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Bonus Episode: Gen X Actresses and Getting to Know You · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more disgrace Land in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast. It comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to gave from one full episode
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Speaker 1: of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into
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Speaker 1: the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: Winona Rider. We are previewing the coming episode on van Halen,
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Speaker 1: Part two on van Halen, actually talking about the Hollywood
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Speaker 1: Land a minute with Tim Allen, and we get into
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Speaker 1: your voicemails, text DMS emails and as always, a whole
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Speaker 1: lot of Rosie. Al Right, Discos, let's get into it
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Speaker 1: all right. This week's full episode of Disgraceland on Winona
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Speaker 1: Rider is hopefully unlike anyone on a writer's story that
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Speaker 1: you've heard before. I'd never heard it anyway before we
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Speaker 1: get into producing it. I'm talking more about Winona's drive
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Speaker 1: to solve a real life true crime more than I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about Winona being caught up in her own true crime.
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Speaker 1: Now that's if you count shoplifting as a true crime,
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Speaker 1: which I know is a stretch. Anyway, that aside this story,
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Speaker 1: like I said, we hope it's one that you haven't
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Speaker 1: heard about Winona before, and we hope you dig. Winona
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Speaker 1: is a tricky subject to cover. Incidentally, she's the last
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Speaker 1: non musician that we're covering in the disgrace Sand Feed,
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Speaker 1: and eventually Winona will take her rightful place in the
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Speaker 1: Hollywood Land Feed alongside all of the other non musicians
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Speaker 1: that we covered in this past year in our icon series,
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Speaker 1: and from now on, once again, Disgraceline will be one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent music. All right, But back to Winona Ryders.
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Speaker 1: She's she's interesting, of course, Okay interesting in this context.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying this because, like I said before, she's tough
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Speaker 1: to cover. She's an actress, yes, but she's also pretty
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Speaker 1: rock and roll and always has been. And we didn't
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Speaker 1: get into Winona's connection to music in this full episode
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Speaker 1: that we just released a couple of days ago, which
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Speaker 1: is kind of a miss on our part, but that's
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Speaker 1: what we have after parties for. So if you grew
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Speaker 1: up like I did in the nineteen eighties and in
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Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, and even if you grew up in
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Speaker 1: the odds as well, you know that Winona Ryder has
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Speaker 1: great taste in music. And you can tell this, of course,
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Speaker 1: not only from the t shirts that she wears, but
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Speaker 1: by the men that she has dated. I don't know
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Speaker 1: about you, guys, but I've never really dated anybody seriously
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Speaker 1: who had bad taste in music. I've dated a couple
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Speaker 1: of musicians to disastrous ends. I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend that.
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Speaker 1: Being a musician, I can say that, I think with
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Speaker 1: a little more full throatedness than others can. My wife, however,
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Speaker 1: and most of the women i've I've most of the
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Speaker 1: women I've dated, have had good music, good taste in music.
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Speaker 1: My wife has incredible taste in music. And she not
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Speaker 1: only has great taste, she has kind of this, uh,
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Speaker 1: which I love about her, this sort of fuck you
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Speaker 1: attitude about it, which if you don't like what I like,
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Speaker 1: I don't care, and I don't have to like everything
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Speaker 1: you like. I know that sounds obvious, but in a
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Speaker 1: lot of couple of dynamics that's not That's not the way.
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Speaker 1: And I really like being called out for instance, I've
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Speaker 1: said this before, my wife hates Pearl Jam. I don't
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Speaker 1: mind Pearl Jam despite the shit I give Pearl Jam
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Speaker 1: on this on the show, and she's constantly giving me
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Speaker 1: shit about it. She's constantly checking my my sort of
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Speaker 1: like Hipper than thou gen X attitude toward music that
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Speaker 1: I just give off without really trying. And she's you know,
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Speaker 1: she likes like three to eleven and doesn't care that.
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Speaker 1: I think that's the lamest thing in the world. A
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Speaker 1: LIT video will come on, She'll be like, fuck, yeah, Lit.
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Speaker 1: This reminds me of when I was young, which I
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Speaker 1: can't stand lit, but you know, she's into it. I
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Speaker 1: know I'm not selling her as having good taste, but
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying she has her own, her own north
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Speaker 1: Star when it comes to music, and she's turned me
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Speaker 1: on to plenty of great music. I say all this
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Speaker 1: because we could tell that Winona Ryder had great taste
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Speaker 1: in music growing up. And it wasn't, like I said,
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Speaker 1: just about the T shirts. It was about the men
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Speaker 1: that she dated. Of course, there was Johnny Depp, who,
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Speaker 1: in addition to being a great actor, is also a musician,
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Speaker 1: and I think he considers himself and always has first
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Speaker 1: and foremost a musician. We'll get into more of that
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Speaker 1: when we do the Johnny Depp episode of Hollywood Land.
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Speaker 1: That's end of the story. Winona, of course, in addition
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Speaker 1: to dating Johnny Depp, also dated Dave Perner from Soul Asylum.
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Speaker 1: She dated I didn't know this until recently. She dated
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Speaker 1: Paige Hamilton from Helmet. That's crazy to me, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: because Page just feels like such a regular, non Hollywood
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Speaker 1: type guy. Not that Dave Perner's Hollywood, but he was
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Speaker 1: a much bigger rockstar than Page Hamilton was. I guess
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Speaker 1: I love that Winoda dated Page Hamilton. She also dated
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Speaker 1: Beck and she dated Ryle o' kylie guitarist Blake Senate,
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Speaker 1: which makes sense to me now that I read this,
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Speaker 1: because the one and only time I saw one on
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Speaker 1: a writer in person, it was backstage at Ryle o'
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Speaker 1: kylie's last show at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles,
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Speaker 1: which I had the privilege of going to and somehow
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Speaker 1: getting backstage. I don't exactly remember how, but I was
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Speaker 1: totally starstruck when I saw Winona, which I don't usually get,
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Speaker 1: but I mean, such a huge part of my childhood.
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Speaker 1: Win on a Rider, man, gosh, just like oh, she
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Speaker 1: was the coolest, the absolute coolest, like sitting alone on
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Speaker 1: the mountaintop of cool coolness in the nineteen nineties. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: And I'm trying to think of what other young starlet.
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Speaker 1: I don't mean young like age wise, I mean youth culture.
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Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, when I say starlet, I like,
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Speaker 1: you know, Julia Roberts is a starlet. Nicole Kidman's a starlet.
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Speaker 1: But that's not what I mean. They're they're they're not
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Speaker 1: of this generation. They were of I guess the nineties
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Speaker 1: generation when Noona was. I can't come up they were
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Speaker 1: when Nicole Kidman and Julia Roberts were nowhere near as
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Speaker 1: cool as Went on a Rider. They had their attributes,
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Speaker 1: for sure, But who was as cool as Ona in
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Speaker 1: the nineties. I don't know, Drew Barrymore, I don't think so.
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Speaker 1: Win Ona had her own thing, her completely, completely, her
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Speaker 1: own thing. She was just totally symbolic of what it
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Speaker 1: meant to be cool in the nineties. I think I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't admit it, admitted that then that's how cool I was.
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Speaker 1: But now just Winoda looked at she talked it. She
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Speaker 1: clearly thought it. Based on our episode that we just
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Speaker 1: gave you, I had girlfriends. When I think about it,
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Speaker 1: I had girlfriends that were like Winona knockoffs. They did
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Speaker 1: their hair like Wanona, they dressed like Wanona. That's sort
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Speaker 1: of I'm not saying they copied Wenona's sense of humor,
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Speaker 1: that sly sense of humor, but that was the aesthetic
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Speaker 1: that was part of the cultural that was the cultural moment,
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Speaker 1: that was part of the mentality that we were all
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Speaker 1: going through in the middle of Generation X, as we
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Speaker 1: were consuming culture and trying to emulate it. I think
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Speaker 1: we overlook what I'm getting at here is I think
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Speaker 1: we overlook Winona Ryders' impact on culture beyond, of course,
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Speaker 1: the men she dated. That's not the point I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to make. I'm trying to make the point that she
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Speaker 1: wasn't dating no slubs. She was too cool for that.
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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to think of actresses from other eras
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Speaker 1: who represented their eras in the same way that Winona
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Speaker 1: did the nineties. Maybe Daryl Hannah in the nineteen eighties,
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Speaker 1: maybe Olivia Newton John in the seventies. You go back
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Speaker 1: further to the nineteen sixties, you start talking about Raquel
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Speaker 1: Welch and Bridget Bardow, and I don't know those those
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Speaker 1: actresses didn't seem to have a grip on culture in
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Speaker 1: the same way that Winona did. Cool rock Star Boyfriend's aside, again,
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Speaker 1: Winnona's nineteen nineties filmography is a murderer's row of cool
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Speaker 1: as just the coolest movie roles. I mean, come on,
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Speaker 1: Mermaids and Edward Scissorhands in nineteen ninety and yes, I
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Speaker 1: had the Mermaids soundtrack on cassette. Then you got Jim
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Speaker 1: Jermush's Night on Earth in ninety one. Martin scorsesees The
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Speaker 1: Age of Innocence in ninety one as well, which, okay,
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Speaker 1: you know, sure, I didn't see this until about two
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Speaker 1: years ago, but it's still Wanona with Martin Scorsese. Pretty
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Speaker 1: much right after Goodfellas, she did Dracula the Crucible, Woody
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Speaker 1: Allen's Celebrity, which is underrated, by the way, and uh
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Speaker 1: not one of my favorite movies, but I know people
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Speaker 1: love Girl Interrupted. And then I mean, at the end
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Speaker 1: of the eighties you have Heathers and Beetlejuice, which precedes
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Speaker 1: that incredible list. I just gave you. That's an amazing
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Speaker 1: run for any actor. It's incredible and no wonder we
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Speaker 1: were all smitten with Winona. Was there anyone cooler in
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Speaker 1: the nineties than Wanona? I don't know anyway, I hope
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Speaker 1: you dug the episode. Go check it out. It's the
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Speaker 1: one that comes just before this yere bonus episode, this
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Speaker 1: after party episode of Disgraceland. We had a rewind episode
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Speaker 1: coming up right afterwards. This week, we're going back to
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Speaker 1: the nineties again, the Notorious Big in our rewind slot.
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Speaker 1: It's a two parter and we programmed it here because
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Speaker 1: the Ditty trial is starting on May fifth. I think
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Speaker 1: that date is still going to hold. We shall see.
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Speaker 1: So if you want a primer on the special brand
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Speaker 1: of bad boy nineties madness, and you can't go wrong
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Speaker 1: with these Biggie Small's episodes, which essentially get into who
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Speaker 1: I think killed the Notorious Big, Christopher Wallace. I had
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Speaker 1: to be cagy about it in the episode. I couldn't
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Speaker 1: just come out outright and say it, you know. I
9:55
Speaker 1: hope someday we get to the truth of this. I
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Speaker 1: think it's crazy that we're not there yet. I have
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Speaker 1: this real kind of like low key burning yearning desire
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Speaker 1: to have these these these ditty revelations that I hope
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Speaker 1: are coming with this trial. I hope we get some
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Speaker 1: sort of insight into Biggie's death and into Tupac's death
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Speaker 1: as well. Not sure if that's going to happen, but
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Speaker 1: I am crossing my fingers. So check out the notorious
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Speaker 1: big episodes that are in the rewind spot. You will
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Speaker 1: not be disappointed. They're produced in a really great way,
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Speaker 1: and I think you're going to find it fascinating. If
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Speaker 1: you have questions on who killed Christopher Wallace, I want
10:33
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Speaker 1: after that on Tuesday, Next Tuesday, we've got our or
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Speaker 1: this next Tuesday coming Yeah, we've got our two part
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Speaker 1: episode on van Halen. Now you didn't expect us to
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Speaker 1: and did real on Eddie. Excuse me, but I want
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: Let's hear from Miguel in the eight one three.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Jake, what's up. It's Miguel of Tampa.
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Speaker 3: You're talking about bands that or people from bands that
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Speaker 3: went from one band to another and.
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Speaker 2: Had a better or at least impactful career with them both.
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Speaker 3: And one of the ones that I first think of
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Speaker 3: is Tim Armstrong and Matt Freeman from Operation IVY going
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Speaker 3: on to form Rampid, And like I said, I'm not
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Speaker 3: saying better but impactful still, So yeah, that's all I got,
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Speaker 3: all right, Jake?
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Speaker 1: Later mell Gael, you are so right on, man. I
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Speaker 1: can't believe I blew that one. I loved Operation IVY
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Speaker 1: growing up, had that cassette sound system. Gonna, what's you say,
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Speaker 1: scientist do won't end it? I can't remember. But Tim
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Speaker 1: Armstrong goes on to make Ranted after Operation IVY. Just incredible.
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's hear from Travis in the nine to Oh.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Jake, this is Travis from Cape Florol, Florida. Awesome
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Speaker 2: episode of Chris Cornell Sound Garden. So for your question,
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Speaker 2: I gotta say I am a huge, huge fan of Slash.
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Speaker 2: I might get a little bit of hate for this,
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Speaker 2: but now appetite for destruction, use your illusion. One two
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Speaker 2: of the best rock albums ever in my opinion. However,
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Speaker 2: Slash has done more on the collaboration end and the
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Speaker 2: solo end than he did with Guns n' Roses, and
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Speaker 2: he just put out some phenomenal, phenomenal stuff since he
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Speaker 2: left Guns and Elysis. Again. Might get a little heat
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Speaker 2: for that, but that's I'm sticking to it. A huge
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Speaker 2: fan of Slash, love your show, keep up the great work.
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Speaker 2: Rock roll Uh.
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Speaker 1: Love this take. I can't. I can't totally go there
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Speaker 1: with you on it, though, because nothing Slash did after
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Speaker 1: Guns and Roses was as culturally impactful as Guns of Roses.
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Speaker 1: Maybe Velvet Revolver, I guess comes the closest. And I understand.
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Speaker 1: I know his solo stuff is really good. I know
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Speaker 1: people love it, people freak out about it, So I
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Speaker 1: see where you're coming from, you know, It's just tough though.
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Speaker 1: It's tough to go all the way there with you
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Speaker 1: because of like I said, Guns and Roses were just
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know they were. They were just incredibly
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Speaker 1: important culturally in the in the nineties. They were just
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Speaker 1: the biggest band, biggest rock band around until Nirvana came.
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Speaker 1: And you know, one thing, it just reminded me of
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Speaker 1: the like we're talking about. We got this Van Hallin
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Speaker 1: episode coming up, and we're talking great guitarist Slash. I
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Speaker 1: don't feel like it's enough heat as the great guitarist
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Speaker 1: in the conversation with the greats. And maybe maybe some
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Speaker 1: guitar players out there have good reason for for not
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Speaker 1: thinking so. But I think Slash's style is pretty signature.
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Speaker 1: I think he's a beast of a guitar player. I
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Speaker 1: think he could play different styles if he cared to.
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Speaker 1: And Travis, you probably know better than most because you're
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Speaker 1: up on his solo stuff. He's just he's one of
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Speaker 1: those guys. Is he top four? Mount Rushmore? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Call me back, let me know what you think, all right,
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Speaker 1: Travis six one seven nine six six six three eight
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Speaker 1: voicemail and text five to three to oho Zach from
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Speaker 1: Sack Zach from Sack, I'm guessing that's Sacramento. Zach's writing
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Speaker 1: in as well about Tim Armstrong going on to be
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Speaker 1: an Operation ivy. I really left this one just I
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Speaker 1: left this one hanging out there, all right. Three h
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Speaker 1: two writes in in relation to her Win on a
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Speaker 1: Rider episode, Hey definitely Drew, Barrymore and Win on a
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Speaker 1: Rider over Heather Graham, Winoda and Drew have definitely outlasted Heather.
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Speaker 1: Where is Heather? Now? Where'd she go? Did you know
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Speaker 1: that she dated adam Ant for a while? Heather Graham?
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Speaker 1: Heather Graham dated adam Ant. That can't be true. Come on,
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Speaker 1: someone said I should do an adam An episode or
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Speaker 1: disgrace sand should I six one seven nine? I was
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Speaker 1: six six six three eight? Let me know, all right?
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Speaker 1: Doug writes in from the five to one three Jake
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Speaker 1: Doug from the five one three STP is great, not
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Speaker 1: a poser, not contrived. He died from heroin what's more?
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Speaker 1: Grunge on that note, maybe pro Jams is a contrived band.
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Speaker 1: I don't agree, but I love this logic. It's dark,
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Speaker 1: but I love it. Five one three goes on right
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Speaker 1: and Geese what do you hear that I don't? I
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Speaker 1: can tell this. I can tell this, dude, Doug is
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Speaker 1: being very very charitable to me right now. He's holding back.
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Speaker 1: He wants to kill me for liking Geese, and he's
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Speaker 1: being very polite. Doug. I appreciate, he says. And Geese question, Mark,
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Speaker 1: what do you hear that I don't? They opened for
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Speaker 1: GVF last year and they were the worst band I've
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Speaker 1: ever heard. Maybe they suck live and I need to
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Speaker 1: give them a second chance. Maybe I need to start
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Speaker 1: questioning your usually impeccable taste. Okay, first of all, they
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Speaker 1: could have sucked live. I don't. I don't. I don't
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Speaker 1: doubt that some bands have bad nights. Some bands it
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Speaker 1: takes them a long, long long time to become a
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Speaker 1: good live band. Now, I will tell you. I went
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Speaker 1: on YouTube prior to reading this a couple weeks ago,
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Speaker 1: as in a Geese hole, and I saw a lot
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Speaker 1: of bad live Geese. Okay, a lot of bad, like
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Speaker 1: embarrassingly bad. However, there is some great live Geese as well,
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Speaker 1: and it's clearly just a thing of them taking time
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Speaker 1: to get their live shit together. There's a rolling stone
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Speaker 1: studio like live in studio thing that Geese did where
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Speaker 1: they're just they're hitting on every level. Fantastic. Check that out.
18:53
Speaker 1: Maybe that'll change your mind. What I'm hearing that you
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Speaker 1: don't is the irreverence, the weirdness, the youth. It's all
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Speaker 1: fresh and exciting to me, and it is the perfect
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Speaker 1: meld of being steeped in rock and roll tradition but
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Speaker 1: not sounding like anything that I've heard before. So there
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Speaker 1: you go. I think I just salvaged my quote unquote
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Speaker 1: usually impeccable taste, Doug, I hope. So anyways, Oh and
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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing that you're not, I think is three
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Speaker 1: D Country, the twenty twenty three full length. Check that out, Doug,
19:27
Speaker 1: and listen to it from start to finish and let
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Speaker 1: me know what you think. All right, guys, real quick
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Speaker 1: before we move on to the next part of this
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Speaker 1: Afro party, I want to I want to let you
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Speaker 1: know this thing we just did. We had our representatives
19:38
Speaker 1: who work for us. They did a data analysis of
19:42
Speaker 1: our audience of you guys, and they largely went based
19:48
Speaker 1: on what they could learn from our social media following,
19:52
Speaker 1: and what they came back with I feel like was
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Speaker 1: kind of accurate, not as accurate as I would like
19:58
Speaker 1: it to be. But basically what they're saying is, you
20:01
Speaker 1: guys are mostly between the ages of twenty five and
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Speaker 1: fifty five. You skew slightly more female than male, more
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Speaker 1: of you are college educated than not. You make slightly
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Speaker 1: more money than most Americans do. You're and whatever. That
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Speaker 1: stuff is less interesting to me than the following you
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Speaker 1: are into. So they can they can gauge you know
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Speaker 1: what you're into for music and what you're into. You
20:32
Speaker 1: know what kind of celebrities you follow, what your general
20:35
Speaker 1: interests are.
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Speaker 4: And.
20:38
Speaker 1: So you guys are more than any other music. You're
20:41
Speaker 1: into alternative slash rock. Okay, and I guess that's just
20:45
Speaker 1: defined as however social media defines it celebrities that you're
20:50
Speaker 1: really into. Carrie Brownstein from Portlandia. Ryan Adams was another one.
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Speaker 1: The author Brad Meltzer, who I've never read before, So
21:01
Speaker 1: I found that to be interesting. You're heavily into tattoos,
21:05
Speaker 1: you like beer, and generally speaking, you're into Americana, So
21:11
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, maybe, sure, yeah, I get it. I
21:15
Speaker 1: see where they're coming from. But I talk to you
21:18
Speaker 1: guys every week. I hear from you here on voicemail
21:21
Speaker 1: and text, and I don't think this is totally accurate.
21:26
Speaker 1: If I had a guess, I would say that you
21:28
Speaker 1: are slightly more male than female. I think they nailed
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Speaker 1: the age, income, all that stuff. Top cities, however they mentioned,
21:37
Speaker 1: I should mention this are New York City, Los Angeles, Boston,
21:40
Speaker 1: Austin in that order, but I think that's just reflective
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Speaker 1: of how big those cities are compared to others. I
21:47
Speaker 1: know you guys are all over the place. I hear it.
21:49
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I was this texting with somebody from Oklahoma,
21:53
Speaker 1: another from Cape Coral, Florida. I know you're all over
21:55
Speaker 1: the place, but I'm more interested in, like the muse
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Speaker 1: side of things, the television and film side of things.
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Speaker 1: What you're into. I want to know what your interests are,
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Speaker 1: if you could be so kind. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: do a survey or anything like that, but just hit
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Speaker 1: me up six point seven nine O six sixty sixty
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Speaker 1: three and tell me about yourselves. Tell me what you're
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Speaker 1: into for music, and be general you don't be you
22:19
Speaker 1: don't have to be super specific about it. You can
22:21
Speaker 1: be general about it. You know, are you more into
22:23
Speaker 1: alternative than you are into classic rock. Are you more
22:26
Speaker 1: into punk than you are into alternative? Are you more
22:30
Speaker 1: whatever it is? There's no right or wrong answer. I
22:33
Speaker 1: think they're accurate. I think you guys are on the
22:36
Speaker 1: sort of gen X alternative slash classic rock with a
22:42
Speaker 1: heavy interest in punk. I think that's generally speaking, who
22:45
Speaker 1: you guys are. I think I think you pride yourself.
22:49
Speaker 1: There's no way to tell this, but I think you
22:51
Speaker 1: pride yourself on your knowledge of music history and culture
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Speaker 1: and celebrity history and culture. And I think you pride
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Speaker 1: yourself on knowing a little bit more than the average
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Speaker 1: bear when it comes to these topics, and you like
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Speaker 1: sharing these topics with other people, which tells me that
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Speaker 1: you're not only curious, you're also smart, which you know.
23:13
Speaker 1: Whether you're college educated or not, that doesn't matter. You're
23:17
Speaker 1: curious and smart. I know that about you, and no
23:21
Speaker 1: demographic testing machine is going to tell me otherwise, not
23:24
Speaker 1: that it is, but again, I want to know. I
23:27
Speaker 1: guess the question is this, what is your favorite style
23:30
Speaker 1: of music, who are your favorite artists, what are your
23:33
Speaker 1: favorite movies? Who are your favorite actors and actresses? And
23:37
Speaker 1: generally speaking, what are you into? Car shows? IPA's tattoos,
23:43
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. What's the big kind of general
23:46
Speaker 1: thing that you guys are into flea marketing and teeking.
23:49
Speaker 1: I don't think it's those things, but I'm throwing out
23:50
Speaker 1: some other examples. Hit me back and let me know
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Speaker 1: I'd really really appreciated six point seven nine h six
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Speaker 1: six six three eight, because the more I can nail
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Speaker 1: this down, the more I can figure out what to
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Speaker 1: give you guys for content. And we're trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out not only our programming slate for the rest of
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Speaker 1: this year and next year right now, I'm also which
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Speaker 1: is easier to do than this other thing I'm about
24:11
Speaker 1: to talk about. I'm also trying to figure out I've
24:13
Speaker 1: got some opportunities to do some big projects. I'm trying
24:15
Speaker 1: to figure out what I want to do and how
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Speaker 1: I want to do it in the next few years.
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Speaker 1: And having a better idea of who you guys are
24:22
Speaker 1: will help me make those decisions and help the rest
24:24
Speaker 1: of us here at Double Elvis as well. Plus it's
24:26
Speaker 1: just another way to get to know you guys, and
24:28
Speaker 1: that's always fun, all right. So six one seven nine
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Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight voicemail and text email
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Speaker 1: just graslimpod at gmail dot com. We want to do
24:35
Speaker 1: it that way and let me know what your favorite
24:37
Speaker 1: style of music is, who your favorite musicians are, what
24:42
Speaker 1: types of movies and actors and actresses you love, and
24:44
Speaker 1: generally speaking, what are you guys into Now? I know
24:48
Speaker 1: you're into Robin Williams because we got into our easter
24:51
Speaker 1: egg question last last week and I got so many
24:54
Speaker 1: responses from you guys. I'm going to play a voicemail
24:56
Speaker 1: response here with the answer because it came in quick,
24:59
Speaker 1: it came in fast. The question was what did Robin
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Speaker 1: Williams in our Hollywood Land episode. The easter egg was
25:09
Speaker 1: what did Robin Williams get from the prostitute when he
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Speaker 1: turned twenty one? And the answer comes from the five
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Speaker 1: seven three.
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Speaker 4: Hello to all of the good people at Disgraceland. I
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Speaker 4: was calling in reference to your Easter rag from the
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Speaker 4: Robin Williams episode that just had come out on Hollywood Land.
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Speaker 4: I do believe that the prostitute gave Robin Williams a refund,
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Speaker 4: a refund for his services. Yes, that's the correct answer.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for everything you guys love the show.
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Speaker 1: Yes, five seven three, you are correct. A refund is
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Speaker 1: the answer Robin Williams. That's what Rob Williams got from
25:48
Speaker 1: the prostitute when he turned twenty one. All right, so
25:51
Speaker 1: for the Easter Egg this week, guys, it's the Tim
25:53
Speaker 1: Allen episode of hollywood Land. The question is what football
25:56
Speaker 1: game did Tim Allen not go to? What football game
26:01
Speaker 1: did Tim Allen not go to? Head over to hollywood Land,
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Speaker 1: dive into that Tim Allen episode, find the answer. Hit
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Speaker 1: me at six month seven nine six six six three eight,
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Speaker 1: leave me a voicemail, send me a text with your answer,
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Speaker 1: or be the first to post on Instagram. When we
26:12
Speaker 1: pose this question again, the Easter egg answer is in
26:15
Speaker 1: the Tim Allen episode of hollywood Land. What football game
26:18
Speaker 1: did Tim Allen not go to? And if you have
26:21
Speaker 1: not heard this Tim Allen episode, you're going to want
26:25
Speaker 1: to It is not, I promise you, it is not
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Speaker 1: the Tim Allen that you think you know. Again the
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Speaker 1: Easter egg question what football game did Tim Allen not
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Speaker 1: go to? Which brings us nicely into our sports rant
26:38
Speaker 1: for this week. I'm a big baseball fan. You guys
26:42
Speaker 1: know this. I'm a big, big Red Sox fan. I'm
26:44
Speaker 1: more into the season this year than I've been in
26:47
Speaker 1: the past few seasons. I think it's partially because my kids.
26:49
Speaker 1: But anyways, we get the MLB app. That's where we
26:52
Speaker 1: watch our games. And I gotta say, the MLB app.
26:56
Speaker 1: If you guys, anyone has it, get in touch, let
26:58
Speaker 1: me know your experiences. But my experience is that the
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Speaker 1: MLB app is a piece of steaming hot garbage. It
27:04
Speaker 1: barely works when I wanted to work. It didn't work
27:07
Speaker 1: on Opening Day. How does that? I mean, come on
27:09
Speaker 1: opening day. I'm watching the game this weekend and I'm
27:14
Speaker 1: sitting there and the thing just it's constantly hung up.
27:17
Speaker 1: It's constantly loading and loading and loading and loading, and
27:21
Speaker 1: I cannot get what the hell. I restarted my Wi Fi.
27:24
Speaker 1: I did though, I closed the app. I logged in,
27:27
Speaker 1: I logged out. It's still loading and loading and loading
27:29
Speaker 1: and loading. Finally, I'm like, screw this. I put the
27:33
Speaker 1: game the audio on on the app on my phone,
27:36
Speaker 1: not as opposed to the video on the app of
27:38
Speaker 1: my television. I tune in and Jared Durant Steals Home,
27:42
Speaker 1: Steals Home, and I missed it. I missed it. I
27:47
Speaker 1: missed it. You know how often home plate is stolen?
27:52
Speaker 4: You know?
27:52
Speaker 1: I mean we've been waiting for Jared. I know he
27:54
Speaker 1: did it once, but it was a double steal. It
27:55
Speaker 1: doesn't count. This is a straight up guys pitching the
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Speaker 1: ball to home and Jared Durant takes off, beats the
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Speaker 1: throw and scores and I missed it because the freaking
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Speaker 1: MLB app man. Come on, It's gotta be a better way. Honestly,
28:11
Speaker 1: I think I should just go straight out of you.
28:13
Speaker 1: I think I should just I should listen to the
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Speaker 1: radio broadcast every night, and I should I should score
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Speaker 1: the game. I should get one of those baseball scoring pads,
28:22
Speaker 1: and I should sit in my chair, my old man chair,
28:24
Speaker 1: poor glass of bourbon, and that should be it. I
28:27
Speaker 1: should just give up on the video component. We have
28:29
Speaker 1: all this new digital media and ways to deliver it,
28:33
Speaker 1: and yet is it Are we a Are we better off?
28:37
Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyways, that's my sports rant. I want
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Speaker 1: you guys to feel my pain. That's why I'm giving
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Speaker 1: you this. Okay, I'll be back in the flash Hollywood
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Speaker 1: man a minute. Okay, we are back, and you know
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Speaker 1: what time it is. It's time the hollywoodlam min. It
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Speaker 1: a month earlier, Michigan state legislators had passed a new
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Speaker 1: law that made possession with intent to distribute over six
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty grams of cocaine or heroin punishable by
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Speaker 1: a mandatory life sentence no possibility of parole. The only
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Speaker 1: was murder. It was the toughest drug law in the
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Speaker 1: United States. Six hundred and fifty grams just under a
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Speaker 1: pound and a half. That was the exact amount that
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Speaker 1: Tim had in the Adidas gym bag that he brought
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Speaker 1: to the setup with the undercover cops at the Kalamazoo
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Speaker 1: County Airport, and now sitting on a cold metal bench
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Speaker 1: against the wall of a holding cell in jails, surrounded
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Speaker 1: by men who are far more grizzly and hardened than
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Speaker 1: he could ever be in his wildest dreams. Tim worried
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Speaker 1: he'd get busted again, and this time it would be
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Speaker 1: his head, his face, and Jesus Christ, maybe even worse.
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Speaker 1: He'd heard the stories about the inside what happens when
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Speaker 1: men do what they have to do simply to survive.
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Speaker 1: I fell in love. I really regret skipping this concert
31:35
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31:38
Speaker 1: I'm the biggest fan. They make excellent music. I think
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31:42
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31:55
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Speaker 1: covered previously in Disgraceland here in this episode. That's rare.
34:23
Speaker 1: It usually just comes up organically. So I'm gonna lay
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34:27
Speaker 1: mention enough. Okay, and the Matt's gonna have the links
34:31
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34:33
Speaker 1: can check them out. We did a two parter on
34:35
Speaker 1: Willie Nelson that I feel like we don't talk about enough.
34:38
Speaker 1: That's available for you. I know there's a lot of
34:40
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Speaker 1: Skip James one of the most incredible blues musicians of
34:54
Speaker 1: all time. If you like blues, if you're interested in
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Speaker 1: learning more about the blues, check out the Skip James episode.
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Speaker 1: It has one of the most painful, violent, excruciating scenes
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Speaker 1: we've ever depicted in any of our episodes is in
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Speaker 1: the Skip James episode. It's a real life thing that
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Speaker 1: happened to him. It's something that, for whatever reason, does
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Speaker 1: not get mentioned in the history of music. I don't
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Speaker 1: We have two Guns and Roses episodes as well. Those
35:28
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Speaker 1: three weeks on chart number four. Breathe Again Tony Braxton
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Speaker 1: last a peak position three weeks on chart number five.
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Speaker 1: What a Man Salt Peppa featuring en Vogue last week
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Speaker 1: six peak position five weeks on Chart five, and number
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Speaker 1: six here last week. Quit talking and start mixing.