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Episode 18; Capt. Janice Hawkins, SPO Isiah Senyak, Ask The Chief with Chief Mike Lamb, and The History Minute with Hannah Silberman · APD Pod Squad

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_04: This is the APD Pod Squad.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_04: Coming up on this episode, getting to know Captain Janice Hawkins.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_04: She is not an Asheville native, but she's been here a long time.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_04: Police Chief Mike Lamb is in the hot seat taking your questions.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_04: Another edition of Ask the Chief in the History Minute with Hannah Silberman, a line of duty death from 1972.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll find out what's happening in the world of community engagement where the APD will be out and about with Senior Police Officer Isaiah Seniak.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_04: All that and more on this edition of the APD Pod Squad.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_04: Getting to know Captain Janice Hawkins, thanks for sitting down with us today.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_04: Matter of fact, you are sitting down.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_04: You got legs up.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_04: You're all comfortable over there.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's my Friday.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_04: I had to talk you into this, so I'm not sure how entirely comfortable you are, but I think you're going to enjoy it once we get going.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm going to try.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_04: We've got to know each other a little bit over the past year, but uh many of our listeners probably don't know you as well as I do.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe even some of your co-workers might not know you as much, which is why one of the questions that we asked that kind of gets us started is to name one thing that most people don't know about you.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_04: We've learned some things about some APD officers during this experiment.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_04: So what's the one thing that they don't know about you?
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Ross Powell Well, I guess I can say a lot of people that work here do not know that I never intended to be a police officer.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell What did you intend to be?
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Ross Powell I said when I graduated with my degree in criminal justice that I wanted to do anything but be a police officer.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell But you got a degree in criminal justice.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Ross Powell Yeah, it was sociology, actually.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a sociologist at heart.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: And um at the college I was at, you had to specialize into one of four areas.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: There was gerontology, juvenile justice, social work, or criminal justice.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't like the other three.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I took criminal justice.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's very interesting to me, you know, studying recidivism and I can't say that, I should say.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_04: Recidivism.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: Recidivism, if I could speak.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um and just the sociology of people is very interesting to me.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_04: So you said college.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_04: What college was that?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I went to UNC, but I did not go to the UNC you're thinking of.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_04: Not the Chapel Hill.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, I went to UNC, which is the University of Northern Colorado.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_04: Still a UNC.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: It was UNC.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't understand when I would tell people when I moved here.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: That I went to UNC and they'd be like, oh, I know somebody that went there.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, you do?
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know that's just it's in Colorado.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: So that's very different.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell Well, if you're down and let's say in the South Carolina coast, some people will say Carolina, and they mean South Carolina.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_04: But if you say Carolina here, of course, people think North Carolina.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: So Tar Hills versus Gamecox.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Ross Powell Well I married into a very UNC favorable favorable family.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: My uh my mother-in-law, father-in-law, and my husband are all diehard UNC fans.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_04: So no, we this time we are talking about the Tar Hills.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, the Tar Hills.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: Basketball, football, yep, we watch them all.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so that that's where you went to college, but where were you born?
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was born in California, so I'm originally from San Diego.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_04: Do you miss that kind of the that kind of life, the beach life?
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_04: When did you move away?
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_04: Just when you went to college?
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I actually stayed there and went to a couple years of college there, and my family's from there.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I really do love the ocean and the beach, but the traffic is terrible and it's very crowded and it takes a long time to get anywhere.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: So when I decided to go look at colleges, I looked at Colorado and North Carolina were the two places that I had interest in visiting.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I visited colleges in both towns.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: I came out I flew out here to visit Western and UNCA.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: And mostly that was because the movie Last of the Mohicans was filmed in this area.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it was so beautiful.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, oh, I'd love to live there.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I came out and visited and decided it was too far across the country.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I ended up going to school halfway across the country in Colorado to the only school that I didn't visit.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_04: So but it must be a thing with the mountains.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_04: Is that why Colorado?
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_04: Is that why here's the Yes?
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: I love the mountains when I was a young one.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: We would um go camping a lot.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: We had a camper and we had it parked up in uh Palomar Mountain, which is in California.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very beautiful area.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so we used to camp in the mountains.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: And most people don't think of mountains when you think of California, but there is a beautiful mountain range.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: Where I lived in in San Diego, you could go 30 minutes to the beach in about 45 minutes and you were in the mountains.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: So you had the best of both worlds.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the Sierra Nevada mountain range traverses the entire state.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell So but now you're not the only uh Asheville Police Department employee from California.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure there's many, but I know Detective Sonia Escobito is from Los Angeles.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I I knew that a long time ago, but I haven't thought about that in many years.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure we have uh some others, I would guess.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_04: I would guess.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we probably do.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't really uh keep up on it too much.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: I've lived here so long I feel like a native now.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_04: Well, how long is that?
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I moved here in ninety-nine and um met my future husband shortly thereafter and married and had kids, and he's a native and his parents are native.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm about as native as you can get for not being native.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_04: So we have a lot in common.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_04: I also moved here in ninety-nine and married a native.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_04: I do not have children, so I so I stopped it there.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_04: I had a little uh operation that made sure I did not have children.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_04: Big fan of that.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_04: But I I know you're very proud of your children and your grandchildren.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh so yes, we have that in common.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_04: Both moved here in ninety nine.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I'm I did move away for a few years.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_04: So you probably you'd be beaten total years if you stayed here the whole time.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: I stayed the whole time.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_04: So let me ask you this.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_04: You said you didn't plan to get into law enforcement, but did you move here for the job?
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I did.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um back in in the 99, I had been out of school for a while, and my family, my parents uh were about close to retirement age, and we had all agreed that if I moved back I was living in Colorado and wasn't gonna get anyone in my family to move there, it was too cold.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I moved back home to California with the agreement that my parents and I would find someplace else to go.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Both my sisters were already living on the East Coast, and so we were looking on the East Coast.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: And since I had visited Asheville in '93, we looked for, you know, opportunities here and um got the job through the newspaper.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: We were getting the newspaper mailed to our home every Sunday.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: So uh applied through that and ended up getting the job here and moved here with a job and expected to fully use that as a stepping stone into a different something.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: But um but I'm a woman of faith and I believe God had a different plan for me, and here I am.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_04: I've always said that God has a plan.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_04: He just doesn't always tell us.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: Then uh I tried several times to get into different things, but all the doors were shut.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: So if the doors are shut, that's for a reason.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't know I'd have to wait 18 years in this career to find that I was really a good administrator.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: And administration was probably the best course for me, and I really like it.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_04: So getting to know Captain Janice Hawkins, you just mentioned that it let's explain to people what you do, because I've seen you in uniform.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_04: You've you've been uh you're like everyone else, starts off a patrol officer.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_04: So I've seen you that way.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_04: But now clearly on a daily basis when I see you, you're not usually in uniform.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_04: You're I guess dressed like me, in lack of a better term, like civilian clothes.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_04: But you are still a sworn officer.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: I am, I still carry a gun every day.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_04: I see that.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: So uh but I sit at a desk most of the time doing administrative work and wearing a wearing a uniform for me means wearing a vest.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: And that can get uncomfortable for a long period sitting at a desk for eight hours a day.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: So um I became comfortable in civilian clothes once again and and enjoy being able to be comfortable at work while I do the business end of this job.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_04: Which is a job that needs to be done as well.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_04: I think if you tell someone that you're a police officer, the first thing they imagine is you're out there on the street doing something policey.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, in fact, in fact, when I was an officer on the street and a detective and doing all the policey stuff, and someone who didn't know that about me was introduced or getting to know me, they would they wouldn't believe that I was a police officer.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: They just were like, No, you don't.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, Yes, I am, that's what I do.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: And they were like, huh, I would have never guessed that.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_04: So um so is this more believable then?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: Is this more fit what people would imagine your personality, the the admin side?
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell Yeah, I'm sure that it's it's much more uh my comfort zone and and well, not comfort zone.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: I was comfortable being a police officer, but uh this is very enjoyable, fulfilling for me at work.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_04: So something you're good at.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Organizing things, keeping things moving, and and keeping track of stuff and providing for people.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, my my job is basically to make sure that everyone who does the operational job has what they need and has it and can use it, and that it's in good condition, and that we replace it on a good cycle.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so I feel like the support end, which uh that's kind of my personality anyway, is uh being a supporter.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_04: So knowing that and and what you do, uh Hurricane Helene and everything surrounding that was a crazy time for you, like it was everybody.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell It was.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um my my division is uh finance and support and the logistics unit falls into that.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: So basically anything that needed to happen to take care of our officers and all the volunteers and all of the the outside agencies that came to help us making sure that they had what they needed on the daily basis and were being fed and taking, you know, had water and um, you know, could go home and clean themselves as best possible.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: We we had all the supplies and made sure that we were taking care of everybody to make sure that their downtime was spent relaxing and not trying to go find something at a store and sending their family out to to do all those things.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: So we just tried to make sure we we were taking care of people here.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell And I've told everyone that, that has asked me, that knows what I do and knew knows that time was stressful for everyone, especially anybody surrounding first responders.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, listen, my job was easy compared to what everybody else was doing.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_04: I was just trying to chip in and help.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_04: I go, but the people that are organizing everything, they made our lives really easy.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_04: I go, that they so everybody could do what they needed to do.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell Yeah, that was the point.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: That was our goal was to take all the background stuff out of the way for you.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: So you had any supplies that you needed, you were fed, you know, we made sure all that people were bringing in a lot of donations, and so we, you know, took those in and organized them so that we could send them back out to fill the needs of the officers and the community.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell Got a little spoiled during that time, actually, because you know I would come into work, I wouldn't have to pack a lunch because people were providing it for like at least like a month.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell Yeah.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: It was quite a while, actually.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_04: You had created like a mini grocery store in one of our on the first floor rooms that is usually for, I guess, our bikes or there's different stores.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_04: It's a storage room.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_04: And it became like a mini grocery store.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_04: And we could just order I need soap, I need this, I need that.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we even created a form for you so that you could fill out the form and we'd have it ready before you left for the day so that you didn't have to stop somewhere and try to do all that, and you could go home and recharge with your family.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_04: I almost didn't do it, and then you're like, no, no, fill it out.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_04: We've got plenty of stuff.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_04: We want to get rid of this stuff and whatever.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, okay, fine.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_04: And I fill it out, and like five minutes later, it's like your box is ready, and like, this is the greatest.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's uh the community helped.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all the donations and people bringing things in are really what made that possible.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: And all we did was take the items and match them up with who needed what and make sure you're all taken care of.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell So you're a captain, which means you've been here a while.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_04: We now know how long you've been here.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus Aaron Ross Powell 20, almost 26 years.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell So you gotta be kind of nearing the end.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_04: Have you thought about that?
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Ross Powell I think about that frequently.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't used to.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not like uh looking forward to you know, I'm not counting the days, but I try to see it as I only have two and a half years left to make an impression, to get things in order and to leave this place better for the next group.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: So that's my goal, is to leave it easy.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell And you know, a lot of our retired officers, they come back and do something else.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_04: They come back and work in the drone division or they come back and work in in some have you thought about remaining a part of this department somehow?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Ross Powell You know, I love my department and I've I've uh have lots of friendships here, but my husband's been retired for seven years, and uh I'm ready to to spend some of that time traveling and um and visiting my grandson and just all the things that I've been putting off all these years to get done.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I I don't plan on coming back to to work.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's about time to join him and put your feet up like you are right now.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just enjoy all that.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I may do some things down the road.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: We have a camper.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: We I love to travel, I love to see the United States and um just to to enjoy the outdoors too.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_04: So well, have fun the last two and a half years or whatever else you got left.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_04: We're looking forward to working with you a little bit more.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_04: And then, of course, in your retirement, I'm sure you'll be enjoying that as well.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for joining us today and talking with us a little bit and getting to know you.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's time for another edition of Ask the Chief, your chance to go directly to the top and ask a question of police chief Mike Lamb.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_04: Several ways you can do that.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_04: You can ask the chief a question via voicemail by calling 250-8800.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_04: That is 250-8800, just leave a message, or you can email as our questions that we're going to feature today came in, and that is at APD Podcastfeedback at AshevilleNC.gov.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_04: Chief Mike Lamb, thanks for joining me.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thanks for having me, Rick.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_04: We got some good questions this time.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, some kind of rather lighthearted, other kind of serious.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, we'll start off with this one.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_04: Chief Lamb, to chase or not to chase?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_04: That is the question.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: That is the question.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_04: Right here is our first one.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_04: When do officers pursue a suspect in a high-speed chase?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_04: Is it when it reaches a certain speed that they disengage?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_04: If it's in a populated area.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: So basically, what are the rules involved with a high-speed chase?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_04: I know we don't see them as much as we used to, and there are some rules.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks from Barry Stenson, who submitted this one.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thank you, Barry, for the question.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: And it is it is a great question.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: We've we changed our protocol, gosh, I'd maybe 15, 20 years ago, as far as really looking at the parameters behind when we will chase and when we will not chase.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because we don't ever want a citizen or a visitor or whoever to get injured during a chase, especially for a low-level offense like speeding or or something like that.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: So what our policy is, is that we will only chase if the suspect has committed what we call like a violent offense, a violent felony.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_03: So if they've committed something like an armed robbery or murder or a shooting or something like that, those are the occasions when we will when we will chase.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um the only other occasion we will chase is when somebody based on their behavior during a chase or at the start of a traffic stop exhibits dangerous behavior.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_03: So like if somebody is firing a gun from a car as they're fleeing, then we will chase if it's if it's a danger to the public at that point.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: You know, however, in any of those circumstances, whenever chase becomes dangerous for the public.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: For example, if someone like is driving the wrong way on uh an interstate or wrong way on a roadway, um, our policy is that our officers are not allowed to chase somebody who is driving the one-way on the wrong way on a one-way street or wrong side of the highway.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_04: Now we have some technology that wasn't in existence in 15, 10 years ago even.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_04: So the drones can help if we have something like that.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_04: I guess we could send somebody out and then they could do what the officers aren't going to do.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_04: They could monitor that vehicle that's you know fleeing without increasing the danger to the public.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_03: Aaron Powell Exactly.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: So we have, and we've monitored chases before with drones and had um basically the the officers pull off of the chase and the drone to take over there as far as radioing updates.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we also have our cameras throughout the city, the LPRs, which record the tag on the vehicle.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: You know, recently we we've caught a murder suspect because the LPR picked up the getaway car and the tag on the car.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um so our officers are are very strategic in their response as well.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_03: So if they're familiar with the subject who's fleeing, um, a lot of times they'll go to the known areas where that subject's gonna be anyway and try to get them in custody whenever they're they're outside of the vehicle, uh, maybe walking to a residence or walking to a grocery store business or something like that.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_03: And if officers are getting ready to get into a situation, for example, if they're apprehending someone who has warrants for their arrest for murder or something serious, a lot of times we'll set up a response to where uh they try to arrest that subject prior to getting in a vehicle so that we can uh avoid uh any kind of car chase unless absolutely necessary.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell So if you're watching TV and the movies, these car chases happen all the time.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_04: You know, if you watch especially those shows in the 70s and 80s, all those classic TV shows like Starskin Hutch, Hill Street Blues, and of course the classic Blues brothers, the the famous chase scene that lasted like 20 minutes at the end.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_04: We're not going to see those anymore, are we?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: No, no.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you know, we have had car chases over the years that have gone over into Tennessee, South Carolina, but those are, you know, a lot of times the other state agencies that we go into will take it over or help us.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: And we've got great relationships with our area law enforcement agencies as well.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: I remember we got a I got in a car chase with a guy who had um done an armed robbery out on Merriman Avenue and it went all the way to Polk County before they were able to flatten the tires with stop sticks.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_03: So it's uh I'm thankful to have those relationships with those other law enforcement agencies to help us out.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_04: Great question from Barry Stenson.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_04: We appreciate you emailing that in.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_04: Next question.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_04: Chief Lamb, a little birdie told me you recently celebrated your 50th birthday.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's true.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_04: Happy birthday, Chief.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_04: Happy birthday from Barbara in Montfort.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_04: She says, What I want to know is what has been your favorite age era?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_04: So we're talking teens, twenties, thirties, and forties now that that one is completed.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_03: So I guess she got four to choose from.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, definitely.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um so yeah, Barbara, thank you so much for uh the question.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I d uh my 50th was last week.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: Looking at all those different decades and all those eras, you know, especially being from Asheville and seeing seeing Asheville change and uh you know the different friends that I've had.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, and thinking about what is the best one, I think the the best is now.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, being the the chief of police at the Asheville Police Department, having the amazing officers that we have, thankfully, uh not the best shape of my life, but I feel pretty good to still run Spartan races, still do 5Ks.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_04: You can get compliments from presidents.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_04: Uh President Trump complimented on your biceps very famously when he was in town.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: Oh God, yeah.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's just I'm gonna remember that the rest of my life.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_04: But that's a good thing to hang your hat on, though.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_04: But and you look at those eras, too, they're entirely different.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_04: If you start to think about them, like you know, the fun that you have when you're a teenager, of course, that's just one thing, completely unbridled.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_04: And then you get into your 20s, still having fun, still very young, a little more responsible.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_04: Then into your 30s, and you're like, oh crud, I'm an adult.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_04: And then into your 40s, and then you're kind of a little more responsible.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_04: You're learning things.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_04: You can use the wisdom.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_04: And now that you're entering your 50s and the chief of police, I can see what you're saying.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_04: This is a great time to be alive.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and everything's culminated up to this point as far as the relationships made.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, like my son's in college, and my daughter's getting ready to start college.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, me and my wife have been married for over 25 years now, and you know, and then seeing the advancements that the police department has made, and it's just it's incredible where we've come and as as an agency.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm just, you know, I'm proud to be sitting where I'm at now.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_03: So my answer is now.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: Right now is the best time.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, Barbara and Monfred, thank you so much for that question.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_04: Last one for our Ask the Chief segment.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_04: And while you're thinking of your question, uh question for the Chief, don't forget you can call, leave a voicemail at 250-8800 or email like these folks have done, apd podcastfeedback at AshevilleNC.gov.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_04: This one comes from Jeff Bridgers in Asheville.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_04: I have a question for Chief Lamb.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_04: If someone was arrested for something stupid back in college, like say stealing a laptop, could they still be a police officer asking for a friend?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_04: No, seriously, I'm really asking for a friend.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_04: Wink wink nod nod.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if he's serious or really is asking for a friend.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's a good question.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: It is, it really is.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: And thank you for the question.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, and yes, but it depends.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of it depends on how long ago it happened.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like if it happened last month, then probably not.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_03: But if it happened years ago when a friend was in college and it was a misdemeanor, so if it was a misdemeanor larceny case, then yes, there's still a possibility that they can apply and still be selected as a police officer, you know.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: But then if they were if it was a felony and they were convicted of a felony, of course, convicted felons are not allowed to possess firearms or hold firearms or anything like that.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: So you know, if someone is is convicted of a a felony, then uh they're not allowed to possess weapons, hold weapons, and they they can't be a police officer.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um but if it was a a minor offense that happened years ago and nothing's happened since then, and they um sh can show and demonstrate that they're a person of good moral character, then um then yeah, yeah, they can still come on with the police department.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_03: And and I liked your reference.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_03: You know, if they uh if they were like Jean Beljean and stole a piece of bread, then of course we'll we will still have them on.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_04: Now's a good time to give a plug, actually, as we are about to kick off our next police academy.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_04: I believe uh that starts in July, I think.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_03: It does.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: So we have uh thankfully we have our current academy, which is three times larger than any academy that we've had in the last five plus years.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: And uh looks like the next academy is shaping up to be that size.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: And so we I think we're we've turned the corner to where we're really uh the agencies are such a place where people want to come join.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: They want to be part of a family environment, and they want to do something that serves their community.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, our best recruiters are You out there that's listening, if you know anyone that you think would make a great police officer at the Asheville Police Department, encourage them to put in an application.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: You can go to joinashevillePD.com and look at our website there, whatever your search engine is, just look up uh join the Asheville Police Department, and it has an answer to all your questions there as far as pay, benefits.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um one of the uh biggest things our agency has, and I think it's the plus to an agency our size, is that we're small enough to where we know each other's names and we're a family.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_03: However, you can also we're also big enough to where you can be part of a patrol, then the traffic unit, then our drug unit, then detectives, then our housing unit, then uh downtown unit.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um so there's a lot of different movement possibilities and also possibilities for advancement within the department.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: So small enough to where a family environment, but large enough to where we have enough specialty teams that if you get bored with one thing, you can move to another.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_04: You know, and as we continue to grow, and I'm sensing this momentum with these larger classes, we're able to bring back some of those things, those specialty areas that basically had to be discontinued, the traffic division, things along those lines.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_04: So there's even more things to choose from, more areas to specialize in.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_04: I know for a while there we're having classes of three or four or five, and now we're up to twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and that's when we can grow and not just tread water.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_04: So the great question from Jeff Bridgers, who says, stay safe.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_04: And Jeff, go ahead and tell your friend that it depends.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but we're still uh we're willing to listen.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, let's just say that.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, put in the application and we'll we'll contact you from there.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks again to Chief Mike Lamb for joining us for Ask the Chief.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_04: Go ahead and call 250-8800, leave us a voicemail or email apdpodcastfeedback at ashevillenc.gov.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_04: Chief Lamb, thanks again for joining us.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, Rick.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's time for another History Minute with Hannah Silberman as we continue to celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Asheville Police Department.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_04: This one with a rather somber tone to it, a line of duty death.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: So on April 15th, 1972, we lost Officer Alfred Baird.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was the end of his shift at uh nearly 11 p.m.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: So his wife was on her way to pick him up.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: And he was a black officer, so he worked the Eagle Street beat on foot.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: So that's just behind the police station.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_04: Right behind our police station here, yeah.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: As he was walking out of the blue, and for no apparent reason, a man who was later identified as Alvin Ware approached Officer Baird from behind and fired at him with a 22 caliber rifle.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it hit Officer Baird twice in the back, and then as Baird turned around, he was shot three more times, twice in his chest and once in his abdomen, and then he fell to the ground just in the middle of the street.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_04: That's awful.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: A taxi driver was nearby named Edric Gamble.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: He initially said he ran to help Officer Baird, but I think they found out he ran for cover, which is fine.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_04: Sure, he had a guy with a gun firing randomly.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_04: It's accepted.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: But Alvin Ware pulled out a pistol from his pocket, shot the taxi driver twice in the back.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: That sent him careening over a retaining wall.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: He fell ten feet, which probably saved him from being shot further.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then the suspect, Alvin Ware, fled back to his house.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: And he was caught several hours later.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_04: So they he had two guns with him, I guess.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_04: At least that many, because that's what he used.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_04: He had his rifle and then a pistol.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_04: And they found him how much longer?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think an hour and a half later at his house.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: And he had a gun in his hand when they entered his house, but he'd put up no resistance.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know how he was identified?
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_04: Were there witnesses or so people said it was so-and-so, and then they knew where he was, and he was kind of a known suspect for lack of a better term.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm not sure, but they they identified him very quickly and they apprehended him very quickly as well.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: So because Alfred's wife was on her way to pick him up, she arrived only moments after the shooting to find her husband shot in the middle of the street.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: But he was conscious and awake.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: He they rushed him to the hospital, but he passed away at 1 30 a.m.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: the next day.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: So the assistant chief, who was Gene Jarvis at the time, has a quote.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: But it said three of the shots went either through the chambers of his heart or through the aorta.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: Any ordinary man would have been dead in the street, but Bear talked all the way to the hospital and into the operating room until they put him under Yes, sir, he was some kind of man.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_04: So how long was he with the department prior to his death?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: See, he had joined the department in July 1964.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: He was a US Air Force veteran and he served in the Korean War.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: He was a master Freemason and had also served as a sheriff's deputy for two years.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_04: So I imagine there was probably quite the ceremony when he was laid arrest.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was considered one of the largest funerals in Asheville.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, at least for the time, if not through to today, thousands of people came to his services in um April of 1973.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was at the city auditorium, which is now the Thomas Wolf, as part of the Civic Center.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_04: But I see the photo.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: So it was a particularly wounding event for him to have been so randomly and violently killed.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_04: How many line of duty deaths have we had?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_04: Is it is it six?
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_04: Is it I I I I've heard the number said before.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_04: I just don't have it off the top of my head.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there have been seven.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_04: Seven.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_04: So were there any between this death and Officer Bingaman?
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_04: So there really hasn't been too many.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's seven total over the course of one hundred and fifty years at the Asheville Police Department, which is uh what we're kind of commemorating this particular year.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, one is too many, but you know, seven is about every twenty years, I suppose.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_04: Rest in peace, Officer Alfred Baird, killed in the line of duty Sunday, April 16th, 1972.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_04: And that's another History Minute with Hannah Silverman.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_04: Officer Isaiah Seniak joins me from the Community Engagement Division.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_04: As we get into the month of May, you guys are getting busier and busier with the warmer weather.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: So what is going on?
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, first up, coming up on Saturday, the April 26th, we have the Duncan Fundraiser for Special Olympics.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, well, so when you say Dunkin', it's not like a dunk tank.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_04: I'm guessing this is donuts.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: It is donuts.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: It is donuts.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so what you're gonna do is people are gonna go, they're gonna buy one of those little um paper donuts uh for a donation to the Special Olympics, and they get to slap it on the side of a cruiser.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: And the idea is to cover the cruiser in donuts.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: So um that's gonna be from 10 to 1, and uh it's gonna be at the Dunkin' Donuts on Smogey Park Highway.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's right by my house.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'll there by exit 44, right?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: The one right there?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's a busy, a busy location.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, hopefully we'll general generate a lot of revenue for that.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's a great cause.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: A couple athletes there from the Special Olympics as well.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Should be a good time.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_04: Not the only thing we're doing with Special Olympics in the month of May.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_04: That is correct.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_04: No, we've got not one, but two of their big events coming up in May, right?
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: We've got two torch runs, two Special Olympics torch runs.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: The first one is going to be uh May 1st, and that's gonna start at the Chick-fil-A on Hendersonville Road and go to TC Roberts High School.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's gonna be from nine to one.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's gonna be a ton of fun.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: Again, athletes will be out there running.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna be out there running, some of us schlepping.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we'll we'll be we'll be doing it.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then we have another one a week later, May 8th.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: And that one's gonna start at Smokey and the Pig in Fairview, and it goes to AC Reynolds.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: That one's also from nine to one.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'll actually be MCing that one.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so I will not be running in that particular location.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_04: I can't be getting all hot and sweaty and then going up to the booth.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but I'll join you for the first run, and then on the second one, as you guys approach, I'll be I'll be happy to cheer you up.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_04: Good, thank you.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_04: I need that.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_04: Bring it home.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_04: I need that.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm gonna be on a bike.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, regardless if you have a special Olympian in your life, uh, this is something really fun and just encouraging to go out and witness firsthand.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's open to the public.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_04: Both of these events are open to the public.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_04: And if you just want to see the joy on their faces, it's just crazy how excited they get by competing in these events.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: It is a powerful experience.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I've been to a torch run before for Special Olympics, extremely memorable, and you're absolutely right.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the energy is contagious.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you're out there and they are pumped.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: They are absolutely, you know, cloud nine, ready to go.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_04: There is not a frown to be found anywhere around it.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's just it's pure joy, it's what it is.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_04: And to have them get out there and just just to have fun.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_04: And it's not really about winning, finishing first.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's about participating, and and we love supporting it.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, 100%.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Just a couple days after that, or actually the very next day, we have uh Coffee with a Cop.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be on uh May 9th, and that's gonna be at the Ingalls uh at 1141 Tunnel Road.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: So that's the one by the VA hospital?
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and we'd love to see you there.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um those are always great, a really interesting um intersection there between the public and the police department because oftentimes we get people who are just kind of going in there for to get coffee or whatever, and then they have a chance encounter, and that's sometimes some of the more fruitful conversations come out of that interaction.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it's you know very laid back and casual.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes people just have questions or they want to know what's going on.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: It allows us to get a better read on um the community's pulse as far as what issues are you know they have questions on and how we can better serve them.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: You know, sometimes those times that are just impromptu uh are even better than the ones that are at a specific location that people have to come like targeted.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_04: They have to go there specifically.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_04: So at an angles, you could just be you know showing up to get your weekly groceries, not know we're there, and then a spontaneous conversation begins and relationship building too.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the spontaneity of those uh interactions I think is um what really tethers it together, makes it meaningful and productive.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: Uh communication comes out of that.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: What else we got coming up?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um we have a bike safety event that's gonna be at the Target on River Hills Road.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's everybody from toddlers to teens.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: We have uh bike helmets while supplies last that were donated to us by uh various business partners in the community.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's gonna be May 31st from 9 to 12.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: We'll get the speedboard out there.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: We'll have some obstacle courses and just some safety coaching, really prepping the kids for uh, you know, being safe on bicycles in the summer months.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's important uh to get the word out about that, not just how to ride a bike and to wear a helmet, but you know what lane to ride in and things like you know, having the proper uh things affixed to your bike, like the proper reflectors and the lights and all those different things.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so May 31st for that event at Target in River Hills.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: That that event, you know, honestly, great for kids, but also great for adults to brush up on that type of stuff too.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: You sometimes you'll see bicycles and driving against traffic or what or whatnot, you know, and it's it can be a hazard.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: So we want to get that information out to kids young so that we can sort of steep those habits and get them started and get them safe.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_04: Now, something that has uh kind of re-kicked off again with the warmer weather arriving is if you play chess, that has started again, hasn't it?
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_04: Chess with the cop in Pritchard Park.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: Every Wednesday, one to three.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you don't know how to play, I'll teach you how to play.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: I know you're one of the big ones.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_04: It was almost your not idea, but it didn't it start with you and some other officers?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: It did.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh my uh myself and um Lieutenant Hogan, sort of our our our brainchild was the the way to get this game going in a public area where people can just interact and and kind of casually schmooze but over a competitive game that a lot of people know how to play.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: And uh it's it's fun.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, sometimes I get whooped by the you know, people I don't really expect, uh, which is great.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a very even, pure place.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's Quentin.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's every Wednesday.
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  SPEAKER_02: Every Wednesday, Pritchard Park from one to three.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: One to three.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: As long as it's not raining.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: If it's raining, we don't do it because you know it's bad for the chess pieces.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's not good at all.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_04: Bad for morale.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, exactly.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_04: Sitting out there in the rain getting all sopped wet playing chess.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_04: But if it's a nice day, come on out.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_04: We have more of the good ones than the bad ones around here.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_04: And Lord knows we're getting some rain like this week as we're recording this, but it's been like a month since we'd had a drop.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: So Yeah, there's a little period there we could use the rain.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we could.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_04: So but if it's dry and it's Wednesday and it's one o'clock to three o'clock, coming out to Pritchard Park and maybe you can school Isaiah Seniak.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_04: Do you have a favorite move?
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: Is it do you have a favorite uh is there like a if if I'm if I'm black, I really like the Sicilian.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the Sicilian opening is probably my my favorite.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: My favorite piece is is the night, kind of sneaky, you know, moves moves all over.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: People don't expect it.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: They're sleepers.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the way people play chess is it's interesting because you can their personality kind of comes out, and that's what I really love about it, is you get like you get to really see who the person is, and it's the same for me.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: People become very transparent, and I become transparent uh with them, and that's sort of the the basis for the whole thing, and the impetus behind it is just relationship building.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_04: So when I think a Sicilian, I hearken back to the movie The Princess Bride.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_04: You never bet with uh the Sicilian when death is on the when death is on the second that and there's a pizza.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_04: There's a Sicilian pizza, I think.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_04: Delicious.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_04: So I I do not know the chess move.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe you can teach us something.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_04: I'll teach it.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_04: All right, Isaiah Seniak, thanks for joining us.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for example.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_04: Looking forward to see you guys out and about.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_04: Of course, you can always look on our Facebook page.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_04: We post just about everything we're doing there.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_04: We hope you join us for something or everything.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_04: That's it for episode 18 of the APD Pod Squad.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for listening, and thank you to our guests, Captain Janice Hawkins, Hannah Silberman, Senior Police Officer Isaiah Seniak, and Police Chief Mike Lamb.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_04: Don't forget, if you've got a question for Chief Lamb, ask the Chief by calling 250-8800 and leaving a voicemail.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_04: That is 828-250-8800.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_04: Or you can email APD Podcastfeedback at AshevilleNC.gov.
• 36:07
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• 36:12
  SPEAKER_04: I'm Rick Rice, and this is the APD Pod Squad.