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Mega Edition: Ethan Chapin's Family And The Trial That Never Came (10/7/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. We
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  Speaker 1: know that the Gonsalves family and the Mogan family are
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  Speaker 1: all behind prosecutors going after the death penalty and they
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  Speaker 1: plan on being at the trial. Well, we're hearing now
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  Speaker 1: from the Chapin family that they're not going to attend
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  Speaker 1: the trial and I expected this honestly. We've talked about
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  Speaker 1: this before and they just don't seem like the kind
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  Speaker 1: of people that are interested in going and sitting through
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  Speaker 1: a trial. They want to focus on Ethan's legacy, on
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  Speaker 1: Ethan's memory. And they're going to let the justice system
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  Speaker 1: do what the justice system is going to do. And
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  Speaker 1: they feel like they have no effect on what's going
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  Speaker 1: to happen as far as the outcome. So they should
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  Speaker 1: spend their energy doing other things. And I respect that
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  Speaker 1: pathway too. Look, everybody grieves differently. And everybody processes this
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing in a different manner. And it's the
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  Speaker 1: same thing I said with Mr. Gonsalves. when people were
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  Speaker 1: all over this dude for being outspoken about what happened
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  Speaker 1: to his daughter. I said the same exact thing. Look,
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  Speaker 1: don't tell this guy how to grieve. Don't tell this
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  Speaker 1: guy how to act. Unless you had your daughter brutally murdered,
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  Speaker 1: you don't know what he's dealing with. And the same
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  Speaker 1: goes for the Chapin family and the way they're processing
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  Speaker 1: their grief. Everybody's going to go through it a different way,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody's going to find ways to process it a
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  Speaker 1: different way. And for the Chapins, it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: focusing on Ethan's legacy, not on punishment for Brian Koberger.
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  Speaker 1: Today we have an article from NBC News, headline, Mother
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  Speaker 1: of Victim in Idaho University Slayings Says Her Family Won't
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  Speaker 1: Attend the Suspect's Trial. This article was authored by Eric
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  Speaker 1: Ortiz and Marlene Lenthang. The mother of Ethan Chapin, one
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  Speaker 1: of four University of Idaho students killed in an off-campus
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  Speaker 1: house in November, says her family won't attend the accused
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  Speaker 1: killer's trial, saying doing so wouldn't be energy well spent.
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  Speaker 1: And I honestly expected this from the Chapin family. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason why is because they've been telling us this
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  Speaker 1: since the death of Ethan Chapin. They haven't been out
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  Speaker 1: the forefront talking about Brian Koberger at all, really. They've
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  Speaker 1: been focusing on his charity and spending time with their family.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what Ethan's mom has been saying throughout this
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  Speaker 1: whole entire thing. So this doesn't come as a surprise
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  Speaker 1: to me that the family, the Chapin family, has decided
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  Speaker 1: that they're not going to go. Chapin's mother, Stacey Chapin,
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  Speaker 1: said Monday on NBC's Today Show that her family is
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  Speaker 1: dedicated to keeping her son's legacy alive through their foundation,
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Smile, which provides scholarships to University of Idaho students
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  Speaker 1: and her new children's book, The Boy Who Wore Blue.
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  Speaker 1: And the way that the Chapin family has coped with
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  Speaker 1: this is to focus solely on Ethan's legacy. And they're
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  Speaker 1: going to continue to do that no matter what the
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  Speaker 1: background noise is. And that's very apparent by every move
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  Speaker 1: that they're making. Her family has been focused on healing
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  Speaker 1: with one another rather than on the suspect who heads
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  Speaker 1: to trial in the fall. The trial does not change
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  Speaker 1: the outcome of our family and its energy that we
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  Speaker 1: need to put into our healing, our kids, and getting
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  Speaker 1: back to a new family dynamic, Stacey Chapin said. We
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  Speaker 1: let the prosecutors do their job, and we do our
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  Speaker 1: job in our family. Stacey remembered her son as the
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  Speaker 1: greatest kid. Everyone loved him. He was warm. He was inclusive.
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  Speaker 1: He was the kid you wanted to hang out with.
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  Speaker 1: He was always game to participate in anything she said.
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  Speaker 1: He was kind. She said her family has been overwhelmed
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  Speaker 1: with the outpouring of support from people who cross paths
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  Speaker 1: with Ethan, often stopping her family to tell them a
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  Speaker 1: story of how he touched their lives in some way.
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  Speaker 1: He was that way from the very beginning. He was
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  Speaker 1: born happy. He was just magnanimous. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to really explain it, Stacey said. And everything we've heard
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  Speaker 1: about Ethan from his friends and family and everybody who
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  Speaker 1: knew him, they all say the same thing about him.
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  Speaker 1: That he was a kind, open, and very generous young
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  Speaker 1: man who had a very, very bright future ahead of him.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the same could be said about the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the Moscow Four, right? All of those kids
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  Speaker 1: seemed to have bright futures ahead of them. Kaylee was
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  Speaker 1: headed off to a brand new life. She was just
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  Speaker 1: there to show Maddie her new car when this psychopath
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  Speaker 1: broke into the house and murdered everybody. But all of
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  Speaker 1: these kids were on the path, right? Going to college,
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  Speaker 1: doing everything they're supposed to do so they can set
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  Speaker 1: themselves up to be productive adults in the future. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that Ethan certainly is a shining example of that.
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  Speaker 1: Stacey proudly showed off a tattoo on her arm that said,
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  Speaker 1: I love you, mom, written in her son's handwriting. The
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  Speaker 1: Monday segment, marked the family's first interview since suspect Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger pleaded not guilty to four counts of first-degree murder
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  Speaker 1: and burglary in an Idaho court last month. And I
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  Speaker 1: know we've talked about this before, but I think it's
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  Speaker 1: worth reiterating once again. The Chapin family has said from
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  Speaker 1: the very beginning that they're not going to take part
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  Speaker 1: in trying to adjudicate this outside of a courtroom or
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  Speaker 1: even go to these trials. It's just not something they're
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  Speaker 1: interested in. And it would seem that we're getting kind
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  Speaker 1: of the same signals from the Kernodle family. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know where they stand specifically on the death penalty. Kara Northington,
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  Speaker 1: which is Zanna's mom, she came out and said she's
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  Speaker 1: not a fan of of the death penalty. So if
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutors ask her what her thoughts are about the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty, my guess is she'd tell them that she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want him to get it. So we have two
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  Speaker 1: families that approve of the death penalty, and it looks
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  Speaker 1: like two families that aren't on board. So at that point,
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  Speaker 1: what decision does the prosecutor make? If the families are
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  Speaker 1: split down the middle about the death penalty, does that
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  Speaker 1: give the prosecutor an out when it comes to searching
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  Speaker 1: for a death penalty charge here? Maybe. Maybe he says, look,
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  Speaker 1: two of the families want the death penalty. Two of
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  Speaker 1: the families don't. We've decided that we're not going to
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  Speaker 1: chase a capital punishment case here. Instead, we're going for
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  Speaker 1: four consecutive life sentences. That is a very possible outcome. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's the likely outcome, but it's certainly
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  Speaker 1: on the table. Remember, Lori Vallow here ended up not
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  Speaker 1: getting the death penalty. Of course, that was because of technicalities,
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  Speaker 1: but there's no guarantee that Brian Koberger ends up facing
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  Speaker 1: a death penalty when all is said and done. Chapin
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  Speaker 1: was a 20-year-old freshman from Washington State majoring in recreation, sport,
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  Speaker 1: and tourism management at the University of Idaho. On the
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  Speaker 1: early morning of November 13th, he was staying at the
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  Speaker 1: house occupied by his girlfriend and four other students. Chapin
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  Speaker 1: and girlfriend Zana Kernodle and housemates Madison Mogan and Kaylee
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves were fatally stabbed. Two other roommates were home at
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  Speaker 1: the time but were not involved, Moscow police said. The
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  Speaker 1: murder weapon, believed to be a fixed blade knife, has
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  Speaker 1: not been recovered, according to the police. The quadruple slayings,
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  Speaker 1: which stunned the small college town of Moscow... and sparked
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  Speaker 1: thousands of tips to the FBI, culminated in late December
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  Speaker 1: with the arrest of Brian Kohlberger, a doctoral student of
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  Speaker 1: criminology at Washington State University, less than 10 miles from
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  Speaker 1: the University of Idaho. Kohlberger was arrested at his family's
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  Speaker 1: home in Pennsylvania. Investigators said they traced male DNA that
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  Speaker 1: was on a knife sheath Found in a bedroom at
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  Speaker 1: the house, the victim shared to Kohlberger and also reviewed
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  Speaker 1: security video from the area where a white Hyundai Elantra
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  Speaker 1: had been spotted, the same vehicle as the one Kohlberger owned,
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  Speaker 1: according to a probable cause affidavit. And we know that
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  Speaker 1: the sheath wasn't just left at the house. It was
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  Speaker 1: left in the bed right next to Madison Mogan's body.
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  Speaker 1: A motive for the killings remains unclear. Authorities have not
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  Speaker 1: said whether Kohlberger knew the victims or why he would
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  Speaker 1: have targeted them or the house. Look, we know. Come on,
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  Speaker 1: stop it. All of these warrants that we see getting
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  Speaker 1: drawn on social media, they're telling us a story. And
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  Speaker 1: that story is that Brian Koberger and his social media
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  Speaker 1: are under assault by the investigators. And they're building a
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  Speaker 1: digital profile of Brian Koberger that is going to rival
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  Speaker 1: any digital profile that we have ever seen. We're not
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  Speaker 1: talking about a guy here who had no digital footprint.
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  Speaker 1: This is a guy that was posting on forums, posting
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  Speaker 1: on Reddit, posting all over the place. So this guy
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  Speaker 1: has a digital profile, a digital footprint, and they're rebuilding
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  Speaker 1: all of that. And we can tell that they're doing
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  Speaker 1: that from the warrants that have been drawn. And what
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  Speaker 1: are those warrants looking for? Well, they're looking for connections
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  Speaker 1: via social media between Brian Koberger and these victims. People
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  Speaker 1: Magazine has come out already and told us months ago
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  Speaker 1: now that Brian Koberger was following these girls on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: and not only that, was messaging at least one of
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  Speaker 1: them via DMs. So if you want motive, you want connection,
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  Speaker 1: there it is. He met these girls somewhere, saw them somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: my guess is Maddie, and became absolutely obsessed with her
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  Speaker 1: until his obsession turned into homicidal rage. During his arraignment
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  Speaker 1: last month, Koberger, 28, exercised his right to remain silent
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  Speaker 1: rather than make a verbal plea in the murder charges
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  Speaker 1: against him, prompting a district court judge to enter not
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  Speaker 1: guilty pleas on his behalf. Kohlberger, who remains held without
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  Speaker 1: bail in the Latah County Jail, is expected to face
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  Speaker 1: trial in early October. Prosecutors have until late July to
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  Speaker 1: give notice if they will seek the death penalty, which
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  Speaker 1: was recently expanded in Idaho to include execution by firing squad,
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  Speaker 1: another option amid a shortage of lethal injection drugs. Kohlberger's
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  Speaker 1: public defender, Ann Taylor, has declined to comment in the
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  Speaker 1: wake of a gag order issued in January barring law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement from and other officials from speaking publicly about the case.
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  Speaker 1: A coalition of news organizations is challenging the order, and
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  Speaker 1: a hearing is scheduled for Friday. Few details have been
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  Speaker 1: released in recent months, although search warrants have revealed items
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  Speaker 1: seized from Kohlberger's family home in Pennsylvania and residents in Pullman, Washington,
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  Speaker 1: including gloves and face masks. Stacey called her children's book,
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  Speaker 1: The Boy Who Wore Blue, the best I can do
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  Speaker 1: for Ethan. While the book's central character is unnamed, he
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  Speaker 1: mirrors her son's life. He was born in October as
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  Speaker 1: a triplet, loved playing sports and wearing the color blue,
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  Speaker 1: and worked at a tulip farm as a young adult.
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  Speaker 1: Life is so short, so just give it your best,
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  Speaker 1: the book reads. Ethan Chapin was the first to be
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  Speaker 1: born among his triplet siblings, brother Hunter and sister Maisie,
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  Speaker 1: who were students at the University of Idaho. He had
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  Speaker 1: been dating Kernodle, a junior at the school, majoring in marketing,
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  Speaker 1: since the spring of last year, friends said. In an
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  Speaker 1: October 29th Instagram post, Kernodle wished him a happy birthday
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  Speaker 1: and said life was so much better with you in it.
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  Speaker 1: The whole situation is just so damn tragic. All these kids,
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  Speaker 1: all their dreams, all of it ruined, and for no reason.
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  Speaker 1: And now the families, they have to go on and
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  Speaker 1: try and build a new reality. without their loved ones,
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  Speaker 1: and all because some homicidal maniac, who the state says
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  Speaker 1: was Brian Koberger, decided that he was going to kill people.
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  Speaker 1: And now that this person, who the government says killed
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, is in custody and facing trial, well, the
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  Speaker 1: Chapin family, they're not even going to give him one
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  Speaker 1: second of their time. Instead, they're going to focus on
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  Speaker 1: Ethan's legacy and the healing process within their own family unit.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
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  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
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  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. Yesterday, we talked a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about how the Chapin family was getting by in
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  Speaker 1: the wake of the murder of Ethan. Well, today we
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  Speaker 1: have an article from KTVB Channel 7, and it goes
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more into detail and gives us a
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  Speaker 1: little more context about how the Chapins are dealing with
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  Speaker 1: everything That has happened. And I know I've said this before,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll say it again. I have a massive amount
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  Speaker 1: of respect for all of these parents. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 1: this being your new normal? The headline of today's article?
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  Speaker 1: Live life like Ethan. Be kind. The Chapin family honors
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  Speaker 1: son Ethan one year after heartbreaking Moscow murders. This article
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  Speaker 1: was authored by Maggie O'Mara and Cara Valentine. Stacey and
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  Speaker 1: Jim Chapin are doing their best to move forward in
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  Speaker 1: memory of their late son, Ethan, who was brutally murdered
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  Speaker 1: in the early morning hours of November 13th, 2022. Ethan
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  Speaker 1: was one of four University of Idaho students killed in
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  Speaker 1: a house on King Road in the quaint college town
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  Speaker 1: of Moscow. Ethan was only 20 years old. Ethan was
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  Speaker 1: a triplet. He, his brother Hunter, and his sister Maisie
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  Speaker 1: all attended the University of Idaho, a decision that they
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  Speaker 1: made together. In an interview with Ethan's parents at his
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  Speaker 1: former fraternity house, Sigma Chi, they talked about life after
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  Speaker 1: loss and their beloved late son. The last time they
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  Speaker 1: saw their son alive was at the university's annual parents
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  Speaker 1: weekend in 2022, exactly two weeks before he was killed.
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  Speaker 1: It has to be surreal. It honestly has to be surreal.
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  Speaker 1: And while we can never project ourselves to feel the
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  Speaker 1: pain that these parents are feeling, just thinking about it
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  Speaker 1: is like having an exposed nerve in your mouth and
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  Speaker 1: running your tongue over it time and time again. Literally
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  Speaker 1: one year ago, we were celebrating these amazing kids that
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  Speaker 1: we raised, Stacey recalled with tears in her eyes. We
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  Speaker 1: were like, okay, maybe we can step back, take a
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  Speaker 1: deep breath and say, they... Ethan, Hunter, and Maisie are
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  Speaker 1: going to be okay. That's what most parents think when
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  Speaker 1: they send their kid to college, right? You don't think
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  Speaker 1: you're going to send your kid off to get murdered,
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  Speaker 1: and then you add to the fact that you send
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  Speaker 1: your kids to a place like the University of Idaho
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  Speaker 1: in a town like Moscow, where there hadn't been a
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  Speaker 1: homicide for, what, seven years leading up to this? So
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  Speaker 1: you think that your children are going to be safe,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a few bar fights or something like that. But
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  Speaker 1: Moscow isn't really known as a drug hub, isn't really
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  Speaker 1: known as a gang city. Now, that doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 1: isn't happening there. I'm sure it is, but not to
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  Speaker 1: the extent that you would see in a place like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, say Las Vegas. So when you send
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  Speaker 1: your kids to a place like Moscow, you're not thinking
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  Speaker 1: that they're going to get murdered. That's the last thing
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  Speaker 1: you're thinking. We thought they have each other and they
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  Speaker 1: are going to live the best life. You know, the
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  Speaker 1: three of them together. November 13th, 2022, the day of
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  Speaker 1: the murders. When Stacey and Jim Chapin received the news
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  Speaker 1: that their son was one of the victims in the murders,
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  Speaker 1: they immediately drove to the Moscow campus. I think the
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  Speaker 1: very first thing I told Maisie and Hunter when we
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  Speaker 1: picked them up on the evening of November 13th, one
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  Speaker 1: year ago, was that I don't know what just happened here,
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  Speaker 1: but this will not sink our family. It won't. And
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  Speaker 1: that's crucial, right? Starting off on that step, not letting
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  Speaker 1: the kids get too bent out of shape or whatever
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  Speaker 1: it might be, and letting them know that they're not
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  Speaker 1: going to face it alone, that they're going to have
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  Speaker 1: the support of their parents. And while most people know that,
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  Speaker 1: it's reassuring to hear it. I found a place to
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  Speaker 1: tuck Ethan in my heart, said Stacey. Then you just
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  Speaker 1: have to get up and put your best foot forward.
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  Speaker 1: We made a decision to do that back in late
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  Speaker 1: March and we have stuck by that. You get to
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  Speaker 1: a point where you have to carry on as hard
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  Speaker 1: as that is. And as unfortunate as that is, that's
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  Speaker 1: just reality. The people that are left here, his mom,
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  Speaker 1: his dad, his brother, his sister, his family, his friends,
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  Speaker 1: They all have to get on with getting on. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that having the scholarship and the foundation in
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  Speaker 1: Ethan's name is going to make his family and friends
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more capable of doing that because they
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  Speaker 1: know that no matter what, his memory is going to
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  Speaker 1: live on in perpetuity now. A healing step. When your
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  Speaker 1: kids are happy, you're happy. For the Chapins, what has
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  Speaker 1: helped them move forward in all their grief was able
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  Speaker 1: to witness Hunter and Maisie return to school and get
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  Speaker 1: back to their normal daily lives and routines. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: lot better than I was. Just knowing that the two kids,
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  Speaker 1: Hunter and Maisie, are doing well is a relief for me,
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  Speaker 1: Jim said. It was very important that they carry on
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  Speaker 1: and go back to school. I'm just glad that they
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  Speaker 1: are doing well. I can't imagine. Honestly, I really can't even...
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  Speaker 1: begin to understand what it must be like. You lose
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  Speaker 1: your brother to such a violent and disgusting incident, and
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  Speaker 1: then just you have to pick up and keep it moving.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that's what you have to do, but I
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  Speaker 1: have a hard time coming to terms with how I
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  Speaker 1: would go about doing it. So I have a ton
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  Speaker 1: of respect for Hunter, for Maisie, for all of these
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  Speaker 1: siblings that have been able to pick up the pieces
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  Speaker 1: and no matter how hard it's been, and to keep
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  Speaker 1: it moving forward in honor of their fallen relative, of
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  Speaker 1: their fallen loved one. And the best way to memorialize
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  Speaker 1: their name is to live your best life, right? But
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  Speaker 1: of course, that's easier said than done. It's literally all
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  Speaker 1: that matters as a mom, right? When your kids are happy,
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  Speaker 1: you're happy, added Stacey. Hunter and Maisie returned to the
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  Speaker 1: University of Idaho the following year, despite the traumatic memory.
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  Speaker 1: They desired a sense of normalcy after the loss of
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  Speaker 1: their beloved brother. For our kids and our family, it
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  Speaker 1: has been a tremendous place for our kids. The friendships
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  Speaker 1: that they have, the support systems that they have here
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  Speaker 1: is priceless for us, said Stacey. What happened is not
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  Speaker 1: the university's fault. It's not the Moscow Police Department's fault.
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  Speaker 1: All of those people, Idaho State Police, everybody who has
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  Speaker 1: helped us, we cannot say enough about them. And you
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: notice the stark difference when listening to the Chapins or
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: listening to the Gonsalves family. And that's because everybody has
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: different experiences as they go through this. Nobody's going to
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: grieve the same way and nobody's going to respond to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: this stuff the same way. Does that make one right
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and one wrong? It does not. The Chapins love to
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: talk about Ethan. They were quick to share all the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: things that made him so special, even as a baby.
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  Speaker 1: He was easy. He was so easy, Stacey said with
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a meek smile. He must have known it from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: He was just going to have to take easy street
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: because there were two other babies. Someone was going to
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: cry until they got the attention. And Ethan was like,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: it's fine. I'll just wait my turn. Maisie and Hunter
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  Speaker 1: loved to be around them. Everyone loved to be around them,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Jim said. He just had this magical thing with people.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: People just... That's a word we haven't used in describing him,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: but it's true. He had a magical thing about him.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: He touched people. It was amazing. And we've heard that
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: from literally every single person who has talked about Ethan.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: How he was just always a happy-go-lucky kid, always having
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: a good time, and always there to lend a shoulder
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: to a friend in need. And now that's gone forever,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and the world is a worse place for it. It
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: just really bothered me. I thought if anybody has a
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: story to tell, it's me, Mom. It's the family. It's
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the people who raised him. It's just something that I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: woke up compelled to write. It's a wonderful story. and
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it's a reminder to live your best life. Live life
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: like Ethan. Be kind. Ethan was also in love. He
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: was dating University of Idaho student Zanna Kernodel, one of
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the four victims. Zanna lived at the King Road house.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: The Chapins say he was so happy with Zanna, and
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: they got to see that firsthand. We were blessed to
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: spend the summer with Zanna and Ethan, said Stacey. The
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: most important thing that people should know is that Ethan
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: was exactly... where he wanted to be. We say in
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: our family, he was in the right place at the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: wrong time. He was a college kid who was in love,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and it's where he stayed most nights. We all knew it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: They were very sweet together. We all know where Ethan was,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and we have no regrets over it. Months after Ethan's
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: tragic death, Chapin started a foundation in his honor. It's
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: called the Ethan Smiles Foundation, said Stacey. People want to
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: genuinely help our family. How do you help a family
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that's in this situation? We had money in a GoFundMe account,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: so we put all of it into the foundation, and
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: we will scholarship kids. That's the goal. Stacey, who also
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: wrote a children's book about Ethan, called The Boy Who
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Wore Blue. That was his triplet color, Ethan's mother stated.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Life after loss. The boy who wore blue. All the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: kids had a color when they were born. That way
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: we could tell them apart, Stacey said with a smirk,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: as she remembers her children as babies. Yeah, Ethan wore blue.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Stacey was driven to write the book after seeing the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: news articles and stories about Ethan and other victims. People
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: can write and tell stories and say what they want.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: We kind of had to come to terms with that.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Ethan's mom knew she had a different perspective. Having been
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: what she and her family went through, she felt compelled
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to provide the first-hand experience. And that's why I stick
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to using these articles for our discussions. I would never
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: attempt to even make pretend that I know what's going
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: on behind the scenes, that I know what the families
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: are thinking or what the police are thinking. And people
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: who do that, well, I hate to tell you, they're
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: bullshitting you. And I'll never understand why you need to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: make a story that's already salacious even more salacious by
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: making shit up. Stacey appeared on the Today Show to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: talk about the book and the Ethan Smile Foundation with
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie. It's the one thing I have left as
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: a mom, and that is to be his voice, said Stacy.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Do I wish we were not under these circumstances, and
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: that we weren't doing some of these things? Hell yes.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I'd live in a cardboard box on the street to
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: have my son back, but that isn't going to happen,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: so I will talk about him until the end of time.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Good for you, Mom. And I'll tell you again, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: can't say it enough. The respect that I have for
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: all of these parents... is just through the roof. Ethan
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: worked at a tulip farm in Washington, Tulip Farms, and
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: that farm created a beautiful yellow tulip in his honor.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: It's also called Ethan's smile. That smile comes up a
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: lot when you talk to people about Ethan. His smile
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was just amazing, said Jim. He always smiled that big
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Ethan smile, but his heart was even bigger than that.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: This year, Stacey attended CrimeCon in Orlando. She was invited
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to be on a panel with other families who have
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: experienced tragedy and loss on a national scale and to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: talk about the positive things that she is doing to
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: honor her son. She wasn't sure she wanted to go
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: at first. CrimeCon is a convention for true crime aficionados
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and there is a huge national following of true crime
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: in this nation. We happen to be at the epicenter
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of it, Stacey said. I actually got to meet with
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a group of 24 victims' families that are in similar
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: national spotlight, and I was curious if there was a
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: support group there. I happened to be walking by when
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: they were doing an Idaho session. There were some things
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that they were saying that weren't quite right, and it
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: got my ire up a bit. There were 3,200 people
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: in this room. It was standing room only. They were
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: doing a question and answer session, and there was a
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: live mic, and I thought, well, here's my chance, said Stacy.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: So I just said I have something to say, My
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: name is Stacey Chapin and my son was Ethan. Your
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: entertainment is our family's life. You could have heard a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: pin drop in that room. Stacey said she wants to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: remind people that there are real families involved in these crimes.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: People who are fascinated by true crime, it's an entertainment
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to them. And I just want them to know that
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: your entertainment is our family's life. said Stacey. And again,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: just to reiterate, always keep that in mind. This isn't
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a TV show. You're not watching Law & Order. These
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: are real people. And if your purpose is anything but
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: seeing justice served, then you should probably re-evaluate your motivations.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: The Chapins have been vocal about the fact that they
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: will not be attending the trial of the suspect in
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Moscow murder case. They won't even speak his name. We
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: won't attend the trial, said Jim with a deep sigh.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: There's nothing there that's going to bring Ethan back. And
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: so we decided to take the positive energy that we
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: do have left and use it somewhere else. We will
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: leave the trial to the prosecutors. And again, I probably
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: wouldn't take this route that they're taking, and I'd be
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: more like Mr. Gonsalves, but I respect the hell out
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: of his parents for doing this. This is going to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: be very, very difficult. the pictures, the evidence, reliving it,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and they're right. At the end of the day, Ethan's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: not coming home. So I completely understand their point of
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: view here. Nothing changes the outcome for our family, said Stacey.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It already took one of our kids. It just can't
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: sink the rest of our family. We just can't. So
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: it's a choice. We won't go to the trial. In
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: late October, the Chapins were at Ethan's former fraternity house
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: for the presentation of the first-ever Sigma Chi Ethan Chapin
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Memorial Scholarship. It's an endowed scholarship. They raised $ 125, 000 from
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the public, and it's a $ 5, 000 scholarship that will be
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: given to this chapter every year forever, said Stacey. The
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: recipient this first year is Hunter. He is receiving the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: first memorial scholarship of Ethan's, and that's pretty special. That's
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: some good shit right there. And Sigma Chi, yep, they
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: deserve some props here, folks. I know usually when we're
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: talking about fraternities, we're talking about some nonsense they're involved in,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: but not this time around. And the fact that Hunter
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: got the first one in his brother's honor is a
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: great way to get things kicked off. When Hunter Chapin
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: accepted the scholarship at a special presentation, he received a
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: standing ovation from his fraternity brothers. Everyone in that room
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: knew how meaningful this honor was for Hunter. Ethan Chapin
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: will live forever on the walls of Sigma Chi in
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: this award. It will hang at the fraternity house for
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: years to come. He'll be watching. He will, said Jim.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: The family said that Ethan's legacy is simple. It will
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: be helping other students achieve their dreams through education, whether
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that be through the Sigma Chi Foundation or Ethan Smile Foundation.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: It's scholarship for kids, any kid, any dream in Ethan's name.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: It's the best we can do for him. On the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: one year mark of Ethan's death, the family arranged a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: gala with family and friends within their community in Washington
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: as a way to honor and remember Ethan. The function
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: also raised money for Ethan Smile Foundation. One day, Hunter
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and Maisie will help to carry Ethan's legacy on. For now,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: they are focusing on healing and just being college students.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: We have protected them at all costs, their mom said.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: We want them to be kids. We want them to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: start where they left off, and to be college kids
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: growing up like they're supposed to do. For the most part,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: they are completely insulated here at the university, and that's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the best place for them. For the Chapin family, as
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: they remain, they are determined to find a path to
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: continued healing together. On Stacey's arm is a special tattoo
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: with the phrase, I love you mom, and Ethan's handwriting
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: from a card that he gave to her as a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: little boy. He genuinely was one of a kind. If
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the world lived like Ethan lived, it would be a
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: better place. We were a great family before, and we
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: need to go on and continue to be that. Ethan
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: will always be part of not only the Chapin family,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: but all who knew him. All right, folks, that's going
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to do it for this one. All of the information
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: description box. What's up everyone and welcome back to the program.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: In our last episode, we were talking about the four
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: hour gap that the police were trying to piece together. Well,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: we have another episode, another article that adds a little
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: more context to that and goes a little bit deeper.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So let's dive into this article from the Daily Mail
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: and let's see what they came up with. Headline, Idaho
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: cops zero in on movements of the murdered student couple.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: who attended frat house hours before their and their two
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: roommates were stabbed to death in their beds. This article
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: was authored by Keith Griffith. Police in Idaho say they
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: are now seeking more information on the earlier movements of
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: two of the college students killed in a quadruple homicide
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: last month, as they deny telling the family of victim
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves. that her injuries were more brutal than those
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: of the other victims. And that was part of the
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: statement that the Moscow police released yesterday that I read
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: earlier today. And it was basically them refuting what we
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: had heard from Steve Gonsalves. So you can take from
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that what you will. I want to provide both sides.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: of the story here, both sides of the coin. And
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: like usual, let you folks decide what you believe and
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: what you think happened. And feel free to shoot me
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: some emails and tell me what you think. In its
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: latest statement on the November 13th murders, the Moscow Police
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Department said on Monday, it is probing the movements of
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: victims Ethan Chapin and Zanna Karnodal, who visited Ethan's fraternity
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: house hours before the murders. Police believe Ethan and Zanna
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: visited the Sigma Chi house on the University of Idaho's
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: campus from about 9 p.m. on November 12th until around 1.45 a.m.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: when they returned to Zanna's off-campus home just a brief
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: walk away. So if they think they were there, right,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and they were there for that whole entire time period,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: shouldn't they be able to put together this timeline relatively
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: easily by piecing together stories from people who were at
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: this party as well? Unless, of course, everybody is clammed
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: up and nobody wants to talk to the investigators. I
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: guess that's a possibility. I haven't heard that that happened yet.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: So that's not me saying that's what occurred, but it's
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: certainly a possibility. That actually seems to be one of
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the larger areas that we don't have a lot of
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: information in. Idaho State Police Communications Director Aaron Snell told
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Good Morning America... So Aaron Snell did another interview with
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Good Morning America, and I'll post that link in the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: description box as well so you can keep up to date.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: So being able to locate what they did last night
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to maybe who they contacted, maybe any routes they took home,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: that would be important to the investigation, he added. And
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: it sucks that there's not more cameras, surveillance cameras in
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the area, because that would help them establish at the
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: very least which route they took home. But it doesn't
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: seem that they have access to... a large variety of
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the surveillance cameras. Like, I know here in my neighborhood,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: just about all of my neighbors have them. But I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: guess that's not the case in Moscow. Ethan and Zanna, 20,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: who were dating, were stabbed to death along with Zanna's roommates,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves and Madison Mogan, in the home they shared,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: likely while they were sleeping. Police still have no suspects
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and no murder weapon. Earlier appeals to the public had
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: focused on Kaylee and Madison's activities on the night of
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the murders, which involves stops at a sports bar and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a food truck. So we have went over those movements
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: with a fine-tooth comb at this point. I mean, if
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: you even lived at a house that they walked by,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: somebody has accused you of being the killer at this point.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: So everybody's looked and delved into what Madison and Kaylee
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: were doing. But at the same time, we have this
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: huge gap in the timeline for Ethan and Zanna. So
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that has to be filled in. Meanwhile, tensions grew further
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: between investigators and the families of the victims who have
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: spoken out in frustration about the failure to identify a suspect.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Kaylee's father, Steven, previously told News Nation's Brian Enten that
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: police had told him her injuries were worse than the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: other victims, but he didn't go into detail. That remark
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: in their new statement saying with the active criminal investigation,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Law enforcement has not released additional facts to the family
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: or the public. And again, I don't think that they
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: will at this point, especially considering how vocal Mr. Gonsalves
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: has been with the whole entire investigation. The police obviously
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: do not want to divulge too much of their information
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: if they believe that it's going to get to the media,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: because according to them and their narrative, that's what they're
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: trying to avoid. There have been statements and speculation about
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: this case, victim injuries, cause of death, evidence collection and processing,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and investigative techniques, the statement added. However, we firmly believe
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: speculation and unvetted information is a disservice to the victims,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: their families, and our community, it continued. Echoing a refrain
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: from prior statements as the small-town department leading the investigation
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: has come under increasing criticism. The Moscow Police Department is
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: committed to providing information whenever possible, but not at the
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: expense of compromising the investigation and prosecution, the department said.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Police also said they looked into the theory that Kaylee
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: had a stalker as they continue to search for answers
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: three weeks after four University of Idaho students were murdered
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: at their off-campus house on November 13th. Police said that
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: in mid-October, two males appeared to follow Kaylee inside the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: local Moscow business, and then followed her out to her car,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: but made no contact. After speaking with the two males,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: police determined it to be an isolated incident and said
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: there was no evidence to suggest they were involved in
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: the murders. And I said earlier, I'm not going to
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: digress and go into it again, but it seems to
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: me that we just got two college-aged dudes here that
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: are out trolling looking for some girls. I mean, what
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: else are you going to do in this small-ass town?
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Go to the bar? Look for women? have some drinks,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and what, go to school. Not really much else to do,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing. Police contacted both males and learned that the
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: two were attempting to meet women at the business, which
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: was corroborated through additional investigation. Police also revealed on Monday
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that there was no evidence found on Gonsalves' dog, Murphy,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: who was found at the scene. It has not yet
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: been determined what room the dog was in when the
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: murders took place. During the search of the home, a
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: dog was found in a room where the crimes had
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: not been committed, according to the release. Officers did not
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: find any evidence on the dog, and no indication the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: animal had entered the crime scene. The dog was taken
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: to animal services and released to a responsible person. Three
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: weeks after the grisly murders, few answers have come out,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and authorities have yet to name a suspect or even
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: a person of interest in the case. Kaylee and Madison
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: were sleeping on the third floor, and Zanna and Ethan
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: were on the second floor. Cops said the killer entered
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the house through a sliding glass door on the second floor,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: which was level with the backyard. Now, I haven't heard
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the authorities say that yet. That's what we're all guessing,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: and that's what the likeliest entry point was, but I
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: haven't heard the actual investigators come out and say that.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Two other roommates were in the house, but were unharmed
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: and unaware the attack occurred. They were sleeping on the
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: first floor. Detectives have sifted through more than 2,645 email tips, 2,770
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: phone tips, and 1,084 digital media submissions, according to the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: most recent update. And I'm going to continue to post
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: those updates, those press releases, as they come out, word
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: for word, so that there's no confusion about where things stand, right?
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: That's the official narrative. That's the official storyline of what's
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: going on and everything else besides that. can be considered speculation.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: We believe someone has information that will add context to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the picture investigators are creating of what occurred that evening,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Moscow police said in a statement on Monday. And to me,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it seems like they think that somebody somewhere, mainly at
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: this Sigma Chi house, might have some information for them
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: that hasn't come forward yet. And they're slightly inferring that
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: that might be the case because people might be scared
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: that they'll get busted for drugs or they'll get busted
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: for alcohol, you know, being in possession of or doing
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: drugs or being drunk, whatever it is. When you're in college,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: that's how your brain works. You don't want to get
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: in trouble. So you're saying to yourself, or these kids are, man,
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  Speaker 1: if I have some information, I might get in trouble
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  Speaker 1: for it. Well, the police are saying, look, we don't
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  Speaker 1: care what you were doing. If you were doing some drugs,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you were drunk and you're underage, that's not what we're
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  Speaker 1: doing here. We're homicide police. We're looking for a murderer.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Our focus is the investigation, not the activities. Your information,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: whether you believe it is significant or not, might be
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: one of the puzzle pieces that help solve these murders.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Last week, Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell told DailyMail.com,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: that it's possible all four victims could have been intended
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: targets of the gruesome November 13th stabbings. Yeah, anything's possible
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: at this point. And a good investigation, it won't rule
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: anything out until it's been ruled out. So they could
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: all be targets. Only one of them could be a target.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Two of them could have been targets. Who knows? Autopsies
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: determined the four students were stabbed to death, likely with
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a fixed blade knife and investigators checked with local stores
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: to see if any had sold military style knives recently. Well,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I always thought that that wouldn't yield any results. I mean,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: this person who had the knife, I doubt they bought
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: it the day before. They had this knife previously, and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing bought it somewhere else or bought it online.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: We live in a time and place where you can
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: buy anything online, basically. So the likelihood that this person
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: purchased the knife locally or at a shop that could
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: trace it back are slim to none, in my opinion. However,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you still have to explore that possibility as an investigator.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And it really shines a light on how much of
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: an uphill climb this really is. So they got to
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: piece this all together. They're trying to find out what
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: went on at the Sigma Chi party, you know, around
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: the Sigma Chi party and afterwards. And they don't have
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a full timeline built yet for XANA and for Ethan.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: And until they do that, it's going to be very
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: difficult to determine what went on in the overall here.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: So we'll continue to see what we see and we'll
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: continue to follow this as it evolves. All right, folks,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. If you'd
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