie like from fifty five
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: to the early sixties.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: And anyway, okay.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: Cameron had begun to receive money for his research from
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: the CIA in fifty seven via front organization called the
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology Good name.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: Mark showed that Cameron's research was Subproject sixty eight of
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: an extensive CIA. So you guys even wonder they kind
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: of in the other article glossed over that it's rumored,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: And now we have documents proving that this guy was
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: directly funded as a Subproject sixty eight them an extensive
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: CIA funded program of research into brainwashing and quote mind
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: control in quote run by doctor Sidney Gottlieb. That's the
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: head daddy of fucking mk LT poisoner in chief, a
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: chemist who was the head of the CIA's Technical Service
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: Division TA. The overall research program involved many leading psychologists, psychiatrists,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: and social scientists, some who were aware of the CIA's
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: role and some who were not. It was called k
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: MK meant it was a TSD project. And also that's
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: a German thing, the MK part. They left that out,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: and Ultra was a code name. According to Marx, CIA
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: officials would travel periodically to observe Cameron's work, something Page
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: Cooper alludes to in her.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: Story Big Circle, of course.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: So we're gonna watch clips from this what they're talking
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: about after I get done read in the article from this.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation the CBC fifth the
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: State program broadcasting investigation Cameron's experiments, including interviews with several
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 5: of Cameron's former patients. In the subsequent decade, three books
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: on the studies were published, including Ann Collins in the
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: sleep Room and We're going to watch a video about
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: the sleep Room, based on interviews with former patients In
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: nineteen eighty eight, the CIA finally agreed to an out
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: of court settlement with nine nine of Cameron's former patients,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: and there were hundreds, including Mary Morrow, who inspired the
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: character of Joy's stepmother de Rota in Page Cooper's story.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry that there's no context for who Page Cooper is,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: but she's somebody who they were talking to before they
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: wrote this book.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: But anyway, it led them to dig into this more.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: Morrow, a doctor, had approached Cameron for a fellowship in psychiatry,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: but he decided to admit her as a patient, claiming
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: she appeared quote nervous end quote she underwent Cameron's quote
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: deep patterning end quote regime of electro shock and barbituates
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: for eleven days. In nineteen ninety two, the Canadian government
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: agreed to pay compensation to seventy seven former patients on
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: condition that they agreed not to sue the government or
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: the hospital, but hundreds of other former patients were left
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: without shit. They said, compensation, but it's shit. The story
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 5: of Cameron's experiments is a long and complicated one, but
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: he should not be regarded as a rogue. As a
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: rogue Maverick during his time as director of the Allen
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: Memorial Institute. He was president in turn of the American
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and the World Psychiatric
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: Psychiatric Association, the World and American and Canadian. In the
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: nineteen fifties, the numbers of people in psychiatric hospitals were
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: at their peak and provided a captive population on which
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: overly optimistic psychiatrists could try out experimental methods with few safeguards.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: These were the days, for example, when lobotomies were routinely practiced.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: As we've covered, poorly designed studies such as Camemans were
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: published openly in mainstream psychiatric journals all the fucking time.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: In nineteen fifty five, Canadads Weekend magazine even included an
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: article on Cameron's work entitled quote Canadian psychiatrist developed beneficial
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: brainwashing clever beneficial brainwashing. I think we're going to watch
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: a clip that calls that a rather blatant oxymoron. Patients
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: and families deferred to the authority of psychiatrists. I thought
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: he was God, val Or Lecou said of Cameron, we
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: talked about her earlier. I think she was the one
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: that was like in a fucking tank for thirty five
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: days or whatever, and the CIA's research program began in
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: the midst of paranoia and suspicion about quote communist brainwashing
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 5: in quote following show trials in Moscow and Eastern Europe
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: and the coerced quote confessions end quote of captured US
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: servicemen in Korea in the early fifties. But this initially
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: defensive purpose was transformed and the program's results into manuals
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: the CIA used themselves and in the training of interrogators
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: in countries allied with the US or and the Cold War.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: An important lesson is that such paranoia, combined with secrecy
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: and a lack of oversight and accountability, can eat it
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: only lead to abuses, something also seeing in the UK's
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: use of interrogation techniques in Kenya's in the fifties and
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: Northern Ireland in the seventies. Following the attacks in New
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: York on eleven September two thousand and one, the Bush
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: administration embraced quote enhanced interrogation in quotes methods like waterboarding
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: water boarding, abandoning well established legal norms. Once again, some
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 5: psychologists proved willing to help design psychological interrogation techniques we
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: forgot the lessons of history then, and unless we keep
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: retelling the stories of the past, it is likely we
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: will forget them again in the future, and goddamn it,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: we have. I would say that guy Ewan, Yeah, he's
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 5: a rogue maverick.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: No fucking I mean, I would call him a rogue maverick.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean he was good.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: He had he had some key backing, of course, as
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: they always do. I would say him and doctor Sidney
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: Cohen are two people that you would want to look
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: into when you want to see Gottlieb is the head
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: of him.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: K Ultra Fuck that guy.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: It was like fucking Operation Artichoke or some ship first,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: and then.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: That's what Frank Olsen was involved with.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Frank Olsen was this guy contracting them. He was
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: a fucking government scientist and he got entangled in this
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: and took the dive. But yeah, anyway, I would say
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: Sidney Cohen looking to him, he's the guy who gave LSD.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: If you listen to a COULD series, he gave LSD
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: to What the fuck was the guy's name? Who did Sinnanan?
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: Chuck?
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 10: Chuck?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: Didrich? Yes, Didric and many others. I think he gave
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: it to.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: Carry Grant other notable people probably intermingled with the rat
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 5: Pack and the Laurel Canyon fucks.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: Say, you have pointed out to me that I have
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: remembered wrong some stuff about Frank Olsen in past episodes.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: Are we gonna rehash this year?
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not rehashed and shit, I'm just saying I
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: go off my memory and sometimes I get like dates
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: and certain thing.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you focused on the Frank Olsen story after reading
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 5: that book by what's his name, the Richeald Belzer.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: The stand up comedian.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Robert Belzer.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: I think it's Richard Richard Belzer.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: But yeah, Frank Olsen was not in charge of him Kilter,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 5: but he was one of the first casualty fuck ups internally.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, these fuckers were dosing each other at parties,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: they were doing. Operation Climax is probably one a lot
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: of people have looked into, if not look into, that
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 5: they were getting hookers to bring John's back to places
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: with two way mirrors. However, this is not an MK
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: ultracentric episode, but it's worth looking into. But the spillover
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 5: into the asylums and the experiments that went on there,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 5: So we did get a good taste of that. But
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: I do want to show some clips from a documentary
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: that is seeming to be covering a movie that they're
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: making about these events, but they actually like interlace real
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: documentary footage. So I clipped some stuff where it just
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 5: shows the real shit. And did you have anything you
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: wanted to say?
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: No, I'm curious to see what these clips are.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, it looks like it's just one big long one.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: It's about six minutes, So pause for a pee break
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: and get your little ones out of the room, you crazy.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: Fox if you've got them in there. Anyway, it's a
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: cosmic peach. I hope not.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: Some people is down with the peach in front of
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: their kids.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 5: I am, but this instance, keep the little ones away.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: So this is going to be going into doctor Ewan Cameron,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 5: who we've been talking about, speaking and then some tragic stories.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: We've got about a six minute clip, and then we'll
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: give our closing arguments and maybe lick our middle fingers
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 5: and tease for next week or week or whatever.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: It's going to fucking be I don't.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 9: Know, to the point where he is destroying the minds
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 9: of hundreds of people.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: These are the days and hours.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 9: Of the occasion.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 8: Inspired by the exuberant post war optimism in technology, Cameron
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 8: thought he'd achieved a major scientific breakthrough how to repair
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 8: a damaged human mind. The media rejoiced, even coined a
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 8: phrase which would become a tragically silly oxymoron, beneficial brainwashing.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 8: Linda McDonald was a young mother with five children the
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 8: age of five when she started feeling low. Her family
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 8: doctor knew just the man to make her better.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 24: I was tired, I was depressed. My back was hurting,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 24: and so he said to the children's father, why don't
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 24: you go to Montreal and visit this doctor Ewan Camera,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 24: this famous man who has all of these accolades, and
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 24: have an assessment.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 7: So we went.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 24: My medical file even says that I took my guitar.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 17: With me.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 24: And that was the end of my life. Within three weeks,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 24: doctor Cameron decided to call me in acute schizophrenic and
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 24: ship me up to the sleep room.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 25: How long did they put you to sleep?
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 6: For?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 24: I was in a coma for eighty six days, eighty
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 24: sixties unbroken sleep, total comatose state.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 8: The theory was simple, her a disturbed mind and start
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 8: all over again. One of doctor Cameron's colleagues at the
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 8: time was doctor Peter Roper.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 15: The aim, I think really was to wipe out the
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 15: patents of thought and behavior which were detrimental to the
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 15: patient which was sick, and replaced them with healthy patents
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 15: of thought and behavior. I think this may have been
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 15: stimulated by the effects of the American prisoners of war
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 15: and career, how they seemed to have been brainwashed.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 8: The movie called The Sleep Room dramatizes one technique for brainwashing,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 8: extreme sessions of electroshock therapy massive jolts of electricity, three
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 8: or four times a day for weeks. According to her
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 8: hospital records, Linda MacDonald had one hundred of these treatments.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 8: She entered hospital for treatment of what we can now
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 8: guess was postpartum depression. Her records show the results of
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 8: shock and radical drug therapy. May fifteenth shows some confusion.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 8: June third knows her name, but that's about all. June
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 8: eleventh doesn't know her name.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 24: I had to be toilet trained. I was a vegetable.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 24: I had no identity, I had no memory. I'd never
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 24: existed in the world before, like a baby, Just like
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 24: a baby that has to be toilet trained.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 8: She eventually went home, her depression gone and her entire
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 8: previous life gone with it.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 24: This is one of the twins.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 26: It was in sixty two before I went to the
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 26: alum and this is the same one.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 26: I just look at the pictures and I know who
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 26: that is, who they are, but I don't remember them
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 26: as my children at all. I mean, I know that
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 26: they came from my body, but there's no so that's
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 26: all I don't know. And that's because I was told that,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 26: so these are my children.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 8: Robert Logi was little more than a child himself when
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 8: he was referred to doctor Cameron. He was eighteen. He
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 8: had a sore leg. His doctor thought it was all
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 8: in his head and sent him to the Allen. Like
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 8: Lynda McDonald, he went through a nightmare of shock therapy
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 8: and drugs including lsd.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: Well I was given els to you about every second
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: day and injected and sometimes it was mixed with sody
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: mamatal and other drugs.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 13: Idiot Park one on one tape two.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 8: Most of the drugs were experimental but seemed suitable for brainwashing,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 8: or as Cameron preferred to call it, deep hatterning. Then
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 8: during the long sleep, the patient would be forced to
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 8: listen to subliminal messages that were supposed to print new,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 8: sometimes bizarre thoughts on his blank mind.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: I was aware of the speaker under my pillow. I
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: was aware of the words, which where you killed your mother,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: you kill your mother? Yeah, who was alive? And well,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: who was alive? Amount and.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 8: Over and over again.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: This voice is well, like I say, it takes about
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: two seconds to say that message. And this was going
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: on for twenty three days. And when I went home
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: after being there, and when I went home, my mother
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: was there and why was she there? And didn't make
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: any sense?
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 8: So what was going on here? Doctor Ewan Cameron was
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 8: at one point head of the World Psychiatric Association and
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 8: is still admired by some of his former colleagues. Doctor
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 8: Peter Roper, what is.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 25: The possibility that we had a good, well motivated man
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 25: whose ego and ambition took charge of his professionalism and
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 25: led him into some very direct places.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 15: Well, I would put that chances pretty slight. I think
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 15: it's more likely that if he'd been around to defend
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 15: himself when this story came out, we would have a
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 15: totally different picture of it.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 25: What would he say, put yourself in hissue. What would
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 25: he say.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 15: I think it'd say, Look, I treated these patients to
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 15: the best of my ability. I didn't get all of
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 15: them well, but most of them I got better than
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 15: they were.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 5: So once again, that's it. That's the fifth estate. And
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 5: I will give Julia the links for these all the
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 5: clips that we've showed, and she'll put them in the
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 5: show notes for you. I'd recommend watching all of it,
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 5: but as you can see, zero accountability from a close
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 5: colleague still alive, wearing a lap coat.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: In the interview.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 5: I don't know if they're trying to imply he's still practicing.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 5: I fucking hope not. But uh yeah, some of it
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 5: was a success, like, for example, that first woman who
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: went home not depressed, but you know what, she had.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: No memory of any of her life. It's like that
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: movie The Long Kiss Good Night with Geena Davis and
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: Samuel L. Jackson.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 5: But anyway, when you start thinking about MK ultra.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: Offshoots that still are not.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 5: You know, technically acknowledged, such as Monarch, and you look
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 5: at what they were doing to these people. This is
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 5: the nineteen fifties, and then you start to see oddities
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 5: with pop culture. The Laurel Canyon scene.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: Manchuran candidate type shit, and a lot of people were willing.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 5: To just wash this stuff out, throw the baby out
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 5: with the bathtub, as JJ would say, and just assume
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 5: that it's all an exaggeration. But they were putting an
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: infinite amount of resources into this stuff. We see the
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 5: aftermath of it today, and even though this is a
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 5: mental health slash insanity centric episode, you do have to
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 5: start wondering, like you're seeing the techniques developed. Yes, they
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: were using these people, these throwaways as guinea pigs, but
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 5: what did they do after this anyway?
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: Closing arguments, of course not there's no way.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 5: It's spilled over into the entertainment industry, politics, every facet
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 5: of your life. They where you want to think this
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: stuff doesn't exist. But yeah, the mentally ill are a
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 5: large part of the research that led to this furthering
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: of this kind of shit.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: It's the psychic driving the deep patterning.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 5: These are fucking terms that are acknowledged in the mainstream
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 5: that this guy was developing in this place and he
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 5: never lived to see his day in court, and he's
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 5: got a colleague willing to defend him right now, Well,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know what this was made, but it was
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 5: more recent, of course than that first documentary.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 4: They put that woman asleep for eighty six.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 5: Days, and then how about that poor kid in with
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 5: acid every other day. It almost seems like this was
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 5: kind of like.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: That thing going on in Houston.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: If you can get end up in this program from
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 5: having a sore leg, shit.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, Hey, my leg kind of hurts this
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: this is her venous ass.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: This is Canada.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 5: They will officially recommend suicide if you ask for a
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 5: fucking chairlift on your stairway. If you're a veteran, that's real.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 5: Or you have an earache, you're a tarded guy with
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: an earache, the Canadian government will put you out of
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 5: your misery. So you think it's crazy here, it is.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 5: We're living in crazy times. But a lot of this
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: stuff was going on north of the border. Hey, shout
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 5: out Davy Wavi, but we know you're not part of this.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 5: Well fuck, I mean, there's a reason the CIA doesn't
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 5: recognize borders.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, but okay, but do you think the CIA is
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 4: just running this all of it psychiatry, these Laurel encampments, pharmaceuticals,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 4: this is all like a big experiment.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 5: Yes, this is the legs of what is the top
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 5: of the table today, Like you can look back and
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 5: see this isn't a fucking conspiracy theory. These are fucking
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 5: legitimized accounts of what they were doing, what they were developing,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 5: using the dregs of society as guinea pigs. It wasn't
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 5: just the mentally ill people labeled mentally ill. It was prisoners,
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 5: it was everybody. You go, you get a hooker in
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 5: the fucking late sixties and San Francisco, you could have
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 5: stumbled into fucking Operation Climax.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, but that woman had postpartum.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 3: She felt what did they say? She felt a little
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 3: low a moment with five children, felt a little low.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 3: She felt low whatever that means. Whatever that means. I
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: have one kid and I feel loll sometimes. This bitch
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: has got five.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 5: They erased any memory of her lowliness, and she's no
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 5: longer depressed.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: I wonder, I just have.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: A feminine moment right now?
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: Please need more of that?
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 4: Doesn't it just speak to the incredible nature of God's
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 4: design of our bodies that you could go through something
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 4: like that and still manage to be okay, Like your
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 4: body tries to heal itself.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I would.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 4: Resume some type of normal life.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 5: I would argue that this woke territory that you're treading
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 5: lightly and trying to avoid exists because the foundation.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: Of it is absolutely true.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 5: I'm fucking woke to a degree when it comes to
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 5: you know, the what do.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: They call him?
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 5: Marginalized women being one and this is fucking recent And
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 5: she fell into this lady that got her mind raised,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 5: fell into that two thirds category, felt a little lull.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 5: Let's erase your entire fucking life as.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: A result, men and women, Sure, the ability to recuperate
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: after something like that with your spiriting, Well.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 5: The old guy, eighteen year old, given acid every other day,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 5: being psychically driven to believe that he killed his mother,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 5: goes home, his mom's alive.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: What were they doing with him?
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 5: Was he like a guy they never activated to pull off.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 3: Some kind of assassination?
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 5: Because the I mean, the icing's on the cake already.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 5: You know that hospital and they took this eighteen year
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 5: old kid in and they basically did what they did
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 5: to Ted Kaczynski at Harvard in this big timeframe we're
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 5: talking about here.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 4: But the ability to recuperate from that, it's amazing still
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 4: go on with your life.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 5: The human spirit is if nothing else resilient, there'd be
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 5: a lot of folks who would go through something similar
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 5: to what that man and woman in that clip went
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: through and they would not recover.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 4: Well, somebody that you and I have taught, and then
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 4: we'll do it like a closing statement. But somebody that
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 4: you and I both have talked about at nauseum is
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 4: Paul Banasi. How is he able to go like? He
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 4: has a family somewhere, he got married, he has kids.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 4: How do you go high?
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 5: If Paul Banasi is in fact not part of the syop,
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 5: and I do wonder about him, just because he is
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 5: so heavily entrenched in the John DeCamp Is it John?
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: And my cousin Bill Colby.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 5: He is part of that narrative, and he's so sensationalized
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 5: that he just might be the West Memphis three of
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 5: the Franklin Scandal, the fucking red Herring.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 4: Let's just say for argument sake that he's.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 5: Not okay if he's real, and I'm willing to entertain
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 5: that for sure, because I'm not willing to he is
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 5: part of the Big three witnesses that is on document
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 5: that you could prove that's real. He's a real person now,
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 5: whether he was snagged into this sy up or not.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 5: If he's a real person, I can't imagine the stuff
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 5: he's claimed, he's witnessed. He claims he's fractured into the
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 5: multitude of different people, and he's having a family somewhere.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: He's married, and he has kids, and he works the
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 4: jobs that's doing such.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, and not only was he fucking ritualistically abused
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 5: and passed around, he was part of the recruiting, picking
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 5: kids off the street, watching snuff films of people.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 4: He picked up street kid's in front of him.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, the fact that you could ever bounce back
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 5: from that is astounding to me and be a father.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I run over a squirrel and I have
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: a bad day. Same, So fuck that. Sorry, Paul, that
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: really sucks.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: Let's just say all of that is real, the real shit,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 4: and it might be. The resiliency of this spirit of
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 4: the human being is just remarkable to me sometimes that
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 4: you could go through a sleep room CIA experiment or
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 4: SRA or something like that and still somehow end up
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 4: being able to function.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 14: Later in life and raise kids and raise kids, not
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 14: pass your trauma in some fucking miraculous way, because we
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 14: all do.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 5: And if your trauma's deep, hopefully he's done the work.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 4: But think about his kids, right.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there is no model.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 4: In my opinion of pharmaceuticals or psychiatry that can heal
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 4: passed down trauma like that.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what you could do?
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 5: You and Cameron is dead, of course, but I'm sure
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 5: he has proteges floating around out there. I wonder if
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 5: that alcoholic doctor that venerated his name, you could erase
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 5: Paulvanacci's memory.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 3: They proved you could do that.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 4: Passed down trauma in his kids, because you know that
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 4: the a thing.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm not saying like heel that he shouldn't.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 5: I not would never state that he shouldn't be allowed
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 5: to have kids. But we all do it. Anybody with
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 5: kids out there knows that you try your best not to.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 5: It could be little things, it can be big things.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 4: Even if it's just spiritual what he's went through.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 5: Well, they talk about the epigenetics of trauma, study of
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 5: all that, and there's some interesting breadcrumbs to go off
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 5: and all that, and I believe it. I have shit
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 5: going on in my own family. That makes me think
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 5: there's generational fucking things that you can never escape.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: Like it's just a.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 4: Reality that Paulasi has your daddy right, Hopefully he's not
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 4: still fractured.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm like, what if one of his personalities is
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 5: that guy that fucking snagged Johnny Gosh off the street
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 5: or the guy that watched Hunter S.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: Thompson make snuff films.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 5: If that guy comes out during the diaper change or
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 5: bedtime story, those kids are fucking And that's why I was, Yeah,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 5: I was like not trying to like make it not
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 5: serious when I said.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: Hopefully he's done the work, because you can't.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, you can escape it to a level neither
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 5: one of us knows the level of trauma compared to
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 5: that guy. No, and you've had a rough life. I've
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 5: had a semi cush life, and you know, nobody's gotten
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 5: out scott free.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: But fuck.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 4: The The problem to me is the work that's available
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: for him to do. I don't think works. I think
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: it's all part of this fucking broken psychiatry system that
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 4: keeps people on a treadmill. I mean, you'd have to
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: go to that guy in fucking Africa, the shaman guy,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 4: and fucking do some serious spirit. I feel like you'd
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: have to heal your spirit before I don't know, before
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: you would think about wanting to have kids.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a heavy closing.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 4: What's this shit you got about Trump?
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 5: I forgot about this. I'm glad you reminded me so
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 5: to wrap this all up. And as Julia teased with
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 5: a question earlier, is where are we heading now? I
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 5: do want to give a caveat because you can always
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 5: spot opportunity to make Trump look bad. In my opinion,
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 5: the left and the liberal media always focus on the
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 5: stupid shit. They don't hardly ever show the stuff that
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 5: you actually should be afraid of because both sides are
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 5: doing it.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: But this.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 5: Clashing of mental illness and the homeless epidemic that not
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 5: only a few major cities are suffering from, like you
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 5: could say decades ago.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: It's everywhere now. We have it skirt into our neighborhood
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 3: on a regular occasion.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 4: I feel like our area is on the up fucking tick.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 4: And just just.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 5: To give a little tease, I would say Julia is
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 5: wrong only because I've lived here in this house for
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 5: five years and she didn't see it three years ago.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 5: When I couldn't walk to the downtown area without walking
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 5: through encampments.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 4: Guys, it's better than that.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 5: Well, what they did was and I don't know what
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 5: they did, but what on the outside looking in, what
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 5: they did was they got rid.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 3: Of all of it. I don't know how they did it.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 5: I know there was a big crackdown. So we're gonna
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 5: look at this on a national level. This is something
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 5: that I had seen in the headlines and I didn't
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 5: look into it more until Julia brought this topic to
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 5: me to do a series on because I remember hearing
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 5: that there was a big foot push in a bill
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 5: that Trump passed for normalizing mental institutions and the way
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 5: they were used previously in the stuff we've been covering
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 5: in this series so far. But I'll just close this
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 5: episode and then we can give our real closing arguments.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 5: But this is it looks like it's PBS interviewing an
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 5: MS or a Washington Post journalist, which you know, we
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 5: all anybody paying attention to the political sphere knows PBS
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 5: Washington Post has kind of made a swing back to moderate.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 5: But I do believe that they're covering something real here
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 5: and they're not like just going for the low hanging
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 5: fruit with Trump likely is often the case ninety nine
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 5: percent of the time, So keep that in mind.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 3: We are watching.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 5: An perspective from an angle against Trump anyway, But I
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 5: do believe and even in my own case, this is
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 5: a reason to be concerned. I do want to preface
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 5: this by saying this was January of twenty twenty five,
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 5: so this year, roughly what seven ish months ago.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 27: President Trump signed an executive or that makes it easier
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 27: for states to remove homeless encampments and force homeless people
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 27: into mental health or addiction treatment programs at least a
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 27: dayjour Dan explains.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 7: President Trump's order lays out his goal clearly.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 28: He wants to move more people who are homeless into
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 28: long term institutions and hospitals, including involuntarily. He also plans
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 28: a dramatic shift in federal funds away from programs that
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 28: place people into housing first and instead pushing for tougher
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 28: immediate requirements for treatment. Homeless rates have been steadily rising
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 28: since twenty seventeen. A federal count found that more than
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 28: seven hundred and seventy thousand people were living in shelters
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 28: or outside on a single night last year. For more
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 28: on this latest executive action and what it may mean,
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 28: I'm joined by David ob a national reporter focusing on
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 28: opioids and addictions for the Washington Post.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 7: There is a great deal in this order, David.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 28: First, does President Trump have the power to either encourage
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 28: or tell states that they need to put more people
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 28: in institutions, even involuntarily.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 13: Well, no, not not specifically. And that's one of the
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 13: interesting things about this order is that he's really they're
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 13: really trying to incentivize and push states into doing this. Remember,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 13: states set the their particular laws, they set their criteria
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 13: for how they handle involuntary commitments. So really this is
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 13: a state issue. But the federal government certainly has a
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 13: lot of sway, and they can for example, in the
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 13: executive order, they talk about prioritizing grants for states that
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 13: are jurisdictions that comply with this order and crack down
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 13: on open air drug use and you know other other
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 13: things to combat quote unquote vagrancy on the streets. So
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 13: certainly there are sort of incentives they can do to
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 13: kind of push states to doing this, and certainly Trump
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 13: has a lot of has a lot of sway. Nearly
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 13: among red states. So if states feel like they're going
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 13: to benefit by implementing a more robust involuntary commitment program,
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 13: then you know.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 28: Then they just might What does President Trump say he
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 28: is trying to do here, and how does that mesh
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 28: with what we know about substance abuse and mental illness
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 28: in this population in particular.
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 13: Well, I think Trump's message is something that does resonate
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 13: with a lot of people, particularly as we've seen in
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 13: cities where there are people camped out on sidewalks, where
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 13: there are people who are clearly grappling with mental illness
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 13: in a very visible public way. And so you know,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 13: whether you're seeing it firsthand or you're watching it on TV,
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 13: certainly this is something that concerns people, right, but of
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 13: course in a very Trump way. It's also sort of
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 13: loaded with very fear inducing language. Right. It's you know, vagrancy,
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 13: it's people are you know, having violent confrontations on the street.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 13: And when you talk to advocates for the homeless, advocates
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 13: for people with mental whoor dealing with mental illness, you know,
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 13: they they point out that most people that are dealing
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 13: with mental illness are not you know, getting arrested, They're
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 13: not you know, violently lashing out at people. But it's
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 13: when these things happen in a very high profile way,
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 13: like we've seen happen in New York City for example,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 13: you know, they they you know, tend to grab a
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 13: lot of headlines. So these are real fears that that
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 13: that manifest themselves in our cities. But it kind of
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 13: gets you know, really amped up by some of the rhetoric.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 28: Where are the advocates on the tension here. Obviously there's
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 28: a public concern you talked about that, but what are
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 28: their concerns about this idea of stepped up involuntarily moving
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 28: people into hospitals.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 13: Well, I think the the overarching fears that we might
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 13: return to, you know, decades to policies at decades past
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 13: where people were unjustly uh and unfairly being held in
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 13: asylums for you know, months and years, against against their
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 13: will and not really getting the right kind of treatment
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 13: or maybe they weren't supposed to be there in the
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 13: first place. So that's sort of the overarching fear. But
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 13: I think I think the fact that you know, there's
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 13: there's a lot of public health dollars that are being
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 13: cut right now, and so some of that money, they say,
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 13: should be better spent on helping people in treatment and
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 13: not just locking them away, you know, sort of indefinitely.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 28: You know, I spoke to a man who's almost eighty
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 28: who's experiencing homeless is now, has for a long time.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 28: He is one of those roughly one third in that
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 28: population who's also dealt with serious mental illness as we're
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 28: talking about, and he said he just does not think
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 28: there's room in the system, in the hospitals, in shelters
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 28: for these kinds of populations.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 7: What do we know about that?
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 13: Right, Well, there is limited bedspace, and you know, you know,
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 13: in Florida, where I'm normally based, you see, you know,
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 13: there's been a lot of forensic hospitals that have closed
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 13: because there has been this push in recent decades to
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 13: get people out into the community and to get them
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 13: getting treatment out in the community and not in a
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 13: locked up facility. So there really is not a lot
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 13: of bedspace. And with budgets being strapped the way that
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 13: they are these days, particularly with cuts coming from DC,
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 13: you know, it's going to you know, states and community
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 13: is going to be hard pressed to really build those
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 13: facilities and be able to meet the needs of the
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 13: people that are looking to be that people want to
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 13: put away.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 28: David Avaya, thank you for your reporting on complex issues.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 7: We really appreciate talking with us today.
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 13: Thank you.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 5: Well, I'll just say that that issue in itself is
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 5: a whole episode, and.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 3: There's some extreme views on it.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 5: I find myself in the large gray area on the
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 5: mental illness slash homelessness slash addiction thing that it's interesting
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 5: to me January would have been Trump just worn in,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 5: so this was one of the first things he prioritized.
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 5: And I don't hear a lot of talk, but I
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 5: do hear some conspiratorial shit about truck drivers going to
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 5: these treatment centers and driving away with sealed meat containers.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 5: Oh god, this is a ground zero. With Clyde Lewis
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 5: I listened to quite often, and he's had these truck
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 5: drivers calling in the last few months, probably since the
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 5: beginning of the year, where they're going to these addictions
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 5: slash mental health places and they have sealed containers and
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 5: it's labeled meat, and they drive them to ports and
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 5: they have to drop them off and drive away.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 3: If you want to get conspiratorial about what's going.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 4: On McDonald's, I don't even know we're eating homeless people.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 5: Well at least they're shipping it away, So don't eat
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 5: mc donald's overseas.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 4: Everybody, they're shipping it away.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my thoughts on the nuances of that.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, there's there's so much you could say
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 5: about it. But it does look like like this guy
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 5: wasn't plane. It's a slippery slope in ways back to.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 3: Medieval times is old. I just got the like a
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: motherfucker really still going on.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm somewhere in it, like I'm somewhere in the
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 4: middle between these no human being. It's just a trash
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 4: person that you can just throw away.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 5: Especially people that are in need of some kind of help.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 5: Oftentimes they're not, but even the ones that are, Yeah.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 4: To me, it's like, I'm not, I'm not. I can't
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 4: get on board. We just like to throw a human
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 4: being away somewhere, even just because they're homeless.
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 5: So what well, if you can can't, if you can
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 5: throw a human being away for any.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: Reason, then you can, and all sorts of reasons too.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: And that's where we are.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 4: Like if you took somebody that had never like you
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 4: took somebody from like another fucking planet or something, and
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 4: you brought them to Earth and they were like, what
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 4: are these people that are like intense all over the place?
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 4: Those are the garbage people. Well, they're the fucking trash people.
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: At least they're recycling.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 23: You know.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is like, we don't take care of.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 5: Our yeah, And I think that's one of the overlying
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 5: points of this whole series. Really is this condition that
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 5: humanity finds itself in. And it's been an issue since
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 5: we went back in episode one of it for what
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 5: centuries like documented, but we can imagine that it's always
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 5: been here, and the way we've dealt with it has
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 5: gone into some dark fucking places, and we're still in
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 5: the middle of that.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 4: I feel unsafe and I get out at the gas
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 4: station at night and there's like a homeless dude with
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 4: one shoe on, just babbling away at himself. I don't
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 4: feel like I want to get out of the car.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 4: I especially feel uncomfortable when they come up and ask
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 4: you for stuff. But the next time that happens to you,
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 4: you got to stop and think, if we had a
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 4: system that took care of people like this, there wouldn't
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 4: be homeless guys on meth with one shoe at the
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 4: gas station. You're begging you for me. We don't take
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 4: care of our omanies.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a whole spectrum. Like just a little anecdote.
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 5: I had stopped for I don't remember what.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 9: I think.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 5: I was getting a beer and some pouches, and this
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 5: guy's like, are you getting some food in there?
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 3: Men?
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 5: And he looked like he'd been hiking in the woods
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 5: and not showered in a while.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 3: He was totally coherent.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 5: He fucking told me, well, why don't you if you're
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 5: getting some food stuff, you could give me some money
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 5: and then you can use my food card. So the
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 5: guy was wanting to buy booze or something apparently. Yeah,
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 5: and you know that kind of shit. That's not a
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 5: homeless guy that's been only ill and there there's the
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 5: people that nine times out of ten don't even know
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 5: you're there and they don't interact with you. But I
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 5: guess the conversation we had this sparked your desire to
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 5: do this entire series. That guy is a fucking local
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 5: legend in Ashland, Oregon. I mean, he was a homeless
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 5: person who did interact with the community in big ways
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 5: throughout the years.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 3: And what do you do?
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: He might have killed somebody.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 5: He might have killed somebody he tried to get He
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 5: was institutionalized to the point where he preferred to be
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 5: locked up, so they let him out one time, and
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 5: he went to the overpass and started throwing shit into
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 5: the freeway into traffic so he could go back to
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 5: jail and get three squares in a cot.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 4: But he might have misheddied some guys.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 3: Well that was Yeah.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 5: There was a local you know, I've not been living
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 5: here too long, a few couple of years maybe, And
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 5: a guy got his head damn near cut off on
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 5: this local bike path that runs through the entire series
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 5: of towns and cities here in southern Oregon. And some
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 5: people thought this homeless guy did it. It's never been solved.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 5: But that's a whole other conversation.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 4: So that's where I'm at. It's like, are certain homeless
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 4: situations dangerous?
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 3: First?
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 4: Yes they are, and there are crazy.
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 5: Is it the majority? It's dangerous some places? I think
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 5: so I don't.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 3: Feel relatively night on skid row. I'm not spending the
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: night two blocks that way.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 4: But you know what I'm saying, though, is like I
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 4: don't think these people should be thrown away.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and we have nothing for them.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 3: Not anything.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 5: Objectively beneficial. And you know, it's a common problem here.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 5: Like I said, in this area, there was a sweep.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 5: But we're in a city that's, you know, roughly thirty
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 5: miles from the California border and then you go forty
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 5: five minutes north of US and they're just letting these
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 5: fuckers take over the city parks. Families don't frequent the
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 5: parks at all anymore. You're if you're lucky enough to
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 5: find a swing set away from the encampments, it's probably
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 5: got fucking syringes that you might step on, Oh my god.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 5: And the people are sick of it. And it's a
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 5: fairly conservative town. I'll say it's Grant's Pass, Oregon. And
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 5: every fucking morning, if I'm skimming through the radio and
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 5: talk radio, it's likely a topic that comes up and
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 5: there is no answer that a liberal state is offering.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 5: And then the conservative states and people like Trump go
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 5: so far the other way. And yeah, there's not a
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 5: lot of fucking nuance when you look to the problem
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 5: solve that do have influence over society. So it's a
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 5: it's an issue that's not going away, and in our
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 5: society that seems to drive people close to insanity over
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 5: the edge. I would argue, with all the noise of
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 5: modern day society, we are breaking people left and right.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 4: And nobody can afford to live.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just a whole fucking cluster fuck conglamoration of
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 5: a whole lot of issues in Minilinness is right in
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 5: the middle of all.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 3: But anyway, enjoy your evening everybody.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, it would be nice to see it,
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 4: you know, put just post in the comments section, like
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 4: what your thoughts on all this are. I mean, I
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 4: know Colby reads the comments all the time.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 5: Right If I go on Spotify and go to the thing,
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 5: if I'm re listening to anything you've posted else comments,
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 5: But I.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 3: Don't know, there's not a lot.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 5: Well I'm just saying that I could. I could check
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 5: there is wherever you listen. I don't know you could
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 5: comment on Spotify or Apple Podcasts or Patreon. Yeah, this
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 5: is an issue that has probably affected everybody. If not
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 5: familiar familially, whatever that word was supposed to be, it's
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 5: probably at least on the outskirts of your life. Whether
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 5: we're talking mental illness, homelessness, addiction, and the various mistreatments
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 5: of all of the above. I mean, yeah, sure, pharmaceuticals, pharmaceuticals,
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I.
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 4: Think this is a killer episode. I had a lot
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 4: of fun putting my stuff together and watching that documentary
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 4: I sent you because I was like, what the fuck
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 4: is it?
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean, at the rate we're going, we
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 5: could probably do a ten part episode on this topic
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 5: and just dive into the weeds. But I think we're
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 5: bringing a lot of the like, you know, somewhat known stuff,
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 5: but looking a little deeper into it.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 3: Like even someone like me.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 5: Who has researched this for years, I've come across a
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 5: lot of new stuff to looking into it from this angle.
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 5: And like you, sharing that documentary, you know, that brought
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 5: a lot of stuff to light that I assumed wasn't
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 5: that prevalent in that time period in the nineteen nineties.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think we're gonna have even more fun
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 4: in the next episode.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 5: Well, this next episode will be the funnest one. Yeah,
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 5: even though it's going to be all about the same topic,
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 5: it's it's going to be you know, think of all
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 5: your favorite movies that are at least somewhat focused around
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 5: these issues we've been talking about, and I'm sure you
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 5: can think.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 4: Of plenty or shows or like whatever you know for movies.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 5: And you know, I also want to at some point,
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 5: and it'll probably be in next episode, talk about almost
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 5: the fetishization.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: Of mental illness that I see.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 5: Especially in younger women, and it's almost like part of
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 5: your he her, You're neurodivergent, You're on the spectrum. And
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 5: people definitely are quick these days because of the programming
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 5: coming from all angles to categorize themselves in these places.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 5: Just self diagnose. And of course anxiety is common and
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 5: we all have it at times, and some of us
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  Speaker 5: have it more than others, But just to label yourself
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  Speaker 5: as neurodivergent somewhere on the spectrum, I'm asked for agree
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  Speaker 5: on Tuesdays Thursdays, I'm a little you know, and it's
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  Speaker 5: I'm not It's it's something you can make light of,
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  Speaker 5: but it's all it's also a social contagion. So you know,
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  Speaker 5: if we have time to dig in through all the
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  Speaker 5: fun pop culture references of insanity, maybe we'll cover like
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  Speaker 5: a little bit of like what we just see in
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  Speaker 5: our day.
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  Speaker 3: To day lives.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and quote unquote normal people, normal people, which is.
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  Speaker 3: Your everyday people.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, your cousins, your daughters, your sons, your uncles, your bosses.
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  Speaker 3: You can see it anywhere. Yeah. Yeah, people still wearing masks.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe I have a couple movies in a show that
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  Speaker 4: I want to talk about. You got a couple movies
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  Speaker 4: and stuff. And it's like you said, we'll kind of
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  Speaker 4: dive all over the place. But I hope everyone out
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  Speaker 4: there is enjoying this series so far. Leave comments, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, share whatever. And with that being said, there
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  Speaker 4: is one very important, vital piece of information I need
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  Speaker 4: you to learn just as soon as humanly possible.
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  Speaker 1: Were nevertheless miscovings not with standing. Nevertheless, you need to
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  Speaker 1: sign nevertheless. It's best if you cooperate, think of the
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  Speaker 1: sake of your mind.
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  Speaker 22: Best to relax and focus on your breathing. You're gonna
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  Speaker 22: feel a tiny sting when you wake up. The program
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  Speaker 22: will initiate. You won't remember a thing.
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  Speaker 29: No sense fining, stop resisting such bad TiAl.
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  Speaker 22: Such promise, wee promise. I just stepped out the Wiams
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  Speaker 22: except for walking getting.
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  Speaker 29: A lay of the land.
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  Speaker 22: Really no place to which I am long.
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  Speaker 29: I don't have much of a plan.
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  Speaker 16: I'm ready to go ignor.
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  Speaker 1: Of confusion, ready to taste.
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  Speaker 22: So called so blind, Perish the doubt.
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  Speaker 3: It's only a delusion.
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  Speaker 11: Look you, we've.
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  Speaker 9: Found you the time.
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  Speaker 22: No sense, fine.
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  Speaker 30: Staryss, such fine, such charm and priss, such proseno scar
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  Speaker 30: scared
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  Speaker 13: Skin, skin,