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Patriots Catch-22 6/24: Patriots Roster Breakdown, Around the AFC East (Bills) · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars, Bizarre and Lazarre.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it? Joined us always by our Bars.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about this a lot in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: probably with the twenty twenty two Celtics. We're talking about
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  Speaker 2: it with the Spurs, We're talking about it with the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: I just think it goes to show just in all sports,
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  Speaker 2: and basketball probably happens more frequently than others, but in
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  Speaker 2: all sports you kind of have to lose before you win, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and you have to taste your own butt a little
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  Speaker 2: bit before you win. And both those teams it made
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  Speaker 2: me feel the same way. They kind of both arrived
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  Speaker 2: a little bit earlier than they were supposed to with
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots and the Spurs. Yeah, and they got to
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  Speaker 2: that point, you know, at the end there, and they
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  Speaker 2: just weren't ready for the moment. And the Spurs probably
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  Speaker 2: had a better chance of flipping that series than the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots ever did flipping the Super Bowl. But that always
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  Speaker 2: type of stuff always interests me because Wemby is Wemby
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  Speaker 2: and Drake May is now on his way to being
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  Speaker 2: one of the faces of the league in the NFL
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  Speaker 2: and one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And
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  Speaker 2: both those guys losing the title wraps you know, they
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  Speaker 2: both come up a couple of games short catch catch. Well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we'll we'll talk some basketball in the second hour
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  Speaker 2: because the Celtics are making me upset. Maybe we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: some soccer that we were just talking because you have
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  Speaker 2: an opinion on our our lingo thing is carrying over
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  Speaker 2: from Patriots Unfiltered. But we're going to talk football on
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  Speaker 2: this show too. I promise we're not going to be
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  Speaker 2: all silliness and non football on Catch twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: It's Alex at least not until the seconds hevin.
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  Speaker 2: It's a spy and the glass. We have some football
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  Speaker 2: things to get to today in the first hour at least.
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  Speaker 2: And then are your calls your emails? Eight five to
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  Speaker 2: five Pats five hundred is the call is the phone number,
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  Speaker 2: The email address is podcasts at Patriots dot com. If
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  Speaker 2: you want to weigh in on that. Do you want
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  Speaker 2: to weigh in on our uh should we be calling
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  Speaker 2: it the picture of the field argument? Quickly?
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  Speaker 1: You of all people who has gate kept this World Cup.
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  Speaker 1: Has everybody else started to enjoy it? And you got
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  Speaker 1: it in debt because you're in everybody else's enjoying it.
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  Speaker 1: You don't understand soccer. You don't really get the sock,
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  Speaker 1: but now you're you don't like it when people say
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  Speaker 1: nil instead is zero, that's and.
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  Speaker 2: One that critical.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, that's doing the sport. It's very hypocritical. This
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  Speaker 1: is your sport. That's the whole thing. Like in two
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  Speaker 1: when I'm on the air and I'm talking about it
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  Speaker 1: professionally and I don't say nil, the soccer fans get
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  Speaker 1: annoyed with me, and I understand it. It's their sport. Fine,
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  Speaker 1: you have a right to be annoyed. I'm gonna do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it how the soccer fans want me
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  Speaker 1: to say it. I'm gonna say nil.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So here's my take on it that I just
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  Speaker 2: kind of laid out. But I'll take it a different
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  Speaker 2: direction because I think this pertains to this show specifically
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  Speaker 2: because we talk so much about in college football. I
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  Speaker 2: believe our best path as a soccer nation to make
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  Speaker 2: soccer more popular, more exciting, more American is to basically
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  Speaker 2: adopt college football traditions and rules and apply that.
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  Speaker 1: To soccer except what you hate when every other sport
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  Speaker 1: does that.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. Yes, but with college football, it's very regional. It's
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  Speaker 2: very passionate.
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  Speaker 1: It is the closest thing we have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what makes soccer in Europe so unique is
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  Speaker 2: that it's so regional, right, it's not. It's literally like
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  Speaker 2: these smaller towns even like have their own team. Every town,
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  Speaker 2: every city has its own teams, have multiple but every
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  Speaker 2: it's even more regional than like our sports. I would say,
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  Speaker 2: besides college football, that's the one like true regional thing.
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  Speaker 2: And I just think that if we as a soccer nation,
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  Speaker 2: if we just made it more ours, then I think
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  Speaker 2: it would be more. It would be more, the culture
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  Speaker 2: would feel more natural, versus like trying to adopt culture
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  Speaker 2: from overseas and make that our thing. It is a
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  Speaker 2: little hypocritical of me because I've been very critical of
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  Speaker 2: you for all of a sudden being I called you
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  Speaker 2: sir Alex the other day. I don't think you've got
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  Speaker 2: the joke. No, So, Sir Alex Ferguson, coach from Manchester United,
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  Speaker 2: was basically like the Bill Belichick at the Premier League.
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  Speaker 2: So I started calling you sir Alex because you're a
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  Speaker 2: soccer guy.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I mean, I've just enjoyed the the you are,
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  Speaker 1: the culture element of it. It's been very fun. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I think I yeah, if you'ren't talk about the sport,
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  Speaker 1: you use the right terminology. I don't think there's anything
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  Speaker 1: wrong with that. But if we're gonna do the college
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  Speaker 1: football thing, yeah we should. And the other thing I
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  Speaker 1: saw instead of just inventing these chants like how cool
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  Speaker 1: is it at the end of that game last week
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  Speaker 1: Country Roads, let's just do that. Let's just take our
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  Speaker 1: songs and like imagine if they came out to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess we can't do seven Nation Army because Scotland's
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  Speaker 1: kind of using the so we can't do that. But
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  Speaker 1: like what if they came out to I mean.
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  Speaker 2: They're currently coming out to the Chicago Bulls.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah great, Well there's no lyrics to that, which is problem.
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  Speaker 2: No, but they had the Chicago Bulls had like entrance.
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  Speaker 1: To come out to that. We can do just like
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  Speaker 1: just sing like songs. It doesn't they don't need to
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  Speaker 1: be like European soccer chains. We have great songs.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that I feel like is what our culture.
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  Speaker 1: Is, right, that's what it should be, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So this is my point that it's not about changing
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  Speaker 2: the fundamental language of the sport. That's not what I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about. I'm talking about the culture around this sport. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna do an exercise here today. We're going back
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  Speaker 2: to football, our football, not not soccer football. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: do a couple of things exercises here. Big show today,
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  Speaker 2: Alex for around the AFCs, for wrapping it up today
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  Speaker 2: with your favorite team to talk about the Buffalo Bills.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll do that in a little bit. But I
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  Speaker 2: want to start with this exercise. I was on Twitter
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  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago and this is right up
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  Speaker 2: our alley and Daniel Jeremiah moved the sticks. He put
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  Speaker 2: out a tweet that said, you know, this is what
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  Speaker 2: he was taught is sort of a championship foundation for
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  Speaker 2: a team. Twelve players make up this championship foundation. And
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to do it with the Patriots and see
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  Speaker 2: if the Patriots have all these boxes check. So it's
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  Speaker 2: twelve players total, it's one quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Check.
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  Speaker 2: It's three offensive playmakers, it's three quality offensive linemen, it
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  Speaker 2: is two pass rushers and three defensive playmakers. Now, perfect
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  Speaker 2: semantics for me is pass rusher versus defensive playmaker. Right,
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  Speaker 2: those are kind of similar.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you specified pass rusher it the outside
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  Speaker 1: is outside is beyond that?
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  Speaker 2: Right? So those are all the sort of categories. So
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  Speaker 2: one quarterback, three offensive playmakers, three the offensive lineman, two
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  Speaker 2: pass rushers, three defensive players. Mix up twelve and the
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  Speaker 2: idea I.
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  Speaker 1: Would add you, I would add you need the coach
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  Speaker 1: to which the Patriots have that box check.
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  Speaker 2: This is just roster wise.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So this was Daniel Jeremiah's exact tweet. He said,
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  Speaker 2: I like to revisit this concept for every NFL team
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  Speaker 2: to build a championship foundation, you need to fill these
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  Speaker 2: twelve spots. So the question is is do the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: have a championship foundation as a football team? So I
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  Speaker 2: just want to go through each one of these buckets, uh,
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll talk about each one of those and
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  Speaker 2: see if the Patriots have the box checked. The first
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  Speaker 2: one being quarterback, which I wrote check in capital letters yep.
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  Speaker 2: Next to that one.
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  Speaker 1: How much time you spend that with.
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  Speaker 2: Drake may Well? The one thing I wanted to talk about, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: with Drake May. I feel like I've gotten asked this
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  Speaker 2: question various ways all off season of what's the next step,
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  Speaker 2: how does Drake May get even better? And I'll admit
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  Speaker 2: two things. One little defensive of that question, because it's like,
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  Speaker 2: how do you get even better than the MVP runner
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  Speaker 2: up in the leader in the league in QPR at
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  Speaker 2: EPA and passer rating and completion rate, Like we're setting
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  Speaker 2: a pretty high bar for him to play even better
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  Speaker 2: than he did last year. Number two is you know,
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't put a ton of thought into it as
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  Speaker 2: to what I would point to and say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: these are the couple of things that I would really
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  Speaker 2: see to like to see him improve on. So the
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  Speaker 2: one thing that I kind of settled on when I
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  Speaker 2: thought about this the other day, when you look at
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  Speaker 2: his numbers and they got better, I would say as
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  Speaker 2: a season regular season war on and then they came
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  Speaker 2: out again in a negative way in the playoffs. He
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  Speaker 2: took forty eight sacks last year. Just that raw number,
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  Speaker 2: forty eight is the fourth most in the NFL. Last year. Now,
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  Speaker 2: on a per drop back basis, he was an eight
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  Speaker 2: percent sack rate. That's the tenth highest. And I think
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  Speaker 2: the other number that's interesting is his pressure two sack rate,
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  Speaker 2: So this is how often a pressure is converted into
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  Speaker 2: a sack. That is the ten ties it well at
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  Speaker 2: twenty point six percent. We saw that take another life
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  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, I would say where he got sacked
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  Speaker 2: even more. That would be the one thing that if
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  Speaker 2: I had to nitpick Drake May and say, I'd like
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  Speaker 2: to see this improve. It's not so much about the
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  Speaker 2: hits that he's taking. That's part of it, but the
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  Speaker 2: other part of it is just keeping the offense out
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  Speaker 2: of negative plays and negative downs and distances, especially third
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  Speaker 2: and longs. They had a exuberant high amount of third
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  Speaker 2: and longs last year. They were just so efficient and honestly,
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  Speaker 2: like kind of broke the brain a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: how good they were on third and long that it
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  Speaker 2: didn't end up mattering. But you don't want to live
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  Speaker 2: in that world right where you're in third and nine,
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  Speaker 2: third and ten. We saw that finally catch up to
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  Speaker 2: them in the playoffs and especially in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: So if there is one element of Drake May's game
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  Speaker 2: that I would say I'd like to see him improve
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  Speaker 2: on a little bit, it's taking fewer sacks and whether
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  Speaker 2: that me means getting to the checkdowns, throwing the ball away,
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  Speaker 2: like whatever way you get to that point, we can debate.
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  Speaker 2: But I got to ask that question a hundred times
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  Speaker 2: and I wanted to finally have an answer to it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it just has to come with. The
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  Speaker 1: sack number was up because the turnover number was down,
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  Speaker 1: and I think he was just kind of knowing where
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  Speaker 1: to where when not to take unnecessary risks. So that
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  Speaker 1: number's got to come down without the turnover number going
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  Speaker 1: back up and finding other ways to And maybe they've
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  Speaker 1: talked a lot about him having more agency at the
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  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Maybe this is just checking out of
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  Speaker 1: bad plays and things like that, But that number needs
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  Speaker 1: to come down without the turnovers going back up.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And I think that that's kind of that all
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  Speaker 2: all the bad habits sort of came out in the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs at times where he was getting strip sacked and
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  Speaker 2: he was turned the ball over and he was getting sacked.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that that all kind of comes together.
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  Speaker 2: They got themselves out of bad situations offensively last year,
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  Speaker 2: especially during the regular seat at a prolific clip, like
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  Speaker 2: like a really high clip. I don't know if that's sustainable,
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  Speaker 2: especially against a tougher schedule and tougher defenses. So that
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  Speaker 2: was my one nipick a Drake, But quarterback checked that box.
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  Speaker 2: The Patriots clearly have check offensive playmaker. I think this
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  Speaker 2: one's interesting because Daniel Jeremiah says you need three. They
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  Speaker 2: clearly have one with AJ Brown?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Do they have three out of this group? Is the
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  Speaker 2: interesting question? And this is where we get into the
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  Speaker 2: semantics of what's a playmaker?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Is this guy a nice role player? Is he truly
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  Speaker 2: a playmaker?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Romeo, Dobbs, Hunter, Henry, and I put the two running
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  Speaker 2: backs down, Trevion Henderson and Remandre Stephenson. Can we get
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  Speaker 2: two more playmakers out of that list to say that
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  Speaker 2: they have three legit playmakers on this roster?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? So, who's sorry?
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  Speaker 3: Who you have?
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  Speaker 2: Dobbs, Henry, Henderson, Remandre AJ Brown?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 2: AJ Brown I said he check. This is like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you guys are truly playmakers? Like do
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  Speaker 2: I what I call them? A playmaker?
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  Speaker 1: I think Remandre and Dobbs of the potential to be.
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  Speaker 2: So do you think more so than Henderson?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? I mean, define playmakers A big play threat or
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  Speaker 1: like consistent volume. You know that's the question, right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: Henderson's a big play threat, but he's not a consistent
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  Speaker 1: He's not a guy that consistently makes plays. Romeo Dobbs
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  Speaker 1: is somebody I think could be in the you know,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred catch range this year, so that's pretty consistently
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  Speaker 1: making plays. But he's not somebody i'd consider like a
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  Speaker 1: game breaker. So I don't know where to go from there.
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  Speaker 1: Like I, I guess you need to define more and
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  Speaker 1: I think you need both. I think you can't only
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  Speaker 1: have guys that are chain movers and guys that are
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  Speaker 1: you know, consistent down to down but not big play threats.
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  Speaker 1: I can't don't think you can only have big play
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  Speaker 1: threats either.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So I think Romeo Doves and Hunter Henry your
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  Speaker 2: classic chain moving pieces at their positions. Henderson's big play
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  Speaker 2: remind is more consistent. I would put Rimandre in a
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  Speaker 2: playmaking category. I think he proved down the stretch last year,
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  Speaker 2: especially just all around pass blocking, catching the ball out
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  Speaker 2: in the backfield, running the football. I think he's a playmaker.
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  Speaker 2: The other ones I think are debatable. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: If I like to me, you have to have like
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  Speaker 2: a real impact on the game and be, you know,
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  Speaker 2: our Tuesday player thing.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That's sort of what I think of with the offensive
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  Speaker 2: playmaker category is like, is this a guy that you
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  Speaker 2: go into the game on Monday and Tuesday as the
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  Speaker 2: opponent and circle on the depth chart and say, we
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  Speaker 2: got to have an answer for this? Clearly AJ Brown
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  Speaker 2: is one of those guys. I don't know. They kind
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  Speaker 2: of have it by committee right now.
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  Speaker 1: I think if we're gonna go by Tuesday player, I
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  Speaker 1: think Henderson could be just even if he's not a
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  Speaker 1: big play, even if he's not a consistent threat, you
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  Speaker 1: need to be ready to prevent him from breaking off
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  Speaker 1: that big play fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: So I kind of think they passed this category, but
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  Speaker 2: it might be by committee behind Brown. You know, it
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  Speaker 2: might not be Brown and Devonte Smith. It might be
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  Speaker 2: Brown and like five other guys that.
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  Speaker 1: Were But I don't think this is something to pass
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  Speaker 1: by committee.
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  Speaker 2: So you don't you don't think you passed this. Gout it.
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  Speaker 1: But but I think they guy they have guys that
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  Speaker 1: can be It's tough.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you gotta make a decision.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think? I say, No, Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you.
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  Speaker 2: I think they have some complimentary pieces behind AJ Brown.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but so that they're saying, we don't
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  Speaker 1: think they can win a super Bowl? Huh, who really
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  Speaker 1: has Like, Okay, that's that's a good question. Who really
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  Speaker 1: has three Tuesday Morning players? I can think one team
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  Speaker 1: off the top of my head, and they can't win
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  Speaker 1: a championship.
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  Speaker 2: That's probably a little much to have three.
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  Speaker 1: Right, The one team I can think of, as the
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: Niners did for a period there. That goes back to
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  Speaker 1: my point about you have of the coach and the quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: but who else has I guess the Dolphins did sort
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  Speaker 1: of right. We're was Hill ever really healthy when a
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  Speaker 1: chan was like at his peak?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not. They probably were ships past.
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  Speaker 1: So they kind of missed it.
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  Speaker 2: Did Like the Bengals are probably pretty close. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: here's the third Chase Brown. They're running back.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a Tuesday Morning player, though he's not bad.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles, the Eagles said three, you might have had four.
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  Speaker 1: They might Uh, the Eagles might have had four, And
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  Speaker 1: I'm going through divisions.
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  Speaker 2: Cowboys CD now I don't know if they have the
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  Speaker 2: third guy. They have two really good ones.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they kind of a revolving door running
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  Speaker 1: back right now? Uh, the Raiders might have two. I
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  Speaker 1: certainly don't have a third, but they might have two
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  Speaker 1: Bowers and genty hang on just going. But now I'm curious.
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  Speaker 1: I was going by divisions. Uh so the the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: and maybe the Cowboys in the NFC East the NFC North.
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  Speaker 1: Do the Vikings, noticing the theme.
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  Speaker 2: Here, they have two? Does Hawkinson count?
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  Speaker 1: Howkinson? Maybe the end of it, But.
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  Speaker 2: We're saying Hawkinson counts, and I think we have to
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  Speaker 2: say Hunter Henry.
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  Speaker 1: I think Hawkinson's a Tuesday Morning player.
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  Speaker 2: Then I think he was. Then I think we have
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  Speaker 2: to say Hunter Henry is too like that. Let me
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  Speaker 2: see what Hunter Henry is? A more productive player?
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  Speaker 1: Is he the big? Yeah? All right, fair enough? I
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  Speaker 1: thought Hawkinson's number I'm going back to like twenty three
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: when he had nine hundred yards. So the Vikings maybe
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: maybe not. The Lions don't. Eh No, the Lions don't.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Jameson Williams isn't I do like James am and raw
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Is Gibbs is I think they might.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I think I might put Jamo in that category just
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: because of his speed, Like.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: If we I think we put James Williams, and we
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: have to put tradon Henderson's.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: That's sort of why I lean towards Henderson. It's because
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: if i'm if I'm preparing for the Patriots, Yeah, and
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Henderson's just to mention that he brings and the big playability,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: that's something that you're talking about right when when thirty
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: two is on the field, we just we can't give
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: up the backbreaker. We can't give up a sixty year
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: touchdown run.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, so wait, so hang on, this is really helpful
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: for this disc ushian. So we have the Eagles, Well
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: we did. I had the Eagles, maybe the Cowboys, maybe
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: the Lions, maybe the Vikings Packers, no Bears.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: No.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Rams or Adam Adam on Falcon. The do the Falcons?
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely, Pitts London Okay, yeah, Panthers, they have nothing else,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: but they have those three those three guys.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Well again, this is the theme I'm noticing. I'll run
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: back on this in a second. The Panthers, No, not yet.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: The Saints. I like Coker, lot he's not. If Coker's in,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: then we're put like three people.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: But I like, I really like him. That's all I'm saying.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: He's a good, complimentary Tuesday Morning. He's a nice little
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: that is a Tuesday Morning player.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Sure is uh?
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Kamara is probably not anymore. So I'm gonna go no
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: for the Saints, I think.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Is probably and we'll see about Jordan Tyson and we'll see.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: About Jordan Tyson. The Bucks did They don't anymore.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: They have Buca, they have Godwin, and they had my Evans,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: they had Mike.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: But they don't. No, I don't think they have a
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: third game. They didn't, so they.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Had somebody right they drafted Ted Hurst?
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, too far. Cardinals don't. I don't think
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Carls have won. Well. I guess we'll see what.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison junior Marvin.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Harris and what's his name there? Running back from oh
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: uh Jordan Love not Love not Jordan Jeremiah Love. But no,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Cardinals don't. Okay, So the Rams have Puka?
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: What what was up with us today?
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: We didn't expect me doing this is literally on the fly.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: The Rams have Puka. Yes, Adams, Adams, do you give
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: a tenny of their tight ends? Williams Kyle Williams, Tuesday
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Morning Player.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's close. He's really good.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I think you know what if it is, if he's close,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: he's not. Okay, So the Rams have two, they have
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: two good ones. They have two. Yeah, the Niners have McCaffrey,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: they have Kittle. I don't really have much left at receiver,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: do they? They did with deebo and Ayuk, but I
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: think they're probably Oh no, they have Mike Evans.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Well now they have Mike Evans. Is Mike Evans still
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: at that level? And I mean Ricky Piersall's if he's held.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: On a Tuesday Morning Player not yet. The Seahawks probably not.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: So they have js N's one.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Js N. I don't think we're counting Cooper Cup at
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: this stage of his career.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: No, but A J.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Barner.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Their tight ends really good.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have some guys that are close and needs closed.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: They don't have the Kenneth Walker anymore. So maybe they
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: did last year. Yeah, But no AFC bills, no Dolphins,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: not anymore.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: We're not We're not giving bills. DJ Moore, Dalton, James.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Cook, James Cooks a Tuesday Morning Player. Okay, I'm just asking, Okay,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the bills in a little bit.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say we we should do
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: this DeAndre and my exercise with the Bills to transition
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: into that.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: That's a good idea.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Dolphins, No, not anymore.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: No, that's one of the worst skill position talent in
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: the league. I think at this point they went from
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: like one of the best of the worst over now
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the Jets do have won, Garrett Wilson.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Actually, Jets might have too. You put breeseall in there.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, Jets have.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Too good for the Jets.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: The Jets, the Omar Cooper junior has the chance. He's
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: not there.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I will see he's not there yet.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: They also have sad now too.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: So all right, so the Jets could get there, but
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: for now they're now.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: The Jets are sneaky good at the skill positions. They
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: got nothing else, but they're sneaky good there. Ravens yes,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Ravens yes. Derrick Henry, Derrick Henry. Who's the receiver?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Say, oh right, say I'll still count Marky injury?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna That's what I meant, not the
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: receiver tight end.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: You still count Mark Andrews. Honestly, with how effective Lamar
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: is with this, I guess count here.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I guess if we're gonna count Hunter Henry, we have
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: to countra.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're counting Hunter Henry, and I don't
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: think we're counting whoever the other one was. Who's the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: other one the other toe Hawkinson Hackinson? All Right, so
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: maybe the Ravens don't the Bengals. Maybe the Browns don't.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: They have those two rookies, though.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: They do have rookies. Steelers definitely don't DK.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: They have DK.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I think that's it.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: They have your boy, Darnell Washington.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Darna watch. I love Darna Watshon not a Tuesday
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Blair his blocking? Might he not a Tuesday player?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Probably not? But the blocking is isn't appealing with the.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Texans, know, it feels like they should. They got a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: bunch of players who are close. But I'm gonna say
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: they're Nico's definitely one. Nico's one for sure, Tank Dell
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: if he's healthy, but he who knows.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think those Iowa State receivers showed me enough.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Not there yet, No, like Dalton Schultz isn't bad, but yeah,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you know, David Montgomery's not bad. But no, like so
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the Texans, no Colts.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Colts might Pierce Taylor.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: They have a third Tyler Warrant, Yeah, Colts, Mike Yeah, Jags, well,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Ryan Tom, whatever the heck they're doing with Brian Thomas
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and Travis Hunter. Travis Hunters on the playing corner. So
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior, I don't think Jacoby's won, and h
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Parker Washington. If Jacoby's one, then Dobbs is one. Yeah,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no on the Jags and the Titans.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: No, the Titans isn't as bad as you think, but no.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Do they have one?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know Calvin Ridley is there anymore? It wasn't
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: one point.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: If you're when when the Patriots played the Titans last year,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: who to Christian z Aalez cover? Yeah, but I'm just saying.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Like, is he gonna cover when they played the Dolphins
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: this year?
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Grass right? Calvin really is three hundred yards last year?
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Did he really?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: We played seven games we had three hundred yards? So
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: also side note in this sexercise, then we can get
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: back to the Patriots. So who did we have? We
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: had the Niners, Yes, we had the Falcons who are
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: now coached by Kevin Stefanski. We had maybe the Vikings
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: shore coached by Kevin O'Connell. We had the Lions formerly
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: of Ben Johnson. We had the Eagles and Nick Sirianni.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: We had the Oh we didn't do the West Chargers,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Chargers Lad McConkey. No, I feel like the Chargers do
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: it more by committee. Yeah, you know, Lamar and Hampton
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: could get there, but no.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like they have a bunch of like
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: eight hundred yards.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: But no, right, we said the Raiders might have two,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: but no, they definitely aren't a third.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Not yet.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: The Chiefs, No, no, they've the Chiefs have won at
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: this point.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker. Yeah, Kenneth Walker.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: If you really wanted to stretch it, you could do
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker, Travis Kelcey and Rashi Rice for she Rice
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: is but that's so many ifs lining up.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Travis Kelsey at this stage is now.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And the Broncos.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they might Wattle Sutton and they've too
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Wattle Sutton. That's so anywhere now they don't.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: What are these teams have in common? Niners, the Falcons,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the Vikings, the Packers, No, not the Packers, the Vikings,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the Lions, the until recently, the who else did we
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: have here? It was a bunch of the Shanahan guys,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the Bolts.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an interesting question, and of like you
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: need so, but the place of the threshold for for
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you know, if we could ask DJ, like, what's his
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: threshold for playmaker? Because ramondre Stevenson makes plays, so Henry
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: makes plays, like Romeo Dobbs is hopefully going to make
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: plays like the only clear cut one they have is
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: aj Brown. The rest of these guys are nice, complimentary players.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: But if Romeo Dobbs is your number one option in
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: your offense and you feel maybe a little lackluster with that, yeah, I.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Go back to So to go back to the original point,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I saying three Tuesday players is probably too high of
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: a bar. Yeah, to do this, because then they're really
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and again of those of those teams we named, just
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to go back real quick and do it again. Do
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the Niners have the quarterback?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: He's good enough, all right?
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about the rest of the life.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's the reason why you win, but
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I don't I think he's good.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Do the falcons of the quarterback?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: No?
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Do the vikings of the quarterback?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: No?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: No, you should not have had to think no, well
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Kyler is there now? No, the Lions have the quarterback again?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: What else is on the list?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah? The who else did we have here? Do the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Colts of the quarterback?
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: No?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Probably not. I I need to see more from Daniel Jones.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: The Ravens do, but they don't have other things. I
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: think that was it for the teams that we like
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: definitively said had three?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Can we so A J. Brown's one?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, A Brown's definitely one.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: For Dobbs, Henry Henderson, Stevenson. This isn't the point of
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the exercise, but I feel like you have to at
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: least give him like some complimentary points.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: If if Ilord just asked me, do the Patriots have
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: three players who consider playmakers? I would say yes, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I would say Brown, Stevenson and Dobbs. Yeah. Just gut
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: check and then you could ask me to find it
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and we would do.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: What we did. We would get into this right.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: If you just asked me when I was preparing for this,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: just gut check, do the Patriots have three playmakers?
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yes they do, but it depends how you differ. But again,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you can get to I think there's if you do
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the three Tuesday players thing, it's too high of a bar.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think one team checks all the box, which,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: by the way, could actually be the correct answer, because
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: we know this. The talent around the league is down,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: so the team the best teams right now are not
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: as good as the best teams of ten years ago.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: So maybe there is something too. It is supposed to
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: be Tuesday players. Nobody fills out the list, but that's
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: because there are no teams that are as good as
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: what the standard used to be. That could absolutely be
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the case.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting question. The semantics thing, I think
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the Eagles come close. Still, well, I think Monte Smith sequon.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: The Eagles have been because there go the last five years,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: there have been a better team in football in the Eagles.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: No.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I know that there's been other teams maybe that higher
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: individual ceilings, but over the last five years, Eagles been
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the best team in football. I I think we might
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: have just stumbled on a separate take, which is and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: not I mean, I've had this take, but just backed
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: it up that there's not the league's just not as
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: good as it was, and that doesn't mean it's gonna
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: suck forever, and that it's not like the it's not
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: like an anti NFL take. It's just the talent's not
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: what it was.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I think in certain areas, I think that there's a
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: lot of good quarterbacks.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: The quarterback talent has gotten better. It's deepen what it was.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a Brady or the top high,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: but I think they're I think more teams have serviceable quarterbacks.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go on to the uh quality offensive lineman. Okay,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: so this one I think is fun too because I
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: feel like I feel confident saying they have two or three,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: and the third one I is a question.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Mark, right, I think they have three.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Morgan, Moses, Mike on Winning I think are check and check. Yes,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: both quality offensive line. And we're not talking about future
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Hall of famers. We're just talking about I was.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Actually gonna say, Mike go and win win Will Campbell.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: So you think Will Campbell is already in the quality
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: offensive lineman category.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Before he got hurt last year, he was what the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: fifteenth ranked left tackle in football?
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: He was above average.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: That's is that not a quality offense?
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: So then the third guy that I had on the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: list was Vera Tucker. I think when Vera Tucker is healthy,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: he's a quality.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: So I had Campbell, Mose Campbell on Windhu and then
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Moses if he's healthy.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I had Campbell, Wilson, lomu In like a
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: not on the list, but they're young bucks, those guys. Campbell,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: if he has a good year this year, I might
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: put him on.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I'll give you. I wasn't even considering Vera Tucker because
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I think the injuries are such a question mark. But
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: if Vera Tucker's healthy, yes, Vera Tucker Moses in on
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: when who for sure are assuming health? Those are three
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: guys where you questioned health. But if we're just doing ability,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: those are probably their three offensive lineman where you at
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: least questioned the ability. I think those three guys can
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: certainly play.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Certainly just based off off of proven NFL snaps, right
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: like proven consistency in the league. Those three guys went healthy,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: have played at that level, So I would say they
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: checked that box. Now, which if I asked you this
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: two years ago, how many quality offensive linemen to the
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Patriots have on when it would probably be the one
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: guy that we could say in twenty twenty four was
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: a quality offensive Lineman. I think the rest of them,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: we would say no from twenty four yeah, yeah, maybe
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: even last year we'd have Moses, we'd have on Wenu
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: where we have a third.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I think Bradbury was quality.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Do you think Bradberry was quality? Okay, all right, so
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I think they checked that box. I actually think they
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: have depth at that box. Now, Like I think you
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: made the argument for Campbell, I brought up Vera Tucker
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: like Jared Wilson takes his eleap at center like he
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: could be in this conversation, lo Mus obviously waiting in
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: the wings in this conversation too. That's one of the
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: deeper spots suddenly for them in this conversation. All right,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: let's move over to the defense. Pass rusher. So we're
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: assuming that the definition to hear a pass rusher is
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: a sack ten per like a guy off the edge
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: that's going to sack the quarterback, not an interior disruptor, right,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that would be in the playmaker category. So it's two
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: pass rushers. I'm gonna give them. Draymond Jones. I think
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Draymond Jones is a solid veteran NFL edge rusher. I'm
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: not wowed by him, but I think it's.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna set that bar ten Sacks. I'm gonna
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: say no. So no, So we need to rewind. The
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Cardinals might have three Tuesday Morning players. We goofed big time.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: They have Jeremiah Love, Marvin Harrison Junior, and.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: They might have the best tight end. That's how forgettable
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals are. I'm not playing for that, but
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: if Jeremiah Love hits, yeah, Cardinals might have three Tuesday
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Morning players. It's kind of crazy. It is funny how
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: quarterback the Cardinals.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Some of the teams that we named there, like the
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Cardinals to an extent, the Colts. Yeah, well there was
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: another one that I was thinking of that applied here.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: A lot of those teams have.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Like just this, oh Atlanta, Yeah, they have just just
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: the three elite playmakers and nothing, and.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Like they're great for fantasy, Like everybody's gonna draft the
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: crap out of Falcons playmakers and fantasy football. How many
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: wins is that going to amount to?
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Not a lot?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Not a lot? That that's an interesting point of view
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: with that. So you're not giving them Draymond Jones. So
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: if you're not giving them Draymond Jones, then they don't
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: have this pass rusher box checked off at all.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I think their best chance is for Harold Landry to
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: be healthy, because he's probably a ten sack guy last
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: year if he's healthy. But I have my questions about that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: So Draymond Jones gay back as Harold Landry are probably
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: their best chances. And we don't even know what's going
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: on with Akis at this point.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if Acus or Landry was healthy, i'd
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: say yes. I think still think Jones is a complimentary rusher.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's a guy you build a pass
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: rush around. He's a good player, and if everybody's healthy,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: he's you know, he makes sense in that role. I
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: worry about him getting elevated to too big of a
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: role because Acis and Landry aren't available.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: So you don't you have Landry as a better player
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: potentially than Draymond Jones.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: If he's fully healthy. I have my doubts about him
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: being fully healthy.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I guess Draymond Jones was on my
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: list because of the consistency, like he's going to be available,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: he's going to play, he's not hurt.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like again, like I said, ed, when we started.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: This, he's not enough of an impact player for you,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Anybody's what exactly does it say in Jeremi Sweet is
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: pass rusher? Yes, I mean Elijah Ponder is a pass rusher.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Right, but well he's talking I think about impact.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Play, right, So my mind goes to ten sacks tas
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: like more there call it call it nine more than
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: a sack a game, so I guess, or more than
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a sack every other game. I guess, uh no, Draymond
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Jones highs seven. So that's that's ten games without a
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: sack over the course of the season. I think to
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: be an impact pass rusher, you have to get a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: sack more often than he don't fair enough.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: So I think that that's the most glaring sort of
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: crack in this foundation for the Patriots, as we probably
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: knew before we did it.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: And again, if if Landry's healthy, or if they make
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: a move for a guy like Thibodeau or whatever like that,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: can they get Thibodeau? I checked that box. I think Thibdeau,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: he doesn't emphatically check it, but he checks it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: So the place where they do check the boxes I
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: think are defensive playmaker. So I actually think they have
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: a surplus here in Gonzales, Yeah, Milton Williams, Christian Barmore,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I think are the three guys that are definitely this YEP.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I think Kevin Byard. Kevin Byard's in this conversation. I
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: think Robert Splaine is in this conversation. I think Marcus
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Jones might be in.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I think, honestly, the rest of their defense besides.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I think Woods, if he plays like he did in
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, might be in this.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Conversation the entire defense, besides pass rush.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Right, So they they have three clear cut blue chip
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: playmakers on defense with Gonzales, Williams, and Barmore.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Though I Byared wasn't all pro last year, I was years.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I'd still call him blue chip. From what we saw
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: last year, I'd still call him blue chip.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I call him a red chip like level below the
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: blue like it's not we're not illegally.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: But I put Barmore below him. I dropped Barmore.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Do you think barbar is the worst player at his position?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: He's been more inconsistent when he's on he's at that level,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: but we've seen him be up into eat. He has
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: quiet stretches. He's dominant, but he's quiet stretched.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: So this is maybe a little unfair to Barmore, but
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, post blood clots, but Barmore has not
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: been the same guy.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's that and that, and that's not his
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: fault at all.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: You know, that's not knocking him for it. But the
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Christian Barmore, that was, you know, sacking.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: The best player on that team.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know we had to retire him from
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: three up, three down, eight and a half sacks he
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Quinn Minors in Denver, remember in his lunch two sacks
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: in that game on Christmas Eve. Like that Barmore, the suddenness,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: his flexibility, his bend and just sort of his fluidity.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Right now, I feel like Barmore is playing pretty upright
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: and pretty stiff. Old Barmore, I feel like was a
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: little bit looser with his movements. Hopefully he can get
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: back to that kind of guy, yeah, because then he's
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: more Milton william Z than he is you know what
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: is now? But I think that they checked that box
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: pretty easily playmaker. I think it just a question is
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: how many of them do they have right and is.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: It enough to offset the issues with the pass rush.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Right, So let's count the players. So they have they
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: need twelve? Right, they have may they have aj Browne.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Are we giving them Remandre Did we decide on that? Yeah,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Remondre Stevenson, Morgan, Moses, mike on Winu. Now we're at
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: five offensive line. You had Campbell, I had arre At Tucker.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: So I guess we'll giving them a sixth somewhere.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Somewhere in there. Six and then we're giving them Gonzales, Williams,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Barmore or whatever.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Can we give them extra from there and make up
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the difference?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: So they have nine out of twelve spots right now,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: what we're looking at is maybe a little bit more
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: firepower at the playmaker positions and pass rushers true edge rush,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you know, pass rush off the edge, so close, they're
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: a lot closer than they were.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Should we go back to uh twenty four? Jonah for
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the sake of how much they added? We counted rookie
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Drake May.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I mean what we know of him now, sure, but
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we're counting him as rookie.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Right, uh, Antonio Gibson, Trell Jennings, Rmandra Stevens and Javon Baker,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne, Kaishawan, Boody Tomorrow, Douglas, Jalen Polk, Jahem Bell, Hunter, Henry,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Austin Hooper, Jack west Over, any playmakers Remandre yep, so
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: it's one.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I think Hunter, Henry to.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Two offensive line. We can just probably because even on
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Whn who did not have a good year.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: If it was just on, if it was anybody.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Uh, I think that's right. They didn't even have Judon
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: was gone at that so they real didn't have a
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: pass rush like ke On White, No d trip wise,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: no defensive playmakers. I guess Gonzales still on. John Jones.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I like John Jones, but I don't know if he's
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: like Count Duggar.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: No, Pepper's maybe then that season Pepper's played well twenty
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: four Yeah, no, twenty four the season was gone half
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: the year.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Oh twenty three was the year he played. Yeah no, yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: so this is the end of the year roster. So
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Barbour was on IR, Joe Bettley was on IR. Sneppers
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: was on IR.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So even if we gave them bar More off of IR.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: About four guys, maybe four or five, yes, and at
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: nine and we're night and probably more we're capped at
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: three on defense, but we acknowledge that there is more
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and we I think the playmaker line we drew was
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: pretty tough that we grew. We drew a pretty high bar.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: So they're they're they're they're getting close. I like the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: exercise though. I like those types of exercises. I know
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah shares Belichick's scouting notes all the time too, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: these sort of foundational exercises like that, They're close. I
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: think pass rusher is the one gap they need to
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: really fill, as we know, and we'll see, We'll see
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: if Romeo Dobbs can elevate to true playmaker status. Yeah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and Henderson, I would say too. You know Romandre and Henry.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I think we kind of know who they are. Yeah,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: maybe Henderson, maybe Dobbs. Are you ready to talk about
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the Bills?
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Ye?
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Reduced with the Bills.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: They do the quarterback.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: They do have a quarterback.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think they have three playmakers.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: So we're not giving them Dj Moore, No, but we are.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Giving like six hundred yards last year.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: But we are giving them James give James Cook.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I would probably give them Kincaid before I gave them more.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: But I'm not. Actually no, I'll give them two. I'll
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: give them cook and I'll give them Shakuiir.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Oh right, we forgot about your car.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll give them cooking, Shakira or two. I
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: don't think King Kaid's there, and I don't think more
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: is there.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I think Kinkaid's too situational guy that only really plays
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: in the passing game. DJ Moore will see if he
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: has his career renaissance with Buffalo or not. Knox is
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: like a more well rounded tight end than Kincaid, but
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: he's not up the pass that level. Yeah, that needs
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: to be here, and that's pretty much it. But we
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: forgot about Shaquir So Shakiir James Cook. Yeah, nothing after that.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Offensive line they definitely have.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: They have Dawkins is regressing but can still do it.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Censor Brown when healthy, can still do it. Yeah, and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Torrents Frence.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: They did lose David Edwards, who I think is an
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: important player for them, but their offensive line is really good.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Defensively, it's dark dark And this was a conversation that
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I wanted to bring up in the picture. Last year
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: they were twentieth in DVOA. On defense, they did not
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: stop Bo Nixon or that bradcas offense in that playoff game.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I know that the way the game ended, Josh Allen's
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: turnovers are a big part of that as well why
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: they lost that game.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you for admitting that.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: But the defense I would say was really just couldn't
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: get a stop at all in that game. Either, they're
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: completely kind of rebuilding this defense.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Pass rusher you count Bradley Chubb at this point.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: No, I think Bradley Chub's way over the hill. But
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: I would give them Greg Russo.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: So, okay, so they have the pass rusher with Rousseau.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: They have won they needed too.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Is that what the thing is? Yes, the Patriots definitely
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: don't have it either. We're just looking for one. No,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: we need to Okay, so they've Russell, that's one.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they know Bradley Chubb, but just Bradley Chubb might
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: be one of the worst free agent contracts of the offense.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Is he the latest? What it was Bosa was Vaughn
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Miller was yeah, yeah, So no on the pass rusher
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: and then who I mean, I'll give him at Oliver.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: At Oliver Benfort's a really good player at corner.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll give Benford.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: But their safety group right now is regressing, you know, CJ.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson at this stage, and I don't know, they
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: don't have that hide and employer thing going on anymore
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: that they once did.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: So do you give him degon Walker? It was pretty
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: good last year we played.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: He's pretty good for his role. You know, he's a
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: nose tackle. Uh No, I Terre Bernard at metal linebacker?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Might be he's a he's a really solid linebacker. Like
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: if we're going to give the Patriots Roberts plane, we
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: probably haven't given them.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Not gonna Okay, So then so so what is this?
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: So that gives him one? Two, three, four, five, six,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: seven eight?
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: They have two on D three on defense?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Quarterbacks?
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Fo?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are we giving them shack here?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I think we have to give him an eight? They
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: have eight and the Patriots have nine.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: All right, So that that I think that's an accurate representation.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: There you go. See that was fair and balanced, wasn't it.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, But you've been saying the Bills better than the Patriots.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: So here here's my big picture take on the Bills,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: and we'll go a little bit deeper on some of
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: these things. So at this point, this is gut check
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: time for Buffalo. This is rubber meets the time.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Were they not like two years ago?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: No, Josh Allen just turned thirty years old.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I mean it was two years ago, but continue, Josh
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Allen just.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Turned thirty years old. They changed head coaches to try
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: to ignite this thing.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, try to start this thing.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the word is, to try to
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: get over the hump, to try to get this team
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: further in the playoffs. Sean McDermott, though, for all of
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: his faults, Sean McDermott gave them a floor that you
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: knew they were going to be a ten plus win team,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: probably with the Josh Allen Sean McDermott bills. We don't
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: know what the floor is with Joe Brady because Joe
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Brady has never coached as a head coach in the NFL,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: So his floor could be six games, it could be ten,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: it could be twelve. We don't know. What we do
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: know is Sean McDermott's ceiling was not good enough. It
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: was at most they made it to an AFC Championship
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: game during the COVID year. They got their doors blown
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: off in that game, and we're not competitive and have
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: not advanced past a divisional round since. So this is
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: a big, big swing for Buffalo. But I think one
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: that do you agree was necessary to finally move on
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: from McDermott.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I think it was necessary to move on for McDermott.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I think replacing him with Joe Brady defeats the purpose
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: of why it was necessary, So you would have replayed
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: they need an outside higher, they needed an outside higher.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I think part of the problem was internal. I think
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: it was too much reliance on Josh Allen. I think
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: it was a neglect of the rest of the roster.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I think it was a play style tailored towards Josh
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: is going to do everything and he's just no quarterback.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Is that good for them to ask Josh Allen to
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: do everything they're doing. Keep out of criticizing Josh Allen here,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I want that to be clear. And I just think
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Joe Brady as somebody as the offensive coordinator who probably
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: enabled that. And I don't know how much that changes,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: and for I don't know that Josh Allen has a
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: problem with the entire city of Buffalo being put on
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: his shoulders. I think what they needed is somebody who
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: told him that that can't be the case. There was
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: also some stuff about how much did he know ahead
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: of time about them moving on for McDermott, how much
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: was he involved in the Higher. The whole thing felt
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: like they fired McDermott because they needed they knew they
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: needed to, but they didn't have a plan.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I think that they might have fired McDermott in a
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: reactionary way. And I say might have because I don't
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: know this for a fact, cover the pillows. I'm not there.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: But it felt reactionary to how dramatic of a playoff loss.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: That was, So I would go the other well, maybe.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: And I just feel like they felt like they needed
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: to do something.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: But I think the fire was firing was justified at
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: a certain point.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: We especially the way he resolved himself that after the
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: game was not great, but calling reporters from the team
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: playing to vent more about the officiating at the end
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: of the game was.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: But I actually think what was reactionary was the Higher.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I think Buffalo got really attached, like the fan base
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: got really attached Sean McDermott because the team had been
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: so bad for so long. He made them relevant. The
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: fan base freaked out ownership saw them freaking out and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: it's well, no, it's like he's still here because look,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: it's this guy who he picked, who was right here
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: with them, and that's not what they needed. An outside voice,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: a complete change they needed. Yes, they needed to overhaul.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's not exactly apples to apples
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: because the roster is different. When the Patriots went from
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Belichick to Mayo, they got kind of stuck in this
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: halfway point of is this a new regime or is
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: this just the same stuff with a different face. And
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I and the Patriots not the only organization. A number
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: of organizations have done that, and I just don't think
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: that's a healthy place to be. I think they needed
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: to go. My my bigger issues who they replaced McDermott
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: with the moving on from I think it was Tom
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: from him, they needed to do better in replacing them.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think it was time to move on
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: from him because they there's just too much failure in
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. At some point, you had you.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Have one of there has to be accountability.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you have one of, if not the best
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: quarterback in the league. He's not going anywhere. It's not
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen's problem this is figuring out the right collection
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: of people around Josh Allen. I think the one thing
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: that bothered me about McDermott's exit was I felt like
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: the bigger culprit for their failure this year and even
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: the last two years has been the decaying of the roster.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah so there, but they kept but they kept the
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: GM and they're that thing too. Yes, they should have
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: fired both and they should have gone outside the or so.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying about keeping Joe Brady, I
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: forgot about the Bean thing. That's a good point. Is
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: probably a symptom of because he's one of Bean's got
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: he was with Bean in in Carolina, right.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they overlapped, but they both.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: There's got to be an overlap there somewhere. Well.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I think the thing would with Brady was just to
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: let's not mess with the Josh Allen recipe.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: And but the Josh Allen recipe I'm saying is what's
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: broke is a part of what's broken.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: But they're gonna be on paper and I don't see
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: any reason why they won't be. The Bills are gonna
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: have one of the best offenses in the league like
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen, Shakir Kincaid, James Cook, that offensive line, the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: same scheme that they'd be running. They're gonna be one
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: of the top five offenses in the NFL in scoring.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: No doubt their defense, like I said earlier, twentieth and
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Dvoa on defense, and I don't really think that they've
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: really done a ton unless you really believe in like
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Bradley Chubb and d Alford and CJ. Gardner. Johnson is
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: my grades.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: It's all tailored towards Josh Allen when you need a
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: more well rounded team.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: And I just don't think enough is being Maybe it
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: is being talked about in Buffalo, but I don't think
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: enough is being talked about how much their roster defensively age.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Because talking about that is to acknowledge that Josh Allen's
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: not perfect, and people refuse to do that.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I just think that we're pointing the blame in wrong
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: directions at times.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Like No, if the offense is fine and the defense
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: has been left to rot, why would you not bring
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: in somebody with the specialty on defense.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Or why would you know just be better at adding
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: talent on defense, Like I don't.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Know well, both are true.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't know when you look at their defense,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: when you remember their defense for US, it's Milano, it's Edmunds,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: it's Trey White, it's those types of players. It's a
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Poyer and Micah Hyde at safety. That was like the
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: foundation of their defense when they really started get rolling
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: with Josh Allen at twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, it was
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: that group, and they were just as good defensively as
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: they were offensively at that point in time. Now, none
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of those guys are there anymore. Right, They've completely tried
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: to tearn over the roster there, and I just don't
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: know if they've done the great job of it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Because again, so I guess to bridge what we're saying,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I guess firing McDermott was a half measure. Yeah, and
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I they should.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: The fact that they didn't just clean house, right is
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I think a little bit of fear of that floor
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: of like we have this franchise quarterback.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Is it that floor or they thought they were going
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: to upset Josh Allen.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Both. I think that they had this quarterback, the franchise
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: you know, star quarterback, and Josh Allen. They didn't want
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: to upset him too much and rock the boat with
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: him too much. They also didn't want to set him
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: up to fail, and all of a sudden, he's got
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: a coach in a GM that's new and maybe not
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: ready for it or not the right higher and now
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: you're going really back.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: So instead they kept everything the same and and got
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: rid of McDermott. Right, that's not that big of a
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: change at the end of the day. I don't think No,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think so either.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Now, the one thing schematically I would just point to to.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: You know, obviously, offensively they're going to be exactly the same.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: But Joe Brady tires Jim Leonard from Wisconsin, from Denver
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: as the defensive coordinator, they're going to be a totally
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: different defense. And I mentioned that group of players that
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: we got accustomed to seeing in Buffalo, Alex. We also
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: got to accustomed to seeing four to three over nickel
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: for them for like ten years. Right, McDermott ran the
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: same zone based defense for three over front base nickel defense.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: That was their defense for the entire mcdermoty era. Jim
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Leonard runs a three four. He runs a very different system.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a lot more some of
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: the scheme bells and whistles on defense, some of the
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: newer ideas, newer innovations on defense as well. But it
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: will be interesting to see how some of their personnel
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: translates to a true odd front, three four defense. Like
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Ed Oliver is not going to be all the time
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: a true three technique anymore. Now he's gonna play like
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: as a defensive end, you know, a three four end.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: You know guys like you know their linebackers. They bring
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: in Rousseau, they bring in Bradley Chubb to kind of
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: be like stand up like Willie McGuinness, you know those
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: types of linebackers. You know that that's gonna be a
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: different model. I'm so used to seeing Buffalo in a
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: four down front, and they're not gonna be in a
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: four down front anymore. So that's gonna be very, very different.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: They're in an interesting spot. They're they're in a I
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: hear what you're saying about their roster and about their
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: direction that they're going in. I think Josh Allen gives
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: them a floor that's pretty high. I think they're gonna
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: be one of the best offenses in football. It's gonna
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: be the rest of it, just like it has been
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: coaching defense. How it comes down to it in late
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: game situations where where do you.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: And just say, Josh Allen can only cover up for
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: You can only cover up so much. He is always
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: balanced and part of what makes him so fun to
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: watch is part of this. But he's always had to
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: balance and I think Drake May is going through this
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: right now. You have to walk that line of when
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: to put the superman cap on and when to just
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: play conventional, safe football. Yeah, and it tends to happen
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: with Josh Allen that he starts to play Superman football
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: when they're pressing and they're in a playoff game like
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: they were last year in Denver, and it's not the
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: best of him. It doesn't bring out the best in
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: him when he does that. Yes, the plays are individually,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: some of those plays are really cool. The underhand flips
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: and the scrambles and running through guys and things like that.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: All those things are cool to watch, but they're volatile.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: He turns the ball over, he starts to get reckless.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: You know, he has that turnover before halftime in the
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: game against Denver that was just terrible. You know, you
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: just can't do that. That's always going to be one
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: of those things with him. I think all the quarterbacks
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: that are as toolsy as he has. I think the
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: one that I remember from like the beginning part of
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: our football lexicon is probably like Brett Favre right, you know,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: like when do you know when to You don't need
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: to bring the you know, the big guns to every
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: single fight, Like sometimes you just want to hit singles.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: You don't always have to hit home runs. He's always
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: walked that line. So we didn't argue too much about it. No,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like we're in a similar spot. You still
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: feel like.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: You just acknowledge potential aggression, which you wouldn't do the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: other week.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was probably doing it just to mess with you.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Probably how many wins you think Buffalo has.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Ten or eleven somewhere in there.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give I was gonna say eleven or twelve.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a little higher than you on that,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: But similar spot. All right, We're gonna take a quick break.
• 52:31
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• 52:32
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• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Instead of build out hang on, Well there, people are
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  Speaker 1: making them every day. It's build a quarterback, so it
• 56:11
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of all right, So so far we have
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  Speaker 1: Joe Milton's arm, Jalen Milro's legs, Jalen Hurts build, Tyrod
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Taylor's leadership, and Cam Ward's playmaking.
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  Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor's.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got Tyrod Taylor. I'd already used my respend.
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  Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor's all of a sudden, just this big time
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady esque leaders going up down.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I have to use eighth in calliac manus who Yeah,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I'll use pocket presidence exactly.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I don't even know who that is.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford processing or vision for Matthew Stafford.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: What's the difference.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It gives his vision an A plus,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: So I'll go. I'll go that last one forty nine
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: ers mac Jones processing, So here we go mac Jones processing,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Joe Flacco's accuracy, Joe Milton's arm, Jalen Milrose legs, Stafford's vision, Tyrod,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Taylor's leadership, cam Ward's playmaking, Jalen Hurts build, and eighth
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: in caliac manus his pocket presence. So then you put
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: him on a team. So this is gonna put him
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: on the Steelers, and then you sim him the season
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: and it's still they're still gonna go eight. Yeah, they
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: went nine and I went nine and eight and they
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: missed the playoffs.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: They are the perfect the stats.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Though, third nine hundred yards, twenty six touchdowns, thirteen picks,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: seven hundred rush yards, eight rushing touchdowns, forty five sacks.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Thanks eighth in calliack Man.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: That was fun, do you I think is the reason
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: why they won nine games. Taylor's leadership, He just for
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: your honor, those entire So it gives grades for each
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: his best grade leadership.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: They gave him a B. They give him a B.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: He has a B for leadership. That's not my worst grade.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Joe mac Jones processing was worse and eighthan calliyg Manus's
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: pocket press funny.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get to these calls because guys have
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: been waiting. Patty's an aguan. What's up, Patty?
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: What's going on? Jens?
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: How we doing.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: Doing good today? So Alex, I wanted to let you
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: know first, first off, I headed twenty and oh and
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: I won't I won't get into the lineup because you know,
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: nobody wants to hear that. But Brian had submitted on
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: Pet's pulpit. I don't know if it's okay if I
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: bring those those guys up, of course on the show.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: But a mail bag question. The mail bag question I
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: had you guys were kind of covering it to start
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: the show, and that is and I'll pose it to
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: you guys. Do you do you think you know, just
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: throw it out there, yes or no? A simple close
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: ended question. Do you think May does take a leap
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: another little leap this year? You know, being in the
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: same offensive system for the second year in a row,
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: probably a better offensive line. You got to kind of
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: bank on that. Wilson and and and Campbell are going
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: to have jumps, even if they're slight, you know, and
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: if he does, you know, can you see them or
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: can you see him kind of carrying the defense in
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: a couple of games only because the one thing I'm
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: very still worried about is I know variable said he's
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: not worried about the edge, but we have a great
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: cornerback room you can't cover forever. We're gonna have to
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: get pressure on the quarterback. And do you see like
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: them just throwing together a crazy offense where they have
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: to like outscore a couple of good teams here and there,
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: and I'll take it off there.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks for the call. I think that's a good
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: way of putting it, you know, other than I brought
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: up the sacks earlier and maybe getting those numbers down
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: a little bit. But I also think that it's kind
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: of when it happens to like, can you win a
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: game thirty eight thirty five against Josh Allen? Can you
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: win a game? You know? Right now, he's only I
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: believe the Baltimore comeback is technically the only comeback that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: he's ever had in the second half of a game.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Can you win games in clutch moments? Can you go
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: on those game winning drives, you know, consistently and have
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: one of those years where you have three or four
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: of them. You know, if you need to against these
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: good teams, he's going to be tested in those ways
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: more than he was last year. Last year they were
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: just better than most of the teams that they were playing.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: It's I think that that's another part of it that's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more intangible. You know, we do
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: have stuff that measures fourth quarter comebacks, game winning drives,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: but really it's more intangible of the feel of the game.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Like this game was a shootout and Drake May was
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: able to outshoot Josh Allen or they were they played
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Detroit in U in Germany and he's able to win
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: thirty five thirty two against Jared Goffin, Jim Jamior Gibbs
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: and I'm on Ross Saint Brown and a really good
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Detroit offense. Those are the things that I think are
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: fair in terms of leaps, you know, things you might
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: be looking for in terms of leaps.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: You know. The other stuff I think is is more tangible,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: but that that's might be a little bit into intangible.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: You know, how do you measure clutch?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, he's gonna have to get there eventually,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Like if you want to if he's gonna take this
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: step and be that MVP is gonna have together. I
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: do think another year in the offense helps, not just
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: because of familiarity, but he's gonna be able to take
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: another step in it. No real NFL offense in full
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: can be learned in a year like As these guys
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: stay in the system, more and more gets put on
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: their plate. He really hasn't been able to do that.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Now he's gonna have a chance, which is gonna put
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: more tools at his disposal, which is gonna help them.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. I think last year, and I brought this
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: point up at some point along the way here, I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: did start to see, especially in the playoffs, some repid
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: tiss to their offense a couple of different ways, just
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: route concepts. They'd started to run a lot of the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: same route concepts over and over again. The other thing
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: that my buddy Nate Tice on Twitter was talking a
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: little bit about the other day, they started to get
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: repetitive a little bit with their pass protection plan. They
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: were kind of sliding the pass protections in the same
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: directions every single time. They were having the half slide
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: side to his arm side and then man to man
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: on the backside, and I think teams like Seattle started
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: to pick up on that and they started adding blitzers
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: onto where the protection was vulnerable. And like having multiple
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: answers to protections like that is sort of part of
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: that next maturation for him, where Okay, we need to
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: add a body to the slide side. We're going to
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: slide for and keep one here man to man backside
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: because they're showing pressure off that side. Or you know,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: the running back is dual reading in the backfield, he
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: can't big if they bring both of their edges, you know,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: their nickels, their corners, they can't bock both of them right,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: So you know, we're gonna slide one way, We're gonna
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: keep the running back the other way. And that's how
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: we're going to pick it up. Like those are the
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: types of things that I think are are part of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: helping him. If you want to talk about things that
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: he xes and knows whise can do to be better,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: that would probably be it, and then that would be
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: a big picture would help him in the long run.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Andrews in West Roxbury, what's up? Andrew?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: Hey, what's going on?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Fellows?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: How we do.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 12: I'm good, I'm good. Like, I think everyone is pretty
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 12: excited about Drake May's second second season and A J.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 12: Brown coming to town, but I know you guys have
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 12: mentioned I'm really.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: Excited about the the prospect of unlocking the run game
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: just because it really seemed like Drake and the offense
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: got really one dimensional last year and and the clutch
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: thing that you're just talking about really worries me a lot.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: So I'm I'm big, big excited for for hopefully running
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: kind of like mid two thousd when Brady was here
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: and like le Garrett Blunt thinking that year where they
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: they ran the ball I think more than anyone in
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: the league, and that kind of brings me well, and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: and play action uh taking place there as well, But
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: that kind of brings me just to something I wanted
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: to leave you with, which was a cross sports metaphor saw.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: I'm a tennis player, and what what that kind of
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: run game pass game thing reminds me of is like
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: the forehand backhand trade off. So if you imagine like
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: a player who just has this crushing forehand but a
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: really kind of weak backhand, well all of his opponents
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: are just going to hit it to his backhand, So
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: you might have a good forehand, but it's not effective.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 12: So that the way you really get your forehand a
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 12: lot more effective is you know, might be counterintuitive, but
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 12: you get your backhand a lot better, and that that
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 12: kind of balance is at your game. So I wanted.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: To give you that and take it off the air.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Yeah, thanks, and thanks for the call. Yeah,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: that's good. That's a good comparison. I think, you know,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: what are some of the things that Mike Rabel has
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: talked about with the running game, which I think is
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: still ring true. Last year they had a lot of
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: big runs, especially from Treyvon Henderson. So they ended up
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: finishing fourteenth in yards per carry average. They had four
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: point four yards to carry. It's fourteenth in the NFL.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: You know, above average, you know, decent to go nerd
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: on you. They were twenty fifth and EPA per rush
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: because EPA accounts for situation right down a distance score
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: of the game, that sort of thing, so they were
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: The yards per carry number gets inflated by the big runs.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: The EPA number is taking how successful they were on
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: a down to down to basis. To put it in
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Rabel's terms, that's yeah, we had some big plays, but
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: we didn't have consistency to the run, right. So the
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: number I'm looking for two numbers with their run game,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: their EPA per rush, that's got to be better than
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: twenty fifth. Their power success rate which is short yarded situations,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: goal line, you know, fourth and one third, one first
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: and goal from the one yard line. They were twenty
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: fifth in that metric as well. So can they be
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: better more consistent? Can they be better consistently early downs?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Can they be better in short yardage? Can they be
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: better goal line running team? There were times last year,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Alex that they were frankly just a bad low red
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: zone goal line offense. They couldn't run the ball in.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a good chunk.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember in Tampa when Vidavea and they tried
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: to run in four straight times. I think they finally
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: got it on that digs like fade to the back
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: of the end zone. It was ridiculous catch. Those are
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: the types of things that were happening a little bit
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: too much last year underneath the hood. So I'm a
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: little bummed out about Julian Hill, Like, I think that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: does take a hit this whole thing with that, But
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: they still got Reggie Gilliam. I think the hope is
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: that that's going to help a lot having that full back.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: But that's the one good thing I would say about
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: things like success rate and EPA. That's really pointing to
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: the consistency that my Rabel's talking about. Whereas if you
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: just look at raw yards per carry, they were decent
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: or fourteenth in the league.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: That's not terrible.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: So I think that's that's a good sort of thing.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: And yeah, if they can be more consistent running the football,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: they can run the ball better situationally, that's only gonna
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: help the offense inherently. I'm still a past to score,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: run to win kind of guy, but I think that
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: those situations matter. Can you run the ball in on
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: the goal line? Can you if you need a yard
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: on third and one? Can you pick up a yard?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Those are big things that win and lose football games.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: DC is in New Hampshire. What's up, DC, bet guys.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: I got a prediction and a question for you.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: My prediction is.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: That Traveon Henderson is going to be one of the
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: Daniel Jeremiah three playmakers by the end of the season.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: I think he's on the James White path.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: And my question is I was just curious.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: I was listening to check the mic podcast. One of
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: the dudes, I think the bald Ones talking about Brandon
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: Thoresby and with advice thing saying, hey he should it's
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: it's not worth his time to pursue maybe playing a
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: year in the CFL or the UFL, which kind of
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: surprised me. So, I guess sorry to take it away
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: from the Patriots, but I kind of got a broad
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: question here is what is the scouting looking like for
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: from an NFL perspective in looking at those alternative leagues
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: as opposed to the college level. Is there that much
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: difference of a talent gap?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 13: Do scouts look at that at.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: The same level of play.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't know.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: I don't want to derail us with Brandon soursy talk,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: but you know, do you have it's worth his time
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: to go into a league like that? So just curious
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: on your thoughts on that.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: Guys.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for the call. DC. Yeah, I agree
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: with him with Henderson. I think out of that group
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: that we mentioned Henry Dobbs Henderson, I give Henderson maybe
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: the best chance to break out into that playmate category
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: just because of the explosiveness, but the stores be questioned. No,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: I'm more than happy to talk about it. He's fascinating.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: It's a fascinating story. I think it's we can roughly
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: make it patriots of Jason. Where the jet's going to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: be interested, Where the Dolphin's going to be interested. Two
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: teams in the division that he quarterbacks a long term
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: and might have kicked the tires on that in terms
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: of his short term. You know how they scout. It's
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: an interesting question, but it's just your overall take on
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: what happened is going on.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the league doesn't want to touch
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: the unknowns of the gambling stuff because there still could
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: be like aside from the NCAA stuff, there could be
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: legal ramifications here.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: The NFL, you know that statement they put out of
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: that letter they wrote to him where they mentioned that
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: he didn't give them enough time to research like they
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: On one hand, they should have been doing their research
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: the whole time, they should know this was coming. But no,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: he didn't really give a ton of heads up and
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily show attrition, which I or he didn't
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: come across as accountable, which has been part of the
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: issue through rout this, and he talked about, you know,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: he went to rehab and it's a mental condition, and
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: he had an addiction and he went and worked through that,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: which is good and healthy, and it's a good thing
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: he did that. But I think people are also looking
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: for some accountability, which has been a question here. So
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: I think he's just too hot of a potato right now,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: especially when you get to the gambling thing, which we
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: know is kind of a The NFL is between a
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: rock and a hard place on that one. They'll know
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: more in April and they're gonna have to I don't
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: think he's gonna get banned from the league. I don't
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: think pending more coming out. I don't think we're gonna
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: get to a point where he declares for the draft
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: next year and they say no. But they bought themselves
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: a year to find out more. They bought a year
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: for just more to play out, and it makes sense,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: and it's on. You know, he mentioned that he might
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: sue the league for not holding a supplemental draft. I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: don't think that would be a very good idea on
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: his part. You know, maybe if he makes it really contentious,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: it becomes a bigger issue. But now the question is,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: you're right, what does he do for you? He can't
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: go back and play college football, that's off the table.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody emailed there, called in to PU. Yeah, the
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Canadian Football League is already like three or four weeks.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: This is what is going to be interesting, and this
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: is where I think there's maybe some missed opportunities. The
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: guy that owns the UFL. Yeah, and I'm trying to
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: remember his name here, he's like a big venture CAVL guy.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: It's not the Rock, it's one of the guys that
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: works with the Rock. Mike Repol. So, Mike Repoll tweeted
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: out yesterday inviting Brendan Soresby essentially to the UFL and said,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I have right here. Welcome to the UFL, Brendan Soresby.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: The UFL is the league of opportunity. We created our
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Regional Player Initiative to keep great players closer to home,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: close to their fans, and on the field. Let's do this.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the UFL. Renegade is the team in Dallas.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Have your people call my people. I have long said
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: the Spring lead I think we've talked about on this show.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: I would love to see the Spring League be a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: thing where players who are borderline draftable or questions about
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: injuries or otherwise. So there's going to be a great case.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: It starts after the Super Bowl and it runs through
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: like a week or two before the draft, and it's
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: basically an alternative to the pre draft process. And it's
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: all right, you know, and maybe you cut out a
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: week for rookies, do the combine, but you get an
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: X number of draft prospects for every team who could
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: try to raise their draft stock. Going to be really
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: interesting thing. Imagine if we covered a team that needed
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: a quarterback and all of a sudden there's this guy
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: in We'd be breaking down his film every week, right,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: it would be great. So the only problem is, and
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: they've moved the schedule around the last couple of years,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: but right now the Spring League starts the last weekend
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: in March, so you would get three or four games
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: maybe to showcase. And how does that work with you know,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: will he go to the Senior Bowl? So maybe do
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and four you know for UFL games
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: something like that. The CFL has started. The CFL runs
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: a long season. It's a twenty one week season, plus
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. They run through. Their regular season runs through Halloween,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: and the Gray Cup is usually the weekend of Thanksgiving.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: So I mean, he's missed three games, so he could
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: still go up there, even if it takes a couple
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: of weeks. He could still go up there and get
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: ten to fifteen games of good, solid tape. But you're
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: talking about at least for this year. They're changing this
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: in the future, which might make this more viable pipeline,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: a wider field, a longer field, twelve players. Like, it's
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: just different concepts. Now players have gone up there and
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: done this. Who's the guy Swiggers who got drafted by
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: the Jets a couple of years ago, played in the
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: CFL without playing in college and got drafted. You know
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: you want to go back twenty years Ricky Williams did
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: something very similar, loved it. I think he like went
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: back and is like still involved in the CFL in
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: some capacity because he enjoyed his year in Toronto so much,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: or something like that. I was bored today. I was
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: reading Ricky Williams Wikipedia page. But there's as we do,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: as one does well. I mean, I started off watching
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Ricky Williams highlights because as one does come on well
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: and all serie, this is actually what I was doing
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: because I like half had this conversation with a friend
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: and then start having it with myself. Not necessarily better player,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: more fun to watch, better highlight tape. Peak Ricky Williams
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: or peak ly Danian Tomlinson. Your brain goes right to Tomlinson.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: But it did Ricky Williams like peak. The peak was shorter.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Tomlinson was more was less flashy, and more just like
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: consistently off.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you think about what Ricky
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Williams was doing it five.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Thomason was just so well rounded and just he had
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: no horse in smooth.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: But Ricky Williams did some. And by the way, if
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: you include the college tape, it's Ricky Williams, no question.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: But back to the point, Brandon Soresby could go up
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: and play ten to fifteen games. Yeah, and maybe it
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: would help him. Now if the fact that Schefter and
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: others have reported teams are willing to bit a second
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: round pick with all of this looming, maybe he doesn't
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: need to help. I think the biggest question he just
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: goes away and does the Senior Bowl next year. In
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: the combine and then I have one more note on
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: the CFL, but sorry, can.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: You Yeah, I think the bigger thing with him in
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: terms of this is, yeah, he needs reps. Like it's
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: not even so much about getting game tape.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: It's about getting better.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: It's literally about getting better and getting reps at the position. So,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: because if you're not going to play like what he
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: started one year in college and he had Cincinnati, I
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: think he started too because he wasn't starting at Indiana,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: right he started at Indiana.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: No, he did started, he played in Indiana, did not? He
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: started seven games there in twenty three and then he
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: was the full time starter Cincinnati the last two seasons.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: He's thirty one to catch.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he's more than I thought.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: So he's but he does probably need a little more.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not terrible.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: But are you going to get that kind of growth
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: in Canada and that you're.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Still dropping back reading a defense football?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: So do you want the weird twist to this that
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: you're gonna roll your eyes at And people might understand,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: but hear me out. As far as the Canadian League goes,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: this is kind of their golden rror quarterbacks.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, sude, they have too many. It's another person called
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: it and emailed it and said that that they have
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: too many. I don't know.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, looking at the list, I don't know who
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: he's gonna start for. All these teams are good. I
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: don't know what team is gonna say, we're gonna put
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: this guy on the bench for you. Yeah, he'd have
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: to now Outawa's situation because I was looking at this yesterday.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Ottawa's situation is not very nerd like for the show.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: You think that you think I thought this was never
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: going to come off.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: What a dork as you like to say.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Ottawa's quarterback situation is not great.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: The other quarterback, Yeah, the rough Rider. It is Red Blocks,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Saskatchewan is the rough Rider. It is June twenty fourth. Okay,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: I would not be doing this in November.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: The what the what Blacks?
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: The Red Blocks?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: The Red Blacks.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're one of those like well, it's like like flannel,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: it's like loggers, like lumberjack, Lumberjack. That guy's what I
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: was thinking for Their logo is sick. It's an R
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: inside like a saw. It's a very cool logo. The
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: other team's are pretty established now maybe somebody gets hurt.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Like you remember Nathan Rourke, Patriots legend, Nathan Rourke. You know,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Trevor Harris has been really good up there for a
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: long time. Bolivi I Mitchell has been really good up
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: there for a long time. Zach Klaro's Cody Farardo, like
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Vernon Adams. These guys have all been established in the CFL.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: These teams are not They're not a minor league. They're
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: not a minor league like the UFL is. The UFL
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: could go to a team and say, yeah, maybe you
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: feel good about Louis Perez. You know who Louis Prez
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: is Louise pres I forget what they call him, the
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Springs something he plays in every spring league. They could
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: go to a team and say, you're gonna bench Louis Perez.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: We're getting Brendon Soresby. It's gonna be good for the league,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be good for attention. He needs to play
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: the spring King Louis Perez. Yeah, cana is not doing that.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Cana is not saying this guy needs trying to hear
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: for the draft. Right they're trying to win a great Cup.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: So Canada is kind of the perfect fit for him,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: the oddity being unless Autawa, and I think their quarterbacks
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: are rookie. I didn't look a ton of their quarterback,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: but I think it's like he's not great, but they
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: kind of need to blame him.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 9: Thing.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: There's no team that needs quarterback, so go up there
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: and back up. But that's it.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: I think the reps is important, even if it's not
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: in that league. To answer, so, I guess would practice
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: reps be important? Maybe, I just think that live game
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: reps you can't simulate that.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not again, it's not even so much
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: about his college tape.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Like if I was just somebody advising him on his
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: long term future, I would say you need to You
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: can't simulate live practice, live game reps in any other
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: setting besides playing in a game, even if it's a
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: game at a lesser level of football. Now to the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: callers question about how do scouts evaluate the Canadian Football
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: League the UFL, I don't think that they hold it
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: as high regard as like major college football. But if
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: you're scouting a guy you know from like a you know,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar, Lenora Ryan, I think it's you know, comparable
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: at least you know I think that it's somewhere in
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: the middle of those. So it's not you're not saying like, oh,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: we're watching this kid from Alabama play Georgia or playing
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: the college football Playoff. It's not that quite that level,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: But it's not it's not nothing. It's not something that
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: they complete it.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: And it's the kind of thing where like if he
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: goes up there and is competing and looks fine, and
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: this might be why he doesn't do it, that's a
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: red flag. If he goes up there and wins MOP right,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: because they don't do MVP, they do correctly most Outstanding Player,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: and he's like breaking records left and right, then like, okay,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: he looks significantly better than everybody else.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: So I think the other thing that is just the
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: the legalist or the politics of all of this that
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: I find interesting is just the NFL drawing a hard
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: line in the sand on gambling. And I'm not saying
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: that they shouldn't. I understand all the arguments for it,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: that the necessary arguments making him wait till the twenty
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: twenty seven drafts instead of holding a supplemental draft, but
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: it is to me a little bit of a slippery
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: slope of like, okay, we're okay with certain crimes and
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: things that are not exactly becoming of the league, but
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: this one is.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Now we know gambling is like, especially betting on his
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: own team as a direct thing, Well, so this is it.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: It's worse some football standpoint. It's not the worst human
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: thing to do, but they're first on the football. The
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: other thing here that's interesting that this just reminded me
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: of so after Ricky Williams, it's actually called the Ricky
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Williams rule. Boy, I'm glad I read Ricky Ricky Willams
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: wi Compedia page other day, the Ricky Williams rules. So
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: he was suspended right because he failed a drug test
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: and he went up to the CFL. That kind of
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: pissed the NFL off. So the CFL actually has a
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: rule called the Ricky Williams role that if a player
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: is suspended by the NFL, he cannot go play in Canada. Now,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Swersby's not suspended from the NFL, they can't suspend it,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: he's not an NFL player. But this is kind of
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: a stress test of that. Yeah, and with the CFL said, look, man,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: would they basically say what the NFL said, like Nope,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: you're just you're not eligible right now. Like there's another
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: angle to that too.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting slippery slope of Now they're gonna
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: have this like moral high ground on gambling. So where
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: does that go from here?
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Is it just this gambling thing is just kind of
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: a touchy subject with the league right now, and so
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: that's that's where it's at. Or you know, like I
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: brought up the example of Josh Gordon who had a
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: drug addiction. You know, Terrelle Pryor had sanctions against.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: One of those guys, Josh Gordon was not allowed to
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: go to the CFL. He I don't know if you
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: ever actually looked into it, but he would not have
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: been allowed to go to the c right.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: So it's just a weird sort of gray area. Let's
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: get back to the calls. George is in Brighton. What's up, George?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, Hi, Eric Alex. Hey, I've I've enjoyed listening to
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: you guys oftentimes on the pickets website. I have I
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: have three comments to make. One is about Will Campbell,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: one is about Justin Herbert uh and the charges in
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: one is about Frick May. Now, you guys are fantastic.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: You knowledge to gider Away more than I know, But
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: I disagree in all three cases the positions that I've
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: heard in the past. In past years, he stated that
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: coaches believed starmally in second year jumps. Why then, haven't
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: you been more understanding and discussing Will Campbell when we
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: all know that he was injured during the year and
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: most likely not fully recovered in the playoffs. He was
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: doing great during the early part of the year and
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: then he fell down later pipe. He definitely wasn't as
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: good of course against Cleveland, but they have a monster
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: defensive end and playing in the Super Bowl next to
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: another rookie, which has never happened before. He wasn't great.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's a great player and yet, but
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: isn't it reasonable to see how he develops and especially
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: be more allowing to the fact all these things were
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: against him at that point in time.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think I've talked a lot about
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: well expecting Will Campbell to take a year or two.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: Leap okay, but it's been still kind of critical. During
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: the playoffs, two rookies on the left side being you.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I mean, look, if guys don't play well.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: You point out they don't play well, But I still
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: full believe in Will Campbell to be a starting caliber
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: left tackle in this league for ten plus years.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: And you don't think he was injured.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: No, he was. No, he was injured, and he didn't
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: play well. I don't think that's a standard.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, I know. I just felt that he was maybe
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: overly critical criticized.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: But that's my That's the first time I've been accused
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: of being too critical of Will Campbell.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Hey, that's a good thing.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: What was the other point?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Secondly, I've heard I have heard you guys talk. Oh
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: in the Patriots play the Charges, they're not that good
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: at team. They're good, but they're not any elite in
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: any playoffs. They were missing both their tackles and they
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: have great tackles, especially all Look what happened in past years,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: for example in the Super Bowl when the Homes played
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: against the Bucks, and he was missing his tackles. He
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: was running all over the place and he was having
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: a big problem. So I do think that the Trages
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: are a very good team, and there will be a
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: great challenge to the Patriot out there. Not as much
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: as Seattle, but there'll be a really big.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Talent black fair enough.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: What was the Drake may One?
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Drake may one. I disagree with their assessment
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: of his performance against Houston the playoffs. I had seen
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: almost nobody agreed with what I thought, but I saw
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: a drem I think it's Leski or whatever. He said
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: he had a good game, which I didn't agree with either.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: I think he had kind of a mixed game. He
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: was terrible, and that he didn't protect the ball. He
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: was giving them way more chances. But if you look
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: at the touchdowns, if he made with not that much
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: protection against incredible defense, the touchdown pass to the first
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: one was a good pass, The second one to what
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: in the end zone where the guy was opened by
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: six inchires what's incredible too. And then the third one
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: to Boodie in the back of the end zone. The
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: way out there was you know, beyond belief. So I
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: thought he had two games, a bad game and a
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: good game. Acted on that.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Thanks to the callege, George, I appreciate you listening. All
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: three points are interesting. I think the first one with
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: Will Campbell. I don't think we've ever been accused of
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: being too critical with Campbell, on this show. I think
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: that he still, to me, has to just prove that
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: the guy that he played the first fourteen weeks of
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: the season is his baseline and not the guy.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: That, yeah, he didn't play well down the stretch he
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: was hurt. You both can be true. I think I
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: think the player was in the regular season is more
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: indicative than the player he was in the playoffs. Now,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: he faced better players in the playoffs two, and there's that,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: But it's year two. He's gonna put you'd hope he
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: puts muscle on, he puts size on, all of that,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: which is the expectation for most year two players working
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: out like Lane Johnson and Tristan Wurks. Right now, you know,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: if he can be what ten percent better than he was,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: and that's a really abstract thought, like you maybe ten
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: percent better than he was before he get hurt. Well,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: now you're talking about a top ten tackle in the league.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the one just small sea concern. I
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: don't even know if it's a concern. It's just you know,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: watching his tape down the stretch, taking the injury out
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: of it. I think there's some technical advancements that he
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: still needs to make as a as a pass protector
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: that I believe actually is going to help him a
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: lot with his success rate in pass blogging if he
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: has a little bit more variety to his pass sets,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: especially the different types of sets that we've gone over
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: this before, you know, the vertical set versus the jump
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: set versus the forty five, Like switching it up a
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: little bit more and those respects. Having a little just
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: bit more of that technical savvy. I think it's going
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: to go a long way for him because he's not
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: going to have the length, the raw measurables, you know,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: necessarily of an ideal left tackle. So I think he's
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: gonna have to make up for that with his feet,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: with his mind, with his gamesmanship, with that kind of thing.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: But I think we're both fully confident in Will Campbell
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: being an NFL left tackle, starting caliber left tackle for
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: a long time. But the Chargers and Justin Herbert call
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: me when they win a playoff game, that's all I'm
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: gonna say. Yeah, Like it's.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Chargers.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: They just every year I hear about how much talent
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: they have. Every year I hear about how great Jim
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Harbaugh is as a coach, and how great of a
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: quarterback Justin Herbert is and I think Justin Herbert is
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: a great quarterback. He has never won a playoff game,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: not even we're not even talking about like advancing. He's
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: literally never won a single playoff game in his NFL career.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: He's been in the league since twenty twenty and he
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: hasn't won a playoff game. Yeah, So until they win
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: a playoff game and win some of those games, I would.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Just say in general h criticism, Like in the.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Regular season, they played some big games against the Broncos
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. They lost those games too, right,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: and you can you win a big game in a
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: big spot. Ever, like literally, ever.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: They have ross their talents, they've underperformed. Yeah, they they
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: have not played up to their talent. To the Drake
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: made point the Houston game was his best playoff game. Yeah,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: I think we all said what he said coming out
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: of that game, which was some really wow or some
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: high moments and some low moments, and he was just inconsistent.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those three touchdown passes were as good as any
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: throws or any plays that you're going to see, especially
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: the booty one. The ball is on the ground too much.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: I think he got stripsacked what three or four times
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: in that game?
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Too many, too many turnovers. The ball is in
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: harm's way too often. But all points, I think that
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: we don't totally disagree with the caller on who There
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: was a good five minute call there for you. Eldred
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: is in wherever Eldred is. Where you're at, Eldred in
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: the truck?
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 13: Hey, how you doing? Hey, Evan and Alex? Hey question.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 13: I listened to Nick Catole the other day. Do you
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 13: think the Patriots being disrespected? They got him ranked fourteen
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 13: in the NFL and seven in AFC, And do y'all
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 13: think so? Or do you think it's just hike?
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Eldred. As always, I think
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: a little bit. I mean, like I don't really like
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: the word disrespected, like this isn't quite underrated. I think
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: maybe a better word. I don't think it's any like
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: slight to Drake May and Mike Rabel that you know
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: someplace has them in their power rankings as like the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: fifth best team like whatever. But I look across the
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: AFC right now and I have hard pressed to find
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: a team that I think is like a clear cut
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: favorite ahead of them in the conference at least. I mean,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: maybe I still put Seattle in that regard, just be
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: in the Rams, just because of how the Super Bowl
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: went and how that looked, you know, when they played
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: a team of that caliber. But in general, I think
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: that they're right up there with some of the best
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: teams in the AFC. I'm pretty surprised at some of
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: these odds makers type things that have, like Baltimore and
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: Kansas City and teams like that, So High, Buffalo on
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: the Shore, Buffalo, but Baltimore and Kansas City specifically, like
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Baltimore last year was they didn't make the playoffs. They
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: they didn't make the playoffs. Kansas City completely bottomed out
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: and won six games. To have those teams over some
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: of the new the new brass in the AFC, the Patriots,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: the Broncos, the caller mentioned the Chargers, like teams like
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: that that were Houston, that did it last year and
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: proved it last year. It's a lot of that. To me,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: that's a lot of respect. When I talk about disrespect,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: that's a lot of respect for their quarterbacks. I want
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: to take an email about some off topic let's do
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: it questions here. On June twenty fourth, so this is
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: from Aiden. He covers a couple of different sort of
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: off topic things. Okay, of course the subject line is
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: Celtics talk, so we still have him. Didn't address this
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: much on PU either, So here we go, basically just
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: to sum up his question with Yianni's not coming here,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: what do you do now? If you're Brad Stevens, can
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: we vent a little bit about the honest situation?
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: Briefly, so Monday morning, I would say it was when
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: the tide turned. Brian Windhorse, Sean Serania, all of these
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: guys saying that Jalen Brown is in the trade for honest,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: like all of a sudden, that just came out of nowhere,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: that just started to happen. And I spent the whole day.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: I'm a Green teamer, as you know, I'm a big
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Celtics fan. Yeah, well I spent a whole day kind
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: of like mourning Jalen Brown as a Boston Celtic.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: I By the time like five six o'clock rolled around, Alex,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: I was prepared for it. I was ready for it.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: I was kind of starting to actually get a little
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: bit excited about Giannis, right you know. Okay, Port went
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: out for one of my favorite Celtics and we're gonna
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: move on. Then I wake up Tuesday morning and he's good.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: Giannis is going to the Miami Heat, and I just
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. I was in an absolute shock that
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: they would put Jalen in the trade, let it get
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: out that Jalen was in the trade, and then not
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: do what it takes to get the trade across the
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: finish line. I hope that there's things that we just
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: don't know about that are at play, because I really
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: respect Brad Stevens and think that he's a great general manager.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: But if that happened here, if there's something like that
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: happened with the Patriots, we'd be critical of it, and
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be critical of the Celtics. That's that's bad gmming.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: You can't you can't let your superstar player, you're all NBA,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: you know, wingman, get out there that he's in a
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: trade rumor and then not get the trade across the
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: finish line. Just can't happen. And now they've really made
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: a mess for themselves where they might just have to
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: trade him anyway. If it's really gotten to that point.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: My two caveats That would be one. Maybe Jalen wants
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: to be traded, right, Like, maybe this is all a
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: mutual thing. This is coming from his camp as well,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: that he would like to move on and be traded.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: So therefore him being in the rumors really doesn't matter
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: because he's got it. He knows he's going to be
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: in the rumors either way. The other one I suppose
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: is just that it was a really unique situation where
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: they had a opportunity to get a generational talent and
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: the honest one of the best players of his era,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: a perennial MVP candidate when he's healthy, and they took
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: a swing at it, and maybe they can talk to
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: Jalen and iron it out, and they're just hoping that
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: relationship can endure. Not great like that, that to me
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: is a huge risk and not great. I hate the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: idea of selling Jalen Brown for parts. If they're Trey
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: Murphy and Herb Jones junior and a Pelican's future first
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: round pick, gross, you know, if they want to sell him.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: I saw, you know, a rumor it was just a
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: kind of scuttle but about Evan Mobley, Like maybe that's
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: a little bit better. They put themselves in a in
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: a really tough spot. The best thing for them, though,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: to answer the email question, just try to patch this over.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Just figure out a way to try to patch this over.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: They are a much better basketball team with the Jays
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: together now than with trading Jalen. It's hard to imagine
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: a path where they're better from a Jalen trade if
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be for your honest which it was.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think assuming Jalen Brown didn't ask out,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: if he asked out, whatever, you include him in every
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: trade if he didn't ask out, like I think, once
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: you include him, you have to be willing to go
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: all in. And I understand they couldn't trade Goo Goo
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: Gonzalez and Baylor Shierman and multiple firsts. Yeah, flying the
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: way that report from Scham's made it sound, and I'm
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: inferring here a little bit so I could be wrong,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: was that they basically didn't negotiate it. They just kind
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: of put their offer on the table and stopped, and.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go. I I listened to Bill Simmons,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: who was actually reporting pretty ahead of the curve on
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of these things. In this particular instance, maybe
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: Celtic City got back in the good graces of the
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: Celtics sources there, yea, but he said the same thing
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: that he think that they made an offer two weeks
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: ago and it just kind of never so it never moved.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: I guess if you're gonna go as far as putting
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: Jalen Brown on the table and then stop at Ugo
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Gonzales and then stop at Baylor Shireman and then stop
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: at one extra first round pick, like I get kn't
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: of up three first we're getting swaps. I know, to
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: your point, you need the picks because the CBA, you
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: need the cheap players, and this is kind of exposing
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: how bad the CBA is. But like, then do a swap. Yeah,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: you still have to pick, you can still have to
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: but it's gonna be the worst player. But that's what
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: you're getting, honest, it's fine.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Well, why would the Bucks want to do swaps because
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: the Bucks picks are going to be worse than your.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Picks, That's true.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I just I think that the trade
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: that they probably wanted was Jalen Brown, Couga Gonzales and
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: like three first round picks.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: And I think the cell I think you have to
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: understand and I'm somebody who's a huge fan of Brad Stevens,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: and I feel me to it down here. Once you
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: put Jalen Brown on the table, you have to understand
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: this could go places. We just did this with AJ Brown, Yeah,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: and was a first for AJ Brown. A little bit
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: of an overpay. Yes. Does that mean they shouldn't have
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: done it.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: When you want to add those high level players, you
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: have to get uncomfortable. And some people say adding Jalen
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Brown alone makes it uncomfortable. Jalen Brown Friannis is a
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: one for one swap. Is not an uncomfortable trade. It's
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: a trade. Frankly, I think the Celtics would lose slightly
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: in the long term, but it's not an uncomfortable trade.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: The trade you described as uncomfortable. If you get into
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: those negotiations, you have to be willing to get uncomfortable.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: And if you don't want to get uncomfortable, then don't
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: offer Jalen Brown in the first place and open this
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Pandora's box, which is where I begin. I would rather
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: they just stayed out of this, But I think once
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: you put Jalen Brown on the table, you have to
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: be willing to go to the finish line, and it
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: sounds like they weren't.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the email are added to here. Aiden said,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: you know, bringing Jalen Brown back and bringing the Jays back,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: adding like a Sabonus or.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: Heartenstein like that.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: That to me was the move all along, Like that's
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: what I wanted them to do from Jump Street. Was
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: not panic and not over you.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: Know Derek White, right, But that's I can stomach. Got more,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: especially you're getting a center, you still have Peyton Pritchard.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: You're just adding depth to the roster, trading Ylan.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: Brown, Baylor Shireman to be a rotation, playing Hugo maybe
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: a rotation.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: And if you want to make the offer of like Houser,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: White and Ugo for for Giannis like Flying Rever. I'm
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: not saying they couldn't offer for Jannis at all, but yeah,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: I I I it felt like a panic move unless
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: Jayalen Brown always wanted out, in which case whatever, And
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: this is all no reaction, but I feel like we
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: might have heard that at that point, because if you're
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: the Celtics, aren't you gonna leak that at this point
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: to defend yourselves? Yeah, and you don't have to piss
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: them off. Because he already wants out.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: I just feel like if they and I I'm probably
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: a little bit green teaming with this, and maybe I'm
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: I actually think you've.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: Come a long way from where where you were when
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: this news broke, I will say.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: Because I I I think it was a bad mistake.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: I think, frankly, I think Brad messed us up. You
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: can't put Jalen in the trade and not do the trade.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: And ye, you can't do that.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: And to people who will hear that and say so,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: they should have just given up anything if the Bucks asked,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: There had to have been a lot like, there had
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: to have been a place right, obviously, there had to
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: have been a middle ground there that they could have
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: gotten right. And I think the other thing too, is
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: just you know, this isn't the first time that Jalen's
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: been in trade rumors in his career with the Celtics.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: This certainly isn't new information that he's a little bit
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: disgruntled with what's been going on, so the relationship, there
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: was already friction that existed in the relationship to begin with.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's media narrative or media driven. I
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: think that's real he came straight from Jalen Brown like
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: at times, and so you knew that this was a
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: touchy situation and you just made it touchy situation worse.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: I had always thought that I just and look, maybe
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: this meant a reset next year. That was like blowing
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: it up in twenty twenty seven and twenty eight. If
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: this didn't work, but Jason Tatum being fully healthy next
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: year with Jalen Brown, you had a legit center like
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: a Hartenstein or someone like that, you still would have
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: the non taxpayer mid level, so you could use something like,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: you know, a fifteen million dollar contract on the player
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: to then go out and get like another scoring guard,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: which I think is what they would ideally he said
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: speed at the guard position yesterday. Yeah, you know something
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: like that. If you could have sort of retooled around
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: those two guys and it's still primarily Tatum, Brown and
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: then White as like sort of the third fiddle, but
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: you have a legitimate center that bumpsn me Cada to
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: like that Mitchell Robinson role, you know, which is a
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: much more comfortable role for him, and you have some
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: better backcourt depth. That was I wanted to see that
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: team together, right because I thought that team had a
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: pretty high ceiling of Jason Tatum goes back to being
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: like a top five player in the NBA first team
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: All NBA kind of guy. So it's disappointing now we're here.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: It should we shouldn't. They shouldn't be in a position
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: where they don't have Giannis or Jalen Brown like that
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have happened.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. People who might say, well,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: you know you can't give up that much for Jannis
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: if you go into that trade knowing you have trade Tatum, Well,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: what's what's the alternative? Would you rather give up? And
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: I keep using Googlenzalz just because he's kind of become
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: the poster child of this. You can use Baylor Shyerman too,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: or whoever. Would you rather give up Jannis Ugo in
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: three firsts or sorry, Jalen Brown Ugo in three first
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: for Jannis or Jalen Brown for Evan Mobley, A couple
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: bench players and maybe a pick?
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: What's trade?
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: Right? Exactly? You're giving up more, but you're getting more much.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: So that's yeah. That that that's where I find it
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: tough for And also just side note, I got a
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: feel for Ugo Gonzales. Yeah, he this is it's gotta
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: be a really good Now, it's gonna be a tough
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: season for him if he does not come out and
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: play well. Like, he's the guy they wouldn't trade, right
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: or wrong. The NBA is a narrative league. He's the
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: guy they wouldn't trade for you honest.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Just the last thing I would just add
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: to that too, is, you know, I do think that
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: there is a path for this to get these fences
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: to get mended. I do.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: I hope. So it's been it's been a few years.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: I will say it has been.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: I still think though, ultimately the best chance for both
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: those guys to succeed individually and you know, as a
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: team succeed winning is together. Like splitting each other up
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: and Jalen Brown going to New Orleans or Jalen Brown
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: going to Portland or something like that, and Tatum getting
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: you know whatever they those teams offer scutin and friends
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: or whatever like, that's not a good path for either
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: one of those people, right, Like, from a basketball standpoint,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: I hope that they can just kind of iron this out.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. Though it's it's they put themselves
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: into a really tough spot, I'll say that, And that
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: was unfortunate. First time really that I felt uneasy about
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: Brad Stevens, like he's always been so good at his job. Yeah,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: and so you know, just I was saying.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Brad Stein's the best asset they have, better than Jason Tatum.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: I might have been wrong.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing here for Maiden an off topic, he
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: said c R seven Christiano Ronaldo is the goat. I
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: could not disagree more with that.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: Same.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: But I thought about this a little bit because I
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: wanted to make it football right because you know, as
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: we do, and it might help our audience. That's not
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: big soccer fans so messy. To me, is Tom Brady right,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: like he's aging. Like Tom Brady, he's the goat to
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: the sport. He's thirty nine years old and he's still
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: scoring three and two goals in World Cup games. He's Brady,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: He's he's the best. To me, is more like Aaron Rodgers,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: where at his peak you could say that that was
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: some of the best quarterback play you've ever seen, But
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: there's it wasn't sustaining and there's just too much extra crap.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: That goes on with Ronaldo, just like with Aaron Rodgers,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: where you just like kind of don't like the guy
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: like Messi. Everybody loves Messi right like, you know, he's
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: he's the best Rinaldo like you kind of just don't
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: like him, like he just kind of like Aaron Rodgers.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: So I think that you could make the argument that
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: peak versus peak. You know, maybe Ronaldo was was in
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: the discussion with with Messi, but it's not. You can't
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: make that. That's where it ends, right, longevity, likability, all
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: of those things. Uh, you know, in my younger years,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: it kind of brings me back to like No mar
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: and Jeter right like like No Mark maybe at his
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: peak kind of at a case at that, not not
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: longevity wise. So that was a good email there on
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: our got all of our off topic con stations out.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: Here's a question from Dustin which I think is an
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: interesting one because I had one of these jerseys growing up.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: He said that can we talk about how jerseys are
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: super expensive for all teams for them to be heat pressed,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: so like the logos, numbers, all that stuff is that
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: like cheap pressing and not the stitching. So I think
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: they still sell stitch jerseys.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: I think they just started doing that again. That is
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: a big thing. Back in the US, stitched jersey that
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: was a big deal.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: So I had a tom Brady Dynasty blue tom Brady
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: stitched in twelve jersey. I still have it and it's
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: I haven't put it on in years, but I still
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: I still have it. And it was I want to say,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: a three hundred dollars.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. I remember was along to the rebox
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: store when there was a rebox store up at Pat's
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: place and they had do you remember this? They had
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: like jerseys from Edwy.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: I believe that's where this was from.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: So they had jerseys like all thirty two teams have
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: like a couple players. Tam and me and my friends
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: would lose. Just go look at the stitch jerseys. I
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: really wanted to buy. I really almost bought a Josh
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: Freeman creamsicle jersey, and I to this day regret that
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: You regret that.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: That would be a sick jersey to have, Like five
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: was my number? A Josh Freeman creamsicle jersey, that'd be cool.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: It was five year number because like the bigger numbers
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: didn't fit. You are you one of those kids. I
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: feel like you were one of those kids.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: That's why, like two was my number when I was
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: like younger playing baseball. When I was playing Pop warn
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: I one eleven, it was taken. They just gave me five.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: So that just ended up being my number, and nobody
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: on the Patriots ever wore it. So every time, like
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: I created a player in Madden, I was like, oh,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: give them five, this is great, And then Tim Tebow
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: came here and wore it. That annoyed me.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: When I was like all like Little League and all
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: that stuff. I used to wear eight for Antwine Walker
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: because thirty four.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: What wasn't Yeah, nobody had thirty four.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wouldn't go on.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: No, my numbers were always two because those were the
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: smallest jersey sizes and I didn't want to wear one.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: I thought wearing one was weird. Yeah, So this wasn't
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: Dirk or it wasn't anything like that. So it was two,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: it was five, and it was eleven. Those are my numbers.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: Those are good numbers. Yeah, JESSS was eleven, Q eleven
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: a lot. I was eight normally eight or nine, depending.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: And one time I got fifty five. That was cool.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: I liked fifty five.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: If I got if I didn't get eight, I would
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: pick nine. Okay, here's an email from Doug in New
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: Hampshire related to Eldred's call. Robert Mays and Derek Klassen
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: had the Patriots offensive talent around the QB, so this
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: is like his supporting cast oc wide receiver, running back,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: tight end. So not offensive line, but the skill group,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: but the play caller, excuse me, as seventh or eighth
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: best in the AFC. I found that this was low
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: and a bit disrespectful to McDaniel's and aj brown teams
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: like the Chargers and Jaguars were above them. So just
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: based off of their skill group plus play caller, seventh
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: or eighth best seems it does seem a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: It seems it seems a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit the af' in the NFL the AFC. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's low.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: It seems a little bit low. And the Chargers we
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: talked about the charges earlier when we were doing the exercise,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: they have some nice complimentary pieces. I don't know where
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: we all fall right now on Lad McConkey and all that,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: but I agree that that does feel a little bit low.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: If we want to play the disrespect card. You go
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: right ahead, you put your email that into Mike Rabel
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: and have them put it on a presentation disrespect. This
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: email is from aj I think he was somebody was
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: in the chat saying this exact same thing, so maybe
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: this was the same person. But he said at the
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: end of last week's episode, there was a discussion about
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: Kaishan Boody to the Giants. I see a lot of
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: people talking about it. The Giants signed it. Darnell Moody
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: drafted Malachi Fields. I don't think also adding in Kashan
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: Boody makes a lot of sense the Giants. We talked
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: about this. When we talked about it, I feel like
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: the Giants added a lot of bodies at Wide Receiver,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: including the corpses of Juju Smith, Schuster and Odell Beckham Junior.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they added any guys that are
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: established in are kind of in their primes of their career.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: All his Giants Wide Receiver buzz is because of Malik Neighbors,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: Like you know, whether his situation is clear or not
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: is they definitely have enough bodies though. Give from that.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: Darnall Moody and Kishan Boody play different positions.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Darnell Moody is like a speed slot, right Ye.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Who'd you take Kaishan Booty or Malachie Fields.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Malachi Fields yet. It is
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: draft pick h right now you knew you started. I
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: thought you believe Malchai Fields was not my guy. Unquestionably
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: stiff contested cat.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: The numbers don't. This is like, remember the Patriots used
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: to have like ten receivers and we're like, there's ten
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: receivers for six spots, but you could upgrade overall ten
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: of them, right, That's kind of what the Giants have
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: right now. So right now, if we're reading the end
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: of the episode, By the way, we gotta do another
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: twenty to zero before we get out of here.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, So uh, you know, looking at the Giants step chart,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: just assuming he's healthy at some point, Neighbors slay In,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: Calvin Austin, Darnell Mooney, Malchai Fields feels like they're five.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: Because Malay Fields is drafted the third I'm assuming he's
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: going to make the team as a third round pick.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: I think Kashawan Boody does bring them some level of
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: consistency and improve an NFL talent on the outside. I
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: don't know what they're disdain or whatever. Maybe disdain is
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: too strong. Darius Slayton seems to be somebody that's fallen
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: out of favor with all the regime changes there with
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: the Giants. I thought Darius Slayton was kind of like
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: Kashan Boody. Yeah, honestly, like a similar kind of player.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: But it sounds like they are kind of out on
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: him for whatever reason. You want us to do it?
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: What do we have any more emails?
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: No, we're good.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, So because we did this to wrap it up last.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: Week, thanks for all the calls and emails. Yeah, we
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: got us to all.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: You big upset that Robert Splain was in it last
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: week and I forgot to use the respin. So New
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: England Patriots only twenty and er. Yeah, and we're starting
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: off with nineteen seventy six to nineteen eighty two.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: John Hannah, there's.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: No Linemann to tell you.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: God, why do you why? What kind of game is this?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: Stanley Morgan Francis or Sam Vam Cunningham. I assume we're
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: saving the quarterback spot for Brady.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: I gotta be honest. Those are all great options. I'm
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: gonna go at.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy nine Stanley Morgan. I think I'm gonna go
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: with the Steamer. I think that's what we gotta do.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna cheat a little bit because were.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: I really got the numbers, because I feel like with
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: Russ Francis, We're gonna have other tight end options. We're
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: gonna have other tight end and probably other running back
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: options too, you know, wide receiver. You know whether we
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: maybe we would miss out on like Prime Moss or yeah.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: And it's tough because usually they put the historic year
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: in for a specific player, like you get like the
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: eighties Dolphins, and it's obviously you're taking you can kind
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: of do that. Whoever with the Patriots, I guess we
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: could take Steve Grogan too, but no, we'll go Stanley Morgan.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: Stanley Morgan should be in the Hall of Fame, all.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Right, So we'll go Stanley Morgan at receiver. Next up?
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: You know what team? If Stanley Morgan played for the
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers, he'd be in the Hall of Fame.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, sixteen to twenty offense.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: Sixteen to twenty offense.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: So do we want Brady seventeen? Brady erseventeen Gronk, because
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: we could also get a different version of Brady. So
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: we do have like multiple versions of right, I mean
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: we probably don't want like two thousand and two thousand
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: and five Brady.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen to twenty twenty Brady is pretty darn good.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: Well it's twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen Brady won MVP. All right,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: all right, all right, we'll go twenty seventeen Brady. Yeah,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: I mean we might get those years back ninety nine
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: to five ninety nine, so Ben Coates is gone.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: Ben Coates is we get ninety nine Ben coach, But
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: I don't remember he was still like still good right
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: at that point. I mean, really we're talking about Oh
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: four Corey Dyllon.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: Alright, so sorry, it was to four n five ninety nine.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: We have four Corey Dyllon, Corey Dllon.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: Who's the best receiver here? Oh four Givens, Oh four Patton,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: oh five Branch Corey Dyllon, all right, Corey Dillon. I
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: think Corey Dyllan's the play there. Yeah, Patriots six to
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: ten Randy Moss, Randy Moss overwhelker. Yeah, why do we
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: always ask me that? Seven? Well, last week, we got both. Okay,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: here were in eleven to fifteen, so now we get
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven. Rob Gronkowski, this is this team.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: If this team's not unless you want twenty eleven, Wes Welker, No,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: I don't I want.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: Well, we got one more, Oh, twenty one to twenty
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: five offense for a flex we can use anything? Should
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: we just reroll? We have one reroll?
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: Twenty five would count digs though, right?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, so we could do twenty five digs? You want
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: to do twenty five digs? You want to reroll?
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Is there? Twenty five digs is better than we already
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: put Gronk. We already put.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: Moss, right, we'd be hoping we get we Well, well
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: it's a flex, Welker or I don't even know what
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: running back.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: We would because we already took Corey Dillon.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so probably all right, so let's do let's do
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: digs digs? All right? So our offense is Brady Corey Dillon,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: Stanley Morgan, Rob Gronkowski, Randy Moss, Stefon Diggs.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: That's a forty five points a game.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, now we gotta get the defenses will
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: let us down this one, don't go to sleep in quickly. Okay,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: eleven to fifteen.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: So Reavis.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: So here's the weird thing. It goes off production. How
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: many did he have a lot of picks that year.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: Never got thrown at? So probably right? Revs.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: Twenty fourteen Dante High Tower.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: Dante High Tower, Chandler Jones, Oh.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen, Chandler Jones. Do you have like fifteen sacks?
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: Let's go twenty thirteen Chandler Jones.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen, Chandler Jones on the edge, okay, ninety nine
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: to five, I mean so many see more law Wah
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: was productive. I think we go we won an earlier corner.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: I think we go ty law Lah. I think you're right.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: Twenty one to twenty five.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, this was trip this up last time.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we go jude On, jud.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Judon because he had the big year and twenty.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll throw jude On at the flex. Let me
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: make sure it's the right. Yeah, twenty two jude On,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: I think you have like twelve sacks. Well, jude On
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: at the flex, we still have our respin sixteen to twenty.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: Six, we still Stefan Gilmore.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: Well, we already took tay law, so we took we
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: can't have multiple corner we do have Where's Devin mccordy, Gilmore,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: I was Devin not here.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: High Town?
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: It's weird, it's listen. Oh no, we can play Devin
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: mccordy at safety. So we'd have twenty sixteen him, twenty
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: sixteen mccordy or twenty sixteen High Time, twenty sixteen High Tower,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: beast yea twenty one to twenty five again showing reroll. Yes,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: all right, uh, twenty one to twenty five. We just
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: blew our reroll. Oh we still Milt Williams, Okay, let's go.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: We could do last year. Milton Williams, sure, all right,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: Now we need we need a safety. Eleven to fifteen.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: Oh god, I think gives us prime. That was the
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: year mccordy at all those picks, right, his rookie year.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was playing court.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it lets us play him in safety. Twenty twelve,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: Devin mccordy at safety unless.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: You want to go. I mean the safety is that
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: in that era were terrible that they gave him twenty
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: eleven Patrins.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: Mccordy, Harmon, Steve Gregory, Cayvon Wilson, James Aheadable or Patrick
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: Chunk mccordy. Mccordy a best player seventeen and three.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: That's worse than last week.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: Milton Williams held us back?
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: What the hell? I don't know what did this game
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: wants us to do?
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: We got one hundred one on offense. I didn't know
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: you could get more one hundred. We got ninety one
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: on defense.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: We had we had.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: I screwed up. I took Chris Jones, not Chandler Jones.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: Of the million Jones you get, is he the one
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: who's not holding us back? Chris Jones had six sacks
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: and eight tackles for a loss that year.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, what is wrong with you, Chris Jones? Instead
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: of change?
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my bad. Wow, But apparently that's not what
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: cost us. All Right, we'll have to bounce back. We
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: gotta go next week.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: We do have a show next week, next Wednesday, and
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: then we're off for My summer sabbatical is what I'm
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: calling it this year, my great summer sabbatical of the
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: month of July. We'll update you more on that next week,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: but next week we'll be on at noon. We're going
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: back to New because there's no World Cup game on
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: Tuesday to knock p you to Wednesday, So new and
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: back at noon next week regular time. We'll catch you
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: up on what's happening after that for my summer sabbatical.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: All until then, signing off for the Alex's I'm Evan Lazarre.
• 1:57:08
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• 1:57:09
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