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Gia Peppers Gets Real About Journalism, Election Grief & Creatives of Faith · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: If you're not obsessed with the how, and you're just
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  Speaker 1: more obsessed with telling a story that you're passionate about,
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  Speaker 1: you can do it.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to you Personal with Joy Taylor. So
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  Speaker 2: excited to have my.
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  Speaker 3: Girl Ga, my Short Little Arms, Da Pepper is in
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  Speaker 3: studio and NBA, c P and AA CP, whatever you prefer.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going NBA. Sorry, I love y'all, but it's NAA
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  Speaker 4: Image Award nominated journalist, televin vision, host, podcaster, storyteller from DC.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to get some DC rex from you
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  Speaker 4: for something. Oh yeah, remind me, Hayley, we got to
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  Speaker 4: get DC rex from her. Host an executive producer of
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  Speaker 4: More Than That with Ga Peppers, contributor to NBC Today,
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  Speaker 4: NBC's Today Show, and Hey, Old Girl Era podcast and
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  Speaker 4: a million other things. Interviewed everyone from Rihanna to the
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  Speaker 4: late Kobe Bryants, Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama's When We All
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  Speaker 4: Vote initiative, Huge, huge, huge resume.
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  Speaker 2: Been in the business a long time.
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  Speaker 4: She has also created a new community, Creatives of Faith,
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  Speaker 4: where she is helping people navigate ambition, healing, creativity, and
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  Speaker 4: faith without feeling like they have to choose welcome to
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  Speaker 4: your personal somehow atro there's a lot more.
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  Speaker 2: There's a whole.
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  Speaker 1: Card, but we don't have time, like really just just
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  Speaker 1: like journalists, creative, creative personality here.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of we had like half a pot before we started.
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  Speaker 4: But I think this is well, there's a couple of
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  Speaker 4: things I really want to ask. Okay, let's go Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I'll save the second one for after the serious conversation
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  Speaker 4: because I'm well, it's actually kind of serious.
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  Speaker 2: Men will start there. Actually, what is your opinion on
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  Speaker 2: the Bonnegate? Oh?
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  Speaker 5: I love this.
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  Speaker 1: I almost feel now old enough to not care what
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  Speaker 1: people think anymore. I grew up in a time where
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  Speaker 1: like you don't wear a bund it outside, I kind
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  Speaker 1: of can't stand it. And and and I also hear
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  Speaker 1: the context and the nuance of not feeling like you
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  Speaker 1: have to perform for the wat gaze and gaze not
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  Speaker 1: g a y s you know, just like people now
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  Speaker 1: got to say you say with the Z because you know,
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  Speaker 1: we came up in a time where respectability politics felt
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  Speaker 1: like it was going to protect us, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: protect us.
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  Speaker 5: It's for me aesthetics.
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  Speaker 1: I personally am a girl that will lay down the
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  Speaker 1: edges right up until I get to the party and
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  Speaker 1: then take it off for the party. But I just
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  Speaker 1: grew up like that, like that's just what I see
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  Speaker 1: and I can't. I just think that if you're you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the house on a flight doing your thing, you
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  Speaker 1: can you know by yourself whatever or what your gang,
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  Speaker 1: what your comforts of your people.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I think that, like I do bummy sometimes if you
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  Speaker 1: see me, you'll be like Liz or unhoused person or
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  Speaker 1: GEA don't know, it could be either.
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  Speaker 2: I can't say anything, like I can't say anything.
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  Speaker 1: I can't say anything, but I do feel like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the the at some point is.
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  Speaker 2: But what do you feel about the school like making it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's HBCU culture.
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  Speaker 1: That's like some of the HBCUs have, like they used
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  Speaker 1: to have to dress in certain attire for business school
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  Speaker 1: for HBCUs.
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  Speaker 5: Like that doesn't not surprising to me.
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  Speaker 4: I here's my thing with it, because it's like we
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  Speaker 4: were talking about before we started recording.
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  Speaker 2: Just like and listen, I'm so grateful for threads.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, thank you other billionaire for bringing it back.
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  Speaker 2: It's not quite black Switter, No, it's not not quite
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  Speaker 2: black slitter.
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  Speaker 4: We'll never, we'll never, We'll never see again.
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  Speaker 2: So fuck you Elon for taking that from us.
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  Speaker 4: But we've gotten, we've we've built, brick by brick, a
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  Speaker 4: space where we can kind of find each other every
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  Speaker 4: now and then, every now and then and uh and
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  Speaker 4: have a bit of fun. Yeah. But like anything nowadays,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's getting polluted with bots and bullshit. And this
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  Speaker 4: is my thing about the bonnet Gate. I used to
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  Speaker 4: roll up the class hungover, looking terrible. I can't even imagine.
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't remember doing my hair. I don't
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  Speaker 4: remember what my hair looked like. Probably in a bond,
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  Speaker 4: I guess, and like, but I was at but I went,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like I do feel listen aesthetically.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're not going to catch me walking around town
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  Speaker 2: and a bonnet.
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  Speaker 4: You will catch me on a plane with a bonnet on,
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  Speaker 4: because hang down on this lay flat.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know what business it is of yours,
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  Speaker 2: what I'm doing on the planet. Not all, not in
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  Speaker 2: the gate, no at all.
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  Speaker 4: But when I get up situated from my little sleet,
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  Speaker 4: hello with my little my little mass, the bonnet's going on. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: because when I land in this international community that I
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  Speaker 4: have landed in. I want my hair to be put together.
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  Speaker 4: It's none of your business part what I'm doing. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm they've given me.
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  Speaker 2: Socks and slippers, so again, some of your business. I'm
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  Speaker 2: all first class experiences.
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  Speaker 4: Some of them have given me pajamas. You better believe
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  Speaker 4: I put pajamas on. I'm dressed comfortably, but I'm putting these.
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  Speaker 2: Fucking pajamas on im like I had a lamp. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: yeah exactly. I was like, I don't. I do not
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  Speaker 2: have to put these but I am putting these pajamas on.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. The point is I get it from
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  Speaker 4: an esthetic place. But I said this today, I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to date this podcast now what whatever?
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  Speaker 2: I said it.
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  Speaker 4: On threads because an educator was like, you know, not
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  Speaker 4: only are they wearing bots and blankets to class and slippers,
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  Speaker 4: but they can't read, they can't write, they aren't like
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  Speaker 4: processing the conversation that we're having.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, but can we just I feel like.
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  Speaker 4: These conversations distract us from the institutional problem. Sure, because
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  Speaker 4: I was like shit in class, but I was in class,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm sure that my professors were like here comes
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  Speaker 4: this bitch in her sweatpants and slides and oversized hoodie
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  Speaker 4: with her mask arrow all over her face and seventeen
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  Speaker 4: stickers from the club she was at last night. But
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  Speaker 4: I was there, Yeah, and I graduated with honors, bookie.
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  Speaker 4: So I think we need to focus on like the
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  Speaker 4: real problems, and I think that these like surface level
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  Speaker 4: things like don't even come close to what the real
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  Speaker 4: problem is.
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  Speaker 1: We are so distracted from everything that actually matters that
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  Speaker 1: it's it's literal jokes. I mean, old boy in office
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  Speaker 1: just roll back medicaid, medicare snap like we're we're not okay.
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  Speaker 1: Poopy pants, yeah, poopy pants, and he poops a lot.
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  Speaker 2: See exactly.
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  Speaker 1: We're just trying to get through, hopefully these next couple
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  Speaker 1: of years if he leaves. But any who, if God
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  Speaker 1: does his big one, oh wow, hm, no, well any who?
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  Speaker 2: Look any who.
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  Speaker 1: I say all that to say, I agree that there
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  Speaker 1: is a it's better for the child, the college student
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  Speaker 1: to be in class, But at some point in the
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  Speaker 1: real world, depending on where you want to go, you
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to get up and get ready to go somewhere, and.
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  Speaker 2: You're not gonna feel like it. So I do think
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  Speaker 2: it's good training to be.
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  Speaker 1: Like yo, hey, even if you could take it to
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  Speaker 1: Blankets in class is crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Slippers in class is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I also feel like, are you really there to learn
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  Speaker 1: or sleep?
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  Speaker 5: Like you showing me that you're trying to sleep in
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  Speaker 5: my class?
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  Speaker 2: Do you even care about it?
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  Speaker 1: So I get why some teachers, especially because we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about generations here of professors HBCU professors, and my mother
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  Speaker 1: is one of them.
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  Speaker 5: They don't leave their job.
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  Speaker 1: She tells me all the time that there's people that's
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  Speaker 1: ninety five with one I that are still teaching and.
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  Speaker 2: Overseeing certain programs, which they're kind of saying, I hate
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  Speaker 2: it here so much. They are they don't. They work
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  Speaker 2: because they love what they do.
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  Speaker 1: In the same vein that we have students who are
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  Speaker 1: absolutely complaining about that, and I get what they're saying.
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  Speaker 5: They also have professors that stay.
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  Speaker 1: With them over literally over time of seven pm or
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  Speaker 1: whatever the regular college hours are, and work with them Like.
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  Speaker 2: My mother, I have to literally tell my mom, please,
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  Speaker 2: it is ten o'clock. So you think it's generational, I think.
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  Speaker 1: It's a generational conversation, But I also do think it's fair.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes we might have woo wooed too far to the
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  Speaker 1: point where we're like everything. So there's no rules, but
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  Speaker 1: you can wear your bonnet maybe just for the you
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  Speaker 1: know whatever, for your time. And yet I don't care
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  Speaker 1: if you're in the dorm room. I don't care if
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  Speaker 1: you want to go on the guard like that or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But like, at some point in life, you're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to show up for what you want your life to reflect.
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  Speaker 1: If you're at college, I'm assuming you want a career
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  Speaker 1: that like is and they bring you, you're not gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Be able to wear the bonds to the office.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like, I don't think there's anything wrong with
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  Speaker 1: having people start to just train a little bit. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we do live in a time where most people are
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  Speaker 1: creatives and creators.
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  Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who are creators and
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  Speaker 2: creators that.
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  Speaker 1: Work from home and it's going to stream and get
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  Speaker 1: twenty five thousand and never have to take their bund off.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, just decide. But those were they aren't
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  Speaker 2: going to college, I truly.
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  Speaker 1: University streaming university where do they have an ol usc?
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  Speaker 2: Is that where they have to is that where they
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  Speaker 2: announce it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: It was like, now, what the fuck.
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  Speaker 4: Ain't know Arkansas. There's no ways backs look that up.
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  Speaker 2: I think it. It was like not la am I
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  Speaker 2: cooking Arkansas for no reason. I've never been. But you
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  Speaker 2: know they have a they have a class.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah for streamers creators like you can not class.
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  Speaker 2: You can take the you can get a degree in it. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: they are. He is so smart.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what the kids should be doing, especially these
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  Speaker 1: young young people who want to They.
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  Speaker 2: All say they want to work YouTube.
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  Speaker 5: I listen, I'm not mad at it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on the YouTube right now. Hello, Like, we're not
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  Speaker 2: mad at it.
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  Speaker 4: We want we don't ask you about this because I
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  Speaker 4: I being in being in the same business and business
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  Speaker 4: not this business, and coming from you know, the same
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  Speaker 4: traditional background, you know, Ladder.
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  Speaker 2: I do think when we.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about media and aspiration and all those things to
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  Speaker 4: go to school to take the traditional path, I don't
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  Speaker 4: like discourage young people to not take the traditional path
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  Speaker 4: because I believe in education me too. I wish it's
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  Speaker 4: trustee at very University. I do think it is incredibly
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  Speaker 4: important to get an education. But I believe in education
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  Speaker 4: one because I think it's it's something no one can
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  Speaker 4: take away from you. And at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: if you are college educated, you just statistically have more
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  Speaker 4: opportunities in the world. That said, when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: after getting your college education, breaking into the industry looks
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  Speaker 4: very different.
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  Speaker 2: Now annoying how different it is. It's so it's completely different.
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  Speaker 4: But what I want to ask you is because I
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  Speaker 4: have been thinking about this a lot as someone who mentees,
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  Speaker 4: as a mentor to a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what do we even say.
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  Speaker 4: Do you tell them to get a different job and
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  Speaker 4: then just do it as a hobby and then if
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  Speaker 4: it breaks through, But.
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  Speaker 2: Then I believe in like full commitment.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I tell because I believe in
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  Speaker 1: the power of mentorship too, and I mentee, I tell
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  Speaker 1: my mentees that this game doesn't look like whatever they
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  Speaker 1: prepared you for in traditional journalism anymore. This does not
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  Speaker 1: look like you can write an article for a magazine
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  Speaker 1: and you can pay your bill for the month.
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  Speaker 2: This does not even look like there.
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  Speaker 1: Are magazines and newsrooms that are gonna be around by
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  Speaker 1: the time you graduate that might be able to employ you.
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  Speaker 5: This is a different game.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, if you really really want to study
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  Speaker 1: journalism and you're obsessed with it, and you love with it,
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  Speaker 1: go for it, but be prepared to have to be
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  Speaker 1: an influencer when you're out in the world. Be prepared
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  Speaker 1: to have to fund your projects or crowdsource or be
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  Speaker 1: on substack. Be prepared to be a self starter. Because
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  Speaker 1: when we were coming up, it was like, you apply,
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  Speaker 1: you do great work, you're hired, you get in the newsroom,
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  Speaker 1: you get in the biz, you.
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  Speaker 2: Got a job.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, layoffs are have always been a thing, like
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  Speaker 1: that's not new, but there was always newsrooms, there was
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  Speaker 1: a news bro The way that these things have shuddered
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  Speaker 1: so quickly in the last two to three years has
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  Speaker 1: been disheartening, heartbreaking, disappoint and it has shaken a foundation
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  Speaker 1: of storytellers that we're told that as long as you
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  Speaker 1: work hard and you put your head down, you would
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  Speaker 1: get somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Baby, I don't even know where. Somewhere is no more
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  Speaker 2: like it is. I don't know what.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. All I know
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  Speaker 1: what to tell you is this is a creator world.
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  Speaker 1: And even then, I don't know what that's gonna look like.
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  Speaker 1: Now that people are creating whole shows with AI, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what that's gonna look like. Now that people
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  Speaker 1: are creating music and everything with AI. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what that's gonna look like for real people, but I
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  Speaker 1: do know that if you have a story to tell,
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  Speaker 1: you can tell it.
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  Speaker 5: And I do know that there are hundreds of millions
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  Speaker 5: of young women that are making.
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  Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of dollars on these Instagram's, YouTube substacks, Behi, Squarespace,
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  Speaker 1: block whatever, it's all coming back. So I think if
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  Speaker 1: you're not obsessed with the how, and you're just more
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with telling a story that you're passionate about, you
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  Speaker 1: can do it. But Baby, the times of newsrooms and like, like,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the only people that I see working
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  Speaker 1: working are my friends who did the traditional news route
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  Speaker 1: local news.
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  Speaker 2: Baby, don't be surprised you see me on local news. Like, No,
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  Speaker 2: somebody was.
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  Speaker 4: I was talking to a friend of mine who's in
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  Speaker 4: local news recently, and she was saying, it's it's a
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  Speaker 4: very unstable time as well. But I do think when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to local news, it's also shifting.
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  Speaker 5: Because people are telling the story from their side.
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  Speaker 4: But I think it's just gonna look different. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: don't think local news will go away.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think. No, that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I was like, local news the smartest girls
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  Speaker 1: that I've seen. Shout out to Marissa who is on
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  Speaker 1: Fox five DC. Marissa Mitchell just got her talk show
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  Speaker 1: which is now on the like eleven AM hour after
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  Speaker 1: the main news, so she still hosts the main news.
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  Speaker 1: Now she has her own show. You've probably seen her
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  Speaker 1: because she goes viral all the time. Her interviews go
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  Speaker 1: viral all the time. But I'm like, she's doing that
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  Speaker 1: from a local news station and still having the reach
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  Speaker 1: of the Internet and then the reach of hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: thousands of people watching you in real time every day.
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  Speaker 2: That's a rare thing to do. So don't sleep on
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  Speaker 2: local news.
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  Speaker 1: Even Jeanette Rae as Miss News Lady, I had all
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  Speaker 1: of that. We we would have many a conversation before
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  Speaker 1: she went into the creator world because she was like, gee,
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  Speaker 1: how does this work?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, let me show you what I know.
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  Speaker 1: And she left and it's running it up as a
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  Speaker 1: as a content creator. But she got that first foray
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  Speaker 1: into like that audience every day.
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  Speaker 2: In front of people, and they got to know her
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  Speaker 2: and love her.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm not don't be surprised if you
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  Speaker 1: see me right there and do you see all some
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  Speaker 1: local how y'all doing? Yeah, because I just don't feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's a bad It's one of the last places
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  Speaker 1: it is if.
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  Speaker 4: You're it's hiring, and that's if you want to be
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  Speaker 4: on television. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends in local news.
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  Speaker 5: Shout to the girls.
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  Speaker 4: And but one thing I will say about the news
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  Speaker 4: is you have to really you got to care about
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  Speaker 4: the news because that is a different World's hard.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard. You're gonna tell sad stories.
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  Speaker 4: You can tell great fun stories and important stories, but
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  Speaker 4: it's also gonna be sad stories and it's really important
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  Speaker 4: into the community.
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  Speaker 2: So it is a different world.
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  Speaker 5: It's a different world, I think.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I think the world is shifting. Obviously it's
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  Speaker 4: shifting to creators. But I think you have to also
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  Speaker 4: be creative sure, And that is the gap between I
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  Speaker 4: think people that are successful as creators and people that
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  Speaker 4: are not.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what is the thing that you do?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think I struggle with that a lot
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  Speaker 4: because also being a multi hyphen it like that makes
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  Speaker 4: it difficult because the internet is flat, it wants one thing.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: It comes to you for one thing. Are you a
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: food influencer, great, don't post anything about sports. If we
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: are a sports influencer, great, don't talk about politics like
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: you all everybody has to be one thing. And I
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: do think as the Internet catches up with humans, that
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: will be, because all this is still very new to
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: all of us, that will be maybe the next you know,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: kind of iteration of it. But it's it's a scary
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: world out there, especially for young people. I'm like, I
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: don't know what to tell you to do.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm learning this as you're learning it,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: and we are all back in the same boat. You
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: could get you you could.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Post something tomorrow that I mentor you through and it
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: could usurp anything I've ever posted in my life, right
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: and then I don't know what to tell you, Like,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's up there.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I've never had to.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Go go flat called Jackie Jackie and the girls who
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: are really doing it at that level, right, Like it's
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: just like you can't you cannot discount the fact that
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: everybody calls themselves a journalist right now, and it's very
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: annoying or they use journalistic techniques to tell stories, like
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: it's just what it is. And with that being said,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I say, use the skill set own it. Know how
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: to tell a story, know how to write your lead,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: know how to do what you have to do, but
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: just be prepared to like make a TikTok version of
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: whatever you just spent hours researching, developing, putting real what
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: tears intwo for a minute to make people care.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that that I guess is where.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: The like as a I am not a practicing journalist.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I'm a trained journalist, but not practicing. Once a journalist
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: is always a journalist. This is a journalist space for journalists.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: I have the bones, but no, but I do think
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: like you said, everyone calls themselves a journalist, like I
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: think journalism not. I think journalism is the cornerstone of democracy.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: And if you call everyone a journalist and at the
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: same time demonize journalists and weaponize half of the media
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: against journalism, then it takes away from the potency. It's like,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: you know, you can't just call yourself things like and yeah,
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: and journalism is a scary thing that is being attacked.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Because that's why I've always said, like I am not
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: I I'm not a news journalist.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I'll say that I'm not and I don't.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: I'm not a reporter, and I consider myself more of
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: a personality and a and a pundit. And the people
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: who are working in local news, the people that are
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: telling stories, people that are on the street, the people
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: that are out here working and reporting and covering stories
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: like Nolan Wells, like that is so important and we're.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Not all the same, Like I don't consider myself.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: The same as those people, and we need those people.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: And in a certain regard, I think that's also part
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: of the reason why everything is crumbling, because you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: not to be a fund of dog, but.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Like it fucking meant something.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Nothing means anything anymore, nothing means anything anymore, Like do
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: the work.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Do you remember all of the shows from the nineties
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and how everybody wanted to be a.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Journalist, Yes, because it was so like you had the
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: suits at the thing and it's just everything was Flavor
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: magazine journalism.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Moisha wanted to be a journalist.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: You got to interview Maya Andrew on the show as Maisha, like,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: what are you talking to me about?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: All of my people wanted to be journalists.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: The only people that didn't actually do the journalism route
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: was girlfriends, but like all the other ones, I'm pretty
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: sure te in to marriage one of them want to
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: be like everybody wanted to be a journalist. Yes, that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: very much was great for me in my life because
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, this works journalism.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And now it's like because everyone has the opportunity to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: just open the phone and tell a story that could
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: literally get the same views as an ABC News YouTube clip.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Crazy the world we live in, that's a two million
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: dollar a day set and a two dollars a day
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: set can get the same amount of views. That's why
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: people do not care anymore. That's why you can pay
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a person to represent what this current administration wants to
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: represent five dollars, still invite them to the correspondence dinner,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and their stuff will go more viral because that's just
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the world we live in. They'd have no journalistic research,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: no background, no nothing. Most of the time they're just
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: saying whatever they're paid to sayers want to say. They
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: might really believe it, They just might really be good
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: at going viral. It's we're living by an algorithm that
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: has no rhyme or reason. As well, I don't like
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: it so I'm just like I like when people ask
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: me what to do, I say, do what you want.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: There are no.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Rules, There are no rules, there are no what do
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: you really want to? But what I don't like is
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: that I really struggle with this part of it. Everyone
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: having a platform has been incredibly vital to fighting back
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: against oppression, police violence.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yep. I mean, would we know anything about what Ice
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: is doing? Right?
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Not that anyone cares, but would we know anything about
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: what they were doing if we didn't all have cameras
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: on our phones and platforms?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: It is freely posters repost these things.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, whole current movements have been started because about
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: We wouldn't know about Nolan.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: The audio from Nolan Wells call.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I mean George Floyd, Like, no one would have have
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: even believed that it happened. So many stories have been
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: told and been shared because we have free access to
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: these platforms and everyone has a platform. I what, but
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: with anything, there is a yin and yang to everything
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: in life, and when everyone has a platform, there is
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: no gatekeeping.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: And there's no process.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: And because when you had newspapers, when you had magazines,
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: when you had network television, if you said something that
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: was a straight up lie. You could get sued for it,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: you could get kicked off air, you could be fired,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: you could be prosecuted. I'd spent an entire semester and
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: media law class and ethics and ethics where I had
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: to read a book and write the most two presentations
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: about how to not get fired, how to make sure
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: that the information that I was getting that I was
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: saying on air was accurate and verified, and how to
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: cite sources and how to use sources and like all
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: of this process, and it's like, we don't we don't
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: care about any of that.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: No, And it's sad because it takes away the appreciation
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the art of journalism, storytelling, the importance of it, the
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: fact that it is supposed to be a cornerstone of
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: democracy and we have someone who literally helped tear that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: down is horrifying.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Well because and this is where I personally have had
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: to check my privilege and really acknowledge like that I
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: have had different experiences than everyone in life.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: There's nowhere for people to get the truth and just facts.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: It's just just the pure, the fa alternated facts that
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: you can make your own decision about. There's nowhere to
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: get that anymore, because every while they've all always been
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: owned by bigger corporations, there was still a sense of
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: responsibility and the public helped hold those platforms to that
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: status and to that level of responsibility. And you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: you could go to a certain place and you would
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: get just the story, not the story with this pundit's
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: opinion and this writer's opinion, and this somebody who has
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: a YouTube show's opinion.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I don't care about would any of.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Them have to say, is that I want to know
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: what the fact is, what happened, what is happening, and
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: come from a place from a journalist that felt a
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: true responsibility to the American public, like to tell the truth.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: You make your decision about what you do with this information.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: But here's the information. I'm like getting chills because it
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: really just cold in here.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: You're passionate.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I just feel like it's important, and it's like there's
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: no I know how to find the truth. Yes, because
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: I because I still have that training to know that's
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: that's a blog, that's not a source. I can look
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: at the blog and click the sources they put and
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: then read that and then find it on a couple
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: of other news If they faces, and then I can
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: if they source it, and then I can cross reference
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: and see or is this just something that an internet
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: sticker that made? And I, because I refuse to willingly
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: look like a dummy, will do all that work. But
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: people aren't doing that, And I can't be mad at them, Jim, because.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Why would they? Why would they?
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: AI is also going to tell you in two seconds
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: you don't even have to open them.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: They're wrong.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: And do you know how many times I have had
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: to tell my sweet Gemini, I know you helped me
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: organize a lot of things, but baby I have asked
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: her question, they don't not, And I'm like, maybe that's.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Wrong, that's wrong.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And to go back to the point of citizen journalism,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: like the importance of that, like also back in the day,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: like when black Twitter first started all those trademon martin
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: marches and protests, we didn't know where to go until
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: people started being like, hey, pull up here, like it was.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It started to be a global way to connect and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: move things forward. And so it makes me sad because
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: even when we find a space to do just that,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: it can be taken away so quickly. But on the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: other hand, I also think I love the point you
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: made about the viewing public being able to hold people
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to a standard. I think we have to get back
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to shaming people and companies and allowing people to know
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that we will divest our attention because now we live
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: in an attention economy. We don't live in a dollar's economy.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: The advertising people, they don't really care what you think
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: anymore unless you take your eye and your scroll away
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: from these things.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: If you really don't like something, don't watch it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh, you know, they say all these crazy
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: things on Fox News.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Y'all y'all watching it. That's why they're still on.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: There's a whole faction of the country that is watching
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: it every day and being fed this stuff. The twenty
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: four hour news cycle messed up news reporting in so
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: many ways.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I can't that was a horrible thing to do. But
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I say all that.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: To say, if we don't want to see certain things,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: divest your attention from it, divest your people from it.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: That Jimmy Kimmel move when everybody was went from canceling
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: their Disney and Hulu accounts because Jimmy was gonna be
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: taken off air, Like, we have to do more of that,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and we have to do it for people that are
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: not just white men. We have to do it for
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: black people, We have to do it for Spanish people,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Asian people, Indian people, people from all different walks of life.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: What what you don't want to do it for everybody?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Wait?
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: What Jia?
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: You do it?
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Why you can't do it?
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: I'm talking I'm not doing the people of color this year.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Oh I'm talking about you want to do it for
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: the like it can't just be a white man, That's
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Of course tours me and my Yeah, we can get
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: back to being people of color after the mid time.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: What y'all women of color do at the polls? Okay?
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Saying like this and then no, I'm not talking on POC.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, especially if you want to see your people right,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: your representation, you represent your.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: People like, I don't think there's anything wrong.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: What did bts just pull out the Grammys and the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Koreans are upset and they're and.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: They're like, yes, you're doing this.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Shout out to you BTS for holding the ground because
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: there should be a Korean stream or streams that have
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: other languages.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I believe that's what's going on.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: But I say all that to say, imagine how amazing
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: that would be to for them to make a point
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and then they actually have to do something about it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, make your point representing the people that
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you want to care about, because we're going back to
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: a time we're remember in the eighties, like or seventies
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: or sixties or whatever before our time where you had
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: to turn on the TV and there weren't people of
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: color that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Had Yeah, there was no representation, like it was just
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: all white shows, all white. Yeah, I think like that.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: So I think you don't want to see yourself. You
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: want to see yourself, you have to stand for it. Yeah,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I mean we gonna do it's back. We knowed it, but.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah we don't. I mean we Where would the world
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: be without us?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Nowhere? Here? Nowhere? Not that my my cape is getting
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: is mothballed right now.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: That's why I said that, That's why we even that's
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: why we hear no I legit. I think I talked
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: about this before. Yeah, I talked to my therapists and
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: I was like, why is every like why is everything sham?
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Why is no one ready? Like what's isn't shambles? And
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: she was like, well, black women aren't doing anything.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: We don't care of ourself.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's like, we have we have hung it up,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: and rightfully so, because we did what we were supposed
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: to do and nobody listen and now.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: We're just taking a break.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I the moments that that election
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: was over, which I knew, I knew he was gonna win,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: I said, y'all got it. White women, y'all got it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Fix Latina women, Yeah, got it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I even I even had a conversation with a friend
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: of mine who is I absolutely hate Trump.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: I absolutely knew which way she voted, and uh, she's
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: she's she's Latina, she's Cuban, and she.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Was like, we have to do that. I said, what
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: what what? Now you're my realists. Okay, but this is
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: yall people. Okay, we did what we were supposed to do.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe the approximatey the whiteness situation is a conversation that.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Your community has to have, Okay, and then you need
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: to go vote appropriately because these these trucks pulling up
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: with these unmarked things, and these men with no ideas
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: and stuff, they're coming for y'all. Okay, they're nowhere sent
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: me where you sent me Detroit. Okay, there ain't nowhere
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: to go. He goes, split me up half to Ghana
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: after Ireland. They're gonna send me nowhere, all right, They're
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: coming for y'all. So bitterms some fight, you bro. No
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: to see what's gone terms. Shout out to the we
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: can circle back to.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: People of color after we see all that, go.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the black women that have done the
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: work in their way since that election, since Kamala laws.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Because I'm I have a lot of sisters who still
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: work in the space of politics, of movements, of understanding
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: how causes and organizations can change the world I have.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I was on a call last night. There's a new organization.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Called One Nation Overcharge that's all about healthcare reform and
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the system and making sure that at the end of
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the day, we can pay for bills, especially if we're
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: sick in the richest country in the world, and not
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: have to sell our homes in order to live like
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that's crazy, that's where we are.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: But that's only one of the many issues.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: And it was led by Bethlink, who's an amazing black
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: woman who's done work with Michelle Obama's ca campaign.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Many a campaigns, and there were amazing.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Black women on that call last night, and I was
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: just like, man like Joe Taka Edie is still doing
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: her win with black women calls every single weekend.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: So it's like people are still doing the work.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: People are still trying to find ways to pull up,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: but they're protecting their piece more.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: Because that was devastating.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: That was.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: Devastating, and I believed that she could win.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I really did.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I believed, especially with the turnouts at the rallies and
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: seeing how people were showing up. I think there was
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: a little trickery and I think somebody bought that election.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: But I'll say all that to say that.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: We deserve that.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: One hundred days took everything for us to show up,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and then it took everything out of us. So if
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: we need they say it takes four times as long
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to get over a breakup. If I need four hundred
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: plus days to get over, yeah.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: What happened And listen, you're absolutely right could shout out
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: to shout out to the givers that are that still
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: have it, because I I won't say that I don't
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: have it, you know, I'm just more hyper focused on
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: the specific things that I can physically with my hands change.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I still have my nonprofit. Yes, that's the thing. We're
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: activating where we need, where we are called to actually where.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: I'm called and where I know I'm needed, and where
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I can make actual, real change in this in the
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: small ways. You know, that election, I feel like I
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: you know, I knew that that the Democrats were going
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: to lose because they they trotted Joe Biden out.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I mean they that that's you know is at then?
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Was him?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I missed Joe. I think a lot of people do.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: All right, I don't know what what the hell y'all
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: we're talking about, but uh, they he should not have
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: run again, I was, and it was it was arrogance
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: by the Democratic Party.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: And then they put her against it with a short put.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Thrones together, hundred days, one hundred days to run for
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: office and in an coming off of an unpopular end
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: to the presidency. And yeah, they just assumed that because
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Trump's a felon, that these people weren't going to vote
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: for him, which is arrogance.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: It's just nothing more than arrogance. They have no, they
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: had no, I don't.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: I'm still a little questionable about the pipeline for the
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: next presidential election, but they didn't have a pipeline for
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: any other stronger candidate, so it was just a disaster,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: and people vote for familiarity. And his first presidency wasn't
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: as bad as that bat shit as that was was
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: not close to what this absolute like pig farm of
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: an authoritarian regime that we are dealing with right now.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: So even in our wildest dreams, I don't think that
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: we could have anticipated that it was going to anyone.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Even the people that are hateful, anticipated that it was
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: going to be this much of an absolute should show.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Kamala told us, Hillary told us, everybody told us. We
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: told them us the world. We are the world, We
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: are the children.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: We are not.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Loving at me. Okay, you you you in touch with
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the spirit, You know your hosts all over here?
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: All right, I'm you do doing great. I I enjoy Taylor,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: not a week, y'all me for right now, but I
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: do feel you. Though the message was we're saving our
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: own lives, the message was expressed.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I wish that we would get back to a place
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: where we need have a little we need a little
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: toxic positivity right now. We need somebody to be.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Hit.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: That song should not still hit. We should hear that
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: song and be like, dang, we fixed things that song
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: didn't and that song still hits. It should not. We
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: should not be still having the same problems.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't make any It makes nobody sense. And
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I was sitting at a shout out to Kim Blackwell.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: She has an amazing conference called Elevate Her, Accelerate Her,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Excuse Me, and Kamala was the closing speaker, and in it,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: she was talking about the devastation of losing in front
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of the world, what that felt like for her, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: she was saying, she said something so powerful and poitant
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that I think has helped be a bomb for me
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: even in our.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Current circumstances as journalists and just women in this world.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: And she was like, I had to get comfortable with
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the fact that I shattered the ceiling and sometimes in
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: order to shatter the ceiling, you get cut. But the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: but it's open now, it's open, so maybe I was
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: just supposed to open it. And when she said that,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's a great perspective.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, oh okay.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: So instead of like being like it didn't work in
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: a way, there were a lot of people that were
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: going to finally have the idea of a woman president
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: be okay in their mind, a black woman president at
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that be okay in their mind. There were hundreds of
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: little girls that saw that run that might be the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: type of people that are just crazy enough to be like,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to try to do it though. Yeah it
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: didn't work for her, but I'm going to try and
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: do it. So in my toxic positivity, we are the
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: world spirit. I am like, as sad as I feel
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: about a lot of things in this world, I do
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: think we are all at a space where we're finally
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: all up against the wall. Unless you're like the one percent,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: you're in the Hampton's living your best life. But the
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: rest of us are like, oh everybody else is back here.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: This is crazy and sad and scary. Something has to give.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I hope.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that we'll actually do something so that it
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: does give in the right direction.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: That is a that's a really great perspective. It's a
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: good perspective actually to hear. Yeah, I was like I
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: needed it, so I know you need to hear.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good to hear because sometimes I think when
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: you are a a trail blazer or you do shot
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: of the glass ceiling like, yeah, you're the first one
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: to go through, you're gonna get cut and and that
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: really does make a lot more sense.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: That's comforting to think about.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Actually, I'll send you the quote because I have it written.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I wrote, I wrote that note and I said, oh,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: commly you ate with that one.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she did. She's I don't want them to I
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: don't want them to put a woman on the ticket
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the next ticket though.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: No, he done, boring white straight male Okay, Okay, get
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: this dumpy butt out of here, Okay, and we can
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: fix it on the next round.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: You don't have to agree. We are not anybody, but
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: but what here? Here's why I say that.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: What I love for it to be an intelligence amazing qualified,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: competent intelligence office. You can read and speak lawyer, a
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: sentence right.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: With dignity, two step you know anything? Would I like
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: somebody who can read? Yes?
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: But I don't think I knew Hillary is going to
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: lose because I was like, there's no way, Like you
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: guys have not talked to enough humans in this country.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: There's no way we're going from the first two term
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: black president to the first one president.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I don't care how qualified she is. It ain't happening.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no way. And then she ran a terrible
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: campaign and just wasn't gonna happen. I knew he was
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: going to win when he first announced he was running.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is a joke.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: And then once things started going, I was like, Oh,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: he's gonna win. They're not going to vote for a
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: woman not ready. And then similarly with Kala, because Joe
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Biden's presidency was so because of propaganda, so I'm popular
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: at the end of it, and because he came out
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: there not in that in that disaster of a debate
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: where you could barely talk poor man, and and it
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, so it was cooked. And then did
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: the fake assassination attempt, and then it was like it's done,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Like it's this is what it is. I just want
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: to get back to some some sense of like peace
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: and quiet, which is what happened with Biden. They were like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: just give us normal, just give us a white man
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: that we know, okay, and that's what happened. And yeah,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: like that's not what I want. But but I also
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: when it comes to politics in this country, it's about
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: winning and so much about the Democratic Party is about
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: giving everybody a nice, warm hug. I'm not gonna make
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: hugger right, like only hug people I know, and like,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: I don't want to hug everybody. Sometimes you gotta get
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: us thinking right. It's just a nice way of thinking.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Your ass beat.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: My mother was not playing around when things were wrong.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: It went sideways. Now it was just okay, but okay,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I think we need to I was like, we this
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: this gentle parenting.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna I'm gonna have more context. We're gonna
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: have better conversation. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna breathe
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: that we're gonna breathe.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Mommy never, Mommy didn't do no breathing. Oh no, no, no.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Now we're gonna breathe. You have to take a beat.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Everything does not deserve hands or belts. Mommy never hit
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: me with a belt. I'm just saying, but some people did.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I anyway, But I was saying all that to say,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: what do you think about mom?
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: Donnie?
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Because I am what I know.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: We're not for president, but I am just so inspired
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: to watch.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: That's one why he can't run. He wasn't born in
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: the United States, right, But I'm hoping that his.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: The the example and model that you can help people
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: and have a successful term and try to make your
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: place of rain better for a lot of people with class,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: with actual care in the community and touching the community.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: And being and calling Benjamin and Yahoo a war criminal?
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Which is that up and like and and it works,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: like I'm hoping that that is more of where we go.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: It's like, we need the rich people with a heart
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: to fund people who are of that same form because
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: also half the time people just don't have the funds
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: to really go against these talking heads and these ideals.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: That we are currently living under.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: They have all the dollars, they have all the ability
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: to put out ads in three hundred thousand stations that
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: see millions of people, like people just don't have the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: same money.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I do think that Mandani has done an incredible job.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Obsessed with him he is, He's a great politician, and
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: I think the reason that he is working so well
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: is because he has a rarity about him of really
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: actually wanting the job he has. And I think the
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: fact that he can't run for president is actually quite
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: interesting because so many people have talked about like, oh,
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: like he can't run for president, so he actually says,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: this is the job I want, and it's the best job,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: and he's focused on the task at hand, which aside
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: from his actual policies, which are not all popular, Like
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: people who are wealthy in New York are probably not
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: a big fan of him, which guess what, don't care.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: I don't live in New York. And also like enough
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: with the help and the wealthy people like, they got it,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: they got it. And if you continue to vote for
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: wealthy people while you're not wealthy, baby, you are the problem.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: They don't care about yo votes within the tax bracket
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: in which you currently exact. Like I had this conversation
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: once with a young man, just a little aside, and
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: he was talking this was this was before, this was
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: like at the beginning of Trump's maybe maybe he was
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: like two years in or something, and he was like
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: he was like a fan of Trump. And I was like,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: so interesting that you're a fan of Trump, Like why
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: what do you like about him? He was like, oh, well,
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: you know, he likes he speaks the truth. I was like,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: he's a known liar, verifiable liar, Like there's a lie
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: tracking website of all the lies that he tells. He's
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: constantly lying, so that's not true. But so you just
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: like that he's loud. And he was like, yeah, like
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: he's he's you know, he just like speaks his mind.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: I was like, but he's dumb. So he's loud and
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: dumb and lies and these are things that you admire.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: And I'm not being like combat. I'm like no, generally,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: this is like I'm speaking from a place of facts.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I was like no, And he was like, well, don't
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: you want a politician that you know tells you what's
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: going on and speaks to mind. I said, no, I
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: don't tells you what's going on.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: No, I do not. I want to go to brunch.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: I don't want to see you on my line.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see you.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: Your daily press conferences.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: You stay in your way and you get out of
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: here when there's a disaster. I want you to.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: And I want you off with your with your little
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: white house raincoat. Okay, that's right.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see you. I don't want to.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: I want to know nothing about you, Okay. I don't
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: want to be able to draw you. And no I don't,
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I said, I want I want to go to brunch.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I want you to do your job.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: Well done, job, I.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Said, this is your problem.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: You think of this man as a celebrity, that's what
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: wants and he is a public servant.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: He works for us.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: So no, I don't, and I want the politicians to
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: lide to us. That's what we pay them to do. Okay,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: if the asteroid is not on the way, shoot the
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: little send.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: But she me up there. Okay, I'm blowing up while
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: we live our lives. I don't.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: I want you to do your job. There's a reason
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: why when Obama went into office, he looked one way
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: and then despite all melanin a different way and he
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: still died together.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, no shade, but we all saw the picture.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, it ages you, and it should and this is
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: the hardest job in man has an age today because
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: he's looked like dog shit since the day he was born.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: But the point is, I digress. The point is I
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: told him so when he put the ether beat point.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: The real point that I made to him is he
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, so, what about his policies?
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Do you like?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Forget all this you know, groupie stuff you're talking about?
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: What is it? One of the policies that you like.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: And he was like, well, I like his I like
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: his tax policy. I said, babe, let me tell you something. Okay,
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: I pay more in taxes than you make in a year.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Come on, multiple times, so I pay your salary. I
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: could employ three of you. My god, I got today
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: with the taxes that I pay. Why are you worried
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: about my money? That's very sweet. Don't worry about my money.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: You need to worry about your money. You shouldn't worried
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: about my money.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Because the way that these eggs and these all these
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: gas is so crazy. And now you can't even eat
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: the eggs or the salad.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: We can't eat smock.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: What are we talking about? Why are you worried about
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: my money? We need to eat salad.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Let me vote about my money. You should be voting
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: within your tax bracket.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: We can't eat salad.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: You can't afford eggs, gas, gas, any kind of medicine,
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: schooling place to send your kids while you go work
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: your second job because you can't afford to live off
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: the one job you have, and you continue to vote
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: for people who don't know or care.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: That you exist.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: It's crazy to me. Well, what's the answer.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Joy.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: What do we know?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: want to talk about.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: What do we do we need to We need Avengers.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: We need the Avengers. Call Tony Stark, get them, get
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: them back to get that not only is gonna come
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: back in the in the multiverse. Shoot, we are in
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the papers.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Please someone help else.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I was like, we are back. I hate this timeline.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Both of them. Bring us. Oh my god, aunt man Thanos,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: bea us, fight for us and snap it. Please snap
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: this man adventures.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Wait wait, speaking of the Avengers, which we do need.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: If you guys are hiding, shout out like we beat them.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: I don't remember how we get them back.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: They kind of just find each other in New York
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: and then they always been linking in New York. They
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: love the link in New York.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: Link up and five the Aventures assemble. Okay, that's what
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Alone. Why can we just my thing? Is this why
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: everybody does not need to have an opinion?
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: Sonying.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: You were so annoying.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Every time we want to drag something that black people
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: are doing black people. Let's all talk about salad. I
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: promise you we get somewhere. We would get somewhere. Let
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: every time you want to drag who's the last one
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: y'all dragged India Iri? Every time you want to drag somebody,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: every time you want to drag keV on stage talk about.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Sound if you're gonna leave keV alone, and maybe we
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: could get somewhere.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Every time you want to drag keV talk about the
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: healthcare cost, maybe we could get somewhere. Every time you
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: want to drag keV talk about journalism doesn't exist, maybe
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: we can get somewhere. Every time you want to drag
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: keV on stage, talk about sha Bill's going up.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: And if we could do that. I think if we
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: could get somewhere. Why are they at an organization that
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: you believe that's the work?
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, drop a donation link, share Nolan Wells Mama's latest
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: ask us as a community, please, why are they so
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: mad about?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I don't even get it? What are you mad about?
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: He looks like his baby, he's got the same eyes,
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: he's a good actor, he's he's still a relatively unknown
• 50:35
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• 50:40
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• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's not going to be in another Also.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they considered him. It took years, and Ryan said,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I read the article. Ryan said, when he met him,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: he got chills. He knew Chadwick, he worked with Chadwick
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: for years. You don't think that when he met chat
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Wick he got chills. You don't think that he grieved
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: his personal friend. You don't think that he would come
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: to this with the utmost respect and reverence for what
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: this story means to us, Like we don't like, what.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Are we talking? Okay, short, okay, okay, short, he's short.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: They're mad that he's short.
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  Speaker 4: They're mad that he's short in British incredibly unserious. Well,
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: the British thing is a different conversation. I know that,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: but the not for this though, Wakonda is I'm sorry, guys,
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Wakanda is not a real plush.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: We want it to be, but it's really not. I'm
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: not mad at it.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: I trust Ryan Cooper.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: The actors are short. Five nine is not short. He's
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: five nine five night is not short. You out here
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: talking like do you have tall Tom Cruises? Tom Cruise
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: is like the number one movie star every and short
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: and short.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: For how tall is he? Five five five six? No way?
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Spect AnyWho back to the But I do think you're
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: not wrong. But no, but Tom Cruise is very short. No, no, no,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: he's five six. But I think at the end of
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: the day, are short. People are mad. He's short. People
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: are mad at everything. People are mad, guys.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Gia just gave us a bit of a sermon here.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, you dig it seriously. We have to start
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: being mad about the things that are worthy of being
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: mad about.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Like I think it's a great circle.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: Back to the beginning of this conversation. It's okay to
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: have an opinion about something. It's not okay for you
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: to get upset over the casting of the New Black Panther.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: It's not okay the.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: World is falling apart, like you need to put the
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: energy where it's meant to be. You can have an opinion.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: But Ryan Coogler is an Oscar Award winning filmmaker. He
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: has box off its pits off of our original screenplays.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, you don't know what you're talking about. I don't
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: have to tell y'all you're wrong, wrong that Okay, I
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: don't love that, But the voice, I love you. I
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: respect it. Yeah, I love it. Was sitting where but
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: no one is listening in my real voice. All right, No, no,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: you're right, you're not you you were preaching, and I
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: agree with you. It's important. You can't keepkicking Maud about everything.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: We literally do not have access what we retirement like
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: we are, We are so unseerious, who cares?
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: And here's nothing joy It's still gonna be the number
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: one movie because.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna see people drag jay Z for weeks weeks
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: on end. You're telling me that thing wasn't sold out.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Everybody went, everybody personally wasn't there Just me? Apparently I
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: didn't get to go up, and I was I would
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: have gone, but I'm trying to go in Paaris, but like,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: shut up, I'm gonna go.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: In l A.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. As already told that it's actually really
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: almost sod out in la and I was like, I
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: don't even think I'm gonna be in town.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: But I say that to say.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: We are unseerious, un serious, and the Internet is not real.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: It's not a real place. And I think we spend
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: so much time and energy focused on something that like
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: people dragged Oprah for for months about everything, some of.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: It fair critique, and jay Z too.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Some of the things are fair critique, But I just
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: want us to spend at least half the time being
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: just as vocal about the things that are affecting us
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: every single day.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: Do you think it's that we're still because I do
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: wonder what it will take. I saw I saw a
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: creator wrote something about our Americans too lazy for revolution,
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: and you know, I tossed the idea around, and I
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: don't know that it's that we're lazy. I think we
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: have been kept just comfortable enough, just comfortable enough that
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: we we don't. We don't, We're not We're hungry. We
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: can't have salad, we can't have eggs, but we.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Can still you know, we're still other.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Right, we don't have gas, but we can still get
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: a arrived with someone who does have gas. We're not
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: quite at revolutionary level starving or revolutionary level loss of rights,
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: a revolutionary level sickness, or revolutionary level violence.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: You know, you look around. We talked about what was
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: happening in.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: Albania with Evanka Trump, Evanka Columbus discovering Albania and deciding
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: that she was going to build Epstein Island too there
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: and the people.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: This is the news that people would need protesting is insane.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: She's like, oh, it's a beautiful oil. Look well we
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: were stoving off our yacht.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: People were like, you're in Albania, babe, untouched. There's a
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: whole war era base on the island. It's very touched,
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: quite touched, overly touched, war touched.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: In fact, The point is.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: We have we haven't gotten to that level yet, right,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: And I think we've just been held just comfortable enough
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: that we're like, is it really worth marching in the
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: streets and risking our lives?
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Is it really worth doing what our ancestors did?
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: Is it really worth doing what they did during the
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: civil rights movement and put and truly risking our safety
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: and lives? And it's also like why black women are like,
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: We're like, no, I'm not, we will be the first
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: ones to do it, clips.
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: But right, but I think you're right.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: There is like a proverb I don't know from where
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: and what, but there it was saying that if you
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: want to kill a toad, don't put it don't put
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: it in, don't try to drown it. Put the toad
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: in lukewarm water, in little by little, turn it up
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: until it's too late for the toad to get out.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: They turned up the watery. But we are so distracted.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: We are distracted enough.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah we're toads, but Love Island is on.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: We're toads, but we are on threads in and somebody's
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: ac I still got my cell phone, so we're going
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: to die on streams like, well.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: It's coming, my g this is the big one. Let
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: me let me let me.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Think, because if we had to sit outside in this heat,
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: I would I would be I would be losing it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: I'm saying like we're we're just we're We're just so distracted.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is.
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: My brother and I were talking about DVD players.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: My boyfriend I were also having these conversation and we're like,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: we're getting back DVD players. We have been scammed so
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: much that the thing that I bought once in the nineties,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I now have to pay for every month, and you're
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: rising the subscriptions on me.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I don't watch all this television.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: But but, but but there is so much television to watch.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I know, like there are I don't even know how
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: many shows on net Flicks alone. No human being can
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: watch all those shows, every show on Netflix.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: We're just distracted, and they are distracting us on purpose,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: which is why we're being funny.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: But we're not when we say, please mind, what makes
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: you so impassion that you drag everything sometimes? Oh baby,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: it's okay to be quiet. It is okay not to
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: have an opinion, it's okay to not care about it.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: We are so indoctrinated into the scroll, the distraction because
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: life is really hard and nasty, so it makes distraction
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: feel even safer.
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: But if we turn off the phone for a second
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: and look.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Outside, people are losing jobs, People don't have money, people
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: are having to move out of La altogether because of
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: how crazy everything is. Like that's just very local, but
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: you have people moving back in with parents. I mean, like,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: we're not okay, we're not talking about the thing. I
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: love to see people on threads, a thread of young
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: women saying like I'm thirty five and I have to
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: rebuild my whole life. I need advice, and like the
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: droves of women like, let's talk about the real things. Yeah,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: I haven't been able to pay my bills this month.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: It's about to be the first. And then somebody starts
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: to go fund me, like, I can't send you two
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars back and send.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: You twenty Like we need help book. What are we
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: talking about?
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: I think one of the things that we do I need.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: To get back to and it is scary because it
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: requires a little bit of vulnerability, which is not my
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: favorite thing. I hate it. But community is a word
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: that we throw out a lot but don't don't practice
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: as much, and it doesn't It's like you, we all
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: need community and we are community based creatures. When we
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: were originally created, we lived within communities. We weren't concerned
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: it was happening three thousand miles away because he couldn't
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: access three miles away. Our problems were hyper local to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: our set of people, and we would take care of
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: each other. And we're not even taking care of that
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: group of people, let alone the then next community, and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: then next community and then the overall community.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: And yeah, like we have to help each other.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: And when we're all concerned about dragging each other and
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: we're all concerned about, you know, what someone's casting is
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: or if they're too short, or we're all concerned about
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: like you are concerned about nothingness and you are much
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: more concerned about that. It's not like okay, like even
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: opinion on the casting. I have an opinion on it.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: We all have opinion about everything for days, but for
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: days and like, and how is that the thing you're
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: talking about and not the dragon in the corner that's
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: about to cook all of us. Shouldn't we be building
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: something for him?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't there be some talks about climate change?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: Shouldn't there be something?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: We're not even talking about it anymore. It's hot, it's
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: but here's the thing. Were not the climate change thing?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I think I have the shelf. No we can't. I mean,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: there's really so many things in front of us.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: But here's the thing about climate change. This has always
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: been my opinion about this. It got bad branding the scientists.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: They made it too complicated for people. They say, they
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: called it global warming, and it was cooked from the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: second they called it global warming. It was never gonna
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: make sense to anybody where there were snow, yeah, and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: then it just it could it couldn't.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: It couldn't last till now when people are like, oh, oh,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: there's no snow wait, yeah, none, but like it always
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: there's an absorbent amount of snow and you're like, wait,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I've never been snowed in for three weeks.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like New York just went through.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: In all these others, the lack of proper branding for
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: global warming was always why we were always going to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: lose that battle. Scientists needed to park it with some
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: really good marketers and come up with a better brand
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: for it.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: But what we need, y'all better branding.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: People who care about causes. Get a good marketer. There's
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: a lot that are out of work.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Let's get him into the get him, let's get him
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: into the campaigns. Get the level and hired some marketing
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: people for the next campaigns.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: The best marketing that we've seen. There's we talked about.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: We've talked about this on the internet. That's one of
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: the things I do.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: I loved that Cardi commercial.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Carti's rollouts have been amazing on everything she's done. You
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: saw the soda commercial. That was funny, girl, I can't
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: say that in church. Okay, cardis Like, there's been so
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: many great marketing things. Well, whoever did the last whoever
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: did the Barbie marketing?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: You need to hire him? Yeah, people, I even had
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: a Barbie party. We and I'm big, big, big aged.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Barbie was so formative.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: I love Barbie.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: We should do a Barbie family picture, me and my
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: sister with our raggedy barbiees. We put them in on
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: the in their best little fits and shout out to Angel.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: We only had one Ken because.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: You didn't need him.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: I mean he was married to like Main and Barbie,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: we didn't need We didn't needy more Kens. Guns were
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: always super cheap too. Nobody wanted to Ken. Everybody wanted
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: the girls. Yeah, yeah, I know, I love Angel girls.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: It's so fire.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: It's a very very cute campaign. Okay. Wait, we didn't
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: get to anything, and we did not call that thing.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: We got to get you out of here.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: I do want to talk to I want you to
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: talk about your I want to read a prophet, you know.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I want you to talk about you well whatever you
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: would like to, Okay, know what you want. But your
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: creatives of faith, yes, yes, yes, grands of faith. Okay, yay, Okay,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: it's been three months now.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: They have kicked my butt all of the months because
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: you know, like the mindset it changed that you have
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: to shift to.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: And I think we talked about this before.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: To be able to build something where you're used to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: being hired is like, yeah, it's emotional. I've been in
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: therapy for years, but our latest things have been like, well,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: why don't you feel like you can do this consistently?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: And like it just it's any entrepreneur knows this. Anytime
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: you're like having to sell or share the ideas I
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: have about like you know, charging people, it's like I
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: hate it all. And then we get to moments where
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: we're on prayer calls or live master classes, or our
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: internal like co working sessions, or our accountability groups, or
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: the moments where we're like dropping stuff in our conversation
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, this is why.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: So it's hard and it's beautiful.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: But Creatives of Faith is a new community that's all
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: about keeping creatives on assignment from God, the illus creative
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: of all time. And we do that through monthly master
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: classes in Bible studies, which are you know, the community
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: can join in all those things, but internally we really
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: walk together like we have daily challenges.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: We've had our some members host classes.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: We've had mental health check ins, we've had activation sessions,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: we've had financial classes for creatives. We've had a lot
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: of of amazing things internally in our first couple of
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: months that lets me know that it is absolutely necessary.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: It's hard work because I love people, but I also
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: love being by myself. So I'm like, it's like it's
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: stretching me in ways that I didn't necessarily know, but
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sure was the reason why I procrastinated it for
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: so long, because child who wants to do it is
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: all work, especially because like you know, until you can
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: pay for a team, you are your team. So like
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm a designer. I'm a like but
• 1:05:29
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• 1:05:42
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• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Craves of Faith, and she's been amazing. But like, I
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: can't call it keep every day. I call it all
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: the time, so sometimes I have to, like, you know,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: do it myself. I'm not a designer, but sometimes I'm like, Okay,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: I guess I have to learn how to do this.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: So it's stretching me a lot, but it's one of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: my favorite things. And and I've met people who have
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: really been touched and moved by it, and so yeah,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: we're we're building. We're a couple of months in and
• 1:06:07
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• 1:06:09
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• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: We're like, you're praying for people, you're deepening your faith,
• 1:06:15
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• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: It's like intrinsically connected.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Did you want to promote something else before I interrupt?
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  Speaker 4: That's it, Thank you so much for coming, and hang,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: we had we just had a little key key Honestly,
• 1:06:30
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• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: I didn't get to any of the questions.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: Do you want to ask one more? Because I definitely
• 1:06:34
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  Speaker 2: A whole you're rushing through Los Angeles traffic.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm serious. I do need to bring it back.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: And also it'll be back on Patreon because also ooh, before.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: We go, that's another thing we were that the people
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: on threads were talking about what everybody wants recently laid
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: off journalists who have big voices to start their own platforms, and.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: People say, do you have any idea? How hard it
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: is a smart. First of all, we don't need to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: start a platform.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: YouTube exists, Watch us on YouTube and subscribe.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: And also it calls money to do this.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: That's I'm saying, like everybody's not here's not volunteering. Would
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: you think they gave me these cameras?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Like huh so did they? I found this couch outside
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  Speaker 2: for some rich person's house in Beverly Hills.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: No, you have to fully promise, And that's what I think.
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  Speaker 4: People want people to start platforms. The platforms already exists.
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  Speaker 2: And it's also a lot show money.
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  Speaker 5: Do you you have McDonald's money? Do you have podcast money?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Like, unless we're supporting each other, then you're probably not
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: gonna see your favorite host all the time, which is
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  Speaker 1: why I love shout out to Kevin on stage and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: his big Tooby deal and all the amazing things he's
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  Speaker 1: been doing. But I love his Patreon offering because he
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: literally has like like five ninety nine six seven, and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: it's like, you pay what you want for his content.
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  Speaker 1: There are many people that are doing this and I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: think it's so helpful, and then you have to worry
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: about the people that are like why I got to
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  Speaker 1: pay for it because.
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  Speaker 2: It costs money, because it costs money to make it.
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  Speaker 2: You make this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it doesn't cost money to pick up your phone
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  Speaker 4: and make a video. It does cost money to make
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: actual shows. This whole operation costs money.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Money. And the platform already exists.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: It's called YouTube YouTube, it's called the podcast platform.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Like there's Jammel Hill like I I've seen she said it,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: and he's absolutely right.
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  Speaker 4: I am live, I have a show, I have a
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: I have a YouTube show, I have like I have
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  Speaker 4: everything you could watch me on I already am doing
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: the shows. Just subscribe, that's it, and then you can
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: put that YouTube on your television and then talking about
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: all the things you want me to talking about network. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's uh, it's crazy. The platforms already exists to subscribe.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: We don't just say that like as like a thing
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: they tell us to do. And finally, at Creatives of Yes,
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  Speaker 4: thank you so much for coming in. Thank you for
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: weathering the crazy LA traffic to come and hang with
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: me and have this lovely tea. Anything that you felt
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: was controversial, I said, not, Gia, no.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine.
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  Speaker 1: We first of all, the people who love you would
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: know you know you're about to tell tell the truth, child.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: But I know more, no more weird voice. I actually
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: love it. I listened to me and my real voice.
• 1:09:27
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• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: We'll caut you next time.