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Video spots girl leaving school, never seen again: What happened to Shayna? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: A sixteen year old little girl just scrubbed in Sunshine.
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  Speaker 1: Last scene, leaving school as she always does, She's caught
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  Speaker 1: on surveillance video walking away from school and heading to
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  Speaker 1: her favorite spot, the coffee cup, the local coffee shop,
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  Speaker 1: texting away like every other sixteen year old girl, and
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  Speaker 1: then somehow everything goes sideways. In Shana ret Holler seemingly
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  Speaker 1: vanishes into thin air. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Shana
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  Speaker 1: Retaller leave school, serve elens cameras show that she walks
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  Speaker 1: toward her favorite coffee shop, the coffee Cup, texting away,
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  Speaker 1: not looking at anything going on around her, and then
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  Speaker 1: goes missing. I mean, see Grace, this is Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to break it down
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  Speaker 1: and put it back together again. When I say that,
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  Speaker 1: I think of someone breaking down a car. I don't
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  Speaker 1: mean in the chop shop sort of way where you
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  Speaker 1: never can trace it again. I mean literally taking the
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  Speaker 1: case apart, bit by bit, word by word, polishing it
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  Speaker 1: and then putting it back together again so suddenly it
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  Speaker 1: all makes sense and the car runs perfectly. With me.
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  Speaker 1: Mark Eyeglash, renowned defense attorney Mark What's the name of
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  Speaker 1: psycho analyst to the Stars, Joining Me out of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 1: You can find at doctor Bethany Marshall on Insta. Cloyd
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  Speaker 1: Steiger thirty six years Seattle PD twenty two of that
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  Speaker 1: in homicide and author Seattle's Forgotten Serial Killer. Gary gen
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  Speaker 1: Grant Cloyd Steiger dot com, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. If that
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  Speaker 1: know what does. Blood Beneath my Feet and Joining Me
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  Speaker 1: right now? Crimoline dot com investigative reporter Sierra Gillespie. But
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  Speaker 1: first take a listen to crimolines. Dave Mack. Wyoming police
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  Speaker 1: release information on a missing girl in Black Hills area.
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  Speaker 1: They say that Shane or Ridhaller, age sixteen, could be
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  Speaker 1: traveling on foot in the area of Sturges or Deadwood,
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  Speaker 1: possibly with her hair dyed. Black Police say students from
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  Speaker 1: Morcroft High School reported seeing Ridhaller missing after open lunch
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  Speaker 1: at the school. Surveillance video showed the sixteen year old
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  Speaker 1: walking towards the coffee cup a local shop and apparently texting. Then,
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  Speaker 1: at twelve thirty six, two things happen. Police say her
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  Speaker 1: phone is deactivated, its last location is in Morcroft. Her
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  Speaker 1: social media accounts become inactive. She also does not get
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  Speaker 1: in touch again with family or friends. Also at twelve
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  Speaker 1: thirty six, the video footage shows a gray two door
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four jeep Cherokee arriving. Ridhaller gets into the
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  Speaker 1: vehicle on the passenger side and it drives off tied.
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  Speaker 1: To absorb all of the details I just heard, because
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  Speaker 1: every single one of them makes a difference in this case.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, here's my big question. What is open lunch?
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  Speaker 1: Her friends at schools say she goes missing after open lunch,
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  Speaker 1: and I take that to mean you can leave campus
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  Speaker 1: or wander around at will during a lunchtime, but you
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  Speaker 1: have to come back. I've never experienced, is that right, Jackie?
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  Speaker 1: How do you know that your son out open lunch? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I've never been familiar with the school that allows the
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  Speaker 1: students to wander on and off campus at lunchtime. Until
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  Speaker 1: you're in college, seniors get to do it. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that she's a senior. She's just sixteen. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: she is. Guys, this girl, just precious. Shana Ritthaller, just
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  Speaker 1: sixteen years old, goes missing during open lunch. I've seen
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  Speaker 1: walking toward a coffee shop, you know, doctor Bethany Marshall.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. At sixteen, I would no, I
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  Speaker 1: would never have dreamed of leaving the school at lunchtime,
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  Speaker 1: wandering off downtown, but there it was acceptable. Can't you
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  Speaker 1: just see her just walking along, texting away, doctor Bethany.
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  Speaker 1: At that time of life, you're worried about are you
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  Speaker 1: going to graduate? Are you going to get to go
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  Speaker 1: to college or get a job, what's happening next. You're
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  Speaker 1: probably all wrapped up and the politics and the social
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  Speaker 1: drama happening in high school. When not a thought in
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  Speaker 1: the world to going missing, Nancy, A couple of thoughts
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  Speaker 1: come to mind. First of all, at sixteen years of age,
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  Speaker 1: it's just on the cusp of still getting your parents'
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  Speaker 1: permission to do anything that's outside the normal routine. So normally,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, I think a sixteen year old would say
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  Speaker 1: to the parents, Hey, you know I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: a friend for lunch today. We have open lunch. Do
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  Speaker 1: you mind if I go to the coffee shop so
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  Speaker 1: that the parents would at least know something. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's unusual for a young girl this age to go
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  Speaker 1: to the coffee shop on their own. At sixteen years
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  Speaker 1: of age, you are beginning to separate from your parents psychologically,
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  Speaker 1: even though you're still getting their permission to do everything.
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  Speaker 1: So you're sort of rebelling from your parents a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But bonding to your friends. Your friends are everything. You're texting,
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  Speaker 1: your calling, You're spending hours on the phone with them.
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  Speaker 1: So the fact that she went to this coffee shop alone,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a little curious. A third saying Nancy
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  Speaker 1: is she's beautiful, and she's so young. I'm looking at
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  Speaker 1: her picture. She kind of looks like a little girl.
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  Speaker 1: She looks a little younger than sixteen years of age,
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  Speaker 1: although I know that no two sixteen year olds look alike, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but she looks very sweet and very naive. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: like somebody who is all these pictures we see on
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  Speaker 1: Instagram and social media, these teens with the fake eyelashes
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  Speaker 1: and the dyed hair and long earrings, and they're all
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  Speaker 1: trying to look like the Kardashians. That was not this girl.
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  Speaker 1: This is a sweet little girl with no makeup, plane faced,
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  Speaker 1: plain clothing, just probably minding her own business. Two sire
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  Speaker 1: at Glaspie joining mecrime online dot Com investigative reporter Sierra.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about the location, the town, the city, the area, rural, suburban, urban?
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  Speaker 1: What can you tell me? She was in more Croft, Wyoming,
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  Speaker 1: So I know, stereotypically when we think of those state
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  Speaker 1: out west, they are a bit smaller. But it was
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  Speaker 1: about an hour away from Sturgis, South Dakota, which is
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  Speaker 1: a relatively large town. But again it's nothing huge. So
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  Speaker 1: we do know that this girl is a small town
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  Speaker 1: girl anywhere out there in Wyoming. She's definitely a small
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  Speaker 1: town girl, small town girl, Wyoming. Nancy. They'll jump in, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I don't. That's why I don't think there's
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  Speaker 1: leaving for lunch is such a big deal. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: granted was back in the stone age when I did it,
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  Speaker 1: but we're talking ninth graders to twelfth graders. At Miami
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  Speaker 1: Beach Senior High School, we lived literally for lunch because
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  Speaker 1: we didn't want to be stuck with the lunch lady
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  Speaker 1: with the warton and the sloppy Joe and we went,
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  Speaker 1: you know, here and there. I was just gonna make
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  Speaker 1: sloppy jas tonight. Which one was sloppy Joe? You did good?
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  Speaker 1: Sloppy please? You know. But if you're talking about what
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  Speaker 1: a small town and whelming no big deal goes down
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  Speaker 1: the street to the coffee shop, te, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: see anything nefarious or unusual about that. Agree, agree? Although
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  Speaker 1: she did go missing, so I mean maybe you think
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  Speaker 1: that's normal too, Mark all right, eye glarsh and you're
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  Speaker 1: criminal fans crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys talking about
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  Speaker 1: let me refresh you the disappearance of a sixteen year
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  Speaker 1: old girl, Shana rith Haaller, who just simply goes out
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  Speaker 1: to lunch, to have open lunch there in her high school.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friend Dave Matt Crime Online.
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  Speaker 1: Following leads on the jeep Cherokee that picked up Shane
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  Speaker 1: or Ridthaller leads more Craft officers to the Deadwood area
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  Speaker 1: of South Dakota. They discovered the jeep belongs to the
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  Speaker 1: mother of seventeen year old Michael Gavin Campbell. In talking
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  Speaker 1: with family police learned Campbell and Ridhaller had met online
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  Speaker 1: through a dating site called Baidoux. The two talked online
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  Speaker 1: for several weeks, and at some point they planned to
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  Speaker 1: meet and she was going to run away and live
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  Speaker 1: with him in his house, but they argued. Through their investigation,
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  Speaker 1: police located Campbell's jeep and made contact with the teen
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  Speaker 1: on October sixth Ridhaller was not with him. Guys, it's
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  Speaker 1: just such an ideal at whirl at age sixteen, when
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about running away with someone and living with them,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Doctor Bethany Marshall. I was at home in
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  Speaker 1: Macon friend for some reason. Oh, I was trying to
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  Speaker 1: find something for Lucy and my old closet in my
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  Speaker 1: old bedroom, and I found in there a picture drawn
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  Speaker 1: on notebrook paper of Mike from my high school boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: who drew the farm that we were going to live
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  Speaker 1: in in the house and the trees and everything. Was
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  Speaker 1: there a little piece of notebook paper where we were
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  Speaker 1: going to live one day when we ran away together
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  Speaker 1: and got married. So that's not that uncommon. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's a little delayed. I mean, I think for
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  Speaker 1: like twelve or thirteen, you might think you're going to
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  Speaker 1: run away pay Drew and not me. But I okay,
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  Speaker 1: I did keep it obviously. I guess this speaks too,
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  Speaker 1: in my mind to her being very young, vulnerable, in naive.
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  Speaker 1: If she thought that she was going to meet somebody
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  Speaker 1: and live with him, and she had all these hopes
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  Speaker 1: and dreams, it tells me that this was a very
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  Speaker 1: sheltered young woman, and developmentally she was still daydreaming about
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  Speaker 1: her dream guy and her dream man, and that her
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  Speaker 1: fantasies out face out excuse me, her fantasies outpaced her
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  Speaker 1: capacity to think about the reality of the world around her. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe this is a young woman who hasn't
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  Speaker 1: watched a lot of TV, hasn't watched a lot of
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  Speaker 1: crime stories. Maybe has a really good family, Her friends
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  Speaker 1: are good, she doesn't not a part of a mean
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  Speaker 1: girl group. So if she has a positive fantasy, there's
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  Speaker 1: no way anyone could poke a hole in it. She
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  Speaker 1: just imagines that if she thinks it's gonna be good,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be good, and she's not filling in all
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  Speaker 1: of the details. Do you know when you go on
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  Speaker 1: a date with somebody, you know, we have the phrase, hey,
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  Speaker 1: he looks good on paper, and what that means is
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  Speaker 1: we have a cognizance that everything looks good on the surface,
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  Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean it's all going to stack up
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  Speaker 1: when you get to know that person better. At sixteen
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  Speaker 1: years of age, she wasn't thinking in that developmentally mature
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  Speaker 1: way yet. Sierra Glaskie Crime online dot com. Let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you a question about this her valance video. What
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  Speaker 1: exactly does it show? So this is pretty basic. We
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  Speaker 1: see her as many teenagers texting on her phone. Like
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  Speaker 1: you said before, she's not even looking up, and I
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of kids are like that once you're
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  Speaker 1: on your phone. So we're not so exactly who she
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  Speaker 1: was talking to you at the time, but clearly it
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  Speaker 1: was very intense. So we see her she left school
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  Speaker 1: and then she was at that coffee shop, and that
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  Speaker 1: is also where witnesses say they saw her get into
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  Speaker 1: that other vehicle. Okay, let's talk about a search for
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  Speaker 1: a vehicle. To Cloyd Steiger, thirty six year Seattle PD,
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  Speaker 1: twenty two years homicide and author of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer,
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  Speaker 1: Gary Jane Grant at Kloyd Steiger dot com. Cloyd, there
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  Speaker 1: are believe it or not, and I realized this the
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  Speaker 1: first time I went to APD Atlanta Police Department. Whole
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  Speaker 1: divisions regarding car theft. And there's a science to identifying
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  Speaker 1: a car. You don't have to have the tag number,
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  Speaker 1: although that really helps. But every year we were just
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  Speaker 1: looking for a minivan, ours was well over one hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand miles. Every year, something changes on a car, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: the tail lights. There may be three circles instead of four,
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  Speaker 1: or they may be slanted upwards, or there may be
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  Speaker 1: one big light across the back. Everything. There's a subtle change,
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  Speaker 1: a subtle but important change to a vehicle every year.
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  Speaker 1: And that is how experts like cops can say, oh
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  Speaker 1: that's a Saturn, that's a two thousand and twelve or
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  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen Saturn because they know the subtle but distinctive
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  Speaker 1: changes in a car every year. So it's easy. Once
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  Speaker 1: you see the vehicle, you get the caller, you get
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  Speaker 1: the make, you get the model, and you can determine
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  Speaker 1: even the year. At my right, Chloyd, You're exactly right, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: It brings the mind a case. I had a pretty
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  Speaker 1: high profile case up in the in Seattle where we
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  Speaker 1: had a video of a car take an unsurveillance video.
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  Speaker 1: And we went to a Junkyard dealer one hundred miles
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  Speaker 1: away because everybody said he's the guy. And he marked
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  Speaker 1: calipers and all this stuff, and he said this car
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  Speaker 1: is a and he named the car. It was a
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  Speaker 1: relatively unusual car. He said eighty to eighty one. And
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  Speaker 1: when we got the guy, he was exactly right. So that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that really changed the whole case because they're
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  Speaker 1: just invaluable. Uh, you got to look out for experts
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  Speaker 1: outside the police department, think outside the box. Go to
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  Speaker 1: people who would know cars. Yeah, you said, he used
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  Speaker 1: of what calipers you know to measure and so he
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  Speaker 1: had he liked any expert would do to measure anything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: very good. And Joe Scott Morgan Professor Forensics, Jason will
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  Speaker 1: Say University, Joe Scott. Another issue is very often you
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  Speaker 1: can see the vehicle. But as Sierra Gillespie just told us,
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  Speaker 1: it was very rudimentary surveillance video. I bet they couldn't
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  Speaker 1: make out the tag. And I always say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: NASA can learn a thing or two from Target because
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  Speaker 1: they have incredible surveillance video. I'll never forget top Mom
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  Speaker 1: Casey Anthony in her push up bra going through the
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  Speaker 1: line at Target, as I recall, get it wasn't at
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  Speaker 1: Target getting beer and laws er, I oh, with a
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  Speaker 1: four check of her friends. I mean you could practically
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  Speaker 1: make out each individual cap out of her mouth. This
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  Speaker 1: such great surveillance video. And I always wonder why isn't
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  Speaker 1: that soop standard operating procedure, because so often you can't
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  Speaker 1: get the tag number. No, you can't. And a lot
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  Speaker 1: of this goes to, you know, the quality of which
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  Speaker 1: of what the CCTV equipment actually that's being used. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: every cloud's kind of silver lining. You know, if you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have the CCTV footage that they do have, you
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have anything, all right, So we have to be
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  Speaker 1: thankful the fact that we can actually visualize what we
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  Speaker 1: can see. Sometimes they can digitally enhance the stuff. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of it depends upon the angle of the camera too.
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  Speaker 1: You can have a great profile shot, but the camera
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  Speaker 1: is not panning left or right, moving left or right,
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  Speaker 1: you might not catch the tag as it's driving away.
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  Speaker 1: You might not see specific damage to the front end
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  Speaker 1: of the vehicle. And it's only after you find the
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  Speaker 1: vehicle that you can kind of tie these things back together.
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  Speaker 1: That's why it's very important and it's actually profitable the
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  Speaker 1: fact that we have an initial description of the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: When you just said damage to the vehicle, Remember that
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  Speaker 1: is how they caught the alleged killer of the jogger,
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  Speaker 1: Molly Tibbots. Yes, and home surveillance video you'd see her
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  Speaker 1: jogging by, and you would see a vehicle going back
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  Speaker 1: and forth and back and forth at the same time
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  Speaker 1: she was jogging, and they saw identifiable marks or scrapes
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  Speaker 1: down the side of his vehicle. That's how they found
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle, and that's how they found him. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: you have specific tiebacks, you know, this goes to specific
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  Speaker 1: It's something in forensics that we refer to as individualization.
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  Speaker 1: That is, whether it's a firearm or whether it's a
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  Speaker 1: tool mark on a bone, or whether it's an image,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like an image of a vehicle. You can
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  Speaker 1: have say we can have three specific Chevy vehicles that
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  Speaker 1: have been owned by three different people. Well, those three
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  Speaker 1: different people are going to treat that vehicle completely different,
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  Speaker 1: and so there's going to be damage to some and
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  Speaker 1: there might not be any damage to others. They might
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  Speaker 1: store them outside, they might store them inside. Hey, there
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  Speaker 1: might have been a tornado with hail that fell and
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  Speaker 1: it damaged that particular vehicle. So that goes to individualization.
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  Speaker 1: And so for police and investigators that are looking at
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  Speaker 1: these images, we're going to try something that has a
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  Speaker 1: specific try to find something that has a specific tie back,
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  Speaker 1: and in this particular case, that's what they would be
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  Speaker 1: looking tie back. Why do you keep saying tie back?
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  Speaker 1: What is tie back in your mind? Joe's got the
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  Speaker 1: tie back here is for instance, if an individual, let's
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  Speaker 1: say the guy has a history of taking a vehicle
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  Speaker 1: off road, all right, he goes over specific surfaces, he
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  Speaker 1: goes he goes through the wood right, stop with the
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  Speaker 1: imaginary the imaginary bogging. Yeah, okay, you're saying tie back
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  Speaker 1: means something about that vehicle ties back to the person
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  Speaker 1: that's unique to the vehicle and the person. You're absolutely
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  Speaker 1: right now, I get what you're saying. Guys were talking
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  Speaker 1: about the appearance of a precious little sixteen year old girl,
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  Speaker 1: Shana Ritthaller. She goes out to the coffee cup for
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  Speaker 1: a lunch and it's never seen again. She goes missing.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about a vehicle that she's seen getting into.
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  Speaker 1: Who owns it? Why did she get into it? Well,
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  Speaker 1: because of all the things that Cloyd Steiger and Mark
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  Speaker 1: Eyeglarsh and Jessica Morgan are saying, they tie it back
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  Speaker 1: to another team. Michael Campbell, seventeen year old of South Dakota.
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  Speaker 1: They go, they find him. He's there at home where
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  Speaker 1: he lives with his family. He goes, yes, we met
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  Speaker 1: on an online dating site. We fussed, and she left
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Green Shana Grithaller. She goes out
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  Speaker 1: to the coffee Cup for lunch and it's never seen again.
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  Speaker 1: She goes missing. We're talking about a vehicle that she's
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  Speaker 1: seen getting into. Who owns it? Why did she get
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  Speaker 1: into it? Well, because of all the things that Cloyd
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  Speaker 1: Steiger and Mark Eyeglarsh and Jessicatt Morgan are saying, they
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  Speaker 1: tie it back to another team. Michael Campbell, seventeen year
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  Speaker 1: old of South Dakota. They go, they find him. He's
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  Speaker 1: there at home where he lives with his family. He goes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: we met on an online dating site. We fust and
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  Speaker 1: she left to Sierra Gillespie tell me about the online
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  Speaker 1: dating site that they met where they met? So they
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  Speaker 1: met on the online dating site called the Doctor Russian.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Look at it looks like, why do you kids in
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: South Dakota have to be on a Russian dating website?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Help me out, Siera. I know it is kind of
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: crazy because I was looking into it today because usually
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: you hear things about kids who are on Tinder or
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: if they're on Bubble or things like that. This site
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I had never even I'm looking at it right now.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now, Sierra Gillespie. And it
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: says four hundred seventy three million, three hundred forty four thousand,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventy nine people. What was that say,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Jack have already already joined? Jump in, Jump in. And
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: it's just a very plain sight. It's just a white
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: screen with purple around it says Badu on the top.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: You don't see couples walking along hand in hand. What
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: happens after you join? I'm very curious, Sierrah. Yeah, so
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I guess you meet up with people who you're interested in,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: probably something like all the other dating sites are out there.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think that it's specifically aimed at like hooking up,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: like how some are aimed at just you know, hooking up.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: This I think is more of you eating Go ahead
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and say it. You mean sex like tender or a a grinder. Okay,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: So this is more a lot of the plenty of
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: fish genre? Is that which telling me? Yeah, okay, what
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: more do we know about that day? Because now we
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: know she's last seen in this vehicle, we know that
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: she was seen in his vehicle. She's texting, and so
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: she has been seen with this kid that we know
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: that she's been talking to for about, I don't know,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: several weeks. One thing I think is very important about
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: this is this boy's seventeen years old, which tas sounds
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: like nothing, but to her, she's a sixteen year old,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: and that's an older boy. So that if I'm putting
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: myself back in my shoes as a sixteen year old, wow,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: that's awesome. An older boys taking a look at me,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that's great. So I think that's something we should consider
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: as well. The fact that he's a year older. Obviously
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: they did not go to school together, so doctor Bethany Marshall,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: that puts it in a whole another genre. She's dating
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the older guy from another school. What's the dynamic. Well,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: obviously he wants anonymity, so he has chosen a website
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that maybe gamers would have acts. I'm sorry, at dating
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: site that is so unknown it's in Russia, and that
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: perhaps his parents wouldn't know about it. Maybe he's a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: part of a gaming community that ties into that particular
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: online community. But he's already under the shroud of anonymity
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: because he's gone outside of his school and he has
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: gone on to a dating site, so called dating site
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that nobody has ever heard of. So it makes me
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: end it's all online. He's never met this girl before.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: As I'm looking through all the reports. It's not like
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: they shared the same location for a prom, or they
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: had football games at a similar stadium. Maybe his football
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: team from his school played against her football team, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: so they met up at games and they got to
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: know each other. He did this all online, and it
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: makes me suspicious of him because you know, so many
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: men groom women online. They gain the woman's trust, they
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: make the woman feel special. Then they start to alienate
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the young woman from family and friends. They tell the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: young woman, hey, I understand you, nobody else does. I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: can free you from your parents. Don't you feel your
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: parents are being mean and abusive? And they slowly gain
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: mental control over the victim through these means. So you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: it's tempting to think of this as oh, high school
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: or is a seventeen year old and a sixteen year old,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: But we know even the most common age of a
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: child molester as age thirteen. Did you know that that
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: thirteen year olds can be pedophiles and molesters, So a
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: seventeen year old can certainly groom a victim. It's interesting
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: that you said that because, as a matter of fact,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Campbell and Michael Campbell and Shana Rittholler had been communicating
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: online for quite some time, but this was the first
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: time that actually met that fitzhanding love and what you
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: just said, doctor Bethany, Well, so it tells me again
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: that he targeted her. He was alienating her from her
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: friends in her community, he was gaining her trust and
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: boy building big dreams. Nancy, do you remember I'll be
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: covered a story about maybe six months ago of an
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: eleven year old who got in a car and drove
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: like two hundred miles because he thought he was going
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to go and live with an older man. He pulls
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: into a parking lot of I think a jack in
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the box and fortunately, right next to a police officer
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: who asks him where he's going, and he says, Hey,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I met someone online and I'm going to go live
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: with him just eleven years old. Now we have sixteen
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: years old only five years older, and you potentially have
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the same dynamic where she thinks she's going to live
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: with this guy whom she has never even met. Guys
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the disappearance of this young girl, a teen girl. He
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: simply goes out for open launch at school, shot community
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and then takes a sudden twist. Take a listen to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: our frenzy k E l O. Mead County Sheriff Ron
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Merwin says someone shot Shana Ritthhaller once in the head.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Seventeen year old Michael Campbell is facing a second degree
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: murder charge in her death. Prosecutors say he shot Ritthaller
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: during an argument. Someone found the girl's body in the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: basement of his house. Merwin says Campbell isn't cooperating with investigators,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: but they believe he drove to Writthaller's hometown of Moorcroft,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Wyoming to pick her up. Detectives are still trying to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: figure out how the two met. This young girl shot dead,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: found in the teen boy Michael Campbell's basement. You hear
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: reports that somebody found her in the basement. You know
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: it was probably his mom. Can you imagine finding a
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: body in the base basement to Chloyd Steiger or thirty
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: six years Seattle PD author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Jean Grant, Why is it that's so often we find
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the body's hidden in the basement. It's almost a cliche,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: it is, But you know that that goes to the
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: immaturity of this kid, or the not picking straight or
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: knowing what to do. He had this body stuck. He
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: had no idea what to do with it, so he
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: just took it down to his basement and figured, probably
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I'll deal with it later or something, because I mean,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it's going to be found because again it's going to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: start stinking pretty soon, and or his mother has access
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to the basement. So he's very unsophisticated a criminal in
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: this case. Well, also, I think it's significant that she's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: found in a basement bedroom, So I'm betting you anything.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: He brings her home, she does not suspect a thing.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: They go down stairs, he was to show her the house.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: They get an abasement he makes advances, she fights back,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: and she ends up shot dead. Crime Stories with Nancy
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Grace guys at sixteen year old little girl Shana Ritthhall
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: are dead joining me crime online dot com inist to
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: get a reporter Sierra. This is, as I understand it,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the first time the two had ever met in person. Yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I know, isn't that pretty crazy? They had been talking
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: for several weeks online and this was the first time
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: that they met when they met up at that coffee
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: shop and then he took her back to his home
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: in South Dakota, so they truly hadn't even known each
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: other that long. They'd actually been talking longer like online,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: than they had seen each other in real life. The
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: likelihood that she's going to be shot dead on a
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: first date, it just sounds so unpredictable to Mark Eyeglash.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: You know, very often we hear of someone being stalked,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: they've had a relationship, the girl breaks up. Here, this
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: is the first time they ever even met. Mark, you
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: don't see that coming, do you know. Listen, I'm supposed
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to defend the guy because that's how you like me
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: to play the role. But the reality is, hey, you
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: chose to wear the black hat when you got out
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: of law school. Okay, I'm not forcing you to do this,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and you're making a pretty penny at it, I might add, okay,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I see pictures of your place. Go ahead, so listen.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: We don't know. No one knows at this point whether
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: this was his evil plan to go to Badu and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: find a victim, or whether something spontaneous just occurred that
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: he didn't expect. He thought how this relationship would work out,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and she doesn't act in a way that's consistent with
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: what he envisions, and then yeah, all that that was
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: a fancy way of saying that, or one of the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: many other scenarios. Who knows what else the guy wanted
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to do with her, No one, No one was there.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: We don't know, But because will be consistent, that's something
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: that we use to his advantage. We don't know if
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: we're talking about the degrees of homicide that he's potentially
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: facing or bath just because he's seventeen. We should not
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: think of this as a relationship gone awry. I mean,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: apparently he says to know the investigators that they got
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: in an argument. What a big fat excuse or a rationalization.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: He's acting like they already have a relationship. If you
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: were twenty four, twenty five years old, what would be thinking.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's a serial rapist that lured a woman offline.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe he is just simply homicidal. Maybe he's a serial
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: killer and this is his first victim. Maybe he got
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: caught at the get go, you know, right at the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: gate U his first act. The fact that he shot her.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I would wonder if he was planning other crimes. Was
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: he stockpiling weapons? How did he get access to a weapon?
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Were there other weapons in the home. I would want
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to look at his Facebook, all of his online accounts.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: What was he writing about? Was he planning a school shooting?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I know that may seem far afield, but I can
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: bet you that this is not the only crime that
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: this young man was planning. I think this is just
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the tip of the misery. Iceberg and that mother who
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: went down to the basement bedroom, I bet you she
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: knows something. I mean, God bless her for reporting it
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to the police and not protecting her son. But I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: bet she was already worried about him, suspicious about him,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and knew that things were just you know that he
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: was a very troubled troubled young man. Well, I would
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: hold him now, or or an entirely well hold on,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: or an entirely different scenario. If law enforcement was saying
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: it was a relationship, let's keep making a option. They
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: then have both his social media and hers. They see
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: maybe some text messages back and forth between the two,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: numerous gathering of words, which suggests that this might have
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: been a relationship, and this was an isolated incident and
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: as a result things went awry. I don't know that
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: we're making them into be a serial killer just yet. Well,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you'd think that the parents got a whiff of something wrong.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: But after having poured over the statements of parents in
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the Columbine shooting, they had no idea what was going
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: on in the basement, no idea what was happening. I
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: want you to take a listen now to our friens
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a k n B in new Center one news anchor
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Anya Muller, it's believe police have found the body of
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: a teenager reported missing from more Craft, Wyoming. Meanwhile, a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: juvenile suspect has been taken into custody. As we reported
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: first on Sunday, Shana Rittaller was last seen in more
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Craft last Thursday of last week. Police believe she was
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: in either Deadwood or Sturgis. The Meet County Sheriff's Office,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: along with agents from the State Division of Criminal Investigation,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: served a search warrant yesterday for a home near Sturgis.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: A teenage girl's body was found in a basement bedroom
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: in the house, which is located in Blucksburg, and autopsy
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: will be performed, but according to her mother's Facebook page,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Shana was shot to death. The juvenile suspect has been
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: taken to the Juvenile Services Center in Rapid City. Charges
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: are pendine. We are also learning, according to police reports,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: that Campbell, Michael Campbell, was apparently on drugs and alcohol
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: at the time. His mother had left briefly, and during
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that fateful moment, the son, Michael Campbell, allegedly using drugs
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and alcohol, retrieved a handgun that belonged to his mother.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: His words quote, we got into an argument, then I
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: shot her back to Sierra Campbell joining me. When asked
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: if he was angry, he says, no, They've been having
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: an argument. He's been asked about justification. He says, very flatly,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I shot her in the head. Do I have that
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: right Sierah, Yeah, that's exactly right, Nancy. It sounds like
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: this kid didn't have very much emotion around surrounding this.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: He said he shot her once in the head and
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that was pretty much it. We do know that drugs
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and alcohol were likely involved in this. But what led
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: up to the fight or this incident or him thinking
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: it was necessary to pull a gun that I don't know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: but think about it. Joscott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: He had to go and retrieve the gun hold on
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: his satellites down Chloy Steiger. He had to go retrieve
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the gun. Yeah, you know, and that showed the level
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: of premeditation in this case. But although the answer, mister Eglarsh,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: we don't have Nope, that fate doesn't have to prove
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: that he's a circular thing because they charged him with
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: murder two and they didn't presume premeditation, although there is
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: some evidence of premeditation in this case. If he had
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: to get to done. Take a listen to Kota TV
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: News anchor Jat Claudzill. A seventeen year old boy is
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: charged with second degree murder in the death of missing
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: sixteen year old Shanna Ridhaller of more Croft, Wyoming. Ridhaller's
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: body was found in the basement of a home in Blocksburg,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: just southeast of Sturgis on Monday. Seventeen year old Michael
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Gavin Campbell was arrested Monday. Made his first appearance in
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Force Circuit Court in Sturgis this morning and arguing bond.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Mead County State's Attorney Michelle Bordowick, said that Campbell admitted
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the law enforcement that he and Ridhaller had an argument,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the argument turned violent and he shot or. The court
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: sealed the probable cause AFFI David in the case, cutting
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: more details in the case. Campbell's attorneys asked for a
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bond, but Circuit Judge
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Kevin Krall said his bond at one million dollars, saying
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the court finds the the facts of the case particularly troubling.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Campbell is set for arrangement a week from today. He's
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: being charged as an adult, but since he's a juvenile,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: he can't be sentenced to life in prison if he's convicted,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: but can only be sentenced to a set number of years.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Guys after attempting to plead not guilty by reason of insanity.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: The case winds its way through the system. Take a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: listen to our friend Dave Matt Crime online. A Mead
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: County judge accepted the plea agreement for a Sturgis team
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: who has admitted to the twenty nineteen killing of a
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: missing Wyoming girl. Michael Gavin Campbell is seventeen from Sturges.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: If you remember, he pleaded not guilty by reason of
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: insanity back months ago. He is now admitted to shooting
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: sixteen year old Shaina Ridthaller in the head after getting
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: in an argument. Campbell pleaded guilty to the first degree
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: manslaughter charge in Mead County courtroom as part of a
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: pre arranged agreement with prosecutors. Instead of facing the maximum
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: penalty of life in prison, and Campbell agreed to a
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: fifty five year sentence, Andy agreed to pay restitution of
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: eight thousand, three hundred and thirty nine dollars and fifty
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: four cents. Restitution of eight thousand dollars when you're sixteen
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: year old daughter has been shot dead in the head.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Because this was a guilty plea, they will very likely
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: never be an appeal prediction Sky'll be out in ten
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: twelve years, while Shanna Ridhaller's family is sentenced to life
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: and the hell without their daughter. Nancy Grace Crime Story
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend,