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Is now so lovely and I've been the area, thanks so much, and
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I was kind of kind of treating with well, Kalamazoo is a hotel,
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room, a bar, and this place to me and the case that I
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had a moment, I mean, other than looking out the bus windows,
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I do wish I had a moment to uh investigate because downtown looks beautifulness just
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it really looks lovely. So next time I'll make a date just for that,
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but beyond that. Right now, Kalamazoo in Michigan and this whole area
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is you, guys, and you've been so lovely. It's been so amazing
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to talk to you. Really great, awesome. Well, I kind of
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wanted to kick this off with, uh, let's first talk a little bit
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about no, no no before ki Alright, some of the things you did
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or some of the things you were kind of hoping to do before before she
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came into your life. Well, I I wanted to be an actor from
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a very young age. And it's hard to explain to younger people what it
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was like in I came up in the UH, graduated seventy five, went
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right into I. I got into Princeton, but I just started working and
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I diverred, I think for four years and then went A, I'm never
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going I'm just I'm in my life already, I'm acting. And what was
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available to me as an actor was the girlfriend, the wife, the dead
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wife, then the girl who's after the husband, who's you know, it's
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it was all or even kids. I remember I was twenty five. I
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no, I was thirty, and the kid playing my son was twenty five.
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So it's just like, you know, you're in these roles and it's
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all performative, and you learn how to be what they expect in Hollywood and
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in New York where I work. So getting Kira was like blowing open what
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I could do and what I was allowed to do. And I I've said
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it very often A When I got the script, it was you know,
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major Kira, and she was angry at the lead character. And I called
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my manager and I said, I think I th that was my audition.
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And I said, I think you've got it wrong. This is a man's
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role, this isn't w and it isn't no. They want a woman.
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And it was like, oh my god, and I'm not playing an evil
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character. And I get to be angry and I get to have all these
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different emotions. So whatever I not I wanted to do, Kira just blew
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it open. That's excellent sideway. Cause Terry was up on the stage last
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year and she's a good friend of yours. Oh yeah, awesome, Oh
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my god. Yes, she was fantastic, and I told her Deep Space
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nine was my gateway. That's where I started when it was time to start
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watching Uh Star Trek. I I'd known about the Kirk and you know it's
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not you know already your pop callsure. So my husband's like, we're gonna
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start. Here's the best one. Okay, let's do this. And we
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get into it, and you are a spin tire right out the gate.
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You's a firecracker. And I just kind of wonder, what did you know
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uh about Kia and what were you able to shape along the way. The
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most important thing was to choose an alien, which you meant I didn't have
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to follow what the culture was saying a woman was like, and she was
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in the future, so I could just filled her with everything I ever wanted
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UH to to show or be, which was full spectrum of human funny.
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Yes, I know she wasn't a human, but that's where I got to
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do it awesome, So that kind of gave is a communist really go for
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it. It did, and it wasn't so well received back in the day.
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People were like, why are or you acting like that? Why are
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you always angry? You know why? They and I would have a I
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wouldn't get into it, but it was like, well, because she's got
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post traumatic stress. Although I didn't have your words for it then, but
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she's been through trauma and she's not trusting and this is not a situation she'd
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alys should have with for major so but yeah, it was it. Now
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it's so interesting people see it in a whole different life because of course we've
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become a a little ways, especially with women's roles, you know, they're
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not so uh it citadeled, Yes, and it absolutely and going through with
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the rewatch and focusing on on you this time you just you did this watch.
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You were just just a broad range of the things that you could do,
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and you had a number of relationships, you were adversarial, you sang,
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you did so many things and what you don't wanna do? And and
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I did it cause I I wrote a book about the women's Star Trek and
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I went, you know what, I've never done. I've never looked to
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see what people said about the fact that I've had, uh quite a few
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lovers. Yeah, And I looked for a little while, and I went,
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Okay, I never need to do that. Back in the day,
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it was like, oh no, what oh I that was it? If
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it was not acceptable or lead care to have you know, to to just
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I I I in that way. I have different others. But that was
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another aspect that was really interesting. And I don't think they got it right
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until Odo. Yeah, I mean I realized for I really did you did?
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I did? I just didn't get it. I didn't think Kiera would
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go for the typical good looking and they both were, and and the what
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was his name? Like, no, no, the other one that I
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had, the big blonde guy Chicago, just surprised me because like, this
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is Kia and the shape shifter was just right because I felt like she fell
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in love with his soul. Yeah, the person, not the not the
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look, not the look. I just see that. Yeah, I could
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see where these other ones brought out your soft side or brought up kias outside.
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Yeah, because she definitely hadn't want to write off the gate. She
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does not, but she she grows into it. What I think was a
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real interesting relationship you did not do was gold tokot. Now. Actually I
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remember Ira Stephen Beer, our executive, one of our executive producers, saying,
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so in abscript coming up, You're going to have a relationship with Ducat
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And I was like, no, never, no, no. And he's
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from Brooklyn and I'm from Manhattan. And when we argued, people thought we
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were really angry, but that's just how New Yorker's talk. It was like
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absolutely. And finally he's he said, okay, all right, but your
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mother had a relationship with him, And I was like, oh no,
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just but yeah, I didn't think Kiera would ever, I mean, certainly
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have a relationship with my sure, just not him. I know, I
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think he would have lost something. I think. I think it's unbelievable.
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Mum hm no. And I actually got I didn't go to the curdiascan around
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cause I think she was still I mean, she was developing a professional relationships.
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She could talk with them and not spit in their face anymore. Right,
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But she made that growth, she made the growth yet and that's what
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made her one of the greatest characters of growth on that show. I felt
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one of my favorite things, the most interesting art I think you had,
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was when you were pregnant. I'm set, I thought. I mean it
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was really you're not hiding behind a face, like hitting behind a desk in
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a chair. Oh you know, I got good here for two three months.
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So how did that process go about? Like we did you find out
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when you're like, this is what we're doing? Well, I found out,
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and I thought, and I'm fired because I did. I really thought
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I was uh not going to be capped, or at the very least I
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would, I would be diminished. And it didn't happen. It was so
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great again, just the quick heads up, we'll be leaving today at three
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p m. May. She had a number to her table to get those
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autographs before she leaves forever right now, right now. Uh IRA's wife,
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Laura, who is a physicist and a ballerina, which is the weirdest combination,
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but she's both. She was the one who said shuttle craft accident and
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then she can she doesn't have to hide as the reason for my pregnancy,
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and that was brilliant and a woman's idea and a woman's idea yep, and
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I could just go on with life. It was great, It was it
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was fantastic. Was that such a great story and it kind of got to
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play into the struggles of working and being pregnant and you kind of got to
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it did and ever got to the line. Everyone was so great to me
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on set about it. I was not great to myself, yeah, because
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I felt so uh worried about not getting and not making it. Ah.
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You d you get tight to a crew and to uh the people you're working
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with, and when sixteen hours is your you know, your shortest day,
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and those crew members are there every single day. I would think, now
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the camera guys got to get home to his kids. I don't wanna do
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anything that makes the day longer. And I was so self conscious about not
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taking time, not taking space. I think I over did that. Yeah,
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and I didn't care for myself well enough when I was pregnant and working
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those long hours. What is there something about that? You know? Both
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of them, I have two sons. One was an infant when I started,
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and then Buster and Django, Uh was in ninety six, and I
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remember we were still filming and they they had the channel changer and they were
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going through looking for stuff. There's a uh so there's mama and they they
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had no interest cause they would be on the set all the time, so
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they'd see it, you know there. Yeah, And I know when Alexanders
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did Dig joined Game of Thrones. I was watching Game of Thrones all the
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time, and then when he was on, it's like, oh now it's
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ruined. You know, you can't buy the I I know how they go.
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Yeah, it's like some of them as it. Yeah. So I
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started watching early two thousand, so this is take it there Netflix discs.
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Remember when those were shook to your house Netflix discs? Oh yeah, And
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I watched the documentary What We Left Behind, and I was floored by some
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of the things they were saying, like the series was not liked it all
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at first. It's not a star Trek and listen that. Like I am.
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I gonna say something like, I felt like your show is very it
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fit in the nineties quirk kind of thing, Like I'm a big Twin Peaks
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fan. So it got a little weird, it got a little supernatural,
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and it fits with X Files. I'm like, what I'd be like you
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either broke this to another fan or they don't. Well, every single show
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and I I've interviewed a lot of people at this point, and every single
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show they I there's someone who says, this is not my star Trek.
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Now they've jumped the shark. This is not a star Treck, so e
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I. They said that for Next Generation, they said it for our show.
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But our show was different and we weren't. First of all, we
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were serialized, which makes it really different. If you miss the show,
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you're kind of going, well, what just happened? What I missed?
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And we made the journey. It was more relational and more personal growth kind
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of journey, this kind of journey as opposed to the journey outwards and if
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you were just looking for, you know, a less complicated thought, it
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may have been overwhelming for people, although people seem to accept it much better
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now. And it's also great for streaming, yes, because you can watch
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these thoughts happen. So Netflix was great for that, especially during the pandemic.
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I remember looking on x formerly known as Twitter and seeing someone's post DS
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nine is trending. Why I know, because it was it was like a
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perfect show to go okay. I never watched that back in the day.
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Let's see what this is about. People loved it. Yeah, absolutely,
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you're so when the show wrapped and you're done, you know you're happening here
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every day. Who was like the first person you missed, but you're like,
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I don't get to see if this person though, no one. I
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I kept up with all of them. We had Sunday dinners that you know,
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people came to. I'd still had lunch with Michael Dorn all the time.
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Terry Perroll before she moved, we did walks every week in the hills.
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Yeah, at Alexander Sadig. We're luckily we co parents, so that's
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a wonderful experience. Avery's the only one. Yeah, no one sees havn't
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heard from him. He disappeared. And uh, of course Renee and Aaron
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are deeply missed, absolutely deeply missed. I knew for a couple of years
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about Renee, but Aaron was a complete story shop to shop place. So
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what do you in your opinion, where where do you think Kira went after
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that show? What would you have liked to see for her? I would
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have liked to have seen another arc, something happened where she drops out and
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then comes back. I don't. I know that she's supposed to be a
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Kai. I don't know that I really like that unless she's taken the the
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you know, changed the Bajoran spirituality of it. I don't know, especially
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since I know how many Crooked Kis there were, so well, if we
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gotta maybe she I don't revolutionize it and got it, you know, great
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again, I don't know, but I would I if if you watched the
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card at all. I do like the arc that Raffie had. I thought
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that was really interesting and I would like to, you know, cause we
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all have dips and dives and jumps and weeps in our lives. I would
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like to uh see Kira do something like that absolutely, Like I know the
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documentary said that they kind of saw her going in a better direction, though,
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like I don't know who i'd all see that she's too Yeah, she
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would still just wanna be out there and in the midst of everything. I
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think that would would have limited hers. I mean so too. So we're
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gonna start lining up for questions if you guys wanna come up here, and
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just one work thing before we go into that. Let's talk about women a
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star trek. Let's talk about your book that Yeah, I'm very excited by
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it. And I got such an opportunity to talk to not just the women
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and the writers, but the audience members and oh my god, there are
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so many extraordinary people, not just women who got inspiration from a Star Trek.
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It made me understand how important storytelling is and how important the p There
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was a chaplain who said to me, uh what she an army chaplain who
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said to me what she learned from Star Trek was to have hope, courage,
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and to remember that you were never alone. And she said when she
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goes on to a battle ground and she's comforting, uh, people who are
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dying, she keeps that in her mind, that we are never alone.
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And and I went, yeah, that is That's what I not only got
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from the show, but from this unique relationship we all have that we that
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there's a frequency that we joined when we all k talk Star Trek and we
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start there, we there's a way in to this community always, and I
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I love that KNA. From October eight October, it's being published and it's
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called Open a Channel. Yep, I'll be starting an Instagram account where there's
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so many interviews that didn't make it into the book. I'll be reading some
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of those two so to to give people as much as I possibly can about
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something extraordinary. You've got to meet and talk to. Cannot wait if you
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alright, let's bring up our first question money. Hi. Uh, my
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name Scott. I'm a a co host of a start your podcast called trek
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Cast, and I first, I just wanted to say thank you for coming
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to towam Zoo to the uh Grand rathis Comic Con who and I wanted to
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thank you for everything you've brought to the arts. And there's a wonderful series
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that we all love. And I I just wanna say I'll be having a
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trek Cast, and I think I speak for everybody who's room. Thank you,
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Thank you. I Uh, I was here last year when Jeff Macombs
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and Terry Ferrell we're here, and I I'm gonna ask you the same question.
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I answer them because your need. Can you When I asked this question
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and you just mentioned something about uh getting together for dinner, and I was
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wondering, uh about getting together for dinner? Uh, who was the best
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cook? I asked you to reparel this question. Her name came up.
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I'm how sweet? Well John Delancy and his wife were coming next weekend for
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dinner, and I think that I may. I I don't know if i'd
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give him the edge. We're right there together. John is a wonderful cook,
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really wonderful, as is his wife. So that's really I'm gonna I'm
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gonna be teaching his wife how to make these merangue mushrooms. Uh. They
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they look exactly like mushrooms, but they're made out of morangue. And it's
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it's like a classic thing to do. Did you post that you're really long?
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It's really long, but you can look it up. What's her name?
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There's there's u uh a chef who makes them. But look up mushroom
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merangues. And it's just getting the getting the feel of working with them,
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and uh, they're beautiful. I'll try to find a picture of my mushroom
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range. Actually I'll take a picture and post it next weekend when I make
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up with it. It's such an honor to see like you have believe you're
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here. I mean, you must have been the uh help this female character
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in all time. I mean that staff by a klingon. I you didn't
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need to. I mean, it was just like it's a flesh wound.
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And you notice that that was an important moment for me. That was really
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important because I wanted to make it realistic. And sometimes in a fight,
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the adrenaline is going so you don't feel it right, so you just keep
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going. It might drop you because if they hit a nerve, but otherwise
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you just keep going because I love what you notice. And then you know,
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you see that said what they would have these you know they was part
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of all of them. And I said, and I saw you beat up
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Damar, and I'm like you day that you could have taken or I think
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so let me tell you Kazy Biggs, who played Damar, needed that moment.
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So whether or not Kier could have taken on war, Michael Dorn would
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never bull out of it, cause I ask you that. And the only
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other thing is okay, Picard, they keep bringing these old characters back,
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and I mean they have to. They have to do the shoulder, They
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have to bring the show back. I mean, is there any possible what
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has what do fans have to do to get it? Well, you're you're
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the people who make a lot of things happen and always have, including you
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know, the Third Sea of the original star Trek. I mean you you
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have an effect and that's really all it is. But I don't know.
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I if Paramount is in flocks, it's being bought. I the shows are
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going to different play. I don't know. It's just hanging there because I
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mean, see if you said he Sisco may not wanna come back, but
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he said at the end he was thought they were coming back. I know
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voice over in an or we opened the job. I mean, we can
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stay at home and just recorded. It's such a punt. If you have
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anything also happen to you. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
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I'd love to teach you. I would love to do that. I say
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again, okay, and I just appreciate all the working did here as a
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a amazing role model for people like me. So thank you for that.
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Thank you, Katy. I was wondering, I'm looking forward to your books
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so much. Was there anything putting together that book that's apprised you? H
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the when I was telling those when you working together the olds A interviews every
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day. I what surprised me, uh really was how much it shifted me
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and uh, how many times I found that my thinking in terms of being
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a woman was like dinosaur times. I didn't notice how much in a box
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I was put and how well I stayed there for most of my life.
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Now, Kira, I didn't come out and do it. That felt like
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a safe place to do it. But I was talking to uh the gods
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seeks the astronaut uh uh uh fighter pilot engineer, mother of two children under
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five at the time, Samantha Christopher Retti, and she came to my home
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to be interviewed, and she she was just going up to be in the
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space station, which she ended up commanding, and I asked her, it
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makes me cringe now, I said, wait, so you're going up for
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months? Who's taking care of your children? And she looked at me and
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went my husband. There were his children, and it was like time because
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I'm so used to the children, the tone of the house, the food,
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this the of having that be my realm and my job as well as
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my job, that it didn't even cross my mind. Well yeah, And
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from then I went to my husband and I said, Matthew, Matthew,
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wait wait now when I'm in the kitchen, I'm not going to ask you
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to help me in the kitchen. We're doing twenty minutes in the kitchen together
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because helping means it's my job and you're digning to be in there with me.
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And he went, yeah, I got it. That makes total sense
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and that's how we do it now. So there were little tiny shit.
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That's actually a huge shift for me. But those shifts surprised me the effect
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of what a lot of women know, if you see it, you can
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be it. How often that came up, the fact that they saw a
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woman allowed to get angry and she didn't get fired, That they saw women
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being engineers, if they saw a woman having commanded a shift gave them license
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to dream big. And I heard it over and over and over again,
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and that and just a woman's thought about herself being interrupted for a moment,
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going wait a minute doesn't have to be like that. But anytime a woman's
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thought it's interrupted, so as a man's and he goes, wait a minute.
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That I feel like this for me either. I don't have to play
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a role. I can people I am and bring everything I'm actually good at.
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Think it's a little landcating though. Kay, uh I'm Aubrey. I
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met you guys to Friday this morning. Uh, I just wanted to ask
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what was probably one of your favorite memories being on set and like record like
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doing uh DS nine and like I really like one of my big reasons I
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went back and watching dance name was seeing you then on the lower decks.
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Uh and I interacted to with Shacks because I knew you guys were in that
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s the cure and Sharks were saying in the same resistance, South in the
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majority of resistance, and like that was probably my big reason I went back
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and Washington because I ever had further memories. I seen your dad watch TG
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and DNS nine, So that's a big reason I got it. Start talking
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back if the start up, I I have a lot of wonderful memories.
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I mean being an actor and being allowed to do not just Kira, but
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you know uh uh uh really uh James Bond kind of character with a bad
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Russian accents, or playing the intendant and all. It was like Disneyland.
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I got to do so much and there's nothing like spending hours and that we
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reneeds to say we actually spend more time together than we did with our own
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families and becoming that tight and having the the relationship go beyond the show because
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we'd go to Europe together and plan trips around the convention, you know,
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or it traveling and catch up and let's have dinner. D Those are really
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long term, deep relationships, and I have them with some of the writers
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to who I deeply, deeply respect. If you haven't seen Ron Morris for
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All Mankind, highly recommend it, highly highly recommend that show. And my
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son Django told me you're gonna love this show. I watched the first two
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episodes. I said, not for me, he said, keep watching,
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and I needed to absolutely write, Oh my god. So if you if
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you're looking for something to watch, watch that you You're so welcome. How
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would the recipe? Can you just send me one of your marine was?
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Yeah, you get talk about it's not raining. If they work really well,
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talk about it. I'll bring talking where you? So I had you
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remember related to you as the many questions in the book questions and pretty much
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everyone knows what was mentioned that Yes, n I was not well uh with
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it during its first time. It's right. My two questions are is there?
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I'll start with can you pick a time period or an event that when
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that tipping point came? Why? Is like, oh, would you say
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it's nine, isn't isn't out of place in the Star Trek University in our
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universe seemed to me like his own thing out of space and time in general
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pop culture for a while. Yeah, anything that I gave about ten years
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ago, uh it, the tipping point was a fifteen year old boy.
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Sorry, the tipping boy was a fifteen year old boy who came up for
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a picture at a convention and I'm s I'm guessing he was fifteen. He
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was around there, and uh he said, I have such a crush on
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your character. I always like that, but a young man having a crush
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on my angry character, you know, it's not the typical you know,
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cutie. And and that was like, oh, oh, we're finally catching
30:15
up with the time you seeing other women be like this and it's okay now.
30:19
And that's true for the whole show. And certainly when when you can
30:26
stream it binge watch it, you start to get it in a whole different
30:32
way. It really should have always been seen that way. So uh yeah,
30:37
i'd say ten When when did they start streaming it? Was it ten
30:42
years? I'm so bad with linear terms wherever they want, but that's really
30:52
the time that there was a huge shift and people really started to run it.
30:56
I think you could arguablet's say time and caught up the time these days
31:00
night in a way. Yeah, oh yeah, sorry society agree with the
31:03
idiots. But anyway, the second part, was there any particular actor or
31:08
character that got the most hate? Like, yeah, you say you talked
31:11
from the cast for you're at your friends or warns might heart to no end,
31:15
But were there any that that seemed to be disproportunately targeted or negative?
31:22
Family? You were like you really wasn't that. I think you'd be in
31:26
the top couple. But I wondered if there's anyone else there? But yeah,
31:30
I like you must acknowledge that nam there. Yeah, last question about
31:37
the foot were you tempted or did you do anything interviews as your care of
31:44
Newe's character. Did you ever take it from that perspective to do an interview
31:48
from that from that through that last Oh, that would have been so interesting,
31:52
That would have been really interesting. But no, I was just so
31:56
grateful that these women gave their time and not just and and people like I
32:01
interviewed people in Germany and England. The ship the cruise, which if you've
32:07
never taken it. It's a flatt It's really a blast. I and and
32:15
hours and hours and hours of interviews and uh I, I so wanted to
32:22
make sure I was, you know, being careful with their time and their
32:27
effort. I but that would have been really interesting. I could write it
32:30
all from her perspective, but it would probably be too tough on everybody,
32:37
DLC down content or something. Yeah, I mean that's why interday, thanks
32:44
particular the time. Thank you so much. Hey keep from uh telling zoo
32:53
uh again. Uh, it's great to meet you. I was absolutely star
32:57
start yesterday. But uh, I finally have a probably a good question anyway,
33:00
But because d S nine was so serialized, right, and it was
33:07
unusual at that time to have a story where like, you know, if
33:10
you didn't you know, tune in last week, you didn't know what's going
33:13
on, right, how they approached the villains and the show was completely different
33:19
to every other Star Trek show and so like. And the thing that I
33:22
noticed on rewatches over the last you know, you know, twenty years or
33:25
whatever, is that you and Avery are the ones that were pitted against the
33:29
three biggest villains in that show. And so Marcolimo, Casey Biggs and and
33:35
uh Louise Fletcher, and those actors were so great in those roles. But
33:38
I have to wonder, like, what was it like you being basically the
33:43
focus or your character being the focus of kind of like basically all of the
33:47
all of the people in the show. Yeah, was you and Avery and
33:51
all in La almost more you than than Avery and that like you had to
33:55
do all of these crazy scenes. Was Marco Himo and as basically one of
34:00
the worst human you know or parassims on the show. A Yeah, And
34:06
if there was something in particular that was memorable about it was because he came
34:09
off to the office such as Skiz and then there were points in the show
34:14
where they're like did he change? And then your character never varied from he
34:19
you know, he is not better, He's always in reas. Yeah.
34:22
But if there was something from shooting those scenes with those villains and that you
34:25
being the focal point of that, that there was an intent from the writers
34:30
to put you into that position. I think there was very little that they
34:34
did that didn't have real intention behind it. And of course for me,
34:38
it was like gold. First of all, all three of those actors can
34:45
hit. I mean, they are unbelievable actors. So just having any kind
34:50
of scene with an actor like that is amazing. But then to have it
34:54
be so complicated and complex and it's not black and white, it's gray,
35:01
and you know, Heira did wrong things too. Uh it was it was
35:07
joyful and Luis was one of the sweetest people in the world. She had
35:15
the most delightful laugh, a little bit like yours. You're so sweet,
35:20
and and we'd we'd be laughing and stuff off stage about something and she would
35:27
just and her laughter just rolled. And then we'd get in the scene and
35:30
she just would boom, like if I would occurtain coming down and I was
35:36
like, okay, I'm scared. She would instantly. And of course they
35:42
are the ones that loved my character because I had to go from going,
35:47
hey, I'll just you know, I'll just fight people and I'll just be
35:52
angry and I'll use my physical force to going, oh, this is politics.
35:57
I can't do that anymore. I have to move up to my prefrontal
36:00
cortex. This is a chess match, and I gotta play. I gotta
36:06
learn how to play. And because of them, my character had to move
36:12
Yeah, there was a great I mean Shakespeare in the level Villa in OCTOBERG
36:15
Yeah, maybe that's really good. Thank you so much, question that it's
36:24
fair. Yeah, I'm in the I'm Keith's daughter. We watched the show
36:30
together when I was a teenager, and we talked to you a lot about
36:32
that and that, you know, like waiting that only since I was sixteen,
36:37
and it exceeded every expectation I had so so much, so much love
36:42
and and the gratitude for that. I think the question that I've asked,
36:46
what was as an actor as a person at Kira? What was there a
36:51
moment in the show where either you or the writers were struggling with this choice
36:59
and you weren't sure if it was like going to I'm like, question,
37:05
is this the right way for Kira? Is this? You know who she
37:07
is? Is this her character? And do you having a moment of doubt
37:10
about that? And then you pulled it off and it was great, and
37:14
you know, like does that make sense? Cause I knowed that whats what's
37:17
terry about? Like not being a over match a very bursus old man and
37:22
then having to when you know, like have that moment of struggle as an
37:25
actor as a person, and you know, like, how do I make
37:29
this work in this character? And that relationship was so beautiful and they pulled
37:36
that off absolutely, And so I wanted to ask you that kind of question.
37:39
I was so wanting to play a complicating the character. I so wanted
37:47
the opportunity to make a mistake as as the entity that I was, and
37:55
had the opportunity to learn better that there was nothing that they could do.
38:00
The only thing I I am, And as I said, I thought iron
38:05
it was uh ah, an emotional relationship with Ducat. I just I couldn't.
38:10
I couldn't see that that would have been a betrayal of so many of
38:15
her ethics. Yeah, uh and that would have been j I mean I
38:21
I would just think of a human in my time that I've heard of who
38:25
was as evil as Ducat, and I go, no, I you know
38:30
know, so not not that. So yeah, that's the only time.
38:37
Uh. The the rest of it, it was like, yeah, give
38:39
it to me, any, let me do all of it. Thank you
38:44
so much. You so open to see and I guess my questions kind to
38:55
her. Uh Ever, Star Tresk, did you feel like it was really
38:59
hard go into a different kind of role or how does you feel like you're
39:04
ever any of your characters a different role or if you did anything l I
39:08
I Kira. It's like a place that I can drop into and be again
39:15
and s A after seven years, so much of me is in there.
39:21
And she changed me. She totally shifted me. Cause you know, we
39:27
are our our brains, our synapses grow from having the same plot dropped in
39:34
over and over and over again, we change our brains. We know that
39:37
now for neuroscience and some of her ethics and strengths I inherited without knowing it,
39:45
just thinking that way over and over again. So I, yeah,
39:52
it's I. I'm gonna bring some of that no matter what I think,
39:57
unless it's a real character role which is fun to play. But I never
40:01
worried about doing that. I and I do feel like I'll never play a
40:13
character with backed up again. I mean I I don't expect to. If
40:17
I get to, I'm incredibly lucky. But I'm already lucky that I got
40:22
to play. That's here. I was just wondering. This includes full serious
40:36
new series moves in holding new movies. I just wanted what your favorite star
40:42
trek was to watch you know what I love. I love strange New worlds.
40:46
I think they do start a close really do uh a great job of
40:52
just blending all of it and standalone. Uh. It's definitely not what we
40:58
were doing, but they manage to do everything a lot. Uh, and
41:04
I I admire them all, uh very much. U about would the straight
41:10
show? We will look the news work or yes, watching to see what
41:15
you say? It's really fun las the best part? Hello? Hi.
41:29
You've spoken a a lot today about the range of Pira and what you were
41:34
able to do, and I I definitely saw that growing up and watching Deep
41:37
Space nine and seeing the part that here goes through. And you can talk
41:42
also about the moment and so the one moment where you subjected something. But
41:47
I'm wondering, as an actor, what did you do in all that here?
41:52
Was was you put through? Just sent her her and keep here of
41:57
a consistent character because she very much was no matter what she was going through?
42:02
So what was a as an actual what was it that hacked her?
42:07
Was typetive like that? Uh? I figuring out how she thought, how
42:16
she thought of herself and how she thought of others? What was her purpose?
42:21
What did she see her purpose as and uh, I think that was
42:25
my guiding life for this character. And she was very and that's how I
42:30
played the intended by flipping that. Uh. She was open and vulnerable and
42:37
unprotected in the way when it came to other people. Her purpose was,
42:45
uh this m strong compassion for others, especially the pajorined people, and that's
42:54
I think what kept her consistent taking some wh you so welcome h more from
43:09
shot. I was back in their call, the the first guy to keep
43:15
space in the you know it, I know that you had. The authors
43:21
said that if you remember I met you any convention, that we should ask
43:25
you about the milk bath in the first crossover episode. Yeah. So the
43:32
milk bath that I was in. So obviously I was supposed to look like
43:37
a uh you know, I was the intendant and I was taking a bath
43:43
and it should look very sexy and luxurious, and you know, the water's
43:46
uh milky, thank goodness. Oh and so the e you know, I
43:52
was wearing these awful cups you know that uh that you do. And I
43:59
got into and they made it warm, which was great, but and it
44:02
was scented, which was very nice. They mixed it back then. That's
44:07
good. But the cups which are put on with you know, a certain
44:13
kind of glue kept coming off and I was like, okay, wait,
44:17
wait, wait, give me a towel. These are coming off okay,
44:22
and I get I put them back on and I asked one of the guys
44:27
who'd done the bath with the crew and said, what what's in the bath?
44:32
Uh? My glue is in holding and he said, oh, we
44:37
put orange oil in there. And then I asked my makeup artist, what
44:42
do you take these things off with? You said orange oil? Thank you
44:52
so much. I appreciate it. Pad of that only I I can I
45:05
ask you a how a question? Or should I keep it on top of
45:07
no? Hollywood? What does uh making it mean to you? Isn't that
45:15
just steady work like you have? You had a lot of guest spots in
45:20
the adies, So would that be making it? Or is it like the
45:24
beloved you love a role and you're like, yes, that's the same.
45:30
I had a thought when I was young of what making it was, and
45:34
I pretty much kept to it. And there is I was like a middle
45:38
class actor cause I hoped from show to show, did some serious did this?
45:44
Did that? That doesn't really exist? So much anymore. It's really
45:49
the the the business has changed a lot, and it's hard for people to
45:53
you know, make a living a life out of hopping around like that.
45:59
So I I I'm sorry for young actors right now. It's it's much harder.
46:05
But I always thought I would have made it if I had the respect
46:12
of my colleagues mm and that they would go, yeah, I wanna do
46:16
a scene with you. Yeah, I wanna work with you sometimes. And
46:21
and I think it's pretty much still that. That's that's making it to me,
46:25
and working with people who can hit, that's that's the biggest joy.
46:32
It's you know, three minutes at a time in a monthst a business that's
46:39
hierarchical, unfair, biased in many ways, and imperfect as most systems are,
46:49
but those three minutes, those three minutes at a time stay very little
46:57
minute. Thank you, thank you, who Hi, I'm drive out there.
47:06
That was a banks for coming around the top, baby too. I
47:09
have about a thousand days I could ask you bro to two to you respected
47:14
well. The first one more to say that I wanted to tell you a
47:16
hosplaering that time your interview on your best cakes hot and it's you're blue my
47:23
so strong. Love your for that. Thank you. I actually have a
47:28
ten X talk that I think you're coming out next week. Uh that features
47:32
how Pira helped me recover. Oh so yeah, it's amazing. Thank you.
47:40
And and my actual question is you mentioned earlier about your name and I
47:45
Aaron, could you tell us your favorite every movie Aaron? Aaron was Are
47:52
the Children Here? Aaron was a pain in the ass, a giant one,
47:59
and I love him. He he was he He would come up on
48:04
stage if I was doing one of these things that just sit down and start
48:07
talking and do it. He was everywhere, all at once, and for
48:13
being more on the diminutive side, he filled the room. And he was
48:21
loving and open and supportive and really a beautiful soul. And just before he
48:30
died, I told him a quote that listening is leaning forward with the gentle
48:43
intention of maybe being changed by what you're here. That's real listening. And
48:50
that's how me do. I do AP around three thirty ten dollars a ticket.
49:04
He is giving an away a loud Fly storm Trooper backpack and also a
49:12
storm Trooper being changed right now something. Yeah, that's that's my favorite story.
49:27
Just we always connect you and listened and wrote things down and was constantly
49:34
growing and changing. He was he was so rolled your automatic Martin, remember
49:50
my name. I'm gonna die around. Okay, really short question of going
49:53
the longer one. The first one is has anyone research and confirmed that of
49:58
all the Star Trek characters ever, you had the most different hairstyles. Yeah.
50:04
When they when we were winding down, they gave us a munch and
50:07
they did this video to say goodbye, and one sequence was just pops of
50:13
all my different Yea. Kate went through a lot too, but she's finally
50:20
said no more. And I just kept going, Yeah, what what if
50:23
we do this? Ye say the same. When we were all young men,
50:29
we crushed on Kira, right, and I was like every week it's
50:30
like her hair changed again, started to like to be another one, and
50:36
it was always changed yourself? Know how much like that? Uh? The
50:39
second thing was to change from Star Trek. I watched Battle Star Galactica as
50:44
it came out, and Uh, all of a sudden, You're just on
50:47
the screen and I'm like, what's Major Kiratt doing here? Can you talk
50:52
a little bit about how that all happened, how you got that scene,
50:55
because it's interesting. You're playing the soul in a vision and it's it's not
51:00
like a character a panel start Galactica, but you're in Banel, start to
51:02
acting us. So how did you you just talk about that a little bit.
51:06
Well, I love all the writers of our show. Uh. I
51:12
had deep respect for them, and with good reason. They did some incredible
51:16
things. And I'm a fan of Rondey Moores. And when he called and
51:21
said, hey, would you do this cause this is a tricky scene and
51:24
they know that I I'll go deep fast and there's so little time to get
51:31
into, you know, especially if it's a traumatized character. To get in
51:37
you know fast, it's what's necessary. And so he asked for your dude,
51:42
and it's like, yep, I'll be right there. Uh, any
51:45
of them call me, I'll be right there. Kids. You watched the
51:47
show all before Wonders came right in. I just came right into it.
51:52
Michael Piller asked me to do a series in New Mexico. We moved to
51:55
New Mexico for six years and I did that. It's like, whenever they
52:00
call, I don't know. I have such I don't even need to look
52:04
at the script I know will be good. All right, Thank you so
52:07
much. Uh, how do you do except pleasure having you here? Thank
52:15
you very nice. I wanted to start it back to something that was discussed
52:22
a little earlier, which is, uh, the Deep Base nine not being
52:28
received terribly well when it first premiered by sometimes by the Star Trek fans.
52:35
And that's a little difficult to believe because it's ultimately, when you think about
52:40
it, it's the the show that sort of validates all of the other ones
52:46
in a way mmm, because it's the it's the show that tests the metal
52:52
of the ideals of the Federation and Starfleet, and it's how we get there
52:58
exactly those kinds of things. And ultimately, one of the reasons I love
53:02
the show so much is one of the messages of it is it proves that
53:12
the ideals of Star Trek are worth believing in that they you know, it
53:20
holds water. And my question is was that something that was necessarily apparent to
53:30
you and the rest of the cast and the people were working on the show.
53:36
Maybe in hindsight it's easier to see those things, but did you recognize
53:39
that while you were working on the show. Speaking for myself, I recognized
53:47
how important it was, and I knew from going to conventions that there were
53:57
a certain number of people that I really needed what we were doing. I
54:02
remember a much older woman pulling up her sleeve and showing me the numbers on
54:08
her arm and going, your characters alive to me, and I I so,
54:15
I I understood, And it's so interesting. So many of us take
54:22
on the responsibility of that and understand this storytelling isn't just any story grow Sometimes
54:30
storytelling can become about comfort, and sometimes Star Trek can be about comfort,
54:36
but sometimes it's on a different level, and it's storytelling that can be healing
54:40
or can tell people I'm not the only one who's done through stuff, or
54:45
there's a way to you know, have post traumatic growth after a difficult time,
54:52
and uh, I s I got to see that, but I didn't
54:55
think that it would ever be uh taken in by the larger groups as it
55:04
is now. Oh, thank you very much. Do you ever tell me
55:07
one I'm no to look back like that? Open the channel is out in
55:15
October. We can we can see you on Instagram about MoMA. No not
55:20
yes, you can and just one real quick yes or no if you can
55:24
in up a card way or some other way. If they say, if
55:27
you want to hear about are you coming back? Yes? Have you ever
55:34
had the other called