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Ep 20 - The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966) · Popcorn and Pals

• justin: welcome back to Popcorn and Pals, the podcast where we talk about all sorts of movies, good and bad, and we give you our completely unqualified takes on them. He's Zach, and I'm Justin. And today we're talking about the 1966 Western that'll make you want to backstab everyone around you and then go hunt down some Civil War treasure. It's the good, the bad, and the ugly. Zach: There you go. This is this exactly justin: It's Zach: what this movie is backstab central, baby. justin: So I think Zachary you said before we jumped on here that you had a surprise for me that I think Zach: Ha ha ha justin: you should share with me and then everybody else who's tuning in. Zach: So my daughter has a little plastic recorder and I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna learn the the theme song to the good, the bad and the ugly real quick. So I'm gonna justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: probably butcher this or I'm gonna have to do it and then it's gonna sound terrible, then I'm gonna practice it a lot more than re-record it Alright, here we go. justin: No, one take. Zach: my personal rendition of the good, the bad and the ugly. There you go. That's the mess I got. I was like, justin: He nailed it. That was perfect. I think Zach: before the call, I was like, I'm gonna learn how to do this real quickly on my daughter's recorder. And I quickly learned I do not know how to play the recorder. But justin: I can't wait to find out what your wife thought of that, from the other room. Zach: She was yelling at me because before this, we were getting our kids like dinner and ready for bed and I'm like, I'm gonna learn this real quick before our podcast to do it. And she was like, Are you kidding me? Can you help me? And I'm over here like playing on my justin: Huh. Zach: daughter's little pink recorder. justin: For any yeah, for anybody that needs a visual, it's a clear pink plastic recorder. So it fits perfectly. Beers and children's recorders, right, Zach? Zach: There you go. That's my that's my style. But alright, so I I I've a okay, besides my excellent recorder abilities, I have something I wanted justin: Mm. Zach: to to bring up and see. Have you heard about this? Have you heard justin: Okay. Zach: so Marvel is re-releasing Infinity War ahead of the new or not endgame, excuse me, ahead of the new Doomsday or whatever they're calling it. Have justin: Okay. Zach: you so They do not have access to the IMAX screens because Dune has like a three-week exclusive. Have you heard about the Infinity Vision? justin: S somewhat, but refresh my memory. Zach: Okay, this is so I'm like, this is the most gre I I heard about this on my the podcast listening to you called the Weekly Planet and I was like wow this is the most greedy stupid thing I've ever heard. So justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: they're labeling some theaters as infinity vision. They're not justin: Sure. Zach: building new theaters, they're not bringing in new stuff. So this is your typical theater you've already gone to a bunch of times. But if it meets justin: Mm. Zach: a certain qualifications, I think it's like 45 foot screen, certain sound system. certain lumens it whatever, yada yada. They're like they're calling it Infinity Vision for these two movies so that they can charge you fifty dollars a ticket. And I'm justin: God, ooh. Zach: like I will say this. It's not only like Disney is doing it to bump their box offices, but like they justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: don't set the ticket prices. The movie theaters do, right? And Fandango does and stuff like that. So like justin: Mm. Zach: they're all like in cahoots. And I'm like, this is the most ridiculous, like dystopian thing I've ever heard. I'm like, you're justin: It's it's Zach: gonna charge me more for the same movie ticket I go to see all the time. I'm like, what a bunch of bullshit. justin: Hell yeah, that's classic Disney right there for you, buddy. I will say this though. I I will say this though. i it is corporate greed. Let's not let's just period right there. But you do have to give them Zach: Yeah, no sugar coating that. justin: you have to give somebody on Disney's team credit for trying to come up with a sleazy solution to get around Dune having all of the IMAX theaters. Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: So bravo, whoever came up with infinity vision, way to go. You're the butthole of the centurion on that one. Zach: Yeah, for real. I'm like, don't give them props. Don't give them credit for that. Ridiculous. Most ridiculous thing I ever heard. I was like, Jesus. But anyways. I just I d I didn't justin: Hm. Yeah, it gives you something to look Zach: know if you heard about that. I had to like just be like, my justin: The Zach: god, I can you guys suck. justin: I've I've seen all of the articles about Infinity Vision, but I didn't know what it was. I thought it was like something I didn't know. Zach: It's it's it's like when it's like when Southwest started in charging more for like the first ten rows just because they could. I mean justin: Mm. Zach: it's the same ten rows I sit in, it's the same legroom as the eleventh row. But you get off the justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: airplane like three minutes faster and you're like like come on guys. God you guys are killing me. justin: Yeah. Zach: Jesus. But anyways, it's just. We're living in the darkest timeline, you know? justin: Mm well giv it gives us something to look of course. It gives us something to look forward to in December. Zach: There's I I might, I might go see that one in theaters. I'm like, I just struggle with these Marvel stuff. I mean like if there's anything to see, it's like the Spider-Man or it's like the Avengers, but man, I'm telling you what, I am not going to Shang-Chi Chi Tu or whatever it is, the you know Shang-Chi Shou. justin: Shang Shang Chi. Did did you see the required watch list for Doomsday? Should it Yeah, you should pull it up 'cause it's pretty funny. Zach: No, I I could Here wait, let me pull it up. Let's see. Required watch list doomsday. All right, so Marvel has revealed its official required watch list. Okay. So we got X-Men and X-Men 2. You can justin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Zach: skip the first X-Men. If you're gonna watch X-2. justin: Sure. Why why not? Zach: The First Avenger. Captain America, the first Avenger, I should say. The Avengers. Avengers Infinity War. Avengers Endgame. Loki, you gotta watch two seasons of television. Alright, alright. justin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Zach: Shang-Chi. there he is. justin: Yeah. Zach: Spider-Man No Way Home. None of the other Spider-Man movies, but that one. I like but that movie requires previous viewing. So then you also gotta include like Spider-Man, justin: Yeah. Zach: Spider-Man 2, the amazing Spider-Man. Alright. justin: Yeah. Mm. Zach: Wa Black Panther Wakanda Forever. So you gotta watch the more depressing W Black Panther movie. Got it? Okay. justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: Captain America, Brave New World. Everyone's favorite. Captain America movie. justin: Mm Zach: Feel like that one you just have to get the ten minute, you know, someone on YouTube giving you a recap of that one. justin: Yeah. Zach: for it's a good for a PG thirteen movie, you gotta watch Rated R, Deadpool and Wolverine. justin: Yeah. When I saw the list I giggled to myself 'cause I was like, I'm not watching any of this Zach: Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four is the rounds it out. I'm like that's like they're like go back and watch the movies that nobody watched. Please. justin: Yeah. Zach: We need the views. justin: It's I don't know. It's really interesting to see where Marvel has gone all these years. 'Cause at a certain point, man, I would have watched every single thing that they put out without question. But now Zach: Yeah. justin: yeah, it's gonna be interesting. But I I if I watch Doomsday, I'm going in blind. Not not any homework done beforehand. 'Cause there's just no time for that. Zach: At least they didn't put w what was that one the Nick Fury show, Secret Wars or whatever? At least they didn't put that one. justin: yeah. Zach: whatever, but at least they didn't put that one on there. justin: Speaking of secret wars, let's talk about this secret Civil War treasure. Talk about a transition right there. There we go. Yeah. Zach: There you go. Yeah. I do have to I do have to say the secret element of this war is 'cause I'm pretty sure like in the southeast there was not much civil war that was happening. But you know, yeah, so sure. That's probably the secret part of this war. justin: Mm. Hit everybody with a synopsis that doesn't take three hours. Zach: Okay. I was like, if we do a real synopsis, right, it's gonna be like you're gonna have to help me because I don't there's so much in this movie. Alright, justin: Yeah. Zach: here's my synopsis. Three men. The bad, a ruthless outlaw who would kill without remorse, the ugly, an average looking but ruthless outlaw who would kill without remorse, and the good despite his name a ruthless outlaw who would kill without remorse, travel across the American wild west of southern Spain in search for Confederate gold. justin: Hmm. Perfect. I I mean that's it. You we really don't you don't need to elaborate. If you want to put like they try to fuck each other over every five seconds, I think that could fit in there. Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: But that's very succinct. Right on the money. Thank you. Zach: I just like those like the wild west of southern Spain because the whole movie's filmed justin: Yeah. Zach: in Spain. justin: my god. No, great Zach: Have you have you ever seen so before we get into the movie, let's talk justin: Yeah. Zach: about spaghetti westerns. Like have you ever seen a spaghetti western before? Have you v heard that term spaghetti western before this? justin: I've heard the term. I I think probably the closest that I've gotten to it is some of Tarantino's westerns. But I don't know if those would be classified as Zach: Yeah, yeah. It's definitely heavily inspired. justin: yeah. But actual spaghetti westerns, no. This was my first time. Zach: so this was my first spaghetti western 2, and I'm like, I like I said, I'm not like a big Western fan like we talked about when we were watching Tombstone. But justin: Mm. Zach: like I do find myself, you know, when I do see a good Western, I'm like, that was a good time, you know? So like I was open to this movie. Then I saw the runtime and I was like, dear God, buckle in. justin: Yeah. Zach: Three hours, which is the extended cut. In in our defense, the original theatrical release was like only little over two and a half hours, so still long. But they justin: Hm, sure. Zach: added like twenty minutes in re releases and and you can only get the the extended edition now, but justin: Yeah. So funny story, when you texted the other day and you were like, Hey, do you want to record on this day? And I was like, yeah, sure And I was like, shit, I gotta watch that movie And I pulled I we got the baby down and I pulled it up. I was like telling my wife, All right, I'm just gonna go watch this movie real quick. It was eight PM and I saw the runtime of three hours. And my and my heart sank a little bit. 'Cause for anybody out there, we're watching on Tubi, which Tubi, man, we'll sing Tubi from the rooftops. Tubi is awesome. but you are gonna watch probably an hour and a half of ads. Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: so it was it was a long night. Zach: It was long. Yeah, I was like I was telling Carly, I'm like, I might have to discuss this with Justin to put like we have to check the runtime on the movie before. I was like, I think Lawrence of Arabia's on our list. I'm like, we're not doing Lawrence of Arabia. It was like four justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: hours long. Cause I'm like It's so justin: Like I'm I I am to hey, I am totally fine with watching a super long movie. as long as we split it up. I went into this super unprepared and I did not research that ahead of time. Usually I do, just to Zach: Yeah, same. justin: make sure. But I just thought like, it's a western, it's probably not that bad, whatever. but yeah, three hours that's a long time. Zach: Mm. justin: for and I I don't know if that is typical of spaghetti westerns, if they are generally long movies. But Zach: I don't think so, 'cause this movie is part of like a trilogy, right? And this is actually the third one, justin: Mm. Zach: but they're like more anthologies than they are trilogies, I would say. And this justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: is by far the longest one of those three. It's also the most expensive one of those three, so a lot of lot of ideas happening in this one. justin: Yeah. Which I think it shows. yes, there is. Yeah, I it was it was very interesting. I think I struggled with it just purely because of the runtime. It's so long. and I think there is I don't know, I I think there is a fine line between atmosphere world building, all of that, and then just you're dragging it out. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: and I think I think this movie Zach: It is nineteen sixty six, right? So justin: Yeah, I think this movie they pole vaulted over that line into they dragged it out. But on the flip side, Zach: All right. Fair. justin: on the flip side, genuinely some tense scenes and the Zach: Yeah. justin: production the production I thought was phenomenal. Like that Zach: Yeah, so this movie was made for a million dollars back justin: Hmm. Zach: in sixty six, which I think is like ten times now. So like it's like a fifteen million dollar movie. It's like a low budget horror movie. It does not justin: Yeah. Zach: feel low budget at all. Now I think the justin: No. Zach: fa the fact they have the star power of Clint Eastwood at like the cheapest he'll ever be in the history of his career, right? I think adds a lot justin: Mm, mm-hmm. Zach: to that. but yeah, he was It was definitely like at the l the like the time, you know, and the place where like you could make a fifteen million dollar movie feel epic 'cause they filmed it in Italy, right? That's why it's a spaghetti western. It's like a Italy production company, an Italy producer, an justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: Italy director, an Italy writer. Like it's all this Italians making an American Western, which is really funny. But they but what I think is like so interesting about this like spaghetti Western concept is, you know, they they they for one, they put like the American Western and like took like all the righteousness and kind of like the more superhero elements that we have today and like made justin: Mm. Zach: it gritty and darker. of like you see with a lot of superhero movies now. Like there's like the boys doing that same thing, right? They're like turning it on the genre on its head. And then also justin: Mm. Zach: the fact that they filmed it in Spain and in Italy is like There's no rules that the like justin: Yeah. Zach: they have in the United States. So safety. Out the window. Super cheap, right? Long hours. Overtime. justin: Yeah. Zach: Out the window. Get out of here. You're paid. We're justin: Yeah. Zach: working 18 hours, no matter what. So they have like no, you know, SAG rules and things like that to to to to contend with. So it's like justin: Mm. Yeah. Zach: so you get to make it cheaper and and then I think because you're in, you know, not Hollywood you can set things up cheaper, you can get cheaper actors and everything like that. And plus they had a lot of back end deals with this movie opposed to like front end deals that kept the budget lower too. So I think if you justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: probably included all the back end deals, like all the profit that didn't go to the studios that distributed the movie, it's you know, the movie could be considered a lot more expensive for how much you got paid, but it's like after the box office, not before, right? So justin: Sure. Yeah. Zach: Yeah, i interesting interesting I f did like a deep dive into Spaghetti Westerns and kind of Sergio Leone and like his mythos, which I thought justin: Mm. Zach: it was just I I was like utter fascinated by it. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: So it was a really interesting interesting air in Hollywood and an interesting group of creators. But justin: Yeah. I think I think yeah, it's like you said, I think it's impressive that the budget was so small, but this movie feels so grand. I think a lot of that comes from the production and like using real sets, real environments. I mean that's it for everything that this movie is, it makes you feel like almost I felt like there were so many scenes where I felt like I was actually looking back in time. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: on like old West towns and buildings and trains and I mean it's impress it genuinely impressive to see what they were able to do with a fairly small budget. Zach: Well, think that like the fact that it was filmed in southern Spain actually I think works to its benefit. Because it's not this like grandiose southwest where you have Monument Valley in the background of s some like farm lady's house, right? You know? So th like justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: it they don't make this like you you're not like in Sedona, Arizona with the beautiful bluffs and everything. It's just like it feels dirty and gritty and and justin: Mm. Zach: and the set design is great and There's not a single person who's wearing a pressed shirt. Like John Wayne shows up and he's like with frills and a and like iron shirt on and it's like, you know, hello pilgrim or whatever he does. And it's doesn't feel like the West, right? Feels like Hollywood. And this, justin: Yeah. Yeah. Zach: it like I almost wrote when I first before I did any research into the movie, I wrote down like, is this like a was this like a real city that they filmed in? 'Cause it just felt so authentic. Yeah. justin: Yeah, it did. I that's what I thought too. 'cause yeah, everything it it feels that's the perfect word for it. Authentic. it feels real. Zach: Yeah. You can kinda tell at some points that there's some cheekness going on. Like in the scene, which maybe we'll talk about later in Best Scenes, but when when Blondie is cleaning his gun and is it Tuco? Is that you say his name? I can't rem remember. justin: Two yeah, two co, yeah. Zach: Tuco when his like crew was like climbing up the stairs in like the, you know, hotel or or whatever it is. saloon justin: Mm. Zach: hotel kind of you know, bed and breakfast kind of place. when they fall backwards and one of them hits the wall and like the wall like it's like clearly very thin. justin: Yeah. Zach: But but other than that, like I do think like it looks very, very, very good. justin: Yeah. yeah, it was very lot of lot of emotions with this movie, but I think that was the thing that held it down for me was the runtime and then we'll dig into it, but the audio shoe boy. That was Zach: Yeah, yeah. Well th I have a lot of notes on that. We'll get to that one in Age the Worst, right? 'Cause like the justin: Yeah. Zach: ADR and the dubbing in this movie is very interesting and you have to like settle in. And that's like another hallmark of the Spaghetti Western is like everything was filmed without sound. So all the justin: Yeah. Zach: sound is added in post and in dubbing and in ADR. And it's like justin: Yeah. Zach: It's interesting. I mean they produced the movie for Italians, right? So they knew they were gonna have to dub it when you're using American justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: actors who don't speak Italian. And justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: they also had plans because Italy's such a small market, like we have to distribute this worldwide. So the movie's just like planned to be dubbed. It's just funny when you see Clint Eastwood dubbed, right? Or like justin: Yeah. Zach: 'cause it's like, why? But justin: Yeah. Zach: it's not an American movie, so it felt like almost like watching anime, right? Like justin: It's yeah, it's a it did, yeah. It's a very it's interesting 'cause I think you know, like I think generally in movies we're used to seeing, you know, maybe a scene, or even like a line where they had to go back and dub over it and in post production. But after like the first ten minutes of this movie I was like, hang on, what what is happening here? And I had to I had to give it a Google because Zach: Yeah. justin: I was like, is what what is this? but one yeah Zach: Yeah, it opens up with that scene with the and again maybe we'll get to it later, but like where the bad, right, angel eyes is like walking into that family's house and you can just justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: see the Quent Tarantino there, like the scene in Inglorious Bastards, right? Like when justin: Yeah. Zach: it's like just clearly an homage. But th that scene, like both characters start talking and like, Whoa, what is happening? justin: Yeah. Yeah. It's it's jarring. I think yeah, the more that you spend with this movie, the more time you spend with it, it starts to get more normal, you get used to it, but yeah, for like the first hour Hmm Yeah. Zach: Mm-hmm. I definitely settled into it, but I could see how it could be distracting for some people. I was doing some research into this music. I wanna talk a little bit about like I don't know how much research you did into Sergio Leone and Lucenzo I'm gonna g I'm gonna butcher the crap out of these Italian names. but Lucenzo Vinzinchoni Zinchoni, I think. Vinzencioni. The d justin: Mm. Zach: the writer. Did you look into the any research about this and about their creation of this or anything? It was justin: Mm mm. Zach: it's fascinating. These two are characters. They are like insane justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: people. I'll start with like Leone was like a a director first and he Got he's the director, sorry, and he got the first one made on like a shoestring Italian budget. The first was which is a fistful of dollars, is made for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: The second one, which is something else with dollars in the name. my god, I'm my loser. Should have looked I should've wrote this down. justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: it's not a f it's a fistful of dollars, it's the first one. And the second one is like gimme a dollar. No, what is it? a few dollars more. God, it's an idiot. All right. Yeah, for three fifty. justin: You were you were right in the wheelhouse there. Zach: A few dollars more. Like, give me give me more money. Give me more dollars. justin: Yeah. Zach: and he made that one for three fifty. And so they were made by an Italian studio, so they needed to find like a US producer. And this is just like speaks to the character of these two guys, but I thought it like a great story. So, justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: Leone's like a very like eccentric guy. It's like yeah, you know, it's like he apparently he 'cause he didn't speak English even though he's directing Americans. So like everything he did was like act he acted out all of his directions. Vinchondi, the writer, he did speak English, so they showed this to the guys at United Artists who were the American distributors for this. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: And they went to a screening in Rome or something and they loved it and they were like, Done, well we're gonna distribute it for you. Like, what's the next one gonna be? And they had not talked about like the next one. So justin: Yeah. Zach: the story is like that the writer Vincioni was like just came to him. He's like, Three outlaws, they travel for gold in you know, in the southwest. This and he's like, it it came to me in my in a vision Like the good, the bad, justin: Ha ha. Zach: the ugly, or whatever, right? And he just like and then they go, That sounds great. They're like and they go, How much is it gonna cost? And so he turns to Sergio Leone and is like, How much? And like Sergio Leone, does he almost talent? They just had this conversation in English. And he's like, What are you talking about? I have no idea. And so he like explains justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: it to him in Italian and he's like, I don't know, 750. And so he turns back to the United Artist guys, the the Vincione, and he's like, A million dollars? They're like, yeah, sure, sounds good. So they just like sold it. Like right there. justin: Ha Zach: I think there's some hyperbole to that story, because like the more you listen justin: Yeah. Zach: to these two talk about their the making of these things and their stories change all the time and they love a they love like grandeur. Like one of their justin: Yeah. Zach: other stories that Leone had, I think it was Leone. He was researching about the Southwest. And so he goes, he says he went to the Library of Congress to research it. You're like, okay. And so justin: Yeah. Zach: he goes there and he tells the librarian, I need the details on this battle that was in East Texas for the US Civil War. And the librarian's like, I can't give you that. There's that didn't happen. And he's like Look it up, I promise it's out there. So he leaves and she goes tries to go find it. This back in the day before you could Google things. So like librarians actually went and like found the information for you. justin: Sure. Zach: And he comes back and she is she's like, I can't believe you were right. I found eight books on this battle in West Texas. You're just like Americans are so disappointing. Like you clearly know your stuff. Like you're it's like we should be more like you, more well read, we should know our own history. He tells this story and she's like, You are so great He's like, I know, I'm Leon Ivan. Whatever, right? And so he justin: Ha. Zach: tells this story, it's full of shit. It did not happen. This thing that he's like referencing in this movie. There's like a similar battle to it, 'cause I th it I think he just gets confused. But like justin: yeah yeah yeah. Zach: there's a similar battle, but this like stories full of shit. Like justin: Yeah. Zach: 'Cause it's not real. But that's like the hype like the the kind of the bravado this guy has. justin: Mm. Zach: But that just makes me laugh. I don't know. justin: That's really funny. I feel somebody I feel like somebody needs to make a movie about them making this movie. Zach: Yeah, yeah. justin: almost like what shame Franco did that movie about the room years ago. What I forget what it was called, but Yeah, there you go. Zach: Yeah, yeah. The the disaster artist. Yeah. justin: but yeah, I feel like behind the scenes stuff like that is fun. These guys sound like they would be fun characters to watch. Zach: Yeah, it's so interesting. There's so many good Leone stories. There was like another one that made me laugh 'cause he's like a very physical actor. And so like Eli Wallack, who plays The Ugly, right? Yeah, Tuco. He justin: Mm, two co. Yeah. Zach: or Tuco? Tuco. He justin: yeah. Zach: he tells this story about like 'cause Leone thought it would be cool. You know how in the movie Tuco like has a gun with a string on it? He like justin: Yeah. Zach: keeps tying a string on his gun. So like Leone like thought it would be cool that Tuco didn't wear a gun belt. He like wore it like a purse. And he's like, and he I he like tells him, he's like, I want him to throw the gun in the air, like sling it up with his body and his shoulders, and he like catches it, and like that's how he fires. And Eli Warks Woolwick is like, what the hell are you talking about? I I how do you do that? You know, like I can't do that. Like, what do you I have no idea. It's like, can you show me? And so justin: Yeah. Zach: he's like, okay, perfect. So he puts it on, the gun on, and he does it and it flies up in the air, he misses it, comes down, hits himself right in like the g the the privates, like hits himself right in the balls with the gun and he's like, Okay, you can just put it in your waistband. You don't know to do that. justin: Yeah. That's really funny to hear 'cause okay, that I I had questions about Tuco doing that with his gun. There's a whole scene where he like takes a s a piece of leather, he ties it around the the handle of the gun, and then he puts it over his neck. And like I thought this movie seems like they nailed the historical accuracy when you look at the environments and all the things. I thought for sure Zach: Yeah, it's very accurate from a clothing perspective and a g weapons. The weapons are real weapons from that time period. Yeah. justin: Yeah. So I thought like there has to be some historical s signi Zach: Some of it, I should say. justin: yeah, significance behind why he wore like a rope around it or something, but that's really funny. Yeah, that's Zach: No, I just thought it would be cool. justin: r funny to hear that that's why. Zach: Yeah, that was really it was just these guys were characters. They sounded like I don't know, like just pr he was like a perfectionist too, just like an insane person, but it was justin: Mm. Zach: th th they're really interesting and they're just he s Sergio Leone is just like considered the godfather like of this genre. And like he really makes this genre with these three movies. justin: Yeah. Zach: And what's interesting too is like in the US They distribute these movies in the same year. So th they justin: Mm. Zach: they are made one year apart, each of them. And they're justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: released in Italy in n sixty four, sixty-five, sixty-six. But all three of them, because they're tied up in litigation, and we can talk justin: Mm. Zach: about that too, that's another really interesting part of this story, this justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: makes this movie. But because they're tied up in litigation, United Artists releases all of them in the same year. in the United States and every one of them is a big hit. But it just like justin: Yeah. Zach: it's really interesting. Like you'd be like it's kinda like the year of the Matrix where they have those two Matrix movies, you know? justin: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zach: Ugh. It's like the year of the Dollar Trilogy or whatever you call this. So justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: the year of the man with no name. justin: Mm. Zach: So but they're a really interesting group and I had a lot of fun researching them. justin: Yeah. Zach: I I agree with you this movie was too long. I'm not gonna lie though, like I fucking loved this movie. I thought it was incredible. I could I was like once I got past the dubbing and like settled into it, I was like, This movie's not too long. I loved it. Like I thought it was great. So justin: Yeah. Good. Zach: I don't know. You know, I I thought like I'm like, I loved all the betrayal. It felt more like a mini series than it did like a movie. Like I feel justin: Mm, yeah. Zach: like every thirty minutes is kind of a new story happening and a new betrayal and a new twist and a new so it's like you could almost break this out into like a six part mini series, I felt. It was it was I th but I loved it. I thought it was great. justin: Yeah. They they they take they take enough time for it to feel like it would be great for a miniseries. I I mean like just one small example. When when Tuco survives being left in the desert by Blondie and he makes it to town and he goes into a gun store and he's trying to get a gun. I think they they spend probably ten to fifteen minutes it feels like on that scene. I don't know, that could be dramatic, but it feels like they spend so much time watching Tuco pick out a gun, take it apart, go shoot it, do all this and that. Really, the goal of that scene is for us to understand that Tuco might be goofy, but he is not inept when it comes to handling a firearm. Like he can shoot and he can shoot really well, right? And then also, Zach: No, he knows his shit, yeah. justin: yeah, and then also he's not like ruthless, but he Zach: And he's like very particular and he knows what to look for. justin: Yes, and then he i he's on the other side of the law. He he robs this the the gun store owner. He takes the gun, he robs him, whatever. He leaves. But like we'd we don't need for a movie, this is my opinion. We don't need ten, fifteen minutes to explore all of that. But I feel like it's not just that one scene, it's the entire movie is extremely lengthy. I think there's probably a way, if you could have trim this sucker down to under like to to two hours, cut an hour off of this, man, I'd be right there with you. I would have loved it. but there's just so much that was like it was just so goddamn long. Ugh but Zach: Yeah, I I I mean I agree with you, right? Like it's i e I don't know. I that for me that's not a good example. I could've watched Tuco like clean his gun for like a hundred years. I loved it. But but I agree with you, like the opening shot with like the two guys walking in the desert as they go into the into like where Tuco's having lunch or whatever, justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: and they go in there to shoot to do a quick shoot up, but like they walk Forever and you're like a modern movie would have probably cut that half the time and you probably could have still had the same effect. I agree. There's like things justin: Yeah. Zach: that you could have some of the patience that the movie has, justin: Sure. Zach: you could have cut some of it out and probably still captured a lot of what it has, but well. I don't know. Like at the beginning it was kinda like but once I settled into it, I'm telling you, like I I don't know, I was like hooked. I was into this movie. I was really into it. I like, Whatever, you know what? justin: Good. Yeah. Zach: Take longer. Like, let me see those eyes and the flashback down to the gun, then back up to the eyes, and back down to the gun and back It's like I love it. justin: Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's and that's the cool thing about I feel like this movie is that yeah, you're gonna have some people that love it, some people that dislike it, but I think for what it is, it is it it it is fun. and there's a lot to like about it. I think yeah. Zach: there's one thing I wanna talk about real quick. Okay, so this movie is on IMDB's top two hundred and fifty. So these are have you seen this list before? justin: Mm no. I think I've only we've only looked at the AFI list. Zach: The AFI. So this is different than AFI. AFI is like done by like critics and directors and it's like and the in the the American Film Institute. Like they're the ones rating it. So like snoppy, you know, movie film critics or film people, right? Are the ones who do that one. this one is based on like you and me. So we're giving ratings to IMDB and they're putting their like best rated to you the top two hundred and fifty best rated films on their site in order of the ratings. And I think you have to meet so many ratings, like I I think you have to have over a million or maybe half a million or something like that. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: to get on the list. So it can't just be like, you know, you got five ratings and they're all tens or whatever. So they're you get to the top of the list. So justin: Sure. Zach: this movie is number ten on that list. So out of two hundred and fifty films, according to IMDB, this is like the tenth best movie. Now I'm a little suspect of their list. I don't think justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: there's a bad movie on it, but I do think it's one, heavily influenced by Gen X. I think those are the people who use this website. anyways so I I thought I would go through the top fifteen or so to be like justin: Yeah. Zach: okay, this makes sense, this doesn't make sense. justin: Yeah, see how it this stacks up against them. Zach: Alright, you you wanna go let's go backwards order. In fact, I justin: Okay. Zach: actually I wanna start with num let's do t the top twenty. Okay. So number twenty is seven. The movie seven. Like alright. But you can see like, alright, there's your Gen X movie. Yeah, justin: Mm. Yeah. Okay. I like I love seven. Yeah. Zach: but Gen X movie right up there. Number justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: nineteen, which was interesting, which I think it's on our list, is one flew over the cuckoo's nest. justin: yeah yeah yeah with Jack Nicholson. Zach: Yeah. Jack Nicholson. Yeah. Yeah, so I was like, alright, alright, so that's on our list. justin: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Zach: We're good that'll be a future movie for us. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: number eighteen My My My Shame, good fellows justin: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Zach: Number seventeen is Interstellar, which I'm like, get outta here. This that's not the justin: Mm Zach: seventeenth best movie of all time. Get outta here. justin: No, but I feel like general the general population loves Interstellar. Zach: Do not get it. It's I don't get it at all. Don't get it. It justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: the movie ends and the movie ends he's like floating in a bookshelf and he's talking through time by tapping on the strings of the universe or some bullshit. I don't know, I can't I can't with that movie. The Tesseract thing at the end of the movie is t utter nonsense. Anyways, alright. Number sixteen, The Matrix, which I get like also a Gen X movie, but I get like that's up there. Number fifteen justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: is Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, which again that's very much a you know, of a generation, but justin: Yeah, I'm s I Zach: I do love that movie, right? I mean like it's a classic. justin: Sure. Zach: N number fourteen, Inception. So another Nolan movie. I'm like justin: Mm. Mm-hmm. Zach: Nolan's got two of the top twenty best movies of all time. I'm like, okay. You can tell like justin: Yeah. Yeah. Zach: the bias, I think. The number thirteen, you know how I feel about this movie, Fight Club. justin: your favorite movie. I'm I feel like Zach: I'm like, come on, get outta here. That's my gen another Gen X movie. justin: I feel like there are even just going through number thirteen, there's a few standouts but I'm seeing a pattern here. a a a pattern of demographic, I guess. Zach: Yeah, right. Number twelve, Forest justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: Gump, which I love Forest Gump. It's a fun time. It's a little cheesy and a little saccharine. But again, a Gen X movie, right? Like of a generation. justin: Mm yeah. Forest campus it's it's wonderful. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Zach: The number eleven, have you heard of this movie, Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers? justin: Nice. Zach: Then here we go. So this is the first movie before nineteen like eighty on this list. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: And it's number ten, the good, the bad and the ugly. So I was like, all right, all right, we're justin: Okay. Zach: getting into like some diversity here of you know, what people are watching. And then right back at it, justin: Sure. Mm-hmm. Zach: number nine. We're back to Gen X, Pulp Fiction, another one of my favorite movies of all time. justin: Yeah, this list is like tailor-made for you. We should've used this for our podcast Zach: Number eight is the fellow is Fellowship of the Ring. justin: Nice. Zach: Yeah, okay. Sounds like I mean it's good, but we got so we got two Lord of the Rings movies in the top twenty movies of all time. Okay. Number justin: Yeah, sure. Zach: seven is Schindler's List, which I legitimately agree with this one. Like I think Schindler's List is incredible. A justin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Zach: depressing, hard, hard watch, but an incredible movie. Then number six is Twelve Angry Men. Sounds like okay. justin: Mm. Zach: Again, outside of the scope of Gen X, like a nineteen fifty-seven's movie. It's a great movie. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: And then let's we'll we'll finish it up here. Number five is Return of the King. So fellowship Return of the King is better than Fellowship in this list, which I think is interesting. justin: Hm. Sure. Yeah. Zach: number four is Godfather Part Two. Number three is The Dark Knight for Heath Ledger's performance alone. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: number two is The Godfather One. justin: Mm. Zach: And number one, can you guess the number one movie on IMDb's top two hundred and fifty? justin: I have no idea. Zach: Gen X special baby Shawshank Redemption I do love Shawshank, it's a great movie. Like I think it is a top ten movie of all time, but it's just so funny. It's number one. Best movie of all time. justin: yeah. No, it's yeah. Yeah. I'd say I'd say ninety percent of that list is yeah, of a certain generation. I I think yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. Zach: Yeah. It's c it's very clear that who who rates these movies? The top twenty movies justin: Yeah. Who t who takes the Zach: of all time are within the last you know, thirty years. And justin: Yeah. Zach: they're all ch they're all from the nineties or they're all from the nineties or a Christopher Nolan movie or Lord of the Rings. That's like the criterion. Nineties Gen justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Zach: X movies, Lord of the Rings, Christopher Nolan. And you're in the top. justin: I'm I mean I guess i when you think about it, if that's the criteria is that you have to get onto IMDB and and log on and rate it through there, then yeah, there's only a specific type of person who's gonna do that compared to other ways of doing it. Yeah, interesting list for sure. Zach: No, it's like even like going even going even going down the list, if you expand the scope of it, it's just like more Star Wars and then you throw in a gladiator, you throw in you know these other Gen X movies are up there. Which I think is just really funny. Like it's there's some Kill Bill is Kill Bill is in the top fifty. Get the fuck out of here. This list is justin: Yeah, yeah. Zach: dumb. But anyways, there's there is some unique ones on here, but justin: w here's here's what we're gonna do. I think you are going to make your own popcorn and pals top what do you wanna start at? Top fifty, top two hundred, just bust it open? Zach: Well, so far we've only done twenty movies, right? So justin: Yeah. Well, we'll work. Zach: We'll do our top twenty. We'll keep adding. We'll keep we should we should rank our movies at the end of the year. But justin: Yeah. We should. Zach: Alright, let's get into our superlatives. I just thought it was interesting that it was top ten, and then I was like looking at the top twenty and I was like, Alright, it's very clear there's a f it it's male and it's Gen X who are on this website rating these movies. justin: So let me ask you this. In your own personal list, would you say this the good, the bad and the ugly, cracks your top ten? Zach: Hmm Top 20. I I w I'm willing to put it in my top twenty. I think I thought it was great. It's it's justin: Yeah. Zach: probably like I have more nostalgia for some of the movies we've watched so far, but it's probably my favorite of the movies we've watched so far. justin: Well maybe maybe you found your genre, the spaghetti western. Maybe that's where you need to Zach: No, I don't think so. justin: You don't wanna d you don't wanna dive down and watch the other two movies in this in this trilogy? Zach: No, no, I'm I'm watching a fistful o'dollars and you know, give me some more money or whatever that one's called. I'm watching them justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: for sure. I you know, but I I I will say well we'll get into it into characters. Let's start with best scene. Let's get into our superlatives. I've I've wasted enough time. All right. Superlatives. Best scene. Let's go. You go first. What do you got? justin: Yeah. Yeah. okay, I've got one one best scene and then two runner-ups, because they were really fun, and Zach: Okay. justin: I just had to put on here. But my my overall best scene, it's the ending, right? From the time where Tuco gets blasted off his horse and he ends up in the graveyard. There is like this rush as he's trying to find the grave, and then he's digging, he's digging, he's digging. And you're just like, my god, is he finally gonna find this goddamn treasure? Was it all a hoax? It was a lie, is it gonna be there? And then he he's right there at it, and then Blondie shows up. And then Angel Eyes shows up, and then it's the iconic, classic three-way standoff. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: And and I don't know. Just that whole scene was I feel like if I didn't watch anything else in this movie, that scene I would have been so happy with. And I love that that's how they ended the movie. b the standoff was really cool, but I love how they ended with Blondie gets Tuco up in the noose and then he rides away and then he shoots him down off of the he shoots the noose just like old times. It was it Zach: Yeah. justin: was perfect it was perfect. I will give it that. It was absolutely perfect. that was my that was my favorite scene. Zach: I I agree. That was on my list. It's probably number one, right? Like when he gets there and he's like running around and they're playing that score and I mean it's a classic Western score. Like we'll get to AIDS the best, but like this score, like it's almost parodied too much to appreciate it in modern justin: Yeah. Hmm. Zach: days. But it's just it's like Tuco manically running around. It's ballet almost, right? It's like there's a theatrical experience and it's like or or like an opera, right? It's like it's not you're no longer watching acting and dialogue and, you know, what you're watching is a performance, right? It's it's it's justin: Mm. Zach: great. I I agree with you. I think it's it was an incredible scene. I I actually did have justin: I feel it. Zach: the when Tuco is cleaning the gun and checking it out at the gun store and he steals the gun and I actually had that as one of my favorite scenes. I loved that scene. I thought it was great. justin: You that was one of your favorite scenes? Zach: I was like I can watch him I'm gonna watch a whole movie of Tuco inspecting guns because I thought it was so good. but yeah, I I agree. justin: Here But here's the thing, I feel like Zach: That's probably the best scene in the movie. justin: I think it is okay. In in in comparison, I could watch behind the scenes Lord of the Rings documentary footage for like five hours straight and just be totally enthralled in what Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: I'm watching. Right? So this that hit your sweet spot for you. For me, I was like, man, this is just can we move on, please? But for you, you wanted to see everything. And I think that's that's really cool. That's what it You you found your genre, Zachary, the spaghetti western, and you need to embrace it. Zach: I don't know about that. I I probably researched this movie out of more than any movie we've done so far. Like I hours I was listening to different podcasts, watching YouTube videos, reading about it. It was but justin: Yeah. Zach: yeah. What about the like the bridge explosion scene when they go to that civil war battle and justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: you know they're talking with that captain. Who again has terrible ADR, but he's kinda like a fun guy, you know. justin: Yeah. Zach: Or terrible dubbing, I should say, because he's speaking Italian that whole time. But justin: Mm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zach: the actor is. But he but yeah, then they have like, you know, the where they go and attack the bridge and there's so many extras, and they're actually justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: you know, it feels like a very it's probably the scene in the movie where the director was trying to make the most commentary about war. justin: Mm. Zach: and then they go and they blow the bridge up and they're hiding behind the bags and like real debris is flying over them. I'm like, people clearly know safety rules and those are stunt doubles, justin: Yeah. Yeah. I I Zach: by the way. They're not Clint Eastwood, they he wanted Clint Eastwood and Eli War Wallach to do that scene. And justin: Hmm. Yeah. Zach: he th i the c this is the again, this is the story. Clint Eastwood was Well, where are you gonna be? And he's like 200 yards over there up behind the wall. And he's like, he's like, okay, that sounds good. I'll be there with you. So they have stunt doubles do it. justin: That is funny 'cause yeah, there I feel like there's one shot where they are like directly behind them and you can see debris flying at them. And I wanna say like yeah. Zach: Yeah, like big pieces, like sandbags that are like forty pounds are moving from it. justin: Yeah. There's but there is like a rock, like a decent sized rock that you can see it on film that gets very close to I thought it was Clinton Eastwood. I I've stunned double but g super close to him. I remember thinking Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: like day they like that wasn't CGI, that was real. Zach: No, there's no CGI in this movie. Yeah, it's incredible. justin: What I yeah. No, the explosion scene was really it was really cool. I I j I think my favorite my god. Zach: They they had to do that twice. That's another fun story. They had to do that bridge explosion twice because they justin: Mm. Zach: they built it the first time and then the explosion guy asked the set designer team if they wanted to justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: press the button And so I guess like in Italian, like go means like it's via or via or whatever. And justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: someone said over the radio, like, can you like go get me this? And they heard via because they didn't speak they don't all speak the same language on this set. So the guy pressed it. Not a single camera was recording the first time they blew it up. And a justin: Yeah. my god. It's like Tropic Thunder Zach: Yeah, exactly. It's probably that probably what inspired that scene Tropic Thunder, right? Like just justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Zach: the comedy of airs. But I guess the the it was they actually had the Spanish army rebuild it all for them. Like the army like, Okay, we messed they they were like part of the ones who messed it up. So they rebuilt justin: Hmm. Mm. Zach: it. but they were like I guess the guy who was one of the producers on the movie was like, Look, we can rebuild it, it's fine, we'll pay for the rebuilding of it. But you can't fire the the like ex the effects guy. He's like, it's not his fault. justin: Mm. Zach: It was an accident. Like 'cause the the director was pissed. So they actually like stood justin: Ha Zach: up for each other, which I thought was great. But anyways, yeah. That was a good scene. justin: No, it was yeah, the bridge Yeah, the bridge exploding scene was phenomenal. I I loved just the goofiness of Tuco and how they're in the Heidi hole and Tuco has his butt up in the air. Like I was giggling at that more than anything. Zach: No, the movie is surprisingly funny. Right. And a lot of justin: Yeah. Zach: that is on the back of Tuco and his kind of justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: shenanigans and his character. But justin: Yeah. Zach: yeah, the movie was I was surprised 'cause you you see Clint Eastwood and you're like three hour Clint Eastwood just staring with his little squinty eyes, you know, kind of movie and I'm like, all right, let's buckle in. And then like Tuco Tuco's justin: Yeah. Zach: like the main character of the movie, really. And he is justin: He is Zach: he's he's he's he's fun. So my next scene, I think my last scene I had was the train scene where Tuco jumps off the train with the the Union justin: Mm. Zach: guard like attached to him. And then they justin: Yeah. Zach: fall in the dirt and he you he curses him and then he like breaks the chain over the train tracks. Like all those just justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: I just thought the stunts were like really good in that scene. And clearly people really jumping off trains into dirt and clearly The train like getting Eli Wallach is really there. You see his face. He's really there when justin: Yeah. Zach: the train goes by and breaks the chain and everything. I thought it was just really good. But so that was my but I I agree with you. I think the best justin: Yeah, it's just Zach: scene is the ending. justin: Yeah. I mean it's I I feel like yeah, like you said, you have the iconic music, you have like this classic standoff I mean it's just it's perfect. And then they end it perfectly with them paying homage to the to Blondie and Tuco's relationship at the beginning of the movie. I it was just because Zach: Yeah. justin: I was like, surely Blondie is not going to leave Tuco there, right? Like and yeah, when you see him turn around you're like, my god, he's gonna shoot the rope and it was just perfect. Zach: Yeah, that's good. All right, let's go to best character. What do you got? justin: Tuco by far. He is the best character. Zach: Yeah, dude, it's Tuco is amazing. I Eli Wallack is so good in this movie. Ha have you justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: ever seen him in anything before? Did you look who up who he is? justin: So funny enough, yeah, I have never seen him in like his younger roles, but like old man Eli Wallach, was that movie The Holiday? I knew him from The Holiday. Yeah. Zach: Yeah, he's Arthur from the holiday. I was like, it's Arthur and I looked it up, I was like, I love this guy justin: Yeah. I had no idea. And then the more I watched him in in the movie, I was like, my god, that is him But y no, you're exactly right. Like, okay, from the very beginning, okay, even because he is described as quote unquote the ugly, right? Like and he's just this goofy I don't know, you would think that he's just a side character, but he is the main character. He has the most screen time out of the three by far. Zach: Yeah. justin: and for good reason. He's he's just so good in it. I mean I think he's I feel like there are so many facets to Tuco's character. Like he's he's kind of evil and ruthless, but he's kind of funny. He's a thief. He's a sharpshooter but he's super Goofy, and he's just like a weasel, but he just yeah. Zach: Yeah, he's clever. He he gets in like, you know, he outsmarts people and yet he can't read. You know, it's like it's great. He's like you know justin: Yeah. I mean Zach: what he reminded me of? He's like a proto I almost think he's like a proto Jack Sparrow. Like justin: Mm. Yeah. Zach: he comes off like kind of bumbling and incapable and then he does stuff and you're like, my god, this guy really is like he's not to be trifled with. justin: Yeah. The you you brought it up already, but when Tuco's gang sneaks up on Blondie and Blondie takes him out like just like that, three shots and they're down. And then Tuco's right behind him like cat and mouse, like he had him the entire time. I was like, shit, like Tuco's capable. I didn't know that. But yeah, he's Sure. Zach: He's ruthless, he just sacrificed his three buddies. justin: Sure, but he pro like he knew that trying to you you're not gonna catch Blondie head on. Like you got you have to try to take him by Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: surprise somehow. And yeah, I mean Tuco is it's so funny 'cause he's yeah, he is a lot of the comic relief of the movie, but he is incredibly capable. And well, he was just out of the three, he was by far the best, in my opinion. Zach: Yeah, yeah. I agree with you. He's no doubt. And I'm he was my favorite character by far. He's ruthless. He's a villain. And yet I was like, get to the gold, you can do it, Dugo. I believe in you. He's also the only character justin: Yeah. Zach: like who has like kind of an arc, right? You know, he sees his brother, he kind justin: Mm. Zach: of opens up even though he still kinda he still can't like help him at the end help himself at the end and like try to go get the gold himself, you know. justin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Zach: But yeah. What about Blondie? Would you put Clint Eastwood? He like he's okay in this. justin: Mm no. I well, we don't have to go. I I'll say Blondie for wor for worse c for worse character. Zach: Okay, let's save him. Alright, let's go t let's get to I mean, Tuco no doubt, like Wins again. I don't even know there's another justin: Yeah. Zach: contender. Like like all three leads are great at what they're doing, but yeah, let's talk about Warst character. justin: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I I s and this is probably blasphemous for anybody that loves this movie or just Clint Eastwood in general. And I will say I put Clint Eastwood Blondie as the worst character purely because he is the weakest out of the three. Cause there there are so many characters in this movie, but when it comes to like actual screen time and characters that we get to spend time with and know, I feel like it's between those three Tuco, Angel Eyes, and Blondie. And I thought out of the three, Clint Eastwood was I guess the weakest. Ca I mean, he doesn't really do much. He's he scowls. He smokes his cigar. And he just kinda He's just a badass. I mean, which in and of itself, that's cool and everything. And I th I know that that's why everybody likes him, because he's a badass gunslinger in this movie, but I I I don't know. He j is just he felt flat to me. He just didn't do much. He just s scowled and looked off in the distance. Zach: Yeah, he's got like a couple moments, you know. I think the cigar thing, I think it's like he's got like a really interesting cadence with it where he kinda flips it in his mouth and he's always chewing it and like kinda doing like that part's cool, like that he can do that I guess. But he is. justin: Mm. Zach: He's just like he's just there to look cool. And he looks cool as shit. But it he's just there to look cool. You know, i he's got a couple moments justin: Yeah. Yeah. He's Zach: like when he's giving the cigar to the dying soldier and everything, but yeah, he d the character justin: Mm. Zach: has no development in the movie. justin: No, and I think, you know, for anybody that just wants to watch like really cool gunfighting in a Western movie, like boom, Blondie is your guy. and not Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: that, you know, we're trying to have drama revelations here, but Tuco was by far way more entertaining. And even Angelize, like that opening scene that yeah, it feels like Inglorious Bastards ripped. Yeah. Like Angelizes Zach: That's probably in best scenes too, right? It's like yeah. justin: he is Menacing. Whoever cast him, bravo, because he is like the perfect bad guy. He even looks like a snake. Zach: He he he's in he's in Gimme More Money the second one, whatever it's called. Gimme Another Dollar, whatever justin: Mm. Mm-hmm. Zach: it is, right? But he's in that and he's a good guy in that movie. So he's like opposite justin: Mm. Zach: Clint Eastwood in that movie. justin: Yeah. Zach: different character though. He doesn't play Angel Eyes. he plays justin: Yeah. Zach: the character called the Colonel or something. But he yeah, justin: Mm. Zach: I thought yeah, what's his what's his name, the actor? Lee Von Cleef, he is he was justin: Mm. Zach: incredibly good at being just the most sinister, you know, justin: Mm. Zach: like just ruthless kind of gunslinger, you know. I he was great. I honestly like he's the best force character in my mind. I think like of I think Eli Wallach I liked the best. Lee Van Cleef I thought was the best, like most v villainist compelling villainist one. And then I liked justin: Mm. Sure. Zach: Clay Swood. He definitely rounded out the cast and he's got the look and he's he makes it very cool. But he I thought I enjoyed the other two much more. justin: Yeah. That's that's where I landed on. It's it' not that he was bad or anything. It's just the other two were way more they were way more interesting to me. Zach: worst character, what about Father Pablo Ramirez, Tuco's brother? I'm like, you're a priest, okay? You can't be more forgiving of your brother. You're supposed to be open to the you know, to forgiveness. Father Pablo, get out of here. justin: I mean Yeah. He he just came he he just came back from their dad's funeral, you butthole and Tuco wasn't there. He's probably heartbroken. Zach: No. I'm just saying he's not being very priestly in that scene. You know, he's he's letting justin: That's Zach: he's letting his brother the his fam his family and brother rivalry get in the way of like being a good priest, that's all I'm saying. justin: That's fair, yeah. Zach: No. I think best villain, Lee Von Cleef, for sure. For me. Angel Eyes. justin: Hm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Zach: Alright, let's get to Age the Best. I think the number one thing is the music. justin: yeah. Yeah, the music was really And there's yeah, you you made a point about like some of the more iconic songs. they've almost been I don't even know how you put it, like they're legendary. I feel like they use for commercials. I mean, they are the the one that you played on the recorder Zach: It's almost satire at this point to use it, right? Yeah. justin: Hmm. And then the one that plays at the very end when Tuco is like running searching for the grave, that one. I feel like I see that in truck commercials. I mean, like, it is it's almost been like identified as I don't want to say like masculine or like macho or anything, but like it I don't know. They they have been they have elevated to much more than just the the score for a movie. It it is like Iconic. Zach: Yeah, I agreed. A hundred percent. I had I know you didn't like it as much. I actually had like the editing. I liked that they let stuff breathe in the movie a little bit and they had these very long establishing shots and everything. justin: Mm. Zach: but so I had that. But maybe that's age the worst for you. justin: No, I actually did I didn't have that. That was more of like a nitpick, just it was really long Zach: Mm. justin: for me, but no, I aged the best. I had just the the scope and the scale of the production. Like from the environments, shooting on location, like real buildings, real trains. It it really I I I was truly blown away like while watching this movie because every new scene it didn't matter if they were indoors, outdoors, like it just looked great and it felt like you were actually there. And again, that's just it's incredible that they were able to achieve that on you know a a smaller budget. 'cause it it feels like a a grand scale. It feels like a big movie. Zach: Yeah, it does. It feels very big. I I agree with you a hundred percent. I like and and I think that goes in too, like I th I had like costumes, I had the set design, justin: Mm. Zach: like I had like all of that was just so well done. It feels very authentic. justin: Yeah, it really does. I had the intro. I loved the intro. I thought it was just creative as hell with like the mixture of like pictures, animations, transitions, but then more importantly, you've got the iconic music playing in the background during it. But I don't know if it was just a product of like Italy in the 60s, but it was just I thought it was really, really cool. Zach: I agree. I thought it was great. The last justin: Yeah. Zach: one I had the ugly umbrella that Tuco uses while he's in the desert and I was like, you crazy kiddah that was a really fun that's a really fun moment. justin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Tuco. He's Tuco's classic. Zach: All right, let's get to age the worst. justin: I I don't know how much you want to go into it, but for me, yeah, like we talked about the audio. and like i I feel like if you I I read into the reason why and I know you already touched on like some of it, how y they just they did not record audio when they filmed. But it just man, for like the first hour, hour and a half, it was Zach: No. justin: fairly it was fairly jarring for me. it just made it hard for me to immerse myself into it. But after a while, I mean you you get used to it, I think, the more time that you spend with this movie and it becomes kinda like second nature. You really don't you don't pick up on it as much. But yeah, it was it was tough at first for me. Zach: I I agree. I I think you do yeah like I said, you settle into it, but it's kind of yeah, it's at the movie's detriment, I think. You know, I wish justin: Hmm. Zach: I wish it wasn't that way, but I I get why they did it. It's also much cheaper to do it that way. justin: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Zach: but anyways. justin: Yeah. Zach: Tuco's list of crimes that he gets, like every time he's being hanged, they're like reading off his rap sheet. And it is an insane list. I have I have I'll come back to justin: yeah, yeah yeah yeah. Zach: it in nitpicks, but I like, ooh whoa. There were some things mentioned in there. I was like, whoa, that's real dark. justin: Okay. So I had the last thing that I had on here, and this I don't know, this is probably this could just be personal preference, but I thought Eli Wallach's Mexican accent. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: It was just up and down. Some scenes he was like right online and he it sounded Mexican. And then other scenes I was like, dude, that's a New York accent. Like I can hear your New York accent coming through clear as a bell. but it was I don't know. It it it keeps it entertaining because like you don't know how he's gonna sound, but yeah, he was all over the place. Zach: Yeah. It is weird 'cause like this is he's my favorite character in this movie and he does such a good job and he's like a New York or LA, I don't know, one of the, you know, Jewish guy, right? justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: And so you're like that that might age the worst too. You know, he's like you didn't have a Mexican play this role, or you didn't have like a you know, someone who's from the the Latin American community play this role. I don't know, that's a very justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: modern perspective to put on that character or to put on that casting director, right? It's like this is how they did it in the sixties. but maybe justin: Mm. Zach: that's age the worst. It's hard for me to say that 'cause I love him in the role so much. But yeah, he does, you know. He is a Jewish guy putting on a Mexican ac Mexican accent. So justin: Yeah. Hmm. Zach: But what else you got? Anything else? That's all I had. justin: No, that wa yeah, that was it. That's all I had. Zach: All right, well let's get to WTF are they talking about? justin: What what did you have for this? Because the audio was already fucking with me. I didn't have anything. Zach: honestly, I had nothing. I thought for a movie that was made in 66, and maybe because justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: it is a period piece, so they didn't put like modern colloquialisms in it, but they didn't even use like maybe because it was written justin: Mm. Zach: by Italians, they didn't even really use like Western colloquialisms. Like no one's calling anyone Yella or you know, or anything like that, right? Like So like I'm justin: Yeah. Zach: like this is nothing I have nothing for this category. I thought they it was very clear. Everything was understandable and clear. justin: That I am I am shocked that you didn't have anything. Mr. Subtitles himself. You usually always have something, but Zach: Dude, I tried. justin: that's impressive. You're looking for it. Zach: Yeah. No, it was I mean, you know, the ADR was so clear when they do speak you c you could understand right? justin: Yeah. Zach: One thing I thought that was really interesting about this movie, with the ADR, so it's written by Italians, right? So the script was in Italian and then they translated it to English. And a justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: lot of the actors when they read the script originally were like, This is doesn't make any sense, right? 'Cause it's like a very poor translation. So they used justin: Yeah. Yeah. Zach: a lot of their own dialogue and their own like improvisation to make the characters sound justin: Mm. Zach: better. But the problem justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: is it wasn't shot with sound. So they had to go ADR it later. So justin: Yeah. Zach: they when they went back to ADR it and they and for the US release it was three years later 'cause it was tied up in litigation. So they had to go remember what they made up on the spot that day and like try to read their lips and like It's part justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: of the reason I think like the ADR is a little rough. But justin: That yeah, that tracks. Yeah. Zach: There was one guy, he it's one of the guys by the tr when they're getting on the train and it's one of the soldiers justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: and he says something, it's some American dubbing over an Italian guy, but the Italian guy couldn't speak English, and so I'll justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: f Sergio Leone was just like, just count the ten and I'll just put ADR over it. justin: No way. That's it's that's really good background to have because there are so many scenes where it's like, dude, your lips are not matching up with these words whatsoever. Zach: it's really funny. Alright. yeah, so yeah, WTF. Good good job, Italian movie producers. I got nothing for ya. justin: Yeah. Yeah. Zach: all right, sequel. You're the sequel guy. What do got? justin: no, I mean I think this one this a sequel is just easy, right? 'Cause you've already they've already baked it in essentially. Tuco gets down, he gets his money, he goes and loads up at the nearest town, he gets whatever firepower he needs, and then he continues his cartoonish back and forth with Blondie. And they just keep going after each other like Tom and Jerry for the end of the till the end of their days. I mean, I feel like that Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: provides so much entertainment in this movie is their those two interacting with each other. that you just you keep it going. And just easy. Zach: Yeah. No, I thought the the the conceit of what's his name? The the the Confederate soldier dying and so like one of them gets half the information, the other one gets the other half the information so they can't kill each other. I thought was justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: like a great like storytelling device and yeah, you want like maybe not another treasure, 'cause I think that would like too cliche. But you want justin: Mm. Zach: like, you know what would be like the prospect of of like new land out west or something. And so, you know, Blondie's like, I'll go out there. I'll continue my journey up, you know, to the Oregon on the Oregon Trail or something like that. And justin: Mm. Zach: but there's like, you know, sp a valley of gold or something. Maybe they're going to San Francisco or something like that. And like where this valley is, like either one of them only gets part of the information. So they have to like Work together again. Yeah, I think there's a lot of really fun things you can do or something like that. justin: I think either way you split it, like those two they have to interact with each other. 'Cause that's what makes the movie. It's almost like I don't want to say like a buddy cop, but it kinda feels like a buddy cop movie. Like they work very well together. Zach: Mm-hmm. It's like an odd couple movie, a buddy cop movie kind of thing. Yeah, a hundred percent. justin: Mm, mm-hmm. Zach: all right, let's get into hot takes and nitpicks. justin: Do you wanna kick it off? Zach: Sure, I'll kick it off. all right. This is my first one. Tuco's rap sheet when he's getting hanged, and so they're they're listing off all of his crimes. There's some heinous ones like, you know, RAPE, right? All that kind of stuff, you know. And to minors and all just horrible things. They're just listing off horrible things. justin: yeah. Zach: And but we get to know Tuco over the over the movie. And he yeah, sure, he's willing to rob. He's definitely willing justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: to kill someone. Maybe not in like Not like for joy, but like for, you know, as a byproduct of the crime he's doing. But justin: Sure. Zach: the whole list is just there's some heinous shit that he's done in there. And I'm like, I just doesn't justin: Ha ha ha Zach: feel like the Tuco we knew in the movie. justin: Yeah. Zach: And so my my my hot take is I don't think he actually committed half of those crimes. I think him and Blondie like put it out in the universe that he committed these crimes to try to bu bump up his justin: Mm. Zach: his his reward sh his a reward fee. So like I think you justin: Yeah. Zach: know, he'll kill someone, you know, in the same way that any outlaw would in the West back in the day. He'll go steal something for sure, right? He'll pull a crime. justin: Mm. Zach: But he's he's not, you know, I don't think it's I think that rap sheet is them pumping it up to try to get some more money out of the situation. justin: Yeah. I think you're exactly right. He 'cause I think after the first Zach: That's my theory. justin: one, after the first time that they get away, 'cause originally I think Tuco's bounty was like, what was it either two or three thousand dollars, but they get away, and then Blondie makes a comment that his bounty will be even higher now. so I mean clearly like they are, yeah, to your point, they're interested in getting his bounty up as high as possible, so they're probably pumping those pumping those infractions up. Zach: Pop of those stats. Yeah. justin: Yeah, yeah, exactly. okay, what I think my biggest nitpick is how did Tuco actually survive in the desert after Blondie left him there? Because Blondie Zach: No. justin: says that they are seventy miles away from town. And Tuco had no water. Now according to Google, that is physically impossible for a human being to walk seventy miles in the desert without any water. It you can't do it. So that's that's my nitpick. Zach: Yeah. No, seventy I've walked s I've I have backpacked seventy miles. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: At best you are doing it in three days. Like at best. So that's three justin: Yeah. Yeah. Zach: days of ki and that's like twenty-three miles of walking a day. That's three marathons. You know. It's no. Yeah, he had to he had to find something. Yeah. justin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And he's got no water. But he makes it. He survives. Yeah. It's just yeah, it was funny. We're seventy miles away from the nearest town, I was like, No, you're not gonna leave him here Zach: Blondie just got confused where he was. He he he he misjudged where he was at, you know. justin: Hey, tell it kind of. Yeah. Zach: yeah. the other one too, in that same kind of thing, right? Like Blondie leaves him seventy miles, so we're talking three days. And then Tuco gets back, gets healthy, gets a gun, gets his posse together, and he immediately finds Blondie. Like I I don't I justin: Yeah. Zach: don't understand how Tuco finds him so quickly. Like Blondie could have gone any justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: direction to any town. justin: Yeah. And he knows exactly the to the room he knows where he is, 'cause he sneaks up in his window. Zach: Yeah. Like he finds him in town, he's like, That's his horse. I know that's his horse. I'm like, It's a horse. It could be a hundred. They never keep the same horse, they're always stealing horses and stuff. I'm like, who knows? But justin: Yeah. I thought this this is I I had it under nitpick, but it almost come it's almost like too funny to me. so when Blondie when Tuco is trying to save Blondie, 'cause he's like, you know, almost dead from being in the desert, but he puts him in the back of the wagon and then Tuco is wearing Confederate army clothes. And he pulls up to like that Confederate outpost and he convinces these Confederates that not only is he one of them With like he he's supposed to look Mexican, he has the Mexican accent. but he gives them I don't remember what the name was, but it was a super white name, like Brian Smith or something. it was just Zach: Ha ha ha. justin: real It was really funny and they just buy it and I was like, there's no way, not the Confederates Zach: Yeah. It's like Bill Carson or something. Yeah, I know, right? That's a good point. I think so. I can't remember. No. justin: Yeah. Yeah yeah. Was it Bill Carson? Yeah. It's just like I don't know. It was just really funny. I had to laugh at it. Zach: Yeah. Well i and speaking of that too, right? That scene, because they're going a hundred miles, right? So he's like, We're not doing 70 miles. Now we're doing a hundred miles with and I'll have justin: Mm. Zach: my little cantina of water and you know, we'll see when when you die, Blondie. But I'm like He's on horseback. What what's that horse drinking? Did he bring water for the horse? Like how does the horse surviving that? justin: Yeah. Zach: It's even harder for the hor I it's like you know, I was like, okay, I guess we're gonna walk a hundred miles and we're gonna drink out of one canteen, you know. He's got that bucket, so somewhere he's got like a bladder justin: Mm-mm. Zach: of water, maybe maybe he's able to f to give the horse water, but I'm like, that poor horse. Torturing that horse too. justin: Hmm. Hmm. Zach: The one the one I had, so I have a couple more, but when bad at the end of the movie, when the bad, when Angel Eyes sneaks up on them at the cemetery, and he's like, two can dig faster than one. justin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Zach: He's just killing them both right there, right? He doesn't even justin: Yeah. Zach: talk to them. Like it why is he talking with them? He's got justin: Yeah. Zach: the treasure, he's at the right spot. If he he's got the jump on them, he just shoots them, right? justin: Mm. Yeah, you would think I mean unless I don't know, unless he just totally doesn't trust him and wants to like see the treasure first. But yeah, I'm I'm with you. If you know you've got the the upper hand on him, why why would you even fuck around? It doesn't. Zach: Mm-hmm. justin: That makes sense. And it came back to bite him in the mask because he Zach: Yeah, I did. justin: he went down. my last one I didn't have a whole lot, but my last one was How did Angelize and Blondie escape the Union camp? Cause so when when Blondie and Tuco first roll up to that camp, their their prisoner It looked like a World War II concentration camp. Like it was fenced in, there was like a gate, there were guards, all the things, right? And we know Angel Eyes infiltrated the camp. He's not really a Union soldier. So he is there kind of like sneakily. and Blondie was a prisoner, and like we see them changing into their normal clothes before they leave. So how did they get out? That's I don't know. And I think t I I don't probably he just scowled at Zach: Just c Clini Clini Swood's charisma. justin: he scowled at the guards. I mean I think Tuco asks him, asks Blondie like how did you escape that camp or something? But he doesn't really tell him anything. Because I he brought up that question and I was like, ooh, I'm curious to know how you got out, but he doesn't he doesn't allude to it. but yeah that was all I had. Zach: They're they're they shore le it's shore leave, you know? They're just they're like justin: Maybe. But I also props to Angelize, because Angelize, he must have been there for a while because he was buddy buddy with like the head commander or whoever. And like Zach: Yeah. justin: if he doesn't know that you're a a fake, that's impressive. Zach: The one thing I had too with the uniform, 'cause they like get ca they get captured by the unions 'cause they're wearing the uniforms. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: Once they're all held healed up from the monastery or the church or whatever, why do they keep wearing Just keep moving. justin: Why would you keep wearing the uniform? Yeah, exactly. I feel like if you wear that uniform you have a fifty fifty chance of running across a group that doesn't like you. Zach: I just don't get it. justin: I thought the same exact thing. I was like, why do you still have it on? Like, just take it off and act like you're a civilian. I did I Zach: Yeah. justin: thought that one scene was really funny though when they saw the Union running up to and they were like, no, no, no, it's okay. They're they're wearing gray. And Yeah. Yeah. Zach: They're all d covered in dust. Yeah, that's clever. justin: I thought that was really funny. Zach: I know speaking of that though, like speaking of like the union though, like the when Angel Eyes is is a captain in the army, like h how? How did he convince you like it justin: Yeah. Zach: just glossed over. He's just he's just there, you know? But justin: Mm. Yeah. Zach: Yeah. I think that's it. I was looking at my list and I wrote down something but I cannot read it. justin: I love that you take hand handwritten notes. Zach: no the one Okay. So this one. When when Tuco is in the bath and justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: that guy spots him and he like sneaks in and Tuco shoots him, Blondie's justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: like, I would know the sound of that shot anywhere. And that that's like how he knows to leave to go find justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: Tuco. And you're like, wait. One Tuco justin: Ha ha ha. Zach: just broke out of, you know, union prison and got a gun from some random person, some random justin: Mm. Zach: place. He's not this not the gun, the last gun that that the goods saw, right? So justin: Yeah. Zach: it's like or that, you know, Blondie saw something like how does he he just knows the cadence of his shot? Like, well what are we talking about here? I'm justin: Yeah. Zach: like, all right. That's kind of silly. justin: Yeah. Zach: and then the last one I had. This is the biggest nitpick. And the movie is like full of it. And you just kind of accept it But like when they're walking together and they come across the Union camp, you know, justin: Mm. Zach: and they like talk to the captain, they're like, We're gonna enlist or whatever. But they're walking and they're like, you trust Duco, you trust him. He's like, We'll get you there, no problem. And then like the y soldiers come out of every direction and then they're thirteen feet from the entire camp of a thousand justin: Yeah. Zach: union soldiers. I'm like There's just the way they were standing at that moment, there's just no way they didn't see a thousand people all around them, right? It's like justin: Yeah. Zach: it just and it's the same thing with the an with Angel, right? He they're in the middle of the cemetery digging it, and Angel walks up from what? Three hundred justin: Who Zach: yards of half a mile away, right? Like you should be able justin: Yeah. Zach: to see him. He's just strolling up and he just they don't see him until they're on top of it. And there's justin: Yeah. Zach: several times in the movie where you're like, They are on top of whatever they're doing. justin: what's Blondie even calls out like when Tuco's gang sneaks up on him. He calls out that he hurt him because of their spurs. I mean they all Zach: Yeah. justin: they all wear spurs. There's no way that you yeah, you could sneak up on him from like football fields away. Zach: Yeah, no, it's it's it's you just go with it in the movie because it's like, this you know, it's twist, shock, surprise, whatever, right? You know, or humor or whatever they're using it for. But it's like, okay. Okay. justin: Mm. Yeah. This yeah, it is. It's just silly. But yeah I don't know, I hear you. It's it's it's silly but it's kind of funny in a way. yeah. Yeah. Zach: Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, it makes the movie more fun. It's definitely, you know, it's that suspension of disbelief and that you have to and you just let the movie wash over you and all that stuff. justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: Alright, I'm out of nitpix, you what do you got? Alright, justin: No, that's all I had to. Zach: good. Okay. So let's rate whether we think this movie is a classic. justin: Yeah. I think I I think like I said, for me, it was too long, but that's Zach: Mm. justin: just personal preference. I mean, I do think this movie is a classic. I there is a reason why if you've never seen this movie, you know so much about it already. From iconic imagery of Clint Eastwood wearing like a poncho with the hat and the scowl to you've heard the music. Even if you've never even if you don't know what this movie is, you know the music. and like the ending is just perfect. Pitch perfect in every way. yeah, I mean a and on top like if that wasn't enough, you throw on like just the gorgeous visuals and then the production value. I mean, yeah, I think it's absolutely a classic. It just just too long for me. But other than that, I think it's great. Zach: Yeah, I agree. I think the the visual of the end of the movie with you know their the the it's like wide shot, close up on their face, wide shot, down to the gun, back up to the face, down to the gun. And it's parodied a million times, but it's it's just so well done. And y it's cool because it it's got s what this movie does well. I think this is what so many modern movies get gets wrong justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: is this movie does not care about the battle itself, the fight itself. What this movie does is it cares about building tension to that moment. And the moment doesn't last long, right? They're not justin: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Zach: shooting, running around corners and things are blown up around them and shooting back and they're not having a big Marvel thirty minute battle. They're not having a, you justin: Yeah. Zach: know, whatever, right? Like This big long drawn out thing. Every battle or gunshot is quick. Like justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: the the longest is probably when they're walking through the town and they're taking out all the guys. justin: Yeah. Zach: when when Blondie and Tuco are taking out all the all of Angel Eyes' men. But other justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: than that, maybe that one scene 'cause this movie is pretty violent, but it's not justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: gratuitous in its violence. It's not over the top in its action. It builds tension. And I think that tension makes it so much more interesting. And when the moments do happen, when Blondie shoots spoiler alert, when Blondie shoots justin: Hm. Zach: Angel Eyes at the end of the movie, Angel Eyes dies, and Blondie had taken the bullets out of Tuco's gun, so if Tuco's gun doesn't even work, it's justin: Nice. Zach: like it happens in three seconds, but it was it's three seconds of action with like literally justin: Mm-hmm. Zach: five minutes of build up and music justin: Yeah. Zach: and swelling and faster and faster editing and all this stuff. It's just it's great at building tension and I that's what ages the best too for me too. Like it's just it's just so good at building tension. And justin: Mm. Yeah. Zach: it's surprisingly funny and I think it's a great movie. I loved it. I know you didn't aren't as aren't as hot on it as I am But I think this is an easy classic. It's like probably one of my favorite movies we've watched so far, easily, justin: Yeah. Zach: for this for this podcast. justin: Yeah, there is for anybody that hasn't seen it, there is a lot to like about this movie. If you haven't seen it. It's yeah, it's fun. Zach: All right. Well, that brings us to the end of our podcast. everyone, thank you so much for listening. If you wanna contact us, you can shoot us an email at popcorn and pals at gmail dot com. All lowercase all spelled out. And then we also have a YouTube channel, come check us out there. it's Popcorn and Pals Pod, there we just put the show up and we also do some shorts and things like that. So check us out there. but again, thank you so much for listening and keep popping that popcorn.