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It's Friday I'm Choosing Beavers · Friday I'm in Bed

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Hello, welcome to Friday. I'm in bed.
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Podcasts for midlife women living their best life but in
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bed by 10. This week on Friday I'm in bed.
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We're starting with Harry Styles on Saturday Night Live.
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And that Make America Healthy Again hospital sketch.
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It pokes fun and all the different approaches to health.
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But we're asking, do some of these things actually work?
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And where's the line between helpful and full on grift?
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Because honestly, at our age, we've never felt more pressure
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to be doing all the things just to be healthy.
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Then we're talking about the announcement that British bank
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notes could swap historical figures for British wildlife.
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Some people are very upset about.
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It but considering it came down to a public vote, did they even
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vote? Grab a cuppa and let's get into
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it. Hi, Jenna.
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How's it going this week? OK, I hope obviously actually
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have no clue because you are not here.
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You're off gallivanting around Spain, the world where I'm.
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Spain not gallivanting, yes. So we found like.
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Gallivant, how's your holiday going?
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So yes, we are recording this last week for this week because
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this week I am in Spain, although I'm not currently in
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Spain, I'm currently in my lounge.
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For anybody watching this on YouTube, yes, I am having a week
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off. I'm going to my in laws her
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house in Spain and my husband had a week's holiday that he
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needed to take before the end of March.
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So we decided to go to house basically in Spain.
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And the reason we are in Spain is last year when we were in
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Spain I got the dates wrong of the flights home.
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So I thought we were flying home on a Sunday and on the Saturday
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lunchtime we were outside about to go to the beach having lunch
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when I got an alert that said your flight leaves in three
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hours or 4 hours. It was.
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And I was like don't be ridiculous my flight leaves
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tomorrow. And I then looked at the app and
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realized our flight did indeed leave and we were an hour away
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from the airport and we had to pack and clean the house.
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But we didn't do a very good job of cleaning the house.
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So we are going to Spain to clean the house before anyone
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else in the family sees the Nets we left in.
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So we did something similar to that when we went to Venice for
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my 40th and. We were there sat in our sat in
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our Airbnb and thinking we were leaving the next day and then we
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suddenly realised the flights weren't booked till the day
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after so so we our flight was too late.
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However we have nowhere to stay. The Airbnb was booked and so
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there was a panic, but fortunately the flights home
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were pretty cheap. So we just, we just booked, we
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booked an earlier flight and, and, and came home.
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But yeah, they they were pretty cheap, fortunately.
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But it's the coordination, isn't it?
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When you've got to do all these things, when you've got to try
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and line up your accommodation and your flight and then the
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dates just get confusing. You're like, is that a Saturday
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or a Sunday? Like, yeah, I mean.
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Really crossing myself because I'm normally so efficient.
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And I was like, how have I got this so wrong?
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And then I realized when I got home how I got it wrong.
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Was it correct on the calendar? It was correct, you know, in all
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my paperwork and everything, but because we were coming back on a
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Saturday, that meant I was back to work on the Monday.
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I just kind of blocked the whole time off in my work diary.
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So because of course I wouldn't be working on that Sunday.
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So it was totally my fault, but panic.
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And then I do remember we stripped the beds and threw them
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on the floor and the towels are all wet and we're all left in
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the in the bathroom and we're going back to that.
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So hopefully they're not balding.
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So that's something to look. Forward to then.
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So not Gallivanti at all, but it's sunny and it will be nice.
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Yeah, I mean, clearing up a few potentially mouldy towels
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shouldn't hopefully take so long.
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So maybe there'll be some like gallivanting after that.
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Yeah, there's just be chilling. I think it's nice weather.
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It's like 2021° or something. So it's just nice, like weather.
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So just be lovely to not be here.
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Yeah, well, it's quite nice here today, but it's going to start
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raining again, so you get to avoid that.
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Hopefully. Not like me.
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You went to Morocco just as it started raining, but there.
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We go anyway. And I'm not talking about past
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Kate. Let's move on.
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So the first thing we're going to talk about today is, well,
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what's inspired this topic is a Saturday Night Live sketch that
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Harry Styles did a week or so ago called Math Hospital.
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So it's kind of parodying the Make America Healthy Again thing
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that's going on where they're all very into, I hope.
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I don't even want to call them like alternative therapies.
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They're very woo woo, like full woo woo.
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So basically in the sketch, it's imagine yourself a hospital
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drama. But in this one, all the things
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are, are based on like RFK juniors make America healthy
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again agenda. So from Harry Styles is playing
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a Doctor Who's there's a there's a stroke patient.
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He says what she needs is a steak.
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She needs protein stat. And then there's a certified
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energy healer with over 3000 followers called the Wellness
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Yeah, the nurse. And they they're treating
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patients with LED masks and raw milk in IV bags, methylene blue,
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which isn't one that I isn't one that I'm aware of.
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But the full moon ceremony. I'll probably do a full moon
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ceremony if I'm honest. Then claiming that someone died
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from the COVID vaccine because they shot them.
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So oh, and Tylenol, paracetamol as we call it in this country,
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gets. Slapped to the ground.
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We don't use any of that nonsense because of the.
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Currently causing autism, they unplug somebody that was vegan.
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Very funny, actually. And it resonated with me quite a
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lot, actually, yeah. So it was very, it was very
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funny, but there is obviously a bit of a, because that's how
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Saturday Night Live works. There is a bit of a serious
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issue behind it, which is what I thought we would talk about
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today. We're not just going to sit here
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and list all the hilarious things that happened in the I
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mean, we could because it was very funny.
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If you haven't seen it because on YouTube, you should go watch
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it. We talk a lot about them.
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We've talked about the manosphere quite a lot in the
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last few weeks. I know you hate the term, Kate,
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but we're going to call it that because everyone else calls it
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that. And we've talked about
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conspiracy culture and how all these things tied together, but
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there is another side to it. And that kind of Wellness side
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to it ties in a little bit with the Pilates girly as well that
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we were talking about a few weeks ago.
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Is these kind of Wellness influences online where follower
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numbers matter more than actual credentials.
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And they'll try and sell you a cure for something and it it
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matters because it is affecting real people's lives.
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Much like we were talking about the Louis 3 documentary and not
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focusing on the victims. It's all very well to say you
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find it very funny when there's, and again, a lot of them are
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female influencers, though there are male influencers out there
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telling you that you you don't need medicine.
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You just need to drink lemon water for breakfast and cleanse
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yourself. And I've seen some awful ones
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with women. I've only eaten raw meat for
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decades and I only poop once a week and you know that's not
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healthy. Where's the fiber?
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Yeah. Maybe try some vegetables.
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Yeah, so. About fiber, but people.
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Listen to But people listen to this stuff, they take it on and
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it does real harm. And it was particularly.
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Relevant for me. There was a study that came out
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recently about people with cancer and who had used
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alternative therapies and that the five year mortality rate was
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significantly higher in patients who had used alternative
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therapies. I don't know if I'm moving on a
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little bit here, but yeah, so this important, but I think Jim,
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we'll move on to that study a bit later on.
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We will start with the Wellness and the Wellness because I know
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that you have opinions on this and supplements and things like
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that. Yeah, so.
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There is nothing wrong with any of the things that are mentioned
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in the, you know, the skip. So, you know, obviously not
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shooting people, that's wrong. If you want to eat lots and lots
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of protein in the form of meat, that's your choice.
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You know, sound baths and yoga and all these things are all
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great. So, so, yeah, no, we're not
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dissing any of it, but I do I'm, I feel really strongly about
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it's almost like the female version of the manosphere.
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So as in online people influencing you to the point of
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it being unhealthy or a way just to get rich for the person
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that's influencing you. And obviously, if this is a very
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female space, there are men that do this too.
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So let's face it. But a lot of the time the target
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is a woman. So it might be a there are Bros,
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as I call them, and there are lots of sort of spiritual guys
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selling Wellness and stuff and, you know, food advice and all
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this kind of thing. But the end user or the victim,
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as you might, as I might like to say, is a woman.
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And the bit that annoys me with it and why the skit sort of
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resonated was it's they're so like all or nothing.
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You know, you have to, you have to have 150 grams of protein it
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out. Otherwise you are going to get
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osteoporosis when you're 90. And it's like, stop, you know,
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or you, you must never eat carbs or you have to do.
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And it's like we're all different.
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We're all individual. We all have different health
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needs. We all have different genetic,
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you know, a car, we're all different ages, we're all
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different affluent. It's not, you know, quite often
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a lot of the things that they want you to do.
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It's great if you've got lots of money outside.
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Yeah. This one-size-fits-all, kind of.
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There's a meme that I keep saying it's seeing, which is in
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all the years in the 80s when I was off of drugs, I never felt
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as under pressure to do something as I do by all protein
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messages out there right now. The meme is much better written
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than that. You know, that's kind of the
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pressure. And of course, eating protein is
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really, really good for you, particularly when you're losing
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muscle mass and your menopause on that, you know, like, so it's
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fibre. So it's a mixed diet.
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So it's also joy, you know, like funnily enough, it's cake makes
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me happy I am allowed to eat it. And when I say tape, I get
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people bombarding me and my messages telling me I'm going to
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die type of thing. And they're not actually playing
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that. But that's the kind of it's cult
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like. And I think it puts women under
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pressure and it makes women spend money that they maybe
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don't need. Yeah, I'm passionate about it
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from that point. You but none of it's wrong.
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You know, a sound bar, yoga, Pilates, supplements all.
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Very relaxing. See there's I do think it comes
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from the same the same world as the extreme manosphere where in
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this kind of social media world where it's like clicks and views
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at everything, nuance doesn't sell.
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It used to be sex cells. Now it's just extremity cells,
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you know, go as far as you can. No, you know, no.
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OK, but maybe eat vegetable occasionally.
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No, it's only meat or only vegetables or only uncooked
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things or like, yeah, so or, or only juices.
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We don't need solid food. There's there's no like middle
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ground. There's a difference, very much
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a difference between kind of complementary or alternative
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therapies that you might do, like you've mentioned yoga,
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sound bulbs, meditation, all that kind of thing, and things
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which could do active harm. So yeah, I mean, eating too much
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protein could damage your kidneys, whatever.
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But the idea of pushing, of eating more protein for
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generally most people in the Western world is not that bad a
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thing. Cutting out carbs could be a bad
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thing. But particularly raw milk is 1
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thyroids. Can't wait.
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I mean, raw milk can be actively damaging.
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I've drunk more raw milk before. There was, there's a place near
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us that that does it and they've got a little vending machine we
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bought somewhere out on a walk. But to be honest, it made me a
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bit nervous. You know, pasteurisation as a
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process has saved like thousands and thousands of lives.
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I am immunocompromised and drinking raw milk is not a thing
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that is recommended that I do. Shall we, shall we say?
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Because what that pasteurisation does is kill bacteria, you know,
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so and you you don't want that, you don't want that bacteria.
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And the other one is the anti vax angle, which is very much a
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part of this is it's not just a pro alternative therapies, it's
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an anti conventional therapies. So and there's this RFK Junior
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and the make America healthy again thing a lot of the time
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ties into this anti vax stuff, which is a whole big part of the
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same rabbit hole that we saw in the gluey through documentary we
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were talking about last week. Sheep.
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That's what they call people sheeple, don't they?
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Yeah. I mean, I think I'm on my like.
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14th or 15th COVID vaccine. I think it's particularly
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relevant today because we've got a meningitis outbreak happening
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from, you know, in teenagers and it's, it's growing by the day.
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And obviously it started in one nightclub in Kent and it's now
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grown across, you know, universities, they've got it in
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London. Somebody has taken it to Europe
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and and vaccines were given from 2015 onwards.
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My children, for example, my son's gun club in on Saturday
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night. Is he at risk?
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And this whole kind of auntie, Auntie, you know, if they roll
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this out, then actually, you know, we need to not have people
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catching things that they could die from, you know?
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Maybe there's another one, isn't it?
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Yes, yes it is. And, and there's lots of without
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going down the conspiracy rabbit hole, they do because obviously
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on the one extreme there is, you know, don't put suntan lotion on
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because that's what gives you skin cancer, not the sun, you
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know, not the UV rays or don't, you know, like don't vaccinate
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your kids, all this kind of stuff.
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But there's also, I was going to say low level theories, but I
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can't even remember what the theories were, but we're in
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well. Say I one of the things
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connected to this, and this is a study that I wanted to talk
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about at the beginning, but I was getting I was getting ahead
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of myself because I wanted to talk about the sketch.
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But what the sketch made me think of was there was a new
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study in that just come out this month and I have notes.
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So I'm going to look at them so that I don't get this wrong
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because otherwise somebody will tell me off.
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So it was Yale researchers and they analysed over over 2
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million women with breast cancer that were diagnosed between
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20/20/21 and they split them into who had used just
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complementary and alternative medicine.
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So no conventional medicine. And that was a very small group
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worth noting, only 273 people, those that used complementary
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and alternative medicine plus traditional treatment, of which
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there are only 568. And then the rest of them that
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received traditional therapies for breast cancer or 49,000 that
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received no treatment at all. So and they looked at their
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survival rates for that and the five year survival for standard
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treatment was 85% and for complementary medicine 60% and
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no treatment at all, 47.8%. If they used combination
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therapy, so they used traditional therapies and
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alternative medicines it was 81.2%.
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So a lot of the narrative that's coming out of this is that.
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People who use. Complementary therapies die of
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cancer more often than people who use than people who don't.
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But that's not really what this showed and I think.
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We have to. Risk we risk polarizing
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ourselves into like either anti complementary therapies and or
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pro traditional without finding that there can be a middle
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ground where you have your vaccines and still take some
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vitamins for example. Well, I think the clues in the
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word complementary. Yeah, so the things.
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So the actual survival rate was very similar amongst people who
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used traditional medicine and traditional complementary
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medicine and between people who use no treatment at all and only
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complementary medicine. So one of the criticisms of this
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is what this actually shows is that not having traditional
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treatment is the issue, not using complementary or
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alternative therapies. You can do you.
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Can do both, but if you don't do traditional, that's the problem.
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So arguably it also shows that complementary therapies don't
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work, but it depends. What it also didn't do is split
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those complementary and alternative therapies into what
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they actually were. And so there's a big difference
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between coffee enemas and taking a turmeric supplement, for
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example, or so there is. It doesn't split those down.
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We don't know what any of those people actually used for their
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complementary and alternative therapies.
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There are some complementary therapies that do have some
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evidence for them. It's just not strong enough yet
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for it to be. When it is strong enough,
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they'll take the bit that works out of it and turn it into a
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medicine, if you see what I mean.
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So turmeric is an anti-inflammatory.
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It's a known anti-inflammatory. You can take a turmeric
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supplement absolutely fine, but they're still investigating
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whether it's as an effective anti-inflammatory as you know, a
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traditional steroid, for example.
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And it may be that there's something in that that they can
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then use to make more drugs. And the point is, is that
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arguing that something's natural doesn't mean better because.
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Obviously this stuff is like life and death stuff like
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measles, meningitis, cancer. I mean, you know, this is life
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and death stuff and it's important that you listen to the
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advice from, you know, the, I personally think the medical.
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Professional. I know the call Professor, but
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what I'm also seeing, so I was going to say that's the big
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stuff, is the kind of low level I'm going to.
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I was going to say it then I was not going to say it.
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I'm now going to say it. Obsessiveness that I'm seeing
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online, for example, people walking around supermarkets and
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looking at a loaf of bread and saying it's got a preservative
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in it. This, this is dreadful.
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You know, it's, you know, this is dreadful.
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We might need it. This is going to, you're not
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just going to kill you, but it's going to poison you and the
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preservatives in there so that it lasts longer.
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So you don't have to buy bread every day.
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You know, like it's a shelf wise thing.
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And of course, everybody, you know, it potentially want, we
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know it's better to buy a totally fresh, newly baked bread
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from the Baker, but not everybody can do that.
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So it's kind of like we've got to the stage where we've got
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these influencers walking around supermarkets villainising food
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because there's an ingredient in it that they can't read.
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That often happens. There's a, you know, does anyone
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even know what this means? So therefore it's poison.
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And it's like, well, no, actually, maybe we should look
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it up. And it might be, you know, a
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kind of flavour that it or a preservative or it might be
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something that's actually calmness for you just because
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you can't read it. And I, and I struggle with that
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because every time I go on TikTok, the problem is the more
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you watch it, then we see it. This is obviously an algorithm
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issue, but you know, people look like going insane, worrying
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about every single thing and every single piece of food and
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calling it out. And then everybody underneath,
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Oh my God, Oh my God, on every Greg again.
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And it's like we've been eating bread for centuries.
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I think one of the things, one of the things that kind of
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stands up for me as well is this kind of you must as well, which
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goes along with me. Because to me, I, I mean, I use
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all kinds of stuff that probably that might work, maybe doesn't
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work. And that's fine.
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If you can afford it, that's fine.
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Go ahead. Spend your money on CBD patches
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and CBD oil and turmeric supplements.
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And here I go, racking my brain for for what's in my cupboards
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that I found useful. And crystals.
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Some of it you may find useful just because it's, you know,
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joy, calm and well-being are also very important parts of
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dealing with stuff. And if, if any of these things
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they could, they could impact your health.
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And if any of these things give you joy, calm and well-being,
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doesn't really matter whether they're a placebo or whatever.
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If they're if they're doing that and if you can afford it, fine,
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go for that. If you can't, the place to go is
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traditional medicine, which in this country, obviously we have
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the NHS, which is free. I'm terribly sorry if you are
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American, but you know, go for the traditional medicine and
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then you can layer on these things.
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And I think it's the same kind of thing.
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You see with, I mean, I run OK And I'll see articles in
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magazines that are like beetroot juice can improve your oxygen,
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whatever it is like how you use oxygen when you run and you go,
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I must get a beetroot shot and you go to what?
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If you're, if you're an elite athlete and you need that .2 of
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a percent advantage, then maybe that beetroot shot will help.
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But if you're just running a 5K every morning at a kind of
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casual pace and you drank 3 pints of beer last night, like
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the beetroot juice is probably not.
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You know, you need to start at the bottom and work up.
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So you let you start with getting enough sleep, eating
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decent veg, eating some vegetables and some protein,
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basic building blocks of a healthy diet.
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You start with reducing stress and then on top of that you can
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put traditional medicine for any kind of issues that you might
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have. And then on top of that, if you
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like, then you can start layering things like controlling
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your protein to the gram and going to sound bars and stuff
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like that. But the first thing you need to
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do is is the bits on the bottom or otherwise your house is gonna
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tumble and the house is your body.
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Whether it's a temple or a house is up to you.
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That's. Exactly the same in the
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menopause online space too. You know, you can take HRT or
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not take HRT, but if you want, if you decide to take it, you
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need to sort out your lifestyle stuff too.
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It's not literally a magic bullet as such.
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You know those, as you said, the building blocks are really
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important, but also life happens.
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You know, it's like, you know, as I said earlier, the people
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that come at me because I'm sharing some like ridiculous
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pudding, which is not good for me in any shape or form.
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And it's full of sugar and cream and whatever, but as long as I'm
22:46
not eating all the time, that's so great, you know, And people
22:51
like, is that UPS? And I'm like, well, yes, it is
22:54
an ultra processed food, but you know, I don't look at the rest
22:59
of my diet and my lifestyle. It's OK.
23:02
We need to kind of calm it down and it balanced approach is
23:06
good. And it's at the 8020 rule.
23:08
If you like, you know, 80% of your diet and your movement and
23:12
your lifestyle is healthy. And then you know, you have days
23:15
where you don't go for a run and you sit on the sofa and you eat
23:18
crisps and you watch telly. It's OK, you know, because life
23:22
happens and I think I feel like it's fundamentalism from these
23:27
people. They're like, this is what you
23:29
have to do a you have to, but also all the time and never.
23:33
And, you know, just often finding what slightly infuriates
23:37
them too, is it can be often quite young people and guys
23:42
telling me about my body and I'm a bit like, you know, a what
23:44
qualifications have you got live, live?
23:46
You don't do what period is like, you know, like just all
23:50
young, you know, and it's like our qualities are different and
23:53
as we age and our lifestyles and our ethnicity, there's all sorts
23:58
of different factors going in and it's very one-size-fits-all.
24:02
And that's why I like the sketch because it was just really like
24:05
his vegan unplugging rather than he does amazing things to
24:09
charity. He is a really healthy and thick
24:12
person. He's done all this, you know,
24:14
like. Just unplugging is that that's
24:16
the message I get in my DNS. They won't unplug me because
24:19
I've had a pudding. Setting it in the hospital was
24:22
genius and really I think demonstrated the ludicrousness.
24:27
Sorry. Do do do.
24:28
Crocity No, just making up new words of the of the whole thing,
24:32
but I think people feel when people feel out of control of
24:36
their lives, they looking for something that can help them
24:41
control it. And I think that that's similar
24:43
to kind of in the cancer space, in the menopause space, and
24:46
increasingly just in the world in general.
24:48
People are feeling like they can't control their stress
24:51
levels. They can't control the amount of
24:53
sleep they get because life is so busy and that they can't
24:57
control these basic things. And they're looking for a way to
25:01
kind of skip that bit and skip straight to feeling well again.
25:05
And that is the void where these influencers drop in.
25:10
They never say therapy though, do they?
25:12
And I'm not saying you need therapy if you're unwell, but a
25:16
lot of the vulnerability and the stress and all of that therapy,
25:21
for example, in whatever forms would be a great thing.
25:25
Getting outdoors, you know, vitamin D, it's quite obviously
25:29
therapy costs money. Don't don't get me wrong, but
25:33
they the solution is never, I was going to say practical.
25:37
I don't know if it is, but you know, it's, it's just.
25:40
Again. Therapy.
25:43
Takes time. People want, you know, feeling
25:45
so out of control. Therapy takes time.
25:47
They want to just, they go, brilliant, I can solve it all by
25:50
drinking raw milk. All right, I'll, I'll have more
25:53
energy, I'll feel better. I'll be able to do this and that
25:56
that I couldn't do. I'm feeling like you know that
25:58
all the predatory behaviour where there is there is a gap
26:01
for these people. To jump into that's why I think
26:04
it's like the female version of the manosphere.
26:07
We are, we are vulnerable for many, many reasons.
26:10
It could be lifestyle, it could be stress, it could be health,
26:13
age, you know, all these different things.
26:16
And we're vulnerable and we're desperate.
26:18
So therefore we're more like it's part with our money and
26:21
believe people. And in the big, I mean, you
26:22
mentioned it, that again, he said I'm a doctor.
26:25
And she's like, well, I had done three years, whatever lifestyle,
26:29
yoga, poaching or whatever, it was just brilliant.
26:34
Because again, there's people giving nutrition advice who are
26:39
nutritionists. I mean, there's a whole call for
26:42
doctors to be, to be taught more nutrition in university because
26:46
they're not taught it. But GPS have said, well, yeah,
26:50
that's a way. Well, we don't have enough time
26:52
to talk about. Then maybe they think we can
26:54
edition out the advice either because they do.
26:57
They do or they don't, but you either get the one that's
27:00
telling you nutritional advisor news that the odd bit like I
27:04
don't think that's correct or they don't know anything and
27:06
they don't even mention lifestyle.
27:07
And if you go straight to drugs, which is then makes people think
27:10
they are just trying to make money.
27:12
You know, it's it's nuanced, but but there are people giving
27:15
nutritional advice. I mean, I make videos about food
27:18
and I'll, you know, I'm not, I don't talk about macros because
27:22
I probably get it all wrong anyway, but I talk about, you
27:26
know, balance and healthiness and, and you know, and making
27:30
sure you have a health healthy fats and fibers.
27:31
It's so it's not like revolutionary what I'm saying.
27:34
But what I would never say is Gemma, you need to eat this and
27:39
not that because you are poisoning your own size.
27:42
That's not your job. It's not my job and it's
27:45
dangerous territory because I know nothing about your body,
27:50
because I'm not a doctor and I'm not a nutritionist and I don't,
27:53
you know, I Yeah, Yeah. So that is just dangerous, isn't
27:56
it? Think to draw this one to a
27:58
close. Unfortunately we're going to say
28:01
we are so boring. Balance people.
28:04
Balance nuance. You didn't you.
28:06
You want to do a sound bath? Fine, do a sound bath.
28:10
But please have some balance and eat a vegetable and take the
28:14
paracetamol. Visit an actual doctor.
28:17
I can eat fiber. I was going away with these
28:20
people would just eat 12 eggs and a steak.
28:22
Eat fiber so you can poop. Moving on, I want to talk about
28:33
Beavers and otters. I'm glad you.
28:39
Put otters in there, not just Beavers.
28:42
The thing that the percentage of people in the UK are getting
28:47
really odds as they get getting their knickers in A twist about
28:51
is the changing of the guard, let's just say, of the
28:56
historical figures on our monetary notes in the UK.
29:01
So we have notes in the UK is anyone that's out of the UK.
29:05
And we have the king on one side who is always there and
29:08
obviously before him it was the Queen.
29:10
And then we have historical figures on the other side, which
29:14
it is generally I believe they are chosen from a public vote
29:19
and they remain on the note for 10 years.
29:22
The reason it's changed every 10 years is not because we have a
29:26
need to keep. You know, we've got so many
29:29
people we want to be on the notes of which I can't feel it
29:31
should be because of forgery, because apparently if you keep
29:35
notes in circulation, you know, with the same design on for a
29:38
certain amount of time, it's easier to forge.
29:40
So they change it every 10 years.
29:42
So it was last changed in 2016. And the people that were chosen,
29:46
all the current people on there are Churchill in Austin, Earner
29:52
and Alan Shearing. So they're on the notes.
29:54
This is the thing I had to write down while Gemma write it down
29:57
for me because it often comes up in the I, I go to local pub quiz
30:02
and sometimes I run it and we can never remember which one is
30:05
which, but they are the people on the notes.
30:07
So there's been a public vote. Who would you like on the note?
30:11
And the winner of the public vote by 60% I believe was
30:17
nature. Obviously we have great nature
30:20
in our country and people felt it would be good to celebrate.
30:24
I don't think it's been 100% decided yet and not, and
30:27
nobody's decided exactly which animals, but you know, there's
30:30
talk about Beavers and otters and things like that.
30:32
And most people, well say most, lots of people are very happy
30:36
about that because a, we should celebrate animals.
30:40
But also it takes away that ongoing debate about who is
30:45
right, who is wrong on the note. There were other things in the
30:48
mix. There was architecture or KISS
30:53
the, you know, other things that people liked.
30:55
But anyway, the Beavers have won.
30:57
But as I said, people have got very, very upset.
31:01
It was not because Jane Austen is coming off the note or Alan
31:06
Turing, but because Winston Churchill is coming off the.
31:11
So Winston, Sir, yes, Winston Churchill and this note change
31:16
has been a vehicle for people more on the right, let's just
31:23
say being really upset that our country, our government is
31:29
taking off this important historical figure to our freedom
31:33
and our, you know, history. Worth noting, the government has
31:37
nothing to do with it. It's a public vote from the Bank
31:40
of England. So the public voted for it, but
31:43
people are very upset. And interestingly, Churchill's,
31:47
I think his granddaughter has been interviewed saying it's
31:50
absolutely fine. He's coming off the note because
31:52
he was only on for 10 years and it's the 10 year mark.
31:55
And actually I voted for animals.
31:56
I think it's really great that animals are on there.
31:58
So even his family don't care. And there's been lots of like
32:02
people saying, well, like I did know who Churchill was before
32:05
2016. So I think we he still will be
32:09
accelerated if you want, yeah, kind of thing.
32:12
So yeah, there's the whole debate.
32:13
So I want to start off with before we get into the insurance
32:17
and outs of Churchill and whether he should be on notes or
32:19
whatever. Who?
32:20
Do you? Who would you like to be?
32:22
On a note, Gemma, did you vote? I didn't vote.
32:26
I didn't even know there was a vote.
32:27
Did you know there was a vote? But yeah, I'm sorry, I missed
32:33
that. Maybe I'll maybe I'll vote next
32:35
time. But I also didn't put in a
32:37
potential name for voting with boat face.
32:39
So, you know, I obviously just don't get a say in these things.
32:44
Who would I want to note people wise apart from me, obviously.
32:51
I mean, you want, you want to go for like the national treasures,
32:55
don't you? Stephen Fry spent Stephen Fry on
32:58
a bank note. He's a national treasure.
33:00
I, I was saying before we came live that, you know, Kate Bush
33:04
or something, it's an amazing female singer.
33:06
It's always his really historical.
33:08
And don't get me wrong, I love history, but you know, there are
33:11
also some people that. Are it's only two years, can we
33:15
just like pick someone from. Exactly.
33:17
But do you have opinion? Do you have a problem with the
33:21
Beaver or an Otter being on the Oh we?
33:24
Should still say Beaver. Nothing on my beef.
33:27
Is that why their? Knickers are in A twist.
33:30
You know, do you have a problem with with OK a great squirrel?
33:33
Being on there, no, you're not. Oh, the only problem I have with
33:36
grey squirrels is they're an invasive species and they killed
33:38
off the red squirrels. Red squirrels on there bring red
33:41
squirrels. Yes, I do.
33:45
I care very little what's on a banknote and I think most people
33:50
care very little what's on their banknotes.
33:53
I also think people love random things to argue about.
33:57
And I seem to remember when they put Jane Austen on it, there was
33:59
a bit of a kerfuffle about it when they when they put women on
34:03
it, you know, women on bad notes.
34:06
And I don't know whether it was or because of who they were
34:09
taking off, but you know, there was, there was a kerfuffle then.
34:11
And I think a lot of the. We have had women on that
34:16
before. I think was that I have a note
34:18
about women. There was a thing the bank faced
34:21
criticism in 2013 for the absence of women on its notes
34:25
other than the Queen and Jane Austen was added partly a result
34:27
of that campaign. There you go.
34:29
That's what my notes say. But yeah, I think most people
34:32
don't care and it's very much a dog whistle thing now at the
34:34
moment, isn't it? For this kind of divisive
34:37
politics we have going on at the moment between the where we're
34:40
all allegedly split completely between being woke and being a
34:45
big right wing. Yeah.
34:47
I mean, think I think I know which category I fall into.
34:50
I think even even when I'm asleep I'm woke.
34:54
There was there was the guy on Question Time talking about it
34:59
being a radical left wing woke agenda.
35:03
To put Beavers in otters. To put Beavers on banknotes and
35:09
you go better things to do. I mean, the Green Party did an
35:12
excellent reel about it. If you want to go to the Green
35:14
Party Instagram and have a look. But I really, I really think
35:17
this isn't what people are getting angry about.
35:20
I think it's just another way to try and like, polarize things.
35:24
See, Kemi Badenoch apparently said that we were erasing our
35:28
history and said that Thatcher should be on a banknote.
35:31
Yeah, but she's a historical figure, so maybe she is a
35:36
historical figure and she. Might I mean, I would say, say
35:39
about Thatcher that when I was growing up we had a queen and a
35:42
female Prime Minister. So at least I kind of thought at
35:44
least, you know, women could be in charge.
35:45
Not saying that's a good thing otherwise, but, you know, I
35:48
didn't know anything about politics.
35:49
But yeah, anyway, so. But then you go.
35:51
But why? Just because you liked her?
35:53
But again, this is a thing and you know, when Aston Churchill
35:56
is not an unproblematic figure, I am sorry.
35:59
I he, he's great and he did great stuff, but he also said
36:02
some very problematic things that in another scenario could
36:06
have gone in a very different direction.
36:09
So I think that we just need to acknowledge that human beings
36:13
are never unproblematic and but banknotes are just money.
36:18
There are a lot of, I mean, Scotland, they already have
36:20
wildlife on them. And I believe that the European,
36:23
the EU central bank is also talking about putting wildlife
36:27
and rivers and flowers and things on their banknotes.
36:30
But I just think that I think that's a lovely thing because
36:33
it's an important part of a nation's identity as well.
36:36
You know, when you talk about countries, you talk about
36:38
mountains, you talk about rivers, you talk about deserts,
36:42
you talk about, I mean, I went to a Morocco and a camel was one
36:45
of the things that was a main thing that I saw there.
36:48
So, you know, when you're visiting the UK, maybe a cow, a
36:51
dairy cow or a horse roaming a field or some fluffy sheep or,
36:55
or a Beaver. I don't think I've ever, I don't
36:58
think I've ever seen that's a Beaver.
37:00
But you know they're. In they're in us, they're saying
37:04
denial. That's the wrong one.
37:06
They're. In.
37:07
In what Decline. Decline.
37:10
Oh my goodness. It would be.
37:12
It would be a big. Shame if we put them on a bank
37:14
note and then they went extinct in the next 10 years.
37:17
Maybe putting on the bank note remind people I think it's a
37:21
good idea because as you said, you do, you know the countryside
37:25
and the environment around you When you visit a country, you
37:29
know it is, it is part of your make up, but also it is actually
37:34
not political. So, you know, the people are
37:38
getting so upset about something, but actually by
37:40
removing it, it takes away that I liked him.
37:44
Well, I didn't because he did this.
37:46
I think years ago it wouldn't have mattered because we didn't
37:50
have social media and constant information overload and
37:54
division and arguments and trolling and robots, bots
37:59
commenting. We didn't have all of that.
38:01
So you would put a Prime Minister on a banknote and they
38:05
would just go on the banknote, you know, And you, you know, you
38:09
just get on with your life. Whereas now everything is a
38:13
debate and an argument and it's exhausting.
38:16
And I should think, I mean, it's exhausting for me and I'm sure
38:20
it's exhausting for you. So actually putting hedgehogs on
38:24
just takes that away. And I think that's not a bad
38:28
thing because we could argue, know if everyone got upset
38:32
because they put a woman at one, people would have been upset
38:34
because there wasn't a woman on the notes.
38:35
And then people will be upset because they put a woman on the
38:37
note. Then there'll be people that get
38:38
upset because it was Jane Austen.
38:40
They don't like Jane Austen. They would prefer if it was
38:43
Emily Bronte. You know, like it's just it goes
38:45
on and on and on and on. And then someone will say, well,
38:47
Jane Austen said this one thing and just one book once and
38:50
you're like, so actually a hedgehog is a lot less
38:53
problematic from a everybody complaining perspective.
38:57
So there is another. Angle on that, though, of course
39:02
there is. There's always another angle in
39:04
that. There has never been a black or
39:07
ethnic minority historical figure on a Bank of England
39:09
note. And there's been a lot of
39:11
pressure that that that there should be.
39:13
I'm looking. I had notes that figures like
39:15
Mary Seacole should have been on there.
39:18
Over 100,000 people signed a petition for a sequel, which is
39:21
more than actually voted in The Who should be on the Bank notes.
39:28
The Bank of England played a significant role in financing
39:31
and aspects of the transatlantic stave trade, but that was active
39:34
and several of its gardeners were plantation owners or things
39:37
like that. So, you know, the Bank of
39:38
England doesn't have the most glowing history in racial
39:41
equality and diversity. So there has been that campaign
39:45
and there is a bit of an argument that by going to what
39:48
we're going to put animals on it, There may be sidestepping
39:53
maybe a thorny interviewing. So when we're going, oh, do you
39:56
know what? Maybe animals will just be less
39:58
problematic and, you know, less controversial.
40:01
Maybe maybe what they're actually doing is going, Oh my
40:03
God, we can't be bothered with the controversy of this.
40:06
Let's just. Stick some.
40:07
Hedgehogs on there. And I think that's what I meant
40:09
by, I mean, for them it was easier and less problematic
40:14
because nobody will be complaining.
40:15
I'm wondering if people if there was a backlash to Alan Turing or
40:19
whether you know, as being the first gay person on there.
40:23
I believe the 1st, I have no idea, but I but I bet that
40:28
wasn't because I think people probably didn't even know who it
40:31
was. And obviously lots of people
40:33
know who he is, but I can remember I was, I can imagine
40:37
lots of people not knowing and then just kind of ignoring.
40:41
And isn't he on the 50 anyway? Like when was the last time you
40:43
actually talked about no £50? So I think it's less visible to
40:50
the people that would be upset. Whereas church is on the fiver.
40:53
So he's probably the most visible as well.
40:56
But it's just an excuse. I mean, the man on Question Time
40:59
was, you know, acting like, you know, his granny had just been
41:04
killed or something a little bit, you know, like he was, he
41:06
was really upset about it. And it's kind of like, does it
41:10
change my life? Does it make me richer, You
41:12
know, richer in all different types of ways while who's on
41:16
there? No, it doesn't.
41:17
I don't care. I only actually don't care.
41:21
I mean, isn't. That yeah, I think he on
41:26
Question Time had obviously been poked by something.
41:29
I think I mean, for Farage, who's obviously the people's
41:32
champion at all times, has come out and called it the definition
41:36
of woke. So I think it's that kind of
41:40
those people are being, they're being poked from somewhere,
41:42
aren't they? This isn't an idea they've come
41:44
up with on their own that that this is a terrible thing.
41:48
I think, you know, it's the right wing press that's that's
41:51
prompting a lot of this and it's part of that division again, I
41:53
guess that we were talking about earlier.
41:55
But when it stands for a vote, it's just ridiculous, isn't it?
41:59
And and it just in a way, though, it makes me chuckle
42:02
because they're not saying it's the definition of woke because
42:05
they've put, you know, I don't know, whoever there's some
42:08
person on there that they really don't like or that it's really
42:12
woke or whatever. You know, it's, it's a hedgehog.
42:16
I mean like. I think it's, it's the, it's the
42:19
removal that's making them say it's woke, isn't it?
42:22
It's taking Churchill, making them say it's woke.
42:25
Because if I look at the other people on there, I can't imagine
42:27
that they're saying woke to stake off a gay guy or a woman,
42:30
right? And for an.
42:32
Artist or an artist, right? Yeah, exactly.
42:37
You know, I can't think there's any of those three that's making
42:40
them think changing it is woke. So it's Churchill because he's
42:43
like the definition of the British bulldog, isn't he?
42:46
Who fought Nazis? At any rate, we weren't going.
42:52
But I think we get to a place where we can make a change, like
42:59
on the notes or whatever, without it becoming a political
43:03
division. Or are we just past that is are
43:06
we destined for everything now? Because it didn't used to be
43:10
this bad, I have to say. And obviously we've had social
43:14
media. Now you can say it's social
43:16
media, but we've had, you know, since since the noughties.
43:19
So obviously we have the algorithm.
43:21
We do have bots and we do have, you know, in elections there's,
43:25
you know, we've shown that there was Russian bots, you know,
43:28
doing things. And so that there's a lot of
43:30
outside sources. But how do we get to a place
43:32
where the Bank of England can host a robe that people wrote in
43:36
and hedgehogs win without it turning into some big the
43:42
vision? I think that's the thing you
43:43
think because it's exhausting and then it adds to stress.
43:46
Back to the first, you know what we were talking about earlier.
43:49
People are stressed not only because of their health and
43:52
their environment, but just by the negativity, the constant
43:56
barrage of doom and gloom that you can't escape from and you
44:01
only and you feel like it's a problem with with.
44:04
Podcasts talking about it, Kate. But I want to know how we can
44:09
get to a place where wouldn't it be wonderful if a decision is?
44:13
I like to think that we're. Fairly balanced, yes.
44:15
Yes. But you know, because it's like
44:17
it's just getting worse, isn't it?
44:19
Like everyone's opinion is so polarized and there's no well,
44:25
there seems to be less than a centre ground and it's just
44:28
everything's argument and it's exhausting.
44:29
You don't want to go and turn the your phone, your phone on.
44:33
You don't watch the no just. It is.
44:35
It is. It is exhausting.
44:37
I absolutely agree with you. And yeah, I don't know.
44:40
I don't know where it's all going to end up, but I hope that
44:42
one day we'll get back to nuance being something that's a bit
44:47
more valued. Do you know what?
44:48
Do you know what we're going to do?
44:50
What we're going to finish off? We are going to calm ourselves
44:52
down then, and we're going to decide which. 4.
44:55
Animals we would put on bank notes.
44:57
So the RSPCA has called for pigeon gulls and foxes and
45:03
animals that people don't like to put on it.
45:05
So the RSPCA thinks, yeah, because people don't like them
45:09
and they would, they would, it could change perceptions of
45:13
misunderstood animal. So you tell me, what animals
45:16
would you put on the 5/10/20 and 50 LB notes?
45:19
We're not having a pigeon. On a note, pigeons eat all my
45:23
shoots, all my leaves. No, I'm not having pigeons.
45:26
Pigeons are a nightmare in my garden.
45:28
OK. So who would your five no animal
45:32
be? Oh, I don't know.
45:33
I think we need to put on the hedgehog.
45:35
I think we need the hedgehog. He's nearly extinct and all our
45:39
fences mean he can't come through and there's or no grass
45:42
anymore. A bee would be a good one.
45:45
A bee. A bee would be good.
45:47
I did say a sausage dog, but they're German, so we can't, you
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can't have them on our nose. And I don't know if a pug is.
45:53
Where does a pug originate from? China definitely can't be on
45:57
next step. ABA hedgehog then.
46:03
You need a bird, don't you? An owl?
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Yeah. Do we do an owl?
46:07
Isn't he a bit grand? Maybe he can be on the £50 note.
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We could be on the. 50 yeah, so an owl on the 50 and I suppose.
46:15
You could do the fish. Do we have a trout?
46:17
Oh, I think. Did we know?
46:18
We did, we know. So we got no, got 4 then.
46:20
So we've got a hedgehog on the five.
46:22
Could that be important? B on the 10.
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Yeah. What did you want on the?
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20 Don't we not need a fish? The granny doing animals?
46:30
Do we need like a trout or something or do we?
46:33
Yeah, what about a deer? Oh.
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A deer like a stag. Yeah, Yeah, he's or one of those
46:39
or one of those little or one of those little moon jacket deers
46:42
that look like devils. Yeah, Deer, I think it's quite
46:44
nice. Then we'll.
46:46
Go with the magnetic. Stag.
46:47
I know. Yeah.
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And then an owl thing. Maybe they are my choices.
46:51
There's no pigeons involved. What about you?
46:55
I would quite like to see some of the more everyday animals
47:00
celebrated. I think, OK, I will give you no
47:02
pigeons, no rats because they can get out of my house.
47:06
I would maybe like to see the Sparrow.
47:09
Yeah. I mean, that's an underrated
47:11
bird, Your little house Sparrow that there's.
47:13
They're good to see. Alright, that's that.
47:15
You like your basic £5 note? On a £10 note.
47:19
Oh, I was going to go crow then, but then I thought that's
47:21
another bird. OK.
47:23
No, no, no crow then. OK, we'll go with the red
47:26
squirrel because I miss the red squirrel.
47:29
I used to see them in Moat Park when I was a kid and you never
47:32
see them anymore. So I'm going to go with the red
47:33
squirrel on the Tanner. The red.
47:35
Squirrel, the one I came over here there wasn't British.
47:38
I felt no, I feel like I I saw a debate about you can't ask this
47:42
squirrel because it was introduced or something else.
47:44
Oh, for. Goodness, then my notes like
47:46
whatever my like. And I want a red squirrel.
47:48
I know a nice red squirrel. Yeah, the grey squirrels are the
47:51
ones that came over and wiped out the red squirrels.
47:53
I don't know where the red squirrel.
47:54
In the. 1st place but almost nothing.
47:56
Is completely OK, so that's nice.
48:01
What else on the 20? A cabbage white.
48:04
A butterfly. That's a nice idea, but they do
48:07
eat my vegetables. They're they're misunderstood
48:11
and then they're beautiful. Like a big fan of the cabbage
48:14
one. Is it made that more or not?
48:16
You're trying to go common, aren't you?
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Common, yes. This is what I'm going for.
48:21
The more common ones, the ones that are the ones, the ones that
48:25
are underrated. All right, so you get you
48:27
insect. So you need another animal
48:29
maybe, I don't know. Maybe maybe I can have, you
48:33
know, for the 50 LB like instead of going for a stag, which is
48:37
that like, you know, regal option.
48:39
But I don't see them that often apart from, you know, running
48:42
around stately gardens and stuff like that.
48:44
What I do see by the side of the road on the a 11 is that little
48:48
mint Jack deer, which I believe is probably also an invasive
48:51
species that everything is when you finally get down to it.
48:54
So I do a little mint Jack deer. Or a.
48:56
Badger, though, they keep culling those and maybe that
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would be a bad idea. It's.
49:01
When you said you see them on the OR a rabbit.
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And that was the the other one was just a rabbit.
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Your regular, your regular rabbit.
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Yeah, but just the one that ones in front of my dog for not on a
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walk. Just the random grey wild
49:13
rabbit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Your little, your little grey fluffy tailed Bunny rabbit.
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Nothing majestic. Just every day.
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Every day. British animals.
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