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Credlin | 19 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Great to be back
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Speaker 2: you back with you for a big twenty six as
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Speaker 2: we kick off the year and take head on the
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Speaker 2: issues that confront our country in the wider world, issues
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Speaker 2: that I know you care deeply about as do I.
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Speaker 2: It's also an election year for South Australia and Victorian voters.
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Speaker 2: We've got the mid terms as well in the United States.
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Speaker 2: Next year twenty twenty seven, well, that's supposed to be
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Speaker 2: the year that President Z says he'll deal with Taiwan.
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Speaker 2: So these are critical times to stay informed. As christ
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Speaker 2: just said, to speak up. That's my new year's resolution
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Speaker 2: to fight for my country and its future, even stronger
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Speaker 2: and louder than before. Has something to say about that
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Speaker 2: and what I regard as the biggest cultural issue facing
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Speaker 2: Australia in a moment before we do is what else
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Speaker 2: is coming up of the program tonight us the latest
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Speaker 2: on the gun controlled legislation before the Parliament. It will
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Speaker 2: be debated tomorrow alongside the much amended hate speech bills.
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Speaker 2: Will also talk to a former police officer in the
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Speaker 2: UK arrested under their hate speech laws. He was later
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Speaker 2: exonerated by the cause. But it is a lesson that
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Speaker 2: we do not want labor to test free speech here
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Speaker 2: in Australia. Anti Semitism protect us from that shore. But
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Speaker 2: let's not have a cover the silence. Criticism of the
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Speaker 2: left will also discuss a radical Islam, something the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister still refuses to confront, and that staggering. A statistic
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Speaker 2: just released by ASIO at least two hundred and thirty
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Speaker 2: would be terrorists known to authorities are living in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Former Federal Police Superintendent David Craig joins me blast a
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Speaker 2: shocker of a newspert today for everyone but Pauline Hansen.
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Speaker 2: Labour copying a bruisey. Plenty of pain there for the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, but it's worse for the coalition. One nation
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Speaker 2: now ahead of them for the first time in history.
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Speaker 2: And the Parliament today emotional scenes when Bondi victims were honored,
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Speaker 2: but the pressure still on the Prime minister after a
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Speaker 2: summer spent playing politics.
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Speaker 3: But I say to the families here today you are
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Speaker 3: owed an apology for how long it took. You should
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Speaker 3: never have had to juggle brieving your lost ones with
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Speaker 3: national advocacy for the Royal Commission you so understandably wanted
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Speaker 3: and deserved.
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Speaker 2: We'll stay with that issue because watching the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: in Parliament today, has he spoke on the condolence motion
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Speaker 2: for the fifteen people allegedly murdered at Bondai by Islamists,
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Speaker 2: hate just confirmed that New Year's resolution of mind, a
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Speaker 2: resolution to fight even harder than ever to save our country,
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Speaker 2: because I think we've got a lot of time to
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Speaker 2: turn things around when you consider just how far we
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Speaker 2: have fallen in the past few years alone, and the
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Speaker 2: comfortable days of the Howard era, or they might as
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Speaker 2: well have been in another country, not just in another decade.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I hardly recognize Australia anymore, Certainly not the Australia
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Speaker 2: I was born into in the nineteen seventies. The country
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Speaker 2: where we didn't even have a key to our front
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Speaker 2: door when I was a kid little I need to
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Speaker 2: lock the car door, our next door neighbors, where we
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Speaker 2: knew them more personally. A country where if you worked hard,
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Speaker 2: you could put a bit aside and get ahead, where
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Speaker 2: you learnt at school about all the tenets of a
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Speaker 2: good education. You were not indoctrinated by leftist rubbish, a
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Speaker 2: place where the vast majority of migrants that arrived here
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Speaker 2: came to build a country, not blow it up helsy
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Speaker 2: in days that seemed lost in history, don't they, Because
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Speaker 2: December's Bondai massacre was proof if any was needed. Drifting backwards,
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Speaker 2: some might even say, losing our soul as a nation.
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Speaker 2: We have a government that's clueless about how to deal
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Speaker 2: with this decline, unwilling to even confront it, to name it,
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Speaker 2: and a political class that's generally letting Australians down. It's
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Speaker 2: no wonder that the first news poll of the year
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Speaker 2: show support for anyone but the two major parties at
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Speaker 2: almost fifty percent.
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Speaker 4: That's an all time record.
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Speaker 2: Today in the Parliament, the Prime Minister lamented what he
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Speaker 2: called an atrocity beyond comprehension, and he declared that he's
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Speaker 2: stood with Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 5: The silence of futures unlived, the silence of a sorrow
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Speaker 5: beyond words, inflicted by an atrocity beyond comprehension. We make
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Speaker 5: it clear to every Jewish Australian you are not alone.
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Speaker 5: All Australians stand with you.
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Speaker 6: On there.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't beyond comprehension. The hate speech and the intimidation
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Speaker 2: started here in this country within hours of the October
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Speaker 2: seven atrocity. Because he did nothing, it steadily increased. No one,
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Speaker 2: certainly not the Prime Minister should have been surprised when
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Speaker 2: that hate speech became hate marches, became fire bombings and
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Speaker 2: ultimately mass murder. The ASIO boss had for months been
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Speaker 2: warning of the increased terror threat. Almost all that are
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Speaker 2: coming from islabist fanatics.
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Speaker 7: Traditional transnational terrorist groups such as Islami estate al Qaeda
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Speaker 7: and their affiliates are exploiting permissive spaces to revive and
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Speaker 7: renew their capabilities. And our greatest threat remains a lone
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Speaker 7: actor using an easily obtained weapon. If I can pick
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Speaker 7: on his buttia again, we have to look actually at
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Speaker 7: its core what that group internationally believes in. It doesn't
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Speaker 7: believe in the open through society we live in. It
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Speaker 7: wants to replace this with a caliphate. How can we
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Speaker 7: accept that.
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Speaker 2: That's the Boss of Asia, our chief intelligence officer in Australia.
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Speaker 2: But listening to the Prime Minister today, it was if
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Speaker 2: the Bondo massacre had come out of nowhere. But even
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Speaker 2: after the deaths of fifteen Edison people. There is nothing
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Speaker 2: to be done except, as he said at the end
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Speaker 2: of his remarks today, other than build social cohesion, he said,
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Speaker 2: and reject division and prejudice in all of its forms.
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Speaker 5: We must channel our anger into meaningful action and it's
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Speaker 5: a task for all of us as Australians to build
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Speaker 5: social cohesion, to reject division and prejudice in all of
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Speaker 5: its forms.
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Speaker 4: Sure, but that's all motherhood stuff.
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Speaker 2: That's not the lines we expect from leader who could
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Speaker 2: do something about it. What we want from our government
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Speaker 2: are answers as to how this got so bad and
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Speaker 2: what must be done to fix it. That was the
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Speaker 2: gaping hole today in the Prime Minister's speech, because the
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Speaker 2: truth is labor can't and labor won't do anything beyond
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Speaker 2: the cosmetic. It's too beholden to Muslim votes in cabinet
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Speaker 2: minister's seats, the Muslim vote in alp branches as well.
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Speaker 2: That's too riddled with the cultural Marxism that puts Jewish
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Speaker 2: people in Israel on the wrong side of every debate.
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Speaker 2: That's why the government's draft legislation targeted guns rather than
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Speaker 2: the Islamist fanaticism that allegedly pulled the triggers and couldn't
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Speaker 2: just deal with jewe hatred in its legislation, but had
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Speaker 2: to go further and wider and deeper and criminalize almost
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Speaker 2: any criticism of any minority group. Opposition leader Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: got closer to the mark.
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Speaker 3: Anti simitic hate fuelled the terrorists on December the fourteenth,
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Speaker 3: but it came out of the shadows in October twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty three. Radical Islamist extremism caused this. Leaders need to
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Speaker 3: be able to express this clearly, because if you can't
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Speaker 3: name the problem, you can't possibly defeat it.
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Speaker 2: Name it and you defeat it. Don't name it and
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Speaker 2: it'll defeat you. Pauline Hansen still banned from the Senate
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Speaker 2: after wearing a burker in the chamber last year, she
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Speaker 2: was much closer.
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Speaker 4: Still, they want that leadership.
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Speaker 8: They want people to put out clear policies that are
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Speaker 8: going to get them out of this quagma that we
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Speaker 8: are in at the moment and start fighting for them.
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Speaker 8: Why do you think what's happened in Bondai? Do you
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Speaker 8: think it was by chance? It is extremist radical ISLAMI
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Speaker 8: It is radical Islam, the fundamentalist.
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Speaker 2: But here's part the Prime Minister finally admitted today that
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Speaker 2: the Bondai killers were allegedly inspired his word, not mine,
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Speaker 2: by a murderous perversion of Islam, he said. But he
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Speaker 2: can't and he won't come up with anything effective to
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Speaker 2: deal with it. He wants to deal with anything except
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Speaker 2: the radical Islamism that's actually killing people. As of this evening,
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Speaker 2: the government and the opposition were still in negotiation about
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Speaker 2: legislation to ban the Islamist group Husberteria. It's already banned
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Speaker 2: in a number of countries around the world, but not
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Speaker 2: here in Australia. Although don't hold your breath because the
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Speaker 2: nation's top Muslim organization and this at Australia's highest ranking
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Speaker 2: immam or they both oppose the move to cancel this
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Speaker 2: extremist hate group. Albanze also says he wants laws to
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Speaker 2: make it easier to deport hate preachers.
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Speaker 4: Yet he's already got a raft of laws. You know what.
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Speaker 2: Two years on from the October nine disgrace on the
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Speaker 2: steps of the Opera House, not a single Islamist has
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Speaker 2: had his or her Australian visa canceled.
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Speaker 4: Not one.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burg's quick to cancel visas of neo Nazis and
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Speaker 2: to block the visit of hardline Israeli government ministers. But
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Speaker 2: he lacks the guts to send even one Islamist packing.
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Speaker 2: That's the bloke that goes out to the airport too
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Speaker 2: and welcomes the gardens and secretly brings home the Isis
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Speaker 2: brides as co conspirators. He says, though, to block and
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Speaker 2: send out the hate preachers, we need you legislation, anyone.
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Speaker 2: The newsport today was a shoker. I have been warning
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Speaker 2: about this for years. So much for the liberal moderates
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Speaker 2: telling people that their base had.
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Speaker 4: Nowhere to go.
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Speaker 2: While they go on, haven't they question is can they
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Speaker 2: get these voters back? Because if the Coalition is to
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Speaker 2: win back the growing protest vote parked with one nation,
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Speaker 2: it will have to come up with strong and practical
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Speaker 2: proposals of it. So not just slightly amended, less worse
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Speaker 2: options than what the government's offering. It's got to have
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Speaker 2: practical ways to rebuild the social cohesion that's been eroded
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Speaker 2: under the misguided multiculturalism. That's somehow our diversity, our unity
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Speaker 2: is our diversity, Well it's not. Modern multiculturalism is killing
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Speaker 2: this country. With Australia Day coming It's time to recognize
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Speaker 2: the culture war that's being waged against our country and
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Speaker 2: stand up to protect our freedom in our way of life.
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Speaker 2: Because at the heart of this decline has been an
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Speaker 2: immigration and a multicultural policy that has added to our
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Speaker 2: diversity sure, but hardly enhanced our unity. And too many
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Speaker 2: weak politicians have gone out of their way to focus
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Speaker 2: on colonial shame, indigenous revisionism, that shocking voice, and the
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Speaker 2: nonsense of flying three flags instead of one. The build
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Speaker 2: up to the Bondi massacre highlight at the speed at
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Speaker 2: which Australia is changing. Since we have tens of thousands
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Speaker 2: of people routinely march through our city streets on the
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Speaker 2: side of a terrorist organization, that's now our weekly reality.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm a descendant of migrants from the eighteen fifties,
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Speaker 2: I can hardly be against migration.
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Speaker 4: But it's time we.
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Speaker 2: Were open about the sort of migrants we want and
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Speaker 2: the values.
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Speaker 4: We expect of them.
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Speaker 2: As I said earlier, there's a big difference between those
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Speaker 2: who want to build up our country and those who
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Speaker 2: want to blow it up. Not only do immigration numbers
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Speaker 2: have to come down and fast, but there's got to
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Speaker 2: be a clear expectation than everyone coming here is prepared
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Speaker 2: to join Team Australia, rather than simply take advantage of
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Speaker 2: Hotel Australia, as did the post war migrants, who chose
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Speaker 2: to integrate from day one and to assimilate as quickly
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Speaker 2: as possible into the wider Australian community. If more bondim
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Speaker 2: assacas to be avoided, twenty twenty six must be the
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Speaker 2: year of social cohesion, rather than yet more pandering to
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Speaker 2: religious bigots, ethnic activists and the crazy notion that Australians
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Speaker 2: should be apologetic about our past. That's why it's so
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Speaker 2: so important this year that your voice is heard.
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Speaker 4: Your voice, not just my voice, but your voice.
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Speaker 2: Because the more the solent majority stays silent, the less
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Speaker 2: of a majority it will be. All right, let's go
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Speaker 2: to Camber now for the headlines. Here we are joined
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Speaker 2: by Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 9: Parliament has reconvened to pay tribute to the victims of
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Speaker 9: the Bondai massacre. After a minute silence, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 9: promised Jewish Australians his governments would not meet their suffering
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Speaker 9: with silence.
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Speaker 5: We must channel our anger into meaningful action, and that
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Speaker 5: responsibility starts with me.
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Speaker 9: The Opposition leader used her speech to attack the government.
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Speaker 3: I say to the families here today you are owed
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Speaker 3: an apology. You should never have had to juggle grieving
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Speaker 3: your lost ones with national advocacy for the Royal Commission
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Speaker 3: you so understandably wanted.
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Speaker 9: Behind the scenes, negotiations are unfolding between the Government and
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Speaker 9: the opposition over new hate laws. The Prime Minister abandoned
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Speaker 9: a racial vilification offense that was opposed by the Coalition
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Speaker 9: and the Greens.
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Speaker 10: We are working through a range of provisions in what
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Speaker 10: remains of the bill.
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Speaker 9: Gun reforms will be passed tomorrow with the help of
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Speaker 9: the Greens. One Nation's primary vote is a head of
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Speaker 9: the coalitions in the polls for the first time. According
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Speaker 9: to the latest News poll in the Australian, One Nation's
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Speaker 9: primary vote increased seven points to twenty two percent. The
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Speaker 9: Coalition dropped three points to a record low twenty one percent.
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Speaker 9: Labour's vote all so declined.
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Speaker 8: I'm not this this little woman came out of my
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Speaker 8: fish and chip shop. I've got thirty years of experienced
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Speaker 8: under my belt. So if you want to take me on,
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Speaker 8: if you want to underestimate me.
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Speaker 9: The News hurt Anthony Albernezi remains the preferred prime minister.
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Speaker 2: All Right, as you heard there, we've had the News
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Speaker 2: poll out today, the first of the year. Yes, there's
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Speaker 2: been a four percent drop in the Labour's primary vote.
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Speaker 2: But the big story today, of course, is that surge
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Speaker 2: in the One Nation vote, now surpassing the Coalition on
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Speaker 2: primary for the first time since News poll first began.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this and a whole lot more.
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Speaker 2: Deputy Executive Director at the Institute Public Affairs Dan Wilde
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Speaker 2: and Senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center Nick Caten.
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Speaker 4: Gentlemen, welcome.
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Speaker 2: We're kicking off the year with a big News poll
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Speaker 2: and I think a reckoning here Dan for the coalition.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, thanks Peter, and happy new year to yourself and
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Speaker 11: to your viewers. Look your spot on it is a
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Speaker 11: reckoning for the coalition. What's interesting here that we've seen
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Speaker 11: and we know for a few months now One Nation
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Speaker 11: have been taking votes from the Coalition, but they're now
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Speaker 11: also taking votes from Labor and this is now why
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Speaker 11: One Nation is in reform. UK Territory reform became a
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Speaker 11: real threat to the political establishment, both the Tories and Labor,
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Speaker 11: not just when they were taking votes from the Tories,
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Speaker 11: but when they started to take votes from Labor, which
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Speaker 11: is exactly what's been happening. So this is why this
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Speaker 11: latest News poll is such a seismic event. I don't
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Speaker 11: know when the last time was that another party on
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Speaker 11: the right overtook the coalition. I don't think that's ever
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Speaker 11: happened since the News poll began. So this cannot be understated.
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Speaker 11: But it is hardly a surprise. It hasn't there. It
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Speaker 11: is hardly a surprise because Australians will gravitate towards someone
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Speaker 11: that has a consistent, values based leadership and whether you
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Speaker 11: like Senator Hanson or not, as she said in that
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Speaker 11: clip before, she's been there in the political arena for
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Speaker 11: a long time and Australians know where she stands, and
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Speaker 11: they know where she stands on the big hot button
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Speaker 11: issues of the day, which is immigration, Net zero and
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Speaker 11: Australian culture and values. And if you're a mainstream Australian
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Speaker 11: that is concerned about those issues, then it's understandable as
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Speaker 11: to why they're saying, look, I'm going to put a
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Speaker 11: one next to one nation at the upcoming election.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting Nick this News poll collides with that story
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Speaker 2: from yesterday that the Liberal Parties review into their election
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Speaker 2: lost has been delayed. Reports that this is due to
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton having concerns that there are elements of the
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Speaker 2: draft report that's defametory to him and those around him.
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Speaker 2: And I've got to say, you know, look at the
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Speaker 2: result in the last period from May until June and
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Speaker 2: news Pol under Susan Lee and the team. It would
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Speaker 2: be madness if the Liberal Party thought that it was
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Speaker 2: all Dutton's faults. If they could put it all in
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Speaker 2: a review, blame it all on Dunton tie bowl and
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Speaker 2: that move on, They're kidding themselves because, as Dan rightly says,
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Speaker 2: they now have a reckoning with one Nation and one
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Speaker 2: Nation seems to be ahead of where the Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: is on so many of the big issues, but right
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Speaker 2: where the Australian community is.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean if they put all this down to Peter
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Speaker 1: Dutton and Peter then they are just not paying attention
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Speaker 1: and they're not doing themselves a favor. I mean, here's
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Speaker 1: the thing. The primary vote for the curlition has declined
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Speaker 1: at every election since twenty thirteen. That was the peak
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Speaker 1: when you were campaigning with Tony Abbott. It has gone
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Speaker 1: down every election since, and it's dropped a further nine
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Speaker 1: points since the last election. You could put that in
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Speaker 1: terms of votes, that's about one point three million voters
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Speaker 1: up and off and gone to one nation. So there's
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Speaker 1: a very clear message in these polls. I mean one
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Speaker 1: of the faults at the last election, of course, was
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Speaker 1: a Courlition was notoriously bad at reading polls. But blind
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Speaker 1: Freddie can read this one. What they're clearly saying is
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Speaker 1: none of the above and why because voters are not
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Speaker 1: happy with the way either party has responded to Bondai.
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Speaker 1: It's easy to see why they have doubts about the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister. I mean I've written embassy about that, many
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Speaker 1: people have. But it's a real message for Susan Lee.
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Speaker 1: Because this used to be the curlition strong point, national security, immigration.
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Speaker 1: We just assumed that when those issues came to the foor,
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Speaker 1: our vote would go up, as they did for instance
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and one after nine to eleven and
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Speaker 1: the temper issue.
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Speaker 6: But they've gone down.
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Speaker 1: They've gone the other way. So clearly voters do not
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Speaker 1: associate the Coalition as being strong on national security and immigration,
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Speaker 1: and that's what Susan Lee has to change quickly.
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Speaker 2: That's because Nick, we had the credentials, because we're on
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Speaker 2: the field, we had policies there and we're in the fight.
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Speaker 2: I'd have to say, since Tony haven't departed, honestly, we've
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Speaker 2: not been out there on immigration issues, we've been very
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Speaker 2: weak in terms of the growth of the migration numbers.
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Speaker 2: You remember Scott Morrison famously said I don't care about
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Speaker 2: woke and I want to get into these culture debates.
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Speaker 2: They've been absent for a long time and issues in
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Speaker 2: relation to defending women's spaces. Dalton was taking KICKI and
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Speaker 2: screaming to that by me and others just before the
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Speaker 2: campaign kicked off. The reason they're struggling on these issues
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Speaker 2: that they're not call collateral anymore is they're not in
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Speaker 2: the fight and they risk even losing that call collateral
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Speaker 2: on the economy and budget management as well.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, Peter, And look, I think things have
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Speaker 1: changed in this country since two thousand and one. The
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Speaker 1: nature of immigration has changed. If you go back then,
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Speaker 1: there was only a handful of people from countries like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan.
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Speaker 1: We've had two hundred and eighty thousand arrivals from those countries,
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Speaker 1: and if you include Pakistan since two thousand and seven,
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Speaker 1: that's an enormous amount of people. They've come here for
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Speaker 1: all sorts of reasons, and at least thirty or forty
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Speaker 1: thousand of them, of course self selected by coming on boats.
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Speaker 1: We have a problem in this country.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's go to Australia Day, because it'll be honest,
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Speaker 2: and this is again almost now Dan, the crucible about
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Speaker 2: the cultural self loathing of the elites in Australia. I
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Speaker 2: predict post Bondai we're going to see a resurgence of
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Speaker 2: patriotism and Australia Day flags and other things amongst ordinary Australians.
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Speaker 4: Get out to the suburbs, we'll.
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Speaker 2: See them, and everywhere else we'll have the Invasion Day
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Speaker 2: protests and other things. But you've seen at the IPA
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Speaker 2: a real shift in national mood.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we have, Peter.
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Speaker 11: And now keep in mind this poll was taken in
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Speaker 11: early December, so before BONDI and I agree with you
21:32
Speaker 11: the numbers have probably only gone up since then. But
21:33
Speaker 11: just look at the numbers on the screen. I mean,
21:35
Speaker 11: it's skyrocketed in terms of the support for Australia Day
21:38
Speaker 11: we're now it's seventy six percent of Australians say that
21:41
Speaker 11: they want Australia Day on the twenty sixth of January.
21:44
Speaker 11: So remember the question that was asked is not just
21:46
Speaker 11: do you like Australia Day, but do you want to
21:48
Speaker 11: celebrate it on the twenty sixth of January, which is
21:52
Speaker 11: the date of contention to those elites that you reference.
21:55
Speaker 11: And you know this Surgeon support has been driven by
21:58
Speaker 11: eighteen to twenty four year olds. Their support is at
22:01
Speaker 11: eighty three percent eighteen to twenty four year olds, and
22:04
Speaker 11: that's gone up something like twenty points over the last
22:07
Speaker 11: couple of years. So we're seeing a resurgence in patriotism
22:10
Speaker 11: amongst the youngest generation.
22:12
Speaker 6: And I believe what is.
22:13
Speaker 11: Happening is there's a yearning in our country for a
22:16
Speaker 11: sense of belonging, a sense of unity, and Australians want
22:20
Speaker 11: to have a political standard bearer that will unite our country,
22:24
Speaker 11: as you say, especially post BONDI. The other interesting thing
22:27
Speaker 11: is you mentioned the usual Invasion Day protests, but I've
22:31
Speaker 11: got to say I haven't seen the usual cavalcade of
22:34
Speaker 11: you know, the sort of the purple hair brigade that's
22:36
Speaker 11: out there every year. They haven't been out there this
22:38
Speaker 11: year so far. So you know, from my perspective, I
22:40
Speaker 11: think this debate is over Australia days. The twenty sixth
22:44
Speaker 11: of January always was and always will be.
22:48
Speaker 2: I do know there's been government funding for an organization
22:52
Speaker 2: million and a half or so to look into a
22:54
Speaker 2: new date. But I think I agree with you. So
22:56
Speaker 2: I agree with you outside of Victoria. I'll see what
22:58
Speaker 2: happens in the next ten So Nick, talk to me
23:02
Speaker 2: about Greenland.
23:04
Speaker 4: What do you make.
23:05
Speaker 2: About the comments from Donald Trump the purchase of Greenland
23:10
Speaker 2: from Denmark and now this threatened tariff with some of
23:14
Speaker 2: the European countries. I note he's going the President's going
23:17
Speaker 2: to Davos and Switzerland to the lefty talk fest, which
23:21
Speaker 2: is on imminently. I expect it'll be frosty. Pardon the
23:25
Speaker 2: part in terms of the welcome there, but give me
23:28
Speaker 2: your sort of reckoning of it.
23:31
Speaker 1: Have we just say in one sentence, Peter pick up
23:33
Speaker 1: on that Australia Day poll, for which I thank the IPA.
23:37
Speaker 1: It's one of the best pieces of news I've heard
23:38
Speaker 1: in a long time. Any Albaniz he says we need
23:41
Speaker 1: national unity. He needs to explain what we need to
23:44
Speaker 1: unify around, and clearly that Pole points out, it's the
23:47
Speaker 1: flag that's what we need to come together on next Monday.
23:50
Speaker 1: On Greenland. I'm amused by this, I really am, And
23:53
Speaker 1: what worries me is, Yes, obviously there are concerns about
23:58
Speaker 1: the strategic nature of that piece of land and the
24:01
Speaker 1: fact that it's a gateway to Russia and China. We
24:04
Speaker 1: have to look after it. But by picking a fight
24:06
Speaker 1: with the European countries as Trump appears to be doing,
24:10
Speaker 1: I think he's weakening at the strength of our coalition
24:13
Speaker 1: and giving China a happy feeling. So this is my
24:18
Speaker 1: problem with this. I think you have to in politics,
24:21
Speaker 1: and of course strategically in war, you pick the hill
24:24
Speaker 1: you're going to fight on. I think this is the
24:25
Speaker 1: wrong one right now. The real problem is China and
24:28
Speaker 1: anything that detracts from that at this moment I think
24:31
Speaker 1: is it should be put aside.
24:36
Speaker 4: Well, I leave it there, gentlemen. Thank you, Dan.
24:38
Speaker 2: I'll be interested in a catch up with you after
24:41
Speaker 2: you've got around the officers in camp. We're talking about
24:43
Speaker 2: that hate spooce legislation. I understand right now. Actually, there's
24:46
Speaker 2: a party room meeting for the coalition underway. Just before
24:49
Speaker 2: I leave that issue of China, I want to make
24:51
Speaker 2: a mention of his New Year's Eve address. As a
24:55
Speaker 2: president X he's pledged to achieve a reunification. He calls
24:59
Speaker 2: it Taiwan and mainland China, although the countries have never
25:04
Speaker 2: been governed ever, despite the directorc by the Communist Chinese Party.
25:09
Speaker 2: But that's on the table, and China's ambassador to Australia
25:14
Speaker 2: has told the government camera that the Chinese people will
25:17
Speaker 2: not forgive. He says countries at seek to obstruct Beijing's.
25:20
Speaker 4: Push to take back Taiwan.
25:23
Speaker 2: All right, Let's go now to some shocking statistics in
25:25
Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraho over the weekend that underpin the challenges
25:29
Speaker 2: that our security agencies face in monitoring potential terrorists. There
25:34
Speaker 2: are currently two hundred and thirty would be terrorists leaving
25:38
Speaker 2: amongst us in Australia in a whole lot of deradicalization programs.
25:43
Speaker 2: Now that number doesn't even include those who refuse to
25:46
Speaker 2: join these programs, or who are those who are deemed unsuitable.
25:51
Speaker 2: Just as alarming, one in three of these extremists in
25:55
Speaker 2: these programs are under the age of eighteen ow TiO
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Speaker 2: discuss this Former Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig David, welcome.
26:06
Speaker 2: I had some idea of the numbers, but I didn't
26:10
Speaker 2: realize i'd got over two hundred to the scale of
26:13
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty. But you and I both know
26:17
Speaker 2: I would help my viewers understand there is no way
26:21
Speaker 2: our intelligence agencies can surveil these people twenty four to seven.
26:27
Speaker 2: So so realistically, what does monitoring them look like.
26:33
Speaker 12: There's a couple of things here, Peter, look, Happy new
26:35
Speaker 12: year to you and your viewers, and thank you for
26:37
Speaker 12: having me back on this is clearly a very serious
26:41
Speaker 12: thing we need to talk about. First of all, without
26:45
Speaker 12: talking about any accurate capacity, it's quite safe to say
26:50
Speaker 12: that ASO and the AFP combined would not have enough
26:53
Speaker 12: to surveil two hundred and thirty terrorists in Australia. That's
26:57
Speaker 12: simply just not feasible on a twenty seven basis. What
27:03
Speaker 12: I would say, though, is that these figures must be
27:06
Speaker 12: much higher statistically. They must be higher not just Islamic radicalism,
27:11
Speaker 12: but ideological violence, white supremacists, et cetera. The statistics are
27:16
Speaker 12: higher than this. So if we only had two hundred
27:19
Speaker 12: and thirty terrorists in Australia, then that would actually be
27:22
Speaker 12: a good day, Peter. We need to front this straight
27:26
Speaker 12: up and know what we're actually dealing with here.
27:31
Speaker 2: All right now, How concerned are you about the number
27:33
Speaker 2: of them that are under the age of eighteen and
27:36
Speaker 2: obviously the spread of a lot of this radicalization in
27:40
Speaker 2: the online environment.
27:44
Speaker 12: Strangely enough, Peter, that's actually one of the positive points
27:47
Speaker 12: is now deradicalization programs. I'm not a big supporter of them.
27:51
Speaker 12: They don't really deradicalize anyone from their ideology. They can
27:55
Speaker 12: disengage people from violent or criminal behavior at best. I'm
28:01
Speaker 12: not sure that having the sorry having such a young
28:06
Speaker 12: demographic is such a negative thing. De radicalization programs have
28:10
Speaker 12: been more successful with younger people in disengaging them, not
28:14
Speaker 12: changing their ideology, but disengaging them from violent behavior. So
28:19
Speaker 12: if we can get in early enough with these people,
28:21
Speaker 12: then we can get them to step back from their
28:24
Speaker 12: actual criminal actions and that would be successful. As far
28:27
Speaker 12: as these programs go. I think that this is just
28:31
Speaker 12: more of the online trend that we've seen over the
28:33
Speaker 12: last few years, and that provides an Iamner for the
28:38
Speaker 12: government to intercede online with these deoredicalization thought thoughts, rather
28:45
Speaker 12: than these people living in this echo chamber of hate
28:48
Speaker 12: which they do online.
28:51
Speaker 2: David, when I was in Britain, I got a briefing
28:53
Speaker 2: in relation to the House of Lords report about the
28:57
Speaker 2: success or otherwise of these d read programs. They are
29:00
Speaker 2: pretty skating in terms of their value. Is there anything
29:03
Speaker 2: new out there now to say that they're better than
29:05
Speaker 2: they were?
29:09
Speaker 12: No, there's not, Peter, I think the name is a
29:12
Speaker 12: misnomer anyway, deradicalization. They don't actually do that. There's very
29:17
Speaker 12: few successful cases. There are statistics that say, well there's
29:22
Speaker 12: a lower percentage of people that have participated in these
29:25
Speaker 12: programs going on to commit a terrorist act. But realistically
29:30
Speaker 12: they are largely unsuccessful and I don't think that they
29:34
Speaker 12: are a fair measure of the amount of terrorists we
29:37
Speaker 12: have in Australia.
29:39
Speaker 2: I want to get a comment from you in relation
29:41
Speaker 2: to Hsberteria. There's a been a lot of debate about
29:44
Speaker 2: this today, the attempts by the government, with the support
29:47
Speaker 2: of the Parliament, to be able to outlaw Hesbyteria in Australia.
29:50
Speaker 2: We know it's outlawed in countries like the United Kingdom.
29:54
Speaker 2: I note that there's a number of Islamic bodies and mrms,
29:57
Speaker 2: including the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, coming out and
30:03
Speaker 2: arguing for the retention of Hissberteria as a legitimate organization.
30:07
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is crazy to me.
30:12
Speaker 12: I would have liked to have thought or seen that
30:15
Speaker 12: the Islamic leadership of this country was distancing itself from
30:19
Speaker 12: such a radicalizing group. We talk about deer radicalizing program, well,
30:24
Speaker 12: they are a radicalizing program. They've been very careful in
30:27
Speaker 12: Australia to advocate not to advocate violence, and to keep
30:31
Speaker 12: a step away from any criminal activity or advocating. They've
30:35
Speaker 12: learned from what happened in the UK. Peter they tried
30:39
Speaker 12: to ban the UK government tried to ban Husbertia in
30:42
Speaker 12: the UK for many years following the bombings, the Seven
30:44
Speaker 12: seven bombings, the rail bombings, et cetera. It was only
30:49
Speaker 12: when they celebrated the October seven attacks that the UK
30:54
Speaker 12: government had the impromata to actually say they are advocating
30:58
Speaker 12: for terror and they were then on that. Actually two
31:01
Speaker 12: years ago today, on the nineteenth of January two thousand
31:04
Speaker 12: and four, twenty twenty four. They were prescribed, why should
31:08
Speaker 12: we let it go that far? Here? We need to
31:10
Speaker 12: be all over these people. They are a spousing hate
31:13
Speaker 12: and they've learned from the UK. We need to get
31:17
Speaker 12: all our intelligence together, get AZEO to assess who said
31:21
Speaker 12: what after the Bondo massacre, because I'll be very surprised
31:25
Speaker 12: if there weren't radical Islamic people involved with Hosbutteria that
31:28
Speaker 12: weren't celebrating that attack.
31:33
Speaker 2: Sound word, sound advice. I hope we're listening to you
31:35
Speaker 2: in camera. Thank you, David Craig. After break and cut
31:38
Speaker 2: through the Allen government spin when it comes to bushfire
31:42
Speaker 2: funding communities absolutely left in the lurch.
31:46
Speaker 4: So who's telling the truth here?
31:48
Speaker 2: We'll also cross life of the UK to speak to
31:50
Speaker 2: a victim of their hate speech laws. Is a former
31:53
Speaker 2: police officer. This is a warning of what not to
31:56
Speaker 2: do here in Australia. Welcome back, still to come. I'll
32:03
Speaker 2: cross to the UK, as I said, to speak to
32:05
Speaker 2: a former police officer there who has a timely warning
32:09
Speaker 2: about Labour's hate speech laws. He was arrested but later
32:13
Speaker 2: exonerated over the issue of free speech, but out of
32:17
Speaker 2: the devastated communities hit hard by summer fires yet again
32:20
Speaker 2: in Victoria, and the anger in these communities is palpable.
32:25
Speaker 2: We've seen individuals and towns devastated by fire, but in
32:29
Speaker 2: the case of Victoria. Don't forget we're just seventeen years
32:32
Speaker 2: old from the devastation of Black Saturday, and yet it
32:35
Speaker 2: seems Victorian labor, despite our Royal Commission, has failed to
32:39
Speaker 2: act on the recommendations that would help mitigate a similar disaster.
32:44
Speaker 4: Shame on your career, on you that everybody else has.
32:49
Speaker 8: Shame with your shame when you were done taking for
32:51
Speaker 8: what you've done caused the situation, from what you're doing
32:54
Speaker 8: to help it out.
32:57
Speaker 6: Hello, shame on you.
33:01
Speaker 2: Victorian farmer Maxwell ho Hobson died next to his youth
33:06
Speaker 2: while trying to protect his property in Euroa, which is
33:08
Speaker 2: northeast of Melbourne. Two hundred and sixty other families have
33:12
Speaker 2: lost their homes. Some twenty thousand head of livestock have
33:16
Speaker 2: also been killed. Now over the state's history, Victoria has
33:20
Speaker 2: been hit harder than any other state or territory in
33:24
Speaker 2: the country. While you might think that would focus the
33:27
Speaker 2: mind of government to do whatever it takes to limit
33:30
Speaker 2: deaths and property losses in the future. It would seem
33:33
Speaker 2: that the opposite has been true. They may well have
33:36
Speaker 2: increased the fire levy on Victorians, but it's not increased
33:39
Speaker 2: support for the Country Fire Authority, its volunteers, its trucks,
33:45
Speaker 2: or overall bush fire preparedness. And as more and more
33:49
Speaker 2: questions come for Jacinta Allan, it would appear she's digging in.
33:53
Speaker 2: Here are her comments yesterday.
33:56
Speaker 13: There has only ever been an increase in funding to
34:00
Speaker 13: the CFA. Let's not let this little conspiracy.
34:02
Speaker 6: Theory run away.
34:03
Speaker 13: I want to be absolutely clear that any claim to
34:05
Speaker 13: the contrary is false in terms of your desire for
34:08
Speaker 13: publicly available information. The CFA board put out a statement
34:12
Speaker 13: a week ago making it absolutely clear that there has
34:16
Speaker 13: only ever been an increase in funding.
34:20
Speaker 2: Well hardly a conspiracy theory. Today, Victoria's independent budget watchdog
34:25
Speaker 2: Public challenge the Premier's assertion that there has been an
34:29
Speaker 2: increase to the budget. It's found there's been an overall
34:32
Speaker 2: budget decrease to the CFA since the twenty twenty one
34:36
Speaker 2: twenty one sorry twenty twenty twenty one financial year. Here
34:41
Speaker 2: to discuss this in more. Victorian opposition Leader Jess Wilson. Well,
34:45
Speaker 2: you know, talk about conspiracy theories. As I said, this
34:47
Speaker 2: is the Budget Office, so this is an independent entity.
34:50
Speaker 2: It's looked at the books of the CFA and it
34:52
Speaker 2: says since the twenty twenty twenty twenty one budget year Jes,
34:57
Speaker 2: over that time there's been a fifty million reduction in funding.
35:03
Speaker 2: So who's telling the truth?
35:04
Speaker 14: Well, this is the Independent Parliamentary Budget Watchdog calling out
35:09
Speaker 14: the Premier and the government for not being honest with Victorians.
35:13
Speaker 14: It's there in black and white in the CFA annual Report.
35:17
Speaker 14: And what we've seen over the past week, Peter is
35:20
Speaker 14: the Premiere repeatedly misleading Victorians. First, we had the Premier
35:25
Speaker 14: come out and say that the latest CFA and your
35:28
Speaker 14: report could not be released because it had been held
35:31
Speaker 14: up for the Order to General processes and it wasn't
35:34
Speaker 14: available at the end of last year. Well the Order
35:37
Speaker 14: to General, the Independent Umpire called the Premiere out on that,
35:40
Speaker 14: issuing a statement to correct the record to say that
35:43
Speaker 14: it finalized a report on the eleventh of November, and
35:46
Speaker 14: then the Minister had to confirm that she received it
35:50
Speaker 14: in early December.
35:51
Speaker 4: So it's sat on her desk. Is that what that's right.
35:54
Speaker 14: It sat on her desk and hasn't been released to
35:56
Speaker 14: the public. So we've got the most recent CFA and
35:59
Speaker 14: report sitting there supposedly now being released tomorrow, and it's
36:04
Speaker 14: the Premier who's misleading Victorians. But then the second instance,
36:08
Speaker 14: as you said, with the black and white in the
36:11
Speaker 14: most recent annual report that's available, the twenty twenty three
36:14
Speaker 14: to twenty four showing that year on year we have
36:17
Speaker 14: seen a decrease.
36:17
Speaker 4: In funding to the CFA.
36:19
Speaker 14: It's so disappointing to hear from the Premiere that we're
36:24
Speaker 14: misleading CFA volunteers who are putting their lives at risk
36:28
Speaker 14: protecting their communities and saying and to them that there
36:31
Speaker 14: has been an increase in funding when in black and
36:34
Speaker 14: white it simply shows there has not been.
36:36
Speaker 2: I'm surprised, given that the fire level was such a
36:38
Speaker 2: political issue for the government this year that they wouldn't
36:42
Speaker 2: have their house in order going into what usually is
36:45
Speaker 2: in Victoria a tough fire period. Now, I know you've
36:48
Speaker 2: been out in the fire ground, you've been talking to people.
36:52
Speaker 2: As I said, this is a state that lost what
36:54
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy three people Victorians in Black Saturday
36:58
Speaker 2: some seventy five and Ash Wednesday before that, and no
37:01
Speaker 2: one's had the losses like Vittoria has. So governments are
37:05
Speaker 2: culpable if these organizations don't get the breathing gear, the trucks.
37:11
Speaker 4: The support they need on the ground.
37:13
Speaker 2: That's what the volunteers need to have to save lives
37:17
Speaker 2: and protect their own lives.
37:18
Speaker 14: What are they telling you, Well, you're right, I've been
37:21
Speaker 14: out right across the state. I've been to hard Court,
37:23
Speaker 14: I've been to Longwood, to yak Up to Woodonga, right
37:27
Speaker 14: across the state where we send these devastating fires. And
37:29
Speaker 14: to your point, this devastating loss of property, of course,
37:32
Speaker 14: that loss of life. And what I'm hearing, particularly from
37:35
Speaker 14: our CFA volunteers is.
37:37
Speaker 4: They don't feel supported.
37:39
Speaker 14: They're really concerned about the aging fleet of their trucks,
37:42
Speaker 14: in particular going out in absolutely horrific conditions on the
37:46
Speaker 14: back of trucks where they're not protected. And this is
37:49
Speaker 14: a result of once again the Labor government mismanaging the finances.
37:53
Speaker 14: After a decade of them being in government. We've seen
37:55
Speaker 14: the interest bill sought over one million dollars every single hour,
38:00
Speaker 14: and these are the consequences Peter, the real world consequences
38:03
Speaker 14: of not seeing the government, the Labor government investing in
38:06
Speaker 14: our frontline services.
38:08
Speaker 4: Just quickly.
38:09
Speaker 2: You're now in the election year. It's twenty twenty six,
38:12
Speaker 2: front the voters in November. What ten days ago? You
38:15
Speaker 2: lost your Deputy Sam Growth. He's not going to return
38:18
Speaker 2: to the Parliament after the next election. Are you ready
38:22
Speaker 2: convinced Victorians?
38:23
Speaker 4: You're ready.
38:24
Speaker 14: Well, we're ready and we're really excited. I've been working
38:26
Speaker 14: right throughout the summer. I've been on the ground listening
38:29
Speaker 14: to Victorians and what I hear very clearly is that
38:32
Speaker 14: they are desperate to see a change of direction in
38:35
Speaker 14: this state. They know that Victoria is headed in the
38:38
Speaker 14: wrong direction and.
38:39
Speaker 4: They want hope restored again.
38:41
Speaker 14: They want to know that someone will actually invest in
38:45
Speaker 14: the essential services they need. And that's my guarantee to
38:48
Speaker 14: them is I will stop the waste. I'll repair the
38:51
Speaker 14: budget and make sure that every Victorian gets accesses to
38:54
Speaker 14: the services they need and deserve. It's going to be
38:56
Speaker 14: a big year. I'm ready, my team is ready, and
38:58
Speaker 14: we're really excited for the the ten months ahead.
39:01
Speaker 4: Well, you certainly didn't take a break. I watched very
39:03
Speaker 4: closely over summer's good on your jest. Thank you all.
39:05
Speaker 2: Right, after the break, we'll go to the UK where
39:07
Speaker 2: they are arresting some thirty people a day, the so
39:11
Speaker 2: called hate speech. It is a lesson here in Australia.
39:22
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
39:22
Speaker 2: I've got James Ashby, One Nation chief of Staff coming
39:26
Speaker 2: up on that massive news pub was.
39:28
Speaker 4: Off for the party.
39:29
Speaker 2: We'll pull that apart, but first, the UK government's crackdown
39:32
Speaker 2: on hate speech is reportedly seeing as many it's thirty
39:35
Speaker 2: arrests a day, and what should be a warning for
39:38
Speaker 2: those trying to rush hate speech reform through the Australian parliament.
39:42
Speaker 2: One example, excuse me, is retired UK police officer Julian Folks,
39:47
Speaker 2: who was wrongfully arrested over a social media post in
39:50
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three regarding a reply to a supporter of
39:54
Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian marches on x Now. His case was
39:59
Speaker 2: carried by the Free Speech.
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Speaker 4: Union through the courts.
40:02
Speaker 2: Last year, he received an apology and a payout from police.
40:07
Speaker 2: The UK is clearly the canary in the coal mine
40:09
Speaker 2: here and I'm pleased to say Julian Folks joins me now, Julian,
40:13
Speaker 2: thank you. I'm thrilled to be able to have you
40:16
Speaker 2: on the program, because, as I said, the UK is
40:18
Speaker 2: the canary in the coal mine. In relation to this legislation,
40:23
Speaker 2: what would you like to say to Australians when it
40:25
Speaker 2: comes to passing these laws as they are trying to do,
40:28
Speaker 2: to ran them through the Parliament to crack down and
40:31
Speaker 2: so called hate speech.
40:35
Speaker 15: Excuse me, I'd very much like to say to Australians
40:38
Speaker 15: that on the face of it, it doesn't sound too controversial.
40:45
Speaker 15: You know, nobody would like hate speech and we'd like
40:48
Speaker 15: to be rid of it. The problem here is that
40:52
Speaker 15: it's been drafted I think in your particular case what
40:56
Speaker 15: seems to be a knee reaction to the Bondai incident,
41:01
Speaker 15: and it will have zero effect on anti Semitism. This
41:06
Speaker 15: is what's happened here. We've had an online safety bill
41:10
Speaker 15: drafted a couple of years ago and it's had no
41:15
Speaker 15: effect whatsoever on anti Semitism. But the effect that it
41:19
Speaker 15: has had is just to clamp down on free speech.
41:23
Speaker 15: And I would say to Australians be very careful as
41:28
Speaker 15: to what you vote for, what you want, because this
41:31
Speaker 15: will morph into something much worse.
41:37
Speaker 2: Julian, your case is a good one. I've also watched
41:40
Speaker 2: others a conservative commentator who supposedly has said something about
41:45
Speaker 2: Kirstarma and now heard her right to come on a
41:49
Speaker 2: visa to the UK allegedly withdrawn. I mean, are we
41:54
Speaker 2: seeing predominantly critics of the government or critics of the
41:57
Speaker 2: left being targeted here and not as you say, and
42:01
Speaker 2: his Semites or those who have got really hateful things
42:06
Speaker 2: to stay in the public domain held accountable.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, this is exactly what's happening. And we only have
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Speaker 15: to go back a week here when we had the
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Speaker 15: Prime Minister actually talking about shutting down X totally in
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Speaker 15: the UK because he was unhappy about a couple of
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Speaker 15: incidents where groc had been used to create some unsavory images,
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Speaker 15: which you know, fair enough, it's a point to be
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Speaker 15: made and something that needs to be addressed. But he
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Speaker 15: was talking about literally closing down X and this is
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Speaker 15: the kind of draconian response that we're getting. Fortunately, the
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Speaker 15: issue we've got here, and I suspect you've probably got
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Speaker 15: the same issue in Australia, is that the elephants in
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Speaker 15: the room, and it has to be talked about is
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Speaker 15: radical Islam, and it doesn't get mentioned. We had a
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Speaker 15: situation three years ago where a very well respected MP
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Speaker 15: at one of his constituency surgeries was stabbed to death
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Speaker 15: and everybody was horrified, but the government immediately swept it
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Speaker 15: under the carpet and instead of talking about the incident
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Speaker 15: in detail, they started talking about online hate speech and
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Speaker 15: subsequently drafted this Online Safety Act, so it has no
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Speaker 15: effect on radicalized individuals and this is where they need
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Speaker 15: to start talking about it.
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Speaker 2: Terrific common sense. Juliane, thank you for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: We will come back to this issue and I'm sure
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Speaker 2: we'll speak to you again. There's a one of learning
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Speaker 2: there out of the UK. And he makes the point,
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Speaker 2: doesn't it. They're not talking about radical Islam. This is
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Speaker 2: a response to get it all off the agenda and
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Speaker 2: pretty much that's what's happening in Australia. And in of course,
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Speaker 2: certainly move by the Prime Minister on gun reform right
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Speaker 2: quick break after the break, good news for one nation,
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Speaker 2: not so good for the coalition. We'll get into that
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Speaker 2: in a moment. And the tricks that Labour's playing to
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Speaker 2: try and ram this bill through the Parliament. I'll get
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Speaker 2: you the latest on that in a moment. Okay, let's
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Speaker 2: just jump straight into it. Joining me in our One
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Speaker 2: Nation chief of Staff James Ashby, former Liberal Mpenakole Flint.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: But i'll tell you what, James, you'd be happy with
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Speaker 2: a start for you in the poll today twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: six with a rocket some of my guests at the
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Speaker 2: top of the show, we're making the point you're not
44:41
Speaker 2: now just taking votes off the coalition. You're picking up
44:44
Speaker 2: labor votes here for sure.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, that's what's evident in that polling, and it is
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Speaker 16: good to see that Labor voters have had just as
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Speaker 16: big a gutful of their own party that they're probably
44:57
Speaker 16: stuck with most of their lives.
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Speaker 6: Let's not forget Labour voters are very hard to move.
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Speaker 16: So Anthony Alberinezi has done a terrible job as Prime
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Speaker 16: Minister and even his own voters are saying enough's enough.
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Speaker 6: So look at twenty three percent, it's a.
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Speaker 16: Good start, Peter, but as you know, two years until
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Speaker 16: the polls, we've got a lot more work ahead of us.
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Speaker 16: We respect where the voters are placing their trust at
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Speaker 16: this point with One Nation, and we certainly respect that
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Speaker 16: and we thank.
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Speaker 6: Them for that.
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Speaker 16: But we have our work cut out for us over
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Speaker 16: the next two years, and we'll certainly deliver a whole
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Speaker 16: lot more clearer policy than both the two major parties.
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Speaker 2: Becaule, the Liberal moderates always say the base has got
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Speaker 2: nowhere to go on the base is walking. I'm not
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Speaker 2: yet convinced this is a permanent move. It could well
45:39
Speaker 2: be parked votes, but it's certainly devastating. It's certainly now
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Speaker 2: becoming a trend trend against the Coalition. And I'd also
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Speaker 2: make the point too, I mean, the Coalition only wins
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Speaker 2: if it gets the Howard Butler or the Abbot army.
45:53
Speaker 2: As James points out, there those labor voters that are
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Speaker 2: hard to shift, but they will vote on the Conservative
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Speaker 2: side if they think they're not getting what they need
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Speaker 2: from their own mob. It looks like they're getting them
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Speaker 2: there as well.
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Speaker 4: This is a worry, It is.
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Speaker 6: A huge worry, Peter.
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Speaker 10: And the Liberal Party's problem is actually that we're bleeding
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Speaker 10: votes to the left and to the right. So of
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Speaker 10: course we have the Tials who have taken and are
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Speaker 10: still holding a raft of key inner city traditionally liberal seats,
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Speaker 10: and we are seeing the threat from one nation as well.
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Speaker 10: So this For me, this always comes back to good policy.
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Speaker 10: If you have good policy, that is talking to the
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Speaker 10: Australian people about the issues that they care about and
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Speaker 10: we know exactly what they are at the moment. People
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Speaker 10: want to see strong leadership to get our country back
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Speaker 10: to where it has always been and I hope in
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Speaker 10: coming weeks and months we will see that leadership from
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Speaker 10: Susan Lee and her team.
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Speaker 2: James Joel Boss has raised concerns about a move by
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Speaker 2: Labor and the coalition with the Greens to gag and
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Speaker 2: guillotine legislation in the Senate this afternoon.
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Speaker 4: What's going on here?
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Speaker 16: Well, as you know, Peter, the Senate is the House
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Speaker 16: of Review and we have some very very serious legislation
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Speaker 16: that will impact almost four more than four million voters
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Speaker 16: out there, all are licensed, responsible, registered gun owners and
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Speaker 16: they are about to have their rights trashed tomorrow in
47:30
Speaker 16: as little as three hours to have that debate.
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Speaker 6: Parliament resumes in the Senate at two o'clock.
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Speaker 16: There'll be question time as usual, which will leave just
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Speaker 16: three hours until that guillotine on the gun reform is
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Speaker 16: legislated precisely six point thirty and then we move on
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Speaker 16: to the remainder of legislation which will again be guillotined
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Speaker 16: just after ten o'clock.
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Speaker 6: There is no time for review.
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Speaker 16: The second bill, which we're supposed to debate tomorrow has
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Speaker 16: not even been released full screut. We know the bill
48:01
Speaker 16: has been split for tomorrow, but we haven't seen the
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Speaker 16: detail in that second bill. So all we are saying
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Speaker 16: to this government, to the Coalition of the Greens, you've
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Speaker 16: obviously done a dodgy deal behind the scenes.
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Speaker 6: You do not care about due process.
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Speaker 16: That's what's been missing from our Parliament for far too
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Speaker 16: long now, and one nation of saying we want to
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Speaker 16: do the responsible thing. We want to know the detail
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Speaker 16: and we want to have a debate over a very
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Speaker 16: important legislation, whether it's this these two bills tomorrow or
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Speaker 16: whether it's future legislation that should be fleshed out in
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Speaker 16: the interest of the Australian people. But instead Labor, the
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Speaker 16: Coalition and the Greens have teamed up and said within
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Speaker 16: three hours enough to debate it.
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Speaker 6: It's not good enough.
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Speaker 2: The cole you're on the land. Where are you on
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Speaker 2: this surf firearm legislation?
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Speaker 6: Well, Peter, what.
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Speaker 10: Labor are doing on the guns legislation is lazy leadership
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Speaker 10: and lazy policy making. Let's just run through a few facts.
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Speaker 10: The last may buyback was after Port Arthur and we
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Speaker 10: needed it and John Howard did a magnificent job of
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Speaker 10: leading the country through a horrific tragedy. Now Labor is
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Speaker 10: claiming there are now a record number of guns and
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Speaker 10: gunnos and owners in Australia. Well, our population when we
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Speaker 10: had the last buyback was about seventeen million people. Our
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Speaker 10: population is now almost twenty eight million people. Of course
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Speaker 10: we have more guns in our nation. All this legislation
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Speaker 10: will do is punish law abiding gun owners because the
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Speaker 10: terrorists will not care what the law is. They will
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Speaker 10: break the law. They will try to kill and spot
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Speaker 10: off people however they can. So I'm vehemently opposed to it.
49:41
Speaker 10: I had an opinion piece that sky around just before Christmas,
49:45
Speaker 10: so I came out very early on this saying this
49:47
Speaker 10: legislation is bad legislation, It shouldn't go ahead, it shouldn't
49:51
Speaker 10: be passed. And also Peter, it is merely Labor trying
49:55
Speaker 10: to cover up a number of catastrophic failings on their
49:59
Speaker 10: behalf that began and when they failed to take any
50:01
Speaker 10: action on the protests that started at the Opera House
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Speaker 10: on the ninth of October. So we've seen protest after
50:08
Speaker 10: protests directed at our Jewish Australians. We've seen vandalism, we've
50:14
Speaker 10: seen synagogues bombed, we've seen people injured, and we have now,
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Speaker 10: of course seen the horrific, tragic event in December at
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Speaker 10: Bondi Labor. This is far too little, far too late,
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Speaker 10: and it is lazy policy making and lazy leadership.
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Speaker 4: All right, I'll have to leave it there. Thank you both.
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Speaker 4: I know you've got a hectic Senate period. Thank you James.
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Speaker 4: That's it for me.
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Speaker 2: Great to be back at the desk. Have a wonderful evening.
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Speaker 2: We're all back tonight. Andrew boltsub next see you tomorrow.