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FT BREAKING NEWS: Carlos Beltrán and Andruw Jones elected to HOF · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: FT breaking news. We have just learned that Carlos Peltron
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  Speaker 1: is a Hall of Famer. Scotty Brown, A. J. Perzinski,
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  Speaker 1: and Eric Kratz, let's talk about him. You guys both
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  Speaker 1: faced Carlos Beltron. So what was it like to face
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  Speaker 1: Carlos Beltron and how much does he deserve?
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  Speaker 2: This a lot.
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  Speaker 3: One of the greatest switch hitters I've ever seen played
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  Speaker 3: against Carlos since rookie ball all the way up right.
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  Speaker 2: So one of the greatest switch hitters I ever played against.
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  Speaker 3: Could hit, could hit for power, could steal bases, and
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  Speaker 3: was unbelievably clutch in big moments in the postseason. The
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  Speaker 3: run he had with the Houston Astros that year was
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  Speaker 3: one of the greatest runs, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the first go round with the Astros, the second
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  Speaker 1: and did everything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the second goal second round is something completely different.
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  Speaker 1: It held him back for a little bit of time here,
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  Speaker 1: But that's what fans want to hear from us. We'll
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  Speaker 1: get to it.
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  Speaker 2: He deserves to go in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Gokratz, no, his I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean, I just run now Again, I didn't play against
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  Speaker 4: him as long as AJ did, so AJ saw his peak,
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  Speaker 4: his prime. There's a few swings that I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know this guy's a switch hitter. Lance Berkman, you
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  Speaker 4: know he's a switch hitter, Chipper Jones. Switch hitter swings
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  Speaker 4: can be how they are, and those guys are the
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  Speaker 4: elite ones that I've ever seen. But to me, like,
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  Speaker 4: I just remember his left handed swing as a catcher
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  Speaker 4: sitting back there seeing the swing and you go, because
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  Speaker 4: you're always reading swings, and you go, man, it just
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  Speaker 4: always it just felt like his swing was in the
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  Speaker 4: zone the whole time, and you're like, this is the
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  Speaker 4: opportunity we're going to have to be able to get
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  Speaker 4: a ball in on him. Nope, And I mean he
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  Speaker 4: was still he was up there in age mid thirties,
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  Speaker 4: and it just it looks like a long swing. It's
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  Speaker 4: almost like Juan Soto swing in the sense that you're like,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't look like the fastest swing, but it's in this
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  Speaker 4: it's in the zone so long, and he hits the
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  Speaker 4: ball so flush and so square, and he gets to
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  Speaker 4: so many different pitches. It's just like he was one
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  Speaker 4: of those guys that really stood out to me for
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  Speaker 4: the years that I played against him.
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  Speaker 1: He had good runs with almost every team that he
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  Speaker 1: was part of Right. I mean, he did a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time with KC and then had some good moments
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  Speaker 1: with the Yankees.
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  Speaker 3: I just remember him Casey, they had him, Jermaine Died,
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  Speaker 3: Johnny Damon in the outfield.
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  Speaker 2: They were all young studs. They had Mike Sweeney, Joe Randa, the.
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  Speaker 3: Joker, they had, They had some good they had some
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  Speaker 3: good players, young players, and I was like, whoa, this
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  Speaker 3: is the big leagues.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 3: And then obviously Carlos moved on to multiple teams after that,
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  Speaker 3: but he did a nice job everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: People remember him in New York, both Mets and Yankees.
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  Speaker 1: He was.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, when you look at a Hall of Famer and
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  Speaker 3: you look at his numbers, say, this guy should be
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  Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. Okay, I mean he did everything.
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  Speaker 3: He performed in the postseason. He hit four hundred and
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  Speaker 3: thirty five home runs, almost had three thousand hits.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this guy was he got on bass.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, now, Mets fans also remember when Adam Wayne
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  Speaker 3: Right do him a three two.
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  Speaker 2: Curve ball and struck him out there one pitch.
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  Speaker 3: I know, but this dude had unbelievable run and that
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  Speaker 3: was one of the best pitch of all time.
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  Speaker 2: So Carlos beltch Un deserves being This isn't even an argument.
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  Speaker 3: And if we want to go to the twenty seventeen
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  Speaker 3: oh for a sec I mean, people say, oh, this
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  Speaker 3: is that, But.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lot of other people doing things at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, right right. I played on teams where
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  Speaker 2: guys were doing all kind nothing like that. Crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was always stuff going on.
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  Speaker 3: So you can't that that wasn't something you could hold
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  Speaker 3: against him because they were using the tools that they
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  Speaker 3: were allowed.
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  Speaker 1: Teams, and he was coming over from the Yankees, right, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: And I think there were some things going on there too.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not pointing out just the Yankees. It's the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 1: The Red Sox got caught with some stuff. There was
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  Speaker 1: a lot that was the sign stealing era, and the
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  Speaker 1: Astros took it too far and that changed a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things. But does that prevent a guy for his
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  Speaker 1: entire career from making it to the Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 1: Because if we're going to start getting that specific on everything,
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  Speaker 1: it gets really challenged.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: He was a ringleader. That was pretty much proven. He
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  Speaker 1: was a big part of it.
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  Speaker 2: He also lost his job as a manager because of it.
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  Speaker 1: He got punished.
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  Speaker 2: He's been punished.
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  Speaker 4: It means a matter if you think he was doing
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  Speaker 4: it other times, Like if you think he shouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: in because twenty seventeen wasn't his only year doing some
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  Speaker 4: type of scheme, I would say, look like, let's pump
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  Speaker 4: the brakes on that. Something that I think and I
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  Speaker 4: know from talking to guys that he was probably one
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  Speaker 4: of the best is picking tips up from pitchers. Not illegal,
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  Speaker 4: not illegal at all, picking things up. So what does
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  Speaker 4: that mean? It means he was a supremely talented hitter,
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  Speaker 4: but it also means he was paying attention to the game.
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  Speaker 4: He was trying to find little things. You talk to
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  Speaker 4: Alex Corer, you watch Alex Corer now as a manager
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  Speaker 4: on the bench, you know you'll see him like you'll
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  Speaker 4: see him look over. You'd be like, oh, it's probably
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  Speaker 4: a curveball here. Like guys are picking things up from pitchers.
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  Speaker 4: Carlos Beltron was from what I heard, one of the
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  Speaker 4: best at doing that. So did he go too far
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  Speaker 4: with the trash can thing? Yes? Does it exclude him
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  Speaker 4: from the Hall of Fame all the numbers that aj
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  Speaker 4: just pointed out, No, it does not exclude him from
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  Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: And there are some people that are like, well, he
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  Speaker 1: did a form of cheating and got caught. Steroid users
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  Speaker 1: did a form of cheating and got caught. I think
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  Speaker 1: we all agree at this point on this show that
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  Speaker 1: if you're caught after testing officially began and attempted to
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  Speaker 1: level the playing field, then that's a differentiator. There are
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  Speaker 1: some people that don't share that opinion, but I certainly do.
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  Speaker 1: I can see cases made before that, But once the
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  Speaker 1: testing and everything was put in place, and then you're
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  Speaker 1: still getting smacked with a ped band, the distrust does
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  Speaker 1: start to emerge. It's very greatly affecting one individual player,
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  Speaker 1: and for some people that's their line. I do think
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  Speaker 1: there's a line between a guy getting busted for royds
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  Speaker 1: and not knowing how long or what right, versus a
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  Speaker 1: guy being part of a big scandal and one of
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  Speaker 1: the ringleaders for one season and being punished for his
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  Speaker 1: entire career for that. Do you guys agree that it's
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  Speaker 1: two different categories in terms of how you judge a player.
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  Speaker 1: For the Hall of Fame, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and the trash can scandal thing for the astros,
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  Speaker 4: everybody needs to understand it wasn't happening on every pitch
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  Speaker 4: because there was teams who knew stuff was going on.
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  Speaker 4: The Astros were petitions were not petitions. Grievances were filed
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  Speaker 4: by other teams on the Astros during that season. Major
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  Speaker 4: League Baseball just turned the blind eye and was like, well,
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  Speaker 4: you guys are just mad because they're you know, they're
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  Speaker 4: doing things and you could be doing things too, Like
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  Speaker 4: this could have been taken care of during that season,
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  Speaker 4: and teams and players took care of it. That's why
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  Speaker 4: you'd see nine visits to the mound. You had to
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  Speaker 4: change your signs. You have to mix things up. If
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  Speaker 4: you mix things up and you switch it and it's
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  Speaker 4: hard to figure it out, kind of hard to tell
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  Speaker 4: somebody from a camera what's coming if or from a
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  Speaker 4: TV screen what's coming if you're constantly changing it up,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like, all right, it's fine. Steroids. Those dudes
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  Speaker 4: were using it every single pitch. There wasn't a pitch
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  Speaker 4: off that, there wasn't a game off that steroids weren't working.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know want this to turn into this argument,
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  Speaker 3: so I wonder, let's just gme back to Carlos congratulations,
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  Speaker 3: you deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. You're
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  Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. In that twenty seventeen year,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't even have a great year. So he won
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  Speaker 3: a World Series, but it was about the other years before.
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  Speaker 1: That, right in a great team year, but he didn't
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  Speaker 1: have a great individual year. That was the end of
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  Speaker 1: his career.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was last year.
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  Speaker 3: So listen, this is about Carlos belter On getting elected
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  Speaker 3: to the Hall of Fame. Congratulations, Carlos, you deserve it.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm going to be fascinating to see what hot
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of that's That's what I'm kind of gonna
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  Speaker 4: get at. Like what team will he choose? Do you
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  Speaker 4: guys remember that he was a Giant? I had no
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  Speaker 4: I completely forgot he played for the San Francisco Giants,
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  Speaker 4: and I feel like I'm to have locked into baseball,
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  Speaker 4: like understand when like this was the Eras twenty eleven.
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  Speaker 4: He played for the Giants. So for people who don't know,
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  Speaker 4: you can look up Baseball Reference. He went his first
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  Speaker 4: six years with the Kansas City Royals, crushed it Double
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  Speaker 4: Central in that turf. Then he went to Houston had
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  Speaker 4: just a ridiculous season. Then he I mean a ridiculous
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  Speaker 4: half a season. Then he signed with the Mets. Then
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  Speaker 4: he went to San Francisco for a tick, and after
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  Speaker 4: Wayne Wright struck him out, he's like, well, I'll go
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  Speaker 4: play for him with the Cardinals. So it'll be interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Who do aj Who do you remember Carlos beltron As
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  Speaker 4: and who he should go in as?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I mean to me, it's a Met, But I
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  Speaker 2: mean he was there the longest.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I remember him coming up with the Royals
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  Speaker 3: because again I played with, I played against him in
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  Speaker 3: the minor league, so I remember him more a royal guy.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that he's a Met. For me, he's
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  Speaker 2: a Met, He's a Met. That's a boy, He's a
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  Speaker 2: Royal just as long.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think. I just say there was more
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  Speaker 3: moments as a Met than as a Royal.
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  Speaker 1: It's close, though, No, in terms of his success with
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  Speaker 1: both teams, it's close. He had some really good seasons
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  Speaker 1: with KC. But I agree, I think he's going to
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  Speaker 1: choose New York. I was more in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: his career. That was the big contract I think he
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  Speaker 1: resonates more with New York. Although, hey, maybe he's pissed
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  Speaker 1: about what happened afterwards. Right he was going to be
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  Speaker 1: a manager. He was Maybe he says, I'm going with KC.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone would look at it and
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  Speaker 1: be like, well, you can't do that, you can't be
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  Speaker 1: a Royal. He might say, that's what launched my career,
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  Speaker 1: that's what was the foundation of me as a player.
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  Speaker 1: And if you look at my numbers, they were exceptional.
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  Speaker 1: With Kansas City in a similar amount of played appearances
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  Speaker 1: or a similar around of years at least that were locked.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, j did you feel like he was one of
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  Speaker 4: the more underrated players? Because I was coming up through
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  Speaker 4: the minor leagues, you were already in the big leagues.
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  Speaker 4: And when he was playing on the Royals, I just
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  Speaker 4: remember people year in a year out saying this, dude's
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  Speaker 4: really underrated. He didn't make his first All Star team
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  Speaker 4: tail he was twenty seven is last year with the Royals.
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  Speaker 4: Did you feel like he was underrated?
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  Speaker 2: No? I thought inside baseball we knew how good he was.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think that underrated was a thing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, people knew that. People that knew knew there
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  Speaker 2: was no underrated.
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  Speaker 3: Trust me, when you went into Kansas City and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we got Carlos Beltring coming up, you better be careful
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  Speaker 3: here because he'll whack one out. He had like that
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  Speaker 3: flat swing and he just whack one out there and
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  Speaker 3: you're like, right or left hand, it didn't matter. So
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  Speaker 3: and he made he made the outfield look easy. He
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  Speaker 3: was a center fielder at the time he was.
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  Speaker 2: It was good. He was a really good player.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing I'll point out that made him underrated
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  Speaker 1: he was quiet. Quiet. But also if you're inside baseball
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  Speaker 1: and you're watching the games every day, you know about him.
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  Speaker 1: The game was different back then too. It wasn't as
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  Speaker 1: easy in the late nineties and early two thousands to say,
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  Speaker 1: catch a Royals game, right, especially how many times would
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  Speaker 1: they be put on national television? Not a ton. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So if you're a fan of another team and you're
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  Speaker 1: not following the Royals very closely, and you just look
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  Speaker 1: at his counting stats, which were a much bigger deal
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  Speaker 1: back then, right, and you're like, okay, like got good
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  Speaker 1: homer totals, but they're not crazy. Well, now we factor
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City's Ballpark into things a lot more than we
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  Speaker 1: did back then. We factor in, or at least we
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  Speaker 1: try to factor in defense and base running and all
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  Speaker 1: of these things. With statistics. We didn't have that. So
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  Speaker 1: I think if you watch the game, you'd be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's a stud, he's a superstar. But if you
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  Speaker 1: did it and you looked at his stats, right, so
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  Speaker 1: let's say his two thousand and one season with Kansas City,
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, three oh six, twenty four, one
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  Speaker 1: oh one, it's really solid, but it's not. It's not
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  Speaker 1: forty something homers and you might not be watching his
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  Speaker 1: defense and have any grades for defense. But nowadays it's
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  Speaker 1: like six and a half win player. Defensive Metrics loved him.
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  Speaker 1: Ops plus was one twenty three that year, so stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that. But anyway, congratulations to Carlos Beltrod and you're
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  Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Andrew Jones owed it into the
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. What took so long? The dude put
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  Speaker 1: together a superstar career. He was so good for a
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  Speaker 1: long period of time during the beginning of his career.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he gets punished for the end of his career.
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  Speaker 1: But now they figured it out, So congratulations to Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: And you got to watch a little bit of Andrew
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  Speaker 1: Jones and see how freaking ridiculously good he was.
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  Speaker 3: I got to play with Andrew with the White Sox
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  Speaker 3: towards the end of his career, and he was a
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  Speaker 3: great dude.
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  Speaker 2: He was a great teammate. He was fun as hell
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  Speaker 2: to play with.
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  Speaker 3: And his numbers weren't as great as they were when
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  Speaker 3: I was a Braves fan coming up and getting to
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  Speaker 3: watch him when he was a nineteen year old in
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  Speaker 3: the World Series, hitting homers and making over the over
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  Speaker 3: the wall catches.
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  Speaker 2: But this is a well deserved honor.
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  Speaker 3: Ten Gold Gloves, five All Star Games, a home run Championship,
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  Speaker 3: never won that World Series. It's probably the one thing
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  Speaker 3: he looks back on him says Dang, I wish I
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  Speaker 3: would have got that World Series. But he deserves to
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  Speaker 3: be in the Hall of Fame with his numbers and
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  Speaker 3: with that ten year period where he was absolutely elite.
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  Speaker 4: So cool in an era when like Griffy was before
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  Speaker 4: him and he was cool and smooth. You're like, I'm
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  Speaker 4: growing up a right handed hitter. It's like, I'll never
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  Speaker 4: be that cool. And then Andrew Jones came up. Little
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  Speaker 4: did I know in ninety six when he came up,
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  Speaker 4: he was only three years older than me and I
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  Speaker 4: was still just in high school trying to make my
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  Speaker 4: varsity team. But you'd watch him and he played for
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  Speaker 4: the Braves. I love the Phillies as a kid, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, why do I like this guy
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  Speaker 4: so much? Like everything he did was so smooth. His
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  Speaker 4: swing to be able to come up in the World
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  Speaker 4: Series at nineteen and do what he did put him
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  Speaker 4: on the map for me. And seeing him at the
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  Speaker 4: end of his career, the one thing that stayed the same,
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  Speaker 4: and it's something that is endearing to I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of Braves fans is that that just same every
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  Speaker 4: day smile. It looked like he enjoyed the game, and
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  Speaker 4: oh yeah, he was the best center fielder to play
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  Speaker 4: during his era. Some believe possibly one of the top
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  Speaker 4: two or three to ever play the game. And these
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  Speaker 4: are the pitchers that pitched in front of him and
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  Speaker 4: have enjoyed their Hall of Fame careers because he would
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  Speaker 4: go and get it for him.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Small, Clavin Maddox incredible pitchers, but certainly didn't
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: hurt to have Andrew Jones out there in centerfield, and
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: they speak about him to the highest level. Right, I mean,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: I spent a lot of.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Time he played so shallow. He was so great at
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: going back on balls.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: He played very shallow and took away a lot of
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: those singles in front of him. It was one of
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: the best diving catchers I've ever seen, where he could
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: dive and make make LOOKIZI had a good arm. Could
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: steal bases when he was younger too. People forget that
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: he could steal bases when he was younger. So I
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: mean this, I don't know why it took so long.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: He started out with like eight under eight percent, barely
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: stayed on the ballot.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: This was his ninth year.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Now, in his ninth year he got in. So congratulations, Andrew.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: You only got ten years on the ballot, right, He
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: was not getting love early on. And then it's this slow,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: steady rise.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: No, it was like slow boomb and then a huge jump. Yeah.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: It's just crazy to look back and be like, if
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: this is not a gold standard Hall of Fame center fielder,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: what are you looking for at that position? And it
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: is an incredibly difficult position. It is a position that
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: wears you down right centerfield versus left and right. M hm,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: that one's easy. We always see guys they can't. How
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: many guys nowadays make it through their career just in
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: centerfield right, they always drop off, and I think teams
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: are actually dropping them off sooner than ever. Right, that's
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: a young man's game out there, and it usually leads
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: to more wear and tear and to injuries. So for Andrew,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: you saw that late in his career, and it's not
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: like he was terrible, like he was still hitting.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: He was still hitting a lot of dinger. That's a
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: lot of dingers to hit in one career. And I
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: talked to somebody with a Braves organization that ended up
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: shifting over to the Royals, but they were there during
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: Andrew Jones time. And Andrew Jones played before shifts, and
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: they said because of where he could play, it was
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: like one of the original in the sense that they
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: could push their opposite field outfielder to the line where
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: those doubles that their Hall of Fame pitchers would give
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: up because it was like, oh, this guy was able
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: to like go out and touch a really good pitch.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: They didn't care if the ball got blasted to the gaps.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Why Because Andrew Jones went and got it. And I
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: truly believe somebody told me this that they think if
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: they had the cameras and all the like biometric scanning things,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: that his range would have actually given him a higher
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: war than it actually got because now you have, you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: you have the radius that you're able to play, and
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: when you play shallow and you still cover so much ground,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: your points go way way up, And they think he
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: would have actually had a higher war, higher outs above
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: average or whatever the other metric is that they use
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: for defense.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: There are some guys where now we're looking at like
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: seven year peak, I mean hit it ten year run.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: So that's why I just had a hard time understanding
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: where some voters were, and I never really got the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: answers I was looking for when I would debate Andrew,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: because I've been debating his case for a long time.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: At this point, I'm like, what am I missing? Right,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: the numbers are hitting the eye test that worked. The
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: eye test worked back then. Right for defense, you were like,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: this is the best defensive center fielder. I know you've
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: talked also about Tory Hunter, and maybe this helps open
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: up the door for Tory hunter, which is important.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: It is important one player that gets in helps out
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: other players, much like sal salaries. One player helps other players.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I think the media does help here. Obviously I'm biased,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: but it does help to state cases for players. I
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: think the media was starting to politely shame people into
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: voting for Andrew Jones, like why right, state your case?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Present it, let me see an article about it. And
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: maybe that happens here with Tory, where you're like, why
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you state the case every year? And say Andrew got in.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Tory's got a lot of comps. Let's try and get
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: him into. The Hall's too small for certain positions for sure,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: right agree, I would say it's center field, third base,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: and catcher. Those are the three where you're like, you
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: gotta give more love there, and.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: The catcher to me is the one. But that's a
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: whole different argument because it's such a you don't get
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: to play, you don't get the number stats because you
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: don't get to play one hundred and fifty five games year.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: If you get one hundred and twenty five, you've had
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: a lot, especially now they've cut it down to like
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: one hundred is the max. So it's really hard and
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to take a look at some other
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: guys in their numbers.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why it's tough. Those are two premium positions. Defensively,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: then should be getting a lot more love. Shortstop gets
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the love the other two don't write. If you're looking
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: at importance, it's catcher one, shortstop two, center field three.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Everyone builds their team up the middle. They want to
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: build the team up the middle. So congratulations Andrew. Actually,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: you know, I forget you. I'm not calling you Andrew
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: congratulations fruitcake like you used to call everybody congratulations. Fruit
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: He got into the Hall of Fame. Now when I
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: see you, I'm gonna have to actually respect you. So
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: congratulations Andrew.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: The whole, the whole like wearing wearing down, like centerfielder
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: was wearing down. Like guys not guy. These guys are
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: not all on the same level. They're all on their
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: own individual level. You think about Andrew Jones wearing down,
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: you think about like a Grady Sizemore was having an
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: incredible year. He wore down Ken Griffey Jr. Was going
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: to be the greatest player of all time. He was
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: gonna break Hall of he was gonna break home run
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: records for your careers, and he started to break down.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Mike Trout, you've seen what's happened all Hall of Fame.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying great Sizemore is. I'm just saying that
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: the position is not for dudes that get into their
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: mid thirties and for it got you like you have
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: to kind of look at it differently. This guy burst
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: onto the scene and did not skip a beat. There
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: is so many blue icons on the right side of
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: his on the on the right side of his stat sheet,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: it is kind of hilarious.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Wow, now he'll get even more love. We'll see in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Cooper's town. Andrew, congratulations,