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Cardinals Season Wrap · Kenny Wallace Media

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  What's up guys? Welcome to Three Up Three Down,
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  our first post season show. As always, I am Jackson McNeil
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  on the Charlie Marlow YouTube channel and on TikTok.
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  We're going to talk ups and downs.
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  As always, we're going to talk a little bit about this mysterious
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  press conference the Cardinals are having tomorrow.
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  That's actually not that mysterious.
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  I can tell you what's probably going to happen, at least my
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  guess we can. We're going to recap the season.
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  We're going to talk a little bit about some of the roster
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  decisions they need to make this next season and, and where I
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  think they're headed. So let's start with the downs.
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  As always, my first down and I'm going to try and kind of get
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  these to be more of a macro topic, but I'm going to talk
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  Alec Burleson. Alec Burleson OPS 479 in
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  September. If you thought it was bad, you
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  were right. It was worse than that.
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  I do think this is really interesting because I think most
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  of us knew and and understood that they were going to move on
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  from Goldschmidt, Katie Wu to reported.
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  I think today that that's going to happen, which duh.
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  So first base can be really interesting position for the
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  next year cuz I do think Burleson is going to get the
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  lion's share of the bats. But I am curious to see if they
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  try to platoon him with say Herrera or Baker, Oregon, some
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  combination or Contreras. You know, Contreras when he was
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  a Cub played all over the field for a little bit.
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  I know he kind of ended up honing in on catcher, but he's
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  an athletic guy. I can see him playing first
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  base. So it'll be really interesting
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  to see what they do there. That I don't know, man.
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  I Burleson, I just, I'm not sure He had a really good first five
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  months, but that last month was so bad.
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  But maybe I'm being unfair. It's only one month.
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  His first five were a lot better.
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  I thought the whole second-half was bad.
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  It was really just September, so TBD on that.
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  I I am interested. Also, my second down is how
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  they're using Herrera. I I, I just thought it was funny
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  he didn't play today. Like I thought this paw haze
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  thing was over. I thought we were going to be
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  done with it. We're not even though these
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  games don't count and we need to get Herrera catching refs.
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  Who cares? We got, you know, pitchers like
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  throwing the paw haze or whatever.
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  We've got to move past that. Herrera needs to catch or he
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  needs to. He needs to be in the lineup UPS
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  800 this year. So, yeah, I'm, I'm curious to
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  see what they do with Herrera. I can see him being a trade
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  piece. You know, I know he can't really
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  handle the running game and, and in the past they were worried
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  about his preparation level. But I think he needs to play.
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  I think he needs to be on this team.
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  He can hit and they they need bats.
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  So I don't know, it felt like a little bit of a lost season for
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  him spending about half the year in Memphis.
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  But we'll see my third down payroll because it's going to go
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  down. I think Bob Nightingale reported
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  that they would look to move on from Sonny Gray.
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  I think they are totally open for business.
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  I would not be surprised if they, I would not be surprised
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  if they like really look at their options all all up and
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  down the roster, both to add and subtract.
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  But you know, one thing I want to preach, and I preach this all
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  the time is Sonny Gray, Wilson, Contreras, Nolan Moronado, they
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  all have no trade clauses. So they can't just go anywhere.
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  They got to, they got to say yes to the trade or you got to pay
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  them to, to, to say yes to the trade.
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  So it's going to be really interesting to see what they do,
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  what they try to do, what they're able to do with those
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  guys because those guys are all good players still.
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  You know, Nolan Arenado had an up and down year, but he still
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  put up 2 1/2 WAR. It's not nothing.
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  And I was down on it, but he did have a good second-half.
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  Contreras obviously can hit. He just needs to stay on the
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  field. And, and really his accident,
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  his injuries were kind of freak accidents with Gray.
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  You guys, I mean, we we beat Sonny Gray to death on this as a
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  topic this year. It was all over the place, you
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  know, did he throw it off innings?
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  But he's really good. I think they keep him.
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  I don't think he moves. You do need like pitching.
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  I don't think they have a lot of starters coming up.
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  I was really happy to see how Mcgreevy pitched today.
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  Thought he was great. I think he you can pencil him in
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  next year. I think you're looking at for
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  guys that are like going to legitimately compete for spots
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  in the rotation. Assuming they do the buyouts
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  that I think they'll do. I think it'll be Gray.
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  I think it'll be Michaelis. I think Max will compete for a
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  spot. That doesn't mean he'll get it.
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  I also wouldn't be shocked if they're like, we just can't do
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  the Steven Matts experience anymore.
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  I wish they wouldn't do the Miles Michaelis experience
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  anymore, but that's $32 million of payroll that they're not
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  going to get rid of. Mcgreevy will get a chance to
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  compete. I really hope Libertar gets a
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  chance to compete for a starting spot.
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  Zach Thompson is still in the organization, believe it or not.
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  So I don't know. It's going to be really
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  interesting to see what they do with the starting pitching.
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  Kyle Gibson, I think is going to be back as well.
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  I do think they're going to pick up that option.
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  I think they were going to pick up.
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  I always kind of thought one of Lynn or Gibson would be back.
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  Gibson had a better year. He stayed healthier.
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  I think Gibson comes back. That's just my gut feel with the
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  payroll too. It's going to be really
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  interesting to see what they do with Helsley because he's going
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  to get paid in arbitration. And they are kind of at the
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  point now where if if they don't think they're going to like
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  really, really contend next year, I think they need to move
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  him because there's not a ton of value in having like an elite
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  closer on a team that doesn't see themselves as major
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  contenders. So get value for him.
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  And I think you could get more for him in the offseason than
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  you could in July because you're giving another team a full
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  season of Ryan Helsley as opposed to two months of Ryan
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  Helsley. And with him being, you know, he
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  has had a lot of injuries in his career, It would be nice to just
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  see if they could get some value for him.
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  If they don't think they're going to compete next year, they
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  think they're going to compete, keep him, ride it out.
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  I wouldn't extend him. I pain relievers is just so
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  tricky And and that would just make me nervous with his injury
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  history, especially. Let's talk UPS.
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  Mason win 15 homers. Just like I told you guys on the
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  very first episode from this same office of three up three
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  down. I told you he was going to hit
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  15 homers and he did. He played 150 games this year.
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  He played through a lot of like ailments.
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  He dealt with his back in the first half.
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  Sounds like he was dealing with some elbow stuff in the
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  second-half. I thought he had a great rookie
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  year. He's not going to win Ricky of
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  the year. We talked about that earlier.
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  But I do think he is a bona fide piece for the future.
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  If I'm in the Cardinals, he's really the only guy that I'm
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  just saying, no, we're not. We're not moving.
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  Mason one period, full stop. Half of his hits were two strike
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  hits. He swings to contact.
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  He's fast, he's got a heck of an alarm.
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  And heck, if the short something doesn't end up working out,
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  we'll just we'll have him pitch my second up.
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  Ryan Helsley. I think it's really cool that he
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  broke the saves record. I was a the 2015 Cardinals are
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  my favorite Cardinals team ever. Those that know, know.
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  And that was the Rosenthal 48 save season.
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  So breaking that record is no joke.
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  And they really needed Helsley this year.
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  I mean, he was nails. I know he blew his save I think
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  the first night of the season. And then I think the only two
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  others he blew, he blew one in Chicago that was bad.
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  And then he blew 2 in Milwaukee. But those were his 22 inning
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  outings where he would come back the next inning after the
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  Cardinals would take the lead and he'd slam the door.
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  I was super impressed. They kept him healthy.
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  He had, he had more innings this year than in 2022 when he was
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  unreal. So happy for Helsley.
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  I think he's going to get paid in arbitration.
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  Like I said, I would move him. That's just my opinion because I
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  think you can get real big league talent for a guy like
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  that. You know, you look at the
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  Orioles, for example, who are going to the playoffs and I, I
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  don't think their bullpen is super set.
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  They DFA Ed Craig Kimbrel 2 weeks ago.
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  They could use a guy like Ryan Helsley.
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  A lot of teams could. And if you're not going to
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  compete, let's talk Paul Goldschmidt and Matt Carpenter
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  and Matt Holiday. So I've been thinking a lot
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  about the Cardinals Hall of Fame because this team doesn't have
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  any real Hall of Famers. It it probably does.
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  I'm being I'm being dramatic. But I do think it's really
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  interesting to see what's going to happen with Goldschmidt and
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  Carpenter, to a lesser extent, getting into the Cardinals Hall
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  of Fame. Last week I put up a graphic on
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  Twitter kind of comparing those three guys and Carpenter,
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  Holiday, Goldschmidt and Holiday was inducted in 22.
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  He made, he got in. So it's I, I'm just really
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  curious to see what happens with, with Carpenter and
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  Goldschmidt because I think those guys are both Cardinals
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  Hall of Farmers. If you compare Holiday and
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  Carpenter, they had very similar stat lines.
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  They both played about 1000 games.
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  You know, they both put up about 25 WAR.
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  They what's funny is all three of them hit between 150 and 160
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  homers as Cardinals. Carpenter hit 159 as of last
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  week, Goldsman had 152 and Holiday hit 156.
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  I just think it's really interesting because the
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  Cardinals all thing like matters to me and those guys are all,
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  they were all like, I mean, Goldsman won an MVP and
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  Carpenter was an MVP level player.
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  I mean, people are going to get mad that I say this.
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  Carpenter was a top ten player in the National League in the 20
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  tens period. Full stop.
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  Matt Carpenter's 2013 is like one of the 10 best seasons of a
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  Cardinals infielder like ever. He had like 80 double s.
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  He hit like 3:30. He and and remember if you guys
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  remember, he wasn't even the starter at the beginning of the
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  year. They made him play second base
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  just to get his bat in Atlanta, but he was not leading off.
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  And then one day they were like, let's just give it a shot.
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  It never ended. He's on Cardinals Hall of Famer
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  to me. Goldsmith's interesting because
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  he's not been a Cardinal as long.
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  He's played 800 game, 800 ish games, but I still think he's a
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  Hall of Famer. 2022 MVP takes the cake for me.
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  He also had two huge home runs against Atlanta and the 2019
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  LDS. He had the one in game one to
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  make it a one run game and then he had the he he and Ozuna went
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  back-to-back in game four off Keichel.
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  He's had some really good moments.
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  The 2022 season was like so much fun because they had the Albert
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  thing going and like Goldie the first five months was like he
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  was like the the guy walking in the flames GIF.
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  It was unbelievable. All he did was Homer.
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  It was like insane. And he he kind of was like the
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  guy that came back in 19 and like really made the org feel
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  like legit again. You know, Ozuna was back in 18,
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  but like he wasn't as good. But Goldie came back and was
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  like, no, like this team has like a dude and Goldschmidt was
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  a dude period. Full stop.
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  Goldie's 19 to 22. Like you got to go back and look
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  at the numbers. He was awesome.
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  He fell off in 23 and then this year we, we, we hammered it to
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  death. He was bad.
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  But that guy, the first five years he was here was nails.
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  So I really think they should both be in.
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  I'll be curious to see what happens with both of them next
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  year. I don't think either of them
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  comes back. I think I would hope this team
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  kind of values the roster spot for young guys.
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  Let them develop. But yeah, overall it was a fun
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  season. My first season creating content
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  83 and 79 obviously would have been a little more fun if
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  they've made the playoffs. There were points in the year.
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  I definitely thought that was possible up until like a week
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  ago. I think they were mathematically
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  eliminated, and I was thinking, whoa, maybe one of the teams
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  gets disqualified and they can make it so 83 and 79.
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  I know a lot of people are drawing parallels to the 2006
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  team. While that team went 83 and 78,
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  they didn't actually play their last game, which they would have
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  won because Carpenter would have pitched.
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  Not a big deal. They would have gone 84 and 78.
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  So yeah, the offseason content is going to come in hot and
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  heavy. We might even do podcasts, who
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  knows? I got to figure that out.
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  Anybody that knows anything about podcasts, let me know.
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  But yeah, thank you guys for watching.
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  Thanks for the support all season.
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  Shout out to Charlie for letting me get on the channel the last
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  couple weeks. Really looking forward to the
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  offseason. I think it's going to be really
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  interesting. It's probably going to be the
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  most interesting one we've had in a long time.
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  So yeah, thank you guys.