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#70: Cedric Vaughn-Arkansas Baptist College · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  Hey gang. Welcome to the gala FedEx
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  connections podcast, the show that brings you the men and
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  women of track and field and explores their unique Stories.
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  The show is brought to you by your left buttocks.
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  Head on over to Gila, fedex.com to find all your track and field
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  equipment needs. I'm your host, Mike Cunningham,
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  national sales manager for Gil and this episode Our Guest is
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  Cedric Von Cedric is the head coach of Arkansas Baptist
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  College, but really he's so much more had just an absolute blast.
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  I'm going to plug his Graham, he's got 20,000 followers.
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  If you are not one of his followers on Instagrams, I just
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  encourage you to follow him. He gives so much value there.
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  So he's at COA CH C VA ughn, so at coach see, Von go follow him
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  right now, just bring so much value there.
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  We talked about the Instagram near the end of today's episode.
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  We go through just an amazing time.
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  This dude is Arkansas through and through.
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  So, Going to really, really enjoy this one.
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  I know I did. I'm so so humbled, he would join
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  us today. So let's get to it.
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  Without further Ado, please help me.
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  Welcome the wise. The wonderful Cedric Vaughn Hey,
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  thanks for joining us here on the Gill, FedEx connections
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  podcast. This is I say this every time.
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  Every time this is going to be a fun one.
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  I am so happy, please help me. Welcome.
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  Cedric Vaughn from Arkansas. Baptist Cedric, how are you sir?
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  I'm doing great. Thanks.
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  Mike, thank you for having me today.
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  Pretty excited about doing this today with you.
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  This is fun, you know, half about half of our guests.
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  I know in some capacity, whether it's working with them, with
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  equipment, through Gill, or my former Our coaching life, the
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  other half are sometimes brand-new.
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  I've never met them outside of an email or something.
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  I feel like you and I kind of fit in the middle.
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  We've done some work at Gill and things like that but you're not
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  a complete stranger, we it's interesting.
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  Social media actually is how we kind of met and started talking
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  and things like that. So that's this will be a lot of
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  fun to learn more about you and what you do and how you do it.
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  I tell you, you know, we always do a little pre-interview if
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  you're listening. And for the first time, we
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  always do a little pre-interview that's not recorded just to get
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  to know the guests a little bit, get some flow and Direction.
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  Let me tell you. If you have any affinity for the
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  state of Arkansas, you've got the right guy right here, man.
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  Cedric is Arkansas through and through.
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  So citric, take us back, born in Arkansas.
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  Ran track, tell us a little bit about the, the background there
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  as it relates to track. Yes, sir.
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  So I'm of course, going in Little Rock Arkansas.
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  The high school here. So went the Seven Hills High
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  School and I've always known the University of Arkansas was
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  always had the best track program whatever.
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  So once I got into track, I think I got a track maybe around
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  seven grade but you know, I knew that if I was going to school, I
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  actually like the University of Kentucky basketball program, but
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  if I wanted to run track Arkansas with the place
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  Universal arcs, I wasn't playing.
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  Yeah, I still didn't believe that I got into it.
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  Absolutely, I have been at Arkansas, all alike, not ramped
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  up to place. The course.
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  Good Arkansas was is the place where I love and we're having to
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  be situated now. So, growing up in Little Rock
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  and through high school and you ran track since 7th grade.
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  It's amazing what Drew you to track and what events did you
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  do? And how, how did High School
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  career go? Where, I mean, you went to a
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  spoiler, you went to the University of Arkansas, you must
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  have been pretty good, but how does a house like this through
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  High School directly interested in?
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  The so I grew up in Little Rock Arkansas, but I grew up in an
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  area that was challenged with balance and gangs and things
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  like that. So at the time, I was in seventh
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  grade and some older kids at a high school, we're trying to
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  jump me at the time, I outran, like these 10th graders and 11th
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  graders and I was in seventh grade and, and one guy he see me
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  at school, the next day, he's like to, you should run track.
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  And so is crazy as it is. Whatever.
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  You know, he was, it was one of those, you know, kind of born
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  out of necessity type deals where I mean, I literally have
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  my backpack and I was booking and I think it was no maybe a
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  two or three city blocks or something like that, but they
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  will valves on my heels and I was like, look I can't I can't
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  do this today and I ran and I outran them and in fact, how did
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  he outrun us? And that's the kind of thing
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  that introduced me to track. So I mean, I know we're
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  laughing. About it and I can't help but
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  draw the parallel, love you outran, those kids and got into
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  track and went to college and doing what you do now.
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  But you also outran. He'll look, I know a little bit
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  of that Little Rock's, you know, it's got some some troubled
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  areas and to be economic issues and gangs and things like that.
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  But you also outran you know, that you could have easily.
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  I don't want to easily you could have fallen into that life but
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  instead you chose a different path.
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  I love that. That Elegy for track.
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  Actually, you know, in doubled the case it was it was I don't
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  know if your hair is long time ago, to have like banging A
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  Little Rock stuff like this. I was kind of born right there
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  in the middle of that born before that.
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  But I was growing up through elementary and middle school or
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  Junior High, my time of whatever through that time.
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  And so, you know, you had a choice, you know, you have to
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  street life and you, if you didn't want the street like you
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  had to do something extra to get out of it.
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  Whatever, you know, you know, I had, you know, had a great poem
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  structure of my mom and dad was there and everything like that,
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  it was still there. You know, you couldn't couldn't
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  escape, you know, it just just about.
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  Okay, I'm just gonna go to school.
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  You had to do something outside of it.
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  And so, I literally, you know, that after that day, that I
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  outran. Those guys, I had to walk a
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  mile, a different way to school to school.
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  Come on. She end up doing an Indian what
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  we call into him. In this was what we call a
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  minority to majority in so the programs are geared toward
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  getting your inner city, maybe black kids to a more rural white
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  school so on. So it's kind of we have a and I
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  think it's still your now where we had a bill in arts that where
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  you were trying to even out the schools.
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  And so the in the end was a part of that program to where, you
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  know, I could go from the inner city and I literally went 30
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  miles from school where I actually, Guarded by track head
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  as if Neil whatever a little bit later.
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  So and that's actually how I ended up like you said running
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  away from that, that life and doing something better with
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  myself in that amazing. You're telling a story you're
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  fairly young guy. You're telling the same story
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  that, you know, people that were born in the 40s and 50s and 60s.
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  I mean, I know we've made some progress but I mean man come on
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  right? That's amazing.
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  We could have a whole podcast just on redlining and that just
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  ridiculous or dick this stuff. So what so obviously you did you
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  maybe got introduced to the Sprints when you started track
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  is that where you kind of navigate it towards or do any
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  jumps and hurdles know? So, of course, there's a program
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  that I've never had any of that. I kind of like I said, we want
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  to see Heels, which was a you will it will.
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  They predominantly white school with a whole bunch of black
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  athletes wintertime or whatever. So obviously, you know, we got
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  put into Athletics and putting the strength and athletic
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  positions and which was a pretty cool thing.
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  I started out actually kind of running like I 800 400 and ended
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  up going on down further into your strengths.
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  As I moved up through High School, of course, you know we
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  back then which I still do. Today, I carry style used to
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  play every different sport but we play football in the street.
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  Yeah, the school goes, things like that.
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  So I played all three Sports, it just ended up by the time.
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  I got to high school. I love actually running track.
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  Hmm. So not steal played all three
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  Sports throughout all the way through my senior year track and
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  field was where my heart just kind of landed it.
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  So what was it? Because, you know, you name
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  three great Sports. They're obviously I'm a little
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  biased. I think track is the best sport.
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  What was it about track that? Like yeah, you know, I loved all
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  the sports but my heart was in track, you have control, you you
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  is something that you literally can make and it's nothing wrong
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  with team sports, and love team sports the love, the support of
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  it. But if you've been in track and
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  field, we could literally be at a sec meet, you still friends
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  with the people. You ran against.
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  It's so deep, detract world, in the still like that all the way
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  down. Into middle school or a you and
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  so on, you can run against someone to still be friends and
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  or you could, you know, will be attracting mates.
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  And, and I remember when we was young, we would mix and mingle
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  with different schools and things like that.
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  So, so track brings about a family.
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  It also brings about, you know, a sense of hey, you know, you
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  got to lead this thing. I think I'm a team captain maybe
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  in like tenth grade, which I had no idea.
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  Like, you know, it wasn't that I was just that good.
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  It was just, I guess how I work with the other kids and things
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  like Like that. And so, I mean it just feels
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  something. I remember I had a friend from
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  Cabot which was, you know, I mean, we just, we should have
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  been friends just from where he's from and so on.
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  But we literally raced each other all the time, whatever.
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  We got to a point where like, hey man, how are you doing?
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  So we built a friendship on just racing, I don't, you know, I
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  don't know, you know where else you can do that.
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  So yeah that's true you talk about a family.
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  A lot of times with football and basketball teams, you know, it's
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  considered a family, you know, depend you know how it goes and
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  what you do to me, what you're describing is a sense of
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  community because it comes outside of your school now and
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  it is interesting to track right?
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  Because it's one of those Sports where.
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  Yeah certainly your lined up against the next guy and who
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  gets to the Finish Line as first.
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  But you're you're really that I don't want to say You're really
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  but you're a big part of it too. Is, can I stop that stopwatch
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  faster than I ever have? Can I stretch that measuring
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  tape farther than I? I ever have you're really up
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  against this, you know, this universal photo, which is time
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  and distance. That's so cool.
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  Truly, you know, I guess equality type sport.
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  Everybody has to compete against that bar or everybody gets that
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  same line, you know, everybody gets the same distance so it's
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  truly, you can come from anywhere and you could be
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  anybody, everybody competes on the same playing field.
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  Whatever. So, I will, you know, I thought
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  that was a pretty good quote, you know what you, right,
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  everybody does conduct compete against the same poll ball pole,
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  you know, everything is pretty much the same across the board.
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  Yeah, Alex heacock. He's the head coach at William
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  and Mary that recently made a terrible decision to drop their
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  men's indoor and outdoor track teams.
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  And he made some really interesting statement that kind
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  of like you to what you just said right there.
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  Like oh like we live it so we sometimes Forget it one of his
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  tweets and I would encourage you to go on Twitter and find Alex.
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  He got one of his tweets was about inclusiveness that, you
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  know, we have so many different event areas from throws jump
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  Sprints distance at cetera that we take everybody tall, short,
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  big small, it like there is a place for you in track and field
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  and then it's his next tweet was the diversity.
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  It's like, Again, black brown white age, I mean it literally
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  does not matter. We have some place where you can
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  achieve success compete in something.
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  Absolutely. Yeah, I mean the barrier entry,
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  I mean when you talk about tennis and golf and swimming, I
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  mean, boy, you're buried in trees, pretty high.
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  The expense of coaching expensive facilities.
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  I was talking to someone the other day.
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  We were come out swimming. I'm from I'm from rural Alabama.
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  Do you know similar ish to literally Rock bigger city than
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  what I grew up in? But, you know, my school didn't
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  have a swimming pool. So there there would have been
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  no way for me to become a champion swimmer.
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  Not at all. But we had a track and even I've
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  heard of places that you don't even have a track.
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  I think a few years, say a few years ago, I think it was in the
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  90s that that's how old I'm getting such a few years ago,
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  was in the 90s. I think it was Jasper Texas.
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  Remember when I was in high school, I remember reading in
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  Sports Illustrated, they won the Texas.
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  The championship without a track and I was like holy cow like
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  like that's pretty impressive. Like you mean first of all in
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  the state of Texas even but like you're able to coach the sport
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  with the kids that are available in your school without a proper
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  facility just it literally is the greatest sport in the world
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  you know it I say it all the time I just need to feel you
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  know you know you know that's right.
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  So you go through silver. And he'll it's Sylvan Hills and
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  do a great job. It seemed like, maybe you were
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  always destined to go to the University of Arkansas, or did
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  you choose are like, well, I chose for the, I'm not literally
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  walked on our universe Arkansas. I mean, you gotta think the
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  level in which Universe are copper.
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  I think, matter of fact, you know, great names like Daniel
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  Lincoln and Samuel glug. All alone walking on at the
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  time, I whatever. So I chose Universe art style
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  based on how good they were in track.
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  Like I said, Love University of Kentucky but they were the best
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  about school at the time. I just knew that if I that I was
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  dead, passionate about track. I should go there.
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  That's why I enrolled. Oh I applied and got accepted my
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  senior year and so on. And I was showing people to my
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  acceptance or I think we got acceptance letters back in the
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  day, we didn't have social media.
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  So, we had to kind of work my way in there, but it was just
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  because I wanted to be there. I mean, I, you know, I ended up
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  in a kid in there and still not knowing because I came from a
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  track program, but it wasn't even like we know.
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  Now, you know, I, if I had a question, I can say, Hey, you
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  know, Mike, what would you do about this or something?
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  Like, we just didn't have that, it will just run.
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  You know? And so one of the big things and
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  you know later is I try to tell people, hey, this is what
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  running is about and it's why you do it.
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  Well, I didn't know any of that stuff.
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  I was just going and I got up there and Olympia.
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  I think about yourself though. So first of all you accept the
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  challenge to walk on at, you know, as a former coach at
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  Mississippi State, this is a little hard to say but it is the
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  truth. You choose the challenge of
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  walking onto one of the greatest College Programs we have.
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  You were there during a very special time.
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  It's interesting. You and I time overlap while you
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  were on the Arkansas Team, I was coaching at Mississippi State,
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  so you took that challenge and then when you got there, you
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  didn't make it the first time. You try it out.
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  You could have easily talked about paths earlier, right?
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  You could have easily quit and just become a student and, and
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  had a great why? I mean, that's not a bad path to
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  choose. It's the majority path, right?
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  Most people go to school and Don't do try you.
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  Try it out again and then when you make it, you know, during
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  this whole time you're realizing like, oh my Olympian.
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  Oh, my All-American. Like, you know, again there's a
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  choice. You'd be like, well, wait a
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  minute, I'm not. What am I doing here or like?
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  Okay, I may not be an Olympian but I'm gonna give it my best
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  and let's see where the chips fall on this thing.
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  So, I love that you're telling us something pretty important
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  about your attitude towards achievement like the trying
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  aspect of it. I think it's a testament to our
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  sport of track and field in Denison Testament to character,
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  always try to push people like dude, just set a goal.
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  Setter drink, you know? Just believe in something and go
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  after it spoke. It's supposed to look
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  impossible. That's what makes it, you know,
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  you know, if it looks impossible and it looks hard, that's what's
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  going to make it work. It, you know.
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  So so it's supposed to look that way and even supposed to feel
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  them. But that's what's going to make
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  when you get there so much more better so much more important.
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  That's what the, that's where the glory comes from, you know,
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  when it, when it doesn't look like the right.
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  And so now, I'm saying that now, in hindsight, I didn't, I didn't
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  know that. So, talk to me during this time
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  there at Arkansas. Again you know, I'm a little
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  close to it. I think it's one of the greatest
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  times for the University of Arkansas, even though boy,
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  that's a hard one to do because the Arkansas has so many
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  national champions but this time period specifically, your last
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  couple of years ago for and 05, I was coaching Sprints and
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  hurdles and jumps over at Mississippi State.
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  So, and I actually most people, I think know, by now, I actually
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  came from the Juco side. I was a junior college coach in
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  Kansas. So I recruited actually, I
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  recruited Tyson Gay as well. Well, I don't know why he didn't
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  choose me. Okay, whatever he went to, Lance
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  Brahman, whatever, whatever Tyson if you're listening, he
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  knows I've talked to before. So bitter, it just had Destiny
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  Ivy just got Steve moves and Mississippi State.
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  That's right. Exactly.
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  Right. And what a great kid, Man - fact
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  that we're trying to stack and pouted year or whatever.
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  And so we I think they meant something went to Auburn and I
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  think another key was somewhere sleeping with her.
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  Yeah, yeah. So we just Such a great time and
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  now you bring it back so many different memories.
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  But, yeah. So so, of course, I was there a
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  little bit earlier than so cool. Grandma got got their 2002-2003
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  season one indoor. One indoor we didn't do a triple
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  crown so so, yeah, we didn't do trip breath again.
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  When I do, I think it was maybe our affordable, but the
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  greatness was really starting to build.
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  Now, course it was. It was a triple crown back in
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  2000 or back in 1999 or whatever.
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  So dealt those seniors and those other people always teased us,
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  you don't got ripped around whatever so that's how great
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  their house all day. That's the level they're at.
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  But at the time we were, I think we're building that he had
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  coached. I say he cooks Madonna had just
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  hired code brahminy and I had no idea.
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  I wonder where the junior college see it.
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  So I had no idea how good coach Brian was or how good he did it
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  Bart. Of course you had a coach boobs
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  and I think Brian Wellman was up there.
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  Practicing like we still had be, Rock was still running, just a
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  lot of grateful still up there. Are around and kind of hanging
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  around placing things like this. You got to see people.
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  So, of course, I didn't have any idea of the magnitude that was
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  going on, but it was still a great environment.
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  Yeah. Kenny everything.
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  All your jumper. So every day, when we practice
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  in the indoor facility, everybody would be in there.
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  Maybe not the distance runs all the time, but they would be in
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  there. So so a lot of my knowledge came
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  from just kind of being around people.
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  So I would be up there and I remember Melville is And all the
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  great job just literally sounded like a track meet watching them
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  practice. I mean it was you know, they're
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  being they're talking noise each other.
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  I mean practice was it was intense so that's going over
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  there to Jumping kid. You know you got something going
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  on at the high jump here. Oh everything you, you know if
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  we won running I think maybe the distance got to get it there
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  beforehand and so you would have maybe coach Mac if he got them
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  in the he didn't like running them on the bank or whatever
• 22:07
  which what do you know, reason what they would kind of be hard
• 22:10
  on that ride on their legs and feet?
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  And at the time we it's a track underneath the bank track and so
• 22:16
  we were running outside of it. So it's a so a lot of times they
• 22:20
  would put us on the outside when the weather wasn't good for us
• 22:22
  here in Fayetteville Arkansas, but I sounded to say to kind of
• 22:25
  give you a picture. Yeah.
• 22:27
  Of all of these people and all of these great people kind of
• 22:31
  running and training and things like that, that's going on.
• 22:35
  I mean I mean just just just greatness.
• 22:38
  Everywhere in even in that, you know, Coast gold.
• 22:42
  You got to think he I think at that time he still had, you
• 22:45
  know, maybe eight guys, you know, lazing.
• 22:48
  I haven't had already been to the Olympics or whatever.
• 22:51
  So even the greatness that was coming in behind him.
• 22:54
  Behind them were, you know? They were good.
• 22:55
  They were out there to be good. It's like you get to experience
• 22:59
  that on a day-to-day basis when it came time, I think when coach
• 23:03
  Brahma came and he brought a couple athletes with him, but
• 23:06
  Tyson gave her on camera. And then we'll come in in the
• 23:09
  next year. And so I was fortunate enough to
• 23:12
  the kind of recruit them and LaShawn.
• 23:14
  Merritt course, you know, he went there, he Carolina walk
• 23:17
  dicks. All those people, you know, I
• 23:18
  kind of have a host and bringing it was really cool.
• 23:21
  So so you got to think even, you know, no, they ran against us,
• 23:27
  we ended up just being friends, only just be a recruiting.
• 23:31
  So they spent the weekend with, you know, you know, we were
• 23:34
  literally just kind of hang out and you know you go to a party.
• 23:38
  Heather, but we stay friends. We didn't have social media back
• 23:40
  and so we kept each other strong stuff like that.
• 23:43
  And then we see each other attract mates, you know, that
• 23:46
  would kind of develop. But it was, it was always an
• 23:49
  awesome, awesome time. Specially, you got to our indoor
• 23:51
  meats and our SEC Meats, which, you know, it was still a great
• 23:55
  meet up and I'm pretty sure the coaches had the same type of,
• 23:59
  you know, it may be some type of arrival, but it still was a
• 24:02
  mutual respect going on or whatever.
• 24:04
  You know, I remember That's what it was, 2005.
• 24:09
  I think was 2005. When when Sonny Richard broken
• 24:12
  record, Quran Clement broken record but the 2005 endure that
• 24:17
  sound right. Yeah, they do, right?
• 24:20
  Yeah, I think walls would 2010 at last and I want to share two
• 24:26
  isn't your 2005 or 2004 it? I think 05 we were at Kentucky
• 24:33
  for scc's indoors and Vanderbilt for outdoors.
• 24:36
  Yes. If I remember, right?
• 24:38
  Well, what about? I'm thinking of nasty.
• 24:41
  Oh, I'm doing an imitation Arkansas.
• 24:45
  Yeah. This limitation at the you 2004
• 25:09
  he said, hold on. He's just hold your horses.
• 25:11
  I got something for you and this is a Tyson Invitational become
• 25:16
  back to Nationals quranic. Let me go, 40, 45 better.
• 25:20
  Hey I mean so you got coach miles which is which is total
• 25:23
  away or whatever saying, hey just wait just wait, I got
• 25:27
  something for you. I remember you say it there and
• 25:30
  literally come back with two, three weeks later at Nationals
• 25:33
  and and crunch time it breaks, you know, he goes 40 45 ever.
• 25:38
  So, so, I mean, so to, you know, greatness and things like that
• 25:44
  there was around, so it was, it was definitely a, you're
• 25:47
  literally bringing back the memories that you're talking to
• 25:50
  me. So that's why I'm kind of, I
• 25:51
  remember about that. I was at Ball State University
• 25:55
  coaching the women when I got the opportunity to come to
• 25:57
  Mississippi State. And I, and my whole career was
• 26:00
  to get to the SEC. Because, I mean, I have some non
• 26:03
  SE see people on here. Sometimes I'm like, you just
• 26:05
  don't know that Cece. You grow up in.
• 26:07
  It is the conference. Okay, I'm so sorry.
• 26:10
  I love all the other conferences now, but it was all about the
• 26:13
  SEC, so my whole career was to get to the SEC.
• 26:16
  And I remember when Al Schmidt told me, you know, hey, you
• 26:20
  know, you got the job and everything and I remember
• 26:22
  thinking, oh man, life just got easier like recruiting.
• 26:28
  No one knows what I'd call ball. Stay pure like a who's where's
• 26:30
  balls? They discussed up as like
• 26:32
  everybody's Gonna Know, Mississippi, State and SEC and
• 26:35
  then I get there. And I remember, One of the first
• 26:37
  people I recruited was LZ Coleman.
• 26:39
  Headley, who is from New York's at the end or High School
• 26:41
  National Record holder, and the 400 and we signed him spoiler,
• 26:46
  we signed him at Mississippi state, but I remember talking to
• 26:49
  LZ and I was like so LD, who else are you considerate?
• 26:52
  And he was like, yeah, you know, Florida and I was like, oh, oh
• 26:55
  yeah Mouse. He was like Texas.
• 26:58
  I think was one Arkansas, it was all Baylor because he's a
• 27:03
  quarter mile, ER, and I was like, I was like, wait a minute,
• 27:06
  wait, I've got to beat Mouse Holloway for a kid.
• 27:09
  I've got to be lanced. Brahmin who I went to battle
• 27:12
  with and Juco ranks. I'm like wait a minute, life
• 27:15
  didn't get easier, life just got harder.
• 27:31
  It's terrible, it's terrible. Let me tell you, every I should
• 27:36
  say. Everybody.
• 27:36
  You know, a lot of people dream like again that was me.
• 27:38
  I was the dream where I was like man I want to coach SEC and then
• 27:41
  you get in there and it is the literal blood bath.
• 27:46
  I mean, we at Mississippi State, you know, we ran three flat 301
• 27:50
  in the 4 by 4 and we have new pretty good, right?
• 27:53
  I don't think we finish better than fifth in the conference in
• 27:55
  the 4 by 4. Most of the time we didn't even
• 27:58
  run it. We were, we weren't even in it
• 27:59
  for the team title. So we would rest them for
• 28:01
  Nationals my last year. This, this is literally was part
• 28:05
  of why I got out of coaching. I'm the opposite of you.
• 28:07
  You were like a challenge. All right.
• 28:09
  I'll run with Tyson, whatever. Yeah, I was like, man.
• 28:11
  I'm probably not cut out for this get 2005.
• 28:14
  We're at Nationals. I can't was it Sacramento.
• 28:18
  I came here was they all again. They all, you know, I'm so old.
• 28:22
  They all blend together a little bit but we yeah, we ran three
• 28:26
  flat .8. I think, was just over three
• 28:29
  flat but you know, when you run three flat, you're supposed to
• 28:31
  win, I mean, seriously, three flat, and for before you're
• 28:35
  supposed to win, we Were fifth at Nationals, Ellis you set the
• 28:41
  National Record Xavier Willie? Yep.
• 28:44
  Maybe Benny was on that. Yep.
• 28:46
  Yeah, they set the National Record.
• 28:49
  I think Texas Tech was up there. Minnesota, who?
• 28:53
  I mean we got it, we ran three flat, we got fit subject, dude.
• 28:58
  I was like, I'm an I don't know that I can do any better of a
• 29:01
  job for me. They with me so bad, they ran
• 29:07
  me. I quit coaching to move to Vegas
• 29:08
  and play poker for a living. They wouldn't be so bad.
• 29:10
  All those guys had Henry and Dennis and Lance Brahman.
• 29:16
  Thank you. I know, Lance Brockman listens,
• 29:17
  Lance, thanks. You just ran me right out of
• 29:19
  coaching my friend. I tell you what.
• 29:24
  Brahman is such a legend in his own, right?
• 29:29
  And I mean like he just knowledge.
• 29:32
  I think to me just to me was before his time, I was literally
• 29:37
  took just memories because I was recording it.
• 29:40
  And so I still actually I wish I would have got him but I got all
• 29:43
  my workouts from 2002. He used to put them on like a
• 29:49
  little counter that I T. So from that's why we used to
• 29:52
  all keep but I literally got them all and so it just I had no
• 29:58
  idea. I just keep the workout that the
• 30:00
  time and I some reason I just kept him for the next 20 years
• 30:03
  or whatever, but his workouts were just like, I don't know,
• 30:08
  like golden, whatever. I had no idea how good they were
• 30:11
  reading and so on like that. And so when I got into coaching,
• 30:15
  of course, I was nowhere near coach's kid type of athletes
• 30:18
  that he was coached by modify them all and kind of changed it,
• 30:21
  but just Information that that, that that he would give, you
• 30:25
  know, that's literally how I started coaching, you know.
• 30:29
  It B I remember also coach McDonald which I don't you know
• 30:33
  I don't I don't want to praise them but literally parts to me
• 30:37
  came from coach you know, McDonald Coke, Brahman and Coke
• 30:41
  Greendale and so I will watch watch coach Mac.
• 30:44
  He would coach the kids, you know, the distance problem and
• 30:47
  so at the time we didn't really get to see him a lot but when we
• 30:50
  did we'll just pretty neat. I think I was tired one day.
• 30:53
  Maybe I was over to the side and he was coaching them and I just
• 30:56
  remember him talking. I think maybe they're doing like
• 30:58
  a like repeat that out into something and and it taught me
• 31:03
  something and they had to hit a certain time so maybe they would
• 31:06
  do it thousands. And I think they had to maybe
• 31:09
  knockout 27 seconds or Twenty twenty six point five it was
• 31:13
  something pretty accurate and I think one kid got off and I
• 31:17
  heard him talking to him hey you know you know it is it is
• 31:20
  average. I said yeah.
• 31:23
  You gotta stay there, you're getting off and there's no way
• 31:26
  you'll get the time and I'm like, that's why we got to hit
• 31:30
  these laughs at this Earth. I mean, you just a little bit of
• 31:32
  knowledge. Now I understand, I totally
• 31:34
  understand it. I mean, I think he may have got
• 31:36
  off and maybe one kid ran too fast and so it which it made
• 31:40
  sense and I don't know it at the time, but he would eat this one.
• 31:43
  Kid would run and he would die off, maybe his to lapse into
• 31:47
  left before the fantasy. And another kid will be trying
• 31:50
  to kick, but he would run out of time.
• 31:51
  Time and just hearing him explain that, they have to go.
• 31:54
  Maybe I'll see Craig and maybe someone else or whatever Mo
• 31:58
  Vania or a couple of the kids are really good and they had to
• 32:02
  sit there and have to listen to him.
• 32:04
  He once told him he was explaining this time whatever so
• 32:09
  just that type of knowledge and you don't know what this is
• 32:12
  group. I still based it you know in my
• 32:14
  Sprite use the same type of thinking.
• 32:18
  I'm not saying this, right? And if it's everybody, by you
• 32:20
  the same type of thing, Thinking, you know, I need you
• 32:22
  to do this, you know, based on that.
• 32:24
  So you were with some just I mean it's it's weird to call
• 32:30
  someone a legend, right? I mean, you know, but but you're
• 32:34
  with some Legends here, man. I mean, you know, Lance is
• 32:36
  amazing. Dick is amazing.
• 32:38
  Lonnie is just that to me is a legend because not only is
• 32:43
  coaching, but his personality in optimism is just Through the
• 32:49
  roof coast. Of course, coach Mack your
• 32:51
  Woodson, these Legends, where were you?
• 32:54
  In your thought process? As far as becoming a coach
• 32:57
  yourself where you studying? I don't know, something to
• 33:01
  become a coach or what were you thinking for profession?
• 33:05
  So so, so, I never did. I thought, you know, I don't
• 33:08
  know, you know, it at the time, the universe are so really good
• 33:11
  engineer, so I'm thinking maybe like a good sign for something
• 33:14
  like that. I'll go back the hands of time I
• 33:16
  would have, you know, got a degree Green.
• 33:18
  I don't know teaching them something I would or whatever,
• 33:21
  but at the time I it will just you just got to think if you
• 33:25
  know a lot about cars and you just know racing, I hang around
• 33:28
  you. I'm just, you know, I'm going to
• 33:30
  know a little bit more than the average person just because I
• 33:32
  hung around someone that new stuff.
• 33:34
  And so I got into coaching because I like working with
• 33:38
  kids, to be honest, which I never thought I was going to be
• 33:40
  a coach, actually, you know, had moved back to Little Rock or
• 33:43
  someone's like, man, my kid makes this and I just started
• 33:46
  repeating some of the solid phase.
• 33:48
  Go to college? Yeah, some stuff already.
• 33:51
  Kind of knew it that I have learned.
• 33:53
  So being around them, I was just punch but I did not know.
• 33:56
  I was just calling, I was just trying to do what they said.
• 33:58
  Kind of your natural state is just a listen and learn and
• 34:03
  yeah, because I think there were people like Tyson Gay and got
• 34:12
  all these great psychos. Burma literally brought a
• 34:15
  championship, not saying that coach Mac and I won.
• 34:18
  He literally recruiter and brought his championship team
• 34:21
  Kraken barred and brought it to Arkansas, whatever, soda level
• 34:24
  of talent that he brought was, you know, you know, just
• 34:27
  amazing. And so the, the coaching had to
• 34:30
  be amazing. And so I would be at the back of
• 34:34
  the pack learning gain in my way up, just because of the fact
• 34:38
  that I was introduced to new information introduced, the how
• 34:41
  to breed introduced to this and so on and so just by me wanting
• 34:44
  to just get better. And then I became friends with
• 34:47
  people. Will they want you to get
• 34:49
  better? So the environment was was was
• 34:52
  don't get me wrong. There was people truly there,
• 34:56
  you know, like working with the time we reported the number one
• 35:00
  guy out of Ohio. I think you have to state record
• 35:03
  at the time or whatever and he didn't do well so so you can
• 35:07
  make your choice. You know, you could you could
• 35:09
  you could say hey I'm going to do whatever I can to be great or
• 35:11
  I'm going to get called in to whatever else is going on in the
• 35:15
  college or whatever. So I think I would just Is
• 35:18
  blessed in a way that I was able to pull in put out information,
• 35:22
  kind of make the right choices to keep me in line with going
• 35:25
  forward. And so I ended up starting
• 35:28
  coaching way after leaving University of Arkansas just
• 35:32
  based off the knowledge of hanging around young people, you
• 35:35
  know, so it was never something that I sought after never
• 35:38
  something that I thought about what, especially, at that time,
• 35:41
  you know, it was interesting. It was just having fun for me,
• 35:45
  whatever, but what do they say, if you If you do what you love,
• 35:50
  you'll never work a day in your life type of thing.
• 35:52
  I hear that a lot from coaches but then I'd like to remind them
• 35:55
  of that when they're doing their paperwork and stuff and like oh
• 35:57
  yeah you do you're doing what you love because it ain't all
• 35:59
  about being on that track baby it ain't for me but and husband
• 36:12
  and father would that person become what type of you know
• 36:15
  mother would she be what type of woman would be after?
• 36:18
  Matter of fact, what is your relationship with them after?
• 36:20
  Do they invite you to the wedding invite you and say, hey,
• 36:23
  you know, coach come to my graduation?
• 36:25
  I would rather, I would rather them invite me to family events,
• 36:30
  you know, you know didn't say, hey I made the run fast or
• 36:33
  whether it's cool, run fast and good.
• 36:35
  But I think at least you know in my knowledge now I love seeing
• 36:39
  my kids. They success I say kids I need
• 36:41
  to stop thinking because they're adults now but I love seeing a
• 36:43
  big more successful off the track you know just well On the
• 36:48
  track. But most people, you know, what
• 36:50
  are you coaster? My clothes from oppose Brown,
• 36:52
  whoever it was gonna end up being fast anyway or being good.
• 36:55
  You know, if they applied herself, what I try to look for
• 36:58
  is the character, you know, I think what brahmos?
• 37:01
  Always honest, coach Mac coachline agree on, hold on,
• 37:05
  with just great me and Coach big boots.
• 37:08
  I mean I just remembered them always being honest, I think, 10
• 37:11
  years ago, well not 10 years ago outside, maybe eight or nine
• 37:15
  years ago, coach Mac a Costa Rica I don't think I went back
• 37:19
  to bed, but to do something and I was in a bank and I was having
• 37:21
  trouble getting something done and Coach Mac, I just remembered
• 37:25
  it for today. Hope Matt came up behind me.
• 37:27
  I didn't realize it behind me said, you know, I helped this
• 37:30
  young man out, you know, and now telling around his Coke back
• 37:33
  behind me and he's like, whatever you need.
• 37:36
  Let's make it happen. Just how coach Mac was.
• 37:38
  I mean, just remember me, like, me has had thousands of athletes
• 37:43
  come up behind me like I'm wearing Arc.
• 37:45
  So good, anything like that? I mean, you know, a bank on The
• 37:51
  Cordon Fabian. I don't know why I came in there
• 37:53
  but he just stands there and and make sure I get whatever I get
• 37:57
  done and everything like that and so that, you know, that's
• 38:01
  the test whether they carry. Yeah.
• 38:04
  Prominent and so long. Like I could literally, you
• 38:06
  know, I try not to cut those God to be the things like that, but
• 38:09
  I could literally go with in-text a call Coach brahmana
• 38:13
  stunt like that and he would give would give you information.
• 38:16
  Yeah. So I like I said, I think
• 38:18
  they'll be great. Great people to be around.
• 38:21
  So if we're talking about me, you talking about Coach green
• 38:24
  and all of them, are you talking about all of those people?
• 38:26
  Yeah, no, I think you're right. You know, we, we are a product
• 38:30
  of the people around us and again, going back to, you know,
• 38:33
  how you got into track, we can surround ourselves with people
• 38:37
  who do bad, not bad people. People who do bad, or we can
• 38:40
  surround ourselves with people who do good and people who have
• 38:43
  integrity and Care Charisma and character and that To you seem
• 38:49
  to have surrounded yourself with and certainly, you know, having
• 38:51
  known a lot of the guys coaches and a few of the athletes and I
• 38:56
  consider Wallace and friend as well that you know, men of
• 39:00
  character women of character that you know, are always
• 39:03
  working to do the right thing at at all the time.
• 39:05
  So that's that's amazing and I love that you're exemplifying
• 39:09
  that in your your coach and your interaction with young men and
• 39:12
  women on a daily basis. So tell me about Arkansas,
• 39:16
  Baptist College, I admittedly I don't know much about that
• 39:19
  school. Unfortunately.
• 39:20
  Well well, so so Arts. Are Baptist College.
• 39:23
  Is is a four-year institution, I but it's junior, colleges
• 39:28
  Sports. Who is two years.
• 39:30
  And so my kids are come here. Most of the time, I'm recruiting
• 39:34
  me, and I really actually don't approve, but there are coming in
• 39:38
  and there's been two years here graduate with an associate's
• 39:42
  degree, and then they will end up at the editor different
• 39:46
  college, or whatever, you know. So, You know, D1, colleges or D
• 39:49
  to whoever will come in recruit the kids and I will move on.
• 39:52
  So that's kind of how that works.
• 39:54
  So, is it so that, that's interesting.
• 39:57
  So if I go to school at Arkansas Baptist, I could say all four
• 40:01
  years and receive a bachelor's solutely.
• 40:04
  You can have fun, but yeah. Okay, all the way through
• 40:07
  Masters, right? Yeah, I'm from Alabama, I don't
• 40:11
  really Masters, I don't know that bad.
• 40:12
  I'm lucky that I got an undergrad degree man.
• 40:14
  Come on now. Come on.
• 40:20
  And if you're right, exactly, and if you're an athlete, you
• 40:24
  can only go two years. There is no junior, senior
• 40:27
  Athletics. You sophomore?
• 40:29
  You receive your just like a, the junior?
• 40:31
  Yeah. I coached in the Kansas, junior
• 40:33
  college ranks and things like that you and you move on to a D3
• 40:36
  D2 NAIA D1 program after that. Yeah, exactly.
• 40:41
  So I actually got some kids and not everybody's going to move on
• 40:46
  and Trey So I actually got some kids that is graduated from our
• 40:50
  subchapter, your four-year degrees and I'm just as proud of
• 40:52
  them as I am for all of my young people that got their a degree
• 40:56
  and they went on, you know, I've had several kids, go to art
• 41:00
  style course. I've had certain, you know,
• 41:02
  people go to Mississippi State. I've had kids at Florida State
• 41:06
  and Texas Tech and and different places.
• 41:08
  So I got I mean I got kids at different schools as small as
• 41:12
  Western Kentucky even smaller school and so even my local,
• 41:17
  Rules around here. Recruited a lot of my kids.
• 41:19
  Not flannel Smith and and I think University of Arkansas at
• 41:23
  Little Rock to all of the schools have recruited my kids.
• 41:28
  I think I've had some kid to go to a state reason.
• 41:30
  I bring up a state I think they just ordered two pole vaulting
• 41:33
  maybe two years ago on a really cool looking.
• 41:36
  I love walking in there. Yeah, jiajia Athletics make them
• 41:40
  to Provost and this is the coolest thing ever to get
• 41:43
  graphic on there anyway. So that's funny.
• 41:46
  Please keep going. Keep going.
• 42:17
  That young man, a young lady in that wants to get better and I
• 42:21
  have no prayers to soak. So I'm in a program where I'm
• 42:24
  not trying to win the NJCAA, junior college national title.
• 42:30
  I just want you to get better now I have I got nothing and had
• 42:33
  a lot of success. I'm doing cause program.
• 42:35
  Yes, I have, but most of the time it's my one percent
• 42:39
  graduation rate that I would rather sell to you.
• 42:42
  Then you get it faster. It's the hey, you're a better
• 42:45
  person. Hey, you Got a job here.
• 42:48
  So I've had kids that I even got cases coaching now, whatever,
• 42:52
  so, which is really cool. And so, I guess he said a
• 42:56
  coaching, young people that are that got great careers and so
• 43:00
  on. And so I kind of like it that
• 43:01
  way, it definitely benefits me and I ended up, you know, I end
• 43:05
  up getting some really, really talented kids I or Ivor, I say
• 43:09
  that I've had some kids that were maybe passed up by your D1
• 43:13
  program today. Two programs, I think I had a
• 43:15
  kid, Mike It washed it, I think. I mean like 52 seconds in the
• 43:20
  400 which is totally on, recruitable by a four-year
• 43:23
  school, you know, left outgoing, 46:10 20-point 40, holy crap, in
• 43:30
  three, you know, and so then dick goes into my development
• 43:36
  mindset. It was always, I never had the
• 43:39
  talent that I had at, you know, that the Universe was always,
• 43:44
  you know, what can I do with this?
• 43:45
  Young lady who runs the minute. Can I get You down the
• 43:47
  55-second, you know? And that's how it happened.
• 43:50
  I've never you know not my kid Kennedy, now with 20 point but
• 43:54
  I've been coaching, it's not great.
• 43:56
  But I've never had, you know, recruiting in a 21 Low kids or
• 44:00
  anything like that. I just have to take time and
• 44:03
  take you from a 22 to 21 1 to 20 point, you know, you know,
• 44:08
  Haiti, you know that type of deal?
• 44:10
  Yes, I've had success that way. Well, I love the uniqueness of
• 44:14
  that college because you're right, especially in the Junior
• 44:16
  College route. You know, not everybody is going
• 44:18
  to go on to compete, athletically at a 4-year.
• 44:22
  So I love that option that. Okay, if my career is my
• 44:26
  athletic career is over, I stayed the same school.
• 44:29
  I keep going like the continuity there and you know the academic
• 44:34
  success there. That's super unique is right
• 44:36
  now. If you go to a traditional
• 44:38
  junior college and you don't go on, athletically, will you still
• 44:41
  if you're going to go on, academically got to transfer
• 44:43
  schools and all that. That's that's super unique.
• 44:46
  How long have you been there now?
• 44:47
  Now, so so, dr. Fitts he'll hide me on, is the
• 44:51
  first track coach. So we, I started to track
• 44:53
  program back into that taking are starting to thousand solder.
• 44:57
  Trying to 2009 for the 2010 season in 2010 to.
• 45:01
  Now, I've been the head coach there and so dr.
• 45:04
  Fitch Hill, which was the president, at the time, it's not
• 45:06
  the president anymore. He hired me on and gave me.
• 45:10
  My first coaching position. I was a trainer before but I was
• 45:13
  never a coach. So my first coaching position,
• 45:16
  was a head coach. Um, Baptist College and which I
• 45:21
  literally can't. So, this was 2009-2010.
• 45:26
  I literally had kids from like 2007 2008 and so graduates.
• 45:33
  So what you what you know you're not dealing with first high
• 45:35
  school after he dealing with maybe some kids that didn't run
• 45:38
  the first year and so on at the time.
• 45:41
  So Katrina, I think Hurricane Katrina happened in two
• 45:44
  thousand, five, two thousand. Five.
• 45:47
  So I literally had kids from Louisiana, like that and 2010
• 45:53
  and so the deal it's helped me to to not judge.
• 45:59
  It taught me to kind of look at people a little bit different
• 46:03
  and it helped develop me because you're dealing with kids that
• 46:06
  came from just a bad situation. And so you know because at the
• 46:11
  time you know a lot of the key people from from from from New
• 46:14
  Orleans area, Peter went to Dallas to Houston and Rock
• 46:17
  things like that. So I had a lot of kids from that
• 46:20
  area, you know, from the area there.
• 46:22
  And so it helped develop me to become some of the coaches,
• 46:26
  helped me develop some characteristics that didn't make
• 46:29
  me want to focus on just running fast.
• 46:31
  Hey, young men, are you all right?
• 46:33
  Young lady. Do you need anything?
• 46:35
  And so that's kind of how I ended up going.
• 46:39
  I ended up staying that way. You know, I've never, you know,
• 46:42
  I just was never too caught up into how fast you could run and
• 46:46
  so When I ended up with Talent, it will just like, just a
• 46:49
  byproduct. We want something.
• 46:51
  Like I had to just totally focus on all my fast kids, so, it's
• 46:56
  some kind of glad, I mean, no coaching probably won't start
• 46:59
  out their way. But I'm glad I went through it
• 47:01
  because it actually helped me out That's interesting what you
• 47:05
  said you don't recruit or you don't recruit much or most of
• 47:08
  your kids coming from Arkansas. Or I would assume at the worst.
• 47:12
  It's coming from the regional area, you know.
• 47:15
  Well so so now this is kind of where I think Social Media stuff
• 47:19
  will get into or or just people looking online.
• 47:23
  I think I have one kid, you know, it's Arkansas, Baptist
• 47:25
  study just went down the list and they seeing the age, you
• 47:29
  know, you know. And so that's how I ended up,
• 47:30
  you know. Whatever.
• 47:34
  So I do recruit, I ended up having, I started out with just
• 47:38
  me and at first. And so I just ended up getting
• 47:42
  kids who couldn't get in school and they were just looking for
• 47:45
  somewhere. And so what I did is just make
• 47:48
  the best out of those kids and Dad success.
• 47:51
  I think my second year coaching Junior College.
• 47:54
  We got second in the 4 by 1. So, so my first year in college,
• 47:59
  we didn't even go to Nationals my second year.
• 48:02
  I took a chance. Then we got like, second in the
• 48:04
  for ball. One fourth in the or fourth, or
• 48:07
  fifth in the 4x4. I never been never been to a
• 48:11
  junior college, national debt, and so was in Hutchinson Kansas
• 48:15
  at the time. Yeah, bitch.
• 48:17
  Blew back up on me. And so more kids, more kids
• 48:21
  can't let what I mean? I had no idea about recruit.
• 48:23
  I never decided to be a coach. All right.
• 48:26
  So true. Right, right?
• 48:27
  Right. And then been an HBCU College,
• 48:30
  we didn't have a budget to go with group.
• 48:33
  Maybe I could go talk to the local kid at the local track
• 48:35
  meet, but I ended up just taking what I had.
• 48:39
  I literally took. Yeah, it was like four kids from
• 48:43
  maybe three or four kids from Mark's that one kid from
• 48:45
  somewhere else and I just made them deck, made the we train to.
• 48:51
  We got good enough to get second at junior college national and
• 48:55
  so from there, I just started believe in you know, like, you
• 48:58
  know that I took another chain like two years later took a
• 49:01
  group of fresh snow, The Freshman a year.
• 49:03
  Then I, you know, the next year, I took over the next year, we
• 49:05
  went back. I think we got like feel and
• 49:08
  then the next year I had another team that would really good and
• 49:11
  God freshman. And so, I kind of got this thing
• 49:13
  in my mind. Like to let me get High School
• 49:15
  freshman and, and those people that did nobody warn give me the
• 49:19
  11 second guy, you know, give me the, give me the guy.
• 49:21
  That ran 50 point, and let me, let me train them, you know, and
• 49:25
  give him everything I have. And that's what development came
• 49:28
  in and stuff like that. And it was really fun because
• 49:31
  you get, if you just believe you could Anything.
• 49:34
  You know it. So I just believe didn't we just
• 49:37
  went and did it Cedric? You're a weird guy.
• 49:41
  Now let me explain that so you don't get mad at everybody
• 49:43
  listening right now is like, oh my God.
• 49:46
  Here's what I mean. You know, I talked to, you know,
• 49:48
  I've coached for 10 years and then I've been here.
• 49:50
  Gil nailed going on my 15th year.
• 49:52
  So yeah, this is all I do. I talk to coaches around the
• 49:55
  country mainly college, but you know, high school and Etc, you
• 50:00
  know, most coach most coaches there, Ego.
• 50:03
  And by the way, guilty as charged I'm this guy a lot of
• 50:08
  coaches. The ego is well, I want to get
• 50:10
  to the University of Florida, the University of Arkansas
• 50:14
  because I want to work with 10 flat.
• 50:16
  Kids. 10 one I want to recruit the tend to kid out of high
• 50:19
  school you know messing around with those 11 flats and things
• 50:24
  like that. You're describing the almost
• 50:29
  exact opposite. You seem to be challenged by oh
• 50:31
  no, I want that. And second kit so I can work
• 50:35
  with them and see if they can become a 9:50 flat kid.
• 50:39
  Yeah, yeah. So you know a lot about Trey a
• 50:45
  lot of times you just kind of my observation, a lot of time like
• 50:49
  Tyson Gay was 10-5 out of high school.
• 50:51
  He wouldn't hurt anyone. It was kid that ran faster than
• 50:54
  my high school. So a lot of times when you got a
• 50:57
  kid that ran fast dead early, they end up kind of doing, you
• 51:01
  know, this type of deal. Where is the kid?
• 51:04
  That didn't know anything. They just did not know.
• 51:06
  That monster did not know how to do this.
• 51:08
  They do know how to run. Run, they're not a breed they
• 51:10
  did not to put their feet in the ground.
• 51:12
  If you could teach them that they seem to do this, you know
• 51:16
  how you didn't live. You know, we'll let me teach you
• 51:18
  how to live your looking like a football player.
• 51:20
  Let's lift explosively not heavy, you know, all the
• 51:24
  different things. So I think you know at least for
• 51:26
  me and what works for me is I can take 11 second kid that has
• 51:30
  potential. Oh man you know I said is if you
• 51:34
  run ugly if I fixed it. Now, what happens, you know, owe
• 51:38
  you Just breathing issue if I fixed it now.
• 51:41
  Where are you? And so it wasn't so much to me
• 51:44
  looking for the 11 second kid as opposed to.
• 51:46
  Hey, do you love running track? I love running tracks.
• 51:49
  So let me help you and let's let's both do this.
• 51:53
  So you know more or less. You know you love doing this as
• 51:57
  long as you. Okay with me killing you and
• 52:01
  bring you back to life whatever you know, you know, let's do it.
• 52:08
  But you quit and where you going to be upset and mad at me and
• 52:16
  that's okay. You should have a coach that
• 52:18
  challenge you like it. You should have a coasters
• 52:21
  always on your butt about school, things like that.
• 52:24
  So my conversation was more or less.
• 52:26
  Not what I could do for you. But it was like, hey, let me
• 52:29
  tell you about life and let me tell you what this life is going
• 52:32
  to look. Like if you want to pursue this
• 52:34
  dream and they were there where I will get that commitment or
• 52:37
  they would get their commitment to The cell phone like you don't
• 52:39
  even need to run fast for me, this is for you.
• 52:42
  But I just want to tell you the challenges that it's going to
• 52:44
  take to get there. And so it just ended up being,
• 52:48
  you know, I think I had a kid that, you know, never ran 21,
• 52:52
  you know, about 22 something and I coach Eric Jenkins.
• 52:56
  He was at Western Kentucky at the time and I guess for the now
• 53:03
  2090, his his freshman year and you got to think we 22, cycle
• 53:09
  Kid, the last meet we had, I think, was at Mississippi State
• 53:13
  Mississippi, not Mississippi State.
• 53:15
  I'm sorry, mr. Stay with wholesome that time.
• 53:17
  Oh, miss was hosting me or whatever.
• 53:19
  There was hosting me and his last regular season meeting when
• 53:22
  24.93 whatever. Now, I mean, we were both
• 53:26
  ecstatic. We run around the track were
• 53:27
  happy and everything like that. Well, that type of success and
• 53:31
  confidence, what is what built me and say.
• 53:34
  Hey, we can do more, we can do more and so having the kids to
• 53:37
  never run, And any arrests are have to get down to 21 and then
• 53:42
  dropped 20 points. What's going to point?
• 53:44
  Ninety is nothing these days. I mean just not but it was big
• 53:47
  for us it was big for him and and so it was just such a great
• 53:52
  deal for me. And so I know that, you know, if
• 53:55
  you put your mind to our food you can get there.
• 53:58
  So and I'm not saying I'm a great coach but I still had, you
• 54:01
  know, think of it. You know, tranquillus of code,
• 54:03
  green corn, into a Brahmin porn in me.
• 54:06
  So you got all those stuff then all of the limp.
• 54:08
  Has everything like that. So I think I kind of maybe, you
• 54:11
  know, a lot of their greatness blade into me and it just
• 54:15
  allowed me to be character building with the kids and then,
• 54:18
  you know, to run. It took care of yourself.
• 54:20
  It sounds like, you know, the coaches are very the wide thing
• 54:26
  to Define, right? You know, the X's and O's as it
• 54:29
  relates to track, that's more trainer esque, right?
• 54:33
  Is, you know, the Reps to fly 30s the, you know, the building
• 54:36
  out the prescription for the workout.
• 54:39
  Coach involves all these other things and whether you're a
• 54:43
  professional level College High School, you know, this stuff
• 54:48
  does not own your payroll check. Yeah, right.
• 54:51
  Yeah, that's good way of putting it?
• 54:54
  Yeah, cuz I hear you talking about.
• 54:56
  When you go looking for kid, you're not looking.
• 54:59
  You're number one, characteristic is not 0.
• 55:02
  Is he or she talents at its do they have passion, when, when
• 55:06
  things get bad, do they have perseverance?
• 55:08
  It's maybe humility. We haven't said that word, but
• 55:12
  the description you're giving is like, oh, okay.
• 55:14
  Well, I'm not doing so good today, but I better suck it up
• 55:17
  and get after it and coaches yelling at me.
• 55:19
  I can either say, woe is me, coaches, mad?
• 55:22
  Or I can say, all right, he's doing it because he loves me and
• 55:25
  wants me to get better. That's good coach.
• 55:29
  And I you know, I never thought about the word humility, but I
• 55:34
  think that, you know, Nana's you say it and literally, that's
• 55:38
  what I've been coaching with maybe 12 years.
• 55:40
  I never thought that think of it that way, but you got to think,
• 55:43
  you know, your coach and we're actually going man, a young lady
• 55:46
  to do something to push their body.
• 55:49
  You know, 90% every day. You got to have some humility to
• 55:54
  let someone wish you to that point you know, on a date.
• 55:57
  Basis you know you not in season so you probably are actually six
• 56:01
  days a week. What are doing something?
• 56:03
  Some type of training plus recovery six days a week.
• 56:07
  Well that's someone pushing you better have some type of ability
• 56:10
  to do it and so I mean it's interesting that you said that I
• 56:13
  never heard it that way. But yeah, I guess though, I
• 56:16
  guess you do need her music. Well it came to me because first
• 56:19
  of all, I think humility and humbleness is, you know,
• 56:22
  critical characteristic for us as adults in life for, in our In
• 56:27
  our personal life, Etc. But honestly, I really was
• 56:30
  thinking about it with you as you're telling your story of
• 56:32
  going to Arkansas and walking on that that in itself is a humble,
• 56:36
  you know, having humility Act Right.
• 56:39
  Your ego could have said I'm going to go to I won't name
• 56:44
  School whatever you. I'm going to go to someplace
• 56:46
  where I'm going to be one of the best right off the bat and we've
• 56:49
  all you know, there's coaches listening right now they have
• 56:51
  recruited kids that said, wait a minute, I'm going to be your
• 56:53
  your fifth best quarter mile. ER I don't want to There because
• 56:57
  they don't have the humility to say.
• 56:59
  Okay. Well, if we work together coach,
• 57:01
  I'll become your best quarter mile, ER, right?
• 57:04
  And there's other places that there's other kids, and these
• 57:06
  are kind of the typically. These are the stories you would
• 57:09
  hear of the kids that make it big.
• 57:11
  They were like, yeah, I'm pretty good.
• 57:12
  I got talent. But, you know what?
• 57:14
  I wanted to go to a place, Baylor University is a great
• 57:17
  example of quarter mile or you, right?
• 57:19
  They got so many quarters, they had quarter milers.
• 57:21
  That would have been full rides at 99% of other schools and they
• 57:25
  took nothing because they're like, oh yeah, but I want to
• 57:27
  make that 33 flat team, like, and no way I'm gonna make it as
• 57:30
  if I'm their training with other 44s and Michael Johnson and
• 57:35
  Jeremy Warner, and Michael forming.
• 57:37
  Yeah, that could be a list right there, just quarter milers from
• 57:40
  from Baylor. But so yeah, just that humility
• 57:42
  and humbleness like okay, you know what, I, what is the
• 57:46
  statement? Act like number one, but train
• 57:50
  like number two. Is that something like that?
• 57:52
  That's kind of the thought. Like okay, yeah, I want to be
• 57:54
  number one. Well, then I better.
• 57:56
  I better act like I'm Number Two that I'm always chasing somebody
• 57:59
  which you know it's great for track and field.
• 58:02
  Yeah and I think you actually point out something so I call it
• 58:06
  a killer attitude and I was explaining my parents live.
• 58:10
  What I'm calling a kid a killer is not you know in that in that
• 58:13
  aspect is it I need you to so so you know I'm Archive Beth but we
• 58:20
  were running against the University of Arkansas and all
• 58:22
  of, you know, change that are Baptists and so you can't be
• 58:26
  scared. You cannot, you know, you just
• 58:28
  can't, we got the train, you got to go hard and we don't have the
• 58:31
  recovery room. We don't have the ice.
• 58:33
  You know room, we don't have trainers, you know, I've never
• 58:36
  had a trainer a day in my life with, you know, in our club
• 58:38
  after whatever, like we're having to do everything.
• 58:41
  So we got to work twice as hard. So you still gotta have a I'm
• 58:46
  supposed to be here, attitude. Humble, but I can do it.
• 58:51
  So what deserve it? The kind of develop that much.
• 58:55
  And I think I probably talk a lot more about the mindset and
• 58:58
  character and everything else that I do actually running the
• 59:00
  stuff. But once I get that, I can do
• 59:02
  attitude once when we literally train at 1 p.m. in the daytime,
• 59:06
  for 1 p.m. the like, you know, 3:30 4:00 who trained in the
• 59:10
  hottest part of the day and Little Rock Arkansas for.
• 59:13
  But if I can feel it in here to you, you know, you know if you
• 59:16
  get back it back and push you in.
• 59:18
  And grinded into you, when we get to The Big Meet Your Home,
• 59:23
  you know, it's just they always say they're going to breathe the
• 59:26
  same air you breathe. They're going to bleed the same
• 59:28
  way you bleed. You want to get tired of going
• 59:30
  to get tired to stay awake, and their line is the same distance
• 59:34
  as the other line, you know, whatever, you know.
• 59:37
  So what do you mean Lange, one? You can beat somebody.
• 59:39
  Like, I had a kid beat, you know, a kid.
• 59:41
  I don't like, you know, beat some of the big schools out of
• 59:43
  like, what I've been in late night or line 8, you know.
• 59:46
  It doesn't matter. You just got to run your race
• 59:50
  and you got to train everyday, like we're trying to beat them,
• 59:52
  you know, you know. And so this kind of attitude
• 59:54
  that I have with them. It's not, you know, this little
• 59:58
  small school so I should probably be like, in the slow
• 1:00:01
  heat, no put that key. I used to, you know what, you
• 1:00:03
  know that I get on Direct Athletics and put my name on and
• 1:00:07
  putting his name up there and then I run it, you know?
• 1:00:11
  And so, I don't be a bit but I'm like, we running with them, you
• 1:00:16
  know, we get busted, we get busted.
• 1:00:17
  But if not, you know, Yo, we showed up who we are, so I get
• 1:00:21
  it now. You know who it is?
• 1:00:22
  I want the fast even today. I called coaches blade.
• 1:00:26
  Listen, I'm coming to your me, I win the last Heat The Bad Seed
• 1:00:31
  or you know, what are we in? You know, they don't like nah,
• 1:00:34
  I'm good, I'm good. Great.
• 1:00:57
  They had to host a great meat, but Rose College in the colleges
• 1:01:01
  that their hosts are not listening, Sprint Heaven.
• 1:01:04
  Okay. But it's a great, great meat.
• 1:01:06
  I want to make sure to make that clear, well, we went there and
• 1:01:10
  dominate what that built the confidence up and at the time we
• 1:01:14
  would always I kind of have this sense scared so it didn't really
• 1:01:17
  change. We will go Oh, miss the next
• 1:01:20
  year, the next meet. And so, by us going there doing
• 1:01:23
  everything we did their winning Offspring spaces in there for
• 1:01:26
  about 120. 120 forward. 100 200 million for about, for the next
• 1:01:30
  step was to go to Ole Miss and run.
• 1:01:32
  Their will who would get maybe two or three SEC schools, but a
• 1:01:35
  bunch of kind of all kinds of schools around the same level
• 1:01:39
  and then we will get there and compete.
• 1:01:41
  That's all we needed to do is compete or whatever to help us
• 1:01:44
  out there. We may go to a little smaller me
• 1:01:46
  or whatever then we'll go back to the bigamy.
• 1:01:48
  Together. So so I say that I want to make
• 1:01:52
  it look like we just kind of ran the table, that's not the case.
• 1:01:55
  I was okay with losing when I was actually getting better.
• 1:01:59
  I caught it really winning, you know, we can lose and run
• 1:02:02
  faster. Rightly we asked one, you ran
• 1:02:07
  fast, we PR that type of Deal or you actually did the rate plan.
• 1:02:11
  Like, I told you to, you know, you I said, hey, you know, let's
• 1:02:14
  run the 400 but I need you to make sure you come out the first
• 1:02:17
  15. Let's go.
• 1:02:18
  Scooter has come to our first dose of 20, 19.
• 1:02:21
  You know, you actually ran 20 19 through the deuce.
• 1:02:24
  Good job. We did it.
• 1:02:25
  Well, I kind of still die my last 50.
• 1:02:27
  Well now we know what we need to work on, right?
• 1:02:30
  Executed the race, the way I need you to run and so now we
• 1:02:33
  know hey, we're going to do some heels, you know, we're going to
• 1:02:36
  do some 350 heels and so that last 50, you know, you know, you
• 1:02:40
  know, you run flat but the last 50 run up a hill.
• 1:02:42
  I'm going to work on just your finish and I called my finishing
• 1:02:45
  Grace drill, you know, stuff like that, I would counter, you
• 1:02:48
  know, Yeah, you do. I execute, you know what the
• 1:02:52
  Kotex you to do have you have you always been such a planner.
• 1:02:57
  I don't know if you recognize that in yourself, but you're
• 1:02:59
  just you seem to always have a plan.
• 1:03:02
  At least, least always seemed to have a plan that you're
• 1:03:04
  executing towards. Well, after this, a big goal
• 1:03:08
  mind. And I guess I would say, I don't
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  know that I playing it because I could get up today, you know,
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  and plan on let's say, you know, using those speeds princely And
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  so, I will say to them going to use them and you know, I don't
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  know, maybe they may be struggling.
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  I'm like, well, we're going to use the sleds on the hill now
• 1:03:29
  you still. So so I think I'm a kind of have
• 1:03:32
  a general idea what I want to do, but I don't know that I'm a
• 1:03:35
  planner because I always see, well, this is the goal, this
• 1:03:40
  didn't work out today, so let's do this.
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  And so, you know, you know, I mean, kind of speak up like
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  those layers and so I'll do different things.
• 1:03:48
  Things work well. Well, I'm a plan on doing 30
• 1:03:52
  meter starts with him, you know, with slaves.
• 1:03:55
  But I hamstrings is dying cool. We still going to use the
• 1:03:58
  slaves, but we're going to put a 45 on and check all the way up
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  with 40 files on their hook, them up.
• 1:04:03
  We're going to do backwards backwards wrong.
• 1:04:05
  So we can kind of loosen up those hamstrings.
• 1:04:07
  So I so I guess playing it. I know coaches who like today
• 1:04:12
  it's on paper. You stick to it me.
• 1:04:14
  I'm more like how do y'all feel today?
• 1:04:17
  We heard. There's planning and then
• 1:04:20
  there's rigid planning and I agree.
• 1:04:24
  I do sometimes he coaches who think that you know they wrote
• 1:04:27
  down the workout. They think it was you know it's
• 1:04:29
  the Ten Commandments like this ain't written in stone man and
• 1:04:33
  then there's planning having a, you know, a vision of where you
• 1:04:36
  want to go, whether it's that day at practice or my career or
• 1:04:39
  my schedule of meat that I'm going to and realizing that,
• 1:04:44
  okay? I still have to be flexible
• 1:04:45
  because you know the world is still the world.
• 1:04:47
  It could rain one day. Hamstring for tree?
• 1:04:50
  Yeah, yeah, exactly, absolutely. So, talk to me outside of
• 1:04:55
  Arkansas, Baptist, you've done or are doing some, like a, you
• 1:05:00
  and usatf Club coaching as well. Okay, so, so I got in the
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  coaching. I got to kind of take you back a
• 1:05:07
  little bit me too. So I got into coaching because I
• 1:05:11
  was a triangular, okay, and I love working with kids.
• 1:05:15
  So I worked at a place called. Do you want Sports train?
• 1:05:18
  Hmm, around 2008, 2009 without would work, the kids and things
• 1:05:23
  like that. And then later on 2009 course,
• 1:05:25
  fish here hired me to be the head coach Dark Side, Baptist
• 1:05:28
  College, but I just love teaching speed is for I ended up
• 1:05:32
  working, like a youth group, like, think of maybe 5 to 12 or
• 1:05:35
  7 to 12, or something like that. So, you got to think those kids
• 1:05:39
  are not developed at all, right? Or whatever.
• 1:05:41
  So, I literally cut my teeth on non-athletes, like a party kids.
• 1:05:47
  What? But it was a step above the
• 1:05:50
  yeah. Basically, I did it literally
• 1:05:53
  took stuff that I have from the University of Arkansas and I
• 1:05:56
  taught myself how to break it down to teach those kids stuff.
• 1:06:00
  So, I want to say t: make sure you that were so I learn how to
• 1:06:03
  teach them, how to do this, a skilled, all of different
• 1:06:09
  things. And so, then our trainer at D1
• 1:06:13
  Sports training, I ran into all the different athletes.
• 1:06:15
  I even had a couple special needs kids Couple kids, I, you
• 1:06:19
  know, I would get young ladies. Like, you know, my girls would
• 1:06:22
  have bunch of HCL and cl, you know injuries.
• 1:06:25
  And I was just trying to named Josh Jocelyn's, what you kind of
• 1:06:28
  talked me coming. Hey girls have this issue and
• 1:06:31
  this issue it bands and so it made me think well, how can I
• 1:06:35
  strengthened if I cannot do so? So my outside life began to as a
• 1:06:39
  trainer like well how can I do injury prevention.
• 1:06:42
  And so a lot of drills you see now is really people like oh
• 1:06:45
  that's the speed drill. Well it's really Ah, from injury
• 1:06:49
  prevention. I had a bunch of young ladies
• 1:06:51
  that would have in CL and HL issue.
• 1:06:53
  I had a bunch of guys that would have a hamstring issue.
• 1:06:56
  And so I have to come up with different drills and things like
• 1:06:59
  that. So my coaching from my training
• 1:07:02
  from D1 developed me into a, just a, or help me become a
• 1:07:07
  developmental trainer and development coach.
• 1:07:10
  And so, from that whatever, I grew, of course, I naturally
• 1:07:14
  grew a track group in, so I ended up with a lot of kids.
• 1:07:18
  I mean just just no knowledge whatsoever you know which how we
• 1:07:21
  grew up probably you know not knowing how to do a skip not
• 1:07:24
  right right and it and I ended up going a track group or track
• 1:07:28
  following that D1. Well well it got big.
• 1:07:32
  I mean it just I don't know how to say it but it got you know
• 1:07:35
  ended up with maybe like five kids.
• 1:07:37
  So you know one day I think I had like 25 kids and known as
• 1:07:41
  60-yard field and I'm taking up the entire field.
• 1:07:44
  You know 60-yard field we run parachutes down, I'm doing
• 1:07:47
  everything I can Aunt where I have literally exhausted, you
• 1:07:51
  know, all of my running, you know drill and it made me be
• 1:07:54
  creative but it's just no more room in there or whatever.
• 1:07:57
  So I would move that group out and eventually you know new
• 1:08:00
  ones, great place. I'm glad that the Army got me on
• 1:08:02
  my feet, different things like there, but I ended up starting
• 1:08:06
  my own training, CCV training in 2005.
• 1:08:09
  So I was already kind of doing a little bit of training outside
• 1:08:12
  of D1. Probably from about twenty
• 1:08:15
  twelve. I'm get to know time blank.
• 1:08:17
  My kid needs help. And they couldn't afford to go
• 1:08:20
  to D1, D1 of training, at the time, how to, you know, how to
• 1:08:23
  price range in. So if you couldn't afford to get
• 1:08:26
  in there, do this kid is really good.
• 1:08:29
  I just don't want to, you know, you caught in between.
• 1:08:32
  So I ended up kind of like let me just meet you on the Sunday
• 1:08:34
  after church or something like that.
• 1:08:36
  And so they got big to and so between those two I ended up
• 1:08:41
  leaving D1, it was kind of like a fake thing.
• 1:08:43
  I mean, it was It was kind of scared you leaving the job or
• 1:08:46
  whatever doing this leaving. Leti.
• 1:08:50
  Yeah, so at the time I would have Arkansas Baptist.
• 1:08:54
  I would literally go to school. Go to campus in the morning.
• 1:08:58
  Kind of do coaching stuff, or whatever, go to practice.
• 1:09:01
  And then, or, you know, maybe I may even go to D1, if I had a
• 1:09:04
  class in the morning, but then I will stop, do coaching stuff.
• 1:09:08
  Do work out for with my with my Arkansas, Baptist kids from like
• 1:09:12
  lunch all the way to like 3:30. And then I will have to like
• 1:09:16
  literally run across town, get to be.
• 1:09:18
  Wanted in our coach, a D1 from like, for to 8:30, 9:00,
• 1:09:23
  whatever the case was and those my everyday lifestyle, or
• 1:09:25
  whatever, that did kind of take a toll on my family, my wife and
• 1:09:30
  things like this. So at some point in time I had
• 1:09:32
  to, you know, you know, it's kind would be so driven that you
• 1:09:36
  kind of forget the personal life and in the journey.
• 1:09:41
  And I hate cut it off the home, you know, you you this kid, you
• 1:09:46
  know, you know, they're going to be fine.
• 1:09:48
  Fine. But is your wife going to be
• 1:09:50
  there when you get there? So I did I had to kind of, get
• 1:09:52
  through that Journey where I'm like, okay, you know what, let's
• 1:09:55
  be wise and of course I had good counselor.
• 1:09:57
  I have people like old green and stuff like that.
• 1:10:00
  So, doing all the trying time, for whatever it was like, hey,
• 1:10:03
  you need to do these young man, you need to do this.
• 1:10:04
  So I had to have some type of accountability in my life.
• 1:10:07
  I got a assistant coach, Barry Brown.
• 1:10:10
  You've been with me since I think 2011 and then another coke
• 1:10:14
  coke booze. Dirty was convincing is called,
• 1:10:16
  so you probably met him through the gate.
• 1:10:18
  Unranked. But but those are older men that
• 1:10:22
  are married and they kind of spoke a little bit into my life
• 1:10:24
  and they helped me out, which helped me kind of divided and
• 1:10:28
  cut it off because, you know, like me and you, we could
• 1:10:31
  probably go home and watch more track stuff whatever.
• 1:10:35
  So, so, so, it was so him bread in it into me, but I kind of,
• 1:10:39
  you know, I'm talking, like I got it, you know, all worked
• 1:10:42
  out, but doing the time and that was what I was waiting for you.
• 1:10:45
  To give us the secrets, man. Come on.
• 1:10:47
  You got it all. I worked out to where I could
• 1:10:51
  divide it up and things like that at one point in time would
• 1:10:59
  be, you know, Arkansas Baptist. Do you want Sports training
• 1:11:03
  there, maybe a little bit of training on the side around to
• 1:11:07
  2015, it was kind of like and I got a, you know, you know, I got
• 1:11:10
  to do something different and so God kind of led me.
• 1:11:13
  Hey starts a business. I have a couple people in there
• 1:11:16
  which I just found my train. It was really The last mode of
• 1:11:19
  transition than what I thought it would be as far as financing
• 1:11:22
  things. Like I had a couple of pants
• 1:11:24
  that's why I say characters everything.
• 1:11:26
  I had a couple of paints that was like look we're not even
• 1:11:29
  going to make training but here's $500, let me get you
• 1:11:32
  started for the next month. You know.
• 1:11:34
  I had people like whirring. Wow.
• 1:11:36
  Yes, I had. I got a, I got a one young man.
• 1:11:41
  Who is a young, man, but he's no older gentleman him and his
• 1:11:44
  family. They sponsor it was.
• 1:11:45
  I'll tell you about in a little bit.
• 1:11:46
  Literally sponsored me. And the program and the school.
• 1:11:50
  So very sure I'm not missing, great, people, black white,
• 1:11:54
  whoever some great people. But then once I got started, it
• 1:11:59
  just began to grow. You know, I've had some great
• 1:12:02
  friends of the, hey, you got to do this because when I first
• 1:12:04
  started, I was like, you know, I don't care if you can't pay, um,
• 1:12:10
  you know, just come on cuz I don't want you to get.
• 1:12:12
  You got to think I came from a straight life and so I didn't
• 1:12:14
  want to get my young people caught up into there.
• 1:12:17
  And so what I would do is I would try to save everybody but
• 1:12:20
  I have some kind of people like, hey, you got to have a cut-off
• 1:12:22
  and and I found developed a balance it ad and it's like,
• 1:12:25
  hey, you got a charge this price in order for you to make money,
• 1:12:28
  because when she make money, you could save people which I had to
• 1:12:32
  get that concept or whatever. So that's, I'm finally like,
• 1:12:35
  okay well, you know once I actually got my price has said
• 1:12:38
  and things like that which is, you know, kind of get into the
• 1:12:40
  business side of it. But it actually helped me out,
• 1:12:43
  you know, my family out of things like that almost grass
• 1:12:46
  and it actually became a blessing listen because you got
• 1:12:49
  to think my working for a company like D1.
• 1:12:52
  Well, I'm making the company out of money and I love D1.
• 1:12:55
  And I mean, it's be great to help me out.
• 1:12:57
  But, you know, just like a hundred thousand dollar
• 1:12:59
  difference, you know, you know, by stepping out on your own and
• 1:13:03
  doing it, not have no red calls from all over.
• 1:13:05
  As I say, yeah. You talk about the overhead.
• 1:13:07
  They had that they have a building and Brandon you're
• 1:13:09
  right. Yeah.
• 1:13:10
  You're thinking right though, I didn't have to do.
• 1:13:17
  I'm not Again I think I was just good at what I did really good
• 1:13:21
  at what I did and I cared enough about what I did everybody
• 1:13:25
  really, you know, you know, you know, I know my mic is the guy
• 1:13:29
  you need to go to. It was kind of one of those
• 1:13:30
  things. So I had a lot of people sending
• 1:13:33
  me people, right? Whatever.
• 1:13:35
  Even when I was, when I left, he won people from Duomo, still
• 1:13:38
  sending me people whatever. So that kind of grew up with was
• 1:13:41
  the blessing. So I was able to kind of
• 1:13:44
  simulate, you got to think I started doing this in 2008-2009.
• 1:13:48
  I was able to kind of settle my stuff down around 2, 2013.
• 1:13:51
  I really am a lot of steps and I saw bathroom but I still dealing
• 1:13:55
  with all the challenges and stresses of job and then all the
• 1:13:58
  kids and things like that. So by 2015, I started CC be
• 1:14:01
  training, you know? Like I say knows that clientele
• 1:14:06
  mainly was trapped but I had, you know, I had a I had a, you
• 1:14:09
  know, a young lady with a ACL and she literally came in and
• 1:14:14
  they see got released or whatever you know I got it back
• 1:14:18
  on. You know, and she's real sweet
• 1:14:19
  girl. Appearances, awesome.
• 1:14:21
  I love the fact that they gave me an opportunity to work with
• 1:14:23
  her. You know, we started out doing
• 1:14:25
  some small stuff, I got to jump it over box like you literally
• 1:14:29
  got this girl going there. So people kind of heard about
• 1:14:33
  that. And so you know, and I just
• 1:14:34
  believed in the young let her listen you don't you're not an
• 1:14:37
  ACL tear your not that you know you're better than that, we can
• 1:14:40
  recover right? You know, I think I could think
• 1:14:42
  about stores, you know like all kind of athlete that overcame.
• 1:14:46
  And so what ended up happening is course.
• 1:14:48
  She brought more softball. So, my, you know, I think I had
• 1:14:50
  at one point in time. I had one saw Parker that we
• 1:14:53
  ended up going like the University of Tulsa, something
• 1:14:55
  from there. I ended up with, like 12 or 13,
• 1:14:58
  softball girl. And then, I had a coat came in,
• 1:15:01
  and he kind of watched me one time and he brought his
• 1:15:04
  basketball girls. And so, I ended up, you know,
• 1:15:06
  you know. And so that kind of expand, of
• 1:15:09
  course, I would always have football player because
• 1:15:12
  everybody wants to fix their 40-yard dash, but I don't like
• 1:15:18
  More today and until like, you know, just a lot on the sofa
• 1:15:34
  progressed from 2015 and things are going pretty good to 2017.
• 1:15:39
  And I've grown, you know, I've got an established at this time
• 1:15:43
  in between that I would buy any house.
• 1:15:46
  So, I'm leaving D1, I'm buying a house.
• 1:15:48
  House. Well, I was coaching and this
• 1:15:52
  one man, you know? If and I won't name you probably
• 1:15:54
  don't want anybody to notice whatever.
• 1:15:57
  But he was hey do you need anything?
• 1:15:59
  But you know humbled and didn't want to say anything now you
• 1:16:02
  know, and I mentioned I mentioned to him that I was
• 1:16:06
  trying to do some things that are so bad for you and let's
• 1:16:09
  see. I know he gave me a card to say
• 1:16:11
  it's 85 thousand dollars on here and so, I mean this this is how
• 1:16:15
  hey I'm sorry Cedric obviously The Bluetooth speakers and
• 1:16:19
  stuff, it must have disconnected because it sounded like you said
• 1:16:24
  85,000 he's been he's been he gave me a and I had no idea what
• 1:16:31
  to do. It was the first time I seen a
• 1:16:33
  black car and it's called an American Express, he was kind of
• 1:16:36
  a mix, you know, I had no idea what they make scar mail away.
• 1:16:39
  So he sponsored that team of whatever and so that all the
• 1:16:44
  equipment every listen. So this this my mind says Let me
• 1:16:48
  just get your understanding Mikey with me.
• 1:16:52
  Yeah I can hear you keep going. Okay.
• 1:16:54
  Okay, so I didn't know that he would help me out again.
• 1:17:00
  I bought a quid meant to last like the next six years.
• 1:17:05
  Whatever. So I ended up spending.
• 1:17:07
  You got to think I'm a small team.
• 1:17:09
  I have maybe 20 25, but I bought equipment, I got smart with it,
• 1:17:13
  you know, I at the time I met a god, a rep from Mikey, but I met
• 1:17:19
  a couple other people and so I was like, hey, what can I get?
• 1:17:24
  I mean, I want to be able to get, you know, 300 t-shirts,
• 1:17:28
  this minute since I do. I mean, I got really smart but I
• 1:17:31
  really can't believe it man. And he did that.
• 1:17:34
  He turns around, he found out. I was buying a house, he put
• 1:17:37
  the, put the pavement down for the house.
• 1:17:39
  So I mean, and that was well over, you know, eight thousand
• 1:17:42
  dollars or whatever, you know. So I was blessed with people
• 1:17:47
  that They came in and you know, and I'm telling you this on the
• 1:17:51
  back half of it, there were more, you know.
• 1:17:54
  I was like man what I what I got to do to earn this, you know,
• 1:17:58
  but he just seeing what I was doing now.
• 1:18:00
  I know this now it's like, you know, like I see what you've
• 1:18:04
  done for my kids, I see what you're doing for the other kids
• 1:18:07
  or whatever. And you know, when you when you,
• 1:18:11
  when you bless, you want to give to people who are who are doing
• 1:18:14
  stuff. And so I'm saying that now, but
• 1:18:15
  I didn't know it at the time. Anyway.
• 1:18:17
  So he Me, he dies and things. I had a couple other parents to
• 1:18:20
  do something significant like that and so it helped me helped
• 1:18:26
  the other. So and I got to a point where I
• 1:18:28
  feel like he'll understand, you know, this doctor told me a long
• 1:18:31
  time ago, said me, you got to take care of this part and then
• 1:18:34
  you can tell you save, everybody was kind of one of those things
• 1:18:36
  where, you know, if you're drowning and they're drowning
• 1:18:39
  and you're trying to say them but you're not saving yourself
• 1:18:42
  how can you know, save anybody else.
• 1:18:44
  So once I figured that out and with I live by that concept now
• 1:18:47
  are you telling my God? Young people like listen I just
• 1:18:49
  need you to take care of this then we can go back and take
• 1:18:52
  care of that and so now that's what helps ECB trying to get off
• 1:18:56
  the ground. It also helped Parks, I baptize.
• 1:18:58
  You got to think we're a small HBCU so we didn't have the
• 1:19:01
  funding and so and then I didn't recruit but we ended up when
• 1:19:05
  you're good and cost money or whatever, would you would, you
• 1:19:08
  probably understand that. And so we got really good but it
• 1:19:11
  costs money to go to Nashville or you know, we, you know, now
• 1:19:15
  we can no longer compete at the local meat.
• 1:19:17
  We got To the universe starts August and hotel.
• 1:19:20
  We got to go down in Louisiana like a clean.
• 1:19:23
  Once you get the kids that good, they deserve more, you know, you
• 1:19:26
  know, you can't just have them running, you know, we're all
• 1:19:30
  running 10 lows and everybody at this meat is running 10th
• 1:19:33
  serving it up, right, right. It's not right by the kids and
• 1:19:36
  so it understood that that was going to be a cost to being good
• 1:19:42
  or whatever. I'm not bragging.
• 1:19:43
  Anything like Timber want some cat good?
• 1:19:45
  I like okay there's the cost there plus now you got I have
• 1:19:48
  better spikes better, this better so on and so you know I
• 1:19:52
  think I may have and no not towards any company but after a
• 1:19:56
  while you realize like just company here, spikes or whatever
• 1:20:01
  fit this group of kids but they don't fit this group of kids.
• 1:20:04
  So I didn't have any Allegiance. I just like needed to write
• 1:20:08
  spikes for the right kids. So we were literally have to go
• 1:20:10
  and get New Balance because these spikes fit a certain way
• 1:20:13
  that I like to go. Maybe do a deed has another
• 1:20:15
  time. So what you, cause you to Life
• 1:20:18
  is like, why can't you just do these Nikes B OD, right?
• 1:20:21
  Well, that's Spike, literally hurts their foot.
• 1:20:24
  I need a different plate and so it's not that, you know, not the
• 1:20:27
  kind of throws, you know, company names out there, but but
• 1:20:30
  but I just need a different equipment.
• 1:20:32
  Once you know, once I got into my ladies are whatever we needed
• 1:20:36
  different equipment. So I would have to get maybe
• 1:20:41
  which, you know, at a big school they just have people come out,
• 1:20:45
  you know, whoever, you know, unarmed, whatever.
• 1:20:47
  But I I got to make sure that these girls have on the right
• 1:20:51
  tank tops. The right, this, the fit.
• 1:20:54
  And so, you know, I would eventually got the pumpkin sigh.
• 1:20:57
  Hey, I need to go get these. I need to go get these and so
• 1:21:00
  people will step up and sponsor me in those areas whatever.
• 1:21:03
  Talking get the proper because it's you know, you can run fast
• 1:21:06
  but not how to proper equipment on it.
• 1:21:07
  I think I've been to meet where people are running and girls are
• 1:21:10
  trying to pull Fools pranks. Just went up like man that's so
• 1:21:14
  disrespectful. That is so you know.
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  So so not right by their kids. And our in our equipment is
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  malfunctioning. Well I mean I guess it's the
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  best way I can kind of see it so I hate it you know I never
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  wanted to have a kid running from me feeling that type of way
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  right? But I was able to reach out and
• 1:21:31
  get some people and they are. I mean into this day you know
• 1:21:35
  people still you know kind of pour into the school and so when
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  I make sure you dissolve them properly write a check don't
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  write a check to me don't let me check the CCTV training.
• 1:21:44
  I just checked Arkansas, Baptist College and then I go and go to
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  the bid. His office and and, and, and get
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  it from damn well, you know, and I'll spend it out their way.
• 1:21:53
  But I've had people not even tax write-off, but he did you know
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  that that, you know because normally, you know, you kind of,
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  you know, I guess no business like, you want to text so that
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  kind of got me into CC, be training which day and I ended
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  up starting a club. And so I had I was originally
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  coaching, that's our programming and I'll let me know you're good
• 1:22:15
  man, I love it. The I was training kids, you
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  know from from 2014 and maybe 2016 and what happened, you
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  know, those kids will be on other teams and I would get into
• 1:22:30
  a polar, we will run into conflict.
• 1:22:33
  You know, you know, this kid would be really fast.
• 1:22:35
  I would do all this work and then the coach like whoa, you
• 1:22:37
  know, I don't have any more positions.
• 1:22:39
  I'm gonna put you in 800 like to we spent all this week working
• 1:22:42
  on the 100 and the 200 and you're trying to minute and I
• 1:22:45
  course you always teach my kids. Just not your place to argue
• 1:22:49
  with the coke. You know, you have a
• 1:22:51
  conversation with your parents or with me and let me speak to
• 1:22:54
  the coach. I never sending it to be
• 1:22:56
  disrespectful or anything like that.
• 1:22:58
  He's, I don't think it's right. I think everybody has their
• 1:23:00
  place now you can actually Force the coach a question, but you
• 1:23:03
  don't go any question to come callenge them, right?
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  Right. And so always, you know, where I
• 1:23:10
  ran into, make me some Egos, and little bit of, and I was by
• 1:23:14
  myself as a supplemental training.
• 1:23:16
  I always thought that I was Subcommittee.
• 1:23:19
  You know so you don't know block starts I'm kind of good at
• 1:23:22
  blocks Farms. Let me work on your kids block
• 1:23:24
  starts and I send them back to you but it became you know at
• 1:23:28
  least locally you know like you're taking my kids or
• 1:23:31
  something like that. And so in 2017 which I hated, I
• 1:23:36
  just threw. Why can't we just work together
• 1:23:37
  and feel. So in 2016 from parents,
• 1:23:43
  approached me about starting a club and so the kids was already
• 1:23:46
  kind of running with Shmi unattached.
• 1:23:50
  I ended up starting to Club. I don't know why I did.
• 1:24:18
  He went 100, we outdoor in the USA.
• 1:24:22
  In Kansas, we went one the 101, 400, and the 200 all in that.
• 1:24:28
  Wow, if they meet then we turned around and went to a, you would,
• 1:24:32
  you know, note that all coaches never run, six Championship
• 1:24:36
  races lesson learned. If they called Bruce and couple
• 1:25:19
  of people helping the good but I like the teats and if I can't
• 1:25:23
  really focus on every ride so it's not on the lead on the
• 1:25:27
  best, just one of those things like I can't give you a kid, the
• 1:25:30
  best of the best training and so even to make my team, you had to
• 1:25:34
  sign of a cc be trying was there two separate entities.
• 1:25:37
  But if I could train you you could probably make my team.
• 1:25:42
  What have I don't want? You know, I know how to have
• 1:25:44
  some people do. They wait till the summer going
• 1:25:47
  to get on the chair? Team and I'm such a potent
• 1:25:50
  trainer. I'm like, I want to fix stuff,
• 1:25:52
  but I can't fix you doing the season.
• 1:25:54
  It's right way. And so, you know, I kind of knew
• 1:25:58
  like, now we need to train. And then if you're good enough
• 1:26:00
  to get on my team and you can find out because I take my
• 1:26:03
  chain, like, I took a 10 year old to a school, but because he
• 1:26:06
  was just a good anymore. And so, I, you know, I've kind
• 1:26:11
  of gotten to that point. So everything, all my college
• 1:26:13
  experience, and all my experience in the universe, Mark
• 1:26:16
  sighs. Now, Is for Dale, like even the
• 1:26:20
  things like I said, with the slaves and things like that.
• 1:26:22
  Like I literally was looking for a slave and this kind of poured
• 1:26:26
  back into the club thing. When you're teaching younger
• 1:26:30
  people, they don't know how to do things.
• 1:26:31
  So the block push the stuff like that.
• 1:26:33
  I had to come up with a drill first within the jump off the
• 1:26:36
  block. So this were, like, I would do.
• 1:26:38
  One of the time you send me put a whole bunch of cushion.
• 1:26:40
  Got a video where I literally got my whole bunch of Christians
• 1:26:44
  off the wall. You know what?
• 1:26:45
  People will run into the wall. Yep.
• 1:26:47
  All off and put them on. The ground.
• 1:26:48
  I said just jump off the block. I'll make people stand on the
• 1:26:51
  Block. Just jump as far as you can.
• 1:26:53
  And so I started that drill and it will literally just the teeth
• 1:26:57
  people. Look, stop using one foot to get
• 1:27:00
  out the block. You don't have one pedal.
• 1:27:02
  You got two pills. So I had some old, you blocks
• 1:27:05
  with you. I mean, you're probably
• 1:27:06
  recognize them something. You your first blog called old.
• 1:27:18
  Eastern to jump out the block with both feet.
• 1:27:22
  And then I'm like, well and now I need to teach them to get that
• 1:27:24
  free up and down, you know, and so, you got to think I was
• 1:27:28
  dealing with kids. And so, I would take some of my
• 1:27:32
  high school, my college drills and bring it down to them.
• 1:27:35
  And that's where I really started looking for that sleigh.
• 1:27:38
  And I thought, you know, 2007, when I think I got it, whatever
• 1:27:42
  your 2007-2008 not look for that sled forever.
• 1:27:46
  Because I was like, am I going to have to be R1 or whatever.
• 1:27:48
  And it worked, perfect, because of the key, the group of kids, I
• 1:27:51
  had didn't know how to get that. One, two, three, or four steps
• 1:27:55
  down, coming out the blocks. Well, I need to put some type of
• 1:27:59
  resistors on its they came out. I think I may have done one
• 1:28:02
  thing and I put a long strap on there because some of my kids
• 1:28:05
  are shorter and Halloween to not, you know.
• 1:28:09
  So if anybody want to go get State, get to stay at his
• 1:28:11
  perfect. I put long straps on there.
• 1:28:14
  Yeah. Whatever.
• 1:28:14
  Just so, so, so it'll, it'll stay smooth as you can.
• 1:28:18
  Down the track. So just hit, it's interesting,
• 1:28:20
  you've had it since 07. So I started working here in 06
• 1:28:25
  2017. 2017. 70. Okay.
• 1:28:27
  Okay, as I say, because I started working, I was six and I
• 1:28:30
  remember shortly after I started working in August.
• 1:28:34
  So maybe by that spring you we have pretty regular Rd meetings.
• 1:28:38
  You know why are our whole culture is about, you know,
• 1:28:43
  creating better Innovative Equipment, so coaches can go
• 1:28:46
  coach, you know? So I remember one day and that
• 1:28:49
  first year are now former VP of R&D brings out the sled and I
• 1:28:55
  was like oh what is this? Well yeah, just let it go.
• 1:28:59
  There were starting blocks. I was like, dude, I coach for 10
• 1:29:02
  years and look for something like that.
• 1:29:04
  Like you know, we used to at one point we were tying string to
• 1:29:08
  the blocks so you have a regular sled as soon as the kid cleared
• 1:29:12
  the blocks, we drip the blocks out of the way.
• 1:29:14
  So the sled wouldn't demolish it.
• 1:29:17
  I mean, I was just Hot, where's this been my whole life?
• 1:29:20
  You know, it's amazing and I tell you, you know, it is been,
• 1:29:26
  it literally on fire every year. You know, it's the Sprint
• 1:29:28
  starts, Leo, goes over the starting block.
• 1:29:30
  Its it really a whoever I was before me, so I wish I could
• 1:29:34
  take credit, but whoever came up with that idea.
• 1:29:38
  It's pretty stinkin amazing. So you brought us some cool
• 1:29:42
  things that I wanted to make sure we talked about here as we
• 1:29:45
  start to wrap up today. So, you know, if you've listened
• 1:29:49
  to the show at all and if you know me at all, I'm a huge
• 1:29:54
  proponent of social media. I just I think it's I love
• 1:29:57
  communication and I think that's what social media is about.
• 1:30:01
  That's how you and I started I created all of the Gila flooding
• 1:30:05
  social media, our Twitter, our Facebook, and our Instagram and
• 1:30:09
  was running it. That was I was completely
• 1:30:12
  control social media about a year or so ago but that's how
• 1:30:15
  you and I touched base somehow. Probably followed you first.
• 1:30:19
  And so, I remember those videos of the jumping onto the old
• 1:30:24
  pole, vault, and high jump mats. And then I remember you were, I
• 1:30:27
  don't know if that was if it wasn't even there some indoor
• 1:30:29
  facility or at you'd have wood behind the box so they could
• 1:30:33
  jump out. And yeah, this is amazing and so
• 1:30:38
  I don't remember who I'll give you the credit.
• 1:30:41
  I don't remember if you reached out to me or I reach.
• 1:30:43
  I really think I reached out to you to say, hey, thanks man.
• 1:30:45
  I appreciate the videos of our Sprint starts It's LED, but what
• 1:30:49
  was amazing to me is you responded.
• 1:30:52
  It always irritates me when people have social media and
• 1:30:54
  they don't, they don't respond. You've got something on your
• 1:30:58
  Instagram, which is tell everybody.
• 1:31:01
  What is your Instagram handle? It is it coatsy bone?
• 1:31:06
  So coach C and then Vaughn, right?
• 1:31:10
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:31:12
  So you've got something like 20,000 followers on.
• 1:31:18
  Instagram. That's I mean, come on, man.
• 1:31:20
  Let's be real here. That's Pretty stinking cool.
• 1:31:23
  I feel like I'm a big social media guy and I don't get 28,000
• 1:31:26
  people, talk to us about, like how you started Instagram.
• 1:31:30
  Why, and how did this growth occur?
• 1:31:33
  Okay, yeah. So now forth, the me of us
• 1:31:38
  reaching out to each other with when I got to slay, his people
• 1:31:43
  were asking about it and I was like, man, the only Way I could
• 1:31:48
  do it is tag. Yes, that's right.
• 1:32:18
  Somebody you can actually talk to it, so I like you but I'm
• 1:32:23
  telling you man, you got to beat this guy, is that I never really
• 1:32:33
  wanted to do social media. It's the first thing.
• 1:32:37
  I think I started with is maybe a Facebook account, I didn't
• 1:32:40
  want that or whatever and a Twitter account and I'll start a
• 1:32:43
  Twitter which is all the same handle, same name.
• 1:32:47
  It's because my kiss was on Twitter and and one of the guys
• 1:32:51
  was like, hey, you need to start Twitter so you can kind of watch
• 1:32:54
  the kids and say all that stuff. So I ended up starting Twitter
• 1:32:57
  and then and I would I would record my kids on camera.
• 1:33:01
  But when I tried to send the video that would be built it,
• 1:33:05
  there was you know you got to think this back 2009-10, you do
• 1:33:09
  no such thing as 4K. And so I would I was trying to
• 1:33:13
  figure out how to get the videos to the kids.
• 1:33:15
  And so in kids at that time, On wasn't really on Facebook at the
• 1:33:22
  time and I just wasn't really familiar with Twitter.
• 1:33:25
  So Instagram came out and I figured out you know?
• 1:33:28
  Okay well hey I can post videos on this G so it all started by
• 1:33:31
  me trying to get the kids, huh? Listen, I need you to watch the
• 1:33:36
  video so you can learn how to do this.
• 1:33:38
  And so, you know, I couldn't send it to the parents, anything
• 1:33:40
  like that. I did you watch your video and
• 1:33:42
  it started out just that way. We're literally trying to get
• 1:33:47
  videos too. Those kids and you couldn't
• 1:33:49
  inbox that the time because you couldn't be in the video, don't
• 1:33:52
  be too big or something. Right now, I finally figured
• 1:33:55
  out, you know, okay, it's got to be because I used to be like 15
• 1:33:58
  seconds stuff like this. I both multiple videos.
• 1:34:01
  So, I had to kind of, I mean, I live, you have to evolve the
• 1:34:03
  way, I would get as much information to them in a small
• 1:34:07
  videos as I could. And so Indian, God literally put
• 1:34:10
  it up, I wouldn't put a name on anything like that, but I would
• 1:34:13
  just tagged them in writing titles on this.
• 1:34:16
  So I can kind of like, go to this.
• 1:34:18
  You're so on. Well, you know, I think one
• 1:34:21
  night I posted a video and we were doing like a, I have some
• 1:34:25
  some bands on them in a belt. I was literally just looking for
• 1:34:28
  anything. I got a bungee cord that was
• 1:34:31
  used with a something else I got.
• 1:34:33
  Bungee cords, hook them up, set, some micro hurtles down or
• 1:34:37
  whatever. I was trying to teach them to
• 1:34:38
  get out with some resistance and they literally, you know, I just
• 1:34:42
  had a couple kids, are you the Block Set?
• 1:34:44
  Boom. And anyway, there was a video on
• 1:34:46
  my Instagram. I woke up and it was like a
• 1:34:49
  thousand notifications on my phone and somehow I don't know
• 1:34:51
  you know I don't know how social me to work with the video got in
• 1:34:54
  the explore page and I had all these people following sorry I
• 1:34:58
  had maybe six seven hundred people maybe 1000 people calling
• 1:35:01
  look like 3,000 then I think you know and then like 6000 5000 and
• 1:35:10
  you know, I kind of had this thing about social media where
• 1:35:13
  where it's for the kids and, you know, maybe four coaches and
• 1:35:17
  stuff like that. But you know, you post notices,
• 1:35:19
  I want to follow, you know what, I'm not going to do any negative
• 1:35:22
  stuff for any. I don't need all the political
• 1:35:24
  stuff, right? It's not the wrong with
• 1:35:27
  whatever, but I just kind of wanted to be about information.
• 1:35:30
  And so I started kind of may be seeking out trainers and other
• 1:35:33
  athletes and things like that cause I just wanted to kind of
• 1:35:35
  wash them. And so it ended up growing, not
• 1:35:39
  won't stay overnight but maybe from 2012 to.
• 1:35:42
  Now I would it would just you know maybe a video will go you
• 1:35:45
  know, some people take the video they were reached.
• 1:35:47
  And reach there. Yeah, so you go I would have but
• 1:35:51
  it all started out because I was trying to let the kids watch the
• 1:35:55
  videos and then the other side of it is, hello.
• 1:35:58
  I'm a coach, there's a lot of coaches out there.
• 1:36:00
  They got social media, they can now watch my kids, you know?
• 1:36:04
  Yeah. It was kind of like, what we're,
• 1:36:15
  you know, what they keep will doing.
• 1:36:17
  Like, look how hard Working. It's not Outsider.
• 1:36:19
  We doing all these different drills is I'm getting a bit of
• 1:36:22
  pushback, all that stupid drill, or that's dead or why you got
• 1:36:25
  the hurtles down, I'll get a little bit of that, but it did.
• 1:36:28
  I will try to explain to some people, you know, I will try to
• 1:36:30
  respond back and say just why we doing it every now and then I
• 1:36:33
  would get some negativity. But the whole point of my social
• 1:36:37
  media was one just to get the videos back to the kids, you
• 1:36:40
  know, maybe get a sometimes you got to think I'm a new trainer
• 1:36:44
  but I'm also a college coach and most people can't see anything
• 1:36:47
  like Parents don't know what's going on and they're not able to
• 1:36:50
  stay at practice. Well, it gave them a window or a
• 1:36:53
  glimpse of what we going on. And so, I, you know, it was just
• 1:36:56
  the best way to do is I'll do the same thing on my Facebook
• 1:36:59
  with me. You are from Facebook, I don't
• 1:37:01
  know. So Facebook is more or less for
• 1:37:04
  the parents because most of my pants is on Facebook, right?
• 1:37:07
  And all the other stuff with mostly like Snapchat, I don't
• 1:37:11
  know. Maybe three, four, five years
• 1:37:12
  ago could kids on the. I literally just got to figure
• 1:37:15
  out a way to get your videos to the kid.
• 1:37:18
  All right, you know? So I think it may be at 20:20
• 1:37:23
  Point 120 points? Yeah.
• 1:37:24
  I pulled it up. Yeah.
• 1:37:25
  I wanted to look at it. Here's what's amazing?
• 1:37:27
  First of all? Well, take a step back.
• 1:37:30
  You're not on Tick-Tock, are you?
• 1:37:32
  No, no. I'm okay, yeah, it's getting
• 1:37:37
  ready to get banned or something, man.
• 1:37:38
  So we don't talk about that. But Instagrams, I'm looking at
• 1:37:41
  your Instagram right now 20-point 3,000 followers.
• 1:37:47
  That's Easing. But what I mean, there's just so
• 1:37:50
  much. I love about your Instagram
• 1:37:52
  here. You're following less than 400
• 1:37:54
  people. And what I mean by that, I like
• 1:37:56
  that is. It's not.
• 1:37:57
  You know, there's a, there's kind of a tradition if you will
• 1:37:59
  a follow back, right? If you follow someone, they'll
• 1:38:01
  follow you back. So some people have a strategy
• 1:38:03
  of, oh, I'll go follow every athlete.
• 1:38:05
  Every coach there is and then get the follow back.
• 1:38:10
  You're not, you're not getting that on purpose.
• 1:38:12
  But so, the reason you're getting followers is because of
• 1:38:15
  the content you're providing value.
• 1:38:18
  You to people people these 20,000, most of these 20,000
• 1:38:21
  people are following you because they see value in the content
• 1:38:24
  you're publishing. So I love that and then I go
• 1:38:27
  through. And I'm just, you know, I'm
• 1:38:29
  starting from you. Just push this one three days
• 1:38:31
  ago, 1300 reviews, 1500 views. 6500 this one was liked by 470
• 1:38:41
  people. There are some huge, I mean,
• 1:38:44
  it's interesting how consistent, you know, call it And then I
• 1:38:49
  remember I just saw one this morning.
• 1:38:51
  No. Where is it at?
• 1:38:53
  There's a 4000 this this video here was liked by nearly 1,000
• 1:38:59
  people. That's amazing.
• 1:39:03
  Where was the one? Gosh.
• 1:39:05
  Dang it. No, I just thought there's 85
• 1:39:06
  hundred views if you go back. Maybe about two or three rows,
• 1:39:10
  you'll see some videos, maybe like by 6,000 people.
• 1:39:13
  Oh no 12,000 731. And it's they're doing latter
• 1:39:19
  work with, they're not bungees, but they're the release belts or
• 1:39:23
  whatnot. Yes, sir, yeah, twelve thousand
• 1:39:26
  four thousand. I mean, this is again what I
• 1:39:30
  love about it. Ten thousand is most people
• 1:39:35
  think of social media as self-promotion, you started it
• 1:39:39
  as hey I've got to find a way as a utility.
• 1:39:42
  Like I've got to find a way to get video to my kids and even
• 1:39:45
  maybe their parents you're right back.
• 1:39:48
  Then it wasn't as easy. It is today.
• 1:39:49
  Would file sharing, even it's still not even super easy today.
• 1:39:52
  Let's be real. But you so it started out as a
• 1:39:55
  utility of like, hey, I need to serve my kids, my oath leitz.
• 1:39:59
  How do I figure out? OK, let's use this Instagram
• 1:40:01
  thing and then the value you brought with, you know, block
• 1:40:05
  start Innovation things that you do.
• 1:40:07
  And then even the recruiting aspect of seeing the kids for
• 1:40:10
  other coaches to see, I mean, it's no, it's no haphazard that
• 1:40:16
  you have 20,000 I mean honestly you know that doesn't just
• 1:40:19
  happen just because it happens there has to be value in there.
• 1:40:23
  So I'm just just so impressed with with that attitude of it
• 1:40:27
  man. And honestly again with that
• 1:40:29
  self-promotion piece like I don't I rarely see you in the
• 1:40:33
  video, you know, it's not like you are selfie and like, hey,
• 1:40:36
  watch today's, you know, practice it is, it seems to be
• 1:40:39
  so focused on the athlete and the training.
• 1:40:44
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:40:45
  And so what I try I will literally, you know, got the
• 1:40:49
  clearest phone are could at the time because I was trying to I
• 1:40:54
  think I would maybe taking something I wanted people to see
• 1:40:57
  their steps in the ground, the sea.
• 1:41:00
  So you know I think I got a video something where Tyson Gay
• 1:41:03
  maybe it's often power couple of people jumping out the blocks
• 1:41:07
  you can see why I'm really track heavy on a lot of my stuff but I
• 1:41:10
  wanted them to see the distance that was covered on the first
• 1:41:13
  day of Well I think I had a video and you can't really tell
• 1:41:16
  what that first foot hear that. And so the everything you do,
• 1:41:21
  you know, I'm a record, you know, 20 videos in one practice
• 1:41:25
  and you may see a 30 second clip.
• 1:41:27
  I try to explain that the coaches, but the other content I
• 1:41:30
  was putting up with trying to show people things and
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  sometimes, you're not, then I would put up a failure,
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  something like that show people. Hey, this is what it was.
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  That happens. Real life, real life.
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  Try to explain to people. Hey, this is what we're going.
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  Well, I started trying to explain to people maybe back in
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  2014, something like that because I would get a lot of
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  inbox. Hey, why are you doing this?
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  And so on? But at first, I was literally
• 1:41:55
  trying to just get information to my kids and so on like that.
• 1:41:59
  And so now what I'm you know I'll put a title on the video
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  people are come asking me for stuff and you know things like
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  that, I try to explain to them, you know, I got up, you know,
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  maybe a drill, whatever running over my car and I try to explain
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  it. Him.
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  Listen we're doing this and this athlete is like this, this face
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  might not work for you, but this is my base set up.
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  And while I'm doing this for every micro heard bill has a
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  different purpose, I try to explain to my look practice.
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  We practice five days a week, okay?
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  And and, and practices, at least two two, almost three hours.
• 1:42:33
  You seen a 30 second clip. I mean, that's like, you know,
• 1:42:37
  you watching me bake a cake and you see me take the cake out and
• 1:42:39
  says, 235 and I, hey, I need a break.
• 1:42:51
  So I try to explain to people like this and just, this is
• 1:42:54
  this, you know, I get a lot of people come in, man, that bike
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  is not straight. That's the point.
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  Like, its development. Like this is his first time
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  doing a trio. I'm glad you noticed that they
• 1:43:03
  want doing something right now that actually gets to see the
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  same thing that you did in the something like, oh okay.
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  So I'm like, you know, I get a lot of people that are
• 1:43:12
  criticizing the kid for now. Not doing something right now.
• 1:43:14
  Wait a minute. Now listen that young man, a
• 1:43:17
  young lady is learning how to do something.
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  I'm posting a video for educational purposes and I let
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  him know. I kind of in boxing in something
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  like there but I try to keep it respectful but I get more hey
• 1:43:29
  coach you know you know Banks or whatever and I try to respond to
• 1:43:33
  everybody what it be a - Commodore, father come here and
• 1:43:36
  try to tell them hey just what I'm doing and so on but it's
• 1:43:40
  more or less for those coaches to see the kids and morally.
• 1:43:43
  For the kid go back and see it now.
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  Does it does it have a certain, you know, you know, does it
• 1:43:51
  doesn't recruit people and probably does I mean?
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  And, and I, it's not it's not about that, you know, if I could
• 1:43:56
  go back down to 2,000 people, you know, that's fine, but I'm
• 1:43:59
  still going to kind of do the same thing or whatever, you
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  know. So I do get a lot of people.
• 1:44:04
  Hey, I want to come to your school, I want to come run to
• 1:44:06
  your, I want to come to your club and things like that, but I
• 1:44:09
  explain to them, you know. Hey do you have a coach?
• 1:44:12
  Your coach is doing the best? They can, you know, you're going
• 1:44:14
  to have your coach to contact me or you guys, you don't want to
• 1:44:18
  show you coach some of the video, but don't think that that
• 1:44:21
  you see this little candy right here that there is other stuff
• 1:44:25
  to it. And so and I would like if you
• 1:44:27
  got someone that's working with you cherish that person because
• 1:44:31
  they don't have to, you know, if your coach is talking to you if
• 1:44:34
  he is she is working with you day care.
• 1:44:37
  You know what, you need to worry about is when they're not
• 1:44:39
  talking to you, that's when they when they stop talking to you.
• 1:44:41
  So I always try to make sure that they do.
• 1:44:44
  So caught up in what they see on the social media that they
• 1:44:47
  forget that you still got to leave one coat.
• 1:44:49
  I get people all the time because I need to come down
• 1:44:51
  here. Well no you got someone working
• 1:44:53
  with you. Look look, don't talk to them.
• 1:44:55
  So them new things or whatever in the most respectful way
• 1:44:58
  because I don't know that every girl that I got works for every
• 1:45:01
  asking, right? You know, I always tell them,
• 1:45:04
  you know, not to promote your product.
• 1:45:07
  But, you know, I talk about Slade all the time.
• 1:45:09
  I'll talk about the blocks out, I've had different blocks, I've
• 1:45:13
  had it Different hurdles, you know, I've had the hurdles, you
• 1:45:17
  know, you know, that has a bar on the outside up.
• 1:45:20
  So you got the little more hurdle and then I got like a
• 1:45:23
  little. I hate that hurdle because if
• 1:45:25
  they, you know, the kids to step on it but they do trip the back
• 1:45:28
  of the hurricane come back and hit them.
• 1:45:30
  So, it's a purpose. Why I pick out that Jill?
• 1:45:33
  Um, they they give a hurdle or whatever because I love, you
• 1:45:37
  know, when they fall. So it's not just the look of it,
• 1:45:40
  but if they hit her. Yeah, because utilities, We're
• 1:45:44
  supposed to and and we are okay. And so that's why, you know, I
• 1:45:50
  tell him to go get those type of hurdles.
• 1:45:52
  This guy, tell him to go get this leg, you know, I think
• 1:45:54
  there's someone else that may try to make it stay like that.
• 1:45:57
  I'm like, I'm never had an issue.
• 1:45:59
  You know, I never had a rusty issue.
• 1:46:00
  Anything like that? So, everything is for a purpose
• 1:46:03
  and on the carpet. Well, I tell, you know, when you
• 1:46:05
  put yourself out there like you do like, you know, the clinical
• 1:46:10
  exam, am I can't even say the word, the wait.
• 1:46:13
  That is to say this is you invite the haters, right?
• 1:46:17
  I mean, there's going to be a few ever, there's some people
• 1:46:19
  that just in honestly, you know, when ideal and see people who
• 1:46:24
  know a lot of it's Anonymous, of course, you know, they take the
• 1:46:27
  time to say something negative about any post but never talk
• 1:46:31
  about yours to me. I actually feel sorry for those
• 1:46:33
  people like man, your life is so bad.
• 1:46:36
  You took the time out there, you had the time to bash.
• 1:46:39
  Someone who's just trying to do work.
• 1:46:41
  You know, it's amaze me. But so you invite those, hey
• 1:46:43
  He's out there. But what I love about, I just
• 1:46:46
  another aspect of your specifically, the Instagram
• 1:46:49
  where I pay attention mostly to you is your connectivity with
• 1:46:54
  the audience. So every time someone replies
• 1:46:58
  and you get a lots of replies on these things, you respond, even
• 1:47:02
  if it's a simple thank-you or I've seen you do a heart emoji,
• 1:47:06
  you know, just there's always a reply back from you which to me
• 1:47:11
  again when we start talking about humbleness and Your
• 1:47:14
  character that that's what that is.
• 1:47:16
  You know, it's not responding on social media is like having a
• 1:47:20
  phone and not answering the phone or not answering a text
• 1:47:24
  like you would never do that. So if someone takes the time to
• 1:47:28
  reply on your post or send you a message, hate to say you owe it.
• 1:47:32
  But man yo something right I mean it's communication and you
• 1:47:35
  do such an outstanding job there.
• 1:47:38
  Yeah. Well I will say it so I you
• 1:47:40
  know, of course, social media is all over the world.
• 1:47:42
  So I get a lot of people from Don't know exactly America
• 1:47:44
  follow. Yeah like that.
• 1:47:46
  So I mean I mean I had to just let you into my inbox one day is
• 1:47:54
  looking for just you know hope or something whatever.
• 1:47:58
  And so when you when you realize that the other side of it even
• 1:48:01
  that young kid from, I don't know up in Michigan, who has no
• 1:48:05
  one to train them or, or, or from nowhere, Idaho, whatever.
• 1:48:09
  You know, it's crazy where you, where you meet people from and
• 1:48:12
  they're like, I don't have Any coach?
• 1:48:14
  I just love track. You are my coat.
• 1:48:18
  Wow. Hey, I acknowledge you.
• 1:48:39
  I don't know if anyone else in your world is acknowledging you,
• 1:48:42
  but I see you, you Thanks for supporting my try to do
• 1:48:45
  something to let him know. Hey, I'm oh, you know, I'm
• 1:48:47
  supporting you that type of deal because at the end of the day,
• 1:48:50
  we're here to serve and we're here to honor everybody else.
• 1:48:53
  That's grandma. Just one who led a way to do it.
• 1:48:56
  So, you know, the title of coach is a really especially guys like
• 1:49:00
  you and I who are in this and people listening right now, you
• 1:49:03
  know, that's a, that's a honorable title, right?
• 1:49:07
  Some people strive to have the title of CEO one day or judge,
• 1:49:13
  Judge a lawyer etcetera, that title of coaches, so special.
• 1:49:19
  And sometimes, you know, I've heard the negative side of it
• 1:49:22
  that, you know, anybody can hang a shingle and say, you're a
• 1:49:24
  coach and all that kind of stuff and certainly, that's true,
• 1:49:27
  you're right. But that title, when a kid when
• 1:49:30
  an athlete honors you with that term, whether they've chosen
• 1:49:35
  your college program. They've chosen to join your high
• 1:49:37
  school program. What's it like?
• 1:49:40
  Because you just talked about something.
• 1:49:42
  I've Don't think about very much that kid in Idaho and upper
• 1:49:47
  Michigan, who doesn't have a coach loves track and he calls
• 1:49:52
  you, he or she because of a connection they've made with you
• 1:49:55
  over social media says, hey, you're my coach, what does that
• 1:49:59
  feel like? Well, it makes you at least
• 1:50:05
  makes me want to make sure that I'm giving them my best.
• 1:50:10
  You know, you know, because you just, you just never know.
• 1:50:13
  Know what they may be. Needing you can't answer
• 1:50:15
  everything. I mean I've done Instagram
• 1:50:17
  called like you know where, which I think is pretty cool.
• 1:50:19
  I get on there and I will listen, I can't your videos
• 1:50:22
  fuzzy, just call me, call me at this time, pass on the
• 1:50:26
  videotape, you running and so. And I may be able to help them
• 1:50:30
  and so you know, you can't ask for everybody but I like look,
• 1:50:34
  send me video that type of. So so, so that deal.
• 1:50:37
  I guess you just automatically or I feel like I automatically
• 1:50:41
  like, well maybe I can help you The bit, you know, you know, let
• 1:50:45
  me see what I can do here. And so it works out for me
• 1:50:48
  because I get to meet someone. And there's someone is a little
• 1:50:52
  bit more successful. I actually showed up at a meet,
• 1:50:56
  we went, maybe the Indiana, someone with her meeting
• 1:50:59
  Indiana, and I met a girl from Minnesota.
• 1:51:02
  I'll follow her. And she took a picture of me in
• 1:51:04
  college, and she ran up to me, like, hey, I follow you.
• 1:51:06
  I said, I have no idea. You know, I didn't tell you
• 1:51:08
  that, I had no idea. I think we'll listen, I need you
• 1:51:11
  to inbox me so I can know who you are.
• 1:51:13
  To make sure I'm following in that type of deal.
• 1:51:15
  And once I met her, I kind of look.
• 1:51:17
  I think I'll name was the code or whatever.
• 1:51:19
  I need to go to you listening, I'm sorry.
• 1:51:21
  Yeah, whatever. So, but this young lady Dakota,
• 1:51:26
  I mean, like I said, I'd get people from every different
• 1:51:28
  races so you would have think that that that that she was.
• 1:51:34
  I mean, I mean, you would have thought that we known each
• 1:51:36
  other. You got to think we're in the
• 1:51:37
  middle of this track mate. She's got on a different
• 1:51:39
  uniform, that's young white girl.
• 1:51:41
  I'm a black guy was kind of love.
• 1:51:43
  Feels unit. Ran up to me.
• 1:51:45
  We're hugging. We're talking both pre covid and
• 1:51:47
  everything like that. He had to say it.
• 1:51:50
  It's like what are y'all doing out?
• 1:51:51
  Everybody's got to see why a psycho as before this stuff,
• 1:51:54
  man, I don't hug now. Small college program and she's
• 1:52:38
  gotten a lot better because of it.
• 1:52:41
  And so what I try to do is make sure You know, I go back and
• 1:52:45
  check on lot, go back and send messages to people and, and I
• 1:52:48
  try to, you know, even with your post, you'll see me go in and
• 1:52:52
  you put something. I try to put a little fire Mosey
• 1:52:54
  on into something like that because I want to show support
• 1:52:57
  to everybody. I can.
• 1:52:59
  So what I fall you're not I'll go in and try to show you
• 1:53:03
  support because you never know who was healthy.
• 1:53:06
  And so just like that young lady or the kids from India, I get a
• 1:53:09
  lot of people internationally, believed in life, whatever, from
• 1:53:12
  South Africa, south America Brazil and things like that, you
• 1:53:15
  know, I had to get my Google translator out and I never know
• 1:53:29
  what type of I don't know why it just admit.
• 1:53:45
  Yeah, I remember something right.
• 1:53:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Used to be a belt.
• 1:53:50
  Actually got a Bluetooth speaker in the couple other things that
• 1:53:53
  I still got. I got a coaster?
• 1:53:55
  Yeah, I think. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:53:59
  Yes, I got the coast. We got the little loops on me
• 1:54:45
  all around the belt. Yeah the max don't with
• 1:54:47
  anything. I love that belt because I could
• 1:54:51
  put my piercings anywhere I want on the belt or whatever you
• 1:54:54
  literally found that belt for I think I was trying to describe
• 1:54:57
  the something I think. I think we're the only makers of
• 1:55:00
  that belt. To be honest with you.
• 1:55:02
  I don't think I think I could be wrong.
• 1:55:04
  Yeah, I think you are like I said you, you got there but I
• 1:55:09
  had to go get it, whatever I loved about like I use it all
• 1:55:12
  the time. I hate to leave. it out in the
• 1:55:13
  rain and what particular by my But she was able to give me the
• 1:55:44
  right belt and they like they like, hey just you know tell me
• 1:55:47
  your address whatever and so that worked really well.
• 1:55:50
  And so always, you know, probably send people your way
• 1:55:53
  that's because I'm like, listen. You see my videos of me?
• 1:55:55
  How I'm using a sled. You can actually talk to someone
• 1:55:58
  but I'm telling you it's well worth it.
• 1:56:00
  And so that's why I respond back on my social media just because
• 1:56:04
  of the fact that it may help someone.
• 1:56:05
  Yeah, I think you and I have the same kind of attitude towards
• 1:56:09
  that you know, I think we both do things not With an
• 1:56:14
  expectation of a return, you know, honestly, if I do
• 1:56:16
  something solid for you, and I totally forgot I sent you that
• 1:56:21
  goody bag of some into a, a stuff and yeah, you know, I do
• 1:56:26
  that. And I think you're in that same
• 1:56:27
  way with the videos and the communication, if I do it, and I
• 1:56:30
  expect something back, well, well, then I'm not really a good
• 1:56:33
  guy. It is my opinion, right.
• 1:56:35
  I expect if I have expectations and then also, it sets me up for
• 1:56:39
  failure, right? So if I expect you to do
• 1:56:41
  something for me and you don't do it.
• 1:56:42
  Well, then I get So all sad and everything.
• 1:56:45
  But if I do something like hey you know what, this guy's cool,
• 1:56:47
  he's doing some cool things, I got these cool things, let me
• 1:56:50
  see if he likes them. If he doesn't know well that you
• 1:56:51
  know, he'll have it, your belt messed up.
• 1:56:54
  Well, hey, doing the right thing is always the right thing.
• 1:56:57
  I should take care of them would zero expectations and I think
• 1:57:01
  you're that same way I love hearing that story about the
• 1:57:04
  girl from Minnesota. I mean that is you know we all
• 1:57:08
  have the ability. We don't all take the
• 1:57:11
  opportunity but we all have the ability.
• 1:57:13
  Tea to affect people's lives in a positive manner, and that and
• 1:57:17
  that Circle runs, sometimes as small as and it should run as
• 1:57:21
  small as your household, right? You're with your family, your
• 1:57:25
  network, your your neighborhood. It can that Circle can get
• 1:57:29
  bigger if you're in charge or work inside of a program, your
• 1:57:33
  own private business and then social media allows us to widen
• 1:57:37
  that Circle even more and then to your point worldwide, you
• 1:57:40
  know, from South America and Brazil and overseas.
• 1:57:43
  See, he's, you know, we all have that ability to make make
• 1:57:49
  someone's life better. And it here's the thing, as I
• 1:57:52
  think maybe we watch TV too much, we think it takes this
• 1:57:55
  Grand gesture. Like oh man, if I don't fly up
• 1:57:58
  to Minnesota, personally, work with that girl that I then what
• 1:58:01
  does it matter like? No, no, you just, you answered
• 1:58:03
  some messages, you put out some videos and that affected her
• 1:58:06
  life tremendously. That's so awesome.
• 1:58:10
  And I tell you it's such a jerk today as we Walk through High
• 1:58:15
  School, through college, through outside training and track and
• 1:58:19
  field, and things like that, and the club, there's a theme of
• 1:58:23
  giving with you and you know and and thank goodness because you
• 1:58:29
  have given, you have been given. So I yeah, I want to give a
• 1:58:33
  shout-out. I know we don't want to say the
• 1:58:35
  person's name for privacy reasons.
• 1:58:36
  I respect that in, by the way, it's not just this person,
• 1:58:40
  you've had others, but that person who, you know, took a
• 1:58:43
  leap of faith Faith saw, what you do, what you do for, no
• 1:58:47
  return. Like you weren't asking, you
• 1:58:49
  know, for anything, you know, people like that specifically in
• 1:58:52
  track and field as were, you know, inside this world here is,
• 1:58:57
  you know, so great for our sport, how much I hope that
• 1:59:00
  person knows how many kids and kids have kids that that money
• 1:59:06
  helped with equipment opportunity coaching etcetera,
• 1:59:12
  you know, chat. Out to that person, into the
• 1:59:14
  many people that have helped you along the way.
• 1:59:17
  And the other side of that is thank you for the opportunities.
• 1:59:21
  In the, the positivity, you've given to many many kids and
• 1:59:25
  here's the great thing man. You ain't even close to retiring
• 1:59:28
  my friend. So you've got me many many, many
• 1:59:31
  years. Show you this.
• 1:59:44
  This is a so-so. Do I get some type of return?
• 1:59:48
  I meet great people. You know, I met you.
• 1:59:51
  So I consider you a friend rocket to see you somewhere.
• 1:59:54
  We can go out. We can have lunch whatever, you
• 1:59:57
  know. So, so I get that.
• 1:59:58
  And then the other side of it is the young people that I worked
• 2:00:01
  with get to be successful. So I do so, I think there is a
• 2:00:04
  return. I'll be food store, or I'll be,
• 2:00:06
  you know, lying to say that I didn't get something out of it.
• 2:00:10
  I mean, seeing someone walk across the stage with a degree.
• 2:00:13
  Yeah, you got to think my first class to graduate, like
• 2:00:19
  everybody in the entire family. I mean, everybody there walk
• 2:00:23
  across the stage, nobody that family had a college degree.
• 2:00:26
  So I think goes back, 2011 or 2012 everybody who walked across
• 2:00:31
  the stage. It was the first time college
• 2:00:34
  graduate wind, so I stepped. I'm telling you like all the
• 2:00:38
  time, we run fast, all the things that we want, all the
• 2:00:40
  meats, all the races, nothing too.
• 2:00:43
  After the fact that those eight kids walk across that stage and
• 2:00:46
  got that thing. Last thing I still got that
• 2:00:48
  picture. So so so is there a is there
• 2:00:51
  like a benefit to me? I'm telling something like that
• 2:00:54
  right there, it's way more just am holding it up with pride like
• 2:00:57
  look Mom, I graduated from college or whatever, so so.
• 2:01:01
  So Bob we had eight National tie, you know, I don't, I would
• 2:01:04
  never be as great as. Yeah.
• 2:01:06
  I was supposed green or post Mak are opposed brahmana or any of
• 2:01:10
  those things. But but but my greatness.
• 2:01:13
  Or I feel like it's very much just those kids achieve
• 2:01:16
  something that I don't know that they ever believed it that they
• 2:01:18
  would say. Yeah I know your your humble
• 2:01:22
  enough that you won't allow this analogy, but I think of when you
• 2:01:26
  talked about Coach Mac in two different ways, one was the on
• 2:01:29
  the track coach Mac and working with the kids on their splits,
• 2:01:33
  the 26:5, and things like that. But also that other side of
• 2:01:36
  Coach Mac that he saw you in the bank immediately recognized that
• 2:01:40
  you were one of honestly I don't know if he recognizes you as an
• 2:01:43
  athlete. It might have just been like,
• 2:01:44
  hey, this kid needs help, so I'm going to tell them.
• 2:01:46
  But yeah, I've got influence on this Bank.
• 2:01:48
  Hey, help. This kid out, right?
• 2:01:49
  You are doing that same thing, you know, coach Mac was a 40
• 2:01:53
  year old coach once in his life, you know, long time ago, you
• 2:01:57
  know, and doing the things he had to build up to become coach
• 2:02:00
  Mac. You're doing that same thing
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  right now with just as much influence to be real, real
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  Frank, man. Every time you affect the kid,
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  doesn't matter where they're from.
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  That's a huge impact that you're making.
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  You're just doing such a great job and I was just I'm so
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  humbled and proud and honored that you would come on our show
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  today to get to know you even better.
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  I agree. You're my friend, I can't wait
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  to see you at a track meet one day.
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  I don't will either do elbow bombs or how I'm a hugger.
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  So, this is this. This coronavirus thing is
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  killing me, man. But it just so, so thankful.
• 2:02:31
  You would join us today and talk about your journey and all the
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  many, many positive aspects that you're doing social media Track
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  Club. Arkansas Baptist, man.
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  It's really amazing. It is absolutely what I mean.
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  Like I say, thanks again. I I definitely appreciate you
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  giving me the opportunity and this stage and everything like
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  that today to speak to you and and learn from you at the same
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  time whatever. So it's always when we meet good
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  people there's always something you can kind of learn and pick
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  up and so I definitely know you know that you have a heart for
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  people so I appreciate you for having a just say a great heart
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  pick you don't find it everywhere.
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  So I got to acknowledge that I've always been taught The kind
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  of knowledge, the goodness in people but ever saw different
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  want to acknowledge their but yeah, absolutely honored.
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  I look forward to, to listen to the rest of the podcast and I'm
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  thankful, you know, you know, I know we were in this day and age
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  where you got a social distance and all this stuff but you know,
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  we have a way to still connect. So I think this is a really
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  awesome. Like, we're I feel like we're in
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  the same room talking, so, so I'm honored today to be a part
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  of this. You humble me.
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  My friend. Thank you so much, man.
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  I appreciate your story and your journey and I love that it It's
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  the book ain't over, man. You've got so much more to do.
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  Thank you so much. All right.
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  Thank you. Thank you.
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  Have a blessed day. Who wasn't that fun?
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  Man, that's it. Boys and girls, that's a wrap.
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  What a great, great, great time. I just had right there.
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  I hope you did as well. If you like, what you heard,
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  using for your social media text message.
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  Old-school, let's do it man. I really, really appreciate that
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  That's it. I'm out of here.
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  Look forward to next time bringing you another great
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  connection with another great track and field coach.
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  Bye-bye.