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ITB: Going Inside What Mattered – And What Didn't – From Eagles Preseason Opener · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello again everyone, Welcome to Inside the Birds. It's the
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Speaker 1: A team again. Adam Kaplan and that man right there,
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Speaker 1: Andrew de Checo, fresh coming back from the Eagles Ravens
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Speaker 1: preseason game Saturday evening. Andrew, good to see you.
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Speaker 2: Did you see you?
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Speaker 1: Adam?
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Speaker 2: A lot to get into.
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Speaker 1: Yep, that's right. And a big week for the Eagles.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of a short week for them in terms
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Speaker 1: of how much they're going to practice. They'll practice today,
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Speaker 1: walk through tomorrow, and then they will be in New England. Yes,
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Speaker 1: you and I should be up there. I know you
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Speaker 1: will be. I should be up there for the practices
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Speaker 1: late Wednesday and Thursday morning, walk through Friday, and the
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Speaker 1: game seven pm in New England in Gillette Stadium at
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Speaker 1: seven o'clock. So Andrew, let's get back to it. Let's
0:52
Speaker 1: get on this, this Eagles Ravens game. So you were
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Speaker 1: at that game, Sit in the press box, Sit in
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Speaker 1: the press box. You always have a good view, always
0:59
Speaker 1: have a good I should say usually you do.
1:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say usually unless.
1:03
Speaker 1: You're in Washington and where it's not very good. But
1:06
Speaker 1: were you're up? Ninety five is short drive for Philly,
1:08
Speaker 1: less than two hours. So, Andrew, what were your thoughts
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Speaker 1: overall on this performance from the football team.
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Speaker 2: Well, there wasn't a lot to really like. It wasn't
1:17
Speaker 2: aesthetically pleasing by any means. I thought the quarterback two
1:20
Speaker 2: competition between Andy Dalton and Tanner McKee left a lot
1:24
Speaker 2: to be desired going into it. It was pretty even,
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Speaker 2: I would say, Adam, but maybe you give the slight
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Speaker 2: edge to Andy Dalton just for being the veteran who's
1:34
Speaker 2: shown a little bit more consistency. But neither quarterback was
1:36
Speaker 2: able to get anything going. The receiver depth I think
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Speaker 2: was questionable. And then on the defensive side, I thought
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Speaker 2: that there were some encouraging pieces, whether you're looking at
1:47
Speaker 2: it from a defensive line standpoint a linebacker standpoint, because
1:50
Speaker 2: I thought Trotter Junior did a phenomenal job in that game,
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Speaker 2: at least that's how it looked on initial view. But
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Speaker 2: in the secondary I still have questions when it comes
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Speaker 2: to depth. So there's a lot of questions that I
2:01
Speaker 2: have that maybe were remained unanswered coming out of that game.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, all right, So let's get
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Speaker 1: let's get started on an offense. So this is how
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Speaker 1: the offense looked. They came out in twelve personnel. Darius Cooper,
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Speaker 1: who played a ton by the way with Hollywood Brown
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Speaker 1: and he don't started the game. Kyk Bixby was the
2:18
Speaker 1: starting running back left right on the offensive line, Fred Johnson,
2:22
Speaker 1: John Ojoku, Willie Lampia that got the start at center,
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Speaker 1: Drew Kennell continuing to guard. He started right guard, and
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Speaker 1: Mark kel Bellis expected started at right tackle. The two
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Speaker 1: tight ends neither are very good blockers. In fact, Andrew,
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Speaker 1: this surprised me that they came out. I know, it's
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Speaker 1: only the first play of the game. That's what starting means.
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Speaker 1: Means nothing else, technically, It's just who came out on
2:43
Speaker 1: the first snap of the game. Grant Kalcutarra and Eli
2:46
Speaker 1: Stowers if you're trying to establish the run. Not exactly
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Speaker 1: what I thought. But Andrew, as you know, Johnny Munt
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Speaker 1: healthy scratch because they didn't need to plan. They kind
2:57
Speaker 1: of know who he is. He's a number two quarter,
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Speaker 1: he's number two tight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's been pretty evident throughout training camp. He's
3:04
Speaker 2: been getting the lion's share of those reps. Whenever they're
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Speaker 2: going into twelve personnel, they don't throw them the football
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Speaker 2: a lot, but when they do, he catches it and
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Speaker 2: we kind of know who he is and what he is.
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Speaker 2: You don't need to see him in a game like this.
3:18
Speaker 2: I also think another player who was a stock cup
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Speaker 2: based off of simply not playing was veteran safety Marcus
3:24
Speaker 2: Epps because he's been going. You know, he's in a
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Speaker 2: safety battle with Michael Carter the second. Michael Carter the second.
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Speaker 2: I think he's had the better camp, but almost working
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Speaker 2: against him is the fact that he's so versatile. He
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Speaker 2: can he wears three different hats. But I think Epps
3:39
Speaker 2: has been really the clear cut answer when the Eagles
3:43
Speaker 2: are in nickel going opposite Drew mccouba, and he's a steady,
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Speaker 2: consistent player. But he didn't play in this game, so
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Speaker 2: I think that maybe is pretty indicative of how they
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Speaker 2: feel about him moving forward.
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Speaker 1: Ye all right, let's get to the offense. Andrews so
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Speaker 1: jono Joku Wow starting a left guard. I know he
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Speaker 1: got reps last week early in the week. His first
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Speaker 1: guard wraps. That kind of surprised me, but he's played
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Speaker 1: it in his career. He's played right and left tackle.
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Speaker 1: I like it they're doing this because with Lane Johnson
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Speaker 1: back fright Johnson, we know it's the swing tackle. No
4:14
Speaker 1: Markel Bell right now as the backup right tackle. Not
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Speaker 1: a lot of room for another tackle. But Andrew, I
4:19
Speaker 1: like this move of him playing starting actually left guard.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So on Thursday's practice they tried him out at left guard.
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Speaker 2: Everything that they've asked him to do Adham, At least
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Speaker 2: to my eye without knowing how they feel about it,
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Speaker 2: it seems like he executes it pretty well. And I
4:37
Speaker 2: think the fact that they're giving him more opportunity to
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Speaker 2: suggest that they're pleased with what they're seeing of him.
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Speaker 2: He played twenty one snaps in this game. They got
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Speaker 2: him out of their relative to some of the other
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Speaker 2: players who were lingering into the the third quarter. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is an interesting player and they're trying
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Speaker 2: to expand his palate and see what he can offer.
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Speaker 2: If I had to put a fifty three out today,
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Speaker 2: he's on.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we've got a little time to do that now.
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Speaker 1: On offense, the thing that was so disappointing is they
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Speaker 1: had seven penalties. Some pre snap Shipley had a really
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Speaker 1: nice run of eight yards. They had holding penalty stours.
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Speaker 1: Shipley had the eight yard run. Then they had a
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Speaker 1: seven yard run got called back Bigsby's first run. Stowers
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Speaker 1: had the hold, so there's fifteen yards there. It can't
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Speaker 1: have that. Man. They shot themselves to the foot. Dalton
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Speaker 1: didn't really establish anything. Tenor McKee had the nice crosser
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Speaker 1: to Cooper for thirteen yards, but Andrew. Overall, what kind
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Speaker 1: of takeaways could we possibly have with this offense?
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Speaker 2: Not a ton, It was vanilla. The timing wasn't there
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Speaker 2: for either quarterback. We can get to Cole Payton later,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we will, But I would also say that
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Speaker 2: I expected to see more from the wide receivers, especially
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Speaker 2: Darius Cooper, based on the camp that he's had. You
5:55
Speaker 2: have to have that reception. It was a third and six.
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Speaker 2: I believe the offense was really struggling to generate any
6:01
Speaker 2: sort of rhythm. It hit him in the hands. It
6:04
Speaker 2: was a little bit behind, but you got to you
6:06
Speaker 2: gotta have that. And I thought that in a game
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Speaker 2: that he could have used that as a launching pad
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Speaker 2: and reaffirmed what we've seen in training camp. Because he
6:15
Speaker 2: has been lights out. I thought he kind of wasn't
6:18
Speaker 2: didn't meet the moment there. And I also should mention
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Speaker 2: that he played, for whatever it's worth, the third most
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Speaker 2: snaps of any offensive player on Saturday night.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the two guys this is also interesting. Although
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Speaker 1: they didn't start. The two guys who led them in
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Speaker 1: staffs were Micah Morris thirty four snaps seventy seven percent overall,
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Speaker 1: and then Jake Majors, who's seen time at Garden Center
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Speaker 1: in training camp. He also played seventy seven percent. He
6:43
Speaker 1: had a penalty, by the way, in the game.
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Speaker 2: That was a bad That was a bad penalty, by
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Speaker 2: the way.
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Speaker 1: That was Yeah, that was bad.
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Speaker 2: That was really bad.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that that was not good. So overall here, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm with you. They were inapt. They had some good again,
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Speaker 1: some good runs called back Shipley explosive, which is what.
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Speaker 2: You say he did.
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Speaker 1: He did, you know, an eight yard run. The one
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Speaker 1: that did count was nice. Now, Colepayne had the scrambled
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Speaker 1: play to or as a comma for the touchdown. Look,
7:13
Speaker 1: he's a scrambler. This is what he does. He's a
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Speaker 1: really good athlete, good build, arm, he has arm strung.
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Speaker 1: The problem is this mechanics. I mean, what do you
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Speaker 1: take anything away from him? Hey, they did score when
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Speaker 1: he was quarterback.
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Speaker 2: No, it was pretty much like San Loot football. When
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Speaker 2: he was out there, three carries for forty five yards.
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Speaker 2: He put the offense on his shoulders to make something happen,
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Speaker 2: scrambled drow to get the ball to Azukama, who, by
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Speaker 2: the way of all the down the roster, you know,
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Speaker 2: depth wide receivers. You can make an argument for Ques Watkins.
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Speaker 2: I think he's had some nice moments, but I would
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Speaker 2: say that Eric Azukama has probably been the most consistent
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Speaker 2: of those back end of the roster guys. So he
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Speaker 2: also had I should mention seventy seven yards on three
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Speaker 2: returns as well.
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Speaker 1: Which is important because they need they need to kind
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Speaker 1: of figure out both returners. What are your thoughts now,
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Speaker 1: at least we've talked about Punk returning. What are your
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Speaker 1: thoughts on kick return At this point.
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Speaker 2: I'm still leaning will Shipley. They know what they have,
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Speaker 2: they know what he's all about. You don't necessarily need
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Speaker 2: to throw him back there. In the preseason. Interestingly enough,
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Speaker 2: they repped Darius Cooper there. I believe it was Thursday
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Speaker 2: for practice. They're trying to see what he can do.
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Speaker 2: I think his skill set and body type would really
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Speaker 2: support that Elijah Moore as a player who's repped there,
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Speaker 2: and Tank Bigsby has gotten some reps there in training
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Speaker 2: camp as well. But I think the most logical answer
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Speaker 2: someone who you know is more than likely going to
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Speaker 2: be on the fifty three is will Shipley versus someone
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Speaker 2: maybe like a Britain Covey who has done it before.
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Speaker 2: But maybe you can elevate them from the practice squad
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Speaker 2: and do some things like that with them.
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Speaker 1: For in terms of punk return correct correct A couple
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Speaker 1: standouts to me, at least on the offensive line. Some
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Speaker 1: really good blocks by Willie Lampkin. We've noted many times
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Speaker 1: how physical he is. He can't there's nothing you can
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Speaker 1: do about his arm lanth or his height. But I'll
9:05
Speaker 1: tell you what again, Eagles need these developmental offensive linemen
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Speaker 1: of Djoku, Lampkin, Kendall we've known about for two years now,
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Speaker 1: Markel Bell and Jake Majors who played a ton of
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Speaker 1: snaps as we mentioned, so.
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Speaker 2: He had a good game aside from the penalty. I
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Speaker 2: think by and large, pretty much all of those guys
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Speaker 2: except for Miles Hinton and Cameron Williams. They really stood
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Speaker 2: out to me as someone players who didn't necessarily take
9:29
Speaker 2: advantage of their opportunities. But I thought of the other
9:32
Speaker 2: group that we've outlined for the last several shows, I
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Speaker 2: thought that they acquitted themselves pretty well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, they only got sack once
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Speaker 1: that was McKee, So that you know, that's part of
9:41
Speaker 1: it of making sure that you protect the quarterback well
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Speaker 1: enough of just the penalties were crushing. A drop here
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Speaker 1: or there that was crushing. What is your read on
9:52
Speaker 1: and Nociriani talked. We were able to get the quotes
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Speaker 1: after the game, so I was just looking them over.
9:56
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this quarterback situation between McKee adult.
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Speaker 2: I still lean towards Andy Dalton. He is versed in
10:05
Speaker 2: this offense. I've seen more from him in training camp. Tanner.
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Speaker 2: McKee has had some decent moments. There's other times where
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Speaker 2: he's holding onto the ball a little bit too long.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a byproduct of the offense
10:19
Speaker 2: or if he's just hesitant for whatever reason, but I
10:22
Speaker 2: think Andy Dalton to me, has been the more consistent player. Now,
10:26
Speaker 2: both fell short of meeting expectations Saturday night. To be clear,
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Speaker 2: all the quarterbacks, all three of them, it was pretty
10:34
Speaker 2: dreadful quarterback play if we're being honest. But yeah, I
10:38
Speaker 2: defer to the veteran who started as a number of
10:40
Speaker 2: games in the NFL and has some experience in this system.
10:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to play on time and that that's
10:46
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10:49
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10:51
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Speaker 2: I mean, I would just say that the receiver group
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Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown played seven snaps. Elijah Moore played seven snaps.
13:40
Speaker 2: Say what you will about that. You could read into it,
13:43
Speaker 2: but the Eagles got them out of the game fairly quickly.
13:45
Speaker 2: So I think when you're looking at the wide receiver hierarchy.
13:49
Speaker 2: This is maybe the way that the team views it
13:51
Speaker 2: versus how the perception may be from the outside. But
13:56
Speaker 2: that was really what I was able to glean from it.
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Speaker 2: But for me, I was really keying in on the
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Speaker 2: reserve offensive lineman, the young players that we've spent so
14:05
Speaker 2: much time talking about. I've invested a lot of time
14:08
Speaker 2: interviewing these players, getting to know them a little bit.
14:11
Speaker 2: I've watched a lot of their college tape before, and
14:13
Speaker 2: then you focus in on them during training camp, and
14:15
Speaker 2: I thought that especially William Lampkin, answered the bell in
14:19
Speaker 2: this game. Now it's about building off of that for
14:21
Speaker 2: the next two games. They have a couple of joint
14:24
Speaker 2: practices this week which are going to be hugely critical
14:27
Speaker 2: for them and in terms of their roster standing. So
14:30
Speaker 2: we'll see where things go. But that for me on
14:33
Speaker 2: the offensive side were some of my bigger takeaways. And
14:36
Speaker 2: then with the running game, by the way, I thought
14:38
Speaker 2: Bill Shipley did a nice job. You talked about that
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Speaker 2: he had five carries for twenty five yards at one
14:43
Speaker 2: point and then he lost some yards and ended up
14:46
Speaker 2: being seven for twenty two. But I don't necessarily look
14:48
Speaker 2: at will as someone who who didn't hold up his end.
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Speaker 2: I think that was something about, you know, just opportunity.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also Miles Fitton played twenty months as I
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Speaker 1: had two penalties. That was disappointing. The ten penalties overall
15:05
Speaker 1: for nearly one hundred yards. This is not going to
15:07
Speaker 1: make it. I mean, that just cannot happen. And the
15:10
Speaker 1: good thing for Ringo, we don't talk about how much
15:12
Speaker 1: of defense because he doesn't play it much, but he
15:14
Speaker 1: did have the pick, he did have a penalty. But overall,
15:17
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Jordan, by the way, he also played
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Speaker 1: twenty one snaps. He's a guy I was thinking a
15:23
Speaker 1: little bit more of because he's the one veteran of
15:25
Speaker 1: this backup group. But it hasn't happened for him yet.
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Speaker 2: He hasn't really stood apart from the others in training camp.
15:32
Speaker 2: He's someone that, yes, you like the experience, but you
15:35
Speaker 2: could probably release him, get him on the practice squad
15:37
Speaker 2: if you like him enough to keep him around and
15:40
Speaker 2: keep him in the building, and maybe you elevate him
15:42
Speaker 2: on game day. You like the experience though that when
15:45
Speaker 2: you talk about this young offensive line, there's a lot
15:48
Speaker 2: of youth there, so a lot of it is based
15:50
Speaker 2: on projection. But I think that the players that we've
15:53
Speaker 2: talked about, the Willie Lampkins of the world and the
15:56
Speaker 2: Michael Morrises, those are players who are if you're worried
16:00
Speaker 2: about the waiver wire, they're more likely to be claimed.
16:03
Speaker 2: And then then Michael Jordan would be signing with another team.
16:06
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because yeah, he's a vested venteran. All right, let's
16:09
Speaker 1: get the defense. This is interesting. So they came out
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Speaker 1: of their usual thirty four front. The tackles were Ty Robinson,
16:15
Speaker 1: who'd flash at least three pressures he had a sack,
16:18
Speaker 1: Barron Young, and Gabe Hall. The edges the start were
16:21
Speaker 1: Epanessa and Ebiquetti. The ilb's were Johad Campbell. He wound
16:26
Speaker 1: up starting. Jeremiah Charter is very active in this game.
16:28
Speaker 1: The safeties were Andre sam you mentioned earlier, Michael Carter,
16:32
Speaker 1: and the corners were Bennett Jacorry Bennett who got hurt,
16:34
Speaker 1: and Ringo got to start there. Get a look at
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Speaker 1: him at corner. Andrew. Let's talk about the defense. I
16:40
Speaker 1: thought there were some good things of this game.
16:41
Speaker 2: What did you say, Yeah, Ty Robinson's a player who
16:44
Speaker 2: the last few practices or so has shown signs with
16:47
Speaker 2: life and that's important. He picked up a sack during
16:51
Speaker 2: team grows. I guess you should put quotations there because
16:54
Speaker 2: they're not taking anyone to the ground, of course, but
16:57
Speaker 2: in the game he was able to get some pressure.
16:59
Speaker 2: He had as a little bit more confidence at least,
17:02
Speaker 2: that's what's evident to me when you watch him play
17:04
Speaker 2: when you start the stack days. Really, since he got
17:07
Speaker 2: in that little scuffle with Tyler Steen early last week
17:11
Speaker 2: in practice, it seems like that almost flipped the switch
17:13
Speaker 2: with him. That's what you want to see from him.
17:15
Speaker 2: He's a fourth round pick. The scouting community was really
17:19
Speaker 2: high on him coming out of the draft, and he
17:21
Speaker 2: just wasn't able to put it together. Played in the
17:22
Speaker 2: eleven games last year, one hundred and four defensive snaps.
17:25
Speaker 2: Now it's really you know, it's go time because when
17:29
Speaker 2: you talk about the defensive tackle situation, yes, you know
17:32
Speaker 2: what the top of the rotation looks like. But Morojomo
17:36
Speaker 2: and Byron Younger in the final years of their rookie deal.
17:39
Speaker 2: That's why tyd Robinson all of a sudden becomes really important.
17:43
Speaker 2: So you need to bring you need him to sort
17:45
Speaker 2: of come along a little bit, and I thought he
17:46
Speaker 2: did some good things. Jeremiah Trotter junior was pretty active
17:50
Speaker 2: in that game, and I thought that the safeties largely
17:53
Speaker 2: did a nice job. Andre Sam Michael Carter had some
17:56
Speaker 2: tough moments, but I thought Andre Sam was mostly in
17:59
Speaker 2: the right play and didn't seem to be at a
18:02
Speaker 2: position all that much. And that's sort of being a
18:04
Speaker 2: byproduct of now in your third season with that defense.
18:07
Speaker 1: The Trotter junior very active. Five combine tackles. He had
18:10
Speaker 1: a sack. You like that because he wasn't known as
18:13
Speaker 1: a great blitzer at Clemson, but man, that was a
18:17
Speaker 1: good sack that he had. And defensively, Zion Wilson Potaway,
18:21
Speaker 1: he showed up. He had four combined tackles in this game.
18:24
Speaker 1: The guy who's very new. We only played defense one
18:26
Speaker 1: year at East Carolina. Before that, he was an offensive
18:30
Speaker 1: lineman and a little bit of a fullback. But he
18:32
Speaker 1: was so good his final season last year at East Carolina.
18:36
Speaker 1: It was going to transfer to Uva to get one
18:39
Speaker 1: more year, but the NCAA denied it. You go sign
18:42
Speaker 1: him as an undirected free agent, but man, is he's built. Andrew,
18:47
Speaker 1: He's got some quickness. I like what I saw in
18:49
Speaker 1: that game.
18:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sort of an intriguing player who hasn't gotten
18:53
Speaker 2: a lot of practice reps. But there's a lot of
18:57
Speaker 2: interest there because of what he could become. And we'll
19:01
Speaker 2: have to wait and see if he's able to kind
19:02
Speaker 2: of was at a blip on the radar or is
19:04
Speaker 2: he going to be able to build off of that?
19:07
Speaker 2: But I also thought that Deontay Lawson, the undrafted linebacker
19:10
Speaker 2: out of Alabama, as a player that I am keeping
19:12
Speaker 2: an eye on. He's flashed a little bit the last
19:15
Speaker 2: couple of practices. Chance Campbell has been They've been slow
19:20
Speaker 2: playing him a little bit as he's working through the
19:21
Speaker 2: groin injury. He did not play in the game on
19:24
Speaker 2: Saturday night. And while I still know, I know that
19:27
Speaker 2: the Eagles really like Chance Campbell, Deontay Lawson's a younger player,
19:31
Speaker 2: has some athleticism. Maybe he's a good developmental player that
19:35
Speaker 2: they might want to keep on the practice squad. But
19:37
Speaker 2: he showed something to me on Saturday night.
19:40
Speaker 1: By the way, the players who did not play, who
19:42
Speaker 1: are backups? Damian Pierce. Is Pierce hurt?
19:46
Speaker 2: Yeah he's hurt.
19:47
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he's hurt John Jones. We know it's hurt
19:50
Speaker 1: Chance Campbell, who you mentioned. We mentioned Johnny Munt earlier.
19:54
Speaker 1: The one that surprised me now was Johnny Wilson on
19:56
Speaker 1: the injury report.
19:57
Speaker 2: So he was leading up to third with a knee.
20:01
Speaker 2: He missed two days with it was classified as a knee,
20:04
Speaker 2: but he was full go on Thursday, so the presumption was, Okay,
20:10
Speaker 2: he's in the clear. Maybe they were just being cautious.
20:13
Speaker 2: But I think in this case, maybe they were being
20:15
Speaker 2: cautious and not trying to put him out there and
20:17
Speaker 2: risk reaggravating something. I'm not exactly sure, but on Thursday,
20:21
Speaker 2: what I can tell you is that he did practice.
20:24
Speaker 1: The other guys who are hurt did play was Nesky
20:27
Speaker 1: Castro Fields, the corner, James Newby, the edge rusher. He's
20:33
Speaker 1: been hurt. And then you know that overall is pretty
20:35
Speaker 1: much yet. But Johnny Wilson, boy, they really need to
20:37
Speaker 1: take a look at him over the final two games
20:39
Speaker 1: at least, and these joint practices, which we'll get to
20:42
Speaker 1: in a minute. Uh final thoughts on defense, anything else
20:45
Speaker 1: that stood out to you in this game.
20:48
Speaker 2: I would say that Mac McWilliams probably he had a
20:50
Speaker 2: tough night going into it. He was someone that was
20:54
Speaker 2: coming on a little bit. He was emerging, But I
20:57
Speaker 2: noticed them more as a corner than I did as
21:00
Speaker 2: a nickelback. They use him as a nickelback in this game,
21:03
Speaker 2: and I thought that he was targeted early. They were
21:06
Speaker 2: sort of picking on him peppering the middle of the field.
21:09
Speaker 2: He had ten tackles, but that's not a good thing.
21:11
Speaker 2: You don't want to see your nickel corner at wrack
21:13
Speaker 2: up double digit tackles, and I thought that there is
21:17
Speaker 2: a you know, there's a lot of optimism about him
21:20
Speaker 2: going into that game, and there still should be, to
21:23
Speaker 2: be clear, but I didn't think he had the best
21:26
Speaker 2: outing in that first game.
21:28
Speaker 1: The big positive to me is ty Robinson showed up,
21:30
Speaker 1: and he showed up early in this game, and he
21:32
Speaker 1: needed to because he's had a nondescript training camp. As
21:35
Speaker 1: we talked about the start of camp. They want a
21:37
Speaker 1: lock to make the team. He just needs to show something.
21:39
Speaker 1: As you correctly pointed out two guys who were important
21:43
Speaker 1: to them Byron Young of course Moro Jomo. Their contracts
21:46
Speaker 1: are up and next year could be very very interesting
21:48
Speaker 1: if these guys aren't back. So We'll see what happens
21:50
Speaker 1: there with their contractual issues, whether they're going to be
21:53
Speaker 1: back or not. But I want to see more of
21:56
Speaker 1: Arnold Ebuqutty started the game. Andrew Yeah, I know he
22:00
Speaker 1: He's got a decent amount of guaranteed money, so it's
22:02
Speaker 1: not questionable that he be on the team or not.
22:03
Speaker 1: But I'd like to see him. He played twenty two
22:06
Speaker 1: snaps of the he got twenty eight percent of the snaps.
22:09
Speaker 1: I like to see him be more of a factor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, early in the game, I noticed him a little bit,
26:22
Speaker 2: but I noticed overall epinessa a little bit more, and
26:26
Speaker 2: I think you're going to see him work in a
26:28
Speaker 2: little bit. He has stood out to me in training camp,
26:33
Speaker 2: maybe not as a pure pass rusher, but setting the edge,
26:36
Speaker 2: and he's been active in run support and things like that.
26:41
Speaker 2: I also want to mention two other players that really
26:44
Speaker 2: warrant consideration here for uh for having a notable night,
26:48
Speaker 2: and that is who are Bernard and Joshua Wayrou? Both
26:52
Speaker 2: ipp players who are Bernard of course, a Nigeria native
26:56
Speaker 2: and Wairoa a native of Kenya. Wayrous has done some
27:03
Speaker 2: solid things in camp the last week or so. I
27:06
Speaker 2: know Vic Fangio mentioned that both players are light years away,
27:09
Speaker 2: but we spend so much time talking about who are Bernard?
27:13
Speaker 2: Whereas Joshua Wayrou is clearly ahead of him in terms
27:17
Speaker 2: of just having a better grasp on what he's doing
27:22
Speaker 2: out there. And he had a couple of pressures and
27:24
Speaker 2: had a quarterback hit and it was cool to see
27:27
Speaker 2: that translate what we've seen on the practice field into
27:30
Speaker 2: a game situation. Play thirty snaps in that game, which
27:33
Speaker 2: is more than I anticipated going in, and then who
27:36
Speaker 2: or Bernard played fifteen.
27:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the fact that Bernard played it tells you
27:40
Speaker 1: that Fangio and the front office and the coaches who're
27:44
Speaker 1: working with him believe that he could protect himself. He
27:47
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing enough to get out there. Now
27:50
Speaker 1: they've got some tape where you can actually tackle. There's
27:54
Speaker 1: opponent on the other side that's not their own players.
27:56
Speaker 1: So it's cool. He got his feet what's so to speak,
28:00
Speaker 1: and gets to see what it's like to play in
28:01
Speaker 1: an NFL game. It's it's really cool and that now
28:05
Speaker 1: that's behind them. Now he knows and they've got that
28:07
Speaker 1: tape to go over and we'll see what happened. So
28:10
Speaker 1: and let's turn the page. So this week Wednesday and Thursday,
28:16
Speaker 1: late morning, the Eagles were practice up there in New England.
28:18
Speaker 1: Right now, the weather looks like it's going to be good,
28:20
Speaker 1: so let's hope it stays that way. What are your
28:22
Speaker 1: thoughts on this week's practice with the defending AFC champion Patriot.
28:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait for it. Joint practices are my
28:29
Speaker 2: favorite aspect of training camp. It's been the high I
28:32
Speaker 2: had that highlighted as soon as the dates were announced
28:34
Speaker 2: that that's the highlight of my summer. But really there,
28:38
Speaker 2: I think every team, it's fair to say, is getting
28:40
Speaker 2: to that point the summer where you've reached the dog
28:43
Speaker 2: days and you just want to square off against another team.
28:46
Speaker 2: The Eagles are certainly in that category, and the Patriots
28:50
Speaker 2: are a good football team, so you get a really
28:52
Speaker 2: good assessment of where the Eagles are. This is going
28:54
Speaker 2: to be more geared towards the starters who aren't playing
28:57
Speaker 2: in these preseason games to get some really quol work,
29:00
Speaker 2: and then for the reserves and the deeper reserves, that's
29:03
Speaker 2: what the preseason games are for. But this should be
29:06
Speaker 2: a really good indicator of where a lot of these
29:09
Speaker 2: players are and seeing how that translates what we've seen
29:12
Speaker 2: through eleven training camp practices to what we're going to
29:16
Speaker 2: see next this.
29:17
Speaker 1: Week, right, And what happens is the starters on both
29:20
Speaker 1: teams will play a ton. Typically when you have joined practices,
29:24
Speaker 1: the starters practice a ton and then they don't play
29:26
Speaker 1: in the game. So you're going to see barring injur
29:29
Speaker 1: You're going to see a j. Brown. We look forward
29:30
Speaker 1: to seeing that. What that's going to look like. Matchup wise,
29:33
Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs, we will see him in practice. I know
29:36
Speaker 1: they're excited to get him. They have a decent tight
29:40
Speaker 1: end group. It's not great they've got They've had some
29:42
Speaker 1: challenges of their offensive line. This is where the Eagles
29:45
Speaker 1: defensive front could could really win, there's no question about it.
29:48
Speaker 1: And Christian Gonzales, as long as he's healthy, we'll see
29:52
Speaker 1: how he matches up with whoever they put out there.
29:54
Speaker 1: Now here's the problem. We don't know about Smitty Makay Lemon.
29:57
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he practices only because he isn't
29:59
Speaker 1: practice in a while. I'll take at this point, I
30:03
Speaker 1: take a limited practice. I'll take any kind of reps
30:06
Speaker 1: if he can do it. But again, we got to
30:09
Speaker 1: see what happens today. Today's money and they practice today
30:12
Speaker 1: late morning, but early afternoons rather. But the bottom line is, Andrew,
30:16
Speaker 1: these are very important to their team. That New England
30:19
Speaker 1: obviously came out of nowhere last year. But it's gonna
30:22
Speaker 1: be fun there's gonna be a lot of juices. I
30:23
Speaker 1: look forward to it.
30:25
Speaker 2: And by the way, three injuries to keep an eye on.
30:28
Speaker 2: Based off of Thursday. The only player who was not
30:32
Speaker 2: in uniform at all was sa Quon Barkley and it
30:35
Speaker 2: looked like he got dinged on Thursday towards the end
30:39
Speaker 2: of practice. We'll have to wait and see how that goes,
30:43
Speaker 2: how that develops throughout the week. Quinna Mitchell had the
30:46
Speaker 2: glue that sidelined him for Thursday's practice, and Cooper dejen
30:50
Speaker 2: had it gin that sidelined him for Thursday. That those
30:54
Speaker 2: are three things that we got to keep an eye
30:57
Speaker 2: on as we move forward through this week.
30:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, because if you're going against the Patriots
31:02
Speaker 1: and with all that they're bringing on offense, Trayvon Henderson
31:05
Speaker 1: Stevenson may decent tight end group. I know they really
31:10
Speaker 1: like Pop Douglas. The backup receivers got some good quicks.
31:14
Speaker 1: You want your defense top defensive players out there. And
31:16
Speaker 1: as you say, we'll see you about Barklay. But bottom
31:19
Speaker 1: line is the Eagles will move on. They will play
31:22
Speaker 1: the Patriots on Saturday. For Andrew to check o, I'm
31:26
Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan. We'll see you on the next show.
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