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S2 Ep1 - From Graphic Designer to Global Artist: The Karina Jambrak Story · The Booth Juice Creative Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: All the juice straight from the maker booth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Booth Juice.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to season two of the Booth Juice.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am so excited to be kicking it off with a very special guest from Sydney today.
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  SPEAKER_01: She was one of our very first makers when I opened back in 2020 and has remained one of our best-selling artists.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm so excited to have her here and tell her story.
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  SPEAKER_01: So please welcome my very dear friend Karina Sherbach.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is so exciting.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, thanks for taking time out of your holiday to come and chat with us.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: Probably the best time to get me because I'm like at peace and clarity, so it's good.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now you have like over last time I checked 113,000 followers or something crazy.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: But for those who don't follow you or don't know you, can you tell us a bit more about who you are and what you do and that sort of thing?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I am an artist from Sydney.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm also a mum of two, which is probably my main role in life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, no, artists from Sydney, I paint and illustrate, and uh mainly inspired by nature and travels.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but my artworks, I aim to just bring peace and hope and joy to people's homes, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, kind of like Dreamscapes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've done a few different series and we've we've tried to keep up with a lot of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So for those who have been in Maker, probably recognize at the moment you've got your gorgeous, more portrait style, like above us, like girls.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, can you tell us what that series is inspired by?
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  SPEAKER_00: So um when I first started, it was basically just landscapes, animals, things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: As I got into it, I did want to incorporate um girls uh kind of just like an imitation of my life, not realistically, obviously, but um just inspired by events that have occurred in my life.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's what that collection was about.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's called Fruits of Their Labour.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's about um just growing up with my grandparents and mum who like loved animals.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: We all had lots of cooking and animals around us, and it's very everything was done by hand, and yeah, it's just about that process of growing up in that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you probably have that creativity like built into you, I suppose.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I grew up with my grandma a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like mum worked a lot, so I was always with my grandma.
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  SPEAKER_00: She always did everything by hand.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's Italian, so well, she was Italian.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So she always cooking, always sewing, like we were always at the sewing machine, um, making things.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: She was also like a massive like problem solver.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, she we call her the first MacGyver because like she would problem solve anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I think I learned some skills through that as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, lots of creativity growing up.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So then as you got a bit older and you left school and stuff, did was it natural for you to try and find a creative sort of industry to fall into?
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was I'm very much well, I was a kid who like I couldn't do anything that I didn't really, really love.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would just kind of zone out.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so the only way forward for me was to be creative.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um back when I finished school, there was no social media or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the next step was to do design, I think, because there was really no artists that we knew or that I knew of that were kind of using it as a full-time job.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was always like a side gear.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, went into design and kind of got my my degree through that.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you did study, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I studied design, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Bachelor of Design at the Uni of New South Wales College of Fine Arts.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I majored in textile and graphics, um, which was good, I think, because it taught me like lots of design principles and things that I wouldn't have known otherwise.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I've now incorporated that into my work.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So after studying, did you then go on to work for someone else or did you sort of freelance or yes?
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  SPEAKER_00: I did lots of textile design work, mainly commercial would have been like big W kids' pajamas, things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, when I first started.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I did go on to working for a few like fashion brands, but mostly mostly it was commercial work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, halfway through I kind of stopped working for people and did my own thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I did lots of freelance work for brands like Mambo, things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, you did work.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've read that you've worked with a lot of cool brands.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in that era, yeah, Mambo, something else, Tiger Lily, Tiger Lily, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so but between then I also had a homeware store, so kind of like what you guys have, which you might not know.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, I didn't know that.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I had that for a couple of years with my friend.
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  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was that called?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um it was called Sky Parlour.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cute.
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  SPEAKER_00: They had a little shop in Kensington, like near where we live, so yeah, it was awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was right when online shopping was starting, so figuring out shipping and like we had big vases and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we kind of lost money on that one.
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  SPEAKER_00: As you know, shipping vases is not ideal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um we did that for a couple of years, and I had Ivy, and it was just became a little bit hard to kind of keep up the shop with the newborn, yeah.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: First kid didn't know what I was doing.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, we kind of stopped doing that, and then I that's when I started working for Tiger Lily, probably like a when Ivy was like one.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so when you say you worked for Tiger Lily, what sort of things were you doing?
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: I worked like as an employee at Tiger Lily, so it wasn't uh freelance.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, but um they brought me in, I just did graphics basically marketing graphics, and then I'd do textiles, some textiles on the side.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, mainly all of their catalogues and point of sale stuff, so window stickers, that kind of thing.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And did you enjoy that period of time, or did you become sort of feel like you were like not fulfilled enough creatively?
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually loved working there, but we were surrounded by a really cool team, um, all women, like it.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was actually very cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it boosted me a bit after having a kid, you're kind of a bit lost of where you sit in the world.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, yeah, so that kind of gave me a bit of encouragement that I actually did want to still be creative and did want to still work.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was there for probably maybe five years.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or maybe a bit less, maybe four years.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's so nice to hear because I think a lot of people, um when they're a creative, like working for someone else, sometimes that can be a bit frustrating or whatever, but it's lovely to hear that it was more of a spark and you know increasing.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I do think sometimes when you work for people, it kind of dulls your creative vision or your creativity because you're being told what to do.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but in that point of my life, I think my brain was operating at like half capacity, so it's kind of good test and direction, of course.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, cool.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: So then what changed after that?
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: I suppose you've you ended up leaving Tiger.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: That I was made redundant.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, okay.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: It was pretty hectic.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my husband had to have like it was really random, we had to have open heart surgery.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, what you know, full on to have his aorta replaced.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well at the same time as being made redundant.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was like a few months apart, and we had to put our dog down at the end of the year.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it was kind of like three massive, massive things happened that year.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I was like such a shell of a person.
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  SPEAKER_00: I look back at photos of myself and I just think, oh gosh.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um Wow, what an intense period.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so he and I had like a six-month-old baby, and Ivy was like three.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was just like it was a lot of.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, how did you go navigating all of that?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think you just kind of survival mode.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: You just play out through because you've got no choice.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, no, after it, I think I really re-evaluated like what I was doing and what I wanted, and I hated the fact that I was made redundant, like after Sean had just had open heart surgery, so he couldn't work either.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: So we were both unemployed basically.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: He has his own business, so he was fine.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it was hard, like, and I hated being in someone else's hands, I guess, like my salary being up to someone else.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um after that, yeah, that year I took off.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in September.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Sean was in May, then I met his maid redundant in July, and then our dog got put down in September.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: And this was all 2018.
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  SPEAKER_00: All 2018, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, after that year, I kind of re-evaluated and I just started, I did get another part-time job at another uh fashion label.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just doing marketing graphics, but I really um wanted to do my own business again, and I really wanted to do it like well, I think, like I had that drive.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And initially, did you think because you were doing graphics and stuff that your business would be more graphic, or did you go, no, I'd like to go back to doing more art?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because I know that I I kind of skipped over that a little bit, but I did also read that when you were 17 you were painting and selling at the markets and stuff.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: So you sort of painted and then went into graphics and I've always painted.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, my mum always encouraged my painting, like she put me into every art class you could possibly find.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just the one thing that I loved.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if I had nothing on, I was like drawing or colouring or painting always.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was never like the best drawer, yeah, but I just love it.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like I love the imaginative side of it, I think, rather than the actual like realistic drawing part.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was never really good at that.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: But my creativity, yeah, always was there.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, in high school, um, when I was doing my HSC, I think, or maybe it was like a year before my HSC, the landscape gardener from our school actually was like, Can I please buy your painting like out of the art room?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so good.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's so sweet.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then you offered me like$200 and was like, Can I can I buy it off you?
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember if I gave it to him or not.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: But um, it kind of made me think like maybe I can sell them when I finish school.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: So once I finished school, I yeah, I sat at the markets.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: I also used to paint for like this wholesaler.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: He he was like an interior design wholesaler and he would offload artworks to people's homes and cafes and things like that.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: And he would give me pictures and he'd be like, Can you paint like this?
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd just basically copy it.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's so bad.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: But like I would just do what he told me, and every week I'd do like five paintings for him.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I was bringing in and he was paying me nothing, it's probably like$200 a painting.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: But to me, I was like, I'm making like a thousand dollars.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think for like a creative to be recognized is such a boost, at particularly at the young age, too.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: So that's so good.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I had nothing to lose when I was 17.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think everything was a win for me.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like I would just sit there painting at the markets, and I just didn't care.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you just don't have that.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: No, like now I feel a lot more pressure to like do it well and do it right.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: But back then I was just like, yeah, got nothing to lose.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it was good, good learning curve.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: So then, like throughout doing graphics and stuff, you're still painting, you know, in the background.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so then when I had the kids, I didn't paint as much.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's obviously messy, takes up lots of time to pack up, you know, clean up.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I just went back to oh, so in year 10 I did like a what is it called, like a work experience.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: With uh this design agency that was doing marketing like merchandise for uh Cirque de Soleil.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was really cool because I got to see how they designed it all and they had this like massive, massive drawer of copic markers and every single colour, like, and those markers are like ten dollars a marker, so I knew that it was like special and I loved it.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: I love stationery, it's my thing.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um yes, so um, yeah.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: So once I started doing stuff while I had the kids, I thought I'm just gonna go back to copic markers because they're really easy to create with, easy to pack away.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: I could just do it on the dining table while the kids are there.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I just started the artworks with those.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I think I just did about four or five artworks.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, while while the kids were like, I remember Bo being on like a playmat, like poor thing, I probably wasn't even looking at him, he was just doing his own thing.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Ivy's probably, I don't know, doing something else.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, uh, it was the only way I could kind of create it, it was easy and yeah, absolutely quick.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I had ever heard of copic markers until I, you know, met you as well.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I was so fascinated by your techniques and stuff.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well when I started, yeah, I actually did loads of collections with them.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think they were some of our first ones, yeah.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've stopped that.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: I've got a lot more time now.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: So then I've got a studio and my kids are older, so back to painting.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's so good.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: So your studio, I know that that's a bit of a new if did you add that to your house?
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we bought our house probably like four years ago, yeah, and then I think we've had the studio maybe a year and a half now.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you're loving it.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Ugh, yeah, it's my dream.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: I dreamed to have my own studio in my house.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so good.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: I can work, and and that's what I wanted.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like when I was made redundant, I was also working so hard at work, missing out on the kids.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I was like, what is this for?
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so to be able to blessing.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I always think like when you're going through the worst time in your life, like it's just pushing you up to do something better.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so yeah, now I get to work from home, the kids come home from school, I see them, they go inside, I get to still work, and they know I'm there, and they're not on top of me either because it's a bit it's at the other end of the backyard.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: So that's good.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, it's I've created a life that it works for us, it's good.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: So when you were sort of starting out trying to start your brand, was this so this is 2019 for context?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so how did you start?
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, obviously, you've got your copic marker pieces.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Were you selling you just originals online?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how did you pick it in?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: You can't actually sell copic marker originals, okay?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because it they fade.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right, okay.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I would could never sell originals, so I was scanning them basically.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I had my little scanner next to me.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Everything I just did everything myself.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: I've always done everything myself.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, scanned them and basically used my graphic design skills to kind of get the files up and get them up to scratch, and yeah, just got a printer that I found online, did lots of research.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm making it sound like I just did it overnight, but I didn't.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: There was lots of research involved and um finding the right price points, as you know, like you want the margins.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: I knew that from when I had my homewares because I think like everything you do in life does lead you to different points where you yeah, you're growing and learning as you go, even though some things might be a failure.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um learning curves.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: So um uh yeah, lots of research, but I I did end up doing it.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't even know what I was thinking at the beginning, like I don't know how I thought it was gonna work, but it yeah, it did.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: And did you just sort of like start an Instagram and make a website?
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: And did like did you have past contacts or anything, or did you just sort of no, not really started sharing?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, started sharing and I think I had a little bit of an audience from working at Tiger Lily, like I had started posting bits and pieces here and there.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I had a little bit of an audience, but uh not much, probably like a thousand people.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: So uh I just started sharing, yeah.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: And as I continued, I just kept going.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, at the beginning it's basically friends and family who are purchasing, um, which is great, but then you've got kind of got to keep the ball rolling, yeah.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: Just started, you know, marketing on Instagram, got picked up by the junglo, which was amazing for me.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: They had like a million followers here in the US, so um that kind of propelled my work a bit further, obviously, and got me the followers and yeah, so just I don't know.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think when you put yourself out there, yeah, you just kind of get opportunities along with you.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you just sort of kept saying yes and exactly the jungle is huge.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: How did they did they just stumble across your Instagram or did you reach out?
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Or I'd never reached out.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: I used to hashtag like jungle vibes because my my stuff was quite jungle inspired, um, and I've always loved their stuff.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like ever since I had my homework store, that was the brand that we loved.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, yeah, I just started hashtagging and they must have randomly found me.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: And they actually had Tani's work.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: So Tani Kelland, who yeah, my Instagram wife.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh they had her work on there.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's so cool.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's so funny.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: We've uh I'll dive back into that in a minute after we talk about this because it's internet friends are wonderful.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: They are the best.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I have known you for years, and I feel like I've known Tani for years, even though I only met you in person last year.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um I still haven't met Tani in real life just yet.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: But well, neither have I, but I feel like we have.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, yeah, yeah.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: So they will the jungle o just emailed me one day.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: So amazing.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I read it like 10 times.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: I remember I cried.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, is that the real thing is this the real thing?
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: Is it another jungle o that like like a spin-off that I've never heard of, like a dodgy brand that are trying to be them?
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, but no, they were amazing to work with, like so cool.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and were they after originals or prints or what sort of things?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: They just prints, yeah, amazing.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: They printed them all and sold them all from there, so I just gave them the files.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, got a percentage of sales, which was but just the exposure, like yeah, the exposure was amazing, and yeah, Tani and I navigated that one together, which is cool, because that's when we became quite close.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's so nice.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was really awesome.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: And how soon after launching was that?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is that still in 2019?
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh, now you've got me stuck.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, to be honest, but it wasn't long after, it would have been like six months after I launched, which was crazy, and then they made me like developer range for them, cool, which is cool, and then um I think they had it for like six months or something, and then I got it back.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it was really, really awesome.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, amazing, and then soon after we found you, which is bizarre because I really I'm you must have just really been propelled, maybe then, when I mum and I came across you.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was and then we thought that you had been around for years.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think we just assumed that oh wow, you're super established and stuff, and then you were one of our very first artists.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: I remember like our our images when I first opened.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think I had most of your pieces, I had like two of mum's paintings, and the rest were pretty much your artwork.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that's like to me, when I think of back of opening the store, I instantly think of you, and like back when we had like kupadamas and random things that we don't have nowadays, but um yeah, it's really special to me because I thought that you just like super established and yet you don't know the video before, yeah, just faking it till I make it.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, no, um, I know that's so cool though.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Which is so nice, yes, and that's why we do feel like we've known each other for ages because like it's all a journey, I guess.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: So nice.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's so lovely.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: So then you are stocked in quite a few places around Australia, yeah.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: A few and the world?
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: Are you stocking overseas now?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Japan, Department.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Really cool, cool, yeah.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: How'd you get those connections?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: I really don't know.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think the power of social media, especially when we started, yeah, it was so much easier than it is now.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think just I did a few trade shows.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, look, I don't even know really how they found me, but yeah, I do think it's it's mainly because of Instagram.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Social media, yeah, cool.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's social Instagram can be good sometimes.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: It can be really good.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: At the moment it feels hard, and I feel sad for people who are starting now because it is a lot harder and there's a lot more metrics and all these things.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: But when we started, it was just kind of like you put up one photo, people liked it, yeah, it went all over the world, like it was great, and now it's just like you've got to do all these song and dances, and it feels like a lot, especially for creatives who just like to be in their little space with no camera, so um, it's much harder now, yeah.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, how do you go with all of that nowadays being a bit busier and stuff like because I know you do a lot yourself, like because you obviously painting, printing, packing, you do everything, yes, but then to run social media on top of that.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any help with it?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I do it very well.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, like it's fine, it's it's going, it's going.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't have a strategy, no.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm terrible with social media.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: I also don't like the pressure of it.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: I just I don't love it.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: I've got my mailing list, which um I yeah, I use that probably more than Instagram.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, look, I don't know.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think don't you can't do it so much where it becomes you.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I feel like I was trying to change who I was to kind of follow everyone else and and get the likes, and now I just don't care.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's and it's it's much more freeing.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: I just chuck some photos up there and my girls.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like, yeah, you do that.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I yeah, I just don't I don't love it.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's just not me.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: So and I'm fine with that.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that you have such a wonderful community now, I suppose that support you so well, and of course, uh probably reading your emails and stuff more so than you know, if the algorithm isn't showing up or whatever.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: So it's lovely that you've like established that.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm so lucky.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I've got such a great community.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I do feel really blessed with that because often like I will get a lot more support from people that I don't even know than my actual friends and family.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: So it is really nice to have that.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I really do like people send me the most beautiful messages, and I just think, gosh, I don't know, there's lovely people in the world.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's really nice.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's great.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that's probably really good too, like, particularly if you're working in a studio on your own, you know.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think being an Sometimes you can be a little lonely, so the internet can help a bit with that.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: And people that are going through the same experience as you, like half my friends don't get it, which I don't blame them, that's fine.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: They just have regular, like corporate jobs, and that's yeah, but they don't get they just see me putting all this stuff on Instagram.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, like, like, you know.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: But it's the people that you meet on Instagram that are going through the same journey as you that really get what you're going through.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: And Tani and I talk about that all the time, actually.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um, yeah, it's really nice to have.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: I feel the same with us as well.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, sometimes we'll like I don't, same thing.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, being a young person as well, like, so I mean, I started making when I was 19, so a lot of my friends just have no idea or still don't really understand what running a business is or whatever, but it's really reassuring to sometimes I'll like flick you a message and be like, Hey, how are you going with this?
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Or like Tani messages sometimes about renovating and like you're never talking about like, oh yeah, my dad's a DMY queen she's been tiling.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: She'll message mum all the time, like, what does your husband do with this gas fitting?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's just so nice that we've all got that kind of like yeah, even though we're not haven't met each other physically or you know, we're not in the same state or whatever.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: I just think it's really nice to know that there are people out there that are cheering you on.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's just another way of commun, it's another form of community, I guess, even though it's not in person.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's nice.
• 23:32
  unknown: Oh, good, good.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: So outside of art, what else is going on in your world?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you've got the kids, there's you know, what does a normal sort of week or weekend look like for you guys?
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: Lots of kids' sport, yeah, kids' parties.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um mainly it's just about them at the moment, which I'm fine with.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: I I think they're still little.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um Ivy's 11 now and Bo's eight.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: So um so sweet, by the way.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I love when they visited.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, they're so cute.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: They are cute.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um Bo just, yeah, they're great.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: They're great.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: They give me a bit of a boost, they make me keep going.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, even this morning, like, yeah, they're just like they're so cute.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're asleep, and I'm just like going to work and they're in bed, and it's it's just awesome to have them.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think they they add an extra layer to my life, obviously.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, no, life outside of art.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm working on another label at the moment, which I've been working on for a few years.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um tell us a bit more about it.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's a bit of a secret at the moment.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not a secret.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's kind of I've been developing it for a while.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: I just wanted to get it right.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um in the fact that I I knew I wanted to do like I love homewares, I love accessories, I I love it all.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I knew I wanted to do something down the accessories line.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I just didn't know what that would look like, and I don't want it to be like other brands out there, so I'm kind of trying to make it my own.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um finding my path, I guess, and developing it.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think the more you work on something, the more you can see the vision come to life.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, taking a little bit longer than I would have liked.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes when you have so many followers, I think it's also really daunting now to me because I feel like I'm gonna put something out there that there's a lot of people that are watching.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's a bit harder than 17-year-old me just like sitting at the market.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a lot of people now watching, so um, I want to get it right.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: In saying that, I don't believe in like waiting for the perfect product, so I got it.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: I have to take that leap.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: I am I am nearly there.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so for those who want to follow that journey, what is that one?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: What's this one called?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's called Palmeloma.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a harder one to say.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like it.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's yeah, yeah, okay, thanks.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've been sitting on it for so long, but it's just about, yeah, it's my the whole vibe that I want to bring is like dreamscapes, fun, joy, hope, positivity, um, just like turning the everyday into something fun and dreamy.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: So um I think parmeloma rolls off the tongue, and once people know it, it's cool.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's got a bit of a party vibe, I think.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I hope so.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's so exciting.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: So then on top of that, you have done a few art fairs and stuff.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know that you've got House of Solara now.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um I've done a couple of art fairs with Brad and Kira, Brad Turner and Kira Wolfe.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we have such a great time together.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: So we've kind of it used to be under Brad's name.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: He got the art fair, got into the art fairs first and invited Ciara and I to do it with him.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but this year we're doing it a little bit differently.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: So we've actually created a gallery space, a gallery name.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just a more cohesive way of displaying our works.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they all work so well together, so I'm really excited for this.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it means Solara means sun, so it's like House of the Sun, so all bringing some joy and positivity, and it's gonna be really fun.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so nice Sydney at the end of the year.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Do you guys all live near each other?
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so this is a friendship.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Another online, yeah.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: So when I started, um when I got it was mainly when I got my collaboration with Adairs, I think.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, cool.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Which also happened at the beginning of my like this whole business starting.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um if people aren't familiar with that, Karina did a such a beautiful collaboration with Adairs.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: What was included?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Bedspreads, everything you can imagine.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: Bedspreads, pillows, water bottles, mugs.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was like tablecloths, it was just massive placemats.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was really cool.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think when I started that, I found Brad's work online.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, and his artworks, I just loved them, and he was selling them for nothing.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: I bought an original for like$200, I think.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: From there, we kind of just developed a friendship online, and his wife Nat and his daughter Arya, like they're beautiful.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, so we've we've been friends since we started.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then Brad got a collaboration with the Dez as well.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool, yeah.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so another way that we've kind of done the journey together.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we've always just had each other's backs, I think.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's just really nice to have people that yeah, know what you're going through, have your back, support you.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, like they understand how much like a little like is or a little comment, like it just makes such a difference.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: So um, it's just been really nice.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then yeah, Brad introduced me to Kira.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's a legend, like we get along so well, so funny.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, we just have so much fun together.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I love doing the art fairs with them.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's just all about working together and really fun.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like all your work like really compliment each other.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like Brad's work's um really stunning, indigenous work, and then Kira's.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not so familiar with it.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Kira's is like based off uh she does it like she's from Hawaii, her family's from Hawaii, so it's about that, and then she incorporates some blues music rhythms in there, and it's just really cool, like jazz and all that stuff.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, it's all hers is all like a little bit of a it's really detailed and lots of movement in the pieces, and they're they're super cool.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, we try and like make everything quite cohesive, so we'll talk about palettes and things before we start, and it's just awesome because it's also nice to work with people, like you said, like it can get quite lonely, so it's nice to have other people lifting you up and to work with, and yeah, it gives you more.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: And probably like gives you more ideas when they say, Oh, like I'm gonna use this colour palette or whatever, and yeah, oh you know, I've got an idea for that.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: Totally, and Kira and my brains work quite similarly, which is really scary.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll have like on days where we're just like back and forth message each other, like, look at this, look at this, look at this.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it's actually really, really nice.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's cool.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's awesome.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Brad just puts up with us, yeah.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's just along for the ride.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's the chill, he's the calm to the chaos, yeah.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's so nice.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so a bit going on, you know, a lot going on, but it's good, like it keeps me going.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I can't imagine doing anything else now.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I will never go back to working for someone, I can honestly say that.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um that is one of my questions I love to ask people is what would you be doing otherwise?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what would I be doing otherwise?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: Probably I don't know.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's really hard also in fashion graphics, like you get to an age where you are senior, and people really don't want to pay you for that.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: So that they're just hiring juniors who can probably do the same thing, if not better, because their skills are more recent.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so you kind of get moved out a bit as you get older.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so yeah, I don't know what I would be doing.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'd probably, I don't know, I'm always finding business ideas, so I'd probably just be doing that.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: My poor husband puts up with me.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm always like, what about this?
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: What about this?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: So um I'm I've always been a bit of an entrepreneur, I think.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I do think it comes from like used to sit with my grandma making things, sell them at the markets like that.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, oh, you won't remember, you're so young.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Bonds like singlets, we used to embellish them.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was very cool.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: Do you?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: I love singlets, yeah.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: We used to sell those at the markets, like just anything.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think I've always loved being an entrepreneur and taking things into my own hands.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's so nice.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: And on that note, what would you say your favourite part of being like an entrepreneur is just being your own boss?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think my favourite part is that it's always changing, yeah, and lots of problem solving, which I love.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think like to be a good entrepreneur or have your own business, you do need to find solutions all the time or pivot or just to be really flexible with what's going on.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that that keeps me on my toes.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like I love that.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: I love challenges.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Even with my new printer now, like again, how's that going?
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's going well, but it came from like a really low point where I was kind of stranded and I was like, what do I do?
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: My printers.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think they had staffing changes, things just changed like overnight from like working with them for six years to then just the quality, the um just everything, the the communication, everything just went downhill.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I said to my husband, like, I can't work with them anymore, but what am I gonna do?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because they are the only printers that I could find that had the right price, went with the right product.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and I'd been with them for like six years.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: So the printer came out of like a really low point.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think I cried for like three weeks straight.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was horrible.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it was straight after the art fair.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like I had so many orders.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: I had people waiting like three to four weeks for their orders.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't exactly say what was happening, so I kind of had to just um work my way around that.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: But getting the printer now has been the best thing ever.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: I love doing it.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: I love seeing what people order.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like before I think I was quite disconnected because someone else was doing it for me.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I love seeing yeah, the orders, the messages.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like I see every single one now.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like contacting people personally.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's actually really nice, it's a lot more work.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it's kind of good.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's almost like having a therapeutic, like an admin part to my so you're not constantly having to be creative.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, yeah, it's like that mundane, like cutting, printing.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I love watching your stories when you the when the it's like printing out.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh yes, what is she printing today?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's so satisfying.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's so satisfying, and the paper's so big, and it's just like the printer is my heart.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so when I change the rules, I mean I'm quite sure.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: So but it's great, it's so good, yeah.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, love it.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and did you have to like teach yourself printing?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like sometimes it's and I was like, how the cutting break or you know, whatever.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I had my cutter broke in the first two weeks or something.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think I don't know what happened there, but um gosh.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: Look, it's good, it's all about troubleshooting, and it I think finding solutions to problems, it's just part of it.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: It seems like it's built into your you know way of knowing as well.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think so.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's you have to be that if you want your own business.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have to, you can't be defeated by my my constant saying is pivot, pivot, pivot.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just like okay, that's gone bad.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: Pivot, what are we doing next?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and even like my collections and stuff, like still, I'll do a collection.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh that one didn't land.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: Why didn't it land?
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: Let's we've got to do something different.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so adapt it's we.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: I say we it's me.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: We don't say something different for me and all my personalities.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say we too, but just for like my jobs.
• 34:23
  unknown: Yeah.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: So good.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's so wonderful.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Buying one of those massive printers, too, like that is such a big outlay.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yes, it's a daunting sort of choice, I suppose.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Totally, it was a massive cost, probably the biggest cost I've ever done in my business.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, yeah, the printer all up was probably like 25k, which is like it's a lot.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, yeah, it's a lot.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but then literally maybe like a month later, once I'd sorted all my stuff out, I'd gone through all my troubleshooting.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, um, yeah, I landed this huge job.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like just randomly, these art advisory people from I think they were in the UK selected my artwork for a hotel in Florida.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: So that one jobs.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: That is so cool.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is cool.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like the it was like the one print, I think it was going in lots of hotel rooms.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like 127 of them.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that one job paid for the cost of the printer.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: See you again.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy, right?
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I think once you put yourself out there, you just never know.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, amazing.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and can you tell us what print was it?
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like what it was um Danger Canopy, so one of my first prints.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: We love that series.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Would have had that.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: I just said the other day, we should get that series back in.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I might do another, I should do another tape on those.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, now that I'm here again, you know, I love being here.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's so inspiring.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: So so many of my collections are inspired by being here, which is amazing.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um one of your recent ones, you did the banana car.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: I need to get you the banana.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've been a bit slack, I need to get to my own.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I should have um, I'll send you some.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, no, uh, the banana car.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: I just love it.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: I love the feeling when I'm here.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's like so warm and beautiful and lush and it's so inspiring.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, no, but they took that one.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like a it's a pink hotel in Florida, so you can imagine.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god, lots of flamingos, I think, things like that.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and you've got that pastel pink in the background.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, like that real peach.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, so they bought that one, which is really cool.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I didn't even know that, I mean, I knew that existed, but I didn't think they'd reach out to like an Australian artist.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like it, yeah.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of work again, but so worth it.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like so fulfilling, cool.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any other like highlights from the last six or so years that stand out like that as well?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, there was a Dare's cool collaborations that I've been lucky enough to work on.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um you're on the block.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: I you're gonna be.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Some was on the block once, yeah, it was in one of the kids' rooms.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, uh so many little things that have happened.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think again, put yourself out to the universe and things just come your way.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just crazy how that happens.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, highlights, I don't know, maybe just the people I've met along the way and like being part of this artist community now, like even you guys and you know, Brad and Kira and Tani, and there's so many people that and all the girls in Sydney, like so many artists in Sydney now that we catch up with, and it's just so it's such a great little community to have lots of friendships.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've got Mel who as she's Mel Robbins, she's been my mentor for so long, and like she'll always check in, and it's just these friendships that you form while you're doing your own thing.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just really cool.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, now I love to wrap up our episodes with a piece of advice, whether that be something someone's told you, something you live by, whatever it may be, if you can leave us with a piece of advice.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: A piece of advice.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um I love this quote by Maya Angelou, and it's um it's from an interview and they ask her if she had a 10 to 12 year old daughter what she would tell her.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: And um, she says something like, um how does she say it?
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: She says uh you will encounter defeat, but it's important not to be defeated.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I love that.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: I live by that, I think.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like I and I think that's a really good thing for people to carry with them, like because you will encounter things that feel hard.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's life.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I always say to my kids, it's important that you know you can do hard things because like things do become hard and they feel heavy sometimes, um, but you can't give in or surrender to that.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: No, yeah, and she and then she goes on to say that you have to go through it, push past it, and face the defeat in order to move on.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, yeah.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Your life isn't gonna be smooth sailing, so that's such a good attitude to have.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I have added in a little cheeky bonus one lately, but just because it's been fun.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um what has brought you the most joy this week?
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this week, so much joy.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I love being here.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: I love seeing you guys, I love being with my kids, yeah, seeing them do the hard things.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like yesterday we went snorkeling, and Ivy, she's not a huge fan of snorkeling, but she pushed through, she did it.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: We saw a blue-spotted ray.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: We saw yeah, it was so cool.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: We saw like Nemo's and we saw um turtles, and Bo saw an endangered, he's an animal fanatic, my son.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: So he's made us go to the animal habitat like so many does.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, here we go again, the herons.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but no, he saw an endangered uh turtle species yesterday, which he was so stoked with.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, I just I love being here.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: I love being on family holidays and taking the time out to get away from our everyday lives, which can be so chaotic.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, that's my joy for the week, I think, just being here.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: I love seeing you guys.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: So special.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing your story.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I hope you have a beautiful rest of your holiday.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: We will.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, for those who obviously can find all of Karina's stuff in Maker, we have a lot of her prints and we will be restocking soon, I promise.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: I've just been a bit slack.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but if they would like to follow your journey and you know your different ventures, where can they find you?
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Karina Jambrack.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's only one of me.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in the whole world, I think so.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um just yeah, Google my name, Instagram, website.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, all the other links will be in there.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I will leave them in the show notes um if you guys want to have a look.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: But until then, have a wonderful week, and you guys have a wonderful week as well.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for tuning in, and we'll be in your ears next week.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: Have a wonderful day.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.