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Chuck & Buck 2-20 Hour 2: Justin Hollander, is there room for concern? And the NBA means business. · Chuck in the Morning

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Seven o'clock hour, Chuck Powl, Bucky Jacobson here live from
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  Speaker 1: Peoria all week long. And yes it is Friday, which
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  Speaker 1: means this is our final day here in the beautiful
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  Speaker 1: sunshine of Peoria, Arizona. We're gonna make the most of
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  Speaker 1: it by gum our coverage brought to you by Delta Airlines,
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  Speaker 1: and of course our friends at Talala Prasort Casino. And
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  Speaker 1: we are going to start our second hour of day
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  Speaker 1: number five talking to one of the three wise men.
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  Speaker 1: The general manager himself is here. Justin Hollander joins us
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  Speaker 1: here on Chuck and Buck.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, sir, you're leaving right when it's getting good.
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  Speaker 1: It's been good, it's been really good.
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  Speaker 3: Very good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: True, though it is game time now. Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 4: That's true. I'm sticking around. Family's coming down. I'm sticking
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  Speaker 4: around for a week.
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  Speaker 2: Games today, sunshine, true, the weather's warming up a little bit. Well,
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  Speaker 2: staying of the week, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, Can I stay at the Hollander's house.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll put it on the Barner's account.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well now we're talking now, we got something
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  Speaker 1: going here. Yeah, because I don't think you're staying at
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  Speaker 1: the comfort suites.
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  Speaker 2: It's an okay place.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Family's leaving tomorrow. We got exture room now perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Just me and Holland are hanging out like good old time.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of curling on the TV will be great.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, let's dive into the lineup today
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  Speaker 1: because I haven't given it out today and there's some
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  Speaker 1: things to discuss. Just from the lineup itself, it's it's Raley, Raleigh, Rodriguez, Naylor,
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  Speaker 1: a Rose Arena, Crawford, Canzone, Arroyo and Emerson. That's the
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  Speaker 1: starting lineup for game number one today. Let's start from
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  Speaker 1: the back of that cold Emerson and how you are
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  Speaker 1: treating his spring training? Does he have a shot to
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  Speaker 1: break camp as an opening day player? Are you going
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  Speaker 1: to give him that courtesy here this year?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 3: Wow?
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any reason to put MIT's on players,
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  Speaker 2: especially players is talent that his cult is. I think
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  Speaker 2: he's got the emotional maturity to play in the big leagues.
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  Speaker 2: He probably had the emotional maturity to play in the
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  Speaker 2: big leagues like the day he graduated high school. He's
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  Speaker 2: just wired differently than most players. His level of competitiveness,
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  Speaker 2: the way he handles failure, the way he handles success
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  Speaker 2: all lead us to believe that when he's physically ready
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  Speaker 2: ready from a skills standpoint, that we're not concerned about
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  Speaker 2: his transition to the big leagues. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: he'll be we'll deem him to be physically ready and
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  Speaker 2: sort of ready to go attack the big leagues from
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  Speaker 2: day one, but we're gonna gi him a chance.
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  Speaker 4: What would he I mean, would that typically be at
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  Speaker 4: second base? At third base? I mean JP, I would
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  Speaker 4: imagine his kind of sitting there at short got his
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  Speaker 4: flag in the ground as of now, so it would
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  Speaker 4: be then then that's the reason where for the versatility
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  Speaker 4: of Brendan Donovan if you were needing to put him
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  Speaker 4: at second or third.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, I think the cult will see reps at second, short,
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  Speaker 2: and third this spring. I think if if he were
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  Speaker 2: to break with the club, most likely his reps would
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  Speaker 2: would primarily be at third base.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So how then does Donovan approach spring? Is he
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  Speaker 1: just going to get third base reps right now?
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  Speaker 2: I think you'll see a lot of third base, You'll
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  Speaker 2: see some second base, and you'll see some outfield. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's important for us to maximize his value and
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  Speaker 2: make sure that he continues to stay in touch with
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  Speaker 2: all the positions that he's played in the past. I
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  Speaker 2: do think you're going to see more reps from third
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  Speaker 2: base from him. You know, in Saint Louis they had
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  Speaker 2: Nolan Aronto, you know, a platinum glover. It's not really
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  Speaker 2: necessary for him to go get a ton of reps there.
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  Speaker 2: For us, He's going to play a lot of third,
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  Speaker 2: but you'll see him take some reps at second on
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  Speaker 2: a day. You'll see him playing the outfield a little
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  Speaker 2: later in the spring as well.
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  Speaker 1: Justin Hollander is with us here on Chuck and Black.
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  Speaker 1: I want to stay on Donovan here. I mean, I've
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  Speaker 1: made this comparison before, but I mean I've like fantasy football.
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  Speaker 1: I will sit there and like, why isn't this guy
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  Speaker 1: responding to my trade. It's been forty eight hours, just
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  Speaker 1: yes or no. So I get worked up over fantasy
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  Speaker 1: football when you're doing it for real and you're sitting
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  Speaker 1: there wait for the Saint Louis Cardinals to get you back.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you made it very clear that you want Donovan.
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  Speaker 1: You've circled Donovan, You're in on Donovan. The Cardinals are
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  Speaker 1: trying to trade Donovan, and yet it stretched out for
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  Speaker 1: a long period of time. How excruciating is it when
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  Speaker 1: the bullets are real.
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  Speaker 2: I think you ride the highs and the lows. Some
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  Speaker 2: days you feel like, oh, we're making progress. Some days
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  Speaker 2: you feel like, why aren't we getting a call back?
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  Speaker 2: You know, my kids started asking me every day, did
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  Speaker 2: we get Donovan today?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: Guys sing too here. I mean to use your kid
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  Speaker 1: as an insider. That's what I need to do. I
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't tap into you know, it'd probably be bought with
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  Speaker 1: some video games and what have You.
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  Speaker 2: Head to the third grade and the fifth grade in
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  Speaker 2: Chrolin if you Evergreen school, they got all the dope. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's uh. You know, I think you try and focus
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  Speaker 2: on what you can control, and all we can control is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, making sure that they're aware of our interest
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  Speaker 2: and what we're willing to do and what we aren't
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  Speaker 2: willing to do. And you know, it's not our decision.
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  Speaker 2: They had every right to take as long as they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to take to sort of root out and make
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  Speaker 2: sure they were digging in on every lead. They had
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  Speaker 2: to make the best possible deal they could for them.
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  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes that takes less time. Sometimes it takes
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  Speaker 2: more time. Sometimes a team just decides to hold the player.
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  Speaker 2: It's up to them how they want to handle that.
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  Speaker 2: Thrilled that it resulted in a deal. At the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, we didn't need to have a trade
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  Speaker 2: consummated in December. We're gonna play games in December, right,
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  Speaker 2: So getting it done the week before spring training was
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  Speaker 2: perfectly good for us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what is it?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he seems like a gritty ballplayer just from
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  Speaker 4: the little bit we've got to know him. What was
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  Speaker 4: the main thing that you were wanting names so badly for.
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  Speaker 2: I think the combination of the bats of ball, the
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  Speaker 2: sort of the lead off top of the lineup type skills,
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  Speaker 2: and the versatility you reference Cold a second ago. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: we have Cole Young, we have Michael Royo. We have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of young position players, particularly infielders, that are
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  Speaker 2: coming through our system over the next year. Making sure
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  Speaker 2: that we have a team that has a foundation good
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  Speaker 2: enough to incorporate those guys so that you're not counting
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  Speaker 2: on all of them would be good the moment they
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  Speaker 2: walk into the big leagues. And Donovan having the ability
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  Speaker 2: to float from position to position to position gives those
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  Speaker 2: guys room to breathe and let us figure things and
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  Speaker 2: figure things out, will not sort of jeopardizing the current
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  Speaker 2: quality of our big league team. So that's a rare combination.
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  Speaker 2: You don't often have players with his kind of sort
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  Speaker 2: of batter's box skill set also be versatile enough to
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  Speaker 2: play three or four spots capably to better than capably.
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  Speaker 1: Justin Hollander is with us, general manager of the Seattle Mariners.
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  Speaker 1: What an offseason that they had. They got Brenda Donoman,
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  Speaker 1: and they got Jose Ferrer, who won't ask him about
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  Speaker 1: here in a moment, but I'll stay on a few
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  Speaker 1: of the names before we get off of it. You
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  Speaker 1: brought up a royal who's hitting eighth in the lineup today.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't discussed him much this week, but a very
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  Speaker 1: interesting prospect you mentioned Cole Young. Ryan Bliss is here,
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  Speaker 1: Leo Reeboss is here. Colt Emerson we've already discussed. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have one starting second basement, maybe two at
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  Speaker 1: the max if you end up doing some sort of
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  Speaker 1: platoon there. I have no idea. So is this is
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  Speaker 1: just a as pure a camp battle as you can
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  Speaker 1: have for the second base position. Meaning you may not
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  Speaker 1: have in your head somebody that you've already said is
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  Speaker 1: the front Runner's just whoever plays the best is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be starting second basement on opening day.
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  Speaker 2: That's probably a little bit of a stretch. I would say,
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  Speaker 2: as we walk in the door today, Cole Young is
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  Speaker 2: the favorite. I love how Cole's off season one. If
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  Speaker 2: you've seen him walking around, he looks fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: Right now. He was chiseled.
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  Speaker 2: He really put the time in, the work in. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Cole was got.
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  Speaker 1: Rid of that silly mustache.
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  Speaker 2: The mustache is hard for anybody to pull off. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to judge Cole's. Mine would be really bad too. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's Cole was the youngest or second youngest regular in
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  Speaker 2: the PCL last year, and then we brought in the
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  Speaker 2: big leagues and he was one of the five youngest
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  Speaker 2: players in the big leagues last year, and for a
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  Speaker 2: good five six week stretch, he was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Last year.
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  Speaker 2: He was really good, and then he ran out of gas,
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  Speaker 2: and that happens to young players. Sometimes. The big league
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  Speaker 2: environment is a tough one. This is the sane energy.
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  Speaker 2: And it was pretty clear as we got in September
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  Speaker 2: that Cole was just dragging a little bit, and I
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  Speaker 2: think he took a lot of steps this offseason to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that doesn't happen again. He's gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: really good player. I would say he's gonna get the
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  Speaker 2: first crack at, you know, the starting second basement. That
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean he's gonna play every day, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean it's his forever. And I think he approached the
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  Speaker 2: winner like he's got to earn it. I think Michael
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  Speaker 2: probably needs some more time still. Leo is a perfect
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  Speaker 2: player as sort of a move around the field, you know,
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  Speaker 2: utility player in the big leagues. He can do a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things well. It takes great at bats and
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  Speaker 2: can play all the infield spots and I think you'll
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  Speaker 2: see him stand in the outfield a little bit this
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  Speaker 2: spring too. So as a player who helps the team function,
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  Speaker 2: Leo is is probably as you know, a good a
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  Speaker 2: fit as you can have on the roster to help
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  Speaker 2: augment what we have with the rest of the major
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  Speaker 2: league team.
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  Speaker 4: Justin Hollander with us, I mean talking about the outfield,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously Julio is going to be playing. You're
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  Speaker 4: gonna have a Rosena in there pretty much every day
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  Speaker 4: when you have can Zone robust coming back from the injury,
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  Speaker 4: and then now you've added Ref Schneider into the whole mix,
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  Speaker 4: how are you planning on? Is that going to be
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  Speaker 4: a platoon possibly and then the others may be dagent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. I think that we have
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  Speaker 2: the advantage of, like we talked about earlier, having a
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  Speaker 2: lot of versatile players and having a lot of players
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  Speaker 2: who hit same side pitching pretty well, maybe less the
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  Speaker 2: case and right field and DH spot and that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: You can platoon in a couple spots and make it
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  Speaker 2: sort of a functional roster for Dan to work through.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what we'd anticipate, at least to start,
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  Speaker 2: if everybody's the best version of themselves. I think Railey
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  Speaker 2: and can Zone right playing right field and dhing against
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  Speaker 2: right handed pitching is probably how we'll go at least
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  Speaker 2: to start. Victor and ref Snyder, you know, playing right
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  Speaker 2: field in dhings left handed pitching, with the idea that
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  Speaker 2: if one player is playing particularly well, they'll probably get
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  Speaker 2: a little more reps. We're not going to lock it
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  Speaker 2: in and you know, just say, no matter what happens,
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  Speaker 2: it's one hundred and five games for this player and
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: sixty games for that player. That's not how baseball season works,
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  Speaker 2: but I think is a you know, as a standard,
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  Speaker 2: a foundation how you want to set your lineup is
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  Speaker 2: provide as many platoon advantages as you can over time.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Cal being a switch hitter and killing it
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  Speaker 2: from both sides to the plate helps a ton.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: We we have players that have specialties like Rob Raths
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  Speaker 2: Snyder killing left handed pitching, you know, can zone right
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  Speaker 2: hand and pitching. That gives us a big advantage every night,
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  Speaker 2: and we've plan to take it like full advantage of it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of the DH position and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Mariner fans, are you know who's going to be the DH?
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  Speaker 1: Who's going to be the DH? And you know, based
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  Speaker 1: off of your conversation, I would imagine that's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a rotating type of thing, at least theoretically to
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  Speaker 1: start the season. But you've got this prospect, another guy
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  Speaker 1: we haven't talked about a lot this week, but every
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  Speaker 1: day he's so nice. He walks in and out the
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  Speaker 1: doorway and he waves to us every day, and Bucky
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  Speaker 1: and he exchanged Spanish, you know, pleasantries, and he's about
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  Speaker 1: six foot nine, two and eighty nine looks like Carl Malone.
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  Speaker 1: So is Las Montes in this DH picture at some
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  Speaker 1: point this year or will he be starting power forward
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  Speaker 1: for you before the end of the year. Tell us
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  Speaker 1: about Monte.
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  Speaker 2: One of the Sonics coming back now. I think Laz
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  Speaker 2: could push his way into the mix at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the season. I don't anticipate that where Laz is
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  Speaker 2: at in his development, that he'd be a possibility to
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  Speaker 2: break camp early in the season. But he's a really
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  Speaker 2: unique talent. Obviously, power that you know, is at the
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  Speaker 2: uprow echelon of what big league players have, and he's
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  Speaker 2: twenty years old. We anticipate a really long, bright future
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  Speaker 2: for Laz as a corner outfielder, mixing in at the
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  Speaker 2: h as well. He's got some some hurdles to climb
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  Speaker 2: over still in the minor leagues, but it's a really
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  Speaker 2: unique talent. I think he's won the MVP at every
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: full season league he's ever played in, which.
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  Speaker 3: Is pretty unique.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, you know, and you know what he does, he
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  Speaker 2: does really well, and he keeps getting better at the
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: areas where maybe he has some growth ahead of him.
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  Speaker 2: So really excited to see how this camp goes. I
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  Speaker 2: think Lass will play a lot in this camp, and
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  Speaker 2: then you know, he'll start in the minor leagues and
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: we'll see where we go. We like I said when
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: we started with Cole, I just don't think it's a
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: good idea to put limits on players. I think you
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: send them the wrong message, and I think you send
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  Speaker 2: the organization the wrong message if you decide in February
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  Speaker 2: what lazz is ceiling, what Colt ceiling is for that year.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody's that good that they can
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  Speaker 2: make those decisions and do it smartly.
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  Speaker 1: I love that because it's a little bit of change
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  Speaker 1: where it used to be.
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  Speaker 3: No, you're approve it, son.
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  Speaker 1: But I love that that's where we are in the
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  Speaker 1: modern day, and I love that that's where you and
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  Speaker 1: your staff are.
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  Speaker 4: Just so you know where Las's head is at. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we just had a conversation. I said, what do you
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  Speaker 4: think this year? Forty forty dingers and he's like, I'm
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  Speaker 4: fifty fifty. I said, all right, thirty in the minor
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  Speaker 4: league's twenty in the big leagues. I'll sign up for that,
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  Speaker 4: he said, He nodded, and basically he agreed that that'd
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  Speaker 4: be Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm confident that if he hits fifty, they won't
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  Speaker 2: all be in the minor leagues.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, go ahead and do that. I'm with you
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  Speaker 4: on that one hundred percent. I mean moving to some
• 12:45
  Speaker 4: degree towards pitching a little bit. I mean I don't
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: want to you might have some other hitting stuff, but
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: I did want to go towards pitching because the idea
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: of adding the Parrera to the bullpen, I think is
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: a huge one. The dude has kind of a locomotive
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  Speaker 4: of a fastball. It looks like adding him to the
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  Speaker 4: mix with Gabe Spider to where he's not the only
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  Speaker 4: guy that has to get loose every time a tough
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  Speaker 4: left he comes up to the dish.
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  Speaker 3: What was your feelings on him?
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  Speaker 2: Really important for us? One just I think most good
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  Speaker 2: teams have a second lefty, and we weren't just looking
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: to add any second lefty. We were looking to add
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  Speaker 2: impact for us, particularly important five right handed starters. You
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  Speaker 2: get a lot of lineups that are stacked with lefties.
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  Speaker 2: The idea that Gabe has to get up in the
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  Speaker 2: fifth and then the sixth, and then the seventh every
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  Speaker 2: night whenever there's a possibility of a leverage moment coming
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  Speaker 2: that's really hard on him. He was unbelievable last year.
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  Speaker 2: We want to make sure we're doing the right thing
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  Speaker 2: for the team, and having sort of two real impact
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  Speaker 2: left handed arms and the bullpen every night will be
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  Speaker 2: great for our pitching group to work through. Obviously, Farrair
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  Speaker 2: has very unique qualities. It's, you know, a sinker that
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  Speaker 2: is sort of unlike any other It's a sinker at
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  Speaker 2: ninety seven ninety nine. We really really like to change
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: up in the slider as well. I think you'll see
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  Speaker 2: more of that as he gets through his outings with
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: us and mixing it in, maybe helping miss a few
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  Speaker 2: more bats. But we really think he's got a chance
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  Speaker 2: to be one of the elite left handed relievers in baseball.
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  Speaker 2: In giving us two of those guys is a really
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  Speaker 2: big advantage as we get into you know, October baseball hopefully.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll stay on pitching, but just a little aside
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  Speaker 1: from the Ferrera, I mean, you draft a Harry Ford,
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  Speaker 1: you develop a Harry Ford. He did everything you wanted
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  Speaker 1: him to do at the minor league level, and yet
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  Speaker 1: you've got cal Rawly blocking him from the future. So
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: even though I always viewed him as a tradeable piece,
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: a logical tradeable piece. It's gotta be tough to give
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: up a guy that you know you sort of nurtured
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: through this process.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: You're always emotionally invested in the guys that you draft
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: and develop. We wouldn't have traded Harry just to trade Harry.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense. There's a place on a
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: big league club for a good second catcher. I think
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: that the path is a little more narrow for us
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: just because caw is gonna catch one hundred and twenty
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: games a year. It's not a true fifty to fifty
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: time share. But Harry's a good enough player. We believed
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: in Harry. We thought he could help our big league team.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: We just believe the impact of Ferrera was going to
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: be greater for us. So willing to trade and trading
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: no matter what are two different things. We were willing
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: to make a trade to help our team get better.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: We weren't going to trade just to trade.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Are Hollander. Excuse me, Hollander. We're talking to Hollander. Are
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Anderson and Sloan like viable moves. Obviously, we want five
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: starting pitchers to stay healthy all season long. But I'm
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: wondering about the starting pitching depth. I would assume Hancocks
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: the next guy, uh the sixth man off the bench,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: But are Anderson and Slum like seventh and eighth men
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: based on the buzz that I'm hearing around here, that's.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: A little quick.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Obviously, Kate's never thrown a pitch in a professional game.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: He's just thrown out here and live VP the other
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: day for the first time. Could they be at the
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: end of the season again, I'll stick with my no
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: limits policy. Right sure, they could be right now. They're
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: not going to be on the depth chart to start
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: the season. Where we start and where we end are
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: usually two different places. They're certainly enough to be. What
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: we saw from both those guys and their live vps
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: was special, really unique. Their composure, their stuff, the strike throwing,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: the diversity of the repertoires. Those guys are going to
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: be really good, really soon. Whether that happens in July
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: or September or next May, I couldn't tell you. We
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: gotta keep them healthy, we got to keep their progression
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: going through the low miners into the upper miners. Once
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: you get to Arkansas, you know we've seen it with
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Bryce and Brian and George and Logan. Once you get
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: to Arkansas and start playing in Little Rock, you're on
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: the radar. So like, that's a conversation I think we'll
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: revisit once they get to that point.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: How happy are you about the health and whatnot of
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: the starting rotation? I mean, four years this team's been
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: a viable contender out there, and it's been in large
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: part because of that starting rotation dealt with some injuries
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: beginning even all the way down to the end of
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: the season.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Everybody healthy right now.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Everybody's healthy, thank god. Right now. This is the one
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: area where I will always probably lose sleep is waking
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: up in the middle of the night fearing that somebody's
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: gonna get hurt. You know, you're gonna have to tap
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: into your depth. You can never have too much depth.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: For that reason, I think last year was was a
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: tough one. You know, there were times when we're missing
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: two and then three of our five starters at various
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: points in the season. We hadn't had that in previous years.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: We sort of lived in the life that everybody else
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: had lived in last year, which is, you know, having
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: to happen to your depth. For not a week or
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: two at a time, but for months at a time.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Bryce Miller threw out here yesterday and looked awesome. He was,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: you know, ninety seven ninety eight with all the secondary
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: pitches working in the strike zone. Really impressive. How he's
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: come out of the gate so far this spring. Brian
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: looks great. George, same thing. Louie will get off the mound,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I believe today or tomorrow. He was a little bit
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: delayed just because he had a baby, and a little
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: beautiful baby girl, so they will. He was in camp
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: about five days late, So he'll get off the mountain,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I believe tomorrow and then. And Logan looks like Logan,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: so knock on wood. Everybody's healthy today, Please let's keep
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: him that way for the next seven months.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Everybody's having a baby around here.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I am not having any more babies, I can tell
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: you that.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: And I think I'm three months pregnant just being around all.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Don't drink the water.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Nothing going on. Justin Olander is with us a general
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: manager of the Mariner's a lot of things I'd like
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: to ask you about, but I believe, but we do
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: have to ask you about Josh Naylor because as long
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and arduous that process was, to sign off on the
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Cardinals deal for Donovan Naylor happened to no time flat.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: When did you know, after having seen him in a
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Mariner for the uniform for the first time, like, we
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: can't let this guy go, Jerry.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: It was a couple of weeks in. I think that
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: there was just an ease of the way handle things
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: in the clubhouse. I think it was about a week
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: after the dead line, so about two weeks into Josh
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: to stay where We're like, wow, this is a great fit.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: And obviously, if you have a player who fits in
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: your clubhouse, who's the right age, who does all the
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: small things well on top of the doing the big
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: things well, and loves to hit an our ballpark, it's
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: kind of a no brainer. Why would you go look
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: elsewhere if you have an option that's staring right in
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: front of you. Thrilled that Josh was willing and ready
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: to go get a deal done early this offseason, I
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: think it made our off season picture a lot clearer.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: You know, he he told us this is what I'm
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: willing to do. I'm not willing to do less than that.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I'm you know, I think this is fair. When a
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: player is that direct with you and says I want
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: to be here, it's incumbent upon us to try and
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: make it work if it fits as well as Joshad
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: this year, I'm really really appreciative of ownership of Jerry,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: of everyone for sort of recognizing where we were, what
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: we could get done right now, and our sort of
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: our overall Mariners organization, willingness to move fast.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: All right, I got my moment test on one more thing,
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: cal Rawley bottom line, and first of all, MVP got
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: screwed on that one. But whatever, We'll turn the page
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: and you go back to and do it. You're don't
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: set limitations, don't set ceilings. Eighty five to ninety homers
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: this year, That's what I'm thinking of him, what do
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: you think, Yeah, let's do it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Let's do let's do it. He doesn't put limitations on anything.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: That's what I was just gonna test it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's do it, and just the overall picture
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: before we let you go. I I mean, I've I've
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: covered this spring training for a year after year after year,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: with the COVID exceptions, it always feels like the message
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: is we're not quite done. Like the offseason sometimes creeps
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: into you know, well into March because of Scott Boris mainly,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: but there's there's always like something that seems a little
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: bit not quite complete. Don't judge us yet on what
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: we've done this offseason when we're here, but this feels complete.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: It feels like you guys are settled. It feels like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you guys believe this is the roster.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: And we can't not wait to go to battle with
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: it all. That's definitely true. I am certain we're gonna
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: keep looking around for ways to get better. I'm certain
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: we'll get into mid season and we'll want to do
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: more things, and at the deadline we'll want to add
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: another bullpen guy. Maybe we'll need a starter, maybe we'll
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: need another bat. You never know what's gonna come. I
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: wouldn't anticipate any like, you know, sort of like headline
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: additions for the US to the spring. I think that
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: getting Donovan done really did change the tenor of the
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: off season and really did make it feel like a
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: complete off season for US. Obviously, the waiting and sort
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: of hinging our off season on that it's sort of
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: made it a little nerve wracking as we went through it,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: but I do feel like this is as complete a
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: group as we've had going into the spring. It'll change.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Somebody's going to be better than we think, and somebody's
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: gonna be worse, and somebody's gonna be hurt. And I
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: think building depth over the course of the spring and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the early part of the season is really important, making
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: sure that we have our prospects ready to go. So
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: if we needed to contribute early, like it was in
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: twenty three with Bryce and Brian where we thought they
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: were going to spend most of their season a Double
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: A and May Bryce came to the big leagues and
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: the first week at June, Brian's here and it's like,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: oh so much for all that depth we had, because
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: now it's in the big league, so we will need
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: to do more things. For now, we're really thrilled with
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the team. We're running out there on the first day
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: of spring training.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, just to bring it to full circle,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, how do you do, dude? I need to
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: mark my groceries in the how like those these initial them?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Or sure? Am I in charge of cooking?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I mean we eat out a lot when the family's
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: not here, So get ready to go to zips for
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: some wings. We don't need healthy. Weaty out a lot.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Just make sure you throw the garbage out. I don't
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: like a lot.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I like to it.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Put the god food containers off the counter.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: You make the rules. I mean, you've been just so generous.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: We'll fold the launcher together. Oh wow to a Hermit song. Exactly.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Hey, great to see you. Thank you for host guys.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: We really appreciate it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Thanks.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I'm I mean, obviously, we're very excited about this upcoming season,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and I know you guys are as well. You guys
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: are floating around here.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: We're all really excited. I can't wait to get going today.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: All right, justin Hollander, right here on our spring training coverage.
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• 24:00
  Speaker 1: watch them curly. Is that not over yet? It's still
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  Speaker 1: going on.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's still going.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Oh man, yeah, John Stanton must be in hog Heaven
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  Speaker 1: right now. It is Chuck Powell, Buggy Jacobson with you
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: here from Peoria. It is our final day. We're still
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: gonna hear from Rob Refsnyder before the show comes to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a close. But certainly a lot of other things to discuss,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and look, I mean, it's been a very positive experience
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: and there's no doubt when you already feel good about
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the team, and then you get down here and you speak,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: spend a week with the player, and this happens in
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: training camp too. You almost add to your projected win
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: total just naturally because you get caught up in the hype.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: It's hard not to do. Frankly, I came in here
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: thinking this was a ninety four to ninety five win
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: team this year. You know, I've probably bumped it to
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: ninety six ninety seven based off of this week. Maybe
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I'll settle back down toward ninety five before we start
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the regular season. It is really hard not to get
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: hyped up about this squad. And then great conversation we
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: just had with Justin Hollander. But that said, I mean,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: this is all. We're not gonna sit here and tell
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Brian wooh stay healthy in our interviews. How dare you?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: You know? I mean, we're we're we're sort of in
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: a position of where, you know, we're talking about the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Mariners and we feel good about the team, and so
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: it's it's been mostly positive. So we do need to
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: spend some time on whether or not we have concerns
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: about this team. Where the concerns lie for this team
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: if there's anything out there that stands out to you,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: what would it be?
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Oh boy, I mean borring health. I don't have a
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: ton of concerns. I mean, I think JP Crawford, which
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: version are we getting a JP? Because I think he's
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: a really good short of great, but a really good shortstop,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: makes the regular plays and also grinds out at bats
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: in the bottom of your order to flip that thing over,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: you know, plays with the fire that you want your
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: team to play with. I think that he brings something table.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Now we've seen seasons that he just isn't the JP.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: He isn't that dude, And I think that I want
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: to see that for sure. I don't know if i'd
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: call it a concern. It's just more of like my
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: eyes are open or my ears are up to see
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: that Cole Young. I guess if he's the guy that
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: is in pole position to be second base, that probably
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: would be my main concern if.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I call it that.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: And yet I saw some stuff out of him that
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I can see why he was a first rounder. I
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: also saw some stuff out of him last year that
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: made me, you know, just recognize how young he is
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: and that there's still some growing pains that are going
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: to happen with him. So, if I had to say,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: probably my overarching biggest concern would be, which is how
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: much did Cole Young grow over the offseason, not physically grow,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: but grow as a baseball player. And what are we
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: going to be getting if he's going to be your
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: starting second baseman start the year.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Justin Hollander couldn't have spoke his praise
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: as any louder. I mean, he's the.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: He made it clear.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I wasn't clear until he just chat with Justin Hollander.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: He's the starting second baseman right now. Doesn't mean they
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: will hold on to that job, but he is definitely
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the heavy front runner and they have, I mean, they've
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: always really liked him. I think they believe he's got
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: a huge floor and a higher ceiling than what others
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: might suspect as well. So he seems to be in
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the catbird seat right now as the starting second basement
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: for this team. I think if I have to point
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: to one concern, because I think the bullpen might be
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the best bullpen that they've assembled on paper since in
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the Jerry Depoto era. On paper doesn't mean it's going
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: to be executed that way. Obviously, the starting rotation is
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: still to me the strength of the team. And yet
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: they did have some injuries, and maybe you don't have
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the starting pitching depth without Logan Evans that maybe you've
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: had in past years. So maybe that's a little bit
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: of a concern, but I think every team in Major
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: League Baseball has that concern. So and then from an
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: offensive standpoint, maybe the back of the lineup could be
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: a little more certain the seven, eight to nine in
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the order, but the heart of the order is to me,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I mean one through six is the best that we've
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: seen with this organization since I moved here eleven years ago.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: So if I'm gonna point out one concern, I think
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go defense. And we haven't talked
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: about this. It's something that hasn't really been discussed a
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: lot here this week or all off season, as good
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: as the thing looks that has been assembled. I mean,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: you are giving Brendan Donovan the starting third base job.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: He's never held down a starting third base job before. Now.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Granted he's been behind Nolan Aernado, so you're not gonna
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: bump Nolan Aernado, one of the greatest defensive third basement
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: of all time out of that position, so that Brendan
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Donovan gets his reps. But through his own acknowledgment on
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: our show, it's a little right now, it doesn't feel great,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That's what Donovan told us. But it's early here in camp,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and and I'm sure working with Perry Hill that I'm
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: gonna get a customed shortstop. JP Crawford is really solid
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: making the routine plays, but he's got some of the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: worst defensive metrics in the sport in terms of his
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: range from left to right and defensive run saved. Cole
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: young Is wasn't a whiz at second base last year.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: He even had some throwing complications at times. Josh Naylor
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: looked terrific at first base, but historically doesn't have the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: reputation of a great defensive first baseman or Andy Rose.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Arena isn't left man. That's a that's an adventure. And
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: then in right field it's going to be a platoon situation.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So I think when Rayley and Roblaze are out there,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I'm good, But dom canzone's a little bit of a
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: question mark. I think ref Schnyder's better than what people
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: understand as a defenser. But that's a lot. I mean,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: that's nearly every position on the field where there's a concern,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: with the exception of catcher and center field, there's pretty
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: much a concern at nearly every position on the field defensively.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I suppose. I mean the the word concern.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: I mean to me, it's how do you you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: how how do you split that?
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: How do you how do you put it?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Is it just that?
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm my antennas are up. I'm going to be
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: paying attention to this because I could see the possibility
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: of this not being great or not being good or
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: is it that I have the concern of it being bad? See,
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: that's where to me it's like JP, I'm with him.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: I mean JP does not have the typical explosion that
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: you think of a middle infielder. He's not explosive, but
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: he's pretty damn consistent on balls that you should make
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: a play on, and a lot of them, especially the
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: ones that you're coming in and you got to get
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: rid of that thing quick, really good at those right,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: and he understands where he's supposed to be. I think
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: that he's fairly heady on moving with where what the
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: pitch is, where he thinks they may hit it, as
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: far as being a little bit, you know, thinking one
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: move ahead with his positioning, which all of a sudden
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: plays into his It plays into his his defensive metrics,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: even though it won't show up in the statue. Right
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: if you all of a sudden move a half a
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: step towards the six hole because you know that Logan's
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: throwing that slider right here and you think it's gonna
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: get rolled over in the six hole, well then you
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: can get to that ball and he can make that play.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: Whereas if you don't make if you don't get over there,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: with his lack of explosion, he doesn't make that play.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: I think, Cole Young I saw. I remember more.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Of the splashy, diving, amazing plays. Then I remember, oh boy,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: that's a routine ball. You got to make that play,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? I remember it felt like
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: now was he perfect? No, not being stretched. I'm with
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: you on the concern with Donovan just not having been
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: at third base hardly at all as of late, and
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: let alone playing it on a regular basis. Now, he's
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: the one that came out and said we got Perry Hill,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: and so I'm feeling pretty darn good about who I
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: got helping me adjust from playing mostly second base to
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: now locking down the hot corner. And Naylor I don't
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: really have much of a concern for, even though you know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: statistically maybe he's not your gold glove or platinum glove
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: first basement over there, he's gonna make the place. I
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: feel like he's gonna be ready to make the place.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: You're right around to. Roserena can be a circus out there,
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: but at times he makes unbelievable plays. It's just whether
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: or not he's turned on between the years. And then
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: right field I think would probably be my one, where
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: like you said, Canzonne at times, you know, looks like
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: he's running on his heels, and so I have.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: You're pretty much acknowledging everything I just said that there
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: are I mean, there's not a got with the exception
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: of center field and catcher. And then I'll go a
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: little bit first base. I think we're pretty sure about
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: first base. I mean, that's a lot to just acknowledge, like, okay, yeah,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: those are some concerns there. That's like five positions out
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: of eight that you're throwing out there on the field
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: on every given day. So am I concerned enough to
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: drop my wind total from you know, ninety six down
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: to eighty five. No, But if there is an area
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: where you have more questions than you have answers, it's
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: the defense of this team.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm with you. I guess that's just where the
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: difference is. I recognize what you're saying to me. It's
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: the concern I mean, I don't. I don't feel that
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: there's a drop off. I just one of those yes,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: I don't. You're probably not gonna have a ton of
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: gold Glovers, you know. I think Julio could probably sniper one.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Cal could probably sniper one. JP has before, and yet
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: I don't necessarily see that in the future.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I don't need you to be gold Glove. I just
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: need you to be good Glove.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: I just need you to make the player you're supposed
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: to make with behind this pitching staff and don't make
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: them go out there and get four outs in any.
• 33:42
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  Speaker 1: bit better coming up here at eight o'clock. But there
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  Speaker 1: are some other things going on in the world, and
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: of course, so we do believe, even though it's getting
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: harder to believe that the announcement is coming that the
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Seattle SuperSonics will be returning to the NBA. But right now,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: NBA's got some really difficult things, that little challenges that
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: they're going up against. And yesterday Adam Silver made it
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: very clear, and this should be no surprise to anyone.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: He just does not like the idea that you're sending
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to the message to the fan bases that between load
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: management and tanking that the NBA is not putting its
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: best foot forward for its fans every single night. And
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: so I'm not sure there's anything he can really do
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: more about load management, because that's more of a strategy
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: that behind the scenes they believe is for the fans.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: But tanking's a whole different world, and so no matter
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: what they do to the lottery process, they can't stop
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: teams from tanking, and more and more teams seem to
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: be tanking every year. There's a belief that a third
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: of the league's trying to lose on purpose right now
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: to improve their lottery position coming up in the offseason.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And so yesterday threw out a number of different scenarios
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: where they might try to crack down on this. But
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: he has made it very clear to the league this
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: will not continue. We will break the whole system in
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: order to come up with a significant enough rule that
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: keeps people from trying to lose games on purpose to
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: give them a more advantageous draft position. And so expect
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the unexpected this offseason. I think that, I really think
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: he's going to open it up to one of the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: greatest brainstorming sessions and the history of sports this offseason
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: try to find a full proof way to keep teams
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: from losing on purpose.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how you do it, because
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: it's one of those I mean, they're okay, was that misshot?
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Was that because they're doing it on purpose? Was that
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: you know, business decision of not playing this player. Is
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: that for load management or is that because he's actually injured,
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: or is that just flat out tanking like were we
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: witnessed with the five hundred thousand dollars fine put on
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: the Jazz after they basically had a huge lead and
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: just pulled everybody out and didn't play him second half.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I obviously trying to lose the game. There's got to
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: be consequences for that. I hope they do. I hope
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: they don't. They pull all the stops. I hope that
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: they do whatever they have to do, because it's unbecoming
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: to the to the sport, it's unbecoming to any league.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't care if it's you know, my kids,
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: you know, little little kids youth basketball league, if there
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: was some team that was trying to garner advantage the
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: following year by by tanking games, it's just like, what
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: are you doing?
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: What are you teaching these children?
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: And so in this case, like what are you putting
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: out into the basketball universes. Well, we're not good enough
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: to win at all, So we're gonna be as bad
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: as possible, and you know, nothing you can do about it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: There's got to be something you can do about it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. I like the idea of,
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: you know, some sort of tournament. If you don't make it,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: then you got to play in a tournament, and the
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: winner of that. But then again, there might be teams
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: that then are on the bubble of playing into the
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: tournament that are like, well, I'd much rather lose here
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: at the end so that I can win the you know,
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: almost like rest yourself during the regular season, so you
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: get into the lottery tournament if you will, because I'd
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: rather play in that than the actual playoff tournament.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: And so there might be some league, some executives that
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: want that, But it's hard for me to believe that
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a player's going to want to do that, you know
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like like I could either play in
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the playoffs or play for a better lottery position for
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: my organization, and I might not even be on this
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: team next year. For goodness, Say.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you when it comes to tanking in general.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: That's my always He's my biggest hiccup is I don't
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: think the players necessarily are going to do at least
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I don't think so. There's a lot of them that
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: now are gambling on different things, and maybe they do
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: want to suck, but for the most part, I'm like,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: it's an organizational thing where it's like, boy, we can
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: really change our our fortune as an organization if we
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: can just get that number one guy or that number
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: one guy because yeah, one extra guy, one big time
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: draft pick, and you can go from not very good
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: to really good real quickly in a hurry.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there has even been talk about at
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: a certain point in the season you have a separate
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: standings where you start rewarding teams. I mean, maybe it's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: not a tournament like I've suggested and Reckless at Breakfast
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: in the past because of some variables that would still
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: be uncontrollable. But maybe you do get to the trading deadline,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: or maybe you get to the All Star break or
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: some designated part in the season where all of a
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: sudden you say, okay, we're now going to start keeping
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: lottery standings separate from your normal standings. But walls they're
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: gonna start keeping. And now, whoever wins the most games
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: out of these crappy teams is going to get the
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: number one pick. So and you have to win in
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: order to get the lottery. Not playoff teams, of course,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: but you sort of, you know, you designate a certain
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: you know, portion of your league. Maybe it's the bottom
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: ten leagues at the trading deadline or at the NBA
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: All Star Game the bottom ten teams, and then those
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: bottom ten teams they have to win in order to
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: get the top lottery pick for the rest of the season.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: And if they win so much that they make it
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: into the playoffs, so be it. If you can thread
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that needle, good for you, Good on you. Oh damn it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: We won so many games we made the playoffs. This
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: is a crying shame. We wanted the number one pick.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: But if you can thread that needle, we're winning on
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: purpose is a lot harder than losing on purpose.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, so.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's something that they do entertain so you can
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: do it in the regular season. You don't make a
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: postseason out of it. You just say, these ten teams
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: for the rest of the year, they're the only ones
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: that have a shot at the number one pick, but
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: they've got to win in order to do it. Yeah,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: maybe that's what you do, you know, because whatever they're
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: doing now is not working. It's terrible for the league,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: it's terrible for the fan bases. And yet the draft
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: is obviously a huge part about, you know, trying to
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: restore your organization, and it's very difficult to bridge the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: gap between championship contender and bad basketball team. It's the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: most difficult gap to try to overcome. And teams like
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma City did it and look where they're sitting right now,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: looks like they're gonna be championship contenders for the next decade.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: So whatever they come up with, it's gonna have to
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: look like unlike anything we've ever seen in sports. And
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: they need to exhaust every effort to try to figure
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: out the best way for us to get from to
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: get from where we're at right now, to not encouraging
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: teams losing on purpose, because it is just anti sports.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: It's just anti sports, that's all there is to it.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't ever want to get rid of
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the draft in any sport. I love the draft, but man,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: we can get rid of these damn lotteries tomorrow. They're stupid.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah I'm not a fan.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just dumb and they and not to mention,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: they look rigged all the time too. This would also
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: fix that issue as well. If you had to win
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: in order to get the top pick in the draft
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: at a certain point in the year, that's something that
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I think they ought to consider.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: They most certainly should consider.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Well, you've got to consider something, because right now we
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: were at with Vince the other day, your buddy that
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: you worked with here in Arizona, and he was saying
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: at a Sun's game that he saw some sign and
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: I said, I traveled six thousand miles to watch Devin
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Booker and he wasn't playing like it wasn't because he
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: was hurt. He's just like, Nope, not gonna play there.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: You could only go so far in doing you know what,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: in the fans, in your in the faces of your
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: fans without it coming back to haunt you. And they
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: better fix something real quick in a hurry.
• 43:17
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