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Hate This If You Want But Oli Marmol Has Grown On Me | Charlie Marlow Show · Kenny Wallace Media

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  What's up, everybody? Charlie Marlowe here once again
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  in my Tony Larussa transition lenses, talking some Cardinals
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  baseball. It's been a while.
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  I got a topic that, well, maybe you like the topic.
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  I don't think you're going to like my take because look, Ali
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  Mar Mole has grown on me a bit. He's growing on me.
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  You guys probably don't like hearing that.
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  OK, but here's why. First of all, I thought about
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  this last week. I was on vacation, I was in
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  Ohio, didn't do any videos. But what really struck me, I
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  really enjoyed Ali appearing on the BK and Ferrario show on one
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  O 1ESPN. I didn't listen to the entire
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  interview, but I saw a ton of the clips on social media.
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  And the one that I really, really liked was he was asked,
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  basically, do you think any of the criticism you get from fans,
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  is that fair? Is any of it fair?
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  And you react to it and think, yeah, I could have done things
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  differently. And he said right out of the
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  gate, he said, basically, I'm paraphrasing, but that he
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  regretted. He called it the TO situation,
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  Tyler O'Neill, the way he handled the Tyler O'Neill
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  situation. This is going back to, what,
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  2023? And he said, you know, doing it
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  publicly, he would have done it differently, so on and so forth.
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  I really liked that. I really like when people can
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  admit they're wrong or admit their mistakes and just say
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  that. It's so hard for so many people
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  to do that these days in sports, in politics, everywhere, to just
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  admit you were wrong. And look, I've always been
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  pretty neutral on Ollie. I was never a Ollie fanboy.
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  I was never, I was never necessarily an Ollie hater.
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  I think I was pretty fair. My my big issues with Ollie.
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  Here are my big issues with Ollie.
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  I thought he did not do a great job in game one of the playoffs,
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  2022 versus the Philadelphia Phillies, right?
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  We can talk about Quintana, we can talk about Ryan Helsley
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  usage and and we don't have to go back.
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  I'm just saying, look, that was his first playoff game.
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  I get it. I don't think he put his team in
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  the best position to win. I think he'd even admit that now
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  with with not having somebody up once Helsley was struggling.
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  Did he pull Quintana too early? Again, we're going back three
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  years, but that was one of my big issues.
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  But again, it was his first playoff game.
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  So I'm not even trying to be a hater, but that's fair.
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  This is the big leagues. It was the playoffs.
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  I don't think he put the Cardinals in the best position
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  to win. My my then two issues.
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  The two biggest was were, you know, 2023 when the Cardinals
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  just fell off the planet and just became a terrible baseball
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  team. He was the man in charge.
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  And I always say, look, baseball managers, it's like an NFL
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  quarterback or head coach. You always get too much of the
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  credit, too much of the blame. Obviously, credit things going
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  well, blame things going poorly. Look man, like through all the
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  TLR years, the Metheny years, the Shield years, the Cardinals
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  never took a crap like they did in 2023.
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  So, and, and I've said all along organizationally mosaic De
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  Witt's development, that's the bigger problem.
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  But still, you can't take Ollie off the hook for 20/23.
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  He was the manager for that year.
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  The Cardinals fell off the frickin planet.
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  They were terrible. He deserves some blame for that
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  as well. He is the manager of the team.
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  But then also get back to the Tyler O'Neill situation.
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  And I said this publicly on the radio when it happened.
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  I thought it made no strategic sense whatsoever to handle that
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  publicly. I have no issue whatsoever with
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  calling out Tyler O'Neill privately or even doing it in a
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  in a professional way publicly. He threw him under the bus.
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  I didn't hear any athlete, any former player that thought that
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  was a good idea to do that. The only people defending Ollie,
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  let's be honest, were rights holders in that situation, and
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  I'm talking nationally. I never heard one person say
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  Ollie handled that well. So that's why when I say Ollie
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  is growing on me, the fact that last week he admitted he made a
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  mistake there, he would have handled that differently.
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  I think that shows a lot of maturity and a lot of growth,
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  and I think that's really, really good.
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  So there you go. I I just pointed out the things
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  where I think it's fair to criticize Ollie.
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  But also, look, you know, 2022, the team was good.
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  He's a good manager. They fell off the face of the
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  earth 2023-2024 and here in 2025, you know, OK.
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  And I understand like, this isn't going to be popular
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  because the Cardinals just lost a series to the worst team in
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  baseball, the Colorado Rockies. But they also just won series
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  against the Dodgers and the Cubs.
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  You know, they're right at 500. I don't think anybody thought
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  this team was going to be good this year.
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  So I actually think Ollie's done a pretty good job this year.
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  You can make an argument. You can make the argument this
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  could be his best managing job because the team's not very
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  good, right? 2022 was a good team.
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  Do you think Ali Mara Mole wanted to roll out Eric Fetty
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  and Miles Michaelis for 40% of the starts this year?
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  Hell no. And I think we've all realized
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  by now, and I'm not saying Ollie's the greatest manager in
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  baseball. I'm still relatively neutral on
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  him, but the bigger problems mosaic De Witt's development.
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  Ollie's just out there managing the players that he can manage.
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  And I don't think this is a very good team at all.
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  Pitching staff, not great. Who's the superstar?
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  I mean, there's no superstar on this team.
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  So I think you can make the argument that Ollie's actually
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  maybe done his best job managing with this team because this team
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  is not very good. So what do you guys think?
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  What do you think of those takes right there?
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  And by the way, this is also not saying I'm not saying Ollie
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  should necessarily even be back next year, although I think it
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  would be fine if he was. I'm not into this.
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  Oh, you have to have a new contract?
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  You can't be a lame duck manager.
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  I think that's really stupid. But also, look, if Heim Bloom
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  likes Ollie, Heim Bloom should keep Ollie.
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  If Heim Bloom doesn't think Ollie's the guy to lead the
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  team, lead the franchise for the next 5 years, then Heim Bloom
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  should be able to pick his own guy.
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  And that's totally fair, too. And look, I think Ali will get
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  another chance somewhere else because I think he's done at
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  least an OK job overall. But look, he was Mosaic's pick.
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  He was Mosaic's guy, and Heimbloom's taking over, and
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  Heimbloom should be able to pick his own manager moving forward.
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  What do you guys think about that?
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  Is it fair? Am I crazy?
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  And I thought of one more thing as I was about to wrap it up.
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  I think Ollie Marmol shows very well on these long form
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  interviews when he's with BK and Ferrario, when he's talking with
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  Bernie, he shows well in the long form podcast form.
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  And I think Cardinal fans can see a different side of him than
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  when he's doing the five to 8 minute post game press
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  conference when often times he's pissed because the team lost.
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  And maybe he's a little short, little snippy.
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  And I get it, TLR was like that too.
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  But I think Ollie's very smart. I almost forgot to say this.
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  This was on my mind. Ollie's very smart to do these
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  long form interviews. That's where he talked about
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  Tyler O'Neill. He talks with Bernie.
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  He shows very well. And I think it's good PR to keep
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  doing those because I think fans will warm up to him a little bit
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  and already have. So Ollie, that's smart of you to
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  do. All right, peace out.