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Lizzo Sued, Gay Bachelorette and Erika Jayne with Kimberly Archie · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: this is the juiciest lawsuit, and it is proving to be,
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  Speaker 1: I think, going to be very hard for Lizzo to
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  Speaker 1: recover from. um so let me just get into you
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  Speaker 1: may have heard about it Lizzo has been sued by
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  Speaker 1: three of her former dancers slash employees and it is
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  Speaker 1: really bad the things that they um write in this
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit makes her look to be an awful person and
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe that these um dancers had to go
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  Speaker 1: through it so let me just like walk you through
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  Speaker 1: it because there's so much info it broke yesterday Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: and um So listen, anyone can file a lawsuit. However,
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  Speaker 1: most attorneys don't take on a lawsuit unless they think
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  Speaker 1: that they can win it. And the way they realize
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  Speaker 1: they can win it is they really investigate what you're
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  Speaker 1: claiming and why you should sue. And they did a
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  Speaker 1: press conference, two of the girls that are suing, and
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  Speaker 1: everything has been laid out in the lawsuit, which is public.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gathering all the information I have. And then,
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  Speaker 1: of course, I'm going to get into The fact that
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  Speaker 1: some other people that are not part of the lawsuit
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  Speaker 1: that have worked for Lizzo and performed with Lizzo are
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  Speaker 1: really kind of yes-anding this info and saying that was
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  Speaker 1: my experience too. So three former tour dancers, Ariana Davis,
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  Speaker 1: Crystal Williams, and Noel Rodriguez, have sued singer Lizzo and
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  Speaker 1: her company Big Girl Big Touring Inc. for sexual harassment.
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  Speaker 1: racial and religious discrimination, and creating a hostile work environment,
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  Speaker 1: degrading sexual behavior, and forced to participate in disturbing sex
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  Speaker 1: shows during a trip to Amsterdam in February 2023. So
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  Speaker 1: let's just start with that because that is like the weirdest.
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  Speaker 1: So in just this past February, they were on tour
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  Speaker 1: and Lizzo said, let's go to the Amsterdam Red Light
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  Speaker 1: District live sex show. Let's all go. And the girls
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  Speaker 1: are now saying, you know, they kind of felt like
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  Speaker 1: even if they didn't want to, they had to go
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  Speaker 1: and they had to hang out and party and be
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  Speaker 1: part of it. Otherwise, there was this feeling if you
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  Speaker 1: didn't participate that your job could be in jeopardy. I've
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  Speaker 1: been in a situation like that. And yeah, you don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be the one that, you know, doesn't go
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  Speaker 1: to the next party after, miss all the scoop, possibly
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  Speaker 1: we talked about, and then look as you're not a
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  Speaker 1: good time, you're not participating. However, this is pretty disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: So they go to the Amsterdam thing and it's called,
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  Speaker 1: this place called Bananen Bar, but banana is in the
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  Speaker 1: name because what she wanted was for her dancers to
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  Speaker 1: participate in this live sex show. And she made them
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  Speaker 1: touch the nude dancers. She wanted them to eat the
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  Speaker 1: banana from a woman who inserted it inside of herself.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so gross. And they really felt like they
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  Speaker 1: were forced. It was uncomfortable. Absolutely awful. The lawsuit states,
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  Speaker 1: things quickly got out of hand. Lizzo began inviting cast
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  Speaker 1: members to take turns touching the nude performers, catching dildos
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  Speaker 1: launched from the performers' vaginas, and eating bananas protruding from
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  Speaker 1: the performers' vaginas. That is what the lawsuit says. Lizzo
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  Speaker 1: then turned her attention to Ariana Davis and began pressuring
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  Speaker 1: Miss Davis to touch the breasts of one of the
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  Speaker 1: nude women performing.
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  Speaker 2: At the club.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Charlene Quigley is the captain of Lizzo's dance team,
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  Speaker 1: and they are saying that she also forced her religious
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  Speaker 1: beliefs on the plaintiffs and took repeated actions that made
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  Speaker 1: them uncomfortable, including commenting about their sexual virginity. So one
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  Speaker 1: girl was a virgin, and this woman who was like,
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  Speaker 1: always talking about Jesus and being super Christian, was like
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with it. But then at the same time, the
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit says that this same woman would talk about her
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  Speaker 1: fantasies and would take a banana, but not in Amsterdam,
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  Speaker 1: another banana and act like she was doing sex acts
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  Speaker 1: with it and all these things. And then be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you shouldn't be thinking about sex or masturbating, but something
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  Speaker 1: happened to me today. So talking a lot about sex
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  Speaker 1: while they're trying to work and be in and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just made them very uncomfortable. The other thing that they
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  Speaker 1: did was one day, according to the lawsuit, allegedly Lizzo
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know what? I just, I think that
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  Speaker 1: you guys were drinking last night, which they claim they weren't.
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  Speaker 1: And therefore we're going to have a re-audition. And she
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  Speaker 1: just worked them for 12 hours straight. And they couldn't
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  Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. And one girl was like, I
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  Speaker 1: have to pee. I have to pee. And she was
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  Speaker 1: basically made to feel like if she left to pee
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  Speaker 1: that she would lose her job. And so she ended
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  Speaker 1: up having to soil herself. And that's where the part
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  Speaker 1: of the lawsuit comes in with false imprisonment is what
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  Speaker 1: they're also claiming, that they were like false imprisoned. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is just, this is really, really, really bad. Then
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  Speaker 1: this is also very interesting. The lawsuit claims that Big Girl,
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  Speaker 1: Big Turing Company, treated the black members of the dance
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  Speaker 1: team differently than the other members accused. including accusing black
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  Speaker 1: dancers of being, quote, being lazy, unprofessional, and having bad attitudes,
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  Speaker 1: while none of these same allegations were leveled against the
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  Speaker 1: white dancers who are not black. They said the management
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  Speaker 1: team was predominantly white, and this is what they were feeling.
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  Speaker 1: Lizzo allegedly suspected that the dance team, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: to an excruciating re-audition. This was just in April.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And then at the end of it, they were fired.
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  Speaker 1: Two of the girls that are part of the lawsuit
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  Speaker 1: were fired. And they said due to budget cuts was
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  Speaker 1: why they said they were fired. But Lizzo aggressively approached Ms. Rodriguez,
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  Speaker 1: cracking her knuckle, bawling her fist and exclaiming, quote, you're lucky.
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  Speaker 1: You're so fucking lucky. And then stuck both middle fingers
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  Speaker 1: up and said, bye, bitch. And that's the way she
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  Speaker 1: was fired. And it was in front of other people.
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  Speaker 1: So that adds to, you know, just the humiliation. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, my God. And then there was lots of
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  Speaker 1: things that came out, you know, on all social media saying,
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  Speaker 1: just reminding us of some of the other awful things
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  Speaker 1: that Lizzo has done. Now, Lizzo became so popular because
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  Speaker 1: she was body positive. She didn't look like every other diva.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't have a body like Beyonce.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But she was fun, and she was sassy, and of
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  Speaker 1: course she can create and perform great songs. Then she
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  Speaker 1: had this show that was about big girls, and everyone
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  Speaker 1: loved that too, that big girls that were not your
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  Speaker 1: typical dancer bodies but could totally dance. She was featuring
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  Speaker 1: them on her show, and she did a documentary about
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  Speaker 1: hiring them. Well, now there is this one woman named
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  Speaker 1: Sophia who was going to be the director of this
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  Speaker 1: documentary called She has put out on her social media
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  Speaker 1: about how this is what she experienced when she was
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  Speaker 1: going around with Lizzo for two weeks. And she said,
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  Speaker 1: I've never been around someone who is so arrogant and
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  Speaker 1: pompous and troublemaker. people so badly that after two weeks,
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  Speaker 1: I decided, you know what? I don't want this job
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  Speaker 1: directing your documentary. I don't care how good it is
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  Speaker 1: for my career. You're, you know, a nightmare. I'm paraphrasing.
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  Speaker 1: But basically, so she's like saying, hey, whatever these girls
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  Speaker 1: are saying based on my opinion, I'm going to believe them.
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  Speaker 1: Then Lizzo's former creative director also shared support for the lawsuit.
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  Speaker 1: This girl is named Quinn Wilson. And she said, for clarification,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not part of the lawsuit, but this was very
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  Speaker 1: much my experience in my time there. Big shout-outs to
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  Speaker 1: the dancers who had the courage to bring this to light.
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  Speaker 1: And basically the two girls in their press conference are like,
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  Speaker 1: We have decided to come forward because we just don't
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  Speaker 1: think anyone else should ever be treated like this. And
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  Speaker 1: we need to, like, warn the future dancers of Lizzo. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Lizzo has not made a statement. It's only been, you know,
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  Speaker 1: 24 hours since this has come out. She has not
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  Speaker 1: gone on her Instagram or said anything. Now, the other girl,
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  Speaker 1: the girl who they said was pushing her Christianity and
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  Speaker 1: her religion on the girls... She did a quick post
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  Speaker 1: right when it came out, just like in her car.
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  Speaker 1: And she was just like, well, I feel blessed and
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  Speaker 1: the spirit's with me. And, you know, very, so that's
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  Speaker 1: very bizarre. So these are all the things. Also, the
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  Speaker 1: other things that has come out is Beyonce had a
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  Speaker 1: part of her song, she's on tour right now, where
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  Speaker 1: In the song, she says a bunch of names, including
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  Speaker 1: Erykah Badu. And she also said Lizzo. Like, these are
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  Speaker 1: all these great, iconic, you know, black female singers. And
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  Speaker 1: last night, after the news broke, someone, you know, filmed
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  Speaker 1: the concert. And we saw that she changed the name.
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  Speaker 1: She eliminated Lizzo's name from the song and just said
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  Speaker 1: Erykah Badu, Erykah Badu, Erykah Badu, Erykah Badu. Now, also...
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that was because she was giving
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  Speaker 1: an extra tribute to Erykah Badu because Erykah came forward
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  Speaker 1: and said, put like two side-by-side outfits of her with
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  Speaker 1: this big hat on and Beyonce and kind of was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm everybody's stylist now. And I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: if it was like, thanks girl. Like you kind of
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  Speaker 1: want to get it out. Like I did it first,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not really mad about it. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: don't you have good taste? But wink, wink, just so
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  Speaker 1: you guys know, I wore this like, 20 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: And Beyonce being like, you're right, girl, you're the queen.
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  Speaker 1: It could have been that. But it also could have been, oh,
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  Speaker 1: isn't this convenient? I'm going to give a little extra,
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  Speaker 1: you know, props to Erykah Badu. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: leave out Lizzo. Yesterday was JLo's birthday, her 54th birthday.
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  Speaker 1: And she did some bikini shots. And she promoted her
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  Speaker 1: alcohol line. And she was dancing on a table with
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  Speaker 1: all her friends. To Lizzo. And I saw it come
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  Speaker 1: through the feed of whatever. She put it out on
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  Speaker 1: her social media. And she had the Lizzo song going.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, she's probably enjoying her day.
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  Speaker 1: And everyone's probably just focused on her birthday. And this
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  Speaker 1: is the song they're dancing to. And they put it out.
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  Speaker 1: So it's going to be one of those things where
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  Speaker 1: now you're going to... And I looked to see if
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  Speaker 1: anyone in the comments got that like, oh, really, J-Lo?
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: You don't know what's going on with Lizzo? But yeah,
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: for the hardcore Lizzo fans, this is a really hard
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  Speaker 1: pill to swallow. I mean, again, you can say, let's
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  Speaker 1: wait and see. The fact that there's three of them
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  Speaker 1: all experiencing the same thing, they will probably get depositions
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  Speaker 1: from other dancers that might have been present when the
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  Speaker 1: girl was forced to pee in her pants or when
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  Speaker 1: she was fired or when they were at the Amsterdam thing.
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  Speaker 1: And if they get deposed, even if they're still working
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  Speaker 1: for Lizzo and want to stay working for Lizzo and
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  Speaker 1: didn't mind and had a great time eating the banana
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  Speaker 1: and like love every minute of it, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to tell the truth. At least they should. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll see. Now, could this all just get settled right away?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. The only thing I found is that
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  Speaker 1: they're asking for $ 75, 000. So it's not an outrageous amount.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that they wanted to come forward versus
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  Speaker 1: going to her and trying to just settle out of court.
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  Speaker 1: They clearly were like, you know what? We want the
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: world to know. So we don't want to settle out
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  Speaker 1: of court and sign an NDA. We want the world
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  Speaker 1: to know what a horrible bitch she was to us.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know. I mean, I've always liked her.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: I've always liked her music. Oh, a couple other things
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  Speaker 1: that we were reminded of in the last 24 hours
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  Speaker 1: is when she Was awful to the DoorDash person. Let
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  Speaker 1: me remind you of this story. Lizzo ordered DoorDash while
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: she was at a hotel. She went on her social
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  Speaker 1: media and she's like, this is the DoorDash person. She
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  Speaker 1: had the person's name or whatever from the app. She
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: stole my food. The DoorDash person claims, and I guess
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: it was proven to be true, that she went to
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  Speaker 1: the hotel and because Lizzo didn't call down and say, hi,
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  Speaker 1: I'm expecting DoorDash. Please allow her to come up to
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  Speaker 1: my room 806.
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  Speaker 4: The....
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  Speaker 1: The hotel didn't know. She probably used like a fake name.
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  Speaker 1: No one could figure it out. And after 10 minutes,
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  Speaker 1: the DoorDash girl had to go without delivering the food,
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  Speaker 1: without receiving a tip. Then the DoorDash girl starts to
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: get attacked by all of Lizzo's people because she put
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: it out there exposing this poor girl. So that was
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: really screwed. Another person came forward on social media saying, um,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: I worked at a lounge in which the bill was $ 3, 000
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  Speaker 1: and she tipped a hundred. So there's just been a
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: lot of things she had, um, People wondered if there
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: was a beef with Taylor Swift at all or that
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  Speaker 1: she was just kind of coming for Taylor Swift, though
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  Speaker 1: I always feel like Taylor would just be above it.
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  Speaker 1: And people thought that because somebody at Lizzo's concert had
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: a sign saying, I didn't go to Taylor Swift so
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  Speaker 1: I could go to you. And out of all the signs,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Lizzo picked that up and showed it. And people thought
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: that was sort of like a diss, like not really
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  Speaker 1: supporting another female performer instead of, you know, letting that
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  Speaker 1: go or being like, hey, you could go to both
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. That's my girl. Nothing like that. So there's
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  Speaker 1: something kind of weird there. And like with the Beyonce thing,
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  Speaker 1: who knows if they were ever friends or if this
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  Speaker 1: was just part of the song because Lizzo is so
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  Speaker 1: beloved until yesterday. And since until yesterday, she was really,
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  Speaker 1: really beloved. So that just very weird. We'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see. what happens with these girls. But I mean, I,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is really, really bad. It
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  Speaker 1: reminded me though, it reminded me of when Madonna had
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: her documentary truth or dare. One of the first documentaries
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: we ever saw, it was black and white and it
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  Speaker 1: was her on the road. She was only 30 and
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: her dancers are 31 and her dancers were 20. It
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: was a truth or dare, uh, to her. And they
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: were all gay. And, you know, that was kind of
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: interesting to see because at the time we probably knew
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: they were gay, but people weren't like out and living
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: their gay life back then. And there was a lot
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: of sexual talk and everything and hanging out, but never any,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nothing like this bullying and abuse of it. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it reminds me of also, okay, a little
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  Speaker 1: juicy scoop, Bravo history. Do you remember when in Real
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  Speaker 1: Housewives of Dallas, they went to Thailand and they went
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  Speaker 1: to the red light district. And I can't remember which
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  Speaker 1: housewife had an issue with it, but they went and
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  Speaker 1: they were like, they didn't bring cameras, but they're like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to go and see this show where the
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: ping pong things happen. And then later on people like
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: that is really weird. And you know, and one didn't
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: want to go or one said I wasn't comfortable going. And,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I think going forward, no, if
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: you're going to go to these shows, which you have
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: every right to go and, sex workers in other countries
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: can do what they want or hear. But yeah, I
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: definitely would not force, even if you guys think you're
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: best friends, again, it's very hard when you're on tour,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: whether you're comedians or dancers or singers or on a
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: reality show and you're on tour or traveling, it's really
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: hard for you to be like, wait, stop. This is
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: a work experience. I did my dancing and I would
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: like to go home and take a shower and not
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: go to the red light district and eat bananas with you, Lizzo.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I really wouldn't.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I hope that means I can still have my job tomorrow.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of 20-something-year-old dancers who are
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: on a huge tour are having the time of their
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: life when everybody else is going in the van to
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: go to the place, whether it's just getting a drink
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: after or a regular nightclub or an uncomfortable sex situation.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's really hard to be like, nope. I'm
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: done for the day. I did my duty. I'll see
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you at eight tomorrow.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Goodbye.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And not have that possibly affect the vibe, which then affects,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you know what? Maybe I don't need to see that,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you know, big bummer over there coming on my next
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: tour when the rest of the people tell me how
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: great I am, eat the bananas and touch the new
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: dancers when I say and do whatever I want. And,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you know, so it sounds like she was one of
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: those type of people. So we'll see.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: She's still.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Extremely talented, but we'll see how long this takes and
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: what the rest of the attitude is and how her
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: fans react. Meanwhile, Taylor Swift gave $ 50 million in bonuses
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to everybody that worked on her tour, from the top
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: people to the dancers, to the truck drivers, to the electricians.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: It equaled $ 50 million. And of course the tour made
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: a whole lot, but that's always a really nice thing
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: to do And it was also really smart to get
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: that out to the public because when people give big bonuses,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: oftentimes it gets leaked somehow and you wonder, how did
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: that get leaked? But you know what? It's still very
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: nice and everyone loves Taylor. It's good for her. Meanwhile,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Cardi B, who we talked about on the last show.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: threw the mic at the girl, not even the one
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: that threw the water at her after she said, splash
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: water on me, splash water on me. Later on, a
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: girl splashed water, but it hit her in her face.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: She didn't like that. She threw the mic and it
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: hit this other girl. And the other girl did report
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: it to the police. So I assume there'll be a
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: battery charge and maybe she's getting an attorney. We'll see.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Cardi B will just want to settle that
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and make that go away. But the microphone is now
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: on sale for sale on eBay, according to TMZ. Cardi
• 21:02
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  Speaker 3: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 21:49
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  Speaker 6: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: filed against me.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: what would you do if it was given back?
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I need a home dad.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 22:20
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• 22:22
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• 22:24
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• 22:25
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• 22:27
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• 22:33
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• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me just, this is moving to some good
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: news coming from a sad story. Lori Vallow, worst mother
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: on earth, talked a lot about it on this show.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: This is the woman who was on trial for killing
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: her two kids, and she has gotten life sentences. She's
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: been convicted of murdering her two children, Tylee and JJ,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and conspiring to kill her husband's first wife, Tammy. She
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: has been sentenced to life imprisonment without parole. And she
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: was convicted of the plot that stemmed from the bizarre
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: doomsday prophecy. So she thought her kids were zombies. She
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: thought the world was ending on July 11th of like
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: two years ago. And, you know, she thought she was
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a goddess. She denied murdering her children. And she said
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: she had a near-death experience all this time. So it
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: was just weird. But here's the five most disturbing things
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that she said since she was arrested. Lori on the murders.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Christ knows that no one was murdered in this case.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Accidental deaths happen. Suicides happen. Fatal side effects from medication happen.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: This is what she said. Lori on her ability to
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: communicate with the dead. Quote, Because of these communications, I
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: know for a fact that my children are happy and
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: busy in the spirit world. Because of my communications with
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: my friend Tammy, I know she is also very happy
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and extremely busy. Tammy is the wife of the guy, Chad,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: who is also, I don't know if he's been convicted yet,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: but Chad was her husband, her fourth or fifth husband.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Tammy was his wife. Tammy died mysteriously. But she said,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it's okay. Tammy and I are friends and she's really
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: happy not to be on the spirit world. So that's great.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Then Lori on her mission from Jesus. I was told
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: by Jesus that I needed to go back and complete
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: things I had promised to do before I was born.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So that's why she was doing all this stuff. God,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: you guys. Lori on her children visiting her from the grave.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: She literally said this. Lori said about Tylee. she commanded
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: me and she said to me, stop worrying mom. We
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: are fine. She knows how I worry, but she's happy
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and just very busy in heaven. My daughter's just, she's
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: so busy in heaven. And then on JJ, she said
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that JJ came to her and said, you didn't do
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: anything wrong, mom. I love you. I know you loved
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: every minute of my life. And then Lori claimed that
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: JJ is now an adult spirit and he was very tall.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm, I didn't follow the trial as much
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: as I followed as we were like, why the hell
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: is this woman not arrested? So I guess she didn't
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: even– I don't know if she even tried to say
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I'm insane, which would have been my defense. But maybe
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: she really believes this and she's not– I don't know.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I guess they decided she wasn't insane. Who cares? She's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: doing life in prison, which is what we all wanted.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So good. You guys, the Canadian– president, Justin and Sophie Trudeau,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Canada's first couple, they are getting divorced after 18 years.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: They just said, you know, they just did the typical
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: thing that everybody does in Hollywood. We had a mature talk.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: We've decided to split up. We are going to raise
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the kids together in a loving way. They're in fact
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: going on vacation together right now with the kids. but
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: they're divorcing. And I do think that's really pretty juicy
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: because never in our American presidencies has there ever been
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a divorce announced while somebody was sitting in office. In fact,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think any president, I mean, unless we're going
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: back to the night like 100 years ago, but in
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: my lifetime, no president has ever gotten divorced while in
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: office or after leaving office. It's just kind of interesting
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: that I don't know when the next Canadian election is.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's years away, but I would
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: think most people who are unhappy would maybe try to
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: fake it or stay together until something is big, but
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't really matter in 2023. And they're like, good,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: we're so glad you're being mature about it. Half the
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: people in the world get divorced. There's nothing to be
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: ashamed of, whether you're leading a country or you're just
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: an average guy.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: But he is pretty attractive. And he's very well liked.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And so could this be someone for Meghan to pursue
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: if anything was to happen with her and Harry? We've
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: been talking a lot about it. I saw that they're
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: on the cover of People magazine, people speculating. Meanwhile, Meghan,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: like we talked about, is probably really enjoying the fact
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that Suits is doing huge business for Netflix right now.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: It really was not– it was like a likable show,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: but it was on the USA Cable Network, which I
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: think is gone now. And this is what a lot
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: about what The Strike is about is how do the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: residuals work when a show that's run its course on
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: another network then gets picked up by Netflix and they say, oh,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: we have this many billions of– it said– they do
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: it by how many minutes are watched. So they said 2.49
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: billion minutes of watch time. So that needs to be
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: converted into a residual way versus the old way where
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh, a million people watched this rerun
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and therefore you get this much. And then
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: each time it replays, you get a little less and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: this and that. So that's one of the things they
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: really need to figure out with this SAG and Writer's
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Guild strike. But I mean, all these people are loving
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the show. And so there's a little bit of talk
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: that they might do like a reboot, which... I really
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: think if that's the case, she should come back. That
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: would be interesting. We'll see. Meanwhile, though, her life of
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: hanging out with A-listers and being invited to stuff seems
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: to be dwindling down because she was not at Serena
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Williams' baby shower. I think this is pretty significant of
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: a friendship that wasn't really that strong to start with
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and has definitely dwindled down. Maybe there was a specific
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: reason or maybe Serena pulled away, didn't answer so many calls,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: didn't want to lend her jet or her home to
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: her anymore. And then the shower came and she's like,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: oh my God, I can't believe if she was ever approached.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I can't believe you were invited, Megan.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: My.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: My assistant put this together. I mean, obviously I'm overwhelmed
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and pregnant. If Megan was to ever be like, what
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the fuck? But she probably knew that she got the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: brush off and has moved on. But it is kind
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: of crazy because, um, back in 2019, Williams helped organize
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Megan Markle's baby shower. at the Mark Hotel in New York.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: That was a big deal when she took all her
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: friends to New York and that's when they were still
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: part of the monarchy and everything. And the pair became
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: fast friends when they met for the first time at
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the 2010 Super Bowl in Miami. So they were friends
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: before she became the princess or before she started dating.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Harry.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: So she went to the royal wedding. And she went
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and saw her at the U.S. Open the following year.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: But then when they stepped back from royal duties, it
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: sort of seemed like it was still good because right
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of that, when she was getting the
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Meg exit and all that, Serena did write, Megan Markle,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: my selfless friend, lives her life and leads by example
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: with empathy and compassion and Serena tweeted that on the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: eve of the couple's tell-all with Oprah Winfrey. So up
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: until that point, I feel like everything was good until
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: this Netflix doc. And then, like I said, it's just
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: not popular, not stink. But maybe the next event, now
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: that she's getting to be popular again, maybe people really
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: loving Suze this much. I don't know if it's going
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: to make them like Meghan as a person anymore, but
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Who knows? We'll see if she's like, I can't believe
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: you didn't get the invitation to my baby shower. I've
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: been watching Suits. Girl, come over. Let's hang out.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Okay. This is a crazy story. Another woman has been
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: arrested for plotting to kill her husband. And this is
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: a Georgia woman. She was arrested in the Bahamas. And
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: she and her husband met at Auburn University. She was
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: a cheerleader there. He was on the football team. And
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: what happened was they got married. They had kids and
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: they on social media. They're just like the cutest family
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: with three kids. And according to all of this, she,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the husband found out that she was seeing somebody else.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Robert did. And he filed for divorce. And then shortly
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: after she filed divorce. So this is what happened. She's 38. No,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Robert is 38, and she's 36. Two men, Terrence Bethel,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: who's 28, identified by the outlet as Lindsay's lover, and
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Farron Newbold, were also arrested. So all three of them, Lindsay, Terrence,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and Farron, have been arrested in the Bahamas. Local police
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: unearthed texts that detailed the plot while they searched a
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: phone of the suspected burglar at Bethel. Grabber's Bar and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Grill in this Bahamas area earlier this month. So they
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: got this phone from this robber and then somehow put
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it all together by reading that and realized that there
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: was a plot going to happen to kill Lindsay's husband.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Robert and Lindsay own a house in the Bahamas near
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: where she met her alleged lover, this Terrence Bethel. And
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a source familiar with the case told this outlet that
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Robert Shriver, who was a snapper for the Auburn Tigers
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: from 2006 to 2008, had filed for divorce when he
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: learned that his wife was involved in a romantic relationship
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: with this guy. And also, Lindsay is just like Miss Perfect.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: She was Miss Houston County in 2005, and then she
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: finished second in the National Peanut Festival pageant that year.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: You know who was also in pageants? Rachel from Banner Pump.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Rachel Raquel. Not saying every pageant person is a murderer, obviously,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: but it's a little weird. So they met. Her social
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: media just shows that they had the greatest life. Anyway,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: they are right now, all three of them, in a
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: prison in a jail in the Bahamas. Their court date
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: is not till October. They can appeal to be let
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: out on bail, but they, that hasn't happened yet. So
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the details of it all, you know, but thank God
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the guy is safe. But I can't believe that, you know, I,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, these, these murder plots though, without, it's always like,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: if they're so, they honestly are really kind of hard
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: to prove. which is weird because I'm like, well, just
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: because you weren't successful at it doesn't mean that you shouldn't,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you know, be convicted in the nth degree. But you
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: can always, it's always the defense is always like, he
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: did that without me. I had no idea he was
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: doing that. I, you know, so it's like, they're going
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: to have to like turn on each other. Otherwise she's
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: going to be like, oh my God, you know, yes,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I complained to my lover about how awful Robert was
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and how, you know, how difficult it was going to
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: make my life and how he's trying to take the
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: kids or whatever. And he took it upon himself to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: plan this murder of my husband. I had no idea.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Take me out. So we don't have how much evidence
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: they have on her. So that'll be really interesting to see.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: But God, I mean, really? And he's like, he played
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: professional ball a little bit. Now he's like, president of
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: some insurance company. If they have an extra home in
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the Bahamas, they obviously live a pretty nice, wealthy life.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: And so she could say, oh my God, this guy
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: that I had this affair with, I had no intention
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: of marrying him. Yes, I cheated on my husband, but
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm terrified. I mean, what if he's going
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: to kill me next? He just might be trying to,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to kill my husband so that
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: we'd be together and I would have all the money.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I never wanted, I mean, But I'm thinking if they
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: arrested her, there's got to be some strong phone messages, notes,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: something that puts her in there where she was like, yeah,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: let's do this. This is where he's going to be
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: on this day. Just crazy. Little update on Lenny, everyone's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: favorite plastic surgeon, not favorite plastic surgeon, Lenny of Real
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Housewives of Miami. So somebody wrote under his engagement, which
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: he posted on his social media. which I'm sort of
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: surprised it's still public, tells me he really does like
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: this attention, even though it's a lot of hate. And
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I did have someone say that he is very in
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: demand to get the boob jobs, that you can't even
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: meet him in person. The first consultation is just sending
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: photos to see if he wants it. So he is
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: in demand. He does a lot of boob jobs, and
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: he probably has a lot of investments. He's obviously wealthy.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: But someone wrote... why the ring look fake. And Lenny
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: commented back to this person, why you look like a dude. What?
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Lenny is saying that under comments. Why are you being
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: so messy, dude? Like, are you kidding me? You're actually
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: talking back to someone who commented? Anyway, this is the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: ring and it is huge and it is gorgeous. And
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: according to page six, this 12-carat jewel could cost up
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to $ 1 million, maybe even $ 1. 5. Last year, Lisa, his
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: soon-to-be ex-wife, showed off the upgraded ring Lenny gave her,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and that ring was estimated at $ 750, 000. So the ring
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that the new fiancé has is approximately twice the price
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: of the last ring he gave to his former wife-to-be.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Current wife, but soon-to-be former wife. So good for you.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, are you kidding me with this? Gabby from
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: The Bachelorette. You remember Gabby? She's real cute. She was
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the one that then she and the other girl who
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: both got to the end of the line, they then
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: did it together and were bachelorettes together. I didn't really
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: watch that season. Anyway, she's gay. She came out. She
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: has a girlfriend who's a comedy writer, and they're thrilled.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And Gabby, I'd love for you to come on Juicy
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Scoop and talk about your journey. Because she did get
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: engaged to the guy at the end of her journey
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: when she was co-bachelorette. And then they ended it after
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: two months. And now she's happily in love with this
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: comedian who's a comedy writer, which I kind of like.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: And they look happy. So that's juicy. Meanwhile, Kylie, according
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to TMZ, Kylie Jenner and Timothee Chalamet are still dating.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Still dating. Still dating. We've never seen a photo. We've
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: never heard anything. I don't know. I think this is
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the fakest romantic relationship I've ever heard. And I really
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: feel like the buzz is just not happening about the
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Kardashians as much, which who cares? But I mean, I
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: just think this is the fakest relationship. I need to
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: see them actually making out at a dinner. So listen
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: to me, Kardashian, Timothy Camp. You guys need to... If
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: this is real, then... Let's see you really out. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: if it's not real, but you want us to be real,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: then you need to go out and do like a
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: fake kiss, a fake walk, go to Target, tell the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: paparazzi to catch you pumping Kylie's gas, something. Because this
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: seems very BS. All right. Before I get to my
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: juicy interview, I want to remind you guys that Chris
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Franchola and I are coming to Red Bank, New Jersey
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: on August 9th. Then we're going to the Foxwood Casino
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: in Mash and Tuckett, Connecticut on August 11th. August 12th
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: is Huntington, New York, Long Island. So definitely go to that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: This is all with Chris. And then I'm going to
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: be at the West Hamptons Beach Theater in New York.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: in New York, of course, the Hamptons, on August 18th.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: All of these dates are at heathermcdonald.net, including the Vegas
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: one on November 4th, and of course, this weekend at Irvine.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Now I'm very excited to have a very juicy interview
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: with Kimberly Archie, who's got all the scoop on the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: latest with Erika Jayne and what is going on with
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: their latest meeting and what really went down. Here we go.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I have returned guest Kimberly Archie From the scandal of
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: all scandals, what is the housewife and the hustler? You've
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: been on, I think this might be your fourth time.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. And you have some real juicy scoop. There's
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: been some major changes from the beginning of the story.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: So this is about Tom Girardi. And let's just update
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: a little bit to the people that are just listening
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: quick of who you are and your history with Tom.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: And with some of the victims and where you are today.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I was a legal consultant for Tom primarily on
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: sports injury cases for a number of years. A lot
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: of people heard of the NFL concussion case. I worked
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: on that. I met Tom when my friend Kathy Regomez came.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: who a lot of people know her son, Joe R. Gomez,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: as the burn victim from The Housewife and The Hustler
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: and all the articles, when they hired Tom for their
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: case when they were involved in the San Bruno gas explosion.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: And then from there, sort of, here we are today.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: So when it was all going down, when it first began,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: which was somewhere during COVID or whatever, Somehow someone let
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: me know about you or I saw your Twitter and
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: we started corresponding and I was like, can we talk
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: on the phone? And you said yes. And I'm like,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: would you be willing to come in?
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I was scared at first.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: It took me a little bit to say, okay, all right,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I'll do it.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: And in the previous interviews that you've done with me,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: you know, we got to kind of see what the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: life was like. working for Tom, that he was very
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: generous to you, as many people around him, employees or whatnot,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: as you delivered your work for him. And then there was,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: you know, you said there was some suspicions of if
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: everything was really on the up and up. And what
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: an awful position to be in then when you realize
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: that while you're working for him, And your best friend,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: who's been through hell and back, is his client.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: And then when you first realized that things may not
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: be on the up and up, they had already been
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: awarded their money?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah. They had already been awarded their money.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Which was $ 11 million? How much was that?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Well, they had a confidential settlement. But what they ended
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: up fighting about, you know, in the end was this missing,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: you know, $ 11 million. Oh, okay. Got it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: And okay, so a lot has happened since then. And
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Erika Jayne is now, I don't know if they're, are
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: they legally divorced yet?
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I think pretty much because
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: of the bankruptcy and some of the other legal issues
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: that it's sort of just sitting there.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We saw her in the last two seasons, especially
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the first season. Has it been two seasons since this
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: has gone on?
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we went through two seasons. And last season was really,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I think, the tougher one because remember the episode where
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: they're talking about the victims and she's saying, I don't
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: really even know if there are any victims. And so
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: that's what I would say would be sort of like
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: ground zero of what led to her coming to my event.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: So let's jump to that. So here you are at
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: this event talking to Erika Jayne. Explain to everybody what
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the event was. This was a couple weeks ago and
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: what happened and how this happened, how she ended up
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: showing up.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: So it's kind of, it's like a year long thing
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: because so after that episode came out, you know, some
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: of the victims and I were all talking amongst each
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: other and, you know, some people were really upset. Like, hey,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: my stuff's been proven. Like my friend Kathy and like
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Josie Hernandez, who people saw in the Hulu doc too.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: It's been proven that you won this money and that
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: he took it and you were his partners or whoever.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And then you didn't get it and it's not available
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Right. So we started talking to lawyers about maybe doing
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: a defamation case, maybe even to NBC, because why are
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: they putting this out there when he's been disbarred? He's
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: admitted in his debtor's exam in the Rigomez's case. Tom
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Girardi admitted that he didn't have any money and their
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: money is missing. So it's not alleged. But after talking
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: to some lawyers, it just felt like they wanted to
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: use the scenario for like publicity. I was like, God,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to use like her being on this
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: big show really to their benefit. I don't think that's
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: going to be helpful. So eventually I just said, well,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: why don't I call Erica's lawyers and talk to them?
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: And so I did. And we started talking about all
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: the different elements of the case and what they knew
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: or didn't know. They didn't have a list of any victims.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: No one had told them who the victims are.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Nobody told Erica's attorneys.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: So therefore, Erica didn't know.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: So in the bankruptcy, you would think that they would
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: reconcile the bank accounts, you know, like balance your checkbook,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: like we do, you know.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Because now they've taken over this Ponzi scheme, you know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: with missing money, robbing Peter to pay Paul kind of thing.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: So they should reconcile the account and figure out where
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: all the money went and see who all the victims are,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: validate the claims that came into the bankruptcy. None of
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: that's been done. So I started telling them, okay, here's
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: people I know that have contacted me. We can start
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: with Kathy and her family. Everyone knows about them. Let's
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: go to Josie. She's in the documentary. OK, how about
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Holly Jones? How about Lottery Nancy? You know, so we
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: start going down the list and now, OK, well, now
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: they do know the victims exist. So we started talking
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: back then about maybe Erica meeting the victims and apologizing
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: because that's what they really wanted. They didn't really want
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: to sue anyone. They just wanted her to acknowledge them
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and say, like, I'm sorry this has happened to you.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: So we talked about it, but it was like, I mean,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: how are we going to do it? Like we kind
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: of joke, like we do a press conference at the
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Hotel. I mean, could you imagine what people
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: would have said if we would have done that? You know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: how are we going to do this? Like, how am
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I going to put them in the room together?
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: So it sort of got tabled really, you know, like, well,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: when the right time comes or, you know, we'll figure
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: it out whenever. Well, my events in place. So, you know,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: me being who I am. I send my GoFundMe link
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: to Eric's lawyers thinking maybe they'll donate to it or whatever.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe they want to help Paul's Ice Cream Company or whatever.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: And Paul's Ice Cream is your company based and your
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: son was named Paul.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: So I started an ice cream company in honor of
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: my son, who was a chef for craft services on
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: TV and movie sets. And so we're doing this big,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: you know, ice cream blanch, a pop up at a
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: restaurant in the valley. called The Valiant, of course. It's
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: such an LA story. It's kind of funny.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: And so I just sent them the GoFundMe and just
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: thinking maybe they would donate. That was really it. And
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: a couple days later, they called and said, you know,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: could Erica come to the event? You know, would there
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: be victims there? Would she be welcome to come? And
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know. Like, let me get
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: back to you. So I talked to the victims that
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I knew were coming because Nancy and Josie, who people
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: will see in the pics later. And then my friend,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Kathy Regomez, you know, they were volunteering at the event.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: So I knew they were going to be there. They
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: weren't just coming to buy ice cream. They're actually working,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: helping set up, helping people, you know, working with the customers.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to make sure like they didn't mind.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't care. Um, I mean, what would I care
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: if Erica comes and like my son worked on TV
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: and movie sets, like he loved that stuff. So he
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: would have thought it was funny that Erica was coming. Um,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: we didn't want to tell anybody really, cause we didn't
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: want a bunch of like looky loos or people just
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: like showing up and it not being like something to
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: honor my son or whatever. So once they said, okay,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: it was like the day before or like days before
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: or whatever. So, um, you know, really it was just,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: it was very laid back. Like I didn't really confirm that.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: You were like, not totally sure.
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Cause I like, it was just so weird.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Like it's kind of a big deal. You think it'd
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: be in writing somehow or. I don't know. It was
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: just very casual and it was very close to the
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: day of the event. And I mean, most people probably
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: have never done a big event like that. And I
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: didn't hire an event planner like a dummy. So I'm
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: all over the place. So I don't have time to
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: really like nail something down. It's kind of like, okay, whatever.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: So we really didn't even know until the morning of
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: like that her attorney landed in Van Nuys and then, oh, like, hey,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I think they're coming at 1130. The event starts at noon.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: You know, Kathy got there like three minutes before Eric did. Nancy,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Lottery Nancy came after Erica.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Explain what Lottery Nancy's case was because I don't.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: So Lottery Nancy was a client of David Lira and
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Tom Girardi. So David Lira is Tom's son-in-law. And what
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: happened is her daughter went on a show, like the
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: California Lottery show. So her dad had a ticket where
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: you can go on the show and play for more
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: instead of keeping your amount. And so he has his
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: daughter go, and she goes on the show, and instead
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: of splitting it with her dad, she keeps the whole
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: $ 5 million.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: How old was the girl at the time?
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: She was in her 20s. Okay. So, you know, Girardi
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Keys comes in, and... They ended up going to trial,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: which it was a bench trial, meaning.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Just the judge- To sue the daughter for a tap.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: For the money back, for their half.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. Just for their half, which he won. But in
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: the process, he took his legal fees and gave them
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: to his wife, which is Tom's daughter, Jacqueline, and Tom
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: gave his to Erica. So that's where you get those
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: headlines that say, did Erica win the lottery?
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: That's connected to lottery Nancy.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: There's so many layers.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: So many stories.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: And what I was saying when you were coming back,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I've interviewed you a bunch of times. I've
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: studied this shit. My sister's an attorney, and I'm still
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: confused because there are so, unfortunately, so many people who've
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: been screwed that we know about. There's probably tons in
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: the last 30 years that they may not even know
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: they were screwed. But, okay, continue.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah. So, you know, Erica gets there, and
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: the LA Times had come to cover my story.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Wait, but I have a question. So the Lottery Nancy mother,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: she gets her half. And then he gets 40% of
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: that half. And that 40% went to Erica and Jacqueline.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: But did she not get hers or she did get it?
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: She got her portion of it, but they were overcharged
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: for things on their case, which most of the clients
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: were now that we're looking at the records. We're seeing
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: all these companies that were Girardi's friends and you know,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: charges that don't make sense for that case or whatever.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: And then also you can't give non-attorneys attorney fees. So
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: if they're going to legally do that, the client has
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: the right to say, I want those back. Like you
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have given those to non-attorneys. And the non-attorney being
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Erica Jane.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Okay. So now you do see.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: And how much are we talking about for that? In
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: that case?
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I think it was like, well, like 800,000. Oh, okay.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: You know, it was a good. But this is over
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: years because it's an annuity. You know, it's a lottery annuity.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: They pick, you know, when someone wins a lottery, they
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: can take like the jackpot or they can get it
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: over so many years.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, so every year and it was going right into
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: her account.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: No. Well, that's the thing that we found out. It
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: was going to the law firm.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: So they were just using Erica and Jacqueline. Got it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: But Nancy didn't know that and nobody else.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Who would know that unless you saw the records?
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: It's in their names. It's in Jacqueline and Erica's names.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: They're claiming they're getting it. And their husbands are saying like, hey,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: this is cool. We're doing this. You know, David Lira
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: answered the question that They were doing estate planning when
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: they assigned those lawyer fees to their non-attorney wives. I
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: don't know how that makes sense, but it's not legal.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: You can't give attorney fees to non-attorneys. You know, so
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: it's a lottery annuity. So, you know, some people get
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: a lump sum and then some people pick the annuity
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: where you get it every year. So Nancy and her husband,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: they had picked, you know, they had chosen to get
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: it every year. Or I guess originally the daughter did
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: because she was the one who did it initially. Right.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: So they couldn't just pay them a percentage of it
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: off the top because they didn't have it. Their money
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: was coming every year. So instead of assigning it to
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: themselves or to the firm, they assigned it to their wives.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: And, you know, you don't pay California taxes on a
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: lottery annuity. The feds take their money off the top.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: But because it's the California lottery, you don't pay taxes. well,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: why wouldn't a lawyer pay California taxes on their lawyer fees?
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Right, the work they did.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. So it's just kind of a little mini
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: scam and the big scam kind of thing.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: So that's why these are all confusing because the bigger
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: scheme of it, and then you have each individual story,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: and there are thousands of victims over 40 years. I mean,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the bar says they had complaints back to 1982. So, okay,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: so she arrives, and.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Looking pretty, but I think a great choice of outfit.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Just like kind of classy, conservative, some nice slacks, a
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: pretty blouse, nothing crazy.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like her clothes were cheap or
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: the purse. I mean, it was all designer nice stuff. Yeah,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't too much. I didn't feel– I mean,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: you know, it's an event in honor of my son. Yes.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: So obviously, you know, even having like the LA Times there,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: it was a little anxious for me because– You know,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: these are my real friends. This is my real family.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: This is a real event. This is in honor of
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: my son. It's his name on it. You know, I
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: want people to act accordingly. So it was, like, nerve-wracking
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: a little bit. So I was relieved when I saw
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: her that, you know, she didn't come in, like, giant
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: heels and just something like, you're at the Valley Inn
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: in Sherman Oaks on an ice cream thing. Yeah, right, right.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: You know, like, what do you have on?
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a perfect outfit. Okay, so what
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: was the first thing? Hello, hi, hugs, weirdness. What was
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: that like?
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so when we first saw Erica, we were all
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: in the room. It's called the John Wooden Room, which
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: John Wooden, the UCLA basketball coach, used to go to
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: this restaurant. And this is his room dedicated to him.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Some of his books from his library are in there
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: and everything. So we're sitting in the John Wooden Room.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: And me and Kathy and Josie Hernandez are sitting there.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Nancy's not there yet. And Erica comes in and I
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: get up to go over to her and I'm going
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: to shake her hand and she offers to hug me. Okay.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: So we hug and then she hugs Kathy and Josie
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: and we all sit down and it was, you know,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: you know, when you sit down, it's like you could
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: cut the room with a knife, you know, really uncomfortable.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Like everyone really doesn't know. And, you know, while there
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: were cameras there, um, We didn't agree for– we just
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: wanted to have this chance to meet Erica. We didn't
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: want like anyone throwing questions at us. Like it wasn't
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: So to be clear, there are no Bravo cameras.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: No Bravo cameras. I would have never agreed to that.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Yes. And– And so did you guys eat or just
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: sit and have water? Here's the photo. You're just having water.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: We just had water and we just talked. It went
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: on for like an hour and 20 minutes.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: And tell us the broad strokes of it, like the
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: juicy scoop of this convo.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, obviously initially Erica wanted to know, you know,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: who the ladies were and what their stories were. Kathy
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: didn't explain hers because, you know, Erica already knew about
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: the Gomez's.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Because she had seen Housewife and the Hustler. And of course.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: And she said that I saw that clip.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Somebody you shared that with me.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. She did say that she had seen it,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: but it had been like at the time that it
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: came out. So it's been a little while. So Josie
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: told her story and Erica just primarily listened. And then,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: you know, Kathy told her story and Erica told both
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: of the ladies, you know, that she was sorry. That
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: she was sorry for what they'd been through and sorry for,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: you know, how things had come across. And, you know, that.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Did she explain why?
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Did she ever explain like that she came off? insensitive
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: on the show because based on what the lawyers told her,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: based on maybe a little bit of that is her personality,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: she's always, you know, I'm cold as ice. And I mean,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that is kind of her personality a little. It doesn't
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: mean she's, you know.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I would say, especially in
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: this moment, she was definitely showing a softer side of
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Erica than what we've seen in the past. But yeah,
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: we didn't really go over that part because over the
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: months leading up to it, we had definitely all talked
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: that out to the nth degree.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: You with the other victims or?
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Me with her lawyers and looking at proof, you know,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: like one of the things that I always said is
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Erica could end up in trouble for her taxes or,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: you know, signing her taxes.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, one of the things that I
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: wanted to know was like, you know, what were their
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: taxes like? Because if they're super complicated, like I was
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: starting to maybe think they were, then I was starting
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: to think, well, there's a new program for like innocent
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: spouse for the IRS.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, what does that program explain that?
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Well, it's basically like, and it doesn't matter the gender,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: but let's say your spouse has a business and they
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: do stuff with their investors or other stuff and you're
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: just signing your taxes, but you don't understand their companies
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: or their profit and losses or how this moved to
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: here or whatever, or how this asset was sold. And And,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: you know, the equity in that was put into this
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: business or whatever.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: And you can prove that in your marriage that you
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: took care of the decorating or whatever, the vacations.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: You were pole dancing.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was the only one that met with
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: the tax guy for 20 years. You never even went
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: to that meeting. He came home, you signed it, you
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: put the big stamp on it. In this case, if
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: this had existed... Teresa Giudice may have never gone to prison.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Right. Oh, maybe.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know that case very well, but it's possible.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Is this just for California, or is this a federal thing?
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: No, it's a federal thing.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: But is it in effect yet, or is this they're
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: trying to get it done?
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is in effect.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: And I only know a little bit about it, but
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: just sort of scratching the surface and then looking at
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: some of the complicated aspects of Tom's business, I'm like,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: I was having a hard time wrapping my head around it.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: So I couldn't imagine somebody who's never worked in the
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: legal industry. I mean, even if she hung out at
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: the law firm for the first few years in her
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: track suit, annoying the partners.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Which you witnessed.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Well, what people, you know, talked about even years later,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: you know, that's not going to be enough to understand
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: the taxes. So then, you know, okay, that question was answered.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: So we kind of went through this little laundry list
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: of like, You know, our real questions and then also
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: things that the partners had led me to believe or
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: led Kathy and I to believe about Erica. That, you know,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: she's narcissistic. She's really greedy. She was the demise of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Tom Girardi. So we got into that a little bit.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: You know, we asked her, you know, do you.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Have a text from that? Explain what this text is.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: So this was in March 2021, and this was an
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: article about, you know, Tom being disbarred. And I sent
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: it to Robert Finnerty, which was a 33-year partner, 33-year
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: employee and partner at Charity Keys. And this was his response.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: You know, he basically wrote, that pristine reputation began to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: crumble long before divorce, began to crumble when his thief
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: of Oh, so he's totally throwing her under the bus
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: and completely pointing a finger there. When, in fact, he
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: was the partner for the whole time. Now, what is
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: his position with all this legal stuff, being that he
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: was the partner? Is he in trouble?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've only seen the CFO, Chris Camone, and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: then the son-in-law, David Lira, being brought up on any
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: kind of criminal or bar charges. But knowing what we
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: know now, we're definitely wondering what's going to happen with
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Robert Finnerty or other lawyers like him who actually knew
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: about it. So initially, the first year or two, they're
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: painting a picture to victims that Tom is alone on
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: an island doing this all by himself and that no
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: one at the firm knows. Well, that's not true. And
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: we didn't have that evidence a year ago or two
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: years ago. Now we've seen things for our own eyes.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: And we know that the other partners did know, not
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: just the son-in-law. You know, we always knew the son-in-law
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: was like the heir to the throne of the Girardi case,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: you know, empire, whatever. So we knew that he had
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: a connection all along from the beginning. But the other partners,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: you know, we were really, you know, of the mindset that.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: that they didn't know that this was something he was doing.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Now we see a bigger picture of the plaintiff's bar,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: the private judges that we talked about before. Remember that
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: one TikTok lady who's really good? She talks about all
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: the private judging and the mediations. And that the legal
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: lenders are involved in this. So now instead of it
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: being like Tom and Erica just by themselves, stealing all
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: the money, spending it all alone, it's really there's this
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: bigger picture of what happened. You know, and I think, too,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: in the beginning that somebody, an earlier an attorney, had
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: told Erica not to apologize to the victims, not to
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: really say much about the victims in general. Not that
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: she couldn't talk at all. She's on a show.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: But to not really talk about, you know, the case
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: itself or whatever. And I think that was it just
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: played into the partners that were pointing the finger at her.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: And, you know, just who knows how long this would
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: have went on. If we hadn't called her lawyers and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: just asked, why hadn't the lawyers representing some of these
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: victims done that? Right. Because it didn't behoove them to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: do it. It was a lot more fun to point
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: the finger at the trophy wife and sort of, you know,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: here's the shiny, you know, famous thing over here. And
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: don't look at us.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, listen, I talked a lot about it.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: And when I ran into her, I think it was
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: at BravoCon last year. We were on the same plane. And,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: you know, she was really nice in that she was like,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: how's your head? You know, because when I fainted.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: And she saw that.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know that she knows
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: that I've even talked about it or not. But, of course,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: I was very interested. But one thing I did say
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: was like, there's, you know, there's two things. You know,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: either you are the smartest person on earth. Or you
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: really are that girl that you aren't formally educated, but
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: you use your sex appeal and your smarts to get
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: with a rich guy and enjoy the life that that
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: led you. And she did say, in the beginning, I
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: traveled all the world with him, but it seemed like
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: in the last 10 years of their marriage, she probably,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, knew he was a cheater and had affairs,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: in my opinion. And when she shared that with the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: girlfriend judge stuff, I think she was getting so much
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: hate at all the places and that the divorce wasn't
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: real and they're in cahoots that she was like, he
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: was freaking cheating on me. And then she shared that info,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: which then she got in trouble for and had to remove.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: But no, I've always thought like, no, you marry a
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: rich guy or whatever. And you're this girl. And he's like,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: here's your card. Spend whatever you want. And then when
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: she started the Erica Jane, you know, business, you know, enterprise,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: it was the same thing. Spend whatever you want. And
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: the dancers and the choreographers and the people around her, um,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: got paid well and they, that's, therefore it was fun.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: And they, I mean, I've said for a long time, no,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think that ever made money before housewives, you know,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: when you're going to the, we're forming at the white
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: party and you have a, you know, and you're going
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: on a private jet to get there and you're housing
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: 10 dancers and, no there's no money you probably had
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: to pay to do it and even if you sold
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: any tickets there's probably no money because you have such
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: a big entourage.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: And it seems like any money that came in got
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: put into the firm into.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: The Ponzi scheme right so it's like I mean you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: know and remember she did say Tom took my paycheck
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: which also totally makes sense too if you're in that
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: kind of a thing where here's your card okay well
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: what do I do with this you know check of
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: whatever significant check from Bravo 25 grand um.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Well, here it is.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Because I don't get denied anything.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: So, like, why after 20 years would you be like, oh.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: No, this is my money now when you've been spending
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: his money. That's like an appropriate situation when you think
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: about it. And Tom would say.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Stuff to me, you know, like, you know, Erica's getting
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: her independence. Like, he was making it sound like, you know,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: she was taken off and, you know, would be able
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: to have her own identity or whatever. Because before, in
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: the beginning, she would be the spouse of the Aaron
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Brockovich lawyer or whatever. Now Tom's the spouse of Eric
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Jane on Housewives.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Which he was never really comfortable with people kind of
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: flipping it like that because he was definitely like old
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: school guy where, you know, I'm the superior, you know,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: male being or whatever.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: And we did see those classic moments that you see
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: and you see it with a lot of couples, by
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: the way. when you're dining or whatever, and you think it's,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: and the wife tries to, you know, say, well, actually,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: and he's like, Erica, I'm talking. Like, and you're just like, okay.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: And she just sat back and she's like.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Somebody actually sent that clip to me that long ago.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: And I was all, oh, God.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: I would have never shut up. This is what it is.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: This is what it is. And that's why I don't
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: care that you screw other people. And that's why I'm
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: very happy not to go to Europe with you anymore.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: And I can be with my gay dancers. And I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: can get the love. And now I'm on the show.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: And you saw that that was probably the, I think
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: that was like one of the first or second seasons.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Because after that, she had very, he was on it
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: very little. And I would too.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: And she wasn't around horribly. She wasn't around after that.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Like once she was on the show, like I didn't
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: see her at like the Christmas party or whatever. She
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: didn't come anymore, you know, after she was on the show.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: At least now. Like, not after 2015.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they were probably, like, they had their
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: arrangement or whatever. And she probably was, like, I literally
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: think one of the seasons he was on, like, one day. Like,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: the whole season. It was, she got him his styrofoam
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: cup of coffee. And she was, like, hey, babe. You know,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: and then he waddled off. And then there was, like,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: another time where she had her moment crying, thanking him
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: for getting her to a place where she's actually get
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: to perform on Broadway again. And then that was cut
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: short because of COVID. And then all this shit went
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: down during COVID. Right.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: It definitely blew up at like a moment where she
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: was actually getting some traction, you know, and. you know, hey,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: we've all had our opinions about her talent or whatever. Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's still, you know, everyone has their opinion
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: about that. Right. I mean, she does have a residency
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: though now, so that's interesting.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: And you're going, right?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Or you plan on going?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: So we're talking about going to the opening the first
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: night of her show or whatever. We really have started
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: a genuine dialogue between the ladies and Erica. And we
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: really want to work together to make sure that all
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: the victims get paid. And if we can find common
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: ground doing that, I mean, to me, that was my
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: biggest goal all along was for the victims not to
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: feel triggered every time a new episode airs and for
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: us to try to make sure that the victims don't
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: get left behind. And, you know, we're really doing that.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: And in that is sort of this female kind of
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: girl power bond thing. And, you know, me and Kathy
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: were saying, well, it started as a joke. I don't know.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Everything in life kind of starts as a joke, I think. But,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: you know, we should go to opening night. And, you know,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: support Erica because she came and supported my event and
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: was really genuine about it. And she offered to do
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: whatever with Nancy or Josie. You know, how can I
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: help you? How can I lend my platform to you guys?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: And I don't, you know, Erica's not the only celebrity
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: I've been around. I've been around plenty of them. and
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: some are nicer than others, and I did think... Thank you. No,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: not pointing any fingers in here. But, you know, I
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: thought that she didn't have to offer, you know, to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Josie Hernandez, who's a real estate agent, hey, when I
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: buy a house coming up, I'll use you as my agent. Well,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: now she better use her.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Now that we've said it, she better use her as
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: a former realtor. I like that kind of loyalty.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, so it's like, we don't want
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: to just take it for granted because there were bad feelings.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Like you've got to be the bigger person in all
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: of this. Like I know people are going to say like, well,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: you made fun of her. You said stuff. Yeah, I did.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: And Erica said in the meeting, like Kim's been very
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: vocal and I laughed and said, yeah, yeah. And I'll
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: continue to be vocal. It's not going to change.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: That's my personality. And I feel protective, you know, of
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: the victims and my friend and, You know, whoever is
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: on their team is on their team. And she's offering
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: to do that now. And that's what we all wanted.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's funny when people are like,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: it's too late. It's never the wrong time to do
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: the right thing. That's a good quote.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Can you explain the earrings? to me.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll try. Earrings are complicated other than they're really beautiful.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: What I'm really confused is, were there two pairs of earrings?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: What is that about? That like, the one pair of
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: earrings was worth $ 750. No, it's worth $ 1. 5. But then
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: she turned in ones that were only worth $ 350. But
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: then Ron Richards bought them for $ 250. Now they've been
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: told that they, that Ron has to return them. I'm
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: so confused.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that they'll end up being returned.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: So are there two pairs or not? Let's just start
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's up in the air. I
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: don't believe there are. I think that there was a
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: pair of earrings given to Erica and that, you know,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Tom and this jeweler had their own little love affair
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: going on or relationship, whatever. And they wrote whatever they did.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, if I were guessing, and it is just
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: an educated guess, that they were writing that receipt up
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: for the insurance companies.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know. And so did that receipt match
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: the earrings that actually Erica ever had?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: You know, like the clarity or the color or whatever?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd have to literally see video of
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: the earrings originally next to the receipt to believe that
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: they ever matched in the first place. I just don't
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: think they ever matched. Okay. So then when Erica gave
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: them over, right, they just didn't match. I don't think
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: there were two pairs.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: That's my opinion. Got it.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Thanks for explaining that. So she turns them over. Ron
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Richards buys them an auction.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: And gets a $ 50, 000 discount because he was the special
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: counsel at one time. So he actually will get paid
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: a percentage of the money that was brought into the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: estate for the sale of the earrings. So very salacious
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: So like a double dip.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I said something on his wife's Instagram
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: and they blocked me. And like Ronald Richards sent me
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: all this crazy stuff. and said I was going to
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: be investigated, that my claim in the bankruptcy was going
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: to be made invalid and all this stuff. Like, really?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Because I think it was distasteful for them to buy
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: the earrings. And that's just my opinion. Some people might
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: think it was funny. It wasn't really funny to the victims.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Not the ones, you know, that we all talk amongst
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: each other. Like, we didn't feel great about that. Like, oh, wow.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: And the victims of only 11% of the bankruptcy proceedings
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: They've been paid out, have gone to victims. And that's
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: to the Bergomezes. So no other victims have seen any money.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: All these millions have been paid to lawyers, the trustees,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: people like Ronald Richards, not to victims. And I said
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: that all along. So that part hasn't changed. We still
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: aren't seeing victims get paid. But now the latest thing
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: is that she appealed that. Right.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Like, under the guise of— On principle, because— Like, it's
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: a gift, and I didn't know, and why am I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: giving back gifts? Because— Well— I don't understand it, but
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, well, like, if that's the case,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: then what about all the times that he donated to, like,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: you know— our governor or whoever, like, are they all
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: supposed to go back and return?
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. They are. And, and just like we
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: saw with Bernie Madoff, all the politicians returned the money
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: that Bernie Madoff donated over the years. Kathy and I
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: keep bringing that up. Where's our return? You know, where's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: like Biden and Newsom and Schwarzenegger and, you know, like
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: it's a laundry list and, and Tom played both sides. So,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, in California we have a lot of,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Democrats as politicians, but Tom didn't really play favorites in that.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Whoever could help him out.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Whoever buttered his bread that he could have in his pocket.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: So that they don't investigate him. So they don't go
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: to the bar.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So we want that money back for the victims.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: We think that the politicians should have to pay it back.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: The thing with the earrings, the way that Erica... per
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: se one is the part of the argument where they
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: were saying the trustee did not prove that the money
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: that bought the earrings were bought with the Reslin trust account,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: the money that belonged to the victims.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Because they haven't balanced the checkbook yet. Okay. You got
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: to go back and do this forensic accounting and figure out,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: you know, when they robbed Peter to pay Paul, what
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: did that mean? You know, where did the money come from?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Where did it go? They've got to go back to
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: square one and reconcile it. I mean, and it's possible
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: that that's going to be damn near impossible to do
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: because we now know since the CFO has been arrested,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: there's two sets of books for the business and probably
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: two sets of books for Erica's too. It wouldn't surprise
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: me because same dude did it. The guy in jail.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: So anyway, so she, so they, she didn't get the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: earrings back. But did Ron Richards have to return the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: earrings in this appeal?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: No, I think that, you know, so what they did
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: is they remanded it back to the courts and now
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: they got to decide, like, can the trustee actually prove it?
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: You know, she gets time if she wants to go
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: back and prove it. Maybe she's going to say she can't,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: that the records can't be traced. I mean, you know,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: that that's that's to be seen. I think that if
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: she can and they're. And later there's a ruling that
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: maybe there may be some money. I doubt they're going
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: to take the earrings back and say, here's your earrings back.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: They're likely going to say, like, money-wise, this money, you know,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: be more of a money exchange. But it's hard to
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: say with this stuff. Like, you know, sometimes the rulings
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: don't go the way of common sense or what you
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: think will happen. So for right now, it's back to
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: the lower courts to say, like, the trustee's got to prove.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: You can't just say the money is commingled. And that's
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: not enough evidence. And we know it was commingled. We
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: know it's a clusterfuck. That we know. But you got
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: to show it. You got to show your work. It's like,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: you know, when you did math in school.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Right. I got to see how you got to this answer. Now,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: the next thing coming up is the Tom competency. Tom Girardi,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: if he is competent hearing. The last time you were here,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: you said you do believe he's competent and it's an act.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Has your mind changed? A couple of people did not
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: agree with what you said. Because based on what you
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: were like, something about the way he walked or something
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: told you that he didn't have it. And other people
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: are like, she's not an expert. And who would know?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: And listen, none of us are doctors or experts. That
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: was just your opinion from what you gathered at that time.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Now it's been like a year later. He might not
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: be competent now.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: He's in his 80s.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Well, the government hired an expert who is an expert
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: in malingering, which is like lying and faking that you
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: have a brain injury or that you have dementia. And
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: she's a very highly qualified doctor in what she does.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's her specialty is malingering, not just brain
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: injury or brain disease. And yeah, you know, I definitely
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: haven't changed my mind in the sense that, you know,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: having some issues with aging and being deemed incompetent to
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: stand tall. are really far apart.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: People need to understand that, first of all, like to
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: be deemed like incompetent.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't believe he doesn't know who people are. And,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: you know, I stick to my comment about his gait and,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: you know, doctors will tell you, and it's one of
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: the first things, if you talk to a physical therapist,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: people are dealing with someone with dementia or Alzheimer's, you know,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: they have gait issues. You're going to address that.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: Explain what gait issues.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: So gait is basically like your alignment of your body.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: So when you have brain dysfunction, it messes up like
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: your spine and your hips and everything's kind of out.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: And that's why when You're dealing with someone with Alzheimer's
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: or dementia that they like trip over their own feet.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: They fall. You know, you're concerned about them falling all
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: the time because their gait is off the way they walk.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: So when you're healthy, if you have an iPhone, it
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: measures your gait, how far you walk and how often
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: your feet are misplaced or you have even feet. Like
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: your iPhone watch will do that for you.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Interesting. So you can look at that.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: And it's an indication of health. So someone who's had
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: really intense cognitive deficiencies are not going to have a
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: perfect gait. And so the comment that I was making
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: was when I was watching Tom leave from the initial
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: hearing when he was charged criminally, he walked by himself
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: for like two lengths of a football field and even
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: walked down steps.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: An 80 cent mineral person with very advanced neurodegenerative disease
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: isn't likely.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: It's not a hundred percent. I'm just saying it's not likely.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: It's not probable that he would be able to walk
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: like that by himself. And it was just interesting because
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: he kind of walks like a turtle and he just
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: tried to walk like even slower turtles. So he was
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: just like, instead of, you can't really fake a gait issue,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: but you can go slower to try to look meek
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: and mild or whatever. And they forgot to like hold
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: his hand and shit on the way down. So, You know,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: the aide forgot, like, oh, yeah, he's old. We got
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: to pretend he can't walk by himself. And he literally just, like,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: walked down, hopped down a step, no problem. I filmed
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: it because I wanted to see it again to see
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: if I was, you know, like, did I just see him, like,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: walk like he always does but just slower? I mean,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: I've sat at a table dozens of times and watched
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: him walk to me, you know. And imagine being, like,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: a young person who's supposed to be all excited to
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: work with Tom and you're sitting at the Jonathan Club
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: and you're there early and you're all nervous. Like I
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: watched him walk up. I studied it, you know, a
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: number of times. I think, oh, wow. So I'm looking.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, am I going to see something different? So
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: it's the same old Tom. So that's what just gives
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: me pause. Right.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: As a lay person, I have seen like 100 brain
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: autopsies of people with Alzheimer's and dementia, but I'm not
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: an expert. But I have seen stuff that the average
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: person isn't exposed to as far as brain injury because
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: of the work that I do.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: So that's coming up, and I don't know when the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: show's going to start to air, but everyone's very excited
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: for the show.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: So why is it longer? Isn't it saying October or
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: November now? Because hasn't it been, wasn't it late summer
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: the last year?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I know they're still working on stuff, whether it's in
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: post or whatever. And then, of course, the latest rumor
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: was Kyle and Mauricio breaking up. And then in one interview,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Erica said, they're not getting divorced. I'll let Kyle talk
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: for herself, but they're not getting divorced. There's just a
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: report that they were in Aspen together, she and Morgan.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: But I just saw the latest one is that she
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: was with Kyle and they were snuggly wuggly.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, to do a documentary.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Kyle was with Mauricio and they were snuggly wuggly. Yesterday
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: or over the weekend, she was hanging out with Morgan Wade.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: For the documentary. For the documentary.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: So now I have gone back and forth on this
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: of what I think is going on. Now I'm like,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: maybe they aren't doing the lickety splits. Maybe she discovered
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: this girl and she, you know, her thing with American woman,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: her scripted show didn't go like everybody. We sat around
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: during COVID and watched a million documentaries.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Right. And now maybe she's going to do documentaries.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: And she was like, oh my God, I, why? And
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: she probably watched the, you know, Ariana had a documentary,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Selena Gomez, Debbie Lovato, Taylor Swift. They've all had documentaries.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Every Lizzo, everyone's had a documentary about how this is
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: my life and I've worked so hard. Some makeup artist
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: comes in, there's weird sound, you know, it's like, oh,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: the person sits down, you know, like we've all seen
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: the same, same fucking documentary. And so I think she
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: probably was like, Yeah, and I even said, so I
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: am proud of me that I said, one of the
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: times I've discussed it, I said, you know, I think
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: she might have a financial investment in her. I said that.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't predict a documentary.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: But I didn't know if it was her friend.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: Remember that Kyle's friend passed away?
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: She took her own life. Like, she died by suicide.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: And she did have an event, and she had an
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: event honoring her that was filmed for the show, and
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: Morgan is there for that.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: See, so I just felt like she trauma-bonded with that
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: lady because of losing her friend. I mean, I'm just
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: observing from someone who doesn't know anything. Now I'm like, maybe.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: But I know grief a little bit from losing my son.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: It's a lot to lose. Like, if I lost Kathy, too,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's– for women, that's a real bond. That's
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: someone you go tell all your secrets to. They know, like, about, like,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: when you complain about your spouse or your kids or
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: your mom or whatever.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, first of all, Kyle, in how she's handled
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: the– The leaks, whether she leaked this scoop herself or
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: they happened, she hasn't done anything wrong. She said, we've
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: had a hard time. The separated news came out. She said,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: we're not getting divorced. But she didn't say we're not separated.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: She just said that they're trying to work it out.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: She wasn't wearing the ring and the paparazzi caught her.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: She said that was for lifting weights. But she made
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: sure the paparazzi caught her there. She made sure the
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: paparazzi caught her giving her gas. She's hanging out with Mort.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: Now we know. That, you know, she's probably, I mean,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: I think she's probably very fond of her. But maybe
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: there isn't anything romantic. Maybe this was all the way
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: to get people talking about her investment, which is this.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: girl that nobody really, nobody in my world knew who
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: she was.
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  Speaker 2: What were the storylines going to be this year? I mean,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on reality shows, but it seems
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: so quiet. And then like Lisa Rinna's gone. She seemed
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: to be the shitster.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Right. When you lose Rinna, Kathy Hilton isn't appearing.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: So any conflicts they're having or whatever, she is behind
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: closed doors. So yeah, I think both things are probably true.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: I do think You know, they've been married a long time.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe they live a little bit separately. Maybe they spend
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: a little less time together. But I also think she
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: found this girl, and she's going to make her a
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: bigger star. And she already got... When this scandal broke,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: her album came... Dropped literally two days later. So I'm like, wow,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: that was really great timing. And I said, you know, like,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: Kyle knows what the hell she's doing.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: She's been in the biz a long time. I know that.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Not only has she been in the biz since she's four,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: but her niece is Paris Hilton, who... literally is the,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: you know, the forefather of paparazzi press, dropping bombs, dropping hints,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: you know, making social media work for you. Like I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: was like, yes.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: So, but that's a good point.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: But, um, I mean, I think it'll be, yeah. I mean,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I'll always watch.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to watch.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've always enjoyed Beverly Hills is one of
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: the top shows because it's my town. It's my town.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Kyle says it's her town. It's my town too. And, um,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, and then we'll, you know,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: hopefully see like a juicy different side of Erica now
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: that the dust has settled a little bit. And, you know,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: and I do think that in all of it, and
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this too, is that, you know, sometimes
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: when you get involved with any kind of lawsuit or
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: attorneys or, you know, even with my sister as a
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, you know, sometimes you're like, when there's
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: like a horrible tragedy, we're like, there's a car accident
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: and the family's your best friends. And, you know, even
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: though it wasn't someone's fault, some child, whatever, somebody. And
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: they're like, and then we never heard from them. They
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: didn't come to the funeral. We never heard from that.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: And my sister's like, sometimes they say, you know, because
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: it's this heightened thing and there's lawyers and criminal.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: To just stay quiet.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: To just stay quiet. But then it gets seen as like,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: I can't believe you didn't come to my center. It
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: went too far. And so like, I think that she
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: got some of that advice, then had to then still
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: reveal her life on the show.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: And she's still edgy. She is like an ice queen thing.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: I liked the softer side of Erica, like the softer
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: side of Sears. I don't know. I mean, we all
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: talked about it afterwards, and I'm sure people saw some
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: of the quotes in some of the media after the event.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: It really did change the minds. It doesn't really matter
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: what I think. It's more of, you know, what Nancy
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: and Kathy and Josie felt, you know, because they're the
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: ones that were clients that had money taken from Girardi Keys.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: And so the fact they walked away and, you know,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: even afterwards, they sent me messages or text saying, thank
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: you so much for reaching out to Erica's lawyers back
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: then and for this all coming together. I know it
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: was like stressful during your event, but it actually worked
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: out and we're shocked and feel a lot better. That's
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: all I needed to hear to know it was worth,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: you know, doing it. What people think about it. I mean,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: who cares? I care about what the victims think.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, I'm really glad you came and tell everybody.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: where they can follow you. And if they do want
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: to enjoy the delicious homemade ice cream made from you,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: let's talk about that for a second.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: So Paul's Ice Cream Company, we have a website, paulsicecreamcompanyco.com. Um,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: and starting September 1st, which is the nine year anniversary
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: of his death, you'll be able to order it online and, um,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: pick it up at the Valley Inn restaurant and bar
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: in Sherman Oaks. And you can always stop in there. Um,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: that's our little sub home. So you got to have
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: a commercial kitchen to make ice cream. So, um, that's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: our home now. And so we're doing kind of like
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: a partnership with them. so that people can order online
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: and then just pick up there. So you can come in,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: have a cocktail, or just pick up your ice cream
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: and go.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe you'll see the Vanderpump kids doing their spinoff,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: The Valley. Maybe they'll film there, too, and eat their
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: ice cream.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: You never know.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to just go to Beverly Hills, baby.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: Hey, it's a big city.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: You deserve a treat.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.