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Rock Bottom in Starkville: Life Without Kamario Taylor · Johnny's World

0:23
SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to another episode of the Johnny's World Podcast.
0:26
SPEAKER_01: This is BW here with my co-host Johnny.
0:30
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure the folks uh noticed we didn't do an episode last week, but we were a little bit too depressed to do it, honestly, and you know, don't really want to be doing this one either, Johnny.
0:39
SPEAKER_01: How about you?
0:40
SPEAKER_01: How are you?
0:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good, good, uh, good to be back.
0:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we had I I recorded one last week with IQ and we talked hoops instead with uh Sam Purcell to talk about the women's uh team who got a win last night and then the men's game.
0:53
SPEAKER_00: I was at the game Monday night for the uh Monday night for the opening opening night for men's basketball and uh got the win there.
1:01
SPEAKER_00: And we're gonna have up uh uh talked to Chris Chans the other night and he he said he's gonna join us eventually, but they're obviously real busy with the season.
1:10
SPEAKER_00: But uh his assistant coach David Anwar, who's out on the recruiting trail right now, uh, will join us possibly even maybe next week, he said, talking about it.
1:18
SPEAKER_00: I'll get and then we got Hubbard coming up.
1:20
SPEAKER_00: So lots of hoops talk uh coming up on the podcast, and uh really looking forward to the season.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: We kind of started off slow, but uh these guys is just Josh Hubbard and a bunch of guys have never played together.
1:32
SPEAKER_00: So it was uh it was good to be back in the hump.
1:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh sent you our picture of our uh favorite guy, the Al Stander from the we used to look at in college.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: He's still there, he's a dedicated loyal fan, he's always there.
1:44
SPEAKER_00: And uh it was good to get a win, and uh it'll be it'll be interesting to see how the season goes.
1:49
SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, football, man, just real depressing.
1:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, you knew if if you're too bad Philadelphia is not just five minutes down the road, BW.
1:58
SPEAKER_00: I would have gone to the golden moon and put a place to bet on that.
2:00
SPEAKER_00: That was easy money right there.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: 20.5 was a line with Texas.
2:04
SPEAKER_00: You knew they were gonna you knew they were gonna win uh by that or more, which they which they did.
2:10
SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, it's just the same old story, man.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: We know what's gonna happen going in.
2:14
SPEAKER_00: But you know, like I said, we started off 4-0, and I had us projecting to lose those four.
2:19
SPEAKER_00: I said, I thought we'd go four and oh, then drop four and four.
2:22
SPEAKER_00: But then I had us beating I think I had us beating Vany, losing to Auburn, beating Tennessee Tech, and losing to Ole Miss, finishing six and six.
2:30
SPEAKER_00: Six and six now would be big, BW.
2:33
SPEAKER_00: It'd be big to get six and six with this team we have on the plan right now.
2:37
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but man, I don't think it's gonna happen.
2:39
SPEAKER_00: I really don't.
2:41
SPEAKER_00: Um and I don't know, man.
2:43
SPEAKER_00: I I'm I'm off.
2:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm off.
2:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm completely off Ket Levy.
2:46
SPEAKER_00: I was off last year.
2:47
SPEAKER_00: He he sucked me back into it with Camario at the beginning of the year, and everybody else did too.
2:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, uh, you know, he was, I mean, they they were talking about, you know, if we beat Alabama, we might give him a contract extension.
2:57
SPEAKER_00: But man, that just shows you one guy, one guy, Camario.
3:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's just my issue with Levy, as long as everybody else is, is he had no backup plan.
3:06
SPEAKER_00: He depended all on Camario.
3:07
SPEAKER_00: And like when he goes down, there's nobody.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: Most teams, when they lose their starting quarterback like that, they have a backup option that can they can throw in there and they don't, they don't just completely fall apart.
3:17
SPEAKER_00: We had no options at all.
3:19
SPEAKER_00: Starting a guy from Jackson Prep is it was his backup option.
3:23
SPEAKER_00: And everybody was giving hell about not playing AJ Swan.
3:26
SPEAKER_00: And then he comes out saying that he had been hurt, but yet he wasn't on the injury report.
3:30
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know if I believe that, but he played Miraxville the other day and then he got hurt.
3:34
SPEAKER_00: So um I don't know what the answer is, but uh I'm I'm off, man.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: As a matter of fact, I've already I'm already coming up with a hotboard of coaches that uh uh like to see uh be interviewed.
3:45
SPEAKER_00: So uh I'm at that stage right now.
3:46
SPEAKER_00: And I think if he loses to Bandy, that seeds the seat is scorching right now.
3:51
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be really scorching.
3:52
SPEAKER_00: But man, if he loses to Tennessee Tech, he doesn't deserve, in my opinion, to even coach the egg bowl.
3:56
SPEAKER_00: I think he should be fired on the spot that day if he loses Tennessee Tech.
4:00
SPEAKER_00: And just it's just an unfortunate situation.
4:02
SPEAKER_00: But I just can't see you're not serious about Miss TV State football if you if you carry on with Jeff Alebe for another year.
4:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, I know people are gonna say, oh, give him a chance.
4:11
SPEAKER_00: Uh Camario got hurt, but that's the whole issue, is there was no backup plan.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: The recruiting, it's uh it's just it shouldn't, we should not be in this situation by just losing a star player like that, that much dependent on one guy.
4:23
SPEAKER_00: And a lot of people also say, you know, if we get rid of him, Camario's gonna leave.
4:26
SPEAKER_00: But man, Camario was committed to Mississippi State before Jeff Levy was our coach.
4:30
SPEAKER_00: His goal was to play for Mississippi State in life.
4:33
SPEAKER_00: I think he's a bulldog through and through, kind of like Josh Hover.
4:36
SPEAKER_00: And uh I think I think you gotta do what's best.
4:39
SPEAKER_00: You can't you can't uh have one player hold a hold a team hostage, which he's not uh uh doing that, but you you just can't can't do that.
4:47
SPEAKER_00: So anyway, that's my thought on everything.
4:49
SPEAKER_00: And uh frankly, I really don't care what happens if you w against Van D.
4:53
SPEAKER_00: I don't care though because if we win, you know, people are gonna be like, oh, if we finish six and six, they're not gonna fire Jeff Levy.
5:00
SPEAKER_00: And uh and you know, that's just an unfortunate situation being as a state fan.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: You don't want to pull for your team to lose, obviously.
5:06
SPEAKER_00: But then how good is that gonna do by winning these games and holding on to another year, which hey man, with a healthy Camario next year, it could be like what we saw at the first four games.
5:15
SPEAKER_00: So there's that.
5:16
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, when Camario leaves, we're back in the same spot with Levy.
5:20
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know, it's a tough, tough situation right now.
5:22
SPEAKER_00: What what are your thoughts on everything?
5:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, I've been a a Levy supporter, mostly just because I feel like there was some positive momentum there.
5:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, I mean it's just inexplicable what's going on now, just uh how the offense is is what it is.
5:41
SPEAKER_01: And just the transparency.
5:44
SPEAKER_01: I mean, what's so funny is is if he would have just come out and said AJ Swan's been hurt, got hurt in training camp, whatever.
5:51
SPEAKER_01: Right.
5:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh and Rashad is not gonna be what we thought he was, so we're down to third string, Billy Puckett.
5:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, just admit that is what happened in the first place, and maybe you get a little bit more you know, grace from the situation.
6:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
6:07
SPEAKER_01: But just just being quiet and all this coach speak and this and that and that and just not doing much.
6:12
SPEAKER_01: No, no.
6:13
SPEAKER_01: And then you just see uh you just see these programs like Kentucky.
6:17
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they turn it around in one year, yeah.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: And so you're yeah, exactly.
6:21
SPEAKER_01: Like you're you're a hire away from a great team and with the portal and and all that.
6:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, but it I don't know who who you know talks to Camario behind the scenes to guarantee that he stays, whether Levy is here or not.
6:38
SPEAKER_01: Whoever's in charge of that, if they can shore that up and there's a guarantee there, then you know.
6:43
SPEAKER_00: That is going out there.
6:44
SPEAKER_00: You know, you know, those guys post uh post images on social media all the time saying, hey, I'm 100% committed, I'm back, let's run it back.
6:51
SPEAKER_00: And that's what they all say, let's run it back.
6:53
SPEAKER_00: They need someone, like you just said, needs to talk to Camario, focus on what he has to say, and then he needs to come out immediately before anything goes down with Levy one way or the other, and say, look, I'm 100% committed to Mississippi State, and I'll be your quarterback next year.
7:05
SPEAKER_00: That's what the fans want to hear.
7:06
SPEAKER_00: And then after that, you know, go get a new coach if you need to.
7:10
SPEAKER_00: But I just don't see, I don't see how you can run this back with Levy again, and then Camario's gone, and you're you're stuck with him again.
7:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's just uh nut, I don't know the guy personally.
7:21
SPEAKER_00: I know I don't uh people like they're vicious towards him right now, man.
7:24
SPEAKER_00: They hate him.
7:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just a football coach, man, but but he he doesn't know what he's doing.
7:28
SPEAKER_00: He's over his head.
7:29
SPEAKER_00: I think he's there's some people that are meant to be head coaches, some people are meant to be offensive coordinators.
7:33
SPEAKER_00: He's a coordinator, he's not a head coach, and that's my issue going into this next coaching hire.
7:38
SPEAKER_00: If we happen to get one, you need to get someone with experience.
7:40
SPEAKER_00: You can't go cheap.
7:41
SPEAKER_00: We went the cheaper out with Levy, getting an offensive coordinator.
7:44
SPEAKER_00: You've got to pay uh for wins this day and that age college football.
7:48
SPEAKER_00: Um and you've got to get someone like that we did in the baseball hire.
7:51
SPEAKER_00: That was huge, getting a sitting head coach who won a national championship.
7:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we can't obviously can't get that in football because Mississippi State Baseball is so much better nationally than Mississippi State football, but you need to get someone of that category, in my opinion, who has been have has been a head coach or head coach experience.
8:09
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's just my thought on it.
8:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there are some hot shot uh offensive coordinators available.
8:14
SPEAKER_00: I'd love to see Charlie Weiss Jr., you know, be a head coach.
8:18
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, he was at Old Miss with Lane, he's at LSU, he's doing great.
8:21
SPEAKER_00: I think he's an upcoming name, but I just at this point in Mississippi State, I feel like you have to have a head coach.
8:27
SPEAKER_00: And I don't know who's gonna come, but I definitely think if you can get, you pay up, somebody's gonna leave their job to come.
8:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I just think that's where it needs to start.
8:36
SPEAKER_00: You need a proven head coach to get in there because Lebby's just too young.
8:40
SPEAKER_00: He's out of his, out of his over his head, he's been over his head.
8:43
SPEAKER_00: You know, at the beginning of the year, he hired some coaches with head coaching experience on the staff that would help him in situations uh like we had struggled last year, game game management situations.
8:53
SPEAKER_00: But man, it's just a disaster all around.
8:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's uh we're not we're scoring, we can't score.
8:58
SPEAKER_00: Can't score scoring six and seven points a game averaging.
9:01
SPEAKER_00: That's unexpected, uh that's unacceptable, even with the talent players we have, you know, scoring six points a game.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: You can't win with that.
9:09
SPEAKER_00: So uh man, it's gonna this bandy game is gonna tell a lot.
9:12
SPEAKER_00: And if we intensity tech, I mean, they're we should beat them, but they have like I think they're like seven and one or something like that.
9:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh they have a really good record.
9:20
SPEAKER_00: So I mean, it it's it's it's just mind-boggling how one player he he he hid so much of the uh faults with Mississippi State, and even defensive-wise, even though defense I thought played really well against Texas, they they they play a lot better than they did.
9:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, but just in inexcusable stuff, and it just it's just from an outsider standpoint looking in, seeing, seeing this, you just you can't you can't go on with someone who in Levy's stance is not doing his job.
9:53
SPEAKER_00: That period, he has not done his job by recruiting, having backup.
9:56
SPEAKER_00: You gotta prepare, prepare for the future, what's coming.
9:59
SPEAKER_00: You never know.
9:59
SPEAKER_00: You're one play away from your backup quarterback.
10:02
SPEAKER_00: And one play away.
10:03
SPEAKER_00: He mentioned that at the beginning of the season at the quarterback club when I was there.
10:06
SPEAKER_00: Someone asked him about what what uh if you had Cmario Taylor on a LinkedIn profile, what would his job description be or something like that?
10:14
SPEAKER_00: And it would say something like, stay healthy for 13 games.
10:17
SPEAKER_00: So that's what he said.
10:18
SPEAKER_00: So he he knew he knew that it that his success depended on Camario Taylor's health.
10:24
SPEAKER_00: So when you know that going into it, you should have you should have backup options.
10:28
SPEAKER_00: But like what you just said, BW, is another problem I have with him is just be honest with your fan base, man.
10:34
SPEAKER_00: What are you trying to hide by saying if the guys AJ Swan's hurt, set say he's hurt?
10:39
SPEAKER_00: I don't believe him, BW.
10:40
SPEAKER_00: I don't I think he lied.
10:41
SPEAKER_00: I don't believe that he was hurt because he was not on any injury any injury report.
10:44
SPEAKER_00: And now since everybody's giving him hell, oh, we're gonna throw him out there and get it, let him play.
10:48
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't believe he was hurt.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: But um, I mean, just be honest with your fan base, man.
10:53
SPEAKER_00: They're the ones that those those are the people that's supposed to have your back when everybody else doesn't.
10:58
SPEAKER_00: But what he's doing right now is just being a disservice to to his own fan base by saying stuff like that and just being the coach speak.
11:05
SPEAKER_00: And you know, it's just uh he's in a bad spot, man.
11:09
SPEAKER_00: Really bad spot, which is really unfortunate because, like I said, after we beat Missouri, he was sitting on top of the world with Camario.
11:16
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we we're thinking, you know, eight, nine wins with the playoffs, possibly.
11:21
SPEAKER_01: So man, Johnny, that that's what depresses me the most about this whole situation is that if you look at next year's schedule, um it's not as favorable as this year's schedule.
11:32
SPEAKER_01: Right.
11:32
SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a tougher schedule based on how things look right now in the SEC.
11:36
SPEAKER_01: Plus, this year you have Fluff, you have Antonio Evans or Anthony Evans, um, Isaac Smith, you have all these like known you know senior playmakers on the team.
11:51
SPEAKER_01: They're gone next year.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: All that's gone.
11:54
SPEAKER_01: All you guys Camario next year.
11:55
SPEAKER_00: I think we got fluff back, possibly.
11:57
SPEAKER_01: We got fluff?
11:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's a junior, he's a junior.
12:00
SPEAKER_00: He has one of the things.
12:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I didn't realize.
12:01
SPEAKER_01: Okay, well that's good news.
12:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we could have fluff back, but yeah.
12:05
SPEAKER_01: But I mean, you're just I I'm sure that you can find another another uh you know, speedy receiver, but uh Evans just has that little X factor.
12:16
SPEAKER_01: He's hard to bring down, and yeah, he's gonna be a good thing.
12:19
SPEAKER_00: McGee should be back.
12:20
SPEAKER_00: San Francisco he should be back, but Evans is a playmaker for sure.
12:24
SPEAKER_00: And uh he's gonna be missed for sure.
12:26
SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, we got some we got some guys coming back, but you know, the the the line play also is a big team, uh not recruiting offensive linemen and all that.
12:36
SPEAKER_00: That's a that's a huge issue.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: Um But all these teams were beatable this year.
12:40
SPEAKER_01: Every single team on our schedule was beatable.
12:43
SPEAKER_01: We could have gotten 10 10 wins.
12:45
SPEAKER_01: We could have gotten I mean, if things go right way, we could have 11.
12:49
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, sky's the limit.
12:51
SPEAKER_00: We Kamarios guy's the limit.
12:53
SPEAKER_00: It's crazy how good he is, and uh it's just unfortunate that your team just falls apart like that when one guy's down, which that doesn't happen to everybody.
13:02
SPEAKER_00: There are lots of players uh lots of teams right now who star quarterbacks out and they're playing back up and they're not falling apart.
13:07
SPEAKER_00: No, and uh and that's that's the problem right there.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: Um but uh but it's the most Mississippi State thing ever.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: Ever.
13:14
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely just Indians the dead Indians under the burial ground.
13:19
SPEAKER_00: You know, they always say the curse of the Indians of Davis Wade's buried uh built on top of an ancient Indian ground.
13:24
SPEAKER_00: I think the Indians got mad when they saw the projection of the season coming on, the dead Indians there got us or something.
13:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then there's uh there's a conspiracy too about the practice field is right across from one of those electricity substations.
13:38
SPEAKER_01: Um and apparently there's like the uh is it candlestick park or somebody, something like in San Francisco across from one, and all the these teams that deal with all these injuries are across from those things.
13:49
SPEAKER_01: Like move move the practice facility, move the field, break the curse.
13:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's something going on.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: It definitely feels like a curse for sure.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: Uh but I I just I just don't get it.
14:01
SPEAKER_00: And and it's an unfortunate situation for Zach Selman, too, because he he's buddies with Levy.
14:06
SPEAKER_00: You know, you're never really supposed to hire your buddies, and uh, and you know, he's gonna have to fire him, you know, if if it comes to it.
14:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, who's gonna support Mississippi State football next year?
14:16
SPEAKER_00: Because it depends on dollars.
14:18
SPEAKER_00: This day and age, it all is about uh Hey Dad said that we'd have to spend$50 million on a roster next year to compete, to be competitive in the SEC, which I believe that.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: And who's gonna you got you just can only ask these big donors to give this much money, and they want to see the product on the field, they want to see the return on their investment and on their money.
14:36
SPEAKER_00: And if you're just I mean, I don't know, man, it's very frustrating.
14:40
SPEAKER_00: But Camario does make a difference.
14:42
SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, heck BW, me and you could be out there coaching and and we look good with Camario out there.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: That's that's what's crazy.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: He can make anybody out there look good.
14:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, so it it I do think we'll be better, but you've got to, you've gotta have him healthy.
14:56
SPEAKER_00: And he had the surgery, and they're expecting a full recovery on that.
14:59
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, you never know what happens, and you just I just I don't trust Lebby with anything, man.
15:04
SPEAKER_00: I don't trust him with his play calling, I don't trust what he says.
15:07
SPEAKER_00: I don't trust anything about the guy at all.
15:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't know him personally.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he might be a nice guy, but he just comes off as someone who does not know what he's doing and he's not not been doing his job, lazy pretty much, just uh not doing not doing his job, like recruiting and stuff.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: So um, I got a lot of uh decisions to make this year, but I I can assure you if we go if we go uh five and seven, he ain't coming back.
15:30
SPEAKER_00: There is no if he comes back at five and seven, people are gonna revolt around here, man.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: Really, really mad.
15:37
SPEAKER_00: But uh but but Vandy this weekend, BW.
15:40
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you got an offense, Mississippi State that can't score, Nick is averaging six six points a game.
15:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, how can you beat Vandy?
15:50
SPEAKER_00: Vandy uh is back to the doormat they always been without Pavia.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: But dude, we're we're below Vany.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: We're the worst of the worst.
15:59
SPEAKER_00: We're possibly without Kamario and the situation we're in right now.
16:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh we were probably one of the worst football teams in college football, which is crazy.
16:06
SPEAKER_00: We were in the top 25 a month ago, riding high.
16:09
SPEAKER_00: And uh, and we can't beat anybody.
16:11
SPEAKER_00: So, man, uh it's homecoming.
16:13
SPEAKER_00: I don't expect many people to be here, but I can tell you what, if we lose to Vandy, Auburn, obviously we're gonna lose, and all Miss are gonna lose, but Tennessee Tech, dude, there might be like less than 20,000 people in the season.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: It could be Toledo.
16:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: But Toledo, you know, that was at the beginning of the season, so people are still on board at this far into the season and and what's gone down, people won't show up at all.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: And uh, but I I'm not expecting a big crowd for homecoming, which is sad, but uh I don't know, BW.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: I I I'm I'm picking the Commodores to win.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
16:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think we're gonna lose.
16:48
SPEAKER_01: I think we're gonna lose 21-3.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're not gonna be able to score more than three.
16:52
SPEAKER_00: Nope.
16:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I I would say the same score.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: It's just uh it's crazy.
16:56
SPEAKER_00: I and I don't know what the situation.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: I've heard Shawan did not get, you know, when he got knocked out, I was like, oh, here we go.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: He's out for the year for sure.
17:04
SPEAKER_00: And he actually he looked better than Puckett, which surprisingly he should.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: He should.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: He played in the SEC.
17:09
SPEAKER_00: Puckett played at Jackson Prep.
17:11
SPEAKER_00: There shouldn't be a question about that.
17:13
SPEAKER_00: I don't that's why I don't understand about Lebe saying that Puckett beat him out in practice.
17:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, how?
17:18
SPEAKER_00: How did this guy that played at Jackson Prep beat out a guy that has experience in SEC football?
17:22
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't make sense.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: And of course, I've heard stuff about the money with Puckett Machine and everything, which, you know, this day and age, you know what to believe.
17:30
SPEAKER_00: But I don't uh I just I don't understand it, man.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: How did that guy you do that?
17:34
SPEAKER_00: You know, but uh you know, Puckett, there's nothing against him.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean he's he's he's busting his butt out there, but he just can't do it, man.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: He's not an SEC quarterback.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: He's he's somebody, it's like a he's not even D1 quarterback.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: So uh he's he's living his dream, I guess.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: But uh it's just he can't score.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: Can't score.
17:51
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I don't think we I don't think we win.
17:53
SPEAKER_00: I think you're I'm with you.
17:53
SPEAKER_00: I pick the same score, 21-3, Vandy.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: And uh it's gonna be it's gonna be crazy around here next week if that happens.
18:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is, Johnny, and and and I don't I don't know if I want to record another one of these uh unless we unless we maybe go undefeated.
18:07
SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll see what happens.
18:08
SPEAKER_01: But it's pretty depressing to talk about this.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: Well, let me let me let me tell you this real quick.
18:12
SPEAKER_00: My my hotboard right now, if who I've got, you know, Florida State just fired Mike Norm last week.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: So I was kind of I kind of didn't want that happening because I was like, if we're going through a coaching search, we don't need to have another big school out there needing another coach.
18:26
SPEAKER_00: So now you're going up against Florida State if you relieve Jeff Libby of his duties.
18:29
SPEAKER_00: And and I've seen Florida State's hotboard, and the hotboard that I've been seeing with Mississippi State names or people that are very familiar with the program, Manny Diaz was was on that list.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: I saw that.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: He's the head coach of Duke.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: If he came here, this would be his third go-around.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: Dan Mullen was on the list, which you know, love and hate him.
18:47
SPEAKER_00: He he he was success at Mississippi State.
18:49
SPEAKER_00: And I wasn't at state there in the NIL area, transfer port and all this stuff going on around.
18:53
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know how we would he would have done.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: If I was him, I would not take the job.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: I'd stay in Vegas.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: He's got it rolling, living life in Vegas, not having SEC pressure.
19:01
SPEAKER_00: But he was on the list.
19:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh Durgett, the guy from uh Wake Forest, Wake Forest is really, really good this year.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh he's on the list.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: I've also seen the coordinators, like I said, Charlie Weiss, Charles Huff.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: I like Charles Huff.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: I think he's he's a good name.
19:13
SPEAKER_00: He's in the saving coaching tree.
19:15
SPEAKER_00: And he coached at state with Moorhead, and he was at Southern Mist last year, turned them around.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: But he's been a different job the past three years.
19:23
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he'd leave Memphis for that, but he's a heck of a coach.
19:26
SPEAKER_00: But in my opinion, as I said earlier, we need to get after someone that has head coaching experience.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: And those guys, they're uh, you know, like I said, a lot of like I like Weiss, I think he'd be good, but I I'm I'd be against going for a coordinator in the spot we're in right now.
19:41
SPEAKER_00: We need to get someone who has the head coaching experience because it's showing right now, you know, Levy's never been one.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: He doesn't have a clue what he's doing.
19:48
SPEAKER_00: So this is year three.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: So we need uh we need experience, definitely.
19:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh so I don't know what Florida State's gonna do, but it would be tough.
19:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh but you being you know, in the same coaching search with Florida State, but I feel like if you pay someone good enough and go though, don't go the cheap ride, you could get a head coach.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: PJ Fleck, by the way.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: He was he was on the list.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: I like PJ Fleck a lot.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's Minnesota's coach.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: We beat, we beat him earlier this year.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: He's been successful at Minnesota uh ever since he's been there.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: And Minnesota and South Carolina, who we both beat that year this year, have turned it around.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: Like Minnesota, Amherst Beat, Indiana, South Carolina's winning games right and left.
20:27
SPEAKER_00: So like you said earlier, um then we could this guy's Lynn McGuire.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: We could have possibly gone undefeated.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: But uh, but PJ Fleck, I mean, if you pay that guy enough, he might leave Minnesota to come to SEC.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: It's all gonna come down to the mighty dollar.
20:40
SPEAKER_00: If you, if you if you pay the money, someone's you're gonna get a sitting head coach, they're gonna leave the comp, especially if it's uh if it's someone at a smaller school, like you're not gonna be able to grab a uh SEC head sitting head coach, come in to another SEC team.
20:53
SPEAKER_00: But if you can get someone at a smaller school who had coaching experience, get him in, he'll do it.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: Look at Will Stein in Kentucky.
20:59
SPEAKER_00: Who knew of that guy?
21:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, look what he's doing at Kentucky right now.
21:02
SPEAKER_00: So it just takes getting getting the right person in there, and you get the right person in there, you get support of the fan base, which Jeff Levy does not have right now, you can get, you can get, you can win because it takes a fan base to donate money this day and age.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: And you get the fan base behind you, you get you get lots of money being poured into building a roster and supporting the coach and the team and everything, then you're sitting good.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: So uh it's gonna it's gonna uh depend on who you get.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: And uh I just don't see us running the back with Levy again next year and going through this all over again.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: So uh people are fed up, man.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: People are fed up and they're just gonna not support and put their money elsewhere, which you know, more power to them.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: You know, who wants to support it when it's when it's bad?
21:40
SPEAKER_00: So that's just the way it is with college athletics.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: But uh, but yeah, those names would be on my hot hot list, uh, hot board list as well.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: And uh I'd love to see Dan Mullen back in Star Wars.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: That'll never happen.
21:51
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, we had it really good, BW, during those days.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: People, people whether they say, like, you know, we had it great with Stansbury too.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: You never know how good you had it until it's gone.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: And then when it's gone, you're like, oh man, I miss those days.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: They were those were great days.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: And uh, but enjoy it while you got it, I guess.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: But like we were enjoying Cor Mario, we had him while we got it, and then look what happens.
22:13
SPEAKER_00: But uh that was out of our control, and you know, the good Lord works in mysterious ways.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: He has he has a plan for that guy's life, and we'll see what happens.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: We have we'll see what happens uh with his life.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, he's he's a great leader on and off the field, and he's gonna do great things in life.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: And um, he's had the surgery, like I said, and he'll be ready, ready to go next year.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: But who the head coach is, I don't know.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: But I definitely think, like I said earlier, they need to sit that guy down and ask him and tell him what their thoughts are, and he needs to come out and say, Look, I'm a bulldog through and through.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: Let's roll with whoever we got and then make and then go from there.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: Well, Johnny, I say, in the words of Camario, stay safe, stay smooth, and have a great night.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: I agree 100%, man.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: All right, man.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: Well, we'll be back.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, we'll be back on.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: Lots of hoops talks coming up.
23:05
SPEAKER_00: Anwar, Jans, Hubbard, we got all those guys coming up soon within the next uh next few months.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: So uh go support the teams, both teams, the hump, uh, boys and girls, basketball.
23:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, they need support and uh, you know, both got wins, so that's good.
23:20
SPEAKER_00: It'll be uh interesting to see how the season plays out.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: But we all know when the hump's rocking, not another better place in the world like it.
23:28
SPEAKER_00: So uh back around, support the team, and and we'll be hearing from those guys shortly and talk talk some hoops, and maybe we'll be back on here to talk in football if things get a little bit better.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: All right.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: That's all right.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: Y'all stay tuned.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: See ya.
23:40
SPEAKER_01: Bye.
23:40
SPEAKER_01: All right, bye.