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Johnathan Crane | The Christian Reeve Podcast #222 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of five.
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  You were my insurance. Damn it.
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  You're the only person who's ever done that.
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  Oh my God. I'm I noted the do the zoom
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  notifies you. It's like, hey, this is being
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  recorded. That's the first time I've ever
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  heard that before. My bro, I'm not even gonna edit
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  that out. I'm just going to leave it in to
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  make you look bad. Do it.
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  Absolutely brother. All right, I can make myself
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  look bad. I'm pretty good at that.
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  Donna, welcome to the Christian roof podcast.
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  Today's guest is a fellow voice actor and voice over artist, mr.
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  Jonathan crane, this has been in the works for some time.
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  Welcome to the show. How you doing?
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  I'm doing alright, brother. After I ruined your intro, it's
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  good to hear the official intro now.
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  No, we we set this up on like a while ago and you reached out to
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  me, I know we've been kind of back and forth a little bit and
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  when you finally reached out to me like, hey, you know, do you
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  wanna, you know, step foot on the show?
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  I was like, you know what? Sure, why not.
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  Let's let's have a sit down and chat for a second.
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  You know what's interesting about this actually is so for
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  those who obviously one of you guys will notice me and
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  Jonathan. Yeah, connected some time ago.
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  Probably through ready? That's where most magical.
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  Things happen. And yeah, we just got chatting,
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  didn't we? And then we did a video call,
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  and obviously, I learned a little bit about you as well,
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  and then I sort of follow what you were doing online and kind
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  of seemed like, a no-brainer to me, like, yeah, I should invite
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  him on the show, would be a good conversation.
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  It's always kind of nice to to interview, or have a discussion
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  with, like a fellow actor because it's like, For anyone
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  that's not aware like this is the career I'm pursuing and I
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  don't know. I just find it interesting to
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  see like how other people going about that and like, where I
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  suppose. Because everyone has a different
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  story. As far as the cow.
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  They got into this how they were introduced to this excetera so I
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  guess what I'd like to start with is like, what was your
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  introduction to voice acting? Like where did it begin for you?
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  What was interesting is it's like most kids, you sit here and
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  you're watching, like, you know, your Saturday morning cartoons
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  and you're hearing, you know, Sonic or in my case, you know,
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  Goku everybody else. And you're hearing the voices of
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  like child white, you know, Shawn Shamu.
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  Chris a bit and you're hearing all these voices, but they're
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  coming from the characters, right?
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  And you're like, hey, that's that's awesome.
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  That's the voice of this person. That's the voice for that
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  person. And then when you start like
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  looking into things, you're like, oh, there's an actual
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  actor behind, you know, you start growing up and realizing
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  the, you know, the characters aren't real, they're just
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  cartoons and you maybe, hey, you know, I want to look at learning
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  about these people and it's like, it became something
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  different where I want it to sit here.
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  And now do exactly what it is that they do, which is like, You
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  hear some of these like long drawn-out speeches and stuff
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  like that and it impacts so many people in so many different
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  ways. And when you sit down and really
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  start thinking about you like that's, that's acting like,
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  that's what that is, that's hitting the core and soul of it.
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  That's what I want to do. I was like, let's let's sit here
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  and change somebody's world or perspective, even if it's just
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  one person, I was like, that's kind of how I want to go about
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  it. But do you know the people ask
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  you, what, why don't you just be a regular?
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  Actor. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not that
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  pretty. I'm not.
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  Okay, well, and we got the voice, you know, everyone's
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  always says, oh, you know, you have a voice and it's a good
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  voice. So, so I like most kids, you
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  start off with like a little bullshit u.s. me, but can I am,
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  I am allowed to curse like yes, we're fish.
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  If you want man. Yeah, go for it Expressions.
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  Well, I swear, I've heard you drank like a fish before, but,
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  uh, but yeah. So you start off a little
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  bullshit. Uh, me bike and, you know, you
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  just start graduating there. Hopefully, you start graduating
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  from there, you looking into, like, upgrading equipment,
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  taking classes, and all this other stuff.
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  We saw a couple of things that you said, oh, I'm not
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  good-looking enough to do that. That's bullshit.
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  Very handsome, man. Secondly, and this is what
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  someone said to me years ago and I think Is very true, it's not
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  about being good looking, it's about having a distinctive look
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  or a look that can be molded one of the two.
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  So to take someone from, okay, this is not for the acting
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  sphere but you know, cou Kate Moss's the the model, right?
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  Yeah. A lot of people have theorized
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  that the reason why she's so successful in that particular
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  Endeavor. Is because if you look at like
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  all of the different modeling photos of her over the years,
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  like it's a lots of different looks.
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  She's she can be molded, like, clay, almost and kind of I
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  suppose from an acting perspective.
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  That's like really, really useful.
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  You know, if you got an actor that can do that and I like a
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  Johnny Depp, for example, but then other people obviously have
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  like a particular look, that maybe lens well for Less a
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  villain characters or maybe a particularly heroic look.
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  So they get more, you know, heroic characters.
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  But like the point is, it's a distinctive look.
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  So don't discount yourself brother.
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  I mean, a lot of the videos. Seen you do when you get really
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  intense and you get into it or some of those promos shots you
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  do, I'm like, this guy's got something you, you really have
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  to. And you know, like that's that's
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  the other thing. Somebody had brought it up to me
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  one time, the like and like you see in the comment sections,
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  like, some of my videos, bro. What's with the face or you
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  really get into character? I'm like, well, yeah, dude,
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  that's that's what acting is. You have to get into character,
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  you know, if your characters angry bitch, Angry for
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  characters. And we say, you know, it's
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  that's the one thing that always stuck out in my mind.
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  Somebody said here, like told me if you're going to act, don't
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  pretend to act, actually act. You know, it's when you're doing
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  voiceover work and it's the biggest misconception with a lot
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  of things. Oh well you're a voice actor.
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  You're not a real actor. That's not true.
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  That's really not that true. You Have to get into your
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  emotions, you have to get into your feelings, you have to be
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  able to be vulnerable to the world and show the world exactly
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  what it is that you have while acting.
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  But at the same time, be able to disconnect that one.
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  You're not doing a scene or you're not, you know, actually
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  performing whatever may be. So this is something I'd love to
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  kind of explore with you this theme of comparing and actors to
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  voice actors. And how You know, there is,
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  there is kind of various misconceptions in there.
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  Are, I would say stigmas attached to it in a sense that,
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  you know, when you see a regular actor, they obviously get the
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  kind of a pause and respect they deserve.
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  But like a lot of voice actors don't and a lot of voice actors.
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  Particularly, some of the best voice.
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  Oh my God. Hundreds of characters like some
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  of your favorite fairy favorite characters.
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  And to be honest look, you know, I could say as a fellow voice
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  actor and correct me if I'm wrong here because I know you've
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  been doing it a lot longer than me but I approach it the same
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  way I do like regular acting where you have to put a lot of
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  research in. As far as let's say like if it's
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  an act accent, you have to kind of spend a long time master in
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  that, like I've been spending a long time master in American
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  accents and I'd say it's only really in the last year or so
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  that I've actually made some real significant progress where
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  it's actually, Point that I think is usable and doesn't
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  sound like a guy trying to do an accent.
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  You know I'm saying like there's there's a tip when point where
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  it's like, okay now this is yeah this is actually what's what's
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  so interesting about accents is and like I had a conversation
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  about this with somebody else is okay.
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  Yeah you can do it accent that that's cool.
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  And that's fine. But you also have to remember.
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  There's also Regional accents to where you're actually going.
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  From and it's the same thing here in the United States, you
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  know, so like I currently live in New York so I can see it
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  hanging do like the whole Brooklyn action if it really
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  wanted to, which is what typically a lot of people think
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  when you sit here and say, all that, you know, put on the
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  little New York action. But even then that's a little
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  bit too thick, but it's the same way with you.
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  Go down to the South, they sit here and sound a little bit
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  more, relaxed, a little more slow down.
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  Like, all right, like we're gonna sit here and do this, you
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  know? And it depends on exactly where
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  you are and where your points But it's not even so much about
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  doing an accent. It's now, can you act in that
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  accent? Can you make it believable?
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  Right, that's the other point. So, yeah, you know, like my
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  grandmother's from Ireland, right?
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  So it's, you know, I can sit here and let you know, a little
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  bit of the old Irish brogue, and that's seen a nice and fine and
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  dandy. But the problem is, it can sit
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  here and put on a convincing voice on a fake condensing act
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  for it, right? And even then it's going to be
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  one of your Irish listeners gonna be like brother was
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  terrible. Don't ever do that again.
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  Well, Does he see this? But there's a thing, there's an
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  interesting thing because it's like there's the Irish American
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  accent which is kind of like an amalgamation of the two.
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  Best example. I can think of is if anyone's
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  ever play it while, most of most of us played GTA4, there's a few
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  characters in that that are of Irish descent or they emigrated
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  from Ireland. And they and they've got that
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  kind of nice. Kind of, I don't know, like a
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  Pastiche like a mixture of both and it's interesting because
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  that you And that a lot, you spend enough time in a country
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  and you will begin to adopt elements of that or like it
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  happened to me when I moved to Europe like my English accent
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  was changing a little bit because I was spending so much
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  time speaking. Another language that when I
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  would speak English, obviously I would Tend to speak slower.
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  Because if I spoke at the normal sort of rate that I would in
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  English, it would be like a bit a little bit too much.
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  You know, you kind of have to dial it back a little bit.
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  It's interesting, I don't know but but hey, it's it is funny
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  because like with me I'm very subset bubble.
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  So I'll sit down and I'll talk to somebody and the longer I
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  speak to somebody, the more I pick up other cadences.
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  How they see a particular words. So then it's, when I sit here
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  and be like, okay, cool, this is how this person speaks.
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  And in order to, I guess cross that you know, lingua Franca,
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  you know, the the language Bridge, all right.
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  You start, you know, connecting with somebody else on a whole
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  different level when you're able to speak their version or their
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  way of language. That is a better way of saying
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  it, I guess. Right now we're seeing a lot of
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  major actors take on quite prominent voice acting roles.
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  I think the best example of this in most recent years were
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  probably be Bradley Cooper taking on.
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  I can't for the life of me think of the name of the role but in
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  Guardians of the Galaxy the raccoon character Rocket
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  Raccoon. Right?
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  Yeah. And I mean he's got the best gig
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  ever. One of the biggest movies and
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  the biggest franchises and he just he's in the booth the whole
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  time. Lucky get.
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  But anyway. I reckon that Rose like that are
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  kind of Let's say showcasing voice acting in a bit in a much
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  bigger way. But I guess my question to you,
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  which I really want to explore with you is why do you think
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  that voice actors don't get the same level of respect, that
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  regular actors. Get, what is it?
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  That makes people think like, oh, this is in no way
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  comparable, it's not acting as you kind of outlined earlier.
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  What's the difference? I can only guess, and it's
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  moreover, maybe you're not in front of the camera the entire
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  time and that you're lending your voice to a fern,
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  essentially, an inanimate object or inanimate character at a
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  figment of somebody else's imagination is really what it
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  comes out to be, but you're not on screen, you're not, you know,
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  performing the stunts or doing all this other stuff that a
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  normal traditional actor would so you don't have that physical
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  connection with the person that has that Voice.
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  So like for instance Bradley Cooper, he's been in a lot of
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  amazing movies. You know, hangover Limitless and
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  it just goes on and on and on with him.
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  But now when you're sitting here saying, oh well Bradley Cooper
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  plays Rocket Raccoon during your hearing a voice from a
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  character. But the only reason, you know,
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  it's Bradley Cooper's because a his names in the credits and
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  like, oh, I like how that guy sits there and sounds.
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  Well, he's like, oh yeah, you know.
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  Like, you know, it's, that's all that's Bradley Cooper.
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  That's amazing. That's awesome.
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  But you would never know if he was never on screen.
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  You would never know who this guy was, until you know, did a
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  little bit of a Google search. I said, interesting point, the
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  never really thought about it like that, you're right.
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  I guess, I guess maybe there's like a sense of like
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  relatability maybe more. So if you can see a character on
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  the screen and you can't like it's kind of like this, I
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  suppose maybe not relatability connection.
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  There's you as the audience viewer member.
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  Yeah, I'm more of a connection not seeing that person.
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  Yeah. That's I think that's what it
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  is. It's the actual connection to
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  the person interested Interested I just did I such a great that's
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  just my no it's just my thought process.
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  Anyway, he's so you're on the money because he's so true.
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  Like yeah, every time I've looked up her that when I find
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  out Mark, Hamill played The Joker years ago.
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  I was like, oh wow. Like you know I do.
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  Yeah. I mean, I know it's well known
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  now but like back in the day I didn't know that.
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  I was like, oh that's mad. The guy played Luke Skywalker or
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  is also plays joker? Well yeah.
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  What are you know what's funny about that, right?
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  Is like, you looked in a while because, you know, again, that's
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  the same thing I did when I was younger.
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  Yeah, you look I'm up and I'm like, oh cool, Luke Skywalker,
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  plays the Joker, and the Batman, and you're like, hold on a
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  second. That's not Luke Skywalker.
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  That's that's Mark, Hamill you rag, you know, you start making
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  these connections with previous characters, they've already done
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  and that's the craziest thing in the world.
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  It's crazy as well as because I think controversial, but I think
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  his performance is the joke was better than his performance is.
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  Luke Skywalker. Even though, even though Luke
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  Skywalker is an iconic character, I just feel like he
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  really defined the Joker role. I don't know.
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  Ice, just something about that. Robot the way he did.
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  It was particularly special. Maybe it's just because I don't
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  know. I'm a mark for, like, voice
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  acting. I love it.
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  I think it's amazing as an art form.
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  It's It's funny because, like, certain people, and that's
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  what's so magical about boys, that right, is that you sit
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  here, and you take something from someone's imagination,
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  that's never had a voice in its entire time before.
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  Or it's only a voice that you hear when you're reading the
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  comic or the book, whatever may be.
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  And here comes an amazing voice actor and he adds that extra
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  layer of depth to something that you never thought of before.
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  And that's what's so special the able to sit here and act
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  Actually bring to life. I character you've only read
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  about a thought about our imagine about, that's what's
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  amazing about and that's what makes you no good voice actors
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  separate from you know the great ones or your regular voice
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  actors from good voice actors, it's that extra level of
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  understanding the, the character and actually making it real.
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  That's what's so special about it and that's like how any any
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  actor does, anything but you're not doing it with your body.
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  Your You're just literally doing it with your voice.
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  I couldn't agree more. This is why I always make sure
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  to talk about how they are different dye.
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  I consider them completely different things.
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  I know it's acting they're both acting but it is.
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  You approach it so differently. Like my process for on screen
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  acting versus voice. Acting is a totally different.
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  I could wage it. I wouldn't even, I couldn't even
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  really say that like voice acting is easier because it's
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  nice, just it requires different At things from you, what it
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  really does. Because it's like, okay, cool.
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  How do you sit here and portray that you're angry at somebody
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  without an actual visual visual representation of being angry?
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  Well, most people's thoughts process of, oh, well, let's just
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  get angry. Well, what do people do in the
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  get angle right? They raise their voice.
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  They sit here and start screaming and all this other
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  stuff and you're like let's let's draw that back a little
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  bit, right? And let's pull back the
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  curtains. Anger has made different levels,
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  right? Are you, are you angry?
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  Because you're embarrassed. Are you angry?
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  Because you're sad? Are you angry?
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  Because you're so Furious that you actually start crying.
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  So now, are you crying and you're sad or are you crying?
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  Because you're angry. There's different levels that
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  you can't show from a voice actor that you have to be able
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  to try and portray. There's a book.
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  I was reading recently, which is by Michael Caine.
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  It's called a fifth film in acting, or acting in film.
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  It's basically taken from when he did a bunch of lectures.
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  So the BBC and like the 80s, maybe, I don't know.
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  But anyway, point is, they were taken and put into a book and
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  the book has a lot of good lessons.
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  I would say for actors. And when he's talking about his
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  performance in educating Rita, he had to put like portray a
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  drunk, right? Like a tragic drunk and he, he
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  commented on this, which I found this really interesting.
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  I just wanted to share in this conversation.
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  Now, is this idea that like a lot of the time when you're told
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  I could be angry, be pay. Someone who's drunk.
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  Like a lot of people fail. They, you know, they all over
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  the place, aren't they? They're just like throwing their
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  arms up and stuff and sure people can be like that when
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  they're drunk but actually a lot of the time when you're drunk,
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  you're trying to hide it, you're trying to, you know, like oh
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  yeah, I'm fine. Like I'm not actually drunk like
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  a new You do know I'm saying that there's there's more like
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  subtlety in it and if you play it like that, it's more
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  convincing of, of course because, you know, most people
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  and it's just like, you know, you sat here and said most
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  people think, you know, like I'm not drunk, you're the one who's
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  drunk, okay, tell me that that I'm John, right, but that's not
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  sure. You have your fully functioning
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  alcoholics, that should actually do an entire thing.
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  Or you have the guy, you know, who's sitting here who's like,
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  you know, drinking in the corner.
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  And he's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm good.
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  I'm good, bro. Yeah, I'm good, not everybody
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  talks with like that, that slur slow down speech and like, hey
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  buddy, what's going on? And it's everybody has a
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  different way of doing things. I think what you reckon on the
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  preconceived notions that, plus what you said before about,
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  identifying what the source of the emotion.
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  Is does it come from? And so it does it come from.
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  Is the anger coming from a place of Injustice or annoyance or
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  because? Yeah, you've got various
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  different levels, haven't you like and also, you can be a
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  little bit drunk or you can be really drunk or you could, you
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  know, there's levels to this and as the entire thing, like, whoa,
• 20:24
  why are you drunk? Are you drunk?
• 20:25
  Because you're at a party? Are you drunk?
• 20:27
  Because, you know, you're at a pub or a bar or are you drunk?
• 20:31
  Because you're at home and you're sitting here drinking,
• 20:34
  Thinking the entire time because you're trying to forget
• 20:36
  something that happened, right? There's levels of being drunk,
• 20:41
  there's levels of emotions as levels of acting.
• 20:43
  And that's what a lot of people don't get or understand or can't
• 20:48
  really hit that nail on the head.
• 20:50
  There's different levels, two different things.
• 20:53
  I think it might have also been well, okay, nor one of his
• 20:56
  contemporaries that says, something like acting is more
• 21:00
  about reaction rather than Yeah, acting like I think a lot of
• 21:05
  people when they think of acting they think.
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  Okay, I've got to pretend to do this thing and it's like it's
• 21:10
  true but actually acting is more real than you think you're
• 21:14
  drawing on. And again this depends on your
• 21:16
  school of thought whether it's add low or stanislavski or
• 21:21
  whatever your method is, at the end of the day, you're drawing
• 21:24
  from a place of realness, you're drawing from something and the
• 21:28
  differences between those. Yeah gun.
• 21:32
  And that's the key is, it's the ability to be more vulnerable
• 21:38
  with people and yourself. It's being able, being
• 21:42
  comfortable with showing people, or the world or whoever your
• 21:45
  audience, is you for, essentially, all purposes, being
• 21:50
  you or being this character being emotional, you know, and
• 21:54
  have all this stuff going on. And a lot of people are
• 21:57
  uncomfortable with that, you know, you have to be comfortable
• 22:00
  with being uncomfortable. That, that's Kind of the best
• 22:03
  way to explain it. We'll get into some of the stuff
• 22:06
  about your life outside of acting but I just want to kind
• 22:09
  of focus on this one element because I find this interesting.
• 22:12
  Like we some of the stuff in your life that you're a man
• 22:15
  who's seen some shit been through some shit.
• 22:18
  Let's put it that way and I have done a lot.
• 22:22
  Yeah, and I wonder when it comes to actin.
• 22:25
  Do you draw upon those experiences?
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  Directly? Do you put yourself in a similar
• 22:32
  field? Like, what's your process for
• 22:33
  acting? Like because I imagine it's a
• 22:36
  dangerous road. If you're drawing on, for
• 22:39
  example, places of trauma experiences moments memories,
• 22:43
  that can be dangerous because you can lose yourself in them.
• 22:48
  Youyou actually really can. And that's the moment where
• 22:53
  you're Crossing that bridge or that barrier it's like okay
• 22:56
  cool. Or are you stepping into
• 22:59
  something that's like really traumatic for you?
• 23:01
  Or are you just hitting like that you have to ride that fine
• 23:06
  line of being able to call upon it but stop at the same time.
• 23:11
  So like I've been through a lot in life, you know, I'm a
• 23:15
  military member. Why was a military member?
• 23:18
  And, you know, I've been overseas and I've done a lot of
• 23:19
  things and you see a lot of different stuff is the best way
• 23:24
  to explain it. And sometimes you do draw upon
• 23:28
  the memories and that's when you're like, all right, cool,
• 23:32
  let's take a moment back. And lets, you know, pump the
• 23:37
  brakes stopped their record, and let's just chill for a second.
• 23:41
  Like, all right. Cool.
• 23:42
  I'm getting too much into their all the times.
• 23:46
  I honestly just let it ride. And doing this sometimes, like
• 23:51
  somebody wants in like one like videos, like, it's very
• 23:54
  cathartic, just letting out all that rage and anger, or screams
• 23:58
  or whatever. Maybe write, it is very
• 23:59
  cathartic, because you're essentially performing therapy
• 24:03
  on yourself, without realizing it by doing it through a, a
• 24:07
  character, right? And it's kind of interesting
• 24:10
  sometimes, you know, it's a very kind of dangerous line to kind
• 24:15
  of ride, but if you can do it, you can do it.
• 24:18
  It and if you can't, you can too.
• 24:20
  But I think that's the part where it separates a lot of
• 24:24
  people like, can you stop that at a moment's notice that?
• 24:27
  That's you know what I'm saying. Like even now it's like, you
• 24:32
  know, the one thing a lot of people can't do is like Cry On
• 24:36
  Demand, you know what I'm saying?
• 24:37
  So it's like all right. Cool I have to get in to that
• 24:41
  point where I can but then it's easier for me to do it.
• 24:45
  It's not so easy for all, you know, for others.
• 24:48
  And It's like okay well where is that coming from on that?
• 24:52
  I've done it a few times but yeah, I'm the same as you have
• 24:55
  to get myself in that headspace. But something, again, useful tip
• 24:59
  that I learned recently. Same as what we were saying
• 25:02
  before about the, you know, dining are down.
• 25:06
  Like if listen, if you're an actor and you're trying to make
• 25:09
  yourself cry, keep telling yourself.
• 25:11
  Don't cry, don't cry, don't cry. Don't don't cry for you.
• 25:15
  Reverse psychology because it that's exactly what you do a
• 25:17
  lot. The time when you when you're,
• 25:19
  when you're going to cry, you try.
• 25:20
  Hold it back, don't you? Don't get me wrong.
• 25:22
  I know a lot of people let it out as you should, but generally
• 25:26
  speaking you probably want to keep it in because it crying
• 25:30
  doesn't tend to happen at like a convenient time, does it?
• 25:33
  It happens. Whatever like something horrible
• 25:36
  has happened and you're like, oh well maybe something beautiful
• 25:38
  has happened and you just trying to keep it in the point is you
• 25:41
  generally speaking of trying to keep it in?
• 25:44
  So the remaining like my, my son just graduated for it.
• 25:48
  Right and graduation minded me of something.
• 25:50
  Well, thank you, thank you. And yeah, he's a good boy.
• 25:52
  He's doing everything he can. There was a woman now like a mom
• 25:57
  and she was like doing one of these things.
• 25:59
  She's like, you know, face, she's like, and I'm like, hey, I
• 26:04
  get it. She's she's not, she's crying or
• 26:08
  she's about to cry, but it's not because she's angry is because
• 26:11
  she's so elated. She's so happy that her child is
• 26:15
  graduating, right her cracked. Her child is Going to end, and
• 26:18
  she's about to just break down in tears.
• 26:21
  And I'm like, you gotta understand that.
• 26:24
  Where's that coming from? She's just so elated.
• 26:29
  So happy. So filled with pride and joy
• 26:31
  that her child is graduating. And you have to kind of like Get
• 26:36
  that's not all crying is because you said, you know what I'm
• 26:39
  saying? So it's like you have to
• 26:40
  understand. Where is this coming from?
• 26:43
  That's the best way to do it. Well, it's in my opinion anyway.
• 26:47
  See, you know what do I know? No, I agree.
• 26:49
  I think a lot of about acting is understanding emotions on a
• 26:52
  deeper level and understanding and what they mean.
• 26:56
  And that's why I asked you the question before about knowing
• 26:58
  where the, how to dial it back where the line is because this
• 27:01
  is tough, you know, sometimes like I was reading today, Tom
• 27:05
  Holland, who, obviously, famous for Spider-Man recently took on
• 27:10
  a role. I don't know what the role is,
• 27:11
  but it's some sort of Series where he's got like long hair
• 27:14
  and in a recent interview, Interviews and IO, who's his
• 27:20
  partner was basically saying that he was like hell to deal
• 27:23
  with for a year and instantly as I got cases, it's method acting.
• 27:27
  I suppose that he was, maybe like that, but it made me think
• 27:30
  about method acting in general and what it means for those
• 27:34
  around us. And there's, and there's
• 27:35
  different levels. I mean, you pick, you hear about
• 27:37
  someone like, Gary Oldman who can just switch it on and off
• 27:40
  and it's like, during scene. And then there's other people
• 27:43
  who live in the character say, like Ella, Heath Ledger Joker,
• 27:47
  where they just live It for like two weeks and everyone around
• 27:50
  them is like this personally. Yeah, really right.
• 27:55
  I think the most famous method actor is Daniel Day-Lewis,
• 28:00
  right? Because he will just he'll spend
• 28:04
  years researching a character getting it to like, when he did
• 28:09
  Abe Lincoln, right? He managed to find the only
• 28:13
  actual surviving voice recording of Abe Lincoln and he Told his
• 28:18
  voice after that. So it's like you have all these
• 28:22
  people and their ways of doing things.
• 28:25
  But, you know, you have your Shia LaBeouf.
• 28:27
  You have any Christian Bale's Daniel Day-Lewis, you know,
• 28:30
  Heath Ledger where they get full blown into character like even
• 28:34
  Christian Bale with The Machinist right?
• 28:36
  He got so bone rail thing. I think he ate like a apple and
• 28:41
  drink a cup of coffee a day or something.
• 28:42
  Like it down to fit any. She ranked him down.
• 28:46
  Oh, it was terrible. You look like absolutely you
• 28:49
  look like a walking skeleton. Yeah.
• 28:52
  But that's how he. That's, how he does his acting
• 28:55
  and some people agree with it. Some people don't depending on
• 28:59
  who you are and you know where your head space is for certain
• 29:02
  things. I gotta say, I must think I'm a
• 29:05
  monster. That's that's the direction I'm
• 29:08
  headed in because I really, I know it's bad.
• 29:11
  I just is I'm just being real with you.
• 29:13
  Like the way I see acting is it's at its best when it's It's
• 29:18
  as believable as possible but there's stuff that I see on
• 29:21
  screen sometimes and I'm just like, I don't believe you.
• 29:25
  I don't believe what you're trying to tell me, I don't
• 29:27
  believe you're this, you're suffering or you're in this and
• 29:31
  I feel like those actors that go that extra step and take those
• 29:35
  risks and really try to just put themselves into it as much as
• 29:38
  possible. That's why they get the
• 29:40
  accolades that's why they get the the Applause because they
• 29:45
  really went for it and I feel like it's a great thing.
• 29:48
  For life as well. If you want to get the best out
• 29:50
  of life in whatever you do in life, throw yourself fully in
• 29:54
  it. Be the best that you can be and
• 29:57
  you know, you get what you put in.
• 29:59
  You know, what is so funny about that?
• 30:02
  Is like, even with voice acting II, knew nothing about voice
• 30:09
  acting at all. Not a single damn thing.
• 30:12
  And I went, I have a habit of going down a rabbit hole
• 30:16
  whenever I want to sit here and find something, I have to find
• 30:19
  everything about this thing. So, I went down this whole year
• 30:23
  long rabbit hole about, you know, equipment and then acting
• 30:28
  classes And a lot of people don't get, I want to do it, it
• 30:33
  was a whole thing. I took Shakespeare like I've
• 30:35
  never took Shakespeare in my entire life before, right?
• 30:38
  But now I'm like, taking Shakespeare monologue classes
• 30:40
  and their improv classes and then acting classes and I'm just
• 30:45
  like like there's a whole art form to all of this and I just
• 30:50
  went down a whole rabbit hole for an entire year, fully
• 30:54
  submerged myself. And this thing And then it's
• 30:57
  like, all right. Cool.
• 30:59
  Now, what am I going to do with it?
• 31:01
  I'm not just sensible. You know what?
• 31:03
  Yeah, I just went off and I was like, you know what, I want to
• 31:09
  do videos, and I started doing the, the voice overs for the
• 31:12
  videos that I do now. And it kind of just took off all
• 31:18
  on its own and people started, you know, calling me and riding
• 31:22
  to me like hey this is this and that's that.
• 31:24
  I, you know, that was so amazing.
• 31:26
  You did that. And I'm just like, I just wanted
• 31:29
  to do it for fun. You know, it's impacting certain
• 31:32
  people in certain ways and it's just got totally out of control.
• 31:36
  I'm like, all right, cool. But I'm not I'm having a blast
• 31:40
  with it. That's the reality is why?
• 31:41
  It's always at its best when it's enjoyed by the Creator
• 31:46
  logo. When I look at like so my
• 31:47
  podcast or the patreon content, I do that twitch streams the
• 31:52
  even the acting I get to do from time to time.
• 31:55
  I enjoy it more. Than I ever did in the past, I
• 31:57
  think because my mindset is I want this to be the best that it
• 32:01
  can because I don't get to do this for a living.
• 32:03
  I don't get to do this all the time.
• 32:05
  So when I do it, I'm not going to sit and be like, oh, I wish
• 32:08
  this Scott somewhere. I'll have those feelings.
• 32:10
  Don't get me wrong, but I'll focus on making it the best that
• 32:14
  it can be because I love it. I love this.
• 32:17
  I live for this. If I got go and do that day job,
• 32:20
  fuck it. I'll do it.
• 32:21
  But like, while I'm here, I'm gonna give it my all.
• 32:24
  I'm going to make this the best thing.
• 32:25
  It can be. And put my heart and soul into
• 32:27
  it. And I think with acting like I
• 32:31
  said before, it's, that's when you get those best performances,
• 32:34
  because I think those people are more students at the craft.
• 32:38
  Like, I look at someone like Joaquin Phoenix, and I'm just
• 32:40
  like, there's, there's a guy who's trying to recapture
• 32:44
  Classic Cinema in an age, where it really feels like it's dying
• 32:47
  and many senses and don't get me wrong, but they were really
• 32:50
  Ambitions filmmaker still out there.
• 32:52
  There's people trying to do amazing things still but there's
• 32:54
  a lot of Justice. Yes yes That's the thing.
• 32:57
  A lot of the industry is just how many people you've got
• 33:01
  following you? What brat?
• 33:02
  You know I'm saying like what it's a marketing machine and
• 33:06
  it's a business. And but at the same time, there
• 33:09
  are still those people like Nolan still films in the classic
• 33:15
  way, which I think I agree with that.
• 33:16
  I think that's a better way to do it, then everything digital.
• 33:19
  But again, it's preference. No, it's so like amazing about
• 33:23
  that. Like, when you brought up
• 33:24
  Joaquin, Phoenix, and doing, Acting the classic style, right?
• 33:28
  Yeah, take it. The, the most recent movie that
• 33:31
  comes to mind is the Joker what he or is Todd Phillips, that
• 33:34
  directed it and it wasn't like the superhero movie.
• 33:39
  It wasn't like explosions and things like that.
• 33:42
  All happening, this is if you really break it down, it's a
• 33:46
  character study of what it of what a mental patient, looks
• 33:50
  like according to him, and his style and his way of doing
• 33:54
  things. And that was such Such a real
• 33:57
  subversive way, like is this really happening in his head or
• 34:00
  is this happening reality and being able to sit down?
• 34:04
  And you're asking yourself that question is, as The Watcher of
• 34:06
  the viewer of this cinema, this art form.
• 34:09
  And it's just like, that's acting man, like, that was so
• 34:13
  amazing to watch. And it's so hard to sit here and
• 34:18
  like, be able to really get into that Headway or headspace and
• 34:24
  make it so believable like is Really acting or he's just being
• 34:28
  himself like Robert Downey jr. With Iron Man, right?
• 34:32
  He's another one. Is he being himself or is he
• 34:36
  absolutely Robert Downey jr. Playing Robert.
• 34:38
  Downey jr. You know, I'm saying?
• 34:40
  He was pulling for that role. Even Stanley said himself.
• 34:45
  He's on, man, absolutely amazing.
• 34:47
  No, I don't think so. And it's like the best actors
• 35:03
  are the ones that have, you know, gone through like these
• 35:07
  traumatic events. Well, I mean in, okay, if you
• 35:10
  look at it real, like if you look at your life, As it exists.
• 35:15
  In this moment, you'll realize, if the things that you've been
• 35:20
  through whether or not you've had it tricky, everyone that
• 35:22
  you've had it difficult, to be honest, I started being better
• 35:25
  at the creative Endeavors in my life, when I actually like lived
• 35:29
  a little, you know, I used to suck like 10 years ago when I
• 35:34
  tried to like, write a song and it, you know, it was love that
• 35:36
  like, yeah, sure, I'd felt some things but I'm not really
• 35:39
  suffered. And then years later, I did
• 35:42
  suffer and then I'm like, ah, All right.
• 35:45
  Now, I got some shit to write about your luck.
• 35:47
  Hasn't been one night. Now, you've lived a little you.
• 35:49
  You cannot do that space, you know, right?
• 35:52
  Yeah. We switched becomes real.
• 35:55
  It's no more. Are you pretending?
• 35:57
  And that's where acting's at its best and I know, we're just, who
• 36:01
  was it? Was?
• 36:03
  I think it was Henry Cavill who like his parents are like, hey,
• 36:07
  you know, you've done a few things already that school in
• 36:11
  the time Downey, but you haven't bought anything for years.
• 36:13
  Years and years and I think it was like if I remember correctly
• 36:19
  and I could be wrong. He had told his parents like hey
• 36:22
  if I don't get the like this next gig I'm just gonna you
• 36:25
  know, go back to a normal 9 to 5 and of course the phone call
• 36:28
  that he wound up. You know sending to record a
• 36:31
  voice mail because he's playing in a World of Warcraft was you
• 36:34
  know, Zack Snyder for saying, hey you want to be Superman,
• 36:36
  right? So imagine getting old, you
• 36:39
  know. I heard about things you did you
• 36:41
  did you hear the story about that way?
• 36:42
  Apparently like he missed the Superman.
• 36:44
  Because he was too busy playing World of Warcraft.
• 36:48
  Yeah, one Legend. He's too busy game.
• 37:19
  You know, the guy I'm on about who was in John Krasinski, John
• 37:21
  Krasinski. Yeah.
• 37:22
  So The Story Goes purely that he was he'd moved up to New York.
• 37:27
  He was, you know, typical story, waiting tables, for months and
• 37:31
  months and months. He got the He promised his mum
• 37:38
  maybe that he'd be there for like two years or something and
• 37:41
  if he didn't find anything, I'm coming home.
• 37:43
  That's it. It's done.
• 37:45
  And it's like, the final months, it's not worked out and he calls
• 37:50
  his mom and he says, listen, it's not happening, going to
• 37:53
  head home. See you soon, right?
• 37:55
  And she's like, well, hang on, just stay another month and it's
• 38:00
  the classic why you do. What you do?
• 38:01
  What your mom tells you. So you're just like, all right,
• 38:03
  I'll stay another one, fine. Then that is when he got the
• 38:07
  office and even when they filmed the first season, they filmed
• 38:12
  the first season, he was still waiting tables and then boom,
• 38:15
  his life changed forever. So, and that's the craziest
• 38:19
  thing in the world is you're chasing after this dream and I
• 38:24
  guess the moment you stop chasing is when I guess it comes
• 38:29
  to you. I don't know man.
• 38:35
  You know? And I'm like but like if I don't
• 38:38
  try surely it won't happen at all.
• 38:40
  I can't just like sit and pray that it like.
• 38:44
  Oh, I hope. Yeah, exactly.
• 38:45
  Hollywood script is gets delivered on my door.
• 38:49
  Let's hope I get noticed one day, you know, doing absolutely
• 38:53
  nothing. These stories as well at
• 38:56
  classically like, oh, they just found him on the street or found
• 39:00
  her on the street. Picked her out of a crowd and
• 39:04
  She became a successful actress and you like that shit.
• 39:06
  Doesn't happen. You know what?
• 39:08
  You know where that shit hide me.
• 39:09
  Like, in the movies. I was the person I needed.
• 39:12
  It happens in the movies. Why?
• 39:14
  Because it's not real. It's fixed.
• 39:17
  It's not real doesn't happen. Bro.
• 39:20
  You have to try, you gotta shouldn't go out there.
• 39:23
  Make mistakes is the best I can tell you, you know?
• 39:28
  But yeah. It's absolutely crazy.
• 39:31
  Just going down this whole roller coaster of things.
• 39:34
  Because like in that with social media, social media started,
• 39:39
  initially as like you know, getting to know people, you
• 39:42
  know, Crossing out. Hey I got to know you, you got
• 39:45
  to know me and you follow your friends and follow people.
• 39:48
  You may like and then somehow like this changed into a whole
• 39:52
  marketing machine. I think you hit the nail on the
• 39:55
  head earlier. How many viewers do you get?
• 39:59
  How many followers do you have? And, you know, are you able to
• 40:03
  sit here? Here and now you're your own
• 40:06
  company. Essentially your own, your your
• 40:09
  you are the product, right? So you now have to sell yourself
• 40:13
  and getting yourself out there. And it's so crazy because I had
• 40:18
  to sit here and learn that aspect of it as much as anything
• 40:22
  else to because it's a marketing machine.
• 40:25
  And I even took marketing classes on how to sit here and
• 40:28
  do that. And I'm just like, yeah.
• 40:30
  But you're, you have to find that fine line like Keiko are
• 40:34
  you being you? Am I being Jonathan or am I
• 40:38
  being Jonathan crane the voice actor?
• 40:40
  The guy who screamed into a microphone and I like you, you
• 40:44
  gotta ride that line a little bit again, you know, do you
• 40:47
  wanna who are you /, trying to be or who you're pretending to
• 40:51
  be a? The best way considering say it
• 40:54
  because like on the internet you can be anybody, that's the
• 40:57
  issue. You can literally be anybody,
• 40:59
  anybody can be, who you could be, whoever you want to be
• 41:01
  reinvented you, some people do it all the time, you know?
• 41:03
  New master 69, you know what I'm saying?
• 41:06
  You can you know or you know JK Rowling Simmons, the third or
• 41:10
  whatever. Maybe it's you could be anybody,
• 41:14
  but can you be yourself? That's the craziest thing in the
• 41:18
  world. You can no longer just be you
• 41:19
  anymore. Do not write that.
• 41:24
  Yeah, he's in a world where you in a world, where you can be
• 41:29
  anyone, would you want to be? You really write?
• 41:35
  If you could be anybody, why would you be you?
• 41:44
  It's one of those things where it's like, You got I think you
• 41:48
  have to figure out what that looks like.
• 41:50
  One of the things I decided I want to start doing this.
• 41:53
  Was I chose to be authentic, I chose because I just the reason
• 41:57
  why is I didn't want to play a character.
• 41:59
  Ironically, I didn't want to like put on a Persona that I'd
• 42:04
  have to keep up and then I don't know if I ever got fans.
• 42:07
  For example, I wouldn't want to have to like, put on this
• 42:09
  Persona 24/7. Also, it's easier.
• 42:11
  If I just be me and then I, you know, if I'm not 100% then It's
• 42:17
  just me in a bad mood. It's not me not being this
• 42:20
  character. You know what the thing about
• 42:25
  like? So we're like even the stuff
• 42:27
  that I put out, right? I do favor one particular
• 42:30
  platform over the other. So, like I have a tech talk.
• 42:33
  I have an Instagram, I favored Instagram, just a little bit
• 42:38
  more because I get to, you know, show people the the
• 42:42
  behind-the-scenes looks at certain things, you know.
• 42:47
  For enemy going to the gym or me editing or whatever.
• 42:50
  Maybe that you just can't achieve on a platform like take
• 42:54
  time. And I like that little, you know
• 42:56
  interaction. Sometimes I've just behind the
• 42:59
  scenes, you getting to see me for who I am.
• 43:03
  Instead of just, you know, me doing a voiceover for something.
• 43:07
  You get to see me hanging out sometime.
• 43:09
  Like I'll post pictures of like my kids every once in a while
• 43:12
  but it'll be like in a story and like hitter goes away like 24
• 43:16
  hours or whatever it may be. Maybe, you know, because you
• 43:18
  don't know who's on the internet half the time.
• 43:20
  But yeah, I like that little behind the, you know, curtain
• 43:24
  Peak, you know who's Jonathan? Well week, when he goes to the
• 43:27
  gym everyday, use its aromatic to stuff.
• 43:30
  He sits down, he wakes up, you like, you know what I'm saying?
• 43:33
  Hangs out, it's being able to show just enough of you, but not
• 43:38
  enough for you. I it's weird to sit here and
• 43:41
  like, putting the words, I guess.
• 43:43
  No, I go you babe. Yeah.
• 43:45
  It's I say, Say this recent said this recently in a stream that,
• 43:49
  you know, you sometimes have to be careful about the power of
• 43:52
  social relationships thing and just make sure that you
• 43:55
  established like I'm here to entertain to perform you get, as
• 44:00
  you say, like a sneak big every once in awhile but that's it.
• 44:03
  Like, I'm, you draw the liar. I recently what I think, annoyed
• 44:10
  me, I put up a thing. For and June.
• 44:19
  It's a gay pride month in June for America for the states.
• 44:23
  Right? And, you know, I know I have a
• 44:25
  lot of people in the community. I know a lot of friends in the
• 44:28
  community, I have so much fun with them and I put up my
• 44:32
  support for, you know, I'm like, hey, you know, the, you know,
• 44:35
  it's gay pride month, the whole nine yards and somebody messaged
• 44:40
  me privately. I'm not going to say this person
• 44:41
  is like, hey, yo, that's that's not, that's not cool, man.
• 44:44
  I'm like, are you gay? Yeah, I didn't even bother
• 44:47
  answering that question. Yes.
• 44:50
  I'm just like how closed-minded could you be to something like
• 44:55
  that? Like, I put up my support, it
• 44:57
  doesn't matter if I am on my not, I put my support for
• 45:00
  something and you're like, oh, you know, well I may have lost
• 45:05
  potentially a fan because I support something, I don't give
• 45:09
  a fuck. Well, like, do it.
• 45:10
  I'll see you the fog later. That's I didn't even bother
• 45:13
  answering that question. I just let it flow left.
• 45:15
  It It in like my request mailbox or some nonsense like that.
• 45:19
  Another nice the best response. Dude, you know like like dude I
• 45:25
  don't know man, it's just so weird forgot what I was going on
• 45:28
  about things and stand your ground and yeah, sometimes
• 45:35
  people aren't going to like that.
• 45:36
  You know, sometimes people aren't going to support that
• 45:38
  like case in point. I posted some stuff about like
• 45:44
  men's mental health before, and I know there's a lot of dudes
• 45:47
  that are like. That's weak guy talks about his
• 45:50
  feelings, did it of the week and I might, well, listen, I think
• 45:55
  it's better. That a man took about his
• 45:57
  feelings and is still here alive on this planet, then you not
• 46:04
  doing it and wouldn't, you know what's that's so interesting
• 46:09
  that you said you and say that because coming from, Being in
• 46:13
  the military itself, right? There's a lot of, you know, keep
• 46:18
  that emotion and keep that kind of shit to yourself.
• 46:20
  You know what I'm saying? Like, nobody wants to hear all
• 46:22
  that stuff and even now I still kind of do it every once in a
• 46:26
  while. But, you know, like dude, as far
• 46:30
  as men's mental health, you you have to let it out because
• 46:34
  you're in a dated, an entire Society where men have to be
• 46:37
  strong and this, and this, why, I guess, you know, time to
• 46:39
  changing now, you know, you don't have to be so strong.
• 46:42
  Anymore. No, I know.
• 46:43
  I think, I think, I think the difference is not that like, you
• 46:47
  don't have to be strong anymore. I think the difference is that
• 46:50
  because think about it, generate the war generation for
• 46:53
  argument's sake, right? Those men desperately needed to
• 46:57
  be able to sit down and be able to talk about these things.
• 47:00
  But you know, whatever Society culture wouldn't allow for it.
• 47:04
  But they needed that they needed to like come to terms of
• 47:07
  everything because it's not a thing that human beings.
• 47:12
  Should have to go through. You know, when I first came home
• 47:17
  there's a phone call I don't I'm not going to say the name of the
• 47:21
  program but there's a phone call that you have to make when you
• 47:24
  first come home from like active War zones and stuff and the like
• 47:28
  it's bunch of questions, you know, your name your social, do
• 47:31
  you have nightmares? Do you drink a lot?
• 47:35
  Do you want to hurt yourself or you angry?
• 47:37
  Whatever may be and you have all these questions you have to
• 47:42
  Answered answered truthfully, will you, hopefully you answer
• 47:45
  truthfully or you're not just going to watch this person off
• 47:47
  the phone and it's like, all right, cool.
• 47:50
  Yeah, you know, I'm fine. I'm fine, I'm fine now, I don't
• 47:54
  drink, I don't get angry, it's not my deal.
• 47:57
  And then when you have to do that phone call, like three or
• 47:59
  four or five times you like alright cool.
• 48:01
  Like, yeah. Now I'm getting angry like
• 48:02
  everything to answer the same questions over and over and over
• 48:05
  again but it's like, here's an opportunity to help yourself get
• 48:11
  through something. NG and, you know, me being the
• 48:14
  typical, you know, guy at the time was yeah, no I don't need
• 48:18
  help. I'm good.
• 48:18
  I don't you talk about my feelings, you know, you know,
• 48:20
  nobody wants to hear about my feelings.
• 48:22
  Nobody wants to hear this, nobody wants to hear that.
• 48:24
  And now I'm in a art form where you have to show your feelings,
• 48:28
  which is your very weird, right? Yeah.
• 48:31
  The irony is not lost on me that.
• 48:34
  Yeah, exactly. It's very different man.
• 48:36
  It's very, very different. It's a be able to sit here and
• 48:41
  show I guess. Guess you're feeling this talk.
• 48:44
  If you have to talk, don't be afraid to talk.
• 48:46
  And I'll even though I hit up some of my friends, I don't
• 48:48
  like, hey, you know, you don't need to call me just to sit here
• 48:52
  and I could you need something or you want, something you need
• 48:54
  to call just to sit here and chat, you know, I don't worry
• 48:56
  about it, you know, chill out. I just think it's important for
• 49:00
  dudes to be able to do this. I don't think it makes you weak
• 49:03
  until I like that. I don't know.
• 49:07
  There's this Easter somehow different is and I will say
• 49:12
  this, I do understand for a lot of guys as well, like Society
• 49:16
  tells you one thing, but then what you receive is something
• 49:20
  very different. You didn't say it's like it's
• 49:25
  almost that weird thing of like yeah you can come out and talk
• 49:28
  about your feelings but it's just going to be used against
• 49:31
  you. And like my personal opinion is
• 49:33
  I don't give a fuck like I don't feel like any less of a man but
• 49:36
  I talk about my feelings cause As again, as I mentioned
• 49:39
  earlier, I've had friends who've taken their lives and stuff, and
• 49:44
  I feel like if they'd have been able to talk more and be more
• 49:49
  open, I feel like they probably still be here, you know?
• 49:51
  And that's the way I look at it. You know.
• 49:53
  I look at it more from that respect, you know, you and you
• 49:57
  would hope. So at least, you know, at least
• 49:59
  they had an ear to talk to or listen and in reality, you know.
• 50:04
  Yeah, I get every guy is different like I understand that
• 50:08
  Like you know I understand about myself like I'm more of a
• 50:11
  sensitive guy. I've always been like that but
• 50:13
  like maybe know every man is like that.
• 50:15
  I understand but you can still like chat with your mates crack
• 50:18
  a beer and be like, hey you good?
• 50:21
  I don't know. All right, let's just shoot the
• 50:24
  shit and then but they're bit like, you know, being able to
• 50:27
  just shoot the shit with your body's just as an example.
• 50:29
  Like, I feel like it's, you know, it's it's a good thing
• 50:33
  either. Even if like nothing comes with
• 50:34
  it, as far as like it doesn't Solve the problem or whatever.
• 50:38
  It's like, I don't, but that's how I understood the concept of
• 50:42
  empathy, right? Was that it was not about trying
• 50:45
  to solve the problem. It was just about, like, being
• 50:48
  able to relate to someone and be like, hey, I understand how that
• 50:51
  feels, I get it, like, you know, lonely that's even like a thing
• 50:56
  that I have a problem with myself right now, is being able
• 51:01
  to empathize with a lot of people.
• 51:05
  And the reason I say, Say that because and, you know, my
• 51:08
  missus, she's the one who told me, you know, stop to do
• 51:11
  something because I always compare myself to other people.
• 51:16
  Well, when I was down and when I was out, this is what I did,
• 51:20
  right? And or I hold myself to a higher
• 51:24
  standard and, you know, suck it up buttercup and the whole nine
• 51:27
  yards and the missus was like, well babe, you gotta understand.
• 51:31
  Not everybody is you not every you can't hold people to the
• 51:35
  same standards that you hold yourself.
• 51:37
  You know, people are very different, everyone's different,
• 51:40
  and she's like, that's not fair to the other person.
• 51:44
  Yeah. If it's, that makes sense or
• 51:47
  that's better for you, you know, and slowly.
• 51:50
  But surely, you know, like anything else, you know, the
• 51:52
  message is right. And also, it's like, alright,
• 51:55
  cool. So it's like you gotta sit down
• 51:58
  and sometimes just listen to somebody else.
• 52:02
  Just talk and it's not about them, looking for advice, it's
• 52:06
  live. Them.
• 52:07
  I just need an ear to listen. That's all it is.
• 52:10
  Yeah. Again he say you know, kind of
• 52:13
  empathize but Hey listen that's that's that's the whole point of
• 52:16
  empathy, right there. I mean you late, you literally
• 52:19
  laid it out right there, you know?
• 52:20
  Like I could be so many conversations.
• 52:22
  I've had where I felt like in my head like this pointless, all
• 52:26
  I'm doing is going, yeah, I'm so sorry that it's like that.
• 52:30
  Like a my how is this? Helping like if someone was
• 52:32
  there with me. But again like you said What
• 52:36
  works for you or what's right for you?
• 52:39
  Is different for that. Like, maybe for them having
• 52:41
  someone there being like, hey, it's gonna be all right, buddy,
• 52:44
  it's gonna be okay. Maybe that is what you need to
• 52:46
  hear. I don't know.
• 52:47
  I suppose it really depends. Sometimes people just need, you
• 52:50
  know let it out and just have somebody they can just talk to
• 52:54
  or talk at I guess, you know. Yeah, that's as I mentioned
• 53:01
  earlier I wanted to walk a little bit through sort of your
• 53:04
  life outside of Saying because I feel like, well, first of all,
• 53:09
  it's interesting and secondly, I feel like it does kind of shed
• 53:13
  an interesting light on on your office, your decision to then
• 53:17
  get into acting and then like using using what you've learned
• 53:20
  from life and channeling that into your performances.
• 53:23
  So let's just start with your military career.
• 53:26
  What would you say? We're your biggest kind of
• 53:28
  lessons and takeaways from your time in the military.
• 53:31
  Man, it's tough ones. Use the biggest lessons.
• 53:36
  The biggest thing I could sit here and say as far as that is,
• 53:41
  everybody's responsible for themself that.
• 53:45
  That's the that's something I learned on that aspect.
• 53:47
  You can try as much as possible to help somebody, but
• 53:51
  ultimately, it's up to them to sit here and want to change, or
• 53:57
  to want to do something like, it's ultimately up to you, and
• 54:01
  that's That's something I built. I feel very strongly about is
• 54:05
  this one? The biggest thing is I learned,
• 54:07
  it's either you do it or you don't you put yourself into it
• 54:12
  or you don't. And it's so interesting to learn
• 54:16
  that cuz it's no longer like everything is in your hands.
• 54:21
  If you could put it up to that, even the things that go through
• 54:24
  your hard times. Well, how are you going to get
• 54:27
  over that hard time, right? How are you going to get over
• 54:30
  that? That mistake that you made?
• 54:32
  Or that you know, unfortunate traumatizing and how are you
• 54:34
  going to get over to? How are you going to deal with
• 54:37
  it and move on from there? That's something I learned
• 54:40
  directly from, being in the military, is to be a stronger
• 54:45
  person, as yourself just be you, but be a stronger version of
• 54:50
  you. I guess, is the sit here and
• 54:52
  best way to sit here and say it while still, you know, being
• 54:56
  able to go about your business and go about your day, like,
• 55:00
  even when I first came home, you know, I found it so hard to deal
• 55:05
  with so many people just talking about so many things.
• 55:10
  Oh, you know, I had my test today and, you know, it was
• 55:13
  really hard, it was really stressful and I'm like, oh, is
• 55:17
  that a stressful as being in a war zone?
• 55:19
  No, my my job at, you know, knocking anybody but, you know,
• 55:29
  my job at McDonald's or whatever maybe.
• 55:31
  This rude. Customer.
• 55:33
  Oh, where you can shout out now? No, no.
• 55:35
  All right, it's terrible. Yeah, no, I found it so hard.
• 55:39
  Just to deal with people on a regular basis, and it's
• 55:44
  something I had to get through dealing with that.
• 55:46
  You know, I'm no longer like that.
• 55:48
  Now, I'm like, that sucks. Yeah, like I get it, you know,
• 55:51
  but being in the military is like so life-altering and
• 55:58
  changing, it makes you responsible.
• 56:01
  Table for you is the best way I can sit here and say, you know,
• 56:04
  you're no longer holding anybody else accountable for, you know
• 56:09
  your own actions. It's you you're responsible for.
• 56:12
  You is the best way I can sit here and say, you want to go out
• 56:15
  and see something, get out there and do it.
• 56:17
  You know, you want to sit here and you may fail.
• 56:19
  And that's the other thing, you know, it's your thing, you're
• 56:21
  gonna learn, you may fail, and it's alright to fail, but if you
• 56:25
  don't sit here and get out there and put yourself into that
• 56:27
  situation, you never going to ever know, you know what I mean?
• 56:30
  Like, that's the best. A I can sit here and say you
• 56:33
  learned to be the strongest version of view where you can
• 56:35
  fall on your ass and get back up again.
• 56:38
  That's really, it's kind of awesome actually I like that.
• 56:42
  Anyways, it's only for me. Thanks for sharing, man.
• 56:45
  Are you also a peace officers are correct.
• 56:49
  Sometimes I was. Yes, yes.
• 56:51
  II was a police officer? Yes.
• 56:54
  And I, you know, what's funny about that is like when I joined
• 57:01
  I did it because, you know, I wanted to help people, right?
• 57:03
  And it was something that meant a lot to me.
• 57:06
  I want to help people and save people, you know, wasn't you
• 57:09
  know, say to people, you know, here I am.
• 57:11
  You know, the, the hero complex right now
• 57:25
  As possible and slowly but surely I realized you know it's
• 57:31
  it wasn't that that's not what that was and I quickly fell out
• 57:35
  of love with it and I was like you know what, this isn't for
• 57:39
  me. Like this is not what I'm about.
• 57:42
  This is not what I stand for. I'm like Because you're like
• 57:47
  bureaucratic bullshit or just things you, so maybe Lori with
• 57:51
  morally, maybe angel. That.
• 57:54
  While first things was an entire, there's a lot of things
• 57:56
  I saw that. I didn't just didn't agree with
• 57:59
  morally. The one thing that always sticks
• 58:01
  out of my head, you know, tonight, as well as well
• 58:06
  whereabouts, where you're a police officer because fun fact.
• 58:08
  I've had a former police officer on the show from New York, but
• 58:12
  Lena why it's, yeah, it's the NYPD, you know, so it's like,
• 58:18
  you know, one of the biggest names in police, right?
• 58:21
  And there's a couple things like the one incident Always sticks
• 58:24
  out to me, is we got a call one time like these group, of kids,
• 58:31
  inside of a building of a Home Depot, parking lot and it was
• 58:37
  just a kids playing football, right?
• 58:41
  That's all it was. The store was closed.
• 58:43
  There was no cars in a parking lot, whatever.
• 58:45
  Maybe they're just having fun tossing around a football.
• 58:51
  Yeah, it's 10:00 at night 10. 12:00 at night, you know?
• 58:55
  Okay, cool. I get it or they really supposed
• 58:57
  to be there. No, the store is closed.
• 58:59
  You're not supposed to be there. You know.
• 59:03
  Did they have a fence? No they didn't that Gates wide
• 59:05
  open you know. And here comes like a bunch of
• 59:09
  other officers and they just start taking their stuff and
• 59:12
  rifling through it. I'm just like holy, hold on a
• 59:14
  second. You're not you're not really
• 59:16
  allowed to do that. Are you stopping them?
• 59:19
  Are they under arrest? Are you riding them?
• 59:21
  A citation? Well, what are you doing?
• 59:24
  I like that's kind of against there, a manager.
• 59:26
  You're forcing them to give them, you know, you're give you
• 59:30
  their property and you can just open it willingly.
• 59:32
  I'm like, that's, that's not cool, man.
• 59:34
  That's not cool at all. Like, what are you doing?
• 59:37
  And then it brings in the question.
• 59:39
  Well, why are you even here bothering them?
• 59:42
  Because I remember like, it's like, four or five cars pulled
• 59:45
  up and it's just a bunch of kids playing football in a Home Depot
• 59:48
  parking lot. Are they breaking things?
• 59:51
  Know, are they being Rowdy and Loud?
• 59:53
  Know they're Not game of football, or would you rather
• 59:56
  than sit here and that's my alarm.
• 59:58
  I'm sorry. Would you rather them sit here
• 1:00:02
  and let you know, be dealing drugs or selling drugs, or
• 1:00:05
  taking drugs, or would you rather good be playing football
• 1:00:08
  in a Home Depot parking lot? Like, I don't understand that
• 1:00:11
  concept, like, here's a group of kids doing absolutely nothing
• 1:00:16
  wrong except being, you know, in a parking lot after hours, you
• 1:00:19
  know, but for all intensive purposes, are they bothering
• 1:00:23
  anybody? No.
• 1:00:24
  But here you are busting their balls because you got a call to
• 1:00:29
  go to there and then now you're rifling through.
• 1:00:32
  That's not open take it's not open season away from through
• 1:00:35
  their stuff to go through the things you have any reason to do
• 1:00:39
  that. No.
• 1:00:40
  And you see it happens more often than you think where you
• 1:00:44
  can sit here and get somebody on these question traps and you
• 1:00:50
  know, like I can't even do it now, I could still do it.
• 1:00:54
  You talk to somebody and it's like leading somebody down in
• 1:00:57
  line of questioning where you want them to get now or you want
• 1:01:00
  an answer from them but you want them to say unwilling.
• 1:01:04
  Well, what were you doing? Why are you here?
• 1:01:06
  Why is this? Why is that?
• 1:01:07
  Who brought you here? Well, you know, how long have
• 1:01:09
  you been here for? And you?
• 1:01:11
  You it's a very kind of like, tricky way of doing things and
• 1:01:17
  I'm just like, it's I like to take people at their word for
• 1:01:20
  the most part and I'm like, that's kind of doesn't sit,
• 1:01:23
  right? With me a lot of times and you
• 1:01:26
  see it happens more often than you think getting somebody to
• 1:01:30
  say something that they didn't actually mean, or getting
• 1:01:33
  somebody to do something, they didn't actually do or say or
• 1:01:37
  mean to do, it's so easy and they teach you how to do it.
• 1:01:43
  That's the craziest thing in the world.
• 1:01:44
  They actually teach you how to do all this and it's like, I
• 1:01:49
  really didn't like that too much, and I did it for like
• 1:01:52
  seven years. But when did she I went like
• 1:01:56
  what years we are cop. I want to say like 2016, she
• 1:02:04
  does important know it was 2014, there was no never mind, it's
• 1:02:07
  2014. And then I officially got onto
• 1:02:12
  the streets like 2015, 2016 like that.
• 1:02:16
  So I did it for like seven years and I'm just like, I've kind of
• 1:02:22
  have enough of this because it starts changing Changing you as
• 1:02:25
  a person and you start questioning everybody's Motors
• 1:02:29
  and the only friends that you have our cops and and you're
• 1:02:32
  just like, it's very taxing and she's drawing.
• 1:02:38
  That's, that's the point. I didn't ask the, the other
• 1:02:41
  gentleman that I had, that was a police officer.
• 1:02:43
  Probably should have asked him this to.
• 1:02:45
  Like, how did people who weren't cops Footwear that did know, you
• 1:02:51
  how did they change their behavior towards you?
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  Oh yeah, oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  That it was, you know, you have your friends, you know, for, you
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  know, of the unsavory type, you know, the friends you've known
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  for like forever and a day and you're like, oh, you know, hold
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  on, hold on, you know, officer so-and-so is here now.
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  And I'm just like, bro, I'm not even working right now to begin
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  with. Just chill out with that.
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  And then you start getting paranoid too because but okay,
• 1:03:21
  I'll go off like the whole Duty cop thing.
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  Like you still. If you see that crime, I you
• 1:03:27
  still have to you do, yes? Yes, yes, yes, you're right.
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  I didn't see that. I mean, your little things you
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  like, maybe I shouldn't be, you know.
• 1:03:51
  Yeah, it looks like it's gonna get out of control.
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  Not be here, but like your you're overly like, egregious
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  things, like, no, I have to actually do something about
• 1:04:00
  this. So, it's like, at that point,
• 1:04:03
  you become even more Ultra aware of your, excuse me, if your
• 1:04:08
  surroundings of your situations, like, do I want to be in this
• 1:04:11
  situation? Do I not want to be in this
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  situation? Do I want to associate myself
• 1:04:14
  with these type of people? That's a whole other thing to
• 1:04:18
  sit here and get involved with. And you just like, it makes you
• 1:04:20
  hyper aware of everyone and everything.
• 1:04:25
  And you like, well, this guy's got his hands in his pockets.
• 1:04:28
  All right. Well, he could just have his
• 1:04:29
  hands in his pockets, or he could have something in his
• 1:04:32
  pocket, you know, you know, easy crew, door.
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  He's a criminal. Yeah, exactly.
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  It's either like, what are you doing?
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  You know what? This guy's got his hood on and
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  you're like, oh, all right. Cool.
• 1:04:44
  No, he has a hood on or he has his hood on and it's 90 degrees
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  outside. Yeah.
• 1:04:50
  You like you started thinking about all these different things
• 1:04:52
  and it's like all right. Cool.
• 1:04:56
  It just makes you really hyper way of everybody and then you
• 1:04:59
  start questioning everybody's motives.
• 1:05:01
  And that's where you're like, I don't know, bro.
• 1:05:07
  But that's a little difficult. What's the like craziest thing
• 1:05:11
  you ever saw as a cop? I don't know.
• 1:05:19
  Man is a few things. There's a few things.
• 1:05:25
  I think the crazy. Wow.
• 1:05:28
  I mean, geez, that's a tough one, dude, because I was, I was
• 1:05:35
  out during the riots for like, Eric Gardner and Freddie gray
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  and everything else like that. So, I did that I was at a parade
• 1:05:44
  in somebody's hand. Got caught off.
• 1:05:46
  Oh my God. Yeah, that was one.
• 1:05:50
  There was one that was a fire. And we had to do something about
• 1:05:55
  the fire. That was that one.
• 1:05:58
  There was people getting the car accidents fleeing from scenes
• 1:06:01
  and like you're flying down chasing, there's people down
• 1:06:04
  sometimes. Yeah, it's there's a lot of the
• 1:06:10
  most standout one. It was like this when I first
• 1:06:13
  started a woman had passed away and our own home and you got a
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  call and you always know it's going to be like something
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  because people Well there's a really bad smell coming from
• 1:06:25
  this particular part and you're like, oh, okay, and it smells
• 1:06:30
  like rotting fruit and you like, oh, okay, cool.
• 1:06:34
  Alright, you instinctively know like because again from the
• 1:06:38
  military I you know you've been around a few things and you're
• 1:06:41
  like alright and this woman was there and she had passed down
• 1:06:45
  the way she had passed out was half her body was on her bed and
• 1:06:49
  then have her body was on the floor.
• 1:06:51
  Geez. And Oh and all the blood because
• 1:06:54
  now she's you know her her heart you know and her had her on the
• 1:06:58
  floor and everything else like that.
• 1:06:59
  So she's like kind of like half on the bed half from the floor,
• 1:07:01
  all the blood had you know pulled around her head in her
• 1:07:05
  and her face and her body and she turned purple and I'm just
• 1:07:09
  like, oh, oh, okay. And you know, you wait for the
• 1:07:13
  medical examiner and the EMTs, they do what they do.
• 1:07:15
  Because, you know, you're not allowed to touch the body
• 1:07:20
  because it could be a potentially a crime scene.
• 1:07:23
  Unless I get somebody like, who's actively dying, you know,
• 1:07:27
  where you have to jump in and Save Somebody.
• 1:07:29
  But yeah, that was one thing. Another thing is like, I gotta
• 1:07:32
  like, I was coming back from doing something and there's a
• 1:07:36
  call like a dead body in the street and I go to the person
• 1:07:40
  who called him like, Hey, did you call the guy?
• 1:07:42
  Yeah, office. And I gotta tell you something.
• 1:07:44
  It's a dead body in the street and I'm like, no, no, no, no,
• 1:07:49
  there's no dead body in the street, get out of here.
• 1:07:51
  You know, there's nobody around is Screaming, you didn't hear
• 1:07:53
  anything and you walk over like, oh shit.
• 1:07:55
  It really is a dead body and like in the middle of the damn
• 1:07:57
  road like oh, okay, all right, all along, like I get a bowl
• 1:08:01
  long now like I guess we're going to sit down and do this
• 1:08:03
  and do that and do everything else will be.
• 1:08:05
  I have to do, it gets absolutely insane and absolutely crazy.
• 1:08:11
  I've had people cry for help, I've had people call for help.
• 1:08:13
  I have people who didn't want help or my personal favorite is
• 1:08:18
  the person. Sometimes, people will call the
• 1:08:21
  police and then you'd have To arrest the person who called you
• 1:08:24
  because they're, you know, you you determine through your own
• 1:08:26
  investigation at their fault. They're like, well, I called
• 1:08:29
  you. So, how am I father?
• 1:08:32
  That's that's not how that works.
• 1:08:34
  And you have to do works at all buddy.
• 1:08:36
  Have to do with any Karen's where they just called you like,
• 1:08:40
  oh yeah. Oh yeah, that's Karen stories.
• 1:08:43
  Hey dash one. Yeah, the best Karen start
• 1:08:48
  actually comes from a guy wasn't male characters.
• 1:08:53
  Yeah, it was a male, Karen. All right, the best stories from
• 1:08:56
  a guide. Calvin.
• 1:08:58
  Yea really relevant story. I don't don't, don't spread that
• 1:09:01
  one around me, Covenant, write this out.
• 1:09:03
  There's a guy, I think, if I remember like a problem with,
• 1:09:06
  like a red light or something like that, it was something, you
• 1:09:08
  know, benign, and, and, you know, you go up to the license,
• 1:09:13
  registration proof of insurance, please.
• 1:09:14
  And thank you. And, uh, I'm being polite as
• 1:09:16
  much as humanly possible as much as the situation allows for it.
• 1:09:20
  And the I was like, well, why are you pulling lonely?
• 1:09:24
  I'll tell you soon as you produce documentation, I've
• 1:09:26
  requested, you know, I'm more than willing to explain to you
• 1:09:29
  and guys, like well officer, this is how, you know, they're
• 1:09:33
  going to be officer, would you see here and say that you get
• 1:09:38
  paid from the city right now? Now I'm a hard-working
• 1:09:46
  individual and, you know, I pay my taxes.
• 1:09:49
  I don't like, okay, very well. Would you my taxes go?
• 1:09:52
  To the city. I'm like, oh, okay, cool.
• 1:09:54
  So, would you say that, you know, my taxes pay your salary
• 1:09:58
  and by extension, would you sit here and say, I'm kind of your
• 1:10:00
  boss and I'm like, no, that's not how that works.
• 1:10:05
  No. I'm like, as I give me the
• 1:10:07
  documentation now. Now, now you're kind of being a
• 1:10:09
  dick to me. Yeah.
• 1:10:10
  And I'm going to be a dick to you, right?
• 1:10:12
  I'm like Shannon said, you called really like this.
• 1:10:14
  The rest of of big dick. But again, you know, Back to
• 1:10:23
  they, you know, you can work around it, you can use.
• 1:10:26
  Yeah, you can really ruin someone's day if you wanted to
• 1:10:29
  write, and I'm just like, well, no, just do it.
• 1:10:32
  Give me your license, registration proof of insurance.
• 1:10:34
  I stop your nonsense. Alright, finally gives it up and
• 1:10:37
  he's like, well, you know, this is where like the whole
• 1:10:41
  Sovereign Citizen and comes in as a thing like in the state's
• 1:10:44
  called being a sovereign citizen.
• 1:10:45
  Well, we have the free right to travel and we have the free
• 1:10:48
  right to know wrong between states and so on and so forth.
• 1:10:51
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and all this other stuff
• 1:10:53
  and I'm like, okay cool. Yeah, you do, but driving is a
• 1:10:58
  privilege and you have to be licensed to drive.
• 1:11:01
  You can free roam. However, you want a boy to be on
• 1:11:04
  bike or on foot or however, you want to go.
• 1:11:06
  But, you know, it driving is a privilege and that privilege can
• 1:11:09
  be revoked at any point in time. So, it's very nice try.
• 1:11:15
  You know, I've been to in court and Court.
• 1:11:18
  People have tried to fight me in court like forensically,
• 1:11:22
  Education. And I'm just like, that's not
• 1:11:25
  gonna end well for you, buddy likes him.
• 1:11:27
  Please don't do that. It's just people, you passenger
• 1:11:30
  books. Like, yeah, I have either given
• 1:11:34
  a ticket to or a of Arrested, something like people, try and
• 1:11:40
  fight you and you just like, but then again, like, you know,
• 1:11:45
  naturally a very big guy and I'm like, dude, that's really not
• 1:11:48
  gonna, you know, benefit you. But then again, Like you also
• 1:11:52
  get like a lot of kids who are like short and you know, scrawny
• 1:11:56
  and everything else like that. And you know, they put on the
• 1:11:59
  shield and they put on the new, the uniform and all of some.
• 1:12:02
  Now they can fight. Now they can shoot not even
• 1:12:04
  there there, The Incredible Hulk or whatever.
• 1:12:07
  And I'm just like, you know, I'm like the uniform me, personally,
• 1:12:12
  it doesn't go for everybody. The, the uniform kind of brings
• 1:12:16
  out something in you. I don't know.
• 1:12:20
  It kind of makes you like A bit of a dick sometimes, it doesn't
• 1:12:24
  apply to everybody, of course. But, you know, I feel like
• 1:12:27
  people do join for the very wrong reasons.
• 1:12:30
  And then you put that uniform on, and it's like, it's like,
• 1:12:34
  dude. No.
• 1:12:35
  I you're just like an asshole, bro.
• 1:12:38
  Who, like chill the fuck out? Were you always this way or the
• 1:12:42
  uniform make it out? Well, I gotta, I don't know.
• 1:12:46
  You, you and especially throughout the years.
• 1:12:48
  You just become so jaded to like so many different things.
• 1:12:52
  As you like, I don't know. I watched a, I mean, up at this
• 1:12:58
  was, this was an old 70s movie, but Serpico, I'm sure you're
• 1:13:02
  probably familiar with it, Al Pacino movie, that's actually,
• 1:13:06
  yeah, Serpico. That's actually based on a very
• 1:13:08
  true. Yeah, yeah, that's a crazy thing
• 1:13:12
  in the world that was a real deal, kind of thing.
• 1:13:16
  I wondered like, ugh. I know it's a long time ago, but
• 1:13:19
  we've what you mentioned earlier about how you see certain things
• 1:13:21
  in the job that maybe are not all there.
• 1:13:23
  Like, would you say modern And policing is better or worse when
• 1:13:28
  you use that kind of as an example like a measurement of
• 1:13:32
  how things used to be. I don't know that that's you
• 1:13:48
  because it does happen. It does happen where you're
• 1:13:53
  putting two like these situations as like these are you
• 1:13:56
  making break situations, I right, the make you a better
• 1:13:59
  person. I don't, I don't know.
• 1:14:03
  I guess you you find out who you are.
• 1:14:05
  I guess is the best way to explain it.
• 1:14:09
  II, are you find out who you are or where you're Mortals draw,
• 1:14:13
  wherever from right? I guess it's the best way to say
• 1:14:17
  it. You you you find out, you know,
• 1:14:21
  what you're really about. I, I guess that's the bed.
• 1:14:27
  I don't know, man. Like there's a very tricky way
• 1:14:29
  she and I said it's a heavy question.
• 1:14:33
  You you find out the real you I guess.
• 1:14:38
  You know, because it's so easy to fall down like a rabbit hole
• 1:14:42
  but something like, well, I let this slide so I could let this
• 1:14:46
  slide or I did this, so I could do it again or I could do this.
• 1:14:52
  It's I don't. That's so, man.
• 1:14:55
  That's a tough one. Do do like it, but it's good on
• 1:14:59
  you for that. Let's go for a more fun one.
• 1:15:04
  There's a lot of shows in the states, like plea, I've got a
• 1:15:08
  lot of them as well at police dashcam style shows where you
• 1:15:11
  expose different types of criminals and they give me a lot
• 1:15:14
  of fun. I'm wondering with your
• 1:15:16
  experiences as a police officer stupidest City like as in the
• 1:15:23
  stupidest criminal you came across you must have some
• 1:15:25
  stories where you just like oh yeah.
• 1:15:29
  I have one word it was I was they call it a post your at a
• 1:15:36
  post, edit a specific area. You're not supposed to leave our
• 1:15:39
  this. You're not supposed to leave
• 1:15:40
  this area or the surrounding area.
• 1:15:42
  So they call our post and I'm in the car and this woman comes up
• 1:15:47
  and she just knocks on the window she's like she's me
• 1:15:49
  officer. Can I talk to you for a second?
• 1:15:50
  I'm like yeah. What's up?
• 1:15:51
  So you know short talk to me. She goes well There was a guy
• 1:16:00
  and I went to go buy drugs and I bought the drugs I gave him the
• 1:16:05
  money and he gave me, you know, the bag that I thought was
• 1:16:08
  supposed to be you know crack and it wasn't, it was a bunch of
• 1:16:11
  tic tacs and I'm just like, she's like I just wanted to make
• 1:16:17
  you aware of it and I want to know if there's something you
• 1:16:19
  could do about it and I'm like, let me get this straight, you're
• 1:16:24
  coming to the police, she goes yes.
• 1:16:26
  And I'm like You, you went to a purchase illegal drugs, she's
• 1:16:30
  like, yes and your drug dealer rip you off, right?
• 1:16:34
  And she goes, Can I just leave? I'm like yeah you can just leave
• 1:16:43
  just like the clock ticking in your head, you know, like hey I
• 1:16:51
  went to go buy drugs and I got ripped off now as a person, you,
• 1:16:56
  you know, you broke that bond between dealer and seller,
• 1:16:59
  right? Okay.
• 1:17:00
  Cool. You broke that Bond.
• 1:17:01
  All right. I get that concept as a cop.
• 1:17:05
  You're coming too. You know, report your illegal
• 1:17:09
  activities on somebody else's illegal activities and I'm just
• 1:17:12
  like, dude that's it. Did you run that conversation up
• 1:17:16
  through your head? If not, you know, rewind this
• 1:17:19
  and, you know, talk to me later. Okay?
• 1:17:22
  She's like, I can't just leave my get you, you can go if you
• 1:17:25
  like, it's all right. Go.
• 1:17:27
  I'm not gonna help you with your illegal drug situation.
• 1:17:31
  Yeah. You know, I guess you're asked
• 1:17:33
  out over ever money. You know, you still have the
• 1:17:35
  other one was A guy came up to me and he's like officer, I want
• 1:17:39
  to, I want to bring to your attention something, all right.
• 1:17:42
  What's up is like the bouncers? Throw me out of the club.
• 1:17:46
  I'm like, okay, he goes, yeah, I took my five dollars, I guess
• 1:17:50
  with the entrance fee, and he threw me out into the can't come
• 1:17:52
  in, and I'm like, well, and I try to get my money back.
• 1:17:54
  I'm like, okay cool. Well, where's the club?
• 1:17:57
  Well, you know, the barber shop over there?
• 1:17:59
  And I know that well, they run an illegal night club down
• 1:18:02
  there. I'm just like, all right, so now
• 1:18:04
  we I'm not gonna help you get your money.
• 1:18:07
  Back. But, you know, you just sat in,
• 1:18:08
  like, telling me like someone being.
• 1:18:10
  But by the way, were you just sitting there thinking like, we
• 1:18:12
  just like, uh, well work that he's just, um, that's extrema,
• 1:18:20
  it's not even that it's like x amount of paperwork.
• 1:18:22
  It's just like, do you like think about what you're saying
• 1:18:25
  first before you come up to a cop that you're illegal
• 1:18:28
  nightclub that you're at or the your legal jugs are trying to
• 1:18:31
  purchase and your kind of like see the cops can help you with
• 1:18:36
  your illegal? The situation I'm like Shania.
• 1:18:41
  No no problem. No that's not how that goes.
• 1:18:46
  Jesus people, man. I've had a lot of funny people.
• 1:18:50
  I've had a lot of ones man woman.
• 1:18:53
  I pulled over a woman one time and a lot of funny stories and
• 1:18:57
  she was like speeding. I pulled over and I'm like, you
• 1:19:00
  know, you know, I am a very particular reason that you're
• 1:19:03
  driving above the speed limit and she starts like off that it
• 1:19:07
  added up whatever and her friends like sitting in the car
• 1:19:09
  she's like officer stopped for a second.
• 1:19:11
  Please, I got to sit here and I'll be very honest with you.
• 1:19:14
  All right, what? Just had like, he's what was it?
• 1:19:18
  Like juice smoothies. That's what it was.
• 1:19:20
  And it is running right through her and she's got to take it.
• 1:19:22
  Like the biggest shit music, like possible and our stomach's
• 1:19:25
  Hurtin. And that's, and I'm just like,
• 1:19:30
  You made me you, you embarrassed yourself, you made me laugh.
• 1:19:33
  And I'm like, all right. I'll see you later.
• 1:19:35
  Like, you know, have had a go for it.
• 1:19:37
  I'll talk to you later. You know what it is.
• 1:19:41
  Like not every guy's a dick. It's, you can make me laugh, you
• 1:19:44
  know, I'll see you later. Like, I'll talk to you later
• 1:19:47
  provided. I had to write them.
• 1:19:48
  And guys, you know, you want to get off crime to make the
• 1:19:51
  coupler off as long as it's not like overly egregious than
• 1:19:56
  you'll be. All right, you know, The best
• 1:19:58
  way to say we can the dad dad jokes column.
• 1:20:02
  No problem. Yeah, jokes, exactly a couple of
• 1:20:11
  questions for you. What's the biggest what's the
• 1:20:15
  biggest life lesson you've learned so far?
• 1:20:24
  You can be the best yield that you could be.
• 1:20:26
  That's it. It's and only you be the best
• 1:20:30
  you that you could be is the best life lesson I ever learned.
• 1:20:35
  It's, you know, how were you gonna move on from this
• 1:20:38
  situation? How are you going to sit here
• 1:20:40
  and deal with this situation? Well what are you going to do to
• 1:20:42
  achieve your goal? And keep in mind that everything
• 1:20:45
  has an answer at that exact moment in time not everything is
• 1:20:49
  going to have an answer at that moment.
• 1:20:50
  I'm you're going to find out that answer along the way.
• 1:20:54
  But it's literally be the best you that you can be and don't
• 1:20:58
  hold anybody else to your standards because you're kind of
• 1:21:02
  just going to fail on. You're going to be disappointed.
• 1:21:06
  And what's the best advice you've ever received?
• 1:21:14
  If you want something go after it, don't ever be afraid to ask.
• 1:21:17
  I think best like I asked my teacher just recently, because
• 1:21:25
  of the, the acting teachers that I have are from the show's.
• 1:21:29
  I want to be on. Oh wow.
• 1:21:31
  So I recently asked my so I asked my teacher recently, I was
• 1:21:35
  like, hey, I hope I'm not crossing any boundaries and
• 1:21:38
  aligns or whatever, maybe. But if I can do you mind.
• 1:21:43
  Introducing me to the casting director or at least introducing
• 1:21:47
  me to you know your agency your agent, you know, as I hope I
• 1:21:50
  didn't cross any kind of lines whatever may be and the one
• 1:21:54
  thing he said her and said was she's like, first things first.
• 1:21:57
  Don't ever be afraid to ask for what you want because no one's
• 1:22:00
  going to give it to you. You gotta ask you got to put
• 1:22:03
  yourself out there and ask you and on a me and that's okay.
• 1:22:07
  It's don't be afraid to ask. They're just really what it is.
• 1:22:10
  You just don't be afraid to ask you know.
• 1:22:14
  As we draw things to a close today, do you have any upcoming
• 1:22:16
  projects or final thoughts that you'd like to share?
• 1:22:23
  But yourself out there that adds its I have a couple project.
• 1:22:27
  I don't I've done a few audio books and a few show ya, the
• 1:22:32
  audio books right? Oh man, I have a story about
• 1:22:35
  audiobook right quick. There is a book.
• 1:22:38
  I did it was for a religious text and it was like if I
• 1:22:46
  remember correctly, it was like the queen of the coast and her
• 1:22:50
  evil minions and The guy was a very religious person and I had
• 1:22:55
  to sit here and there's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:22:57
  It doesn't bother me. But what did bother me was that
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  I had to say like in the name of Jesus over 200 times and I'm
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  just like, oh man, like it was just pulling teeth because he
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  was in various way in different lines of in the name of Jesus
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  and it was every evil fired. Every evil Arrow fired back at
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  me. I fire back.
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  You in the name of Jesus. Every evil intention fired at
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  me. I fired directly back at you in
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  the name of Jesus, Jesus in the name of Jesus, and it was over
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  200 times. And again, it's not knocking
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  anybody, you know, believe who you whatever you want to
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  believe. Now, that's all fine and dandy
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  but so long as it is just man, Jesus in the name of Jesus right
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  here, and that's exactly. In the name of Jesus.
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  Because even, you know, you could be the best actor in the
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  world. And even then, you know, they
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  still talk to coaches and they still talk to actors and classes
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  even LeBron James still practices, you know, get out
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  there take the acting classes and just put yourself out there.
• 1:24:40
  That's the best advice I can ever give anybody just take the
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  classes and put yourself out there.
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  You may be naturally, talented and good at something.
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  Yeah, that's cool. But you still gotta practice, No
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  problem, you know what I mean? You still gotta practice these.
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  I gotta try and make sure that's be.
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  Yeah, make sure you do it all in the name of Jesus.
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  Jesus. Jesus.
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  At least I've seen it all. So, anyways, I can't even think
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  with Jesus. Yeah, man.
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  Yeah, it's it was a, it was a tough one.
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  I made it through it. I could just sit here now, just
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  say that for the next half an hour,
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  The catchphrase. All right.
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  All right. It has been a pleasure.
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  Thank you so much for appearing on the show.
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  It's been a bit with a blast. You always thank you for having
• 1:26:22
  me brother. Thing, thank you.
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  It's been fun. It's an enticement fun.
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  Yeah, that's that's why I always wanted to be man from.
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  And thank you so much for making it fun and everybody make sure
• 1:26:36
  you go check out Jonathan online.
• 1:26:38
  He's an amazing voice actor. Really, really just incredible
• 1:26:42
  is craft a real just. Yeah, we're always spiration.
• 1:26:45
  Keep doing what you're doing. You are too.
• 1:26:48
  You are too kind. Hey, you into coming to?
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  Thank you. So mean it.
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  I see what you're doing. In the name of Jesus.
• 1:27:10
  Let me know, in the name of Jesus.
• 1:27:26
  I appreciate you brother, man. Thank you so much for having me
• 1:27:28
  again. Christian, read podcast.
• 1:27:33
  I hope you enjoyed this. As much as I did be safe, be
• 1:27:37
  well, and I'll see you in the next one.