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UK Column News - 6th June 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: It's Friday the sixth that you're in twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 2: just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Colin News. I'm
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Speaker 2: your host Mike Robinson. Joining me in the studio today
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Speaker 2: is Patrick Hennison. Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 1: Patrick, great to be with you, Mike, and.
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Speaker 2: By videolink we have Mark Anderson and we're delighted to
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Speaker 2: also have Kait Klarenberg with us as well.
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Speaker 1: Now we're going to begin with Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: Patrick and the claim from the BBC that Cutin will
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Speaker 2: seek revenge, and that's typically a mode of language from
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Speaker 2: the bebe.
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Speaker 3: Well atypicals in fact, sounds more like the news of
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Speaker 3: the world. If you read the other mainstream media, they
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Speaker 3: say Putin will respond or retaliate. But the BBC's taking
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Speaker 3: a little feather out of Rubert Murdock's gap there. So
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Speaker 3: there's the revenges coming apparently. Now, listen to this comment
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Speaker 3: from Trump in the White House.
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Speaker 4: So would you consider to put more sanctions on Lassia?
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Speaker 5: This discussion is going on now for weeks and months,
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Speaker 5: and you tweeted about it once, but then nothing happens. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: I see when I see the moment when we're not
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Speaker 5: going to make a deal when this thing won't stop.
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Speaker 5: That moment, Yeah, it's in my brain. The deadline when
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Speaker 5: I see the moment where it's not going to stop,
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Speaker 5: and I'm sure you're going to do the same thing.
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Speaker 5: Will be very, very, very tough. And it could be
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Speaker 5: on both countries. To be honest, you know, it takes
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Speaker 5: two to tango, but we're.
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Speaker 6: Going to be very tough. Whether it's Russia or anybody else,
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Speaker 6: We're going to be very tough.
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Speaker 3: That So the peace negotiations don't like that. They're they're
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Speaker 3: going so well here. So and look the problem is,
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Speaker 3: and we'll we'll play some a little bit of footage here,
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Speaker 3: but Trump's basically saying that there's going to be some
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Speaker 3: kind of response from from Russia. He's acknowledging that this
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Speaker 3: was a very from a public relations point of view,
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Speaker 3: this is a very successful opera for Ukraine and for
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Speaker 3: the fundraising operation that Zelenski is running with the West.
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Speaker 3: As it stands on the ground in terms of material
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Speaker 3: differences on the battlefield, doesn't look like it's that consequential,
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Speaker 3: but huge in terms of public relations in places like Westminster,
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Speaker 3: Brussels and Washington. D c But you know, how long
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Speaker 3: can Trump carry on with this aloof approach to foreign
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Speaker 3: policy where he says, I had no idea that they
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Speaker 3: tried to assassinate Putin and his helicopter. I had no
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Speaker 3: idea about this massive drone strike getting their long range
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Speaker 3: nuctive durrant. And this is the same president that says
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Speaker 3: this war would never have happened if I was president. Well,
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Speaker 3: he is president, and we now have a major nuclear
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Speaker 3: potential provocation. So this whole aloof stick is just getting
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Speaker 3: long in the tooth with Trump. So I really I'm
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Speaker 3: not buying it, quite frankly, and I don't know anybody
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Speaker 3: who actually is. So this is this is one of
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Speaker 3: the problems here. So Trump is I think, who knows.
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Speaker 3: Somebody could have just told him, well, this is what
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Speaker 3: we're going to do, and he telegraphs these vague signals.
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Speaker 3: He's constantly doing this and you just left to interpret
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Speaker 3: what he says. Meanwhile, Lindsay Graham is gallivanting around Kiev,
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Speaker 3: and Mike Pompeo is in Odessa meeting the leader of
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Speaker 3: the trades massacre in Odessa, who is one of the
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Speaker 3: more unsavory characters in the Ukrainian Parliament. So that's what's
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Speaker 3: going on, and meanwhile they're trying to conduct negotiations. Look
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Speaker 3: like they're kind of dead in the water at Istanbul
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Speaker 3: with attack like an attack like this coming before it. Mike,
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Speaker 3: So this is the problem that we're facing here. So
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Speaker 3: we'll take a look at just to review here, this
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Speaker 3: was the operation. We'll bring this up on screen if
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Speaker 3: you remember how this went down. These were basically container
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Speaker 3: trucks that were disguised as who knows, mobile sort of
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Speaker 3: homes or something like that, but contained sort of autonomous drones,
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Speaker 3: probably using the Russian telecom system, but maybe using Starlink satellites.
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Speaker 3: It's not certain how this was organized and these were deployed.
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Speaker 3: This was fifteen months in the making, and supposedly Trump
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Speaker 3: didn't know about it. I highly doubt that if he
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Speaker 3: is if he is true and he is honest and
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Speaker 3: he didn't know about it, he's not in charge. And
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Speaker 3: that's a whole other conversation as well. But this is
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Speaker 3: a level of asymmetric warfare, like the potential for this
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Speaker 3: is hugely disruptive for any country, especially Russia, who is
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Speaker 3: exposed because it doesn't have like the United States and
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Speaker 3: ocean on each side. As a world superpower, it has
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Speaker 3: to guard a lot of border and territory and it's
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Speaker 3: a bigger problem. So this is I think the future
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Speaker 3: of warfare. They're calling it, Mike, and this is hugely dangerous.
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Speaker 3: If this is what NATO is planning, a relentless waves
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Speaker 3: of these types of swarms, then we could be in
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Speaker 3: for a very long and tedious conflict.
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Speaker 2: Last week we reported that the UK government had announced
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Speaker 2: the kill Web as part of the Strategic Defense Review,
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Speaker 2: or Digital Targeting Web as they like to call it.
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Speaker 2: This is said to enable quick fire targeting of enemy assets,
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Speaker 2: including through offensive cyber operations. And they're saying that this
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Speaker 2: kill Web is going to be based at the new
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Speaker 2: Cyber and Electronic Actual Magnetic Command which they're establishing at
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Speaker 2: the same time, and that's going to lead these are
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Speaker 2: their words, defensive cyber operations and coordinate offensive cyber operations
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Speaker 2: with the National Cyber Force.
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Speaker 1: And so the question is is the.
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Speaker 2: Coincidence that the drone operation of the Ukrainian drone operations
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Speaker 2: called Spider's Web. Is this an allusion to the kill
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Speaker 2: web idea?
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Speaker 3: I don't believe in coincidence, especially too that appear in
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Speaker 3: the same week mic and the announcement preceded the operation.
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Speaker 3: So obviously you know they're patting each other on the
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Speaker 3: back in the halls of Westminster on this.
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Speaker 2: Right, So well, why don't I welcome Kit Clarenburg to
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Speaker 2: the program? Kit, welcome to the program. Is it a
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Speaker 2: coincidence that these two terms signed similar?
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Speaker 4: No, I mean, much like Patrick, I'm no believer in coincidences.
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Speaker 4: I mean I think that I actually respectfully disagree potentially
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Speaker 4: that Trump wasn't in the loop on this. I do
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Speaker 4: err on the side of him actually having been kept
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Speaker 4: out of this, and this having been a British operation
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Speaker 4: which was planned with that perhaps with CIA knowledge, but
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Speaker 4: without their oversight. We at the Gray Zones ever since,
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Speaker 4: ever since the proxy war erupted in February twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 4: have been systematically documenting how it is Britain that is
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Speaker 4: leading escalatory actions, concocting all sorts of wild schemes to
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Speaker 4: up the ante in the proxy war, with the ultimate
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Speaker 4: objective of keeping the US invested in this, broiled in this,
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Speaker 4: and trying to prevent them from withdrawing, which I do
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Speaker 4: think there is a significant strain of sentiment within the
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Speaker 4: US public, within the US government, within within the Pentagon
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Speaker 4: and the CIA, that they realized that this is a
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Speaker 4: very costly, unwinnable quagmire. That is, uh, the the the
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Speaker 4: cost benefit ratio is not in their favor at this
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Speaker 4: point for a variety of reasons. Now, what I think
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Speaker 4: is quite interesting as well is when this attack happened,
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Speaker 4: and then there were subsequent strikes such as under Underwater
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Speaker 4: attacked and kirch Bridge and the blowing up of bridges
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Speaker 4: in kirk and Briansk. You know, all of these actions
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Speaker 4: were advocated in leaked British intelligence files that we've reported
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Speaker 4: on at the Grey Zone. So no prizes for guessing
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Speaker 4: who came up with these ideas and encouraged the Ukraine
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Speaker 4: to go ahead with them. Is that initially there was
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Speaker 4: this flurry of intense media hype about these strikes. The
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Speaker 4: Daily Telegraph rather bombastardly reported Trump said Ukraine held no cards. Well,
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Speaker 4: they just proved that they hold many cards. The BBC said,
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Speaker 4: Tubb thumping Lee, Ukraine has just sent a very powerful
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Speaker 4: message to Russia and the West. And then we fast
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Speaker 4: forward only a few days. You know, this is less
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Speaker 4: than a week ago now, and Politico acknowledges that the
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Speaker 4: military utility of these attacks was actually very limited and
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Speaker 4: it's had absolutely no impact whatsoever on the frontline reality,
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Speaker 4: which is that Russia is advancing at an ever increasing
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Speaker 4: rate and scale. They are seizing new territory every single day,
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Speaker 4: inflicting vast casualties in Ukraine every step of the way.
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Speaker 4: Reuters has also acknowledged that there is no evidence that
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Speaker 4: anywhere near the amount of strategic bombers that Ukraine claimed
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Speaker 4: to have damaged or destroyed. I think they initially claimed
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Speaker 4: it was forty. There was the Reuters admits there's no
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Speaker 4: evidence to support this. I think that the true number
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Speaker 4: is probably a tenth of that. Yeah, I mean this
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Speaker 4: was a much needed propaganda victory at a time that
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Speaker 4: Ukraine is on the brink of collapse on the front line,
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Speaker 4: and that initial burst of exuberants has rather faded. I
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Speaker 4: mean there were numerous politicians, including Boris Johnson, who we
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Speaker 4: know sabotaged personally the peace talks in Istanbul in April
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two between Russia and Ukraine by flying to
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Speaker 4: Kiev and offering Zelensky the blank is the blank checks
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Speaker 4: to keep going when they were a signature away from
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Speaker 4: a rather equitable peace deal that he stated, this shows
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Speaker 4: how inventive and intelligent and resourceful the Ukrainians are. It's
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Speaker 4: time to ratchet up the sanctions. It's time to finish
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Speaker 4: this and end Putin's reign of terror. Karl Built, the
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Speaker 4: former Swedish Prime Minister and a latter day EU Apparatchik said,
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Speaker 4: this is like something out of a Double O seven novel,
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Speaker 4: which I think was probably the inspiration and point behind this.
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Speaker 4: As we've again at the grey Zone delved into a
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Speaker 4: lot of the British military and intelligence planners who are
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Speaker 4: behind Ukraine's daring operations which almost invariably end in total failure,
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Speaker 4: are quite clearly informed heavily by Hollywood readings of World
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Speaker 4: War Two. There was, for instance, the attempt to capture
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Speaker 4: a beachhead and crinkie which lasted. This is in Russian
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Speaker 4: Russian occupied Curson. It was an operation that lasted for
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Speaker 4: nine months. Wave after wave of British trained Ukrainian marines
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Speaker 4: were sent on high speedboat ribs across the Denepro River
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Speaker 4: without any air cover whatsoever. It was hoped by the
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Speaker 4: British they could recreate D Day and march from Crinky
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Speaker 4: on Crimea and outright victory. In reality, most Marines were
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Speaker 4: killed en route due to relentless Russian fire. Many people
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Speaker 4: have actually met who made it there were killed immediately
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Speaker 4: upon arrival by Russian artillery and glide bombs and drones.
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Speaker 4: And you know, this is just one of many total disasters,
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Speaker 4: including the Kursking cursion and the twenty twenty three counter offensive,
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Speaker 4: which we now know and has been confirmed in the
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Speaker 4: mainstream media, were plotted by the British, apparently with the
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Speaker 4: US not being overly happy about these things, about these
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Speaker 4: operations going ahead and being skeptical of their chances of success.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you very much for that, Grit.
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Speaker 3: A couple of points, just to underline what Kit says,
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Speaker 3: he's really demonstrated there that every single major negotiation threshold
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Speaker 3: point of Britain has been there, probably behind the scenes,
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Speaker 3: working with Ukraine to basically sabotage any potential advance in
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Speaker 3: bilateral or multilateral negotiation. So, I mean, that's a pattern
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Speaker 3: that's pretty well established gotten back for the duration of
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Speaker 3: this conflict.
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Speaker 2: Right right, Okay, Well, something else I'm really keen to
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Speaker 2: get Kit's viewon is this because, as Charles mentioned during
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Speaker 2: his report on kir Starmer's Shiny Strategic Defense Review on
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Speaker 2: Wednesday's program, we need to have a look at the authors.
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Speaker 2: He did suggest that I was going to do that today,
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Speaker 2: so let's have a look at them now. The primary
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Speaker 2: authors were these three, Lord Robertson, General Sir Richard Barns
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Speaker 2: and Fiona Hill.
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Speaker 3: That's doctor Hill.
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Speaker 1: That's doctor Hill.
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Speaker 2: Now, as I mentioned on Monday's program, Robertson as a
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Speaker 2: former Libor Secretary of State for Defense and later served
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Speaker 2: a Secretary General of NATO. Now he also served as
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Speaker 2: Scottish Secretary at one point.
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Speaker 1: He is from Scotland. He lived at dun Blaine, and.
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Speaker 2: He successfully sued Sunday Herald over a post on the
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Speaker 2: Herald's reader forum that he had helped The accusation in
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Speaker 2: the post was it he helped secure a gun license
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Speaker 2: for Thomas Hamilton, the man who carried out the dun
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Speaker 2: Blayne massacre. Now I mentioned this because it's related to
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Speaker 2: the online safety report that are going to make later
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Speaker 2: on in the program. But he successfully sued over that,
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Speaker 2: and that made a difference to what people could post
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Speaker 2: on forums subsequently. But coming back to the other characters
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Speaker 2: in this play. General Sir Richard Barrons is the next
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Speaker 2: on the list, former commander of Joined Forces Command, a
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Speaker 2: rabbit russophobe, and well here's a clip of what Baron's
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Speaker 2: had to say during twenty twenty nine, sorry twenty nineteen
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Speaker 2: interview that David Ellis ran with him, which you can
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Speaker 2: find on the UK Column website.
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Speaker 7: If you're going to build armies, nighbies and air forces different,
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Speaker 7: they're built around manned, unmanned on autonomous capability. UK industry
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Speaker 7: can make this. So this has to be good for
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Speaker 7: prosperity because for the first time for a long time,
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Speaker 7: UK industry at scale will be making things that other
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Speaker 7: people around the world need to buy, and so this
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Speaker 7: is good for export prosperity. And so if our politics
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Speaker 7: gets this right, we can fix our defense, we can
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Speaker 7: influence our friends, we can deter our enemies, and we
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Speaker 7: can boost our industry. I mean, this for me is
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Speaker 7: in the no Brainer territory.
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Speaker 2: And that's absolutely part of the theme of the Strategic
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Speaker 2: Defense Review that war and death around the world can
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Speaker 2: be used as a driver for industry in the UK
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Speaker 2: and create jobs fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Definitely in the No Brainer territory, absolutely in the no
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Speaker 1: brainer territory.
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Speaker 2: But we've got to remember, if we put this on screen,
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Speaker 2: that he is a close friend of Chris Donnelly, a
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Speaker 2: founder of the Institute for Stairecraft and it's Rusophobic Integrity
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Speaker 2: Initiative project. And Chris Donneley himself was a special advisor
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Speaker 2: for Natal sectaries general over thirteen years, including Robertson. And
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Speaker 2: now this is a quote from donaldy during a Defense
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Speaker 2: Committee hearing that I attended in twenty nineteen. In hybrid warfare,
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Speaker 2: everything is a weapon and that is basically the theme
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Speaker 2: of Baron's opinion, but also Donaldley's opinion as well. And
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Speaker 2: the third person finally we have here is the doctor
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Speaker 2: Fiona Hill, a British born American foreign affairs well. She
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Speaker 2: describes herself as a specialist. I don't know, we may
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Speaker 2: have different opinions of that, who's also a total Russophobe,
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Speaker 2: and her Russophobia is totally focused on the person of
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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin himself, with analyzes such as Putin's personality disorder
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Speaker 2: and what if Putin disappeared for real? Now she's a spook.
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Speaker 2: She became an intelligence analyst under George W. Bush and
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Speaker 2: Barack Obama at the National Intelligence Consul and where she
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Speaker 2: was a senior expert on Russia and the former Soviet republics,
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Speaker 2: including Ukraine, and then in between stints brooking since she
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Speaker 2: was also Deputy Assistant to the President and Senior Director
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Speaker 2: of European and Russian Affairs on Trump's during Trump's first
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Speaker 2: term and when she was on the National Security Council.
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Speaker 2: So she's quite a woman. So kit, let me ask you,
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Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on these three?
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's difficult to know where to begin,
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Speaker 4: although I mean, just as a preface, you mentioned Baron's
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Speaker 4: connections to Donnelly. In twenty fourteen, there was a British
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Speaker 4: Parliamentary Defense Select Committee hearing on the future of Britain
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Speaker 4: and NATO, and Donnelly explicitly stated that Britain should take
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Speaker 4: a lead on arming and training Ukrainian forces in their
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Speaker 4: brutal crackdown on the civilian population in Donbass because this
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Speaker 4: would encourage the US to refocus on Europe at a
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Speaker 4: time it was pivoting under Obama to Asia. And Obama
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Speaker 4: also explicitly stated that Ukraine is not a core interest
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Speaker 4: of the US, but it is of Russia. Therefore we
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Speaker 4: shouldn't interfere. So he has played a significant role in
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Speaker 4: getting us to where we are now, and he is
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Speaker 4: overseeing Britain's contributions to the proxy war in secret. But yes,
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Speaker 4: I mean Lord Robertson was. I believe he was Blair's
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Speaker 4: Defense secretary and he is. In nineteen ninety eight he
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Speaker 4: initiated another Strategic Defense Review which set out a very
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Speaker 4: bold vision for creating British Empire two point zero. At
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Speaker 4: a called for the creation of British aircraft carriers. You know,
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Speaker 4: fast forward to today and those aircraft carriers were which
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Speaker 4: took many, many decades in the making, and billions in
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Speaker 4: the making, are now scheduled for scrapped because they've been
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Speaker 4: found to be completely useless, which is quite quite ironic.
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Speaker 4: But Barons is a very interesting character. Again, you mentioned
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Speaker 4: the Institute for Stakecraft. In twenty sixteen, Barons gave a
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Speaker 4: talk at the Institute which was rather incendury and it
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Speaker 4: effectively laid the foundations for the Ukraine Proxy War. And
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Speaker 4: he talked about how due to the rising power of
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Speaker 4: China and Russia, global engagement is no longer on the
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Speaker 4: West terms. The West power is waning and there is
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Speaker 4: a risk that the US can no longer protect us.
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Speaker 4: And he stated that we need to deal with Russia
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Speaker 4: by doing things that are serious, and if no catastrophe
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Speaker 4: happens to wake people up and demand a response, it
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Speaker 4: was necessary to manufacture such catastrophes, and then you have
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Speaker 4: the launch of Integrity Initiative and all of these stories
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Speaker 4: about Russian meddling, which were black propaganda, laying the foundations
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Speaker 4: for war against Russia, which serve to turn European governments
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Speaker 4: and populations against Russia. But yeah, I mean he is.
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Speaker 4: In that same talk, he explicitly stated that, well, we
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Speaker 4: need to be spending billions more on defense, and we
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Speaker 4: need to seriously beef up Britain's military capabilities in terms
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Speaker 4: of you know, concrete ideas in this Strategic Defense Review
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Speaker 4: for doing that. Their only answer is to spend more money. Well,
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Speaker 4: I mean, the obvious problem with that is you can
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Speaker 4: print money, but you can't print bullets or tanks or soldiers.
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Speaker 4: And on all three fronts, the UK is significantly lacking,
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Speaker 4: not least because it doesn't have a defense industrial base anymore,
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Speaker 4: or much in the way of industry. So I strongly
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Speaker 4: suspect that that those calls will come to nothing. Fiona Hill,
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Speaker 4: as you mentioned, she is a absolutely lunatic russophobe of
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Speaker 4: some standing. I don't think that she can even speak Russian,
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Speaker 4: but she is frequently cited as a expert on Putin's
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Speaker 4: Russia and yes, takes a typically very hawkish line. In
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Speaker 4: a bizarre coincidence, she happened to know Christopher Steele personally,
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Speaker 4: the disgraced former m I six operative who was behind
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Speaker 4: the Trump Russia dossier, and she introduced Steel to Eager
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Speaker 4: Eagle dan Chenko, who was steel source for all of
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Speaker 4: the duba's claims in that dossier. So she she may
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Speaker 4: well have played a played some kind of a role
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Speaker 4: in its fabrication. So yeah, I mean the contents of
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Speaker 4: the review are kind of unsurprising. They talk about how
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Speaker 4: Russia is the gravest threat to Britain and that Britain
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Speaker 4: needs to undertake significant measures to counter this. I mean,
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Speaker 4: this is the product of enduring post imperial delusions about
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Speaker 4: Britain's importance and power on the world stage. You know,
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Speaker 4: Britain wants to believe that it is a major global power.
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Speaker 4: I think they're just seen as a source of major
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Speaker 4: annoyance and nuisance by the Russians. I don't think they're
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Speaker 4: taken particularly seriously, and I think that that attitude extends
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Speaker 4: to most European countries at this stage. They've disarmed themselves
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Speaker 4: by sending all of their weapons to Ukraine. They have
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Speaker 4: bankrupted themselves by sending money to Ukraine, and they've also
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Speaker 4: cut themselves off from the electively cut themselves off from
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Speaker 4: Russian energy supplies, which is just deindustrialized the entire continent.
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Speaker 4: You know, I think we've kind of we've hit the
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Speaker 4: brick wall of illusions here for a lot of for
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Speaker 4: a lot of Western powers, although it may well take
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Speaker 4: quite some time for the reality to catch up with them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And staying on this subject of the UK and
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Speaker 3: their role behind the scenes in some of these conflict zones,
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Speaker 3: this is an interesting story which has come up here.
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Speaker 3: This is the Cradle obviously one of the best English
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Speaker 3: language Middle East news outlets here, but more signs of
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Speaker 3: Britain grooming serious al Qaeda rooted government. And you can
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Speaker 3: see there the new president sporting asavil Row. Look there,
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Speaker 3: and you're talking about here the rise of a London
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Speaker 3: born Muslim brotherhood activist to the heart of the Damascus politics,
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Speaker 3: reveals and even deeper layers of the UK's long war
22:36
Speaker 3: to rebrand al Qaeda's power and legitimize it as the
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Speaker 3: Syrian government here and they go on and basically this
22:43
Speaker 3: basically summarizes Britain's outsized role in shaping the conflict, bringing
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Speaker 3: al Qaeder to power, whitewashing its leadership, and embedding UK
22:51
Speaker 3: operatives within the political infrastructure in that country. And this
22:57
Speaker 3: brings us to a great article here by Kick Clarenberg.
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Speaker 3: This is up on his substack Global Delinquents the column
23:04
Speaker 3: and how I six helped hts Seese Syria. Now there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of familiar faces in this article, Mike, including
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Speaker 3: perhaps the person who recommended the Salvaro tailor for al
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Speaker 3: Jelani Hamish to Breton Gordon. But look at these two
23:20
Speaker 3: likely fellows. These are the new Chuckle Brothers, Mike. This
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Speaker 3: is Alistair Campbell Rory Stewart giving a warm welcome to
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Speaker 3: the new self appointed president of Syria, the former Al
23:31
Speaker 3: Qaeda leader in Syria, ol Back Daddy's deputy at isis
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Speaker 3: they're platforming him, legitimizing him is quite an extraordinary thing.
23:41
Speaker 3: There so we can get into that. I want to
23:43
Speaker 3: bring Kit in here right now. Kit, great article. Obviously
23:47
Speaker 3: there's a lot of familiar names and all of the
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Speaker 3: theater that we've seen over the last fifteen years to
23:53
Speaker 3: destabilize Syria. You can see how it all fits together here.
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Speaker 3: But your thoughts on this.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, So I'm the There was at the start
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Speaker 4: of May, or it might have been mid May, there
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Speaker 4: was the US Ambassador Syria twenty eleven to twenty fourteen,
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Speaker 4: Robert Ford.
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Speaker 1: He gave a talk.
24:17
Speaker 4: During which he acknowledged that in twenty twenty three a
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Speaker 4: British non governmental organization had approached him and sought his
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Speaker 4: personal assistance in transforming HTS and Sharah Audiolani into politicians,
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Speaker 4: rebranding them in advance of their seizure of power in Damascus.
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Speaker 4: Now this that firm was revealed by the Independent Independent Arabia.
24:49
Speaker 4: I didn't know the Independent had an Arabic language outlet,
24:52
Speaker 4: but apparently it does. These comments that it was revealed
24:57
Speaker 4: to be into. The firm was revealed by the and
25:00
Speaker 4: in Arabia to be Intermediate, which was set up by
25:05
Speaker 4: Jonathan Powell, who was a key advisor to to Tony
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Speaker 4: Blair's government. He was chief of staff throughout Tony Blair's
25:15
Speaker 4: ten years in power. He was one of the key
25:18
Speaker 4: architects of Iraq who knew that Saddam Hussein didn't have
25:22
Speaker 4: weapons of mass destruction and wasn't a threat, but thought
25:25
Speaker 4: that it was good to get rid of him anyway
25:26
Speaker 4: because he brought into this humanitarian interventionism nonsense preached by
25:32
Speaker 4: Blair and the neo con gallery. That report in Independent
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Speaker 4: Arabia was kind of kind of was missed by the
25:44
Speaker 4: English language media, including the Independent media, with the notable
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Speaker 4: exception of Vanessa Biley, who wrote an excellent article for
25:54
Speaker 4: UK column I believe, which is well worth checking out.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, there is a there has been a in
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Speaker 4: the manner of a kind of low grade theater production
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Speaker 4: in which you have a small cast playing different roles
26:08
Speaker 4: at different times. You know, the same names keep cropping
26:11
Speaker 4: up and up and up. But yes, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 4: hamishter Brett and Gordon, who was on the front line
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Speaker 4: of propaganda operations in Syria, also was an m I
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Speaker 4: six agent staging chemical weapons attacks to blame Assad, sorry
26:29
Speaker 4: that Assad's forces for for breaching the US's red lines
26:35
Speaker 4: and trying to encourage US intervention, and he also set
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Speaker 4: up a bunch of bogus humanitarian groups uh that that again,
26:45
Speaker 4: you know, were part of a wider propaganda effort to
26:48
Speaker 4: demonize Syria and Russia. He recently went to Damascus and
26:55
Speaker 4: met with HTS and gave a rather bombastic interview to
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Speaker 4: an outlet called The National where he said, well, you know,
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Speaker 4: the Syrians that I know say that these guys are
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Speaker 4: the real deal, and Britain is uniquely placed to make
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Speaker 4: a real difference in post Assad Syria, and we can
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Speaker 4: give them advice.
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Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back. Sorry for the technical problem that knocked
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Speaker 2: aside for a couple of minutes. Kent, let's come back
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Speaker 2: to you. You were just starting to talk about mister
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Speaker 2: Bretton Gordon.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well no, I was saying that. I mean, how
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Speaker 4: mister Bretton Gordon he was heavily involved in regime change
27:34
Speaker 4: operations and was, among other things, smuggling soil samples out
27:40
Speaker 4: of Syria to prove that Assad's forces employed chemical weapons.
27:44
Speaker 4: It is clear from mainstream media reporting on these operations
27:48
Speaker 4: that the purpose was to trigger something like either the
27:51
Speaker 4: destruction of Libya, you know, like a saturation bombing campaign
27:55
Speaker 4: or even Iraq style all out invasion. They didn't succeed
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Speaker 4: in that. There is a number of other British intelligence
28:04
Speaker 4: cutouts that I mean. I've reported extensively on the operations
28:07
Speaker 4: of ARC, which is run by a veteran MI six
28:11
Speaker 4: officer called Alistair Harris, and it's quite clear from leaked
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Speaker 4: their leaked internal files that they were preparing in twenty
28:19
Speaker 4: thirteen for a major escalation and intervention by the US,
28:24
Speaker 4: which never materialized. But their covert operations and their their
28:31
Speaker 4: creation of bogus humanitarian groups like the White Helmets, you know,
28:36
Speaker 4: that endured and they endure to this day, so they
28:39
Speaker 4: might not have that. Britain might not have gotten the
28:42
Speaker 4: intervention it hoped for, But its hand pit puppets are
28:45
Speaker 4: now in power in Damascus. Their hold on power is questionable.
28:52
Speaker 4: We had Marco Rubio saying the country could descend into
28:55
Speaker 4: civil war, which is, you know, a certainly ssibility given
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Speaker 4: that the central government does not have popular legitimacy. Yolani
29:05
Speaker 4: was a largely unknown figure in Syria before taking power.
29:10
Speaker 4: You still have elements of Syrian society, including people who
29:14
Speaker 4: are armed, who remain loyal to Assad and Bathism. You
29:20
Speaker 4: have the Kurds who want to carve out their own
29:23
Speaker 4: state in oh God sorry Java Rajava, Yeah, which is
29:32
Speaker 4: you know, a key kind of CIA m I six
29:35
Speaker 4: base of operations in the region, so you know, and
29:38
Speaker 4: then you have Turkey wants to chip away at Syrian territory.
29:43
Speaker 4: Israel wants a chunk of the gold and heights, if
29:45
Speaker 4: not more. They Israel are worried about other powers encroaching
29:52
Speaker 4: on this to the extent that they It's been reported
29:55
Speaker 4: that they've asked US officials to to implore the Russians
29:59
Speaker 4: not to leave because they think that might affect the
30:03
Speaker 4: balance of power. So it's quite a mess that they've
30:06
Speaker 4: created for themselves. But you know, and you know, as
30:11
Speaker 4: in the meantime, British officials and meeting with high ranking
30:14
Speaker 4: HTS officials, which even the British media admits is completely
30:18
Speaker 4: illegal on the British law because they're a prescribed terrorist group.
30:22
Speaker 4: But you know, such as the topsy turvy world that
30:24
Speaker 4: we live in then not going to be prosecuted, whereas
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Speaker 4: people wearing Palestine solidarity badges.
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Speaker 3: Are yes, indeed, well I think it just goes to
30:34
Speaker 3: show Mike, you know, the level of this is another
30:36
Speaker 3: level of soft power? Is this really weaponized levels of
30:40
Speaker 3: subterfusion soft power? And what Kit is outlined in his
30:44
Speaker 3: article is a fantastic details and great research, great reading,
30:48
Speaker 3: great journalism. Kit Klarenberg, editor of The grey Zone UK,
30:53
Speaker 3: is also publishing at sub Stack as well as on
30:56
Speaker 3: mint Press News. He writes for a number of different
30:59
Speaker 3: outlets as well, all excellent outlets. Kit, thank you very
31:03
Speaker 3: much for joining us on the UK column.
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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, Kit, thank you very much.
31:09
Speaker 2: And all those links to Kit's work will be in
31:11
Speaker 2: the show notes of course on the UK column website,
31:13
Speaker 2: so look there for them.
31:16
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kit.
31:16
Speaker 2: Now let's move on Mark to you and the situation
31:21
Speaker 2: with tariffs and Trump and well, the Bank of England
31:24
Speaker 2: has been making some comments about this.
31:29
Speaker 6: Indeed, Yeah, Andrew Bailey, the Governor of the Bank of England.
31:33
Speaker 6: A lot of things happened on the third of June.
31:35
Speaker 6: By the way, there was the Bank of England monetary
31:38
Speaker 6: policy report to a Parliamentary committee in the UK that day,
31:42
Speaker 6: and around that same time the Organization for Economic Cooperation
31:46
Speaker 6: and Development issue to report. Anyway, Andrew Bailey had a
31:50
Speaker 6: number of things to say. What's interesting is that he's
31:53
Speaker 6: not the only one saying that whatever the discomfort and
31:57
Speaker 6: disruption that Trump's tariffs and trade policy may be playing,
32:01
Speaker 6: whatever the pros and cons may be, there is a
32:04
Speaker 6: disruption in the post World War two rules based world
32:08
Speaker 6: order that was created to a large extent at Breton Woods,
32:11
Speaker 6: as we know, that created the International Monetary Fund, the
32:14
Speaker 6: World Bank, and the GAT that became the WTO. So
32:18
Speaker 6: that is the globalist one world order system that a
32:21
Speaker 6: lot of the globalists, including mister Bailey, are worried about.
32:24
Speaker 6: Now we have some quotes from him taken from his testimony.
32:28
Speaker 6: The overall picture on trade now, I'm afraid, he said,
32:32
Speaker 6: is one where the rules based system is sort of dead,
32:36
Speaker 6: a rather dramatic statement. He continued, that has very serious
32:41
Speaker 6: consequences for the global economy. So there's a lot of
32:46
Speaker 6: worry here that that system that was so carefully put
32:49
Speaker 6: into place after World War Two is beginning to seriously erode.
32:54
Speaker 6: And again, that is the globalist system that many analysts
32:58
Speaker 6: in the alternative media have been very critic glove over
33:00
Speaker 6: the recent decades. Anyway, he also had this to say,
33:05
Speaker 6: the system, the post World War two rules based multilateral
33:08
Speaker 6: trade system based on gat wto has now really been
33:13
Speaker 6: blown up to a considerable degree by all of this
33:17
Speaker 6: repeating that has now been really blown up to a
33:20
Speaker 6: considerable degree by all of this blown up or pretty
33:23
Speaker 6: dramatic words. Maybe he's engaging in a little hyperbole just
33:27
Speaker 6: to dramatize his points, but it's all very interesting. He
33:31
Speaker 6: gave some other sundry remarks to the committee on interest
33:34
Speaker 6: rates that are rather dry. We could maybe look at
33:37
Speaker 6: those another time. It's kind of like listening to the
33:39
Speaker 6: Federal Reserve testimony to Congress. It is a cure for insomnia.
33:44
Speaker 6: But mister Bailey went on and had one more thing
33:46
Speaker 6: to say to kind of round out his comments that
33:49
Speaker 6: focused those comments that focused on trade and tariffs and Trump.
33:53
Speaker 6: Not all of it was about that, of course, but
33:56
Speaker 6: he said, we can't say the US administration is just
33:59
Speaker 6: raw headed. There are things that have gone on in
34:02
Speaker 6: this whole trade picture which I think do point to
34:05
Speaker 6: the stress that that system has been under. And he
34:08
Speaker 6: did acknowledge that the rules based system has a number
34:12
Speaker 6: of flaws. He pledged to fix those flaws. He doesn't
34:17
Speaker 6: want to abandon the system. No good globalists would want
34:20
Speaker 6: to do that. He said also we have to come
34:23
Speaker 6: back to the international table. Yes, the system has problems.
34:28
Speaker 6: If we abandon it, however, we'll be living in a
34:31
Speaker 6: much more difficult world in his point of view. So
34:35
Speaker 6: those are the core things that he had to say, gentlemen.
34:39
Speaker 6: The committee, of course, asked him a lot of pretty
34:41
Speaker 6: good questions. It's a rather long thing. We'll have the
34:45
Speaker 6: links to anyone that wants to watch the whole interview.
34:47
Speaker 6: We'll have the links in the show notes. Now, as
34:50
Speaker 6: I mentioned, the OECD brought out right around the same time.
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Speaker 6: It's Economic Outlook. It's a very long tome printed page wise,
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Speaker 6: it's over two hundred pages. So I relied mostly on
35:04
Speaker 6: a basic summary of it, and that summary, I believe
35:08
Speaker 6: is reflected in the next slide. This is the headline
35:12
Speaker 6: to the summary, Global Economic Outlook shifts as trade policy uncertainty,
35:17
Speaker 6: weekends growth also on the third of June from the OECD,
35:21
Speaker 6: and among other things, I scribbled down some things here.
35:24
Speaker 6: The outlook projects global growth slowing. That's global growth from
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Speaker 6: three point three percent going on, you know, starting from
35:33
Speaker 6: last year as a baseline, to two point nine percent
35:37
Speaker 6: in both this year twenty twenty five and next year.
35:40
Speaker 6: The slowdown is expected to be the most concentrated in
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Speaker 6: the US, Canada, Mexico and China. And then it went
35:47
Speaker 6: on to say that GDP growth in the US is
35:50
Speaker 6: projected to decline from two point eight percent to one
35:54
Speaker 6: point six percent and then another one point five percent
35:58
Speaker 6: decline in twenty twenty six. How realistic those figures are?
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Speaker 6: I tend to doubt them a little bit on that one.
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Speaker 1: It went on to.
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Speaker 6: Say, THEEC the summary of its large report that governments
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Speaker 6: need to engage with each other to address any issues
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Speaker 6: in the global trading system positively and constructively through dialogue,
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Speaker 6: keeping markets open and preserving what they call the economic
36:23
Speaker 6: benefits of the rules based global trade for competition, innovation, productivity,
36:27
Speaker 6: et cetera. And thisay see. The outlook goes on to say,
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Speaker 6: it highlights a range of risks that is, starting with
36:34
Speaker 6: the concern that further trade fragmentation as they call it,
36:38
Speaker 6: including new terrifys and retaliatory actions, could intensify the global
36:43
Speaker 6: the growth slowdown and trigger significant disruptions in the global
36:47
Speaker 6: supply chain. Of course, the length of the supply chains
36:52
Speaker 6: under the globalist system that has been set up, the
36:54
Speaker 6: very idea, the very structure that is of them and
36:58
Speaker 6: how long they are makes them inherently vulnerable. We found
37:01
Speaker 6: that out during the Covidocracy that the longer the supply
37:05
Speaker 6: chains and the more complex everything is, it works in
37:09
Speaker 6: a lot of ways, but that also makes it highly vulnerable.
37:12
Speaker 6: So Trump may be thinking that a more nationalistic approach,
37:15
Speaker 6: where you bring more manufacturing home, if tariffs are used
37:19
Speaker 6: correctly that is, would shorten supply change and over time
37:23
Speaker 6: raise national income, more jobs, and lower the vulnerability of
37:28
Speaker 6: the overall system. But of course it takes a lot
37:31
Speaker 6: of effort and a bumpy road to get there. But anyway,
37:35
Speaker 6: I also noted, and I just found this last night,
37:38
Speaker 6: there's an article on the UK column website Tariffs, Trade
37:42
Speaker 6: or Structural Change, and this is very very well done.
37:46
Speaker 6: I read through most of it and it really gives
37:48
Speaker 6: a good balanced view of the pros and cons of
37:51
Speaker 6: the current trade policy of the US and across the
37:54
Speaker 6: world taking a look at tariffs. It does make the
37:57
Speaker 6: important note that oftentimes the world system, the trade system,
38:03
Speaker 6: has been seen as sort of an economic religion of sorts,
38:08
Speaker 6: that you need a lot of faith to believe in
38:10
Speaker 6: it for it to work, and that national economies have
38:14
Speaker 6: been sacrificed at the altar of the globalist free trade system.
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Speaker 6: That's reflected in this article. That's a point of view
38:21
Speaker 6: I've often heard looking at this issue over the years.
38:25
Speaker 6: But at any rate, the OECD and the Governor of
38:28
Speaker 6: the Bank of England do make some salient points. But
38:31
Speaker 6: you know, we have to look at whether Trump's policies
38:36
Speaker 6: will erode a global system that many of us have
38:39
Speaker 6: been critical of and maybe point us in a different
38:43
Speaker 6: direction and a better one eventually. And I'm not wearing
38:46
Speaker 6: rose colored glasses when I say this, or they may
38:49
Speaker 6: be more correct than I realize, and perhaps Trump is
38:52
Speaker 6: doing the right thing in the wrong way. There's a
38:55
Speaker 6: lot you could unpack in such complex trade systems. Again,
38:59
Speaker 6: the oec any reports over two hundred pages. I'll probably
39:02
Speaker 6: look into it more in a couple of weeks as
39:04
Speaker 6: I read through it more. But those are the key
39:06
Speaker 6: highlights right now, as Builderberg approaches and the G seven
39:10
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Speaker 2: let's move on then to censorship and offcom and so on.
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Speaker 2: And on Wednesday this week, OFCOM held a day long
42:20
Speaker 2: seminar to explain the regulations which platforms are going to
42:23
Speaker 2: have to comply with in order to meet their obligations
42:26
Speaker 2: under the Online Safety Act for the so called protection
42:29
Speaker 2: of children. I'll explain why I say so called. In
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Speaker 2: a second, OFCOM refused to give any specific guidance on
42:36
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42:40
Speaker 2: They said that this is on the basis that if
42:42
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42:45
Speaker 2: take enforcement action later on. So it's up to the
42:48
Speaker 2: platforms to interpret the extremely complex and vaguely defined requirements
42:54
Speaker 2: and to oppose a regime which OFCOM will find acceptable.
42:58
Speaker 2: I have to say it was pretty clear from the
43:00
Speaker 2: Q and A sessions that some of the pretty big
43:03
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43:07
Speaker 2: whole thing. So I would suggest that the inevitable icon
43:11
Speaker 2: of this is that platforms will air on the side
43:14
Speaker 2: of caution and bearing that's particularly bearing in mind the
43:17
Speaker 2: potential penalties. Now, many will say that this is good
43:20
Speaker 2: children should be protected, and of course the second part
43:23
Speaker 2: of that is true, but the way this is being
43:26
Speaker 2: done won't protect children, and we'll discuss that in a minute. Instead,
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Speaker 2: it's going to result in many more topic areas following
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Speaker 2: below the censorship threshold. Now, let's just have a look
43:37
Speaker 2: at the main categories of content which OFCOM says children
43:40
Speaker 2: should not be exposed to. The first is what they
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Speaker 2: call primary Priority content or PPC, and this includes content
43:48
Speaker 2: related to suicide, self harm, eating disorders, pornography, and OFCOM
43:52
Speaker 2: says that children should be blocked from seeing any of
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Speaker 2: this content. The second is what they're calling priority content,
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Speaker 2: and that includes content which they call abuse and hit,
44:05
Speaker 2: what are undefined bullying and violent content, and content related
44:10
Speaker 2: to harmful substances and dangerous stunts, and then they have
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Speaker 2: what they call non designated content. This is just a
44:20
Speaker 2: fantastic term because they define non designated content is content
44:25
Speaker 2: that isn't considered primary content or priority content. It still
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Speaker 2: presents quote a material risk of significant harm to an
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Speaker 2: appreciable number of children in the UK, in other words,
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Speaker 2: everything else, because it's it's not defined any better than that.
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Speaker 2: It's basically, if it's not the first category, it's not
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Speaker 2: the second category, then it's this.
44:44
Speaker 1: So no definition of any meaningful kind.
44:48
Speaker 2: So, unsurprisingly, the main that technique that OFCOM, or at
44:53
Speaker 2: least unsurprisingly if you've been paying attention to the UK
44:56
Speaker 2: call them anyway. The main technique that OFCOM is putting
44:58
Speaker 2: forward for preventing children a assessing these types of content
45:01
Speaker 2: is what they call highly effective age assurance. The types
45:05
Speaker 2: of technologies would say consider highly effective are listed on
45:08
Speaker 2: the right hand side of the slide here. So we've
45:09
Speaker 2: got credit card checks, open banking, which allows consumers and
45:13
Speaker 2: businesses to securely share the financial data with third party
45:17
Speaker 2: service providers through what through an application programming interface, photo
45:22
Speaker 2: ID matching, facial age estimation, mobile network operator age checks,
45:27
Speaker 2: digital ideas another option, and email based edge estimations. These
45:31
Speaker 2: are all the options that they seem to be putting
45:34
Speaker 2: on the table at the moment as being services or
45:39
Speaker 2: systems that they would find acceptable for age verification. They
45:42
Speaker 2: say that this age verification will need to take place
45:45
Speaker 2: within the remit of the Data Protection Act, But of
45:48
Speaker 2: course the data protection regime is about to be massively
45:50
Speaker 2: relaxed with new legislation that's on its way through Parliament
45:55
Speaker 2: at the moment. So all the focus from OFFCOM wasn't
45:58
Speaker 2: verifying that someone is over the age of it. Sorry,
46:02
Speaker 2: it's verifying that someone is over the age of eighteen
46:05
Speaker 2: if they want to access certain content. At no point
46:07
Speaker 2: did they comment on any requirement to make sure that
46:10
Speaker 2: someone was under the age of eighteen for access to
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Speaker 2: a site which is aimed specifically at children, And that
46:16
Speaker 2: seemed like a pretty serious item missing there. And just
46:21
Speaker 2: one final point on this, OFCOM began the day with
46:25
Speaker 2: a little propaganda video, So let's just have a look
46:27
Speaker 2: at it.
46:36
Speaker 4: My son's into gaming and football, so why are you
46:38
Speaker 4: showing him content that tells him to hate and mystery women?
46:42
Speaker 6: When my little boy is see home are streamers asking
46:46
Speaker 6: him we talk was photos?
46:49
Speaker 4: Why did you let people share new to my fourteen
46:53
Speaker 4: year old daughter. What if it was your daughter?
46:58
Speaker 1: Why has my daughter being targeted with clips of kids
47:01
Speaker 1: in our area being violently attacked?
47:05
Speaker 4: Why are you allowing your platform to be a playground
47:09
Speaker 4: for pedophiles to greet children.
47:12
Speaker 3: My teenage daughter's hair fell out because she was bullied
47:16
Speaker 3: on your platform.
47:17
Speaker 4: How can you let dealers put drugs to my fourteen
47:20
Speaker 4: year old on your story? How can you let my
47:22
Speaker 4: child that is fourteen years old you see full course
47:25
Speaker 4: of child pornography? Are you allowing them supposed to suicide?
47:30
Speaker 3: What similar to do.
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Speaker 6: So?
47:50
Speaker 2: At no point in the discussion was there any suggests
47:53
Speaker 2: that that parents might have her role on keeping their
47:55
Speaker 2: children safe. If there's nothing about the tool, about any
47:58
Speaker 2: kinds of tools to nibble, PA wants to make decisions
48:01
Speaker 2: about what is or what is not appropriate content for
48:03
Speaker 2: their children to see. It's just about making moving these
48:06
Speaker 2: decisions to the platforms and to imposing some kind of
48:11
Speaker 2: digital ID. So this isn't about keeping children see if
48:15
Speaker 2: it's only about normalizing state enabled content control and digital identity.
48:19
Speaker 2: That's the argument that I'm putting forward here. Anyway, I
48:23
Speaker 2: don't know if you've got any thoughts.
48:24
Speaker 3: On this, Patrick, Well, you're just making Mike, I think,
48:26
Speaker 3: a classic utilitarian argument. If the problem is, you know,
48:30
Speaker 3: all of these so called risks to children and so forth,
48:33
Speaker 3: how can you impose a broad censorship regime that covers
48:37
Speaker 3: adults in order to allegedly protect children. It doesn't even
48:41
Speaker 3: stand up to basic common sense from a classic English
48:45
Speaker 3: liberal argument. And that's how our whole legal system has
48:48
Speaker 3: been built on top of. So why not let's say
48:52
Speaker 3: I got a radical idea, why not restrict access to
48:56
Speaker 3: smartphones for children below the age of fifty. If this
49:00
Speaker 3: is going to be a big problem, can't you give
49:02
Speaker 3: them a Nokia banana and be done with it? And
49:05
Speaker 3: when they get at home, the parents can be responsible
49:08
Speaker 3: while they're at home under parental supervision. There is no
49:12
Speaker 3: perfect system. Children will get drugs pushed on them on
49:17
Speaker 3: their way to school, in school, in the bathrooms at school. Okay,
49:21
Speaker 3: and then what should we shut the school down? Should
49:23
Speaker 3: we take this? Should we shut the schools down and
49:25
Speaker 3: have the kids homeschooled or in some kind of six
49:29
Speaker 3: foot by six foot government kind of sell to learn
49:32
Speaker 3: or something. It's ridiculous once you go down this road.
49:35
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I mean, you know, the fight between YouTube
49:38
Speaker 2: and the YouTube download applications, the fight between the big
49:43
Speaker 2: corporate media companies and parasy demonstrates these types of approaches
49:49
Speaker 2: don't work. They never have worked in the past, and
49:51
Speaker 2: they're not going to work in the future. But in
49:53
Speaker 2: a related topic, then a week or two ago, Patrick,
49:56
Speaker 2: you were talking about the Amnesty Media Awards.
49:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, the MC medi Awards, and if you remember that story,
50:03
Speaker 3: here will bring that up on screen. We were recommending
50:05
Speaker 3: that everyone vote for Jonathan Cook because we believed he
50:07
Speaker 3: was the most true independent journalist here. Well, they announced
50:11
Speaker 3: the awards. Unfortunately Jonathan Cook did not win, but it's
50:15
Speaker 3: been awards been given to people's choice for UK journalism
50:18
Speaker 3: has been given to Owen Jones here. So that's up
50:22
Speaker 3: on Amnesty's website. Not our first choice, not our second
50:26
Speaker 3: or third either. But Jonathan Cook actually weighed in on
50:30
Speaker 3: this and I thought we'd just show this up on
50:32
Speaker 3: screen as well. And here he is. He actually attended
50:35
Speaker 3: the awards because he was one of the nominees in London.
50:38
Speaker 3: Here I assume he says many thanks to all of
50:41
Speaker 3: you supported my nomination at Amnesty, and he goes on
50:45
Speaker 3: here and this just shows you what a class act
50:48
Speaker 3: Jonathan Cook is. And this is what he said. I
50:50
Speaker 3: took with me to the ceremony the investigative journalist ASA
50:53
Speaker 3: win Stanley ASA win Stanley, electronic and defader had I
50:57
Speaker 3: won and had a chance to make an acceptance speech.
51:01
Speaker 3: I wanted to highlight his case. He, along with other
51:04
Speaker 3: independent journalists, including Kit claren Burg who he had on
51:07
Speaker 3: the program earlier, have been targeted for a persecution by
51:11
Speaker 3: the police, doubtless under political direction for his work on Gaza,
51:17
Speaker 3: and he continues. Just rounding this off, the police have
51:20
Speaker 3: been using the most expansive interpretation possible of the UK's
51:24
Speaker 3: draconian terrorism laws. Last month, the courts ruled that the
51:27
Speaker 3: police had illegally seized his electronic devices he's talking about
51:31
Speaker 3: ASO win Stanley just there on the left hand side. Incredibly,
51:34
Speaker 3: no media outlet in the UK has thought it worth
51:38
Speaker 3: reporting either the dawn raid on his home last year
51:42
Speaker 3: or the court's subsequent findings of the lawbreaking by police
51:46
Speaker 3: and seizing electronic devices of an accredited journalist. So Jonathan
51:51
Speaker 3: Cook's going to use his platform if he won the
51:54
Speaker 3: award to campaign and support another journalist. I mean that
52:00
Speaker 3: approves that he deserved the award more than anybody. I mean,
52:03
Speaker 3: a real class act. And I also want top point
52:05
Speaker 3: people again to Jonathan's sub stack here. This is actually
52:09
Speaker 3: a fantastic story. Why is the UK sheltering Israel's genocide?
52:14
Speaker 3: Inciting ambassador? And there she is Zippy Hotoovi who got
52:20
Speaker 3: absolutely lam based it on a number of talk shows.
52:23
Speaker 3: I think she was even on Piers Morgan, but terrible,
52:27
Speaker 3: terrible reputation. She's really made a fool out of herself
52:31
Speaker 3: in front of the global media and you know, has
52:33
Speaker 3: proven to be a very unsavory individual. So this is
52:36
Speaker 3: a great piece by Cook here. And you know, where
52:39
Speaker 3: is the UK government on some of these individuals making
52:42
Speaker 3: these public genocidal statements, these Israeli officials. It's just incredible.
52:47
Speaker 3: Since when is this acceptable and is there going to
52:50
Speaker 3: be any recourse for it? Meanwhile, they're just arresting journalists
52:54
Speaker 3: under the ever expansive elastic interpretation of the terrorism.
53:02
Speaker 2: It is quite a hypocritical situation. And you know, Mark
53:05
Speaker 2: was talking about trade and the situation with the so
53:10
Speaker 2: called rules based international order. It seems to be a
53:14
Speaker 2: big part of the reason that the so called rules
53:16
Speaker 2: based international order is collapsing, is because the proponents of that,
53:21
Speaker 2: the West, are increasingly just abandoning their own rules.
53:25
Speaker 3: Well it's not just that, it's also because they've abandoned
53:28
Speaker 3: actual international law and actual justice. The whole idea of
53:33
Speaker 3: the rules based international order was to supplant actual international law.
53:38
Speaker 3: So the superpowers decided, the United States being the lead,
53:41
Speaker 3: that they no longer had to comply with international law.
53:44
Speaker 3: And as soon as they established that president, all the
53:47
Speaker 3: other countries, Britain and all the others basically piled in
53:50
Speaker 3: behind them. And then basically then they lost their rules
53:54
Speaker 3: based order as well as the international legal system.
53:57
Speaker 1: So it all went to pot.
53:58
Speaker 2: Basically, Mark, you know a couple of the Bostons of
54:02
Speaker 2: the rules based international order. Well, let's start with one
54:05
Speaker 2: of them, the G seven. They are meeting soon.
54:10
Speaker 6: Indeed, gentlemen, as we know, the G seven tends to
54:13
Speaker 6: kind of orbit around Builderberg. It kind of com mingles
54:16
Speaker 6: timing wise, oftentimes each year with Bilderberg. This time, as
54:21
Speaker 6: this title page from the G seven website shows, they're
54:26
Speaker 6: going to meet in Kenanascus, Alberta, Canada, June fifteen through seventeen.
54:32
Speaker 6: Bilderberg meeting June twelveth through fifteen, so they're, you know,
54:36
Speaker 6: kind of contiguous with one another. And I did a
54:39
Speaker 6: little reading up on the G seven. Of course, Trump's
54:42
Speaker 6: trade policies are going to be probably front and center,
54:46
Speaker 6: and I think they'll definitely be at Bilderberg because Bilderberg, well,
54:50
Speaker 6: they'll release a topics list, but they discuss things beyond
54:53
Speaker 6: that official list, as we know, but I would think
54:56
Speaker 6: it would make the official list. But at the G
54:58
Speaker 6: seven is the host nation. As we know, there was
55:02
Speaker 6: a meeting of the G seven finance ministers and central
55:05
Speaker 6: bank governors already preceding this leader's summit coming up in Canada,
55:11
Speaker 6: and at that preliminary meeting, there were concerns among many members,
55:15
Speaker 6: like Japan's central bank chief, that the potential effects of
55:19
Speaker 6: Trump sweeping tariffs and the continuing economic uncertainty they create
55:24
Speaker 6: could be a very big problem from their point of view.
55:27
Speaker 6: So at any rate, it's going to be a major topic, unavoidably.
55:32
Speaker 6: This is just from the Builderberg website itself, the official
55:36
Speaker 6: Builderberg website, Thebilderberg Meetings dot org, and I just put
55:41
Speaker 6: a notation in there. It'll be the seventy first meeting
55:43
Speaker 6: in seventy one years, taking place of course, at the
55:46
Speaker 6: Wallenberg Families pash Grand Hotel twelfth through the fifteenth of
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Speaker 6: June in Stockholm, Sweden. I managed to get those dates
55:53
Speaker 6: even though Bilderberg hasn't announced them. It'll be the fifth
55:56
Speaker 6: meeting in Sweden. They've met there in sixty two, seventy three,
55:59
Speaker 6: eighty four, two thousand and one and now. And the
56:02
Speaker 6: Trilateral Commission meeting that I covered last week in April
56:06
Speaker 6: in Washington gives us some idea along with the obvious
56:11
Speaker 6: name Trump's trade agenda, in terms of the upcoming Builderberg topics.
56:15
Speaker 6: Those Trilateral topics having been, among others, dramatic geopolitical shifts,
56:20
Speaker 6: a major reordering across the Middle East, tensions in North
56:24
Speaker 6: America that could very well be the border, as well
56:27
Speaker 6: as economic matters rising US China cooperation, the trilateral trilateralists
56:34
Speaker 6: are saying. And they also discussed a couple of other
56:37
Speaker 6: things in April that very well could show up at
56:39
Speaker 6: Bilderberg North America on the rocks, which is very similar
56:43
Speaker 6: to the other one I just mentioned, neurotechnologies and the
56:46
Speaker 6: battle for your brain. I've seen those kind of topics
56:50
Speaker 6: come up before at these high fallutant meetings. Also just
56:55
Speaker 6: to get an idea of the Bilderberg machinations. For the
56:58
Speaker 6: last two years, and this is one example, I've done
57:01
Speaker 6: pretty in depth articles on the co mingling of the
57:04
Speaker 6: Builderberg attendees and the deals they make and the way
57:08
Speaker 6: they intersect with one another. This is from just less
57:11
Speaker 6: than a year ago. Builderberg Beyond the Meetings, Part two.
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Speaker 6: The secretive gatherings are collusive conduit for an AI big
57:18
Speaker 6: media marriage. I did one the year before that, and
57:21
Speaker 6: I plan to do one this summer as well, fairly soon.
57:25
Speaker 6: To look beyond just the splash and the pan of
57:28
Speaker 6: the meetings and look at the in depth, take an
57:33
Speaker 6: in depth look at the topics that are raised and
57:35
Speaker 6: how they how they interact, and how the attendees interact
57:39
Speaker 6: with one another, the apparent deal making and where they're
57:42
Speaker 6: going with it, you know, what projected out and what
57:45
Speaker 6: they may be doing with it. So that's very important
57:47
Speaker 6: to do and so we'll you know, be covering that
57:51
Speaker 6: very shortly as these things transpire.
57:53
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark, Thank you.
57:54
Speaker 2: No, let's end the program perhaps with a little bit
57:58
Speaker 2: of comedy, Patrick, because well Elon and Donald seem to
58:03
Speaker 2: have fallen ot.
58:05
Speaker 3: It is comedy, but it's also kind of dead serious
58:07
Speaker 3: on another level, which we'll get into. But we'll bring
58:10
Speaker 3: this up on screen here. And I think it's pretty
58:13
Speaker 3: clear here. There is do the Doge Father and the
58:17
Speaker 3: forty seventh President, Donald Trump, and it looks looks like
58:21
Speaker 3: Mike the Honeymoon as well, and truly over it really is.
58:25
Speaker 3: It appears like that. Anyway, if they kiss and make
58:28
Speaker 3: up after this, I will be incredibly surprised and impressed.
58:32
Speaker 3: But this is basically we talked about this last week
58:35
Speaker 3: that Elon's sort of having you know, buyer's remorse on
58:39
Speaker 3: Doge and the Big Beautiful Bill. It's running a huge
58:44
Speaker 3: budget deficit and apparently Elon's taking huge umbrage to this here,
58:49
Speaker 3: and this is kind of escalated. We'll bring up some
58:51
Speaker 3: of the escalations. So this was basically what happened this morning.
58:56
Speaker 3: There is Elon Musk and so Ian my else Trong,
59:00
Speaker 3: who's like a surrogate on x of Musk said President
59:04
Speaker 3: versus Elon, who wins. My money's on Elon. Trump should
59:07
Speaker 3: be impeached and Jdvan should replace him. Yes, says Elon
59:11
Speaker 3: Musk so that was basically war. That's a declaration of
59:15
Speaker 3: war on the part of Musk. And we'll get into
59:18
Speaker 3: that little bit below that Elon basically said time bomb.
59:23
Speaker 3: Time to drop the big bomb. Donald Trump is in
59:26
Speaker 3: the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have
59:29
Speaker 3: not made the files public. Have a nice day, DJT,
59:33
Speaker 3: says Musk. So real heavy swipe at the president here,
59:39
Speaker 3: so you get an idea of the galactic fallout that
59:42
Speaker 3: you're witnessing right now. So not to be outdone, Trump
59:46
Speaker 3: is basically hit back at Musk. Elon was wearing thin.
59:50
Speaker 3: I asked him to leave. I took away his ev mandate,
59:53
Speaker 3: electric electric vehicle mandate that forced everyone to buy electric
59:57
Speaker 3: cars that nobody else wanted, that he knew four months
1:00:02
Speaker 3: I was going to do, and he just went crazy,
1:00:05
Speaker 3: claims Donald Trump. Turns out that's not actually true, but anyway,
1:00:08
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter with Trump. That's what he said, and
1:00:11
Speaker 3: he goes here, this is where things are getting actually
1:00:13
Speaker 3: pretty dice he mic and have huge implications. Trump says,
1:00:17
Speaker 3: the easiest way to save money in our budget, billions
1:00:19
Speaker 3: and billions of dollars, is to terminate Elon Musk's government subsidies.
1:00:24
Speaker 3: And contracts, including SpaceX. I was always surprised that Biden
1:00:29
Speaker 3: didn't do it, says Trump. So this is war talk,
1:00:32
Speaker 3: this is fighting talk here and so we go. So
1:00:36
Speaker 3: now here we go. Elon Musk replies quote tweets in
1:00:40
Speaker 3: light of the present statement about the cancelation of my
1:00:43
Speaker 3: government contract, SpaceX will begin decommissioning. It's Dragon spacecraft immediately.
1:00:49
Speaker 3: This is the new.
1:00:49
Speaker 1: Launch and that's massive because of course NASA relies on
1:00:54
Speaker 1: Dragon spacecraft to get people up and down the International
1:00:57
Speaker 1: Space Station and so long.
1:00:59
Speaker 3: Otherwise car without Dragon X, who does the taxi? Again,
1:01:04
Speaker 3: it's Russia, right right, Russia with the soyheads. They do
1:01:07
Speaker 3: the taxi back and forth to the International Space Station.
1:01:10
Speaker 3: So I guess you could call Putin. Trump could call
1:01:12
Speaker 3: Putin and have Vladimir take the astronauts like they did
1:01:16
Speaker 3: for decades before, not a Musk. So is that where
1:01:19
Speaker 3: we're heading here? And Elon comes back? Basically, yeah, that's
1:01:22
Speaker 3: the Epstein thing. Now, look on the Epstein files. We'll
1:01:25
Speaker 3: just say we know Trump's in the Epstein. Everyone knows
1:01:28
Speaker 3: Trump's in the Epstein files. He's in the flight logs.
1:01:30
Speaker 3: We've got video footage here. I think we'll bring up
1:01:33
Speaker 3: on screen. Yeah, I mean this is from nineteen ninety two.
1:01:37
Speaker 3: This is going on heavy rotation right now on US media.
1:01:40
Speaker 3: But it's Donald Trump partying it up at one of
1:01:43
Speaker 3: Jeff Epstein's soares at his mansion or I'm not sure
1:01:47
Speaker 3: where this particular one is, but you'll see Jeff Epstein
1:01:51
Speaker 3: appears in this archive footage of Trump and Epstein. So
1:01:56
Speaker 3: there is a relationship there. Although Trump denies having any
1:02:00
Speaker 3: you know, a serious relationship with Jeff Epstein, but he
1:02:02
Speaker 3: has been on the plane like seven times. We don't
1:02:04
Speaker 3: know if he's been to the Epstein's Love Island, but
1:02:08
Speaker 3: you know he does and has attended the parties there.
1:02:12
Speaker 3: There he is, there's Jeff in the background there in
1:02:15
Speaker 3: the sort of areas with Trump, that's Epstein. So I
1:02:18
Speaker 3: mean that's kind of where where things are at on this.
1:02:22
Speaker 3: So this has huge implications, Mike in terms of fallout.
1:02:26
Speaker 2: Okay, aside from SpaceX, the other question is about Starlink
1:02:31
Speaker 2: because Starlink has been absolutely key to the Ukraine conflict.
1:02:35
Speaker 2: And the question then is if they withdraw that contract,
1:02:38
Speaker 2: where does that leave Ukraine?
1:02:40
Speaker 3: Well, where does that leave Ukraine? Starlink has become a
1:02:42
Speaker 3: basically pivotal tool for Empire in all conflict zone Sudan,
1:02:48
Speaker 3: the Middle East, Yemen, all the subterfusion behind the lines, sabotage,
1:02:53
Speaker 3: it's all dependent on starlink. The entire Ukrainian Army, as
1:02:56
Speaker 3: Elon Musk himself is admitted, is based on starlink. So
1:03:00
Speaker 3: we'll take that footage off the screen for a moment, Mike,
1:03:03
Speaker 3: but it's all based on starlink. And this operation that
1:03:07
Speaker 3: we saw of these drone attacks by Ukraine with the
1:03:10
Speaker 3: help of Western intelligence, how did they do the link
1:03:13
Speaker 3: up on that? Was it starlink? We don't know. Is
1:03:15
Speaker 3: that classified? We're not sure. But these are dual use technologies.
1:03:19
Speaker 3: These satellite are rays, so this has huge implications. If
1:03:23
Speaker 3: they fall out, then you know, this is I think
1:03:27
Speaker 3: going to potentially hobble the Western imperial machinations as far
1:03:32
Speaker 3: as the US are concerned. And it might even open
1:03:35
Speaker 3: up the door for another competitor, or two or three competitors,
1:03:39
Speaker 3: or a Chinese competitor. So we'll see. But the fallout
1:03:43
Speaker 3: potential is massive on this. Not just the share price
1:03:47
Speaker 3: of Tesla which tanked. I heard it tanked last night
1:03:51
Speaker 3: and a whole bunch of other potential things. Trade is
1:03:53
Speaker 3: already being restricted. We've already got stagnation economically because of
1:03:57
Speaker 3: the teriff wars, and so this is isn't necessarily going
1:04:01
Speaker 3: to help either. So this is Clash of the Titans.
1:04:04
Speaker 3: We'll see how how many dead bodies end up on
1:04:08
Speaker 3: the pitch by Monday.
1:04:10
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, Okay, look we're going to have to leave
1:04:13
Speaker 2: it there for today. I'm going to say thank you
1:04:15
Speaker 2: very much to Mark, to Patrick, especially k Clarenberg for
1:04:19
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