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The Late Debate | 19 November · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: General.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wait to pay a good evening. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and freyer Leitch coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The New Zealand government bans puberty blockers for children until
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  Speaker 2: more is known about the effects, which begs the question
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  Speaker 2: why is our government such a laggard in protecting children?
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  Speaker 2: A song written and performed entirely by Ai tops the
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  Speaker 2: billboard charts? Is this the end for the music industry?
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  Speaker 2: And the UK politicians have worn that their staff and
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  Speaker 2: family members are being targeted by Chinese spies offering large
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  Speaker 2: financial incentives for information. We'll get to all of that shortly,
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  Speaker 2: but first, can you name one thing the ABC is
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  Speaker 2: good at? Well, there is one thing, actually, cricket. The
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  Speaker 2: ABC summer cricket coverage has always been second to none,
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  Speaker 2: But wouldn't you know it, now the ABC have gone
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  Speaker 2: and managed to stuff up even that. News today that
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  Speaker 2: former test cricketing great Glenn McGrath has been dumped from
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  Speaker 2: the ABC's commentary team this season because of his links
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  Speaker 2: to betting agencies. Now that doesn't mean McGrath is a gambler.
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  Speaker 2: Glenn McGrath's charity that raises money to help women with
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  Speaker 2: breast cancer is sponsored by BET three six five and
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  Speaker 2: the ABC have decided this violates their policy that no
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  Speaker 2: one on the national broadcaster can be associated in any
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  Speaker 2: way with betting agencies. Now the irony here, Caleb is
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  Speaker 2: the ABC don't seem to have that many scruples, but
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  Speaker 2: when they do decide to take a principal stand, it's
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  Speaker 2: to penalize a man for doing no more than everything
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  Speaker 2: he can to help women in need. Can you believe this?
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  Speaker 3: Ridiculous, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, having a punch, just what's happened
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  Speaker 1: to my collar there? Why didn't anyone tell me.
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  Speaker 3: About that before I came on here?
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  Speaker 1: It's just a good Aussie past. I have a part
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  Speaker 1: most people.
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  Speaker 3: I get there are.
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  Speaker 1: People out there who are addicted to gambling, just like
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  Speaker 1: there are people who are addicted to alcohol. But we
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  Speaker 1: understand that the wine is integral to this country, and
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  Speaker 1: we sell a shed load of wine to China, and
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  Speaker 1: we encourage that. Governments encourage that. There's in trade delegations
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  Speaker 1: overseas to encourage that.
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  Speaker 3: Do you reckon? The ABC would turn around.
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  Speaker 1: And say, well, because you are involved in the wine
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  Speaker 1: industry which causes social ills to some degree.
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  Speaker 3: You're not allowed on the ABC.
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  Speaker 1: No, they wouldn't do that, but they've decided for some
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  Speaker 1: reason that gambling is extra evil. And so Glenn McGrath,
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  Speaker 1: who raises money for his McGrath Foundation because his wife
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  Speaker 1: died of breast cancer, and he funds breast care nurses
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  Speaker 1: that go out and do excellent work in remote parts
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  Speaker 1: of the country. In many cases, people who otherwise wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have someone there to care for them because of the
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  Speaker 1: McGrath Foundation can get someone on the clock who comes
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  Speaker 1: around and helps them anytime of the day or night.
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  Speaker 1: And bet three six' five sees fit to sponsor his
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  Speaker 1: mcgra day at The Sydney test and he does a
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  Speaker 1: bit of work for them in exchange as well ops
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  Speaker 1: up on the website every now and.
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  Speaker 3: Again there's a video.
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  Speaker 1: On their social media at the moment with him talking
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  Speaker 1: about the upcoming. Ashes oh, no, no, no, no you
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  Speaker 1: can't be a commentator on THE abc. ANYMORE i just
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  Speaker 1: find it outrageous you would not, that only that you
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  Speaker 1: would do that to such a great Of australian cricket
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  Speaker 1: And australian.
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  Speaker 3: Sport but a man who is raising money for.
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  Speaker 1: Breast cancer and he just happens to take it from
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  Speaker 1: the wrong Mod.
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  Speaker 4: Well it's also highly hypocritical because The ashes themselves are
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  Speaker 4: sponsored By bett three six y. Five they're a gold
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  Speaker 4: partner Of Cricket. Australia they're branding is on a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the sides of the. Stadium so THE abc is
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  Speaker 4: happy to broadcast an event and profit off an event
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  Speaker 4: that is sponsored by. Gambling but god, forbid one of
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  Speaker 4: its commentators has a completely separate personal relationship that is for,
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  Speaker 4: charity As caleb, says with one of these, companies then
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  Speaker 4: that's not okay if they were consistent and applied this rule. Consistently,
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  Speaker 4: well why is THE abc broadcasting The? Ashes why are
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  Speaker 4: they broadcasting any sport that has any link to, gambling
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  Speaker 4: because that would seem to be a more direct relationship
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  Speaker 4: than some guy whose charity gets money from a gambling.
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  Speaker 5: Company makes no, sense.
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  Speaker 2: Makes no sense at, All AND i, mean if you
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  Speaker 2: want to get, technical THE abc uses taxpayer. Money taxes
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  Speaker 2: come from the tobacco industry from the sale of, alcohol
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  Speaker 2: as you pointed, out so not that many taxes from
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  Speaker 2: the tobacco, industry diminishing TAX i saw you, smile AS i,
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  Speaker 2: said so it's a ridiculous stance for the AB c to. Hold,
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  Speaker 2: nevertheless the cricket season will go. Ahead it starts On
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  Speaker 2: friday In, Perth australia Versus. England the highlight of The
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  Speaker 2: Summer test, series, however is always The Boxing Day test In.
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  Speaker 2: MELBOURNE i remember it as a kid and my dad
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  Speaker 2: took me to a game AND i said, Please, dad
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  Speaker 2: and he. Agreed we sat In bay, thirteen which is
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  Speaker 2: the place to watch cricket at THE. Mcg it's where
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  Speaker 2: they have a lot of fun and there's been some
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  Speaker 2: incredible high lights over the. Years remember back in the,
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  Speaker 2: Eighties murhughs would field down on the boundary in front
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  Speaker 2: Of bay. Thirteen remember this footage with the crowd Mimicking
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  Speaker 2: murhus's warm up. Exercises mervehugh's standing in front Of bay
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  Speaker 2: thirteen and there's a bit of MINIGAME i think the wave.
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  Speaker 2: Is and then in nineteen ninety NINE i think it
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  Speaker 2: was you might correct. ME i think it was nineteen ninety.
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  Speaker 2: Nineties the crowd In bay thirteen started throwing bottles onto the,
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  Speaker 2: field outraged at The english team and they couldn't stop.
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  Speaker 2: It in, fact they almost needed to call the game.
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  Speaker 2: Off but then someone, said Get warny out of the
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  Speaker 2: dressing rooms onto the field to go to talk to
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  Speaker 2: all the crowd In bay. Thirteen and here's what.
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  Speaker 6: HAPPENED i think he's asked shame want to us the
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  Speaker 6: crowd to settle. Down he's gonna put the helm on on.
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  Speaker 5: Ha it's very, sad.
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  Speaker 6: Be very sad if the game doesn't go.
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  Speaker 2: On So bay thirteen is very much a part of,
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  Speaker 2: cricket especially The Boxing Day. Test, well THE mcg has
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  Speaker 2: gone and Allowed british cricket tourists to book all the
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  Speaker 2: seats In bay, Eleven bay twelve And bay, Thirteen so
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  Speaker 2: for the first time in An ashes, Series bay thirteen
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  Speaker 2: won't be occupied By. Ossie's it'll be entirely occupied by
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  Speaker 2: THE Bami. Army now this is Completely. UnAustralian could you, Imagine,
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  Speaker 2: freyer if you went to watch The ashes In? Lords
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  Speaker 2: do you reckon that Allow ossie cricket tourists to occupy
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  Speaker 2: the members stand At lord's not a. Chance why we're
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  Speaker 2: letting The poms HAVE b Thirteen i'm not.
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  Speaker 4: Sure and is it a matter of they just they were,
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  Speaker 4: organized they knew the. Prize bay thirteen they wanted to get.
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  Speaker 4: There maybe it's actually a psychological tactic to psych out
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  Speaker 4: The australian. Side there's something going on here AND i
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  Speaker 4: don't like. It that is our, Spot that is a
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  Speaker 4: place of Iconic australian sporting moments and it should remain that.
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  Speaker 4: Way this is clearly a tactic to destroy our side
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  Speaker 4: from within by taking our Prize bay, thirteen AND i
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  Speaker 4: don't think we should stand for.
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  Speaker 1: IT i, mean if you can't be a hooligan at
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  Speaker 1: the cricket, anymore what's gone wrong with the? PLACE i
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  Speaker 1: can you would have been a real hooligan as a
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  Speaker 1: kid In bay thirteen WHEN.
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  Speaker 3: I can see you there is one of those bloody bottle.
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  Speaker 2: THROWERS i. RECKON i was seven or eight years old
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  Speaker 2: and a guy ripped off all his clothes and jumped
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  Speaker 2: the fence round out of the. Field and you, know
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  Speaker 2: when you're little, kid you, go, yeah distinctly remember doing
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  Speaker 2: that In. Bath so the funny thing is that it's
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  Speaker 2: the worst place to sit right because the sun yeah
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  Speaker 2: on you all. Day so The Bamie army and The
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  Speaker 2: english are famously. Pale there will be a lot of lobsters.
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  Speaker 1: Pay for, it and deservedly so for Taking bay thirteen
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  Speaker 1: away from. Us though having said, that if anyone knows
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  Speaker 1: how to get on the source and be a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a nuisance Its, poms so.
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  Speaker 3: They may well fit in quite well In bay.
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  Speaker 1: Thirteen but you, know we need to go back to
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  Speaker 1: the old days WHERE i don't know what it was
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  Speaker 1: like at THE mcg But Adelaide oval you used to
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  Speaker 1: be able to take an eski in and you could
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  Speaker 1: take your own beers. In Right the only you, know
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  Speaker 1: the only ground left in the world cricket ground where
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  Speaker 1: you can take your own grog in Is lords and
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  Speaker 1: they ALLOW i think it's one bottle of wine per
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  Speaker 1: person per day OR i think three, beers AND i
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  Speaker 1: think we should bring that. BACK i know all the
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  Speaker 1: stadium management authorities would get upset because they'd run out
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  Speaker 1: of revenue from people paying fourteen dollars for a, beer
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  Speaker 1: WHICH i will be doing at The Adelaide test very.
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  Speaker 1: Shortly don't you worry about? That but never, mind the
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  Speaker 1: actually starts On friday And PERTH i can not. Wait
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  Speaker 1: so while we're talking About, melbourne, though interesting little story
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  Speaker 1: out Of melbourn over the last couple of days where
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  Speaker 1: a school down There Malona, college which is a co ed.
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  Speaker 1: School it's come out it's called a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: raucus because they have decided that next year their four
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  Speaker 1: school captains will all be.
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  Speaker 3: Girls it is a co ed.
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  Speaker 1: School in, fact fifty four percent of the students are,
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  Speaker 1: boys but all of the school captains will be. Girls
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  Speaker 1: and WHEN i first read, THIS i, thought, well you,
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  Speaker 1: know really gives a. TOSS i, mean surely they're elected
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  Speaker 1: by their. Peers if they've had an open and fair
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  Speaker 1: election and the students have chosen four, girls well that's just, meritocracy.
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  Speaker 1: Right but it turns out that the four school captains
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  Speaker 1: were actually chosen by the previous four school, captains so
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five captains got to choose the twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six. Captains the school captains this year comprised of
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  Speaker 1: three girls and one.
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  Speaker 3: Boy apparently they.
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  Speaker 1: Had some sort of application process and then from this
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  Speaker 1: they picked the ones that they wanted to be the
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  Speaker 1: school captains for the next. Year so on that, BASIS
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  Speaker 1: i do think it is a little bit unfair if
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  Speaker 1: it's a co ed. School, sure and the school argues
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  Speaker 1: that it was a meritocracy that they were these girls
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  Speaker 1: were chosen on, merit they were the best ones who
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  Speaker 1: put their hands up for the. Job but when you've
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  Speaker 1: got a selection panel of the current school captains who
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  Speaker 1: then get to pick the next school, CAPTAINS i, mean,
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  Speaker 1: LOOK i hate to go back to the school, yard
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  Speaker 1: but you, know you'd wonder do they pick? Mates have
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of things come into. It if it's free
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  Speaker 1: and fair and that's who the whole school has, CHOSEN
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  Speaker 1: i wouldn't have a problem with. It but if they're
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  Speaker 1: being chosen by a select, few surely the more than
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  Speaker 1: half of the school being, boys deserve some representation on
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  Speaker 1: the student representative.
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  Speaker 2: Body even if it was a free and fair election
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  Speaker 2: of all the, STUDENTS i would still have a problem
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  Speaker 2: with it because school captains have traditionally always been you
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  Speaker 2: have a male captain and you have a female. Captain
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  Speaker 2: since eighteen hundreds when school captains was introduced In english,
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  Speaker 2: schools it's always been that. Way could you imagine if
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  Speaker 2: the four captains in this school In, Mitchen victoria were all?
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  Speaker 2: Males could you imagine the? Outcry what is ironic to
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  Speaker 2: me is gender Equality. Victoria were asked about, this now
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  Speaker 2: you know gender Equality, victoria and they, said this is
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  Speaker 2: a great win for, meritocracy so all of a, sudden
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  Speaker 2: they're all in favor of. Merit, basically this school is
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  Speaker 2: saying we are failing in the education of boys if
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  Speaker 2: they can't find a single male in that school who
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  Speaker 2: is worthy of being a captain or even a vice.
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  Speaker 2: Captain if you had a, son would you want to
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  Speaker 2: send your kid to that?
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  Speaker 4: School, WELL i mean that's the thing you, Said, well
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  Speaker 4: this is an example of, merit but there should be
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  Speaker 4: there should be men up.
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  Speaker 2: There but then if the male captaincy was a, Female.
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  Speaker 4: But then isn't that the same argument that people use
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  Speaker 4: to support quotas in The Liberal party or quotas in
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  Speaker 4: any aspect on, boards for, Example.
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  Speaker 2: It's different because you traditionally have a male and a female.
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  Speaker 4: Captain so why why should that be the? Tradition it's
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  Speaker 4: always been that, way it hasn't.
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  Speaker 5: Been can it be about Merit if we're.
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  Speaker 2: Ditching the boy as the boys captain and you have
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  Speaker 2: the best girl as the girls.
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  Speaker 5: Okay well it's.
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  Speaker 4: Merit my problem with this IS i think it should
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  Speaker 4: be about merit and it shouldn't really depend on. Gender
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  Speaker 4: BUT i think what this does demonstrate is that women
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  Speaker 4: are outperforming, men or young women are outperforming young men.
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  Speaker 5: In, schools and this is a huge.
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  Speaker 4: Problem boys are failing naplan at double the rate of.
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  Speaker 4: Women sixty percent of undergraduate students are. Women women are
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  Speaker 4: completing university at higher rates than. Men they're out earning
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  Speaker 4: men in their, twenties and this is a huge. Challenge
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  Speaker 4: SO i think what this does. Demonstrate, yes maybe they
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  Speaker 4: were picked on, merit and good on. Them i'm sure
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  Speaker 4: they're formidable women in their own, right but it does
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  Speaker 4: demonstrate something deeper and more, sad which is what's happening
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  Speaker 4: to all the. Boys and, again when three out of
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  Speaker 4: the four selectors the previous captains were, women are they
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  Speaker 4: choosing women because they feel kind of like an affinity
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  Speaker 4: with other members of their own.
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  Speaker 5: GENDER i think.
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  Speaker 4: So and, unfortunately as institutions become dominated by, women you
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  Speaker 4: do tend to see classically feminine traits elevated above classically masculine,
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  Speaker 4: traits so things like agreeableness become more. Rewarded and another
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  Speaker 4: aspect is as. Well when schools become dominated by women
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  Speaker 4: in leadership roles like principles and, executives students then see
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  Speaker 4: that as the ideal form of, leadership and might then
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  Speaker 4: subconsciously go women a better place to be leaders than,
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  Speaker 4: men and THEREFORE i want a female school captain over
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  Speaker 4: a male school.
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  Speaker 5: Captain so it might be. Meritorious i'm sure it, is
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  Speaker 5: but it does say a lot about what's happening to,
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  Speaker 5: boys AND i guess.
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  Speaker 3: It also depends what you think the role of the
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  Speaker 3: school captain.
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  Speaker 1: Is you, KNOW i do with some bog standard to public,
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  Speaker 1: school nothing against the high school if you happen to be.
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  Speaker 3: Watching so we didn't have all of that sort of.
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  Speaker 1: Business but if the point of the school happens to
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  Speaker 1: some degree that they are meant to be role, models
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  Speaker 1: then there is an argument that you need a gender
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  Speaker 1: mix because if they're the students you should look up,
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  Speaker 1: to and the school comprises of fifty four percent. Boys
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  Speaker 1: not to say that boys cannot look up to other,
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  Speaker 1: girls but there are just as girls like to look
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  Speaker 1: to female role, models males also like to look to
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  Speaker 1: male role, models and they're often denied that in their
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  Speaker 1: teachers because there are far more female teachers than there
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  Speaker 1: are male.
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  Speaker 3: Teachers and so.
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  Speaker 1: There's a good argument that they ought to have some
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  Speaker 1: male students to look up to as, well and so
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  Speaker 1: when you, say well the cream of the crop and
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  Speaker 1: the school is all, girls regardless of whether or not
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  Speaker 1: that that may will be, true but it only perpetuates
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  Speaker 1: this problem of boys doing worse than.
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  Speaker 6: Girls.
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  Speaker 2: YEAH i think the issue is not that they elected four.
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  Speaker 2: Girls the issue is at the, school for whatever, reason
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  Speaker 2: chose to do away with the tradition of a male
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  Speaker 2: captain and a female. CAPTAIN i think it's a bad.
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  Speaker 4: Idea, yeah, well it's pretty Sad New zealand though some
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: very good news for young. People The New zealand government
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  Speaker 4: has stopped prescribing or allowing the prescription of puberty blockers for.
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  Speaker 5: Children the leader Of New Zealand.
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  Speaker 4: First, party which is in a governing coalition with The
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: New Zealand National, Party Winston, peters said today the government
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  Speaker 4: has announced it is halting any new prescribing of puberty.
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  Speaker 4: Blockers New Zealand first was the only party that campaigned
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: around the country about stopping the use of puberty blockers in, children.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: And we never stopped fighting to make this.
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  Speaker 4: Happen it is common sense to put a pause on
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  Speaker 4: these unproven and potentially damaging drugs for children until we
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  Speaker 4: assess the results of the clinical trials in THE uk
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  Speaker 4: once it's. COMPLETED i, mean this is a huge win
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  Speaker 4: for vulnerable children In New. Zealand and the truth Is
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  Speaker 4: New zealand is now joining a growing number of countries
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  Speaker 4: that is putting a halt on this, experimental potentially very damaging.
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  Speaker 4: Treatments we've got THE, uk all of The nordic, countries THE,
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  Speaker 4: us everyone is moving in the direction of saying hold,
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  Speaker 4: on we have gone way too far. Here the truth
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  Speaker 4: is kids can't consent to this. Stuff if you're not
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  Speaker 4: old enough to get a, tattoo why are you old
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  Speaker 4: enough to change your, gender or get a double misectomy
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  Speaker 4: or go on puberty blockers that potentially have long term
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  Speaker 4: impacts on your.
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  Speaker 5: Fertility children don't understand these. Concepts so good On New.
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  Speaker 2: Zealand, YEAH i, mean we've got the ridiculous situation now
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  Speaker 2: In australia where a kid is too young and immature
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  Speaker 2: to go On, instagram but is perfectly able to decide
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  Speaker 2: to change, genders which would require potentially surgery and certainly
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: pharmaceuticals for the rest of their. Life it's just not
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  Speaker 2: a smart. Move and you wonder why is The australian
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  Speaker 2: government stuck on this and refusing to acknowledge that there
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  Speaker 2: are very serious, questions and that's being generous about this.
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  Speaker 2: Treatment you wonder if it's that they are more afraid
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  Speaker 2: of activists than they are of harming. Children that's the
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  Speaker 2: simple reality as it occurs to.
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  Speaker 1: Me, indeed AND i went to the FIRST cask, conference
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  Speaker 1: it's a Coalition Advancing Scientific care In, ADELAIDE bet a
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  Speaker 1: month ago and maybe a bit over a month, ago
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: that looked at all of this gender medicine from a
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: well largely from a gender critical. Perspective and there was a,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Pediatrician dylan's his first. Name the surname suits me at this,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: moment but he spoke about and he was, excellent and
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: he spoke about the fact that this is the only
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: form of healthcare where we actually create some sort of
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: hormonal imbalance in a. Patient in any other, circumstances if
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: you have a hormonal, imbalance you go to a doctor
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: and a doctor does something to fix. That and this
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: is in fact where we inflict it upon the patient
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: because we, believe for some reason or another that mentally
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: doing physical damage to a patient is actually the best
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: thing for, them and the potential long term effects of
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: this are stark and the studies are. Ongoing of, course
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: we know what happened with The cash report in THE.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Uk we know That, queensland thank, god is the only
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: place here In australia that has slapped a ban on
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: puberty blockers temporarily. Anyway but you know it affects the bone, density,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: RIGHT i, mean going through puberty causes so many important
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: things to happen in your, body to develop your adult,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: body bone, density, hormones all sorts of things that are
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: terribly important to your. Development and we put a drag
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: in your body that halts all of, that and we're
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: meant to believe that that does not or could not
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: cause any.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Damage to a human. BEING i, mean that is simply.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Impossible again that the science is catching up with, this
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: and the rest of the world is catching up with.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: This why Is australia so far? Behind when you've got
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: across the, ditch you know one of our closest neighbors
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: is doing away with.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: It we've got our closest ourllies over.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: In THE uk doing away with this, stuff and we
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: are by and large still In australia pretending that all is.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Normal we're not looking at what's happening in the rest
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: of the. World there's nothing wrong with gender affirming. Care
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: it's the best thing to. Do lop off your breasts.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Whatever largely that happens to, ADULTS i should. Note but
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: STILL i just cannot get over how far behind the
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: eight ball we, are AND i reckon in a year
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: two years, time we will be sitting, here not us
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: because we're talking about it, now but a lot of
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: people will be sitting here, going my, god we got
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that really.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Wrong and of course there is one notable exception In,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: australia and that is THE lnp government In, queensland who've
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: copped a lot of flak for taking a stance on this.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Issue but good on. THEM i wish other state premiers
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: would take a lift out of their. Book let's talk
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: about the music, industry because everyone's SAYING ai is going
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to transform every part of, society but it's also going
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: to turn culture on its. Head more and more music
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: in particular is produced by artificial. Intelligence in, fact the
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: number one song on The country Charts Billboard charts right
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: now is a song Called Walk My, walk which is
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: entirely produced the, lyrics the, music and the voice by artificial.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Intelligence have a listen and see if you like.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: It you can gig.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: Ups if you don't like HOW i.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Talk i'm on key on talking and walk my hate
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: changing my, tone hate changing my.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: SONG i was born this Will we've been allowed too long.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Now it sounds pretty hollow and soulless to, me but
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: maybe that's an. Anomaly have listened to another. One this
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: is Called dust on The wind again by A ai
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: band Called Velvet, sundown which is really not the, band
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: it's just a. Computer four hundred Thousand spotify downloads in
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: a month for, This.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: NO pas found really.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Rare the drum's.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Wrong, also.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: Tell, me, brother where do we?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: GO i listened to? That it's. Soulless you listen to the,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: lyrics it's just sort of meaningless. Rhyme and yet people
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: are listening to this. Stuff LIKE i, said the first
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: clip we, played that's the number one song on The
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: billboard charts right. Now is it that people can't tell the,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: difference or is it the people really just don't care that?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Much and music is kind of. Music it's in the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: background and you just play.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: It that was just so.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: BORING i, mean you listen to that and it's, like,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: YEAH i can tell this is written BY.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Ai it's got a nice. Beat you're kind of, like,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: oh it's.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: A bit, groovy but it's. Boring it's nothing. New it
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: clearly a computer generated. That so if you want to
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: listen to boring stuff that will sort of put you to,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: sleep then go for.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: It listen TO ai. Music but that's not. Art it really, isn't.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: AND i don't think that's going to like, hope it
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: doesn't replace artists because artists create and artists reflect the human.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Experience that's something you cannot capture in a. Computer BUT
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: i will push back on you a little bit, There,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: JAMES i think there is actually ONE ai generated song
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: that everyone should stream twenty four to seven.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: And brain On God.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: News shouting through them to the Same we hold them
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: to a count every promise in every clan With james Kal,
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: Fraids God, News Land voiceless be.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: On plane that.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Quality if we get enough positive audience, feedback we may
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: be able to release that On Spotify stage tune, guys maybe.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Stream that twenty four to.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Seven if you hate yourself and you wish you weren't,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: alive this IS i am so upset about. THIS i,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: mean what was that? One dust on the? Wind and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the last lyric replied was you, know, brother where do we?
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Go we're on a highway to? HELL i. THINK i,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: mean this is so.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Sad and this is the, question as you, ask is
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: it because people don't care that it's generated BY? Ai
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: or can they not tell the difference between THE ai
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and the real? Thing BECAUSE i have to admit some
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: of it is pretty, lifelike and.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: You, listen but you've got to listen from. It you
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: get something just doesn't seem quite.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Right it's a little too. PERFECT i know everything's auto
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: tuned to buggery, now but something's just a little too
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: perfect or isn't quite. Right And i've noticed this now
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: On spotify in, particular and that's where these two songs
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: have taken.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Off you can.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Get a playlist every, week what's it Called Discover, weekly
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and it just gives you a playlist of twenty or
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: thirty songs that it thinks you might, like and it
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: changes every. Week AND i like to tune in of
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: A monday and see what it's chosen for, me AND i,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: go like that song And i'll put that in a
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: playlist and stuff increasingly it is giving ME ai generated.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: SONGS i reckon the other, DAY i turned that playlist
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: on and the first five songs it played.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Were Aar how did you know that they were?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: On, WELL i picked up that something didn't seem quite,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: right and then you go and have a. Look the
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: telltale sign is you click on the artist that the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: graphic that the artwork is usually some sort of nondescript,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: thing and it'll have some rubbish, name and when you
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: click on the, artists it'll, say you, know everything that
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: they put up was put up in twenty twenty, five
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and there won't be a photo of an actual human,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Being and then you're pretty sure IT'S. Ai and there's
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: so many of. Them AND i was driving into work
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and this was going, on and by the Time i'd
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: gone through five of these, SONGS i was like about
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: to ram up the arts of the person in front of.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Me because music is meant to speak to as you
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: say about, art it is meant to.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Speak to the human.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Experience it's meant to be touched by and created for human.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Beings it's meant to communicate things and emotions that we
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: cannot put into normal, words that can only be expressed through.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Music it's me to make you feel. Emotions if you feel.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Sad you listen to sad, music you listen to happy.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Music that's what music is.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: For going to see a, concert to see someone perform,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: live to see.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: The brilliance of someone you.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Know you go and See Billy joel played, piano, MAN
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: i mean that would be heaven for, you, Right.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah you travel the world to see exactly.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Exactly but now we've GOT ai. Music who wants?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: That there is one? Exception, Okay so there's a poet
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: who lives IN i Think, mississippi and she writes, poetry
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: but she can't, sing can't write, music so she's been
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: putting her poetry to music VIA. Ai she's just been
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: given a three million dollar record contract by a recording.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: COMPANY i went and listened to that this. START i
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: got to admit it was actually very. Good BUT i
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: think the difference was this her lyrics were brilliant rot
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: and the lyrics were about the pain of her. Life
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and the music was actually pretty. Good it was ALL ai,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: produced but there was that human. Dimension and the other
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: THING i think IS i knew that she had a
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: person had written the. Lyrics so this was from another
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: human beings, experience and so it meant, something WHEREAS ai
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: is just meaningless because it's just it's.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Generated and there is one telltale sign that you can
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: always hear in AN ai generated, song and it's that
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: the singer never takes a.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Breath you can listen to.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: That they go through the whole, verse the whole, chorus
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: and they're just still, going putting out these perfect notes
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: without a single. Breath it just removes the character and
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: soul from.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Music i'll tell you someone who seems to want to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: excelerate to all THIS ai.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Music that's The Sydney Lord Mea Clover.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Moore because The Sydney City council recently made a decision
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: that you couldn't busk where you wanted In sydney. Anymore,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: previously the rules were you could busk anywhere as.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Long as it was safe to do.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So but, no along comes the party Pooper clovermore and she,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: says can't do that. Anymore and they slapped all these
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: restrictions On George street and said you could only busk
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: in six special places that they, chose and you had
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: to apply for a permit in order to do.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: It if you don't apply for the.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Permit we'll send you a fine because of course we
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: need to find more ways to revenue.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Raised right, well thank.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: God the men's government In New South wales has turned
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: around and, said clovermore up, yours how dare you do?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: This and they have now designated sixteen new sites.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: In THE cbd where you can go and.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: BUSK i, mean they're basically, look it's not the same
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: as once where you could busk. Anywhere but the state
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: government is coming in over the top and, saying, look
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: if you're going to be that restrictive about, it we're
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: just going to make our own.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Rules bugger.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: You because of, course busking is where so many musicians.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Start Now i'm not necessarily SAYING i Like tones AND
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: i because it's not my cup of, tea But tones AND,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: i who was a hugely Successful australian, artist started as a.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Buscer it's where so many people get their. Stuff they
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: can go out and peddle their wares in front of the.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Public some of them sell CDs and where every now
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and again you stop and you, go, jeez isn't this.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Nice i'm walking through the city and there's some nice.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Music it lifts your mood during the. Day But Clover moore, says,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: no can't have. That so thank god the state government, says,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: actually you should be able to play music in.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Public the other thing about, busking it does lift your
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: mood if it's, good and if it's really, bad it's highly.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Entertaining way you. Win the irony here is That Clover
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: moore is all about stimulating activity and culture within THE
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: cbd and then she shuts down. Busking she's having to
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: reconsider this decision and says she will because there's been
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: such a. Backlash speaking of, backlash it's been reported that
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: the complaints they got about buskers On George street which
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: led to the band From Clover, moore five people had
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: made MORE PuF of the complaints to. Counsel so this
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: is another example of a few wines and whiners getting
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: way more attention than they should ever have, gotten and
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: everybody else has to pay for.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: It that's always how it.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Is it's the, nimbi's it's the anti fund that team
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: up with the anti fund, counsel The Police. Society for
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: the rest of, us it is. Horrible thank, Goodness Chris
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: means is like the one sensible labor premiere in the
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: history Of australia.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: And has actually.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Gone this is ridiculous And i'm Glad clovermore is now
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: under pressure to reverse. This but, seriously how did we
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: get here in the first. Place but more controversy over
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: in THE uk this time a bar In Greater manchester
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: has some very strange entry.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Requirements one of them is that.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: They will not accept people entering the bar by.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Themselves you have to be in a.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Group they will not let you come in if you
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: are a singular. Individual here is the owner of the
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: bar explaining why.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: If someone is on their, own and it means that
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: they're not with someone, else so if something happens to
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: that person in a late, night busy bar environment where
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: people are, drinking it's an absolute nightmare for us to deal.
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: With it also happens to be the case that sometimes
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: if you let people in on their, own there's the
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: reason why they're on their own is that they've got
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: them one to talk. To they start maysing other groups
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: because they're not just going to sit there in a
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: bar having a drink on the road in, silence and
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: that's when things starts, happening and people, like who's this
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: person on their own annoying.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Us SO i.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Guess what he's really trying to say through that is,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: basically if you try to go to a bar on.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Your, own you're a, loser and.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: We don't want you in here because then you're going
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: to try to talk to people and people will realize
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: you're a, loser and we don't want.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: Losers that's not.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: True that's not what he's said at.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: All basically what he said a couple of.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Points, firstly his, bar his. Rules we always, promote you,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: know it's your businessp right to run the way you.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Want so there's, that but we can criticize. It but he's.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Providing a service for people who don't want to be
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: annoyed by that person who's gotten too drunk and they're
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: looking for someone to talk.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: To.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: You do you remember a Night, YEAH i can tell you.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: REMEMBER i know the half for the late. Debate, you
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: myself And Liz Store we all went down to a
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: local pub and we had a drink and there was
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: this guy who'd had far too many and he was
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: on his own and desperate for someone to talk, too
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: and we could not get rid of, them and it
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: was getting more and more awkward until finally security came,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: off saved, us and moved him. On that's what this
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: guy is trying to protect people. FROM i think it's fair, enough.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah BUT i mean look in those, instances security should
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: just intervene a lot. Earlier but you are, right it
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: is his. Bar he can do with it what he.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Wishes And i've always, said you, know a private business
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: should be able to Say i'm not letting you in
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: BECAUSE i don't like.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: The fact you've got blue hair or that you've got green.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: EYES i really don't.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Care it's your, business your, rules go for. It what
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: annoys me about, it, though is THAT i think it
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: speaks to a general societal decline in aid the way
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: we drink and be the way we meet. People BECAUSE
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: i get, it if someone is drunken, DISORDERLY i mean
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: they should just be kicked out of a venue, anyway
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't even be there annoying other.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: People but how you meant to meet people these?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: DAYS i, mean what the hell is a bar for
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: if you can't go in on your own and sit
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: down and find someone else to have a drink. WITH i,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: mean for time, immemorial that is how people have met each.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Other it's how couples.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Meet they go to, pubs they go to a nightclub,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: whatever they have a. Pash next, thing they're off and
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: married and having, kids and you meet at. PARTIES i,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: mean my parents meet at a. Party this is how.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Things have always been.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Done and now we have someone SAYING i don't want
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: people meeting in my, bar AND i get, it he's
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: well within his rights to do, that BUT i think
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: that's kind of sad that we're now creating spaces that
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: are off limits for.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: You to go in and have a drink on your.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Own by the, way sometimes a solitary drink is actually
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a really enjoyable thing to do if you don't want
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: to be bothered by anyone else in the, world and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: you want to go and take a book to the pubbles,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: like why?
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Not why? Not why?
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Not you get all the single people hanging around the
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: steps outside waiting for people to come, out and.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Can we pretend? Together all, Right we're.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Going to go to THE, uk where a shocking legal
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: case has just confounded everybody associated with. IT a mom
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: has gone to court wanting to change the surname of
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: her six year old, daughter and you can kind of
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: understand why she might want to change her daughter's. Surname
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: mum is estranged from the, husband who has a history
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: of sexual abuse against the, mum including a conviction of
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: raping the. Mother not only, that but the father of
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: the girl had threatened to kill the mum in her
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: sleep with a knife and to kill their daughter as.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Well this man has not had anything to do with
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: his daughter since she was two years. Old she's now.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Six mom wants to change the girl's, surname presumably so
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: they can get on and forget this, loser deadbeat dad
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: who's been hell for. Them but the judge has ruled
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: that the mother can't change her daughter's surname because it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: the only link she has to her, father and so
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: it's very important that the name be. Kept this to,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: me is a massive overreach of judicial, authority and if,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: anything it perpetuates the abuse that the father has already
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: committed on the girl by settling her with a surname
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: that no one in good conscience would want for.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: HER i totally understand the. Concern, however these cases are very.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Complex there wasn't from my reading of this, case there
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: wasn't a conviction of sexual abuse it was found at
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: a civil standard of, proof so on the balance of
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: probabilities in a civil. Court it was a fact finding
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: exercise by the family.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Court nothing.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Criminal the allegations only appeared after the husband initiated divorce.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Proceedings that's a classic tactic that's been used in the
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: family court by often by women who want to remove
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: their child from the custody of the. Father and SO
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: i do understand the, concern BUT i would say our
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: court system has become so anti father in the family court,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: system THAT i understand why the judge would, say, no
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: you should actually preserve a link to your. Dad you
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: should opt for contacts where you can like that is
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: a very important, relationship even if it's, hard even if it's,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Difficult depriving a child of their father is not a good,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: solution especially when there's nothing criminal that's been actually.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Convicted there are absolutely circumstances where a child should be
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: deprived of their father if a father is. Abusive AND
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: i know someone who deals with these cases in the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: family and assesses these cases in the family, court and
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: it is exceedingly hard and difficult. Work and in most,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: cases you look for a solution for a child to
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: be able to have a link to both, parents but
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: there are situations where that is simply not, possible and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: the father has been barred by law from having contact
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: with the mother and the daughter for the past four.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Years SO i think the mum has a legitimate.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Argument, Yes but What i'm saying is that it's complex
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: and it's easy to look at this and, go, oh of,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: course you know they should change the last. Name but
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: we also have to acknowledge that men are being treated
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: really badly in our family courts.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: System that is true to some, degree but you, know
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: in some, CASES i think the kid should just be
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: able to get on with her.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Life, hey quickly before we get to the.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Brag while we're in THE uk as, WELL MPs or
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: relations of and their staff is being targeted By chinese.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Spies would you believe?
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: It say it ain't, So, Caleb yes it is. True
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: but they're offering the latest reports our large financial incentives
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: now to get deep throats on, board be they advisors
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to MP's family members OF MPs for.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Pretty low level.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Information seemingly this is coming from M i five because they, think,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: well if we can get them on board at the
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: lower end and we'll give them a lot of money
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: to do. It then we'll just slowly work on, them
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and then we'll get state secrets and the pillow talk
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and all this sort of stuff out. Them these are
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the people That Anthony albanezi says are our. Friends and you,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: know sometimes you keep your enemies close and your friends
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: clos your enemies. Closer you, know we've got to be
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: really stick about What china is and What china. Does
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: as much as they may be a great trading, partner
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: they're doing this in THE.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Uk do you think they're not doing it In.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Australia absolutely they. Are we're going to go to the.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Break when we come, back we'll look at what's making headlines,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: tomorrow including the shocking story of a ninety one year
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Old victorian woman denied an ambulance after a horrific. Fall
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: will show you that story after, This welcome back to the.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Program let's take a look at what's making headlines in tomorrow's.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Papers we'll start With The Herald's, son a shocking. Story
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the headline, reads not sick enough only ambulance in area
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: refuses to take ninety one year old with brain bleed
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to hospital after horror. Fall the story reads that the
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: family of a ninety one year old great grandmother is
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: furious as you would, be after she was forced to
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: make her own way to hospital despite suffering a broken
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: pelvis and bleeding on the brain in a. Fall, now
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: she was attended to by, paramedics but they advised the
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: lady and her family that they were the only ambulance
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: in the region and therefore couldn't take her on the
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: eight minute drive to The Warrigal. Hospital, NOW i just
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: need to warn you it's quite disturbing the image we're
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: going to. Show but let's just blow up that photo
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: so you can see the extent of this ninety one
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: year old lady's. INJURIES i, mean, clearly she's been so
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: badly hurt from this. Fall AS i, said attended to by,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: paramedics but then told you and your family will have
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: to get yourself to hospital where the only ambulance we
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: can't take. You it was only an eight minute. Drive
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: we do that for a ninety one year.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Old this just.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Shows you THAT i think the state Of, victoria, unfortunately
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: this is not an uncommon story that we hear coming
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: out of the, state where the health system and particularly
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: the ambos are so stretched that they can't even drive
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: you eight minutes down the road when clearly she's had
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: a horrific, fall she's broken her. Pelvis so what a
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: ninety one year old woman with a brain bleed and
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: a broken pelvis is expected to get in her car
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: and drive herself or what get an uber public? TRANSPORT i,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: mean how ridiculous Is this is the basic function of
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: the state to care for the most, vulnerable and they have.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: Failed it's just.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: EXTRAORDINARY i, mean The drui And warrigal area isn't. Small
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: it's a reasonable town. Center it's got a, hospital it's
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: got nursing homes and whatever. Else so there is demand
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: for ambulances and there's one ambulance, available and on that
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: basis they can't take a ninety one year old woman
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: with a brain. BLEED i, mean clearly they need more.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Balances these things should be so. Simple and Now i've
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: said so many. Times if you can't trust the state
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: government to be on top of really basic service provision like,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: this how do we trust them with anything?
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Else the treaty's going, great it's, right exactly.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Right, well that total joke in The australian, tomorrow the
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: headline is net zero medicine may kill. PATIENT a AND
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: zed chief banking GIANT a AND zed has warned that
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: hitting net zero missions by twenty fifty could be the
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: medicine that kills the. Patient As Anthony almanzi faces pressure
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: to phase out fossil fuels entirely to boost his chances
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: of hosting next YEAR'S Un Climate, summit AND zed chief
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Executive Nuno matos said the world faced a very difficult
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: journey to hit the mid century climate goal amid growing
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: investor in business pushback on the ability to reach. Targets
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: the big form bank boss said the drive towards decarbonization
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: needed to be.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: BALANCED i think.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Finally we're hearing a mainstream corporate leader In australia saying
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: what we've all kind of known for many years. Now
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: but for the AN zed chief executive to actually come
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: out and say, that it's pretty, big.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: And especially after THE cba boss yesterday talked about the
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: need to get immigration under.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Control, YEAH i, know it's amazing and THE nabs quoted
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: in here as well as saying that you might have
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: overseas banks coming in and lending to the gas sector
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: because the big banks here are refusing to do. SO i,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: mean you, know we are cutting off our noses to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: spite our. Faces and AS i said last, night when
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: big banks are starting to blow the whistle on, this
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: we know how.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Corporate australia has been over the last few.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Years you, know there is a bit of a shift
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: in the tone and the culture while we're talking about climate.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Change thank, god try this one on for size on
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the front of the advertisers. Tomorrow all those mayors have
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: been gallivanting around it AT cop thirty one because they
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: want to get THE cop conference In adelaide next. Year
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: well how about this bon VOYAGE.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Cop the bills lose.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Summit millions spent trying to attract THE cop climate summer
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: To adelaide appear to have gone up in. SMOKE i,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: mean to stand off Between australia And turkey that could
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: deliver the fifty thousand delegate conference to the compromise city Of, Bonn.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Germany how good is? THAT i mean? Brilliant?
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: What oh?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Fantastic so we've been spending all this, Money you've Got
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: peter Mel anauskas and The Prime, minister all the mayor's going.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Up so we WANT cop Pin adelaide and we're fighting
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: With turkey for, it and the bloody crowds come in
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: at the last. Minute i'll just had eyed because i
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: cannot get over.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: It.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yep another example Of albanezy government. Waste let's go to
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the front page of The Daily. Telegraph exclusive damning secret
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: report reveals men's vision for More. Park that's the golf
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: course In sydney is in the Rough caddiwact is the.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Headline The premier has been warned his vision to up
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: More park golf course for an elaborate parkland makeover will
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: cost almost two hundred and fifty million, dollars which is
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: five times what he claims the government will. Spend the
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: state's own secret business case for the redevelopment of More
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: park obtained By Day telegraph. Advisors it will take massive public.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Expenditure little wonder that the government did not want this
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: business case. Released the more this goes, on the more
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: they just need to accept the fact we've got a
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: beautiful eighteen whole, course leave it the way it, is
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: and we've already got gardens in That parlan city, anyway and.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: The whole process was a.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Sham we covered the story about how Chris mins had
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: already announced his plans while public consultation was still, ongoing
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: so it's clear how much respect Chris mins holds for
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: the community In sydney clearly very. Little in The mercury,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: tomorrow the headline is Please, louise a homemark counselor found
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: to have breached the local government code of conduct for
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: using the term, virus plans to challenge the decision in
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: the federal.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: Court Luise elliot.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Has been sanctioned for using the term made popular BY
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: us Businessman Elon musk in a social media post expressing
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: her opposition to flying The palestinian flag Outside hobart's town.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: Hall But Miss elliott says she engaged A sydney law
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: firm to take the matter to the federal court and
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: has launched a fundraising campaign towards the one hundred and
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: twenty thousand dollars cost of the.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: CASE i mean good on.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Her it is a mind virus to fly A palestinian
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: flag In.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Hobert this is. Nuts another counselor got all upset with
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: her because she had implied that they had mental. Illness
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: everyone knows that woke mind virus is not a literal mental.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Illness but that's what she was accused, of and the
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: standards committee or whoever they, are upheld The.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: How is this not a free speech? Case?
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Anyway she's a, counselor she's posting on social. Media she
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: can say whatever she.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Wants, well that counselor who made that complaint is unhere
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: on the front of The Gold Coast bullet and tomorrow played.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Them content creator promises to send spit to.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Schoolies what the?
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Hell controversial adult content Creator Bonnie blue has revealed she
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: will not be coming To australia For schoolies twenty twenty.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Five in an exclusive interview with This, Maskedthead The British
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: national said a recent interview With The Current, affair which
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: implied her return to the school leavers, celebrations was twisted
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: By australian media outlets to her. BENEFIT i only, implied she.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: SAID i SAID i had good lawyers AND i was
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: going to do.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Schoolies the reporter managed to read so far in between the,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: lines she's previously come, down she does. Pornography she's come
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: down and filmed stuff with young men at schoolies to
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: put on her pornographic. Platform, oh it was all a
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: ruse of for goodness, sake, serious.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Will we end on a good news? Story she's, Not
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Thank god for. That we're going to take a break
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: when we come. Back caleb Attended John law's funeral today
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: and he's going to give us a first hand account after. This,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: well of, course today there was a state funeral for
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Broadcaster John. Laws it was a big. Event the who's
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: who of media and politics were, there including our Own Caleb.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: BOOK i wouldn't call me the who's, who BUT i
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: did want to go down and pay my respects to
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the great.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: MAN i spoke to him a few times on the.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Radio in, fact you can even see me in that shopped.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: There but he was half the REASON i got into,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: broadcasting got interested in media because a young man listening
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to the radio and he was just a master of the.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Game and that was part of what inspired me to
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: go into the. Business SO i Thought i'd better go
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and pay my. Respects and it was a wonderful, service great.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Service Russell crowe was. Hilarious he gave the, eulogy spoke really,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: well including a few jokes like.
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: THIS a long long time, Ago john asked me IF
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: i would speak at his. FUNERAL i, said, yes and
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: then he just kept on living year after year after.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Year and he goes on to say that he lived
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: for so long that he thought he'd lost the. Gig
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: he didn't think he was going to be able to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: speak at his funeral. Anymore but of course rest his
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: history and we got to see. There John williamson got
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: up and Sang True. Blue you might have seen. That
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Paul murray played it at the end of his. Program
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: his voice is holding up exceedingly. Well Paul warren another
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: good friend of. Laws he was the son Of Peter,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: warren who many people In sydney would, know you Know
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Peter Warren. Motors spoke really well and it was just a,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: lovely lovely service and they opened With El, presidente which
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: was his opening, tune and finished With Roger, miller which
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: he always finished his show.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: On so it was a.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Moving service for an absolute great Of australian.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Rate and of course his favorite, tagline be kind to Each,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: other was used repeatedly through the. Service, yeah, yeah. Yeah
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: and they're going to be remembered for something other his radio, achievements,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: obviously but it's nice to be remembered For he was
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: the guy who always said be, kind and.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: The sermon was along those, lines and the rector made
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: quite a funny comment during the sermon about the fact
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: that After john's Wife caroline died a few years, ago
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: he went down and had lunch with him At otto
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: at The Woollemloo wharf and they had a long discussion
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: in which laws he told him That jesus was a
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: good bloke and that maybe before he dies he'd like
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: to record The, bible but he never got around to do.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: It that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: WELL i noticed it was a beautiful hymn that they
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: began the service with, Too so, yeah it was a
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: nice and a fitting tribute to a great pustrainer and absolutely.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: Great imagine being on air for seventeen, years seventy years
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: being at the same thing day in day.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Out it's truly.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Incredible but just as we, finished some good news for
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: all the men out.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: There turns out a.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Groundbreaking study From Oxford university has found man flew his
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: real recover more slowly than women from flu like. Symptoms,
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: so if you're feeling down about having a cold and
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: your wife's nagging you to get up and get on with, It,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: no you're, Right.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Why are you saying? This like it's news.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: FRAME i have told you that's.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: It FROM us Stick. Around coming up is The read
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: A Penny. Show Good, night