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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 231 | How Jags Can Continue to Evolve Following the Conclusion of OTAs · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to jag Zam. I'm Kindannie Stevens, Brian Sexton, and
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  Speaker 1: John Oser are with me as we have our final
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  Speaker 1: show of the off season. The off season program is
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  Speaker 1: wrapping up and before we know it, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be time for training camps. Let's go over our big
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  Speaker 1: things today, our final three, and the first one is
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  Speaker 1: switch up. Because they did manageory mini camp last week,
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  Speaker 1: they still have a couple of days of OTAs here
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  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville and Coach Theam Cohen talked a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about switching things up.
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't really, it was something that.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of came up organically over the winter time. I
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  Speaker 3: believe just when we made the decision to swap mini
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  Speaker 3: camp dates, that was kind of when the wheel started
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  Speaker 3: churning as to what can we do creatively for the
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  Speaker 3: last few days of of offseason program, to where maybe
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  Speaker 3: these guys are going to get somebody else's voice, you know,
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  Speaker 3: listening to and just being around other guys. I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, once we demark squirrel be here later. I'm
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  Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame pass rusher. We're trying to improve
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  Speaker 3: in areas in which hopefully that can help provide some
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  Speaker 3: of that.
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  Speaker 1: Brian's part of the switch up is some veteran players,
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  Speaker 1: retired players coming in talking to the guys and three
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  Speaker 1: familiar ones here today.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great to see Marseiges Lewis back here. It's
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  Speaker 4: been too long and he's one of those guys that
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  Speaker 4: I think his name belongs to the Pride at some
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  Speaker 4: point in time. He's one hundred and seventy starts in
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  Speaker 4: a Jaguars uniform. But here's what I love is that
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  Speaker 4: they're always thinking about small ways to get better.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: The big ways you think about are you know, how
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  Speaker 4: you build the facilities for a football team and how
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  Speaker 4: you construct the roster in the salary cap.
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  Speaker 5: But it's built in the.
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  Speaker 4: Boring and the routine that you find these habits, in
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  Speaker 4: these details that take a team from being good to
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  Speaker 4: being great. And little thing, or it seems like a
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  Speaker 4: little thing that you bring a couple guys in and
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  Speaker 4: let them spend the week, but it could pay off
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  Speaker 4: down the line. It could pay off in November of
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  Speaker 4: this season that guys were able to get something. These
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  Speaker 4: guys are innovators and this is a really cool way
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  Speaker 4: to make the most of a week where most people
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  Speaker 4: would be thinking about I only have two more days
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  Speaker 4: for him out for five weeks, so I really liked it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the switch up was interesting. You put the mandatory
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  Speaker 6: it's usually the last thing. They moved it up to
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  Speaker 6: last week. And I think it's something to do with
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  Speaker 6: sort of the NFL body clock. You know, they're usually
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  Speaker 6: done by June eleventh or twelfth, and now it's the
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  Speaker 6: seventeenth and the sixteenth before you get done. So I
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  Speaker 6: think Liam wanted to make these last few days interesting.
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  Speaker 6: Remember way way back when when I was in elementary school,
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  Speaker 6: which was in the you know, eighteen fifties, it was
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  Speaker 6: hard in that last two or three days to concentrate.
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  Speaker 7: You're ready to get out and go play. These are
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  Speaker 7: big kids who played this game.
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  Speaker 6: Thank Liam sort of wanted to keep their attention in
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  Speaker 6: these last few days. And by the way, if he
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  Speaker 6: listened to Fred Taylor, Mays, Jones, Drew and Mercedes Lewis,
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  Speaker 6: you just might learn something young fellas a.
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  Speaker 1: Couple of nuggets I think they might be able to
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  Speaker 1: share for sure. Let's go to our second big thing today,
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  Speaker 1: which is keeping it real. We got to speak with
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  Speaker 1: all of the assistant coaches yesterday and we'll hear from
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  Speaker 1: them throughout the show, but one of the bigger changes
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  Speaker 1: in the off season obviously running back TRAVESYTM moving on
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  Speaker 1: to New Orleans that revamps the entire running back room
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  Speaker 1: and running backs coach had Moreton talked about the motivation
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  Speaker 1: he has with his new players.
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  Speaker 5: Him leaving like I missed him to depth.
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  Speaker 4: I mean just amount of time I spent with him,
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  Speaker 4: his grow than like what we're able to do for him.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, he's able to get.
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  Speaker 8: Life changing money and opportunity, like there's I've been I'm
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  Speaker 8: so proud of that.
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  Speaker 3: But like I told him too, we don't we don't
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  Speaker 3: do better than you, Like that's our goal, right, I
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  Speaker 3: told him that, Like we're.
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  Speaker 9: Gonna put him, try to put a better numbers than you,
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  Speaker 9: have more success, like outrush you.
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  Speaker 5: That's just how we are. We're all competitive.
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  Speaker 3: But like that's the fun point of like having a
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  Speaker 3: new group, Like oh yeah, we're trying to crush you
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  Speaker 3: and we're trying to have people forget about you.
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  Speaker 7: That's the best part.
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  Speaker 1: And nope, we'll forget about Etna anytime soon. But certainly
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  Speaker 1: the motivation there for coach Morton to try to get
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  Speaker 1: this new group, which includes you know, two second year
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  Speaker 1: players and Chris Rodriguez, another player's familiar with, into a
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  Speaker 1: dominant running game for this offense.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think that was sort of the vibe
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  Speaker 6: yesterday when you asked different coaches who are all involved
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  Speaker 6: with the offense putting together the run game.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: Look, Traves Etn was a great player for this team
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  Speaker 6: and made a lot of big plays. I have never
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  Speaker 6: this offseason since any worry about the running game. They're
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  Speaker 6: really intrigued and optimistic about the efficiency with how Chris
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  Speaker 6: Rodriguez runs, uh, Bachelle Tuton explosiveness.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know who will be the number one back.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if they need a number one back,
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  Speaker 6: but I know that they feel like they are going
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  Speaker 6: to be a more efficient running game. Meeting on first
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  Speaker 6: down then get thirty.
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  Speaker 7: Five yards two and two.
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  Speaker 6: I think they think they're going to get a lot
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  Speaker 6: of four or five six yard games be in front
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  Speaker 6: of the chains. It's a subtle difference, Brian, but the
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  Speaker 6: way they run their offense, there's a lot of confidence
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  Speaker 6: and what's going to happen at that position.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they were as good as they were going
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  Speaker 4: to get with the style that they had with Travis
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  Speaker 4: Etn and thirteen touchdowns last year. I was on the
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  Speaker 4: show in training camp saying I thought.
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  Speaker 5: He was going to have a huge season.
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  Speaker 4: He was one of my MVPs when the season was over,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of admiration for him. But when you talk
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  Speaker 4: about being efficient, when you talk about being better, it
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  Speaker 4: isn't that you're going to run for more yards or
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  Speaker 4: even a higher yard per carry average, but they'd like that.
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  Speaker 5: It's that you need to.
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  Speaker 4: Be able to run when you want to run, and
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  Speaker 4: that hasn't been the case around here for a couple
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  Speaker 4: of years. And Travis Etn is not that kind of
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  Speaker 4: a back, So bringing in a Chris Rodriguez to pair
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  Speaker 4: with an explosive back seems to make more sense than
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  Speaker 4: anything else.
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  Speaker 5: So I think they'll be better, even.
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  Speaker 4: If all the numbers are necessarily greater, better.
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  Speaker 1: As a collective for sure. Our final big thing today
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  Speaker 1: is going to be staying ready, because of course this
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  Speaker 1: is the final off season program, and then they'll be
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  Speaker 1: back in late July for training camp. Trevor Lawrence talked
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  Speaker 1: about staying ready and carrying over, continue.
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  Speaker 10: To build off of what we started here. I know
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  Speaker 10: we're going to be separate and guys are going to
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  Speaker 10: be all over the place, and I think it's an
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  Speaker 10: important time. Obviously, it's such a short break, you can't
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  Speaker 10: really take time off, in my opinion. You might take
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  Speaker 10: a little bit of time off throw in just to
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  Speaker 10: kind of reset a little bit, but you're going to
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  Speaker 10: be back to work pretty much right away. But it's separate,
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  Speaker 10: so I think we have more time to work on
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  Speaker 10: individual things that we need to work on. For me, footwork, strength,
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  Speaker 10: getting in shape, all those things, staying in shape and
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  Speaker 10: coming back ready to go in training camp so we
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  Speaker 10: can pick back up right where we left off. I
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  Speaker 10: think that's the biggest thing, is not having to feel
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  Speaker 10: like you take a little bit of a step back
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  Speaker 10: from OTA's to training camp. You want to hit the
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  Speaker 10: ground running, and I'm confident we have a really mature
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  Speaker 10: team and guys are gonna be ready.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan.
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  Speaker 1: They have time off, but the way things are nowadays,
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  Speaker 1: NFL players don't really take any time off from training
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  Speaker 1: and when they come back to training camp, they're expecting
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  Speaker 1: to be ready to go.
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  Speaker 5: Right And part of that is obviously the physical perspective.
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  Speaker 4: You want to be in your best physical shape because
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  Speaker 4: when you start the two days and the long practice
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  Speaker 4: sessions and the long days, it'll grind you down. But
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  Speaker 4: more than that, the guys that I've spoke spoken to
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  Speaker 4: after practice here during OTA's in mini camp, they understand
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  Speaker 4: the circumstance where they're at.
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  Speaker 5: They've got a really good team.
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  Speaker 4: They know that there's an opportunity for them this year
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  Speaker 4: if they buy in completely and if they get the
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  Speaker 4: best of themselves as part of the larger collective of.
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  Speaker 5: A team, they got an opportunity to do something special.
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  Speaker 4: Some of that's money, right, because you get paid after
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  Speaker 4: big years, you get paid when you make playoff runs.
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  Speaker 4: But the other side of it for a guy like
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  Speaker 4: a Josh heinz Allen, is you want to win.
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  Speaker 5: You want to shot in a ring.
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  Speaker 4: And I think a lot of these guys see that
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  Speaker 4: there's an opportunity for this to be one of those
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  Speaker 4: special teams. And so they're going to come back to
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  Speaker 4: Camp John ready to go and to make the most
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  Speaker 4: of every rep they get in August so that they're
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  Speaker 4: ready when the Browns show up in September.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, my sense is they'll probably have some stuff in
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  Speaker 6: the next few weeks where the receivers and Trevor get together.
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  Speaker 6: But Trevor said yesterday too, and I I.
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  Speaker 7: Agree with him.
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  Speaker 6: That's more of a camaraderie thing. When those guys get together,
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  Speaker 6: it's great for like a social media picture. Hey we're
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  Speaker 6: doing this. They're getting to know each other, they go
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  Speaker 6: have dinner.
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  Speaker 7: Uh. I think the next few.
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  Speaker 6: Weeks for these guys will be very much maintaining where
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  Speaker 6: they're at physically, trying to get ready mentally and uh,
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  Speaker 6: look it's uh, it's an important time, but it's also
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  Speaker 6: an important time for them to balance. You've got to
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  Speaker 6: get away from it a little bit because once July hits, Uh,
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  Speaker 6: you're playing until mid February.
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  Speaker 7: Like that anybody I do.
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  Speaker 1: We love a Super Bowl reference any time of year.
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  Speaker 1: Say with the Sierra Jagson. We're gonna hear from the
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  Speaker 1: rest of some of the assistant coaches and also answer
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  Speaker 1: your fan questions.
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  Speaker 8: Job as coaches is to make you the best player
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  Speaker 8: we can, but it's also the front office's job to
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  Speaker 8: find the player that's going to push you out. Just
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  Speaker 8: like I am an ill of share experiences with him.
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  Speaker 8: I'll tell them stories. You know, from when I was
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  Speaker 8: a Steelers we had an offensive line in there, ramone
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  Speaker 8: foster guard and he had a target on his back
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  Speaker 8: from day one. We need to replace this guy. Well
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  Speaker 8: I'm sitting there seven years later and the guy is
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  Speaker 8: still the starting left guard.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 8: So just cause you say you're going to replace somebody,
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  Speaker 8: it doesn't mean it's going to happen. It's up to
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  Speaker 8: that guy to keep the spot.
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  Speaker 1: Offensive mink with John Sarah addressing some of the competition
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  Speaker 1: within his position group, and we'll go over some fan
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  Speaker 1: questions about competition and training camp coming up in ozone mailbag. John,
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  Speaker 1: I got some dewer questions to start with Scott from Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to know what mamba periods are. I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe I've seen an explanation of what exactly that means,
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  Speaker 1: so could you please Well.
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  Speaker 6: It's free website, so it's been all over the win
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  Speaker 6: and I don't expect everybody to read everything that's written.
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  Speaker 5: But shortcuts. I didn't expect that from you.
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  Speaker 7: Mamba is essentially.
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  Speaker 6: It. You could easily say competition period. Last week, the
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  Speaker 6: Mamba periods were a big pass rush, one on one
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  Speaker 6: coverage in the back. It's to create an urgency and
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  Speaker 6: a competition level that otherwise may not be there. So
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  Speaker 6: that's what a mamba period is. This team does them
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  Speaker 6: a lot. They do them a little bit during the season,
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  Speaker 6: I believe a lot in training camp and it's all
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  Speaker 6: about keeping things hot and competitive.
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  Speaker 5: Go assessing. It's a coolby thing from La. It all
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  Speaker 5: kind of cycles back to a yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because it can change a lot. But it's one of
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  Speaker 1: those things where it's like there's a winner right right,
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  Speaker 1: your group can win.
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  Speaker 7: So that's what every no participation trophy in the.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody wants to win. Let's go to Woody from Dunlap,
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  Speaker 1: who says, wants to know, excuse me, how many more
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  Speaker 1: days before the pads of the want and the hitting begins,
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  Speaker 1: so you and the rest of the Jags reporting squad
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  Speaker 1: can begin to fill us stands in on the big
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  Speaker 1: guys on the offense and defensive lines. Let us know
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  Speaker 1: how things are shaken out.
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  Speaker 6: Well about forty I guess right, sometime in late ju I.
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  Speaker 6: They haven't really announced the hard fast date, but for
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  Speaker 6: later July. Yeah, so they'll start hitting five days after
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  Speaker 6: camp begins. And again I said multiple times last week,
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  Speaker 6: Liam understands and embraces what each time in the calendar is.
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  Speaker 2: He knows what this OTA period.
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  Speaker 7: Is mini camp. They're working on passing.
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  Speaker 6: The running game is a huge deal for this team.
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  Speaker 6: It's always a huge deal under Liam. It's a huge
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  Speaker 6: deal this year cause they want to get it better.
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  Speaker 6: If you remember last year on the first day of pads,
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  Speaker 6: they ran. I wouldn't expect that to change this year.
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  Speaker 4: It would say they're They're very strategic in how they
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  Speaker 4: hit when they're one on one here like this, So
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  Speaker 4: I would look for the week they go to play
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  Speaker 4: against Carolina, when they have the joint session against Carolina
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  Speaker 4: and New Orleans and the two against Tampa here where
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  Speaker 4: that's where the real hitting is going to because you
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  Speaker 4: know they use those practice sessions in lieu of reps
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  Speaker 4: during the preseason game. So those are the ones that
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  Speaker 4: I most want to see, And those are a little
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  Speaker 4: further away. Those are what nine ten weeks away, We're
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  Speaker 4: so close, but those are so important now more than ever.
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  Speaker 4: This is the first year where the Jaguars are going
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  Speaker 4: to scrimmage against each of their preseason opponents.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, and that's obviously beginning a trend.
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  Speaker 1: A good trend in getting some quality reps out of
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  Speaker 1: that as well. We're going to close things out with
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  Speaker 1: armand from Atlantic Beach. He wants to know what position
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  Speaker 1: battle intrigues you the most, and why.
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  Speaker 6: Well, there are a lot of times, Brian, if you
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  Speaker 6: get asked this question and you have to give an answer.
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  Speaker 7: But certainly there's no position battles, right.
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  Speaker 6: I mean a lot of times these days in the NFL,
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  Speaker 6: their position battles by name only and you know who's
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  Speaker 6: gonna start.
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  Speaker 7: That's really not the case with this regime. So I
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  Speaker 7: think Wyatt Milam.
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  Speaker 6: And Patrick McCarry is a really good position battle that
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  Speaker 6: I think Milam will wind up winning.
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  Speaker 7: But just because I think that it's on out there,
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  Speaker 7: I've heard it too.
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  Speaker 4: And I've also been told that Jodan Manheim, yeah, could
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  Speaker 4: push Robert Hainsey. So, I mean, you've got the interior
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  Speaker 4: of the offensive line, which is really interesting because you've
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  Speaker 4: got some veterans that were brought here to change the
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  Speaker 4: trajectory of the team and the culture, and you've got
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  Speaker 4: young players who in their second season, one guy really
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  Speaker 4: didn't play very much. Well, neither of them did, but
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  Speaker 4: one that was sidelined with injury. That's challenging. I think
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  Speaker 4: that's outstanding.
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  Speaker 6: No, No, because of the nature of the NFL. Now,
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  Speaker 6: thirty years ago, position battles mattered a great deal because
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  Speaker 6: the starter started to play well. Now you've got a
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  Speaker 6: lot of competition on defense at linebacker. If Nreumeller starts,
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  Speaker 6: it doesn't mean that Jack Kaiser is not gonna play
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  Speaker 6: in the secondary. Who starts at safety, Okay, it matters,
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  Speaker 6: but you're gonna play three safeties.
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  Speaker 7: So at a lot of the positions in training camp, the.
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  Speaker 6: Quote battle will be more us watching to see how
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  Speaker 6: roles shakeout well.
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  Speaker 4: And maybe we're saying the same thing here, but a
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  Speaker 4: more relative question might be, we're the backup battles. Right
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  Speaker 4: as you filled the roster out to fifty three and
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  Speaker 4: even then, you know, talking to Tony Biselli the other
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  Speaker 4: day and you're looking all the way to sixty nine
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that you've got your practice squad filled out.
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  Speaker 7: It's a sixty nine man roster.
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  Speaker 4: Now, who are the guys that are gonna come in
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  Speaker 4: and contribute, whether that's in packages or special teams. So
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  Speaker 4: the backup battles are probably the more compelling battles because
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  Speaker 4: you've got some veterans that they signed or who've been
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  Speaker 4: around for a few years and some young guys that
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  Speaker 4: they're really excited about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think particularly on defense when we talk about
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  Speaker 1: how they get subbed in and out quite free. That's
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  Speaker 1: one of the ones where you look after the game
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  Speaker 1: and kind of see how many reps each person got,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of that's dictated by the style of
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  Speaker 1: the game as well, But that's something I'm intrigued about
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  Speaker 1: and kind of seeing how much usage there will be
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  Speaker 1: with some of the cornerbacks and how that shakes out
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  Speaker 1: now that Travis Hunter's healthy again. That's something I'll be
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  Speaker 1: keeping my eyes for sure.
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  Speaker 6: And they're gonna have difficult roster decisions because they're gonna
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  Speaker 6: have guys at defensive end stands out where yes, you
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  Speaker 6: can carry guys on the practice squad. They're gonna have
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  Speaker 6: guys who were good enough that it might be hard
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  Speaker 6: to get them through to the practice squads. So those
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: are it's a sixty process, but you still have to
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: be careful who's out there. Teams will pick up good
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: players from this franchise in.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: August, and I think it's a great problem to have
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: because how many how many seasons did we talk about
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: there weren't guys that were signing on to the roster
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: was so thin many where there was nobody that you
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: thought was gonna go somewhere else and really have an
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: opportunity to start.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Don't project that this year at all. Say what's here
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: on jag Zam.
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  Speaker 11: We're gonna do some hot takes after the break.
• 16:16
  Speaker 12: He's healthy, that's the number one thing. He's healthy, He's
• 16:19
  Speaker 12: ready to go. I'm excited. He's excited. Trevor is excited.
• 16:26
  Speaker 12: You know, they're making plays on pushing the ball down
• 16:28
  Speaker 12: the field, and he's making the most of every opportunity.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 16:32
  Speaker 12: From a from a mental standpoint, a physical standpoint, we
• 16:35
  Speaker 12: love where he's at.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: ID receiever coach Edgar Bennett talking a little bit about
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior and what he's looked like so far
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: in the off season program, and I think everybody's seen
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: it so far, and BTJ himself saying, you know, I'm
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: healthy again, I feel good, and he's in a right
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: mindset heading into the off season.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: I thought when BTJ talked a couple of weeks ago,
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: he's one of these guys. He doesn't really talk in
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: long but if you listen to what he's saying, there's
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: off an insight there.
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: And when.
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: Somebody said, what's the the being healthy and he kind
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: of laughing, is what doesn't hurt her run? That's pretty
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: like we tend to forget because we're watching it on
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: TV and they're wearing big uniforms and helmets that sometimes
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: they're playing and they're in pain and they're not as
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: natural Traylon BTJ. So I would be very surprised if
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: this is not a much more productive, much more dynamic
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: year for BTJ.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: I had someone in that locker room tell me a
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: couple of months ago that he's so laid back that
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: you don't realize how proud he is that he wants
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: to be a great player because you don't see the
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: intensity in his face as he's walking through the hallway
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: or through the locker room, but that he's an immensely
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: proud guy and they expected a lot from.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: Him this year.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I think we can see that with some of the
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: frustration he felt last year right playing her and whatnot,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: but definitely turning the page.
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  Speaker 2: That's my hot take.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: So we'll go to you guys first though. So Brian,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: what is your hot take for us? Blazing hot take?
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure how hot this is, but I
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: took a Jaguars to win back to back division titles
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: for the first time since ninety eight ninety nine when
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: it was the old AFC Central, and thus host back
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: to back home playoff games for the first time since
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight and nineteen ninety nine.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: It's been a quarter of a century or more.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: And I know that the Colts and the Titans are
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: behind them, and the Texans are right there with them.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: But as I.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Watch this team, I think they're more balanced. I think
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: the Texans are very lopsided in favor of their defense.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of questions about CJ. Stroud, who didn't
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: have a running game last year. Doesn't appear that there
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: is a well defined running game this year. They made
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: the trade with Detroit. They've got questions. They've been able
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: to find answers because the defense has been that But
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I think the Jaguars are above them in terms of
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: overall abilities coaching all of it right now, and I
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: just think that they're the clear favorite in the AFC.
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: Sound Yeah, I think.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard, but it's supposed to be hard.
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's the NFL.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: It's not you know, well, I'm not making marking down
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: six wins.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: So it's it's gonna be really hard to win the South.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: But I think I agree. I think they will win
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: the South. I think they're the favorites. And Brian, you've
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: talked about it a couple of times in some of
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: the stuff we've written. There's a feeling about this team,
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: and I get that this fan base has been through
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: so much hope in twenty seventeen and then fall off,
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: and then hope in twenty two and then fall off.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: And I don't know how to tell people that it's different,
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: because I'm sure I felt that way then, but I
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: would just be really, I think the biggest difference and
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: it's it's sort of my next hot take, so we'll
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: get to it.
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: Those teams do and have.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: This quarterback, Yeah, And I think that's really in this
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: day and age, if you have a quarterback that you
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: can pin it on, you can start piling good seasons
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: on top of the other.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: I think this is the year they start doing that.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: He doesn't matter who you talk to, Kay, they really
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: believe that the last eight games of last season, or
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: who this kid is.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: I said, kid, he's a man.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: That wasn't a normally his best football we saw last
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: year is what they expect to see going forward.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: John, how good can he be next year?
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: Well, that's my hot take good professional show business people.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: He was good.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: He was what fifth and MVP voting. I think he's
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: going to be MVP level. I don't know if you
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: win the MVP, but going into the next season, it
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: would not surprise me Brian and Kay if by the
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: end of the season we are in the football world
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: is talking about him.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: Mahomes, Alan Lawrence.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: Now I'm not sure sure he'll pass those two because
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: those two are this era Rushmore. But would it surprise
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: you if that's the group? No, I mean, Drake may
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: very good, bo Nick's very good. There's other good players.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: But is there anybody outside those top two that you
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: think by the end of this season that it would
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: surprise you if you're favored in comparative favoring comparably, he's
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: better than bon Nixon Demer last year. I mean, so,
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: I mean there's again this is the old fans have
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: heard this before about a good season and then it
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: falls off. I just don't think he falls off.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Back to the feeling you can't quantify this. But when
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: you see the way that he controls the huddle, yeah,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: the way that he turns and coaches the young running
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: backs or the tight ends or the receivers or even
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: the offensive line. He's always sort of done that, but
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: there's a different authority, yeah there to him this year
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: and it's.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Like, oh wow, that's what that looks like.
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: And he's the Ozone Podcast guest for the final Ozone
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: Podcast and it hasn't dropped.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: There's another word Brian dropped is like the kids us
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: that these days you.
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: Got it all?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Is this a tease?
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: Well?
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: And I would encourage fans who wonder why we're talking
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: about Trevor in this way to listen to it because
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: there's a calmness and there's a veteran poise, an awareness.
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: And at the end we were talking if it was
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: after the podcast or not.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: He's only twenty six, yeah, ye.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: And there's players on this team are just coming to lead.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: They're twenty five, and I kind of forget that cause
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: we've been around him for five or six years and
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: we've seen him grow.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: There's a lot left for this kid.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I had somebody ask me the other day, but wouldn't
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: we have seen it already? I mean, isn't he what
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: he is now? And I remind them the Terry Bradshaw
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer won four Super Bowls, didn't become a
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: full time starter until his fifth season, and then went
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: on to put together that Hall of Fame career.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: Everybody's different.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: Everybody wants a blueprint in quarterbacks, and the reality is,
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: if you look at careers, the blueprint isn't the blueprint
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: until they're done right. So, I mean everybody wanted a
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: Peyton blueprint when I covered everybody forgets in year three
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: or four, Peyton was still throwing picks and people in Indie.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: I remember being in a playoff game where people said, oh,
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: if Peyton doesn't stop all the stuff with the line
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: of scrimmage, I'll never be good.
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: So, I mean, there's always.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: Narratives early in a career, and we always want to
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: use comparison and say this will be this.
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: I don't think we've seen what the kid can do.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: I think this year, as much as the last eight
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: games were in acceleration, I think he believes that.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: It's really going to accelerate this year. He's not going
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: to say.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: It that in that way, but I think inside, I
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: think there's a confidence there that this season could be special.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I think that shows for sure. Part of that is
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: this wide receiver group returning the same as it was
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: at the end of last season, and I think it's
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: one of the strongest groups he's had. And while I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: think they're all going to be successful, I'm fully I'm
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: all in on the BTJ bounce back. For me. I
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna necessarily look like his rookie season,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: but I think he's going to have touchdowns and be
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: able to be that big play player on offense that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: they were missing at times last season. And because of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the way that they're going to have the offense, I
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: think maybe Jacoby Myers leads you in catches, Parker leads
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you in yards, and then BTJ can the June touchdowns.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: It's going to look something like that. So success will
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: look different. But I think when you have someone like
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior who can be special and make those
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: plays once or twice a game, that is the difference maker,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and having that consistently this season can make this offense
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: go from good to great at times to consistently creating He.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Made big catches in big games last year.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Didn't make a ton of them, but he made him
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: when it counted the most, the one in Kansas City
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: set up the game winning touchdown.
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: I I don't think he has to have rookie BTJ
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: numbers to be critical for this offense. And I think
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: if you add that element that guy's talking about with
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: an unlocked Breton Strange and talking to Rich Angeloi yesterday
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: when uh, uh the tight Ends coach just about how
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: unlocking Breton Strange with the T two new tight Ends.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: It's the first time Trevor's had a group where you think,
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: who are they gonna stop? And uh, but BTJ deep
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: to Guy's point, that's the uh.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: That's the explosive element that was missing.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't even mentioned Travis un or, So there's that.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: There's that in the mix.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: To your little X factor, say, well, let's we'll tell
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: you what's coming up the rest of the off season
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: as we head into training camp.
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: Anytime you get a chance to coach a great person
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: and a great player in one as a coach, you
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: know you dream of those opportunities. It's gonna be really fun.
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: He's been outstanding so far. And he goes above and
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: beyond and compare himself. So I can't wait for.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Matthew Arugio, defensive pass game coordinator. I forget the titles,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: but he came from Miami Dolphins, previously worked with Anthony Campanili.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: He's working a ton with the defensive backs, but it's
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: kind of like a mini camp out there, the energy
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: that he has with that group, and talking about the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: excitement of working with Travis Hunter, who's working back from
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: injury right now, but as involved as he could possibly be,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and expect him to be full go for training camp.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: But we almost lose that aspect of the story. Sometimes
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: we're talking so much about what the team looks like,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: but oh hey, Travis Hunter's coming back.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I've heard that that coach is a game
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: changer for the secondary. The fit is much more conducive
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: with camp and Eli than it was last year.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: Not that you have a good special teams coach.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Or's part sorry, a secondary coach, but that this guy
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: in particular has a great approach like campan Eely, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: they're very excited about what he brings.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: Well, it's odd to think and Ky's made the point
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: all day and you're right. You almost forget about Travis Hunter,
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: and he was a number two overall. Pick I mean,
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: he's Travis Hunter to me, the secondary every time I
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: get questions this all the season, like well where did
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: they improve? They lost Lloyd and ten, they didn't get
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: better anywhere. The secondary to me is the tangible place
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: where Antonio Johnson developing, Monteric Brown developing Travis Caleb Ransaw.
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: That's the one place where you might see major acceleration.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: From a position group.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: So this is our final show of the off season.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: We'll take about a month break. Everybody, enjoy your Fourth
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: of July, but we will be back. I think reporte
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: is the end of July. John when are we getting
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: back in and in July? And then shows will be
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: back in August. But of course check out Jaguars dot com.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Send you on all your questions the dead period who
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: will answer them all. And enjoy your July and your summer.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: We'll see you back for training camp in a couple
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of weeks.