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School shooting stopped! How a principal’s quick action saved students’ lives · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  You're listening to the Hidden Lightness on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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  I'm your host, Jimmy Hinton.
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  In an astounding video that was publicly released, Paul's Valley, Oklahoma, a principal can be seen attacking a gunman who came into the school fully armed, fully prepared to quote, take as many lives as possible.
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  Nobody was killed in this incident.
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  The principal was the only person injured.
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  And there was a miraculous gun whenever the uh accused person came in and attempted to like a coward shoot up a bunch of innocent shoot children.
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  Now, this story is absolutely phenomenal.
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  And uh Malcolm actually sent this my way.
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  I I was away on vacation, and so I had not heard of this story.
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  This happened on April 7th, and I was like, I gotta do a show on that.
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  That it's just so phenomenal.
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  And what a true hero.
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  This principal is an absolute hero.
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  Uh here's what happened.
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  There's a newly released released video, and it shows somebody who at the Paul's Valley High School.
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  Somebody opened the door for the gunman who was standing at the door.
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  He's a former student.
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  His name is Victor Hawkins, a 20-year-old.
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  Victor enters the school.
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  They have locked doors, but uh, we're gonna talk about security because this is a whole other issue.
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  And we got to talk about how to keep schools and public buildings safe.
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  And I've been told by many people that I'm overreacting, that uh I'm paranoid, that it's absolutely ridiculous to have a security team at church, and uh we're we're scaring the little kids.
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  I've heard it all, and that's within my own congregation.
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  And I gotta tell you, it pays to be vigilant, and what this principal did is nothing short of both miraculous and heroic.
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  Uh he was alert, he was aware, uh, he noticed something was wrong immediately, he acted immediately, he didn't call 911, he didn't barricade himself in in inside of the office, he took action immediately.
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  And I gotta tell you, after watching the video, he's not a spring chicken.
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  The principal, and it just shows this is what I talk about on the show all the time.
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  Everybody has the hidden lightness inside of them.
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  All of us have the ability to act.
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  You don't have to be a star athlete to disarm somebody, and this is a case in point.
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  The principal immediately disarmed the person.
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  He did it quick, he did it aggressively, he did everything 100% right.
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  I mean, this was textbook.
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  This ought to be the video that's shown in every school across America.
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  When they show schools and students and teachers and staff and all the people.
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  When they show them how to respond when somebody comes in, fully armed, ready to go.
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  This ought to be the video that they show.
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  Now, I'm proud that our school changed their uh their training that they do for the students and the teachers for that matter.
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  But they they shifted their training away from lock yourself in a room and and you know, huddle, huddle together.
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  They shifted that because that's actually probably the worst advice that you can take.
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  We'll get into more of that as the show unfolds, but first I want to talk about what actually happened.
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  So I'm gonna read a little bit from a local Oklahoma.
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  This is Oklahoma City, Paul's Valley.
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  I'm gonna read a little bit from a local article because it it lays this out step by step exactly what happened.
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  Security camera video, which was acquired via an open records request from inside the school showed the suspect, 20-year-old Victor Hawkins entered the school shortly before 220 p.m.
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  on April 7 with a firearm after someone pushed on the door and allowed him inside.
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  First of all, a couple things about this.
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  Number one, look at the time.
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  This is very intentional.
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  220.
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  What's going on at 220 p.m.?
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  Well, school dismissal, right?
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  This is right about the time that every single student is being dismissed into where?
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  The hallway.
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  Where did the gunman come into?
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  Where did he begin to attempt to open fire like a little coward that he is?
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  Where did he attempt to open fire?
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  In the hallway.
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  At the first student he saw who was sitting down.
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  Thank God his gun jammed.
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  And that's got to be very traumatic for that student.
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  And so my prayers are with him.
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  Uh, what a thing to endure.
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  There's no child ever who should have to endure having a weapon pointed at them with the intention of pulling the trigger.
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  Never, never should a child be subjected to that.
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  Ever.
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  And I pray that this boy gets the help that he needs.
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  I I pray that uh that he's okay mentally, emotionally.
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  Uh, I can't imagine not walking away from that with some PTSD.
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  I just um I'm speaking for myself.
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  I can't imagine walking away from that and just shrugging that off like it was no big deal.
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  Um, so kudos to the kid, but uh, but the coward will refer to him as the coward from here on out.
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  And I know people are gonna say, well, he he might have or probably has some kind of mental uh illness that's going on.
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  I don't care.
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  I don't care.
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  He's a coward.
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  You can you can do a million other things with mental illness, besides for pointing a gun at innocent children.
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  You can do a million other things with mental illness.
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  Besides for pointing a gun at innocent children.
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  You can do a million other things.
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  You can do a million other things.
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  This was very intentional.
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  This was very intentional.
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  You can tell by the time.
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  You can tell by the time, you can tell by the way he walked in, you can tell by uh what the police acquired.
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  You can tell by the way he walked in.
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  You can tell by uh what the police acquired.
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  This was very planned and thought out.
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  This was very planned and thought out.
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  This wasn't just a whimsical somebody's.
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  This wasn't just a whimsical somebody's getting an urge or a voices whispering in their head, telling them to do this.
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  That's not what this is.
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  This was very well planned out.
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  So at any rate, uh, we'll continue reading here.
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  Hawkins appeared to point and fire a gun before slowly walking into the lobby at Paul's Valley High School.
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  Investigators told Coco 5, that's KO C O that the gun jammed.
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  A person could be seen coming into the frame, and Hawkins attempted to cock the gun before pointing it at someone sitting on the bench in the lobby.
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  Now they should say that someone you can very clearly see in the video that someone is not someone, that someone is a child.
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  That someone sitting on the bench is a boy, a student.
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  So I I kind of wish that they would have written this to say he pointed, he cocked the gun and pointed it at a child sitting on the bench, minding his own business, literally just sitting in the lobby, probably waiting for for the bell to ring.
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  He had his backpack on, it looked like he was ready to go.
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  He's probably waiting for whoever's picking him up at school to pick him up, minding his own business, being what children are, and that's completely 100% innocent.
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  And this coward cocked a gun, pointed it at him, and it appears the gun jammed.
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  The principal, Kirk Moore.
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  I would say the hero.
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  I would change that.
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  They or the hero principal.
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  The hero principal, Kirk Moore, the angel, could then be seen opening a door and rushing at Hawkins from the side, tackling him onto a bench against the wall.
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  The person sitting in the lobby ran, again, the person.
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  The child.
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  Sometimes you have to correct articles.
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  The child sitting in the lobby ran as Kirk held Hawkins down.
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  At one point, the gun was pointed directly at Moore's head.
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  I I can't imagine.
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  Hero Principal Kirk Moore.
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  Having a gun pointed at your head right after you tackle the shooter.
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  I'm telling you, this guy, and he didn't let up.
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  He didn't he didn't cower, he didn't wince.
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  He was fully 100% prepared.
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  I'm fully convinced of this.
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  Kirk Moore, Principal Kirk Moore, hero, was fully prepared to take a bullet to the head.
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  Fully prepared.
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  He didn't wince, he didn't cower, he didn't throw his hands up, he didn't wave a white flag.
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  He kept fighting.
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  And because of that, because of that heroism and quick wit and thinking and bravery and all these things combined into one.
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  He was able to successfully disarm the gunman, the coward, the loser.
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  Another staff member quickly arrived and kicked away the gun that Hawkins just dropped.
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  Amazing.
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  This is amazing.
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  Another hero who turned out, I believe, to be the assistant principal.
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  You gotta send your kids to this school.
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  I don't normally do promotions of schools, but I'm gonna promote this school.
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  This is where you want to send your kids.
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  This is where you want to send your kids.
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  These people don't mess around.
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  I don't know what hero Kirk Moore's background is.
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  I don't know if he spent time in the military.
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  I don't know if he was trained.
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  The article doesn't really say.
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  I'll do a little bit, a little bit of digging over the break and see if I can find any kind of background on him.
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  But it appears.
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  Nothing says that he has any kind of training.
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  It appears he's an ordinary individual like you and I.
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  Who instead of pulling his phone out and you know getting his two seconds of fame and filming things, and you know, I I I gotta I gotta film it.
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  It already was on film.
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  The school had cameras, principal hero Kirkmoore knew this, and he just jumped into action.
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  That's so amazing.
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  The assistant principal, the other staff member, showed up right away, kicked the gun away that Hawkins had just dropped, got it away from the perp.
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  That's quick thinking.
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  That's amazing.
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  These guys have to have some kind of training.
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  I mean, or they just have really, really good street smarts and common sense.
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  At some point during the incident, Moore, Principal Moore, was shot in the leg.
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  He still kept fighting.
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  He kept his weight.
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  He kept his body weight on top of the perp until the police showed up.
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  That's incredible.
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  He was flown to OU Health in Oklahoma City, where he was treated and released a few days later.
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  Thank God.
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  Thank God he walked away with what appear to be minor injuries.
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  He definitely walked away with his life, and he certainly walked away with the story.
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  Moore is recovering at home, and he spent a few hours at Paul's Valley High School on Monday.
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  That's so cool.
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  Had to show up and check on his kids.
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  Make sure everybody's okay, and his staff.
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  And his staff.
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  Hawkins was booked into the Garvin County jail on two counts of pointing a firearm, one count of shooting with intent to kill, and two counts of unlawful carry.
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  Hawkins was booked into the Garvin County jail on two counts of pointing a firearm, one count of shooting with intent to kill, and two counts of unlawful carry.
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  Surely they're going to be able to find more charges than that.
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  Surely they're going to be able to find more charges than that.
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  Surely they can find more charges than two counts of pointing a firearm.
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  Surely they can find more charges than two counts of pointing a firearm.
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  One
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  One count of shooting with intent to kill.
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  First of all, all right.
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  This is what's frustrating.
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  And I am not a law enforcement officer.
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  But this is what's frustrating.
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  As as somebody who's part of the general public, they only charged him with one count of shooting with intent to kill.
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  My guess is that wasn't the bullet that actually came out of the gun, because that shot the principal, Principal Moore in the leg.
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  I I I guess the one count of shooting with intent to kill is when he pointed it point blank at the student, who, by the way, did have his hands up.
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  Yeah, held both hands up, don't shoot, don't shoot.
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  He pulled the trigger.
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  It misfired.
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  It jammed.
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  He gets one count of shooting with intent to kill.
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  If I were a police officer, now I know it's up to the courts, it's up to the judge.
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  From what I understand, talking to people who are in law enforcement, they rack up every single charge that they possibly can.
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  And they say, because we know some of the some of them are going to be thrown out just because they're invalid.
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  Some are going to be pled away as part of a plea deal.
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  If they plead, some of the charges will be pled away.
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  And so we throw every single charge that we can think of to hope that as many of them stick as possible.
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  So my question is why didn't those police officers take every single bullet that was in every single magazine and count every one of those?
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  They know that his intent was to fire every single shot.
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  He said it.
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  Why would you not count every single one of those as shooting with intent to kill?
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  So if he had 30 bullets, you do 30 charges, 30 counts of shooting with intent to kill.
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  I just that's what I don't understand, but at any rate, I digress.
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  We are coming up on a break.
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  We'll talk more about this after the break, but this is absolutely uh phenomenal.
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  And again, kudos to the hero principal.
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  Principal Kirk Moore.
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  Uh you are definitely a hero.
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  On April 7th, a gunman, uh coward, a loser, uh, somebody who was obsessed with the Columbine shooting and wanted to imitate the Columbine shooting shooting.
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  He walked into a school district about 60 miles south of Oklahoma City, and he attempted to open fire, uh, the gun jammed, and then after unjaming unjamming the gun, he did in fact open fire.
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  That's when principal very quickly walked out, rushed him, Principal Kirk Moore, who is an absolute hero.
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  He walked out, rushed him, and tackled him while taking a shot to his own right leg.
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  Uh, he has fully recovered since, or at least was released from the hospital where he is recovering.
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  Uh, he's expected to have a full recovery.
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  Uh, but uh this is a textbook case of what to do during the school.
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  Now, over the break, I did look and uh I I wanted to research.
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  I found an article that has a lot more detail than the local article.
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  This is a guardian article, and it gives a lot more detail.
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  And as I suspected, Principal Kirk Moore was in fact trained.
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  He did exactly what he was trained to do, and that folks is why training is essential.
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  It's why it's really, really important.
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  Uh, just on Friday, my mom and I got to participate.
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  We were invited by a state senator to do a training for now.
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  To do a training for now, get this.
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  Get this.
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  This is really cool.
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  This is really cool.
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  I've never seen this done before.
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  I've never seen this done before.
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  To train groups of people who go into people's homes.
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  To train groups of people who go into people's homes.
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  Tradesmen, plumbers, electricians, uh, appliance repairmen.
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  Tradesmen, plumbers, electricians, appliance repairmen.
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  We had the privilege and the honor to train them on what to look for.
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  We had the privilege and the honor to train them on what to look for.
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  Now, this is for anti human sex trafficking.
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  Now, this is for anti-human sex trafficking.
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  And my specialty, my area of expertise happens to be abused in plain sight.
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  So this was right up my alley.
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  This was my my wheelhouse.
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  It was really cool to get to do that.
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  But I talked to uh to the good senator, and I said, why this group of people?
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  And he said, Well, it's really simple.
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  Oftentimes, mandated reporters never really get to see the parents.
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  They see the kids, you know, at daycares and schools and things like that, but they never get or rarely get to see the parents.
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  And they especially don't get to see the parents and the kids interact within their own home environment.
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  But you know who does?
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  The electricians, the plumbers, the appliance repairmen.
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  Those kinds of people, they have eyes on the kids.
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  They get to see them, and they get to see them interact with the parents.
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  Now, you know what I don't teach people who are going into people's homes.
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  Well, look for the person handing out lollipops to the kids.
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  I don't talk about grooming behavior and how they groom kids and slowly gain their trust because that's not that's not what's happening.
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  And that kind of training is really really dated.
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  Uh, just like the training in schools, the training for all the kids to huddle up into one place and lock the door and barricade yourself inside the classroom, that's outdated.
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  And so the new kind of training is really, really effective.
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  It's really good.
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  It is top notch.
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  And uh as I did a little bit of digging over the break, I found out that this Oklahoma school does in fact have this kind of training.
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  In fact, everybody said the same thing.
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  Yeah, we're not surprised at all that uh this was Principal Moore's reaction.
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  Uh doesn't shock us one bit.
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  He did what he was trained to do.
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  Well, I could tell in the video that it looked like this wasn't just kind of instinct.
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  Uh, though I think there were some instinctive things that he did, it looked to me like this was almost like a muscle memory.
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  Like he had been trained how to do this, and uh the assistant principal coming and kicking the gun away.
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  And the reason I I I think or thought, and now confirmed that there was training behind this is because that's not really instinct.
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  Instinct is to run, instinct is to hide.
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  Our instinct is not to run into the line of fire.
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  And it takes a lot of conditioning to overcome that and to actually uh disarm somebody.
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  It's not easy to do.
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  What he did, you know, people can look at the video and be like, oh, anybody can do that.
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  Well, not necessarily.
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  You know, first of all, at his age and uh physical stamina, uh, which probably is not as good as it was years ago, uh, it takes a lot.
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  It really does.
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  And the way that he tackled him was highly effective, just very, very, very smart and uh methodical, and uh he knew what he was doing.
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  And you can see that in the video.
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  So at any rate, here's a The Guardian uh article that gives a lot more detail.
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  So he was shot in the leg as he wrestled the attacker, a 20-year-old said by court documents to be obsessed with the 1999 shooting at Colorado's Columbine High School, in which 12 students and one teacher were killed.
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  Again, what kind of a loser is obsessed with massacres?
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  Who looks at that and is like, oh, I want to I want to be a copycat?
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  It's not normal behavior, it's not acceptable behavior.
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  Authorities in Garvin County, about 60 miles south of Oklahoma City, said Moore's action of racing from his office into the school's lobby and throwing himself on top of the suspect, undoubtedly prevented a tragedy.
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  Uh, amen.
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  There's not a question in anybody's mind that he prevented a tragedy.
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  Now, listen to this.
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  Don May, chief of this uh of the Paul's Valley Police Department said this.
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  It doesn't surprise me the actions that he took, but it's amazing the actions that he took.
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  All right, he's gonna be the first of several people who are saying the same thing.
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  Not surprising.
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  Doesn't surprise me.
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  All right, so we have to ask the question.
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  Well, why is he not surprised?
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  Because typically, that's surprising.
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  Somebody tackles an active gunman.
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  That's surprising.
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  Not to the chief of the Paul's Valley Police Department, Don May.
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  Yeah, it doesn't surprise me.
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  It's amazing, but it doesn't surprise me.
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  He said, There's not a doubt in my mind that he saved kids' lives.
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  Again, amen.
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  Investigators said the alleged attacker, Victor Lee Hawkins fired several shots before he was disarmed by Moore and another staff member who arrived to help.
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  Nobody was hurt other than the principal who needed hospital treatment for a wound to his lower right leg.
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  Um it lists the charges.
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  Uh again, I wish he would have gotten a lot more charges than that.
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  Uh about 20 minutes before the incident.
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  Hawkins, a 2025 graduate of the high school, took two of his father's weapons from a closet in their home and drove to the campus with the intent of killing students, faculty, and finally himself.
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  Hawkins entered the school, pointed his pistol, and yelled for everyone to get on the ground.
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  Uh he pointed the gun at a female student in the lobby and pulled the trigger, but the weapon malfunctioned.
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  Now, I thought it was the boy sitting on the bench that he pulled the trigger and it malfunctioned.
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  I thought it was the boy sitting on the bench that he pulled the trigger and it malfunctioned.
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  That apparently is not the case.
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  That apparently is not the case.
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  He first pointed it at a female student who was also in the lobby, pulled the trigger, nothing happened.
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  He first pointed it at a female student who is also in the lobby.
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  Pulled the trigger, nothing happened.
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  The weapon malfunctioned.
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  The weapon malfunctioned.
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  Hawkins then stepped out from behind the vending machine and pointed his gun at a male student in the foyer.
• 28:18
  Hawkins then stepped out from behind the vending machine and pointed his gun at a male student in the foyer.
• 28:24
  That's what you see in the video.
• 28:24
  That's what you see in the video.
• 28:26
  Principal Moore then came out of his office and charged at Hawkins.
• 28:26
  Principal Moore then came out of his office and charged at Hawkins.
• 28:32
  Mussett said that Hawkins told him he wanted to, quote, conduct his own school shooting like the Columbine shooters did.
• 28:41
  Referring to the 1999 Colorado tragedy in which two teenage assailants took their own lives after murdering students and staff.
• 28:51
  Hawkins did not like Moore.
• 28:53
  Therefore, Hawkins went to the school to kill Moore.
• 28:58
  All right, this is just this insane.
• 29:01
  Literally insane.
• 29:02
  He's insane.
• 29:06
  He doesn't like the principal, so his intention was to walk in and to shoot him.
• 29:10
  Well, he did.
• 29:12
  He just didn't kill him.
• 29:14
  Moore, Principal Moore, kept, he got and kept the upper hand the entire time.
• 29:22
  I love that.
• 29:24
  Absolutely love that.
• 29:26
  Not liking a principal is not a reason to go into a school and to shoot anybody.
• 29:33
  To shoot students and the principal.
• 29:36
  Not liking, you know, this is this is part of what's wrong with the uh the rage that I talk about.
• 29:44
  This rage that comes from the left.
• 29:48
  I just I don't like it because, and people say things like, well, it's it's justified anger.
• 29:56
  Right during George George Floyd, the George Floyd protests, people were burning businesses down, and there were people, people who I respect who are like, well, they're just buildings.
• 30:06
  People need a way to express their anger.
• 30:10
  They're not just buildings, they're businesses.
• 30:15
  That's how people put food into the mouths of their family by working, by showing up to work.
• 30:22
  It's not just the people who own the business.
• 30:24
  Well, they have insurance, that's what I was told.
• 30:27
  They have insurance.
• 30:30
  You're missing the point.
• 30:32
  The point is that when you rage and you take that auto out on other people, people lose jobs.
• 30:39
  They lose their livelihood.
• 30:42
  People lose their lives.
• 30:48
  Right?
• 30:48
  Then you get deranged people who they want to take it a step further.
• 30:52
  It's not just keying up the Teslas and painting swastikas on them and setting fire to them or setting fire to police departments with police officers inside.
• 31:03
  It's not just that.
• 31:05
  It's that then deranged people get even more deranged and they see other people doing deranged things, and it justifies the deranged things that they want to do.
• 31:15
  Then they're like, oh, Columbine.
• 31:18
  They're my heroes.
• 31:20
  Not the students, but the shooters.
• 31:26
  And this is why the whole rage culture, it just doesn't appeal to me.
• 31:31
  I don't think it's cool.
• 31:32
  You know, it used to be the video games, right?
• 31:34
  People are like, well, if kids play violent video games, they're gonna turn out to be violent.
• 31:41
  It's not the video games I'm concerned with, folks.
• 31:44
  It's the politicians.
• 31:47
  It's it's the protesters.
• 31:49
  It's their rhetoric that justifies people who and I'm not saying it's wrong to be angry.
• 31:58
  Uh I get angry a lot at abusive situations where abusers, I get angry a lot.
• 32:06
  But I don't dwell on my anger, I don't react out of anger.
• 32:11
  I get angry inside, I get sad.
• 32:16
  But it's this idea that you know, we need to get them.
• 32:20
  Listen to some of the rhetoric coming from politicians on the left.
• 32:24
  We need to get in their face.
• 32:26
  I don't care if you're in a public space, you need to get in their face, you need to shove them around.
• 32:33
  Excuse me.
• 32:36
  You know, it's that kind of stuff that motivates people who are on the fence of being just completely off of planet Earth.
• 32:48
  And this is a case in point.
• 32:50
  You know, at some point, somebody said something that justified in his mind, it justified a school shooting.
• 32:58
  He's like, Yeah, we I hate that principle.
• 33:02
  We need to get even.
• 33:05
  So this rage culture, in my opinion, is far more dangerous than video games.
• 33:12
  Because this is real life.
• 33:15
  And you have real life politicians telling real life people to get angry, get in their faces.
• 33:25
  And it's just not cool.
• 33:27
  All right, so at any rate, uh, 20 20 minutes earlier, 20 minutes before the incident, Hawkins took two of his dad's guns.
• 33:37
  You know, because he can't buy his own, he's got to use daddy's guns as a 20-year-old.
• 33:43
  Um he wanted to conduct his own school shooting like the Columbine shooters did.
• 33:50
  But here's the statement.
• 33:52
  In a statement on its website, under the heading of Safe School, it details Paul's Valley preparations for such an incident.
• 34:00
  They put it right on their website.
• 34:03
  Yeah, we're prepared for this.
• 34:05
  You come into our school, you're gonna get tackled.
• 34:07
  We're gonna throw everything we have at you.
• 34:10
  We're gonna take padlocks and throw them at your head if you walk into our school building and think you're gonna shoot up the place.
• 34:19
  All right, quote, throughout the past decade, the high school has also developed and practiced safety measures to be taken should there be an intruder or dangerous individual on campus, it said.
• 34:30
  This is right on their website.
• 34:32
  It is our foremost concern that our students feel and are safe at school.
• 34:39
  I love this school.
• 34:40
  I legitimately love this school.
• 34:45
  For over a decade, they've been upgrading and improving their their training in the off chance, it's incredibly rare, in the off chance that an active shooter would get inside of the school and open fire.
• 35:00
  Fire.
• 35:00
  It happened.
• 35:00
  It happened.
• 35:04
  And their training kicked in.
• 35:04
  And their training kicked in.
• 35:08
  Uh several former students told Oklahoma City's ABC news affiliate, Coco, they were not surprised by Moore's action.
• 35:08
  Several former students told Oklahoma City's ABC news affiliate, Coco, they were not surprised by Moore's action.
• 35:16
  Here we go again.
• 35:16
  Here we go again.
• 35:17
  People are not surprised at Principal Moore's action.
• 35:17
  People are not surprised at Principal Moore's action.
• 35:21
  Quote if some student was to get harmed, he would definitely take a bullet for him.
• 35:21
  Quote, if some student was to get harmed, he would definitely take a bullet for him.
• 35:26
  I believe that.
• 35:26
  I believe that, Spencer Flynn said.
• 35:28
  Spencer Flynn said.
• 35:30
  It's what I'm talking about.
• 35:32
  I didn't find this article until over the break.
• 35:34
  I said before the break, Principal Moore would have taken a bullet.
• 35:38
  He had a gun pointed at his head.
• 35:40
  He was willing to take a bullet for those students.
• 35:44
  And here you have students saying that.
• 35:47
  Yeah.
• 35:48
  He would definitely take a bullet for him.
• 35:50
  That's a quote by a student.
• 35:54
  In a statement reported by NBC, Moore said that he was grateful for quote, an outpouring of love and support that followed the incident.
• 36:03
  Like so many educators around the country, we prepare for these events through training and careful assessment of the threats.
• 36:12
  Mr.
• 36:12
  Moore said.
• 36:13
  I am grateful that my instincts and training as well as God's hand were available to me.
• 36:20
  I love everything about that quote.
• 36:24
  I'm grateful that my instincts and training, as well as God's hand, were available to me.
• 36:31
  He had all the tools in his tool belt.
• 36:35
  He had great instincts.
• 36:37
  He had great training, and he had a great God Almighty who jammed the gun and uh and kept innocent people from being harmed.
• 36:46
  Those things combined are no pun intended, a godsend.
• 36:54
  And this story is incredible.
• 36:57
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• 39:15
  Hero principal Kirk Moore.
• 39:18
  Bravely tackled and disarmed, successfully disarmed a school shooter who came in.
• 39:25
  And I don't like anything about school shooters.
• 39:30
  I think they're cowards.
• 39:32
  I think they're uh ridiculously weak people.
• 39:38
  I I think they're deranged, they're evil.
• 39:42
  It's just pure evil, and it's really hard to wrap your mind around it.
• 39:46
  But uh, you know, training is essential.
• 39:49
  Training is absolutely 100% essential to be able to uh notice when things are a little bit off because a lot of people, believe it or not, uh well, you know, with modern distractions, it's probably not that hard to believe that a lot of us are caught in our own little world, and we don't notice a whole lot of things that are happening right around us.
• 40:10
  Now we claim that we do, and we get offended if somebody suggests otherwise.
• 40:16
  We're like, well, I I can pay attention.
• 40:19
  I'm aware of what's going on around me.
• 40:21
  Or people will say things like this.
• 40:23
  If I saw any bit of danger, I'd be the first to step in.
• 40:28
  And I would take care of it.
• 40:30
  Well, it's great to feel that way, but feeling that way and being trained to do so are two very different things.
• 40:40
  Because honestly, most of us, if not all of us, are extremely vulnerable to the way that we're naturally kind of programmed as humans, and that is to protect ourselves when you see danger, and it's not that that's a bad thing.
• 40:58
  That's what keeps us in survival mode.
• 41:01
  That's why we call it that.
• 41:03
  We call it survival mode because you're surviving a catastrophic event.
• 41:09
  And so, in order to survive, we typically take a defensive stance.
• 41:15
  You know, we hear about fight or flight, but there's actually another one.
• 41:21
  You know, our automatic responses are fight, flight, or freeze.
• 41:29
  And you can actually see it in the video.
• 41:33
  And and by the way, fight is typically not the most common uh response.
• 41:41
  Very few people have a fight response whenever they feel threatened.
• 41:49
  Most people are most likely either in the uh flight, you run away, or the freeze, you just freeze up and stick your hands up and say, please don't shoot, or whatever it is.
• 42:00
  Shoot, or whatever it is.
• 42:02
  And you can see that in the video.
• 42:02
  And you can see that in the video.
• 42:04
  You can see the fight, flight, and freeze, all three responses.
• 42:04
  You can see the fight, flight, and freeze, all three responses.
• 42:11
  There are students who ran.
• 42:11
  There are students who ran.
• 42:14
  There's the the the male student who sat with his hands up.
• 42:14
  There's the male student who sat with his hands up.
• 42:20
  You know, and and you can't this this is not placing judgment on people.
• 42:20
  You know, and you can't this this is not placing judgment on people.
• 42:25
  It's just these are our automatic responses.
• 42:25
  It's just these are our automatic responses.
• 42:29
  And in his mind,
• 42:29
  And in his mind, he was probably like, uh, oh crap, what's happening?
• 42:33
  You know, it takes you a second to really process what's actually happening.
• 42:37
  There's a gun, it's pointed at me, and the man's about to pull the trigger.
• 42:43
  In his mind, in this kid's mind, he probably didn't have anywhere to go.
• 42:49
  And he felt cornered.
• 42:51
  Well, that's the freeze response.
• 42:55
  And thank God that Principal Kirk Moore, he came and rushed from the side, and he took the man down.
• 43:05
  He took the coward down.
• 43:09
  And it goes back to training.
• 43:11
  We have to be trained.
• 43:14
  Now, here's what I recommend as parents, grandparents, uh, caregivers, whatever you are, uh of these kids that are in school, ask them questions about the type of training that they get.
• 43:28
  What specific things do they talk about?
• 43:31
  What step by step do they tell you to do?
• 43:34
  Throw different scenarios at your kids.
• 43:37
  Don't be afraid to make them think.
• 43:42
  You know, like we shouldn't just assume that, well, they're they're in the care of the schools, and it's up to the schools to take care of them, and they have locks on the door, and they have to buzz people in, and well, you see how quickly that system gets overridden.
• 43:57
  And in this case, somebody on the inside, we don't know who why, but I see this happen all the time at my kids' school.
• 44:06
  I've had it happen to me.
• 44:07
  Where somebody's standing inside the door, you go to Buzz, and somebody's like, ah, we'll save you the headache.
• 44:15
  They have no idea who's on the other side of that glass, and they just open it.
• 44:22
  They push the push bar and they open the door, and you know, they exchange pleasantries.
• 44:27
  Thank you.
• 44:27
  Oh, you're welcome.
• 44:30
  And now you're inside.
• 44:31
  It's that easy to override a system.
• 44:34
  So a system like that, where you have to buzz people in, a security system, it's only as strong as the weakest link.
• 44:44
  Well, the weakest link is all around.
• 44:48
  And people could say, well, why don't you lock it from the inside too?
• 44:52
  You can't.
• 44:53
  By law, you cannot.
• 44:56
  These doors have to be able to be pushed open from the inside unhindered in case of any kind of emergency event.
• 45:05
  A fire breaks out, a shooter comes in the school, and people need to escape.
• 45:10
  There are all kinds of scenarios.
• 45:12
  So these doors have to open up from the inside, unimpeded.
• 45:18
  And it's so easy for somebody just to push the door open.
• 45:24
  And you see somebody standing outside, and you're like, oh, well, the assumption is they're here to pick up a kid or they're here to talk to somebody on staff.
• 45:32
  I'll just open the door for them.
• 45:34
  So I encourage people to not do that.
• 45:38
  Train your kids to not do that.
• 45:40
  And it's really difficult because it's awkward.
• 45:44
  You see somebody standing outside, and you feel bad because you're like, oh, well, they're buzzing in, and what if what if people don't hear them?
• 45:51
  What if they don't hear the buzzer?
• 45:53
  And it feels natural to just open the door for somebody.
• 45:57
  Do not do that.
• 46:01
  That literally could be anybody.
• 46:03
  And in this case, it almost ended in very, very bad tragedy.
• 46:09
  And I've seen this happen time and time and time and time again.
• 46:14
  Almost every single time I go to my kids' schools.
• 46:19
  Somebody inevitably will just pop the door open.
• 46:24
  Don't do it.
• 46:28
  I know it's tempting.
• 46:31
  I know that it seems like the polite thing to do.
• 46:35
  You're afraid of what people think about you if you don't prop the door open for them.
• 46:40
  It doesn't matter.
• 46:41
  Don't do it.
• 46:42
  We have systems in place for a reason.
• 46:46
  As I mentioned, talk to your kids.
• 46:48
  Talk to them about safety programs, trainings.
• 46:53
  What do they teach you?
• 46:54
  Do they teach you and be very specific?
• 46:56
  Do they teach you to go in the class and to huddle as a group to barricade yourself inside the room?
• 47:03
  Or do they teach you to uh throw things at the person?
• 47:10
  Do they teach you to escape if there's a clear escape to get out of the school?
• 47:14
  Do they teach you how to get out?
• 47:17
  That really matters.
• 47:20
  And as I mentioned, the old school system says, well, you you know, there's safety in numbers, and so you gather together, you hudd, you barricade the door, you shut the blinds, and they won't be able to see, and and uh they'll you know, they'll be deterred deterred.
• 47:36
  Well, the reality is if they know there's a whole group of kids in there, and what's their goal, the goal of a shooter, and you heard it from this guy.
• 47:47
  It was to have as many bodies as possible.
• 47:52
  So for them, that's exactly what they want.
• 47:56
  That's not a deterrent.
• 47:58
  You've now created a magnet that's pulling that shooter to that room because he or she knows that that room is full of kids, and they're all barricaded inside of there, and they're all probably most likely sitting together, they're grouped together, they're clustered together.
• 48:17
  And I don't want to get graphic here, but it doesn't take much imagination to know what the plan is, the next plan, even if they can't get inside of that room physically, there are windows around, and you know what most likely they're gonna start doing.
• 48:36
  And and so what training your kids get really matters.
• 48:42
  Now, our kids are taught uh, you know, to be a distraction for kids to to go separate ways to not stay bundled together, uh, to be moving targets, to throw things, whatever you have, you throw it the person, book bags, uh, chairs, desks, anything that you can pick up and throw and and and hurt the person, you do it.
• 49:00
  Have you throw it the person, book bags, uh chairs, desks, anything that you can pick up and throw and and and hurt the person, you do it.
• 49:11
  If you can blind them somehow, uh, you you blind them so that they can't see where the targets are.
• 49:11
  If you can blind them somehow, uh you you blind them so that they can't see where the targets are, you know, and on and on and on.
• 49:19
  You know, and on and on and on.
• 49:21
  And there is a time and a place for locking yourself inside of a room, but you have to know what that circumstance is.
• 49:21
  And there is a time and a place for locking yourself inside of a room, but you have to know what that circumstance is.
• 49:26
  When is the right time to run and when is the right time to stay?
• 49:26
  When is the right time to run and when is the right time to stay?
• 49:30
  Those things really matter, and so you can see it with Principal Kirk Moore.
• 49:36
  His training was if you have a clear, a clear line of view, and you can get to the person, you do it.
• 49:45
  You tackle them, use your body, use whatever you have.
• 49:50
  If you have something physically in your hand, a flashlight, uh a book, anything, you use that, and uh you use that as a weapon to knock the the weapon out of their hand, and if you don't have that, you just you use the physical force and uh the inertia of of your body at motion, you use that.
• 50:17
  And that's exactly what Principal Kirk Moore did.
• 50:20
  I encourage everybody to watch the video.
• 50:22
  I will link to these articles in the show notes.
• 50:24
  I highly encourage you to watch the video because again, it's textbook of exactly what you should do.
• 50:32
  And I know there are people who are like, well, you should never do that because there are trainings out there that say that.
• 50:38
  You should never do that because they could uh you could knock their hand and it could turn, and the reflex could be their finger on the trigger, and they end up taking out an innocent person.
• 50:52
  Or they end up taking you out, and they still get to the kids.
• 50:58
  Well, my question is what's the alternative?
• 51:02
  Yeah, you know, you you've you've got to use common sense, and you've got to appeal to the training.
• 51:09
  It's gotta be really good training.
• 51:13
  And this is again, it's such a case in point that many children's lives were saved because of the heroic actions of Principal Kirk Moore.
• 51:28
  And his actions were a direct result of his really good training.
• 51:34
  Training matters, and I'm not talking about one training every 15 years.
• 51:42
  This is an annual training, at least annual, probably for them.
• 51:46
  It's it's uh biannual.
• 51:49
  I think our school does one every half year.
• 51:53
  Don't quote me on that, but I think they do two trainings per school year.
• 51:58
  They have our local police involved, they have local police inside of the school, so they have a constant presence in the school.
• 52:05
  The kids know them by name, they know every single officer by name, and so those officers are part of the training when they train the kids.
• 52:14
  And I think it's brilliant to use familiar people, people that the kids know and they trust the police officers have a good relationship with the kids, and vice versa.
• 52:25
  That way, in the case of an emergency, somebody barks orders.
• 52:29
  Guess what?
• 52:30
  The kids are gonna listen.
• 52:32
  They're gonna listen to what the police officers tell them because one, they've been trained together, and two, they know and they trust the police officers.
• 52:43
  So there are all kinds of things that we can do, but we've got to do them.
• 52:48
  Ask your school if they do trainings.
• 52:51
  You might be surprised to know that a lot of parents don't even know if they're if their schools are doing these kinds of trainings.
• 52:58
  But it's really, really, really important.
• 53:00
  In fact, it's essential.
• 53:03
  And I liken this too.
• 53:05
  Uh, we we were just on vacation, as I mentioned, and we went to the beach just for for like not even half a day.
• 53:14
  And my kids, they absolutely love swimming in the ocean.
• 53:19
  And uh I was talking to my boys, and I said, Man, this beach is really packed.
• 53:26
  Let's see if we can see any rip currents.
• 53:29
  And we looked out, and and it was pretty weak.
• 53:32
  Uh, the current was really weak, the undertow was weak.
• 53:35
  So the chances were pretty low.
• 53:38
  And uh sure enough, we didn't spot any, but uh we were talking about that, and uh we talk very often and very openly with our kids about rip currents.
• 53:48
  How do you identify them?
• 53:51
  How do you get out of them?
• 53:54
  What do you do step by step?
• 53:57
  And we watch videos together, we talk about it because it it saves lives.
• 54:03
  That kind of training saves lives.
• 54:05
  And it's incredible to me how many people die every single year from rip currents and believe that once you're in a rip current, you're you're doomed.
• 54:15
  That is 100% false.
• 54:19
  They are absolutely survivable, 100%, 110% survivable 100% of the time.
• 54:28
  If you basically know how to swim, I'm not talking being a strong swimmer.
• 54:34
  If you know how to float, you can survive a rip current.
• 54:39
  They will not pull you under.
• 54:41
  That's a myth.
• 54:43
  There are so many myths out there, and it gets people killed.
• 54:47
  Every single year, people die, even good swimmers, they die from rip currents because they believe these myths.
• 54:54
  They've not been trained.
• 54:56
  And that's one of those things that I I push everywhere I go, and I do trainings on sexual abuse.
• 55:02
  I talk about rip currents too, because everybody swims, like a lot of people.
• 55:07
  A lot of people swim, and the the majority of Americans don't know basic knowledge on how to survive a rip current.
• 55:18
  And rip currents are everywhere, they are all over the place.
• 55:24
  So these kinds of trainings are absolutely essential.
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  What are the statistical likelihoods or chances that you're gonna get caught in a rip current?
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  I don't know.
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  I've been in two my entire life, and I uh I've been to the beach countless times.
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  So I I'd say slim, but I've been in them.
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  I've been pulled out to sea.
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  They do happen.
• 55:52
  Stay with school shootings.
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  They're rare, they're extremely rare, but they do happen.
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  We've got to be trained.
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  We have to have these kinds of conversations with our kids, with our school staff.
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  We have to have these kinds of conversations with our kids, with our school staff.
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  Uh, talk to them, communicate.
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  Uh, talk to them, communicate.
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  And I promise the world will be a much safer place.
• 56:07
  And I promise the world will be a much safer place.
• 56:11
  Kudos to hero principal Kirk Moore.
• 56:11
  Kudos to hero principal Kirk Moore.
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  I I just I can't say enough good things about him.
• 56:15
  I I just I can't say enough good things about him.
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  This story truly, truly is inspiring.
• 56:18
  This story truly, truly is inspiring.
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  This is what we need more of here in America.
• 56:22
  This is what we need more of here in America.
• 56:25
  You can find more out about my show if you go to the menu navigation bar at AmericaOut Loud.news under our shows or schedule.
• 56:25
  You can find more out about my show if you.
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  You'll be in the know.
• 56:36
  There's a hidden lightness that shines inside of every single one of us.
• 56:40
  When there's so much darkness that envelops the world, remember that it doesn't take much light to expose that darkness and to ultimately inspire other people.
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  Join me in being a light.