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Jules Neale’s Iconic Response to ‘Unimaginable Betrayal’ · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Sam Guggenheimer
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: and Izzy Armitage trade social media blows after confirming their
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  Speaker 1: friendship is over. Matt Zukowski gets honest about how he
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  Speaker 1: felt about Tammy's fling.
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  Speaker 2: With Bailey Smith.
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  Speaker 1: Jules Neal's iconic online moves following her public marriage breakdown
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  Speaker 1: and Sophie Keisha changes her daughter's name again.
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  Speaker 3: But first, Sky.
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  Speaker 1: Wheatley has officially reconciled with her baby daddy, Lockie Waugh.
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  Speaker 1: The former Big Brother contestant announced their split during an
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  Speaker 1: Instagram Live in October. However, a couple of weeks later,
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  Speaker 1: she backtracked, describing the situation as relationship limbo. Since then, Kate,
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  Speaker 1: everyone has been hoping the couple would reunite.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I was so excited when I saw Sky's post
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  Speaker 4: go up. So She broke the news in an Instagram
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  Speaker 4: reel where she and Lockie cuddled and flirted on a
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  Speaker 4: yacht and she captioned the video, life's good when you.
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  Speaker 1: Break up, get back together, break up, get back together.
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  Speaker 1: I just love the fact that she doesn't mind taking
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  Speaker 1: the piss out of herself. She's always been.
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  Speaker 4: Really transparent with her audience about her relationship with Lockie
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  Speaker 4: and I think that that is why they are such
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  Speaker 4: a beloved couple. Everyone can almost see themselves in them
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  Speaker 4: because I think they are one of the only Aussie
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  Speaker 4: influencer couples to actually air their dirty laundry and film
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  Speaker 4: their fights. I mean, I think it's fair to say
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  Speaker 4: also that the relationship has been pretty turbulent from the get-go.
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  Speaker 4: So for those who don't know, they met on Tinder
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  Speaker 4: and were only dating for a couple of months when
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  Speaker 4: Sky fell pregnant with their first child, Forrest. To their credit, though,
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  Speaker 4: they have really fought for this relationship over the last
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  Speaker 4: eight years. This time, though, I was a little bit
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  Speaker 4: nervous when I heard Sky talk about it on her
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  Speaker 4: podcast back in December because She said it was the
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  Speaker 4: longest time that they've been separated. And she said that
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  Speaker 4: they normally have little breaks here and there, but get
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  Speaker 4: back together not long after. So it seemed like this
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  Speaker 4: break was a little bit different. The reality is, though,
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  Speaker 4: I actually can't imagine these two with anybody else.
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  Speaker 3: They seem quite well suited despite their arguments.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it would be pretty hard if one
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  Speaker 4: of them actually wanted to move on after this breakup
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  Speaker 4: because it was a very unorthodox breakup. They were still
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  Speaker 4: living together and renovating their home and co-parenting. So it's
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  Speaker 4: not like you'd be like, oh, I'm just going out
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  Speaker 4: on a date.
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  Speaker 1: I think the reason, Amy, that you can't imagine them
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  Speaker 1: with anyone else is because they both just sort of
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  Speaker 1: seem like, I hate the word bonkers, but they both
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  Speaker 1: just seem a bit off the planet, but they get
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  Speaker 1: each other.
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  Speaker 2: Like they have a similar sense of humor. They're quirky.
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  Speaker 2: They're funny. Maybe they're too similar though. Maybe that's why
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  Speaker 2: they fight all the time.
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  Speaker 4: And as we said, when there were breakup rumors swirling,
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  Speaker 4: they are renovating a house and have two young children together.
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  Speaker 4: It's understandable that they're fighting. Perhaps they've gone, you know what?
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  Speaker 4: We're under a lot of stress at the moment. Let's
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  Speaker 4: just Work it out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the reason I think that they have actually
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  Speaker 1: stayed together is because of those two things binding them together,
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  Speaker 1: the very expensive mansion which they have been renovating for
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  Speaker 1: eight years and their two children. I think they've said, look,
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  Speaker 1: we've got too much to lose. Let's just give this
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  Speaker 1: another go once things have quietened down.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, this news was very much celebrated in the
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  Speaker 4: influencer community. So at the time of recording, the reel
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  Speaker 4: has been viewed over 650,000 times and the Blue Tick
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  Speaker 4: Brigade were out in full force to approve the reunion.
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  Speaker 4: Sarah's Day wrote, so proud of you guys. I didn't
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  Speaker 4: even know that Sarah's Day knew who Sky Wheatley was.
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  Speaker 4: I'm guessing she was a Big Brother fan from back
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  Speaker 4: in the day. Khan Ong also commented saying, I love
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  Speaker 4: this for mum and dad. And Emily Hembrough added, yay,
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  Speaker 4: love you too. Look, the world is healing.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that Lockie and Sky are back together, I
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  Speaker 1: feel right about things now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I want to put it out there. In
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  Speaker 4: our predictions episode, I said that I think they may
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  Speaker 4: actually get engaged this year after reuniting.
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  Speaker 3: Could be on the cards.
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  Speaker 4: Jules Neill has been dubbed the people's princess in the
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  Speaker 4: wake of her very public marriage breakdown to Brisbane Lions
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  Speaker 4: player Lockie Neill. The mum of two who says she
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  Speaker 4: faced unimaginable betrayal at the hands of her husband and
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  Speaker 4: best friend has won the support of the entire nation
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  Speaker 4: with her latest online moves labelled as iconic. We have
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  Speaker 4: had so many listeners sliding into our DMs asking us
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  Speaker 4: when we are going to speak about this story and
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  Speaker 4: I think the reason that this story has captivated so many.
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  Speaker 1: People is probably because it has all of the right
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  Speaker 1: ingredients for the perfect scandal. You've got the AFL star,
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  Speaker 1: you've got the stunning mum with the very aesthetic Instagram feed,
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  Speaker 1: and then you've got the hot brunette who people.
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  Speaker 2: Say has Angelina Jolie, other woman vibes.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this story just caught us at a
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  Speaker 1: bad time because we were doing all of our end
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  Speaker 1: of year wrap-up stories. but now feels like the right
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  Speaker 1: time to talk about it because thankfully Jules has pulled
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  Speaker 1: out some pretty iconic Taylor Swift coded behavior this.
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  Speaker 2: Week and we have a lot of new angles to dissect.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we should get listeners up to speed
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  Speaker 4: with the main players involved. So let's kick things off
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  Speaker 4: with Lockie Neal. So he is an AFL player who
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  Speaker 4: up until very recently was the co-captain of the Brisbane Lions.
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  Speaker 4: So He's a very well-known player. He led the Lions
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  Speaker 4: to a premiership win last year and is a dual
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  Speaker 4: Brownlow medalist. I remember seeing Jules and Lockie on the
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  Speaker 4: red carpet and they just look like the perfect couple.
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  Speaker 4: So I think this is why it has shocked so
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  Speaker 4: many people, particularly because he also seemed to be batting
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  Speaker 4: out of his league with her.
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  Speaker 3: It's always the way though, isn't it?
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  Speaker 4: Like the men that are doing so well for themselves,
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  Speaker 4: for some reason, they have a wandering eye.
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  Speaker 1: It's because they get such an inflated ego because they
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  Speaker 1: look at who they're with and think, well, I must
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  Speaker 1: be pretty good if I got her. On the topic
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  Speaker 1: of that, then there is his wife, Jules Neal. She
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  Speaker 1: is a hairstylist and former salon owner. And she has
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  Speaker 1: a very large social media following. Ironically, she has more
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  Speaker 1: followers than her husband. So she has 127,000 followers, while
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  Speaker 1: Lockie has 99,000. I'm guessing her following has gone up.
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  Speaker 1: quite a few thousand since this story broke.
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  Speaker 4: I literally followed her as soon as this scandal broke.
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  Speaker 4: I want to know other listeners who did the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: Sophie followed her more quickly than she followed Saffron Barker's
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  Speaker 4: new boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: I was pretty quick to that one.
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  Speaker 1: Now, it's quite a sad story because Lockie and Jules,
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  Speaker 1: they have been together since they were teenagers. So they
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  Speaker 1: first met when Lockie was a rookie for Fremantle and
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  Speaker 1: they got married in 2018 right as Lockie was traded
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  Speaker 1: to the Brisbane Lions and They also have two very
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  Speaker 1: young children together. So a little girl called Piper, who
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  Speaker 1: is only four years old, and a son, Freddie, who
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  Speaker 1: just turned one.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's Tess Crosley.
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  Speaker 4: So she is Jules' longtime best friend. She's a bit
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  Speaker 4: of a micro-influencer herself, an entrepreneur and a former Mormon missionary,
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  Speaker 4: which I feel like adds a lot to this story.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe she's trying to get a gig or a spin-off
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  Speaker 4: series of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives because.
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  Speaker 3: This is unreal.
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  Speaker 2: I would watch that, definitely.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's something there, either that or Real Housewives of
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  Speaker 4: Brisbane or something like that. Now, It's pretty sad because
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  Speaker 4: these besties were permanent fixtures on one another's social media accounts.
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  Speaker 4: They posted together at a lot of glamorous events and
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  Speaker 4: they even hosted a podcast together called Backstage where they
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  Speaker 4: spoke about fashion and Jules' life in the spotlight. We're
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  Speaker 4: going to touch on this more later in the show.
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  Speaker 4: Don't you feel like a best friend duo on a
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  Speaker 4: podcast is literally the kiss of death to that friendship?
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  Speaker 4: Like so many influencer friendships have broken up over podcasts.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's lucky that we're sisters and maybe that
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  Speaker 4: there's three of us because I think that this podcast
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  Speaker 4: would have been dead in the ground first year up
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  Speaker 4: with the amount of arguments that we've had over it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, based on some of the arguments we've had
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  Speaker 4: over these microphones that haven't aired on the podcast, we
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  Speaker 4: probably shouldn't be friends.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe if we had more respect for ourselves, we wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be friends anymore.
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  Speaker 4: No, that's just being sisters.
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  Speaker 1: Who else is really keen to go and have a
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  Speaker 1: listen to Backstage Now, the podcast? Because I feel like
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  Speaker 1: the Daily Mail for sure would have a journo assigned
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  Speaker 1: to trawl through that to see if there's any little
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  Speaker 1: tidbits on there, anything titillating where the husband's referred to.
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  Speaker 4: Well, podcasts now have that thing where AI generates this
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  Speaker 4: automatic transcript. So I can just imagine the Daily Mail
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  Speaker 4: journalist typing in keywords like, Lockie and husband and seeing
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  Speaker 4: what comes up.
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  Speaker 3: You're giving them ideas now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like a few of them listen to
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  Speaker 1: this podcast. So yeah, there's a bit of a heads
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  Speaker 1: up for you. It's quite scandalous because it's being reported
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  Speaker 1: that Tess and her husband, Ben, live in the same
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  Speaker 1: suburb as the Neils.
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  Speaker 2: Some publications have even gone as far as calling them neighbours.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I suppose we would see this type of drama
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  Speaker 4: on Ramsey Street, wouldn't we?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: And when you have a look at their social media followings,
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  Speaker 1: it's quite clear that the two family's accounts were very intertwined.
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  Speaker 1: There were lots of posts about joint holidays and parties
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  Speaker 1: and dinners out. It's quite interesting because when you reflect
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  Speaker 1: on double dates that you've gone on with your partner,
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  Speaker 1: you always put your best foot forward, don't you? When
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  Speaker 1: there's other people around. And I wonder if that's what's
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  Speaker 1: happened in this situation where they've gone on these double
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  Speaker 1: dates and Lockie seemed like this really great guy who's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, supportive and fun.
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  Speaker 4: But surely if they're best friends, she would have heard
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  Speaker 4: the bad sides of him as well.
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  Speaker 3: Like you go and have a bitch to your best friend.
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  Speaker 4: But in saying that, I feel like this dynamic happens
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  Speaker 4: a lot. Like you always hear, oh, this person is
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  Speaker 4: cheating and it's often with the best friend. So maybe
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  Speaker 4: in this scenario, the best friend is using some of
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  Speaker 4: that information to her advantage. I have literally heard a
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  Speaker 4: similar story this week from my husband and it is
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  Speaker 4: not one of his friends. I won't disclose how we
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  Speaker 4: know the people because it will be quite obvious who
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  Speaker 4: it is. But a similar situation happened where this couple
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  Speaker 4: were hanging out on holidays with another couple and they
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  Speaker 4: did a bit of a partner swap, two of them.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what happens on holidays though when people get
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  Speaker 1: in bathers and stuff? Like just everything kind of turns
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  Speaker 1: a bit inappropriate?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It's always these like tropical holidays where something goes down.
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  Speaker 2: Like someone's putting some cream on someone's back.
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  Speaker 4: Talking about awkward, one photo that has been splashed around
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  Speaker 4: in the press is this picture of Tess and her
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  Speaker 4: husband hanging posing alongside Lockie and Jules at the Lions
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  Speaker 4: grand final win. So in the photo, Tess is standing
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  Speaker 4: very close to Lockie. It almost looks like she's kind
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  Speaker 4: of cuddled up to him. And when you look very closely,
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  Speaker 4: her knee is resting on his leg and her husband
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  Speaker 4: is standing on the other side of Lockie. next to Jules.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like they're a couple.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah if you were an outsider looking at this photo
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  Speaker 1: you would assume that Tess and Lockie were together and
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  Speaker 1: Ben and Jules were together.
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  Speaker 2: It looked very odd how they weren't standing with their partner.
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  Speaker 4: Those photos made me so mad because The fact that
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  Speaker 4: they were willing to pose like that in plain sight,
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  Speaker 4: it was just such an F you to both of
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  Speaker 4: their partners.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to get into the fallout. So in December,
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  Speaker 1: rumours of a marriage breakdown started to emerge when Jules
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  Speaker 1: unfollowed Lockie and started removing photos of him from her account.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's always a bit of a giveaway. And
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  Speaker 1: he was also nowhere to be seen when she posted
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  Speaker 1: about their son Freddie's first birthday. Reports then started to
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  Speaker 1: emerge that the couple were working through their issues and
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  Speaker 1: But Jules immediately reclaimed the narrative for herself. So she
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  Speaker 1: said that this was not the case at all. In
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  Speaker 1: an Instagram story, she wrote, I want to make it
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  Speaker 1: very clear that I am not working through anything. I
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  Speaker 1: have been betrayed in the most unimaginable way. All I
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  Speaker 1: can do now is try to heal and do what's
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  Speaker 1: best for my children. Thank you for the love and support.
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  Speaker 4: Social media has really changed the game because in the past,
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  Speaker 4: when AFL players used to cheat on their partners, You'd
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  Speaker 4: only hear from the club and it was this media statement.
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  Speaker 4: You know, think about Wayne Carey when he cheated with
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  Speaker 4: his teammate's wife. However, now the wives can actually get
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  Speaker 4: on their social media and say, no, no, no, this
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  Speaker 4: is not correct. This is my point of view. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that's why they're getting so much more support
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  Speaker 4: than they did back in the day.
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  Speaker 3: I think it also helps that she has so many followers.
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  Speaker 4: Like the fact, as Sophie mentioned, that she has more
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  Speaker 4: followers than her husband and She has a lot of
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  Speaker 4: power in this situation. It's quite clear that she also
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  Speaker 4: wanted people to dig a little bit deeper and find
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  Speaker 4: out the real reason that they were breaking up. I
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  Speaker 4: think she also wanted to make it clear that she
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  Speaker 4: wasn't being walked all over. She wasn't just working through things.
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  Speaker 2: She was out the door.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it wasn't long before Super Sleuths noticed that
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  Speaker 4: Jules had unfollowed Tess on Instagram and photos of the
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  Speaker 4: best friends together had disappeared from her feed. In a
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  Speaker 4: now-deleted comment, Jules wrote under the grand final photos, Take
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  Speaker 4: these down, you idiot.
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  Speaker 2: You're embarrassing yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I respect that so much. That is something that I
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  Speaker 1: would do. Get real petty and just start blowing your
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  Speaker 1: lid about this shit. Like I actually think she was
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  Speaker 1: quite reframed. I would have said much worse.
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  Speaker 4: I loved the term idiot because it actually describes her
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  Speaker 4: so perfectly. I'm disappointed though that the comment has been
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  Speaker 4: removed because I would have liked to have gone and
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  Speaker 4: liked it. And I also would have liked to have
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  Speaker 4: seen how many other people liked this comment. Oh, it
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  Speaker 4: would have got thousands of likes. It's funny because when
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  Speaker 4: I first heard that she was deleting photos of her
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  Speaker 4: and Tess together, I was like, oh, you know, it
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  Speaker 4: must have been because she was so mad. But then
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  Speaker 4: the fact that she commented asking Tess to take the
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  Speaker 4: photo down, I wonder if it was a bit of
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  Speaker 4: damage control because she would have known this photo would
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  Speaker 4: do the absolute rounds in the media. Maybe she's trying
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  Speaker 4: to protect her kids from seeing the photo.
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  Speaker 1: You can see why she was so furious and left
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  Speaker 1: a comment because it's believed that Jules found out about
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  Speaker 1: this alleged affair through a teammate's wife who allegedly caught
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  Speaker 1: Lockie and Tess in a compromising position in a car.
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  Speaker 4: It's pretty incredible that the partner of one of his
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  Speaker 4: teammates actually came out and told Jules because I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: a lot of this goes on behind closed doors and
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  Speaker 4: a lot of teammates would be like, do not say anything.
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  Speaker 4: This is going to have massive ramifications for the Brisbane Lions,
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  Speaker 4: which it has.
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  Speaker 1: Particularly because Lockie was one of the co-captains as well.
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  Speaker 4: He obviously had a lot of power at the club. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 4: he's actually had to step down as co-captain. He fronted
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  Speaker 4: the press in January to confirm the separation and he
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  Speaker 4: ended up apologising for letting his family down. To me,
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  Speaker 4: watching this press conference, it felt like the Brisbane Lions
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  Speaker 4: didn't back him because he wasn't wearing team gear. He
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  Speaker 4: was just wearing a white T-shirt with ORTC. I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: they were not pleased that he was repping them at
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  Speaker 4: that point. It was very reminiscent of Wayne Carey's media
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  Speaker 4: conference where he admitted to having an affair with his
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  Speaker 4: teammate's wife. He was wrapping a white shirt. Maybe this
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  Speaker 4: is the uniform now for the cheaters in the AFL. Well,
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  Speaker 4: he ended up having to leave North Melbourne to go
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  Speaker 4: to the Crows. So I would not be surprised if
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  Speaker 4: Lockie Neal isn't playing for Brisbane. But the difference in
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  Speaker 4: this is that it was actually a teammate's wife. So
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  Speaker 4: there was a lot of division caused within the club.
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  Speaker 1: As well as Brisbane not wanting him to wear their merchandise,
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  Speaker 1: I also think that the sponsors wouldn't have wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be associated with this scandal as well. Because He has
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  Speaker 1: been painted as this absolute dirty dog and everyone has
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  Speaker 1: been siding with Jules. Well, it's a clear move to say,
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  Speaker 1: this is something I did in my personal life. This
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  Speaker 1: is not associated with the club. I think the thing
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  Speaker 1: that's been really different about this story is in the past,
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  Speaker 1: women would have just hidden from the public eye and
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  Speaker 1: they would have felt a lot of shame when in reality,
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  Speaker 1: of course.
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  Speaker 2: They shouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: But Jules has tried to reclaim the narrative. And I
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  Speaker 1: am living for her pot shots, which she has been
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  Speaker 1: firing out. Now, the first came last week in the
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  Speaker 1: form of a photo dump on Instagram. So she shared
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: some poolside snaps of her in Perth. Looking, side note,
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: incredible in this blue polka dot bikini and a cowboy hat.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, lucky. What a fucking idiot for fumbling Jules.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: She is so good looking. I mean, I'm sure she's
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: a wonderful person as well. I'm just being totally shallow here.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen all the TikToks that are like, how
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: did he fumble this?
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Like basically he is absolutely bashing out of his league.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: The thing that everyone is talking about with this photo
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: dump is the iconic song that she had as the
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: backing track. So it was Taylor Swift's Father Figure song.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: I'm probably not going to do it justice, but I'm
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: going to read out the bridge that she included in
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: this photo dump because it actually gave me goosebumps. I
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: know I'm pathetic, but this is what it said. She included,
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: you want to fight? You found it. I got the
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: place surrounded.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: You'll be sleeping with the fishes before you know you're drowning.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Whose portrait's on the mantle? Who covered up your scandals?
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Mistake my kindness for weakness and find your card cancelled.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: I was your father figure. You pulled the wrong trigger.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: This empire belongs to me. Leave it with me.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: I'm disappointed that she didn't include the line about her
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: dick being bigger than the devil.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Do you know what?
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: I'm disappointed because now that you've read out the lyrics,
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: I thought it said fishies instead of fishes.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: Really? Yeah.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I thought it was like, you'll be sleeping with the fishies.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, gosh, okay. Why is my face red?
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: She did such a good job though, because does that?
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: bridge not perfectly sum up what's happened.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: It's such a fuck you. It's saying that you've messed
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: up big time and everyone's on my side.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: Well, the comment section truly revealed where the AFL's inner
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: circle stand in this scandal. Jacinta Franklin, who is married
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: to Hawthorne player Buddy Franklin, wrote, bow down with a
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: crown and queen emoji. There was also a bunch of
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: other wives and girlfriends of AFL players who showed their
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: support on the post, which I loved. This song choice
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: also didn't go unnoticed on TikTok. There have been so
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: many creators praising Jules for this iconic move. One video,
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: which has attracted over 255,000 views, shows a creator called
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Caitlin and literally bowing down at Jules and giving her
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: a round of applause. And she captioned it, all hails
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Jules Neal for this incredible song choice. In the comment section,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: one user wrote, can we make her like really famous?
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: While another said she really is the people's princess.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Protect her at all costs.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Well, the newspapers are trying to make her famous. She
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: was front page the other day for going to the
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Australian Open.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Well, it probably helps that she has also signed with
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: a talent agency called One Daydream. They are probably one
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: of the top talent agencies in Australia and they described
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: her as a strong presence across beauty, fashion and lifestyle.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: The digs also continued on TikTok when Jules shared video
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: of a night in that she had with friends. So
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: she and her friends made mood boards for the year
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and Jules has featured a quote that said, I'm stepping
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: into the most successful decade of my life.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: She also shared this TikTok where she was sipping a
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: glass of wine in the sun at this beautiful winery
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: and she captioned it, I don't understand how they could
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: do that, dot, dot, dot, exactly. What a blessing not to.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: And the TikTok was set to the Olivia Deen song
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: Lady Lady, which had very pointed lyrics that said, that lady.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Lady, she's the man.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: I love that the social media pettiness has moved on
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: from sharing song lyrics or quotes to this type of content.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: This is the type of content I live for.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: It got a huge response on TikTok, as expected.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: It got over 800,000 views.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: One user wrote, I've never seen a woman act with
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: such certainty after being betrayed. Left in, packed up and moved,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: selling the house. I think it's actually inspiring for a
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: lot of women who feel trapped in these situations. I'm
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: sorry you had to go through this, but know so
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: many of us are cheering you on, queen. Now that
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: comment got over 5,000 likes. Abby Chatfield also weighed in.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: She wrote, exactly queen. Whilst Michelle Andrews wrote, we love Jules.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So I really wouldn't be surprised.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: If we saw Jules Neal popping up on the Inherited
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: podcast sometime soon.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: That would be great. I would actually really love to
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: hear that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Bella Messina also wrote, as someone who has publicly gone
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: through a very similar thing, you are my icon. I
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: like that she took it as an opportunity to take
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: a pot shot at her ex-husband as well. There's pot
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: shots left, right, and center in this. Now, Jules did
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: make headlines again this.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Week when she gave a brief interview to the Herald
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Sun upon touching down in Melbourne for the Aussie Open.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: She told the reporter that she was excited to be
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: back in Melbourne to experience VIP courtside seats at the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: men's singles quarterfinals with a sponsor. She said, this is
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: my first Australian Open and I'm loving Melbourne's vibe in January.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be here. She continued saying, yes,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the last few months have been a lot, but being
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: back in Perth with family has really helped me reset
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: for 2026. She even provided a subtle dig at her
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: husband saying, Gabby and I are sitting on Centre Court
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: tonight watching and honestly, I'm loving being back in Melbourne
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and watching another sport.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: She also shared some snaps to her Instagram writing, girls
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: just want to have fun at the AO.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I think she's also subtly sharing photos. with a lot
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: of her other friends to be like, I'm the girl's girl.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: In this situation.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I do wonder if Jules has taken some inspiration from
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: how Nadia Bartel dealt with the whole Jimmy Bartel cheating scandal,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: because when that happened to Nadia, instead of pulling back
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: from public life, she really managed to propel her business
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Henny forward and win a lot of public support. I mean,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: that year that the cheating scandal came out, we even
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: saw her hosting the.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Red carpet at the Brownlow. So it showed that there
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: were a lot of people in the AFL world who
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: were on her side.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: And I feel like Jules has thought, fuck that.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do the same thing as Nadia.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I'm going to capitalize on this viral support that I'm
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: receiving and I'm going to make lemonade from lemons.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: And I think the.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Reason that so many people are getting behind Jules is
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: is that this really is the ultimate betrayal. It's not
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: just her husband that has cheated on her. I think
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: a lot of people are saying, like, what the fuck?
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: How could your best friend treat you like that? It's
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: almost as if we expect an AFL player like Lockie
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Neal to be a dirtbag, but you don't expect your
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: best friend to do it to you. My only fear
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: for Jules is once the media are done with their
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: story of her betrayal and pumping her up, there probably
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: is going to be a narrative switch where they start saying, oh, well,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: why is she still.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Using her ex-husband's last name? She's trying to write off
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: his coattails, similar to what happened to Nadia for a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: short space of time. But in this case, this is
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a woman who has two young children. She is now
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: looking to have to support those children and find a
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: career for herself. And she wants to do so in
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the public eye through social media because it is a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: career that means a lot.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Of women can be home with their children.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I really hope that doesn't happen.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: But as you said, Soph, when the media realizes that
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: a personality is going to get them clicks, they're going
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: to continue to write about that person and make up
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: a whole load of shit. Like all it will take
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: is one negative comment on TikTok and they'll probably turn
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: it into some kind.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Of story with a new angle.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Matt Zukowski has finally revealed how he really felt about
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: his ex-wife Tammy Hembrough moving on so quickly after with
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Geelong footballer Bailey Smith. Just months after the couple confirmed
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: their divorce, Tammy made headlines after she was papped with
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: the AFL star. Now, speaking on the Kyle and Jackie
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: O show, Matt said this.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: I don't think jealousy is the right word. I mean,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: I openly said that I was a bit like, oh, wow, because, yeah,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: it was quite soon after and I was doing my
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: own healing process and I saw that and I was like, oof.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: I was like, okay, yeah. Triggering.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Is what I would say.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: You never hooked up with anyone after the... You never.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Or maybe not publicly. You didn't flout it. You didn't
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: flout it around.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: No one likes to see the person they used to
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: love and married hooking up with someone else. That's a
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: knife to anyone's chest, man.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: This is why Kyle and Jackie O earned so much money.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: They did such a good job at buttering Matt up
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: and making him feel comfortable. I mean, Kyle even chucked
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: in this question, oh, have you hooked up with anyone else?
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, Matt was smart enough not to answer that.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: But the fact that they managed to get that grab
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: out of him saying it was a knife to his chest.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, as soon as I heard that, I was like,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: that is a headline waiting to happen. And of course,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: the media ran with it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Well, it ended up being the title of the podcast
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that Kyle and Jackie O dropped that day as well.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Well, the interview initially didn't get off to a good
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: start when Kyle referred to Matt Zukowski by the wrong
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: last name.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: It was rather awkward.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he called him Matt Zawowski. It sounded like that
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: cartoon character Mike Wachowski. which a number of people have
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: been referring to Matt as.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: The funniest thing was Matt didn't realise they were live
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: and he's like, oh, it's actually Zukowski.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: And they're like, oh, shit, are we on?
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: When I heard him say that, I was like, shit,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: have we been mispronouncing his name.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: For the last three years? Yeah, he was over-emphasising.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: I think he was trying to over-emphasise it because he
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: didn't think he was on air yet.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: It was awkward though because you could tell Kyle was like, fuck,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: because as you said, Kate, he was trying to butter
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: him up during that interview and it was a good
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: segue because he was.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Like, look, Matt, I know that you're a big deal
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: in the influencer world.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I don't have social media, but I've seen the headlines
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: and obviously you were married to Tammy Hembrough. And as
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: you say, Kate, that is where he started to be
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: very sympathetic and he was like, you know, Jackie and
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: I have been divorced before and I really admire the
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: way that you and Tammy have been so respectful of
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: each other.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: And you could tell Matt was probably.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: Like, wow.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: This guy gets it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Particularly because Matt has his own podcast. You can tell
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: that he would love to be on radio. And I
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: think he thought it was kind of his big break
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: to impress Kyle and Jackie O. At one stage, I
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: thought that maybe Matt was hitting on Jackie O because
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: he kept referencing her a lot by name and he
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: seemed to try and sympathize with her.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: And if you think about it, she would be right
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: up his alley. She's got a profile. She's blonde.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: He went for Kira Maguire before and Tammy Hembrough.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Well, he seems to be her type as well because-
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: She has gone for some younger guys. She's known as
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: being a bit of a cougar these days. I actually
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: didn't pick up on any flirting at all, though.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: I more got the vibe that he was quite starstruck
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: by them. It is pretty ironic that he made this
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: omission about Bailey Smith on their show, considering it was
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Kyle who was the one that got the scoop that
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Bailey wasn't taking.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Tammy to the Brownlow convention.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: It was that iconic interview where he friendzoned her that
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Tinder has just been running with for the last couple
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: of weeks. Well, Kyle also managed to get a new
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: nugget of information we didn't know about their relationship. He
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: asked Matt if he was still in contact with Tammy
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: and Matt admitted that he hasn't spoken to Tammy since
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: they announced their separation in June. See, I feel like
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Tammy was trying to give Matt a bit of a
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: message in her most recent TikTok get ready with me
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: because she was going through the jewelry she was wearing
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: and And Matt has spoken about how they both used
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: to wear this Sarah and Sebastian bracelet with each other's
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: initial on it. And he said that he realized things
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: were definitely over with Tammy when he spotted she wasn't
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: wearing hers anymore. And then we spoke about it at
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Christmas time. He ended up going into Sarah and Sebastian
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: and getting his T removed off his and he got
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: his own initial on it. And he said that he
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: broke down in the store. But then Tammy said that
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: she still actually wears hers, but she just tells herself
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: it's a W rather than an M.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Look, she's rich enough to go and get a new one.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Just go and get an actual W and cut that
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: thing off your wrist.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: You don't need it anymore.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Sophie Keisha has soft launched a new name for her
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: youngest daughter. Ahead of her first birthday, the pajama mogul
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: casually dropped that her daughter Esme has a new surname.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Sophie, can you tell us more? Yeah, well, Sophie isn't.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Really a stranger to changing her children's name. She famously
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: legally changed her first daughter's name from Betty to Florence,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and that was a couple of weeks after she was
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: born back in 2017. It generated a lot of headlines
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: at the time.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be too unhappy with that name change. Florence
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: is such a popular name now. Yeah, and the name
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Betty kind of has old lady vibes. No offence to
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: any Bettys who are listening or anyone who's named their
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: child Betty. So traditionally did Florence. Like it's one of
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: those names that's been revived.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Well, it's quite ironic because Sophie Keisha's Florence was quite
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: sad that she wasn't called Betty after Taylor Swift.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Released the song Betty. She's like, hey, mom, that would
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: have been way cooler.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Well, this case is a little bit different because it's
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: not Esme's first name that's being changed. It's actually her
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: last name. And this is to include Sophie's partner, Maddie Prespakis'
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: surname in it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she subtly dropped the news on her Instagram when
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: she uploaded a photo of her baby daughter with the caption,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: smile if you turn one next week, Esme Prespakis Shaw.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: It blows my mind that Esme is almost a year old. Like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: it seemed like only yesterday that we were talking about
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: her gender reveal.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: It really goes to show a lot can change in
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: a year because it was only this time last year
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: that Sophie and Maddie did a Q & A just
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: before Esme was born where they spoke about what Maddie's
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: role would be with the baby and So for some background,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Sophie made the decision to have a baby on her
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: own via a sperm donor. She was dating Maddie at
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: the time, but she didn't want to pressure the then
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: 24-year-old into taking on such a big responsibility.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: There is a 10-year age gap between Sophie and Maddie,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: which I think also played into it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: They were very freshly dating as well.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Sophie also has two older children with her ex-husband, Jared Kasher,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: who Maddie seems to have a great relationship with.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So in this Q & A from last year,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Sophie spoke about how she would be raising the baby
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: on her own and Maddie wouldn't be taking on a
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: parenting role. She also said that Maddie wouldn't be called
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: mum and she would just be referred to as Mads.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: And it's really beautiful because this has actually all changed.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: So in August last year, Maddie did an interview with
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: AFL.com.au where she opened up about her involvement in Esme's life.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: So she referred to herself as the baby's bonus mum.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: and said while it was ultimately up to Esme to
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: decide on what she was called, she did confess it
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: probably will be mum.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I have a really soft spot for Maddie. She seems
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: like a really grounded, lovely person. In this interview, she
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: was gushing about how much Esme had changed her life
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and how Sophie and her children mean so much to her.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: I like how she kept it real because she did
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: say that she had been shitting herself the whole time
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Sophie was pregnant but had found the experience really grounding
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: and said it had helped her football career. In another
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: big step for the couple, Sophie put her home up
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: for sale that she used to share with her ex-fiance basketballer,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Maddie Garrick. So in an interview with realestate.com.au, she revealed
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: that she will be buying a new home with Maddie
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Press Packers. So Sophie told the publication, Maddie and I
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: will definitely be buying together. It's not about proving anything
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: to anyone else. We're just really aligned in what we want.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: It's quite funny because when I read that, I could
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: actually hear her saying it because I feel like Sophie
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: can get rather defensive in interviews and no doubt that's
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: because of her experience of being online in 10 years.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I think she always feels like she's got to defend herself.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Where in reality, it's like, well, that's great that you
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: guys are moving in because this big happy family. Like,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I think it's excellent news.
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: I don't really know a way to go about it
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: and I don't want it to be drama on the internet.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Sammy Guggenheimer has finally confirmed the internet's worst kept secret.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: She and Izzy Armitage are no longer friends. Over the
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: last year, rumours have been swirling that the influencer besties
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: were feuding after they pulled the pin on their joint podcast.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Tired of being constantly questioned over the friendship, Sam finally
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: put an end to the speculation on her Instagram story.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: I don't really know a way to go about it
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: and I don't want it to be drama on the
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: internet and that's the last thing I want. But obviously
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: everyone keeps on asking about my friendship with Izzy and
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: my relationship with Izzy and it's... really hard because like,
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: I don't want there to be drama on the internet
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: and I, that's the last thing I want. So I
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: think I've definitely avoided it and I've avoided the question
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: for so long because it, I don't want there to
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: be sides and everyone to team Sam or team easy
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: or like what went wrong and that us just discuss
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: the drama and everything online. I just don't think it's necessary. Um,
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: but yeah, like we're not friends and, um, We haven't
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: been friends for quite a while and I just want
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: to respect her space.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: We discussed this friendship bust up in October after Sam
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: addressed it on the Inherited podcast. In the interview, Sam
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: claimed that their podcast Just For Girls put a strain
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: on their friendship and she said they decided to pull
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: the pin on the podcast to avoid a public friendship
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: bust up. It really felt at the time that Sam
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: was pussyfooting around it as much as she could, but
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: it was glaringly obvious that these two were no longer friends.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: She even made a comment saying that she was happy
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: for Izzy and hoped Izzy was happy for her, which
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: made it abundantly clear that she actually didn't know what
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: was going on with Izzy and that they weren't actually talking.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Now, this wasn't good enough for the internet. They needed
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: a definitive answer. And I tend to agree.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: If you have showcased this friendship on a podcast for years,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: We need to know the dirty details of what went down,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: particularly when you're in your early 20s and people are
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: known for being petty. And what we have recently seen
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: is an incredibly petty display that my past 20 self
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: would be proud of because it seems like Sam was
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: set off by a now deleted TikTok that Izzy posted
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: that appeared to be aimed at her. In the video,
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Izzy and her friends dance to this trending sound. Now,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: as you can imagine, it didn't take long for followers
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: to speculate in the comments that Izzy's video was in
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: fact aimed at Sam. Sam's best friend, Bill Barker, then
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: entered the chat He wrote, this is not the flex
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: you think it is. Now, it didn't stop there. After
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Sam's Instagram story, Izzy posted another thinly veiled swipe at
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: her former bestie. So Izzy gave the rude finger or
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: the bird, whatever you like to say, to the camera
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: with the caption, fuck you. Her friend then pushed her
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: out the way of the camera with the caption, we're
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: so sorry. And another friend then pushed her out the
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: way and gave double fingers to the camera and said, no,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: fuck you. Now, the pettiness didn't end there because Sam
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: replied copying the video and she brought in the big guns.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: So she let her mum serve up the final blow
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: at the end with the double fuck you. And I
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: think that says a lot about the situation. When you
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: bring your mum in, there is no one that's going
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: to stand up more for you than your mum. And
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: there's probably no one that hates you. Izzy Armitage more
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: than Sam Guggenheimer's mum because that's what mums do. They
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: take your side.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I could definitely see our mum getting on board a
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: trend like this if we asked her to because she
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: hates anyone who crosses us in any way.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: You will always be in Linda Torber's bad books if
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: you ever do anything against us. That sounds like a
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: bit of a warning. It's it's not a warning, but
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: it's just the way that she is and I love
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: her for it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: She actually holds a grudge longer than we do because
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: she'll still send me stuff from people that may have
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: crossed us like 10 years ago. I'm like, oh, are
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: we still talking about them? Like I kind of, you know,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: forgotten about it. In regards to Izzy, I have seen
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: a lot of commentary going around that she's giving off
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: mean girl energy and okay, she probably is. But I
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: think sadly, this is just the reality of friendships in
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: your twenties. I think we've all been through it, particularly
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: when you don't have high school, your part-time job, because
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: these two work to cook high together, bonding you together anymore. Fortunately,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: most of us don't have a large social media platform
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: where this all plays out, or you're like us and
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: you only had MySpace back then.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, it's all been deleted.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Look, let's not be ageist because we have seen Ashley
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Bynes and her 30-something friends also playing out pettiness like
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: this on TikTok. So, I mean, age does not discriminate here.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: And I think that all of us are here for
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: the pettiness. I mean, My only thing is I'm not
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: a fan of people giving the finger.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I think it probably stems from being an identical triplet
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: because you, Kate, we, fun fact, our first cars were
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: all master twos and we got them in slightly different colours.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I got the black, you had the grey, Amy had red. Anyway,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I would always get so scared because you'd have road
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: rage incidents where you would flip the bird so willy-nilly.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: You'd give anyone the bird and I was always scared
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that you'd give someone the bird that I knew.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: And they'd think it was me.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say there were road rage incidents. Like I
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: think if someone does something in the car and you
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: give them the bird, it's not that big of a deal.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: But I have stopped doing that. I say more recently
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: since being a parent.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: You're also a fan of the horn.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: So I have been driving with you in the car
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: before and you will lean over and toot my horn
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: quite aggressively.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Well, but you've got to use it. It's a warning device. Anyway,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: back to Sam and Izzy. I am kind of surprised
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: that it took this long for them to confirm the
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: feud because 2025 was really the year of friendship bust-ups.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, you only have to think about the start
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: of last year. Michaela Tester really blew things up by
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: calling out her former bestie, Anna Paul. We also had
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Jackie Alexander and Gabby Sullivan. And it's a really good
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: way for influencers to stay relevant. It kind of got
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: to the point where there were so many friendship bust-ups
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: that you're thinking, are people just doing this to drive engagement?
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: I think that maybe we should put out there that
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: we've had a bust up. Maybe we'll unfollow each other.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: It's quite funny because I have unfollowed you guys a
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: number of times on Facebook. But yeah, maybe I need
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to do something a bit more public. Maybe Instagram would
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: be a better format to do it in.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: That was so annoying last time because I think you
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: also blogged us. And that meant that you were like
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: automatically out of all the group chats and then you
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: were like, can you add me back in? It was
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: so annoying.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a great way for us to launch our
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Mums Group podcast, for us to have this fake friendship
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: bust up.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Let's start the rumour going. I mean, Amy has disappeared
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: from this conversation. Lifting the veil up for a second,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: that is because this.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Is the second time that we are recording this podcast
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: today and Amy has had to leave to go and
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: edit this the part we've started because it's 8.30 at night,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: which anyone who is a mum knows that this is
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: very late for us. I haven't even had my dinner.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: This is throwing my whole fucking night out. But I mean,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I think it is my fault that this didn't record.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: So normally we try and record in our son's nap times.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: They all sort of have a similar nap schedule. And
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: we did. We managed to somehow get it all done.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: And then two hours later, I got informed that the
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: version that you and Amy recorded at her house didn't
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: actually record. It somehow deleted itself from the SD card.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: So to be honest, the fight that we had after
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: that probably could cause a massive feud between us, but
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: we've got on with it. And I'm very much looking
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: forward to having my dinner. So I hope people have
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: enjoyed this episode because, I mean, I actually think it
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: was better the second time, to be honest.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I actually think I liked the first time around.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: It was a bit more organic. But, you know, let
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: us know if you have enjoyed this episode. I mean,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: could I be cheeky and request a five-star.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: Rating for us having to back it up and do
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: it twice?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: That would be quite lovely.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Do you know what? This is almost punishment for the
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: fact that we decided to take Tuesday's episode off. We're like, no,
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: we're going to be strict this year. We're going to
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: allow ourselves to enjoy long weekends with our families. But
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I think that just shows we can't do it. We
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: have to record at least three episodes a week. Anyway,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: on that, we do have a bonus episode that drops
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: every Thursday for Outspoken Plus subscribers. If you're not a subscriber,
• 38:11
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• 38:13
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• 38:15
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• 38:17
  Speaker 4: All the details to sign up are in the show notes.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: And that's where we're going to leave things today because
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: we're incredibly hungry. If you do enjoy the show, as.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Sophie begged, please leave us a five-star review. This podcast
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: is recorded on the traditional land of the Kaurna people
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders past
• 38:32
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