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Crowbar’s Kirk Windstein To Play Tour in a Chair – The Death of Stage Energy? · Classic Metal Show

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  SPEAKER_03: This is Leah Unimar from Wings of Steel, and you're watching CMS TV.
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  It's Steel Panther right here on the classic metal show,
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  a band I certainly don't get.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't get the appeal.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't understand why they're even popular.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not even a real band.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't get them at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: I bet they don't even play their instruments live.
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  that's bukkake tears that one going up by request to king trump
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  and uh just before
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  that we heard one of the founding members of the band kansas
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  doing uh mask of the
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  great deceiver uh featuring ronnie james dio on lead vocal and
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  that one going up by
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  SPEAKER_01: request to john phillips
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  SPEAKER_01: We heard Jalusik in there with Fly High Again for Polish Rocker,
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  SPEAKER_01: Shotgun Messiah with Don't Care About Nothing for Skippy.
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  And we kick things off there with the Zeppelin Clone Zebra,
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  as I said before,
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  for T-Cuz Bruh.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there you are.
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  SPEAKER_01: There it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: So just a bunch of tunes, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was checking out... I was thinking about this Carrie Livgren.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this guy, you know, he...
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  know competent musician obviously sure and uh you know kansas
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  hit it big and
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  basically in the mid 70s would you say i'd say so you know and
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  ask jim that's his
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  era yeah of course the whole dust in the wind thing right you
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  know that they did
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  SPEAKER_01: and carry on my wayward son
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  SPEAKER_01: and all that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But,
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  SPEAKER_01: uh,
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  SPEAKER_01: this carry,
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  SPEAKER_01: um,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: he,
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  SPEAKER_01: uh,
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  SPEAKER_01: experienced commercial success,
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  SPEAKER_01: uh,
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  SPEAKER_01: in the mid,
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  SPEAKER_01: mid to late eighties and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: doing,
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  SPEAKER_01: doing well,
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: he contributed or even wrote these,
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  SPEAKER_01: uh,
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  SPEAKER_01: um,
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  pop hits that we know or these rock hits that are a staple on
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  rock radio if you
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  still listen to radio right but then he uh became a born again
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  christian okay and
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  gave it all up and decided to follow the lord and be a
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  christian rocker good for
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  SPEAKER_01: him and uh i never really followed his career after that
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  SPEAKER_01: But I'm just kind of reading up on it just out of curiosity.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I guess he formed some bands that are Christian-based, I guess.
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  I don't even know if you know anything about these,
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  because I certainly don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: A band called AD.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or Proto-Kaw, K-A-W, Proto-Kaw.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you pull up any of that stuff at all?
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
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  SPEAKER_01: Carrie Livgren AD.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's see what the stylings of that is.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: But how time flies, the Carrie Livgren is 75 years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or should I say 75 years young?
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  SPEAKER_01: 75 years young.
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  a very vibrant young man wielding his axe on stage sure he is
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  let's get some carrie
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  livgren in here sure all right well how do i share ad there it
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  is all right let's
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  SPEAKER_02: see carrie livgren ad let's check it out i have no idea
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  Beginning again.
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  Is this Chicago outtakes?
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  New melodies.
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  SPEAKER_03: A changing scene.
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  want you to know me this is you're the inspiration come on it
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  really is you're the
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  meaning in my life you're the inspiration carrie livegrin
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  needed life he's our
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  inspiration yep so that's uh that's definitely uh chicago 17
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  for sure yeah it
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  SPEAKER_01: stinks
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  SPEAKER_01: How about the other band, Proto, P-R-O-T-O, Kaw.
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  SPEAKER_01: Instead of Protocol, it's Proto Kaw.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know what that is.
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  SPEAKER_02: A bunch of interviews with them about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Protocol, here's a song.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Good lord, why is everything running so slow?
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  Yeah, we're frozen.
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  What the fuck?
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  it really is amazing how much crappy music we never hear but it
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  still draws people
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  again i think this is the crowd that knows carry live grand and
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  go play some kansas
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  dude dust in the wind what is there other than dust in the wind
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  carry on your
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  wayward son oh yeah okay so they have two i think he plays any
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  of that with
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  SPEAKER_02: protocol or ad probably he stink
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go back to retirement, Carrie.
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  SPEAKER_02: Jesus Christ.
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  SPEAKER_01: Proto-caw.
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  SPEAKER_01: Proto-caw.
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  SPEAKER_01: What a terrible name.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's not good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anything with a hyphen in the name is not good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anything that ends with a W. Proto-caw.
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  SPEAKER_01: Proto-caw.
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  SPEAKER_01: It sounds like a crow on a fence.
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  SPEAKER_03: Caw!
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  SPEAKER_01: Proto-caw!
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  SPEAKER_01: Caw!
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  SPEAKER_01: Caw!
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Proto-caw.
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  SPEAKER_01: Proto-caw.
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  Again,
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  that does not take away from his abilities or his musicianship,
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  but what is this?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is some nonsense here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go back to Kansas.
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  SPEAKER_02: Stop with your fucking Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's all this heartfelt stuff, you know, they just get so heartfelt.
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  go back to worshiping satan and making good music well kansas
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  wasn't even exactly
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  just a secular band they were just sort of like you know it's
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  like dust in the wind
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  i think they even quoted that on uh bill and ted's excellent
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  adventure you know
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  SPEAKER_01: yeah it's just that's just not good
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  SPEAKER_01: But,
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  SPEAKER_01: yeah,
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  he left the limelight of Kansas in 1983 to pursue his Christian
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  evangelical
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  SPEAKER_01: Christian bands,
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  SPEAKER_01: AD,
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  SPEAKER_01: as well as Proto-Caw.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not bad for a struggling musician from Topeka, Kansas.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, where he was nothing but dust in the wind.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the wind, pal.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was just curious.
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  SPEAKER_01: I honestly didn't know a whole lot about Terry Livgren.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I could go back to knowing a little less.
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  SPEAKER_02: Who cares about Terry Livgren?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: one of our former friends who unfortunately is not with us anymore,
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  SPEAKER_01: a long-haired Mike.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was a very big Carrie Lipgren fan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: He liked his writing prowess or his ability or whatever,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I know that he knew all those other songs that none of us have heard.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he did.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was one of those guys who really liked that shit.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well,
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  SPEAKER_02: that's fine if you're into it,
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  SPEAKER_02: I guess,
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  SPEAKER_02: but you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think most people know two songs from Kansas.
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  carry on and dust in the wind that's it that's what we know
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  yeah i don't think
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  SPEAKER_02: there's a third one to name
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  SPEAKER_01: Alright, just a little sidetrack there.
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  I just thought you might be interested to know a little bit
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  about that as well
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  SPEAKER_01: because I knew nothing about any of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Didn't know a damn thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now you know a little bit more.
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  SPEAKER_02: I do.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know as little as I wanted to ever know.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know more now than you ever wanted to know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, correct.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to go back to pretending I don't know that much anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're going to go back to being just dust in the wind.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what my brain feels like now after that story, dust in the wind.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, what do you got for us, Chris?
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  SPEAKER_01: Anything good?
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  SPEAKER_02: I have just a question,
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  SPEAKER_02: and it's a real question,
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  SPEAKER_02: and it's about me,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I want you to be honest,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I want the chat room to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want everybody to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're a fag.
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  SPEAKER_02: I like a good cock every now and again.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  now my question is do i have too high of a standard for these
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  bands that are aging
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  out and before you answer yes put this story on the on the
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  screen because yet again
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  SPEAKER_02: we have another guy touring sitting down
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's a guy that I am a humongous fan of.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're familiar with the whole slow and fat music.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I'm a giant fan of him.
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  Whether it's with Down or Crowbar or Kingdom of Sorrow or Solo
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  or anything that
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  SPEAKER_02: Kurt Winstein does,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm a fan of.
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  And I've interviewed him a bunch of times and he's the nicest
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  dude to talk to.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm an absolute win.
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  In my music fandom,
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  Kurt Weinstein is one of my top probably 25 musicians.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love him to death.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I see this and I want to fucking throw my goddamn computer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Enough with the sitting down touring.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Am I being too hard?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm asking because I'll stop bringing it up if I am.
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  Well,
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  I'm going to,
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  I'm just going to give you my rational thoughts on,
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  okay.
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  I don't know what kind of financial position these musicians
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  have put themselves
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  SPEAKER_01: into or have accumulated,
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  but this is going to go all the way back to our previous
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  segment about doing it for
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  SPEAKER_01: a paycheck.
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  SPEAKER_01: And again,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what Kirk Winstein's financial position is,
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  but he is willing to do this sitting down only because it's not
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  out of dignity.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not out of love of the trade.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's out of, I need a paycheck.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  i can still sing well it's kind of like aussie right we saw
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  aussie six weeks ago or
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  something just before he died he did a back to the beginning
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  show which had a
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  stadium full of people and an internet audience of millions he
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  did it sitting down
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  SPEAKER_01: because he was decrepit aged sure incapable but he still sang
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  true and it's no different than paul diano prior to his passing
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  he sat down we saw
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  phil collins who wanted to do one last run with genesis right
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  he sat down i don't
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  think phil collins needed the money no but again i don't know
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  what uh the other
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  SPEAKER_01: guys needed if anything you know i i have no idea
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  SPEAKER_01: But unfortunately,
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  SPEAKER_01: because of these guys' legacies,
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  and the only people who can get away with this are people who
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  have a long-storied
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  SPEAKER_01: legacy,
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  SPEAKER_01: 30,
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  SPEAKER_01: 40,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe even up to 50 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: And people are going to go,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh,
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  SPEAKER_01: my God,
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  SPEAKER_01: I remember Genesis and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway or Trick of the Tale or whatever it is.
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  you know and that's what it is it's like i don't care phil
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  collins is sitting down
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  oh i don't care if ozzy's sitting down flying high again man
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  yeah i guess you know
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  the you know the blizzard of oz man fly that flag forever man
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  i'm not saying you're
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  SPEAKER_02: wrong
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  But where they lose me is they ain't reducing the price when
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  they're reducing the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, they're not going to because you're still getting the songs.
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  SPEAKER_02: And therein lies my problem.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not the show that I'm paying for.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm paying for a fucking hospital bed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you hearing the songs or is it a visual thing?
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  SPEAKER_02: Gee, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you go to a concert to close your eyes and hear?
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  SPEAKER_02: Or do you want to see it?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think you want to see it and hear it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And even the Aussie thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Look,
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  SPEAKER_02: if I remember right,
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  I said I was okay with the Aussie thing because he was so
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  decrepit and he did one
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  SPEAKER_02: show.
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  SPEAKER_02: But,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I think we both agreed on this,
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  SPEAKER_02: if they would have come out and announced,
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  SPEAKER_02: well,
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  SPEAKER_02: now we're doing a residency somewhere,
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  SPEAKER_02: then I'd have been against it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kirk Winstein is going out on tour.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's going to tour it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then Ann Wilson of heart.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're going out there with Ann Wilson sitting in a chair.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in Winstein's case, I know he got hurt.
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  SPEAKER_02: His statement is literally,
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  I got a bad sciatica flare up or potentially a ruptured disc in
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  my lower spine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's awful.
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  SPEAKER_02: Either one of those is brutally bad.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know either way, but, well, I don't call in sick.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm there to give y'all 100% and please the fans the best I can.
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  All of that is wonderful,
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  except you're fucking giving the fans half of what they
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  normally get.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're getting the vocal, but you're not getting the performance.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not a performance.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like a studio session with people in front of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's not a concert.
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  SPEAKER_02: To me, that's not a concert.
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  SPEAKER_02: And again, I see that in the chat room, I'm getting it both ways.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some are saying, yeah, I'm being too hard.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some are saying, nope.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm absolutely right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I guess everybody is torn on this, but I mean, it's just...
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  SPEAKER_02: God damn it, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is this what we as 50,
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  60-year-olds have to accept if we're going to go and see the
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  bands we grew up on?
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  SPEAKER_02: Is fucking something with a hospital ward on standby?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not even kidding on this.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's going to sound like I'm kidding, but I'm not.
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  SPEAKER_02: How long until we get somebody in a hospital bed?
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  SPEAKER_02: Seriously.
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  SPEAKER_02: A wheel in bed.
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  SPEAKER_02: Don't you think Jack Russell could have done some gigs in a wheel in bed?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's a prime example right there.
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  I mean,
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  he,
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  when I saw him for the last time,
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  he couldn't have weighed 90 pounds.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
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  SPEAKER_01: 90 pounds.
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  SPEAKER_02: They could have tucked him in, given him a little thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: When it's time to sing twice shy,
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  SPEAKER_02: he could have pushed the button and brought himself up a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, so he could sing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, now I'm not saying this is the way it should be.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just throwing out,
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  SPEAKER_01: throwing out scenarios,
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  SPEAKER_01: scenarios,
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: being AI as a thing and being that,
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know, we've, we've had a, what do you want to call it?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: What was the thing that they did with deal?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: What is that?
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: The deal?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: The, what is the hologram?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: People,
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: people went to see the hologram,
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: would you,
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: would you be,
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: would you be happy with seeing this,
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: guy show up as a hologram over a chair?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: I see that every time because at least then I'm getting a performance.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm getting a show.
• 20:35
  So last time you turned on a TV show and then put your head
• 20:38
  under a pillow so you
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: couldn't watch it.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: Just listen to it.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's my point.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: You watch concerts on YouTube, don't you?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I do.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: You ever put a mask on so you can't see the TV?
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's my point.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you want to see a performance.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's what you're paying for.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 21:00
  If I want to just hear the songs,
• 21:02
  I will pay the 14 bucks and buy the latest Crowbar record.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to just see the songs or hear the songs.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: I want to see a performance.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 21:13
  I want to see them getting aggressive and adding that oomph to
• 21:18
  those songs.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 21:20
  I don't want to see Kirk Weinstein sitting in an office chair
• 21:23
  fucking playing riffs.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know.
• 21:29
  Do you want to hear the song Into the Suffering while he's
• 21:31
  suffering in a chair?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I know that prior to his passing, Paul D'Anno was in a wheelchair.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: He was out there playing as, what was his name?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: War horse.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Was that his name?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: That was a war horse.
• 21:52
  You know,
• 21:52
  he was out there and doing the war horse,
• 21:55
  uh,
• 21:55
  you know,
• 21:56
  shows in a wheelchair.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:59
  We,
• 21:59
  we,
• 21:59
  we don't,
• 22:00
  we don't want to see our,
• 22:02
  our heroes or whatever in a wheelchair.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: If they're permanently in a wheelchair, I can accept that.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like Jeff Becerra possessed.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Or like Christopher Reeve.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: Christopher Reeve somehow came back and could play the harp or some shit.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Or not the harp, that would be hard.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: But, I don't know, harmonica?
• 22:27
  If they could stick a harmonica in his mouth and he could do
• 22:29
  something,
• 22:29
  okay,
• 22:30
  that's cool.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm fine with that.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: Jeff Becerra from possessed is the one and he's,
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: and he's one of those that actually got on me about this,
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: but I'm fine with that guy because that guy,
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: look,
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: he got shot.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: He got paralyzed.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: He's still performing.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm okay with that.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because he doesn't have the ability.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's not because he aged out.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: And some cocksucker took his ability from him.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he didn't age out and just, you know, fall into a chair.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm fine with that.
• 23:03
  But on this,
• 23:06
  and again,
• 23:06
  this is only me,
• 23:07
  and this is why I'm asking the question.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: I would, for me, there's zero chance I would go see this.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know when the tour, if there's a tour date in Cleveland or not.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: And it's nothing against Kirk.
• 23:20
  I got nothing but respect for the guy,
• 23:22
  but I don't want to see him sitting in a chair.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's fair enough.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, to your point.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:33
  uh during the show you know the docking show that that they
• 23:38
  perform monday don has
• 23:42
  a torn meniscus in in his uh right leg and it was really
• 23:48
  flaring up during the show
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: and so during the show troy put a put a stool out there okay
• 23:57
  and don came over to the side stage and he goes i'm not sitting
• 24:01
  on the stool he
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: goes what am i jack russell here
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's no way I'm going to just sit on a stool and sing songs.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Cause it's not performing.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: And that's, that was his point.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: So he just kind of,
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: powered through the pain of his torn meniscus to,
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: to be able to stand during the,
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: during the performance because he didn't want to sit on a,
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: on a bar stool,
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: even though he was like in pain.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:33
  with his knee bothering him you know what i mean but as a
• 24:37
  performer he was just
• 24:39
  like yeah this isn't acceptable to do that i don't want to do
• 24:43
  that yeah but it's
• 24:46
  becoming this is this is where i get where i'm getting annoyed
• 24:50
  it's becoming okay
• 24:54
  now it's not you're seeing you're not seeing these guys
• 24:59
  automatically cancel tours
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: because of this
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: it's starting to be a thing.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, we can name them now.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Phil Collins, now Kirk Winstein, Axl Rose, Dave Grohl, Ozzy.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the list is getting longer and longer.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's a bad precedent.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: What's next?
• 25:26
  Are we going to bring couches on tour so that they're
• 25:28
  comfortable when they're playing?
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, do you want to see that?
• 25:33
  Do you want to see Mark Kendall and his band sitting on a
• 25:37
  couple of couches while
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: Burt Carlisle runs around because he's young?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the acoustic tour.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's the sofa tour.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: So fucking lazy tour.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: The so fucking what tour?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:57
  the sofa king tour right sofa king that's right i'm pissing
• 26:02
  people off in the chat
• 26:03
  room why are you really i'm just asking what what's going on
• 26:06
  well this was just the
• 26:07
  thought the set had nothing to do with you know this is should
• 26:11
  never be it's just
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: like this is chris's opinion it is my opinion so what are people saying
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, let's see.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I can't scroll it back here.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Jerry Kugel said, I've got them all fired up.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that's in a good way or a bad way.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the wretch says Kirk needs to earn a living.
• 26:32
  And if he's willing to go out there and fulfill his
• 26:34
  commitments,
• 26:35
  he,
• 26:36
  you cannot go.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's your choice.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: I admire his dedication.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, so this goes back to what I just said.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I have no idea what his financial position is in his life.
• 26:48
  right so you know i'm gonna go out there and i'm gonna sing it
• 26:53
  hasn't affected my
• 26:54
  vocal ability but i can't move around on stage so i'm gonna go
• 26:58
  out i'm gonna sing
• 26:59
  the crowbar songs right and you'll get to hear the crowbar
• 27:04
  songs but i can't move
• 27:05
  around sorry i can't move around right no jump around for him
• 27:10
  no jump around jump
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: around no
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: And again, I want to reiterate, this is one of my favorite guys ever.
• 27:19
  Because it's not me picking at guys that I really don't give a
• 27:23
  shit about this time.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: Paul D'Anno,
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: for better or for worse,
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: outside of those two Iron Maiden records,
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: I really didn't give a shit.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Nice guy, but didn't give a shit.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: About him musically.
• 27:33
  Phil Collins,
• 27:34
  I wasn't going to go and see that show anyway,
• 27:36
  so I really didn't care.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Winstein, Crowbar, I would go see.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: I love Crowbar.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I love Down.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: Those are two bands that I really, really like.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: And this I can't do.
• 27:49
  I cannot go and see a nice chair sitting up in the front and
• 27:54
  Kurt Winstein playing
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: that slow,
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: heavy Doom and just be like,
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, there he is.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm doomed to sit in this chair while I perform.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: How about you put some chairs out in the audience then, bro?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: Let us sit, too.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to stand for four hours watching you sit.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: There's that piece of it, too.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: I hate standing in those fucking shows, don't you?
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know if it's hitting you.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's because I'm a big fucking tub of shit.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Probably is.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: But four hours standing on an asphalt floor,
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: man,
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: I come out of there feeling like I played fucking 10 games of football.
• 28:37
  Yeah,
• 28:37
  you walk around on a cement or hard floor and you don't have
• 28:43
  good shoes and stuff.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the knees start barking and the back starts barking.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's tough.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: It is tough, and we're too old for that shit.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: I need a chair, man.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm an old fuck myself.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying,
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: well,
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: let's start the mosh pit up,
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: but I'm going to get in the mosh pit in a chair.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the equivalent of what he's doing, right?
• 29:07
  If I went to a show with a big mosh pit and I tried to jump my
• 29:10
  mosh pit or my chair
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: into the mosh pit with me,
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: you think people are going to be polite?
• 29:16
  Are they going to knock me out of the chair and hit me in the
• 29:17
  face with it?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, come on.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's fucking ridiculous.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he may need the money.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: He needed the money.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: He needed the money.
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• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess,
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: I guess it's a choice between hearing,
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: hearing,
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: not seeing,
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: but hearing your favorite crowbar tunes or being disappointed with a,
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: a visual performance that you would prefer it to be a different way.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: And this guy needing to make a living.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm all for all that.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just not for a full price ticket to see a guy sitting around a guy,
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: and I don't want to say he's one step above hospice or whatever,
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: but come on.
• 31:21
  So what should the discount be for a show with a singer who is
• 31:28
  in a chair?
• 31:28
  50%.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: 50%.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's half the show.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: You got 100% of the songs, but 50% of the movement or 0% of the movement.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: 0%.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's 50% total show.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: Charge me 15 bucks.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm there.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any idea what the cost of this show is being that...
• 31:55
  what is it it's just crowbar and or crowbar and i hate god is
• 32:00
  that the i think
• 32:01
  that's it is those two so so what does that tour command i mean
• 32:06
  what what do they i
• 32:07
  mean you know both of those bands are not what i would call pop
• 32:12
  hits no not at all
• 32:15
  so the hardcores would show up so so what does a ticket for
• 32:18
  something like that
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: cost
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: At Ace of Clubs, Crowbar and I Hate God in Columbus, it is how much?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: $41.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: So you want to pay $20.50?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: And by the way, it's sold out at the Ace of Clubs.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: So they don't give a shit.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: They don't have the same sensibility that I do.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: Because they just want to hear the songs.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: They don't give a shit how it gets done.
• 32:46
  To me,
• 32:47
  if you're going to do that,
• 32:48
  then you might as well just bring in a replacement player.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: Just bring in some other guy to do it that could stand up.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: Just bring in Steel Panther.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: Just bring in anybody.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: They're a good cover band.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, why not?
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: That'd be fine.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_02: Just grab another singer, whoever it would be.
• 33:10
  I'd rather see that with a replacement singer than I would with
• 33:13
  the guy in a chair.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: What would you rather see?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, people are sentimental, especially metal fans.
• 33:28
  Would you go see Last in Line,
• 33:31
  or would you be more happy with seeing the bones of D.O.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: being rolled out on stage?
• 33:37
  see for me it would be last in line because i want the better
• 33:40
  show right but but
• 33:42
  people are sentimental and they go oh my god there's the bones
• 33:46
  of ronnie james dito
• 33:47
  jesus christ you know metal horns forever man you know what i
• 33:53
  mean they're all
• 33:54
  sentimental and shit i mean even though there's bands out there
• 33:58
  that could probably
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: do an aussie tribute and i've seen i've seen a couple actually mm-hmm
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: When I was in Pittsburgh two summers ago,
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: at the Hard Rock Cafe there in Pittsburgh,
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: I went in there and there was a band,
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: a Black Sabbath slash Aussie tribute band playing.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the lead singer, he looked like Aussie.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: He sounded like Aussie.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: He was like Aussie.
• 34:30
  And I was so impressed with those guys that bought everybody a
• 34:34
  round of drinks.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: And he could have,
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: if he wanted to,
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: if people would accept it,
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: went out there and did a solo Aussie tour.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because he, well, let's go back to Steel Panther.
• 34:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:56
  ralph saynes who i've known since 98 i think so close to 30
• 35:01
  years okay he was
• 35:03
  fronting the van halen tribute band atomic punks right he did a
• 35:11
  dead knockoff david
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: lee rock
• 35:14
  you know and to be honest with you at that point i would have
• 35:20
  gone to see atomic
• 35:22
  punks before i went to see the version of van halen that you
• 35:27
  and i saw in wisconsin
• 35:30
  i agree by the way i'm going to answer this one question from
• 35:33
  the chat like i said
• 35:35
  would this be any different if this was a down show and phil
• 35:39
  was fucked up and he
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: had to sit if phil was sitting at a down show i'd be pissed
• 35:46
  I would be absolutely pissed off if I paid money to see down
• 35:49
  and Phil came out and
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: said,
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to get comfortable in this chair.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, here, here's the, now here's a good question for you.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: Being,
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: Phil a little bit and he was coming to Cleveland and he was playing at,
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to throw a venue out there.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: And he called you up and said, hey, brother, I'm coming to the Agora.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to come out to the show.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'll hook you up.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, tickets are 50 bucks.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: Would you say to Phil, say he was, you know, chair bound.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'll pay 25.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: If he was negotiating with me, yeah, absolutely.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: Or I'd say, dude, you're going to be sitting down.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: Can I just get in free?
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: That'd be my answer.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: And that's not even trying to be an idiot or nothing.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: I would be not.
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  I don't want to see my rock star guys fucking on their way to
• 36:56
  fucking the grave.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just don't.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: When I see it,
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: every time I see it,
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: even Ozzy,
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: a couple weeks ago,
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: even a couple weeks ago with Ozzy
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  i felt bad for him of course you do i felt i didn't there was a
• 37:17
  part of me that was
• 37:17
  happy that he got to do such a grand finale to his you know
• 37:21
  what ended up being his
• 37:22
  life and all that but i mean just even at that moment where it
• 37:26
  was just a grand
• 37:26
  finale to his touring life and a celebration of everything that
• 37:31
  he gave us which is
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: immense as music fans as metal fans 50 plus years of work
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I was super happy about that.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: And at the same time,
• 37:43
  I was absolutely depressed watching the Prince of Darkness
• 37:51
  fucking convalescing on
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: stage.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: That was tough to watch.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: The venom was gone.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: The teeth were gone.
• 38:02
  It didn't quite have the danger that we experienced as young
• 38:09
  people where Ozzy was the devil.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: It was an earthworm instead of a fucking cobra.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right, of course.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it was.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: And again,
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm thrilled that I watched it,
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: but I did come away from it being ugly,
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: feeling ugly about it.
• 38:27
  So is this more about you personally and the whole aging
• 38:32
  process and the aging out
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: and the fact that everything is diminishing?
• 38:38
  or is it the fact that uh you know your your rock stars and
• 38:43
  your people that you
• 38:44
  looked up to uh are also aging and diminishing and it's sort of
• 38:49
  like a slap of
• 38:51
  reality that uh we're we're winding down things and coming to
• 38:56
  the end as it were it
• 38:57
  is it is that and it is a look at my own humanity as well
• 39:00
  there's things that i
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: can't do anymore
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like I used to love to play basketball.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you've been to my house.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_02: I got a basketball hoop in my driveway.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: I love playing basketball.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: Can't play basketball anymore.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: And that fucking sucks.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it sucks.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: But I sure wouldn't.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: I sure wouldn't be like, hey, everybody, come on over.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: And if you guys give me fifty dollars.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'll sit in a chair and throw a basketball at the hoop.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'll play you one-on-one in my hover round.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's get some wheelchairs together.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: We'll play a good game of wheelchair hoops.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't do that.
• 39:37
  If somebody said,
• 39:38
  hey,
• 39:38
  let's go out and play basketball,
• 39:39
  my answer would be,
• 39:40
  you know what?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: I hate to tell you this, but I will fucking lose a knee.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just not capable.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not capable.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'll blow my knee out, and then I'll be even worse.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be more fucked.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_02: So, no.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to stay home.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we can watch a good basketball game on TV.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: That would be my answer.
• 39:57
  Yeah,
• 39:58
  but you'll have to pay me $20 to sit with me and watch a
• 40:01
  basketball game.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: Because I am a very important person.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because I need a couple of shekels.
• 40:07
  Whether I'm playing you on the court or you're just sitting in
• 40:10
  my house enjoying my
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: company,
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: watching it on my big screen TV,
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: we're going to enjoy the game together,
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: but you're going to have to pay me for my time.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 40:23
  yeah so all right well i guess i'll keep harping on it then
• 40:28
  because it seems like i
• 40:31
  think that's what this all boils down to yeah kurt uh winston
• 40:37
  winstein is asking
• 40:40
  you to pay him for his time whether he's sitting on a chair or
• 40:46
  whether he's you
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: know stomping around on stage yeah
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm only willing to pay that money if he's stomping around on stage.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's fair enough.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, everybody's got their standards.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: Again, you're not forced to go.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: You're not forced to pay those fees.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're not forced to be involved.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's just your personal disappointment or your personal.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: Just my choice.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're just kind of let down at this point.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: You're just like, you know what?
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just kind of like sad that this is where it's ending.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it just sucks.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: I just hate it.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's fair enough.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, enough about that.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_02: You want to take a break and then come back and do your story?
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have a story.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: You sent me an email.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you sent me an email.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: You sent me one.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: That thing.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: We can do that.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: Let's take a little break.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: Play a few songs.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: Come back.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll wrap up.
• 41:58
  We have fans who are very good about sending in stories and so
• 42:03
  on and so forth.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, we can do that.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: That works.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: No problem, man.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I got a request here for a band called Picture.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not familiar with them at all.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: An old school band.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know them?
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: I know of them.
• 42:24
  I'm not going to tell you that,
• 42:25
  oh,
• 42:25
  the singer's this,
• 42:26
  and they had all these hits.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know them that way.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Is their lead singer still touring in a chair?
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: Touring in a frame.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 42:38
  Well,
• 42:38
  anyway,
• 42:39
  I got a request here from Found on the Road Dead,
• 42:44
  otherwise known as Ford.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of how I read it anyway.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 42:49
  but uh he wants to hear something called uh get me rock and
• 42:53
  roll by the band
• 42:54
  picture all right so we're gonna get uh found on the road dead
• 42:59
  some get him some
• 43:00
  rock and roll hopefully he'll be revived won't be sitting in a
• 43:05
  chair disappointing
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: chris that's right
• 43:08
  so here it is it's picture with get me rock and roll
• 43:11
  exclusively here on your
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: classic metal show