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A Ridiculous History of Tupperware · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so
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  Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Uh, let's hear it. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: a let's you know what, let's get a tupperware purp
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  Speaker 1: for our super producer, mister Max Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Gross, no picture a tupperware purp. That is not right.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, do you do what?
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  Speaker 1: You're an old brown I've been bullets, yeah, breath, breath, tupperware.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, oh yeah, okay, yeah, there's that.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about the elephant the room, and it
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  Speaker 3: has to be Oblivion.
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  Speaker 2: Oblivion.
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  Speaker 1: We're recording on Tuesday, April twenty second, twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: about eleven am local time. And uh during this time,
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  Speaker 1: during this recording, uh, we have asked our pal Max
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  Speaker 1: to pull some double duty and keep an eye on
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  Speaker 1: the news regarding Bethesda's latest re release of Oblivion, which
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  Speaker 1: is a game we enjoy.
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  Speaker 3: Also, jumping real quick, the serious thing that I actually
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  Speaker 3: wanted to put up here on the top. Happy four
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  Speaker 3: years boys?
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 3: Hey?
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  Speaker 2: For twenty was four years of me on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh nice, Yeah, congratulations to you, Max, and happy for
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  Speaker 2: twenty and happy Jesus' rebirthday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, step aside, Pope Francis, there's bigger news.
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  Speaker 2: I think he did step aside in a terminal kind
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  Speaker 2: of sense. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've we've been going back and forth about you know,
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  Speaker 1: the news is crazy these days, it's chaotic. People are
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  Speaker 1: in uncertain times, and so we decided off air that
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  Speaker 1: we were going to look into some stuff that is
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily breaking news, but a story that needs to
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  Speaker 1: be told. With the help of our research associate Ren Fellow,
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous historians, Noel Max and I are going to do
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  Speaker 1: some justice to the world of tupperware. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: tell you a story of an unsung hero you may
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  Speaker 1: not have heard of up to this point. Her name,
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  Speaker 1: real name, Brownie Wise. I think it's a cool name.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very cool name. It seems like a concept
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  Speaker 2: like being Brownie Wise. You know, a good brownie when
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  Speaker 2: you see it. Ben, you know, I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 2: I think whenever I hear the word tupperware, aside from
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  Speaker 2: you know, keeping my leftovers fresh is the idea of
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  Speaker 2: a Tupperware party? Yeah, I think we're gonna explore that
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  Speaker 2: a little bit today. And number two, that scene in
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  Speaker 2: Napoleon Dynamite where Uncle Rico is selling tupperware and he
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  Speaker 2: enlists I think Napoleon and Pedro to help out, and
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  Speaker 2: he does a thing where he like runs over a
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  Speaker 2: piece of tupperware. No, I know who it is. It's
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  Speaker 2: Napoleon's brother runs over a piece of tupperware in a
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  Speaker 2: van and it breaks, and then he just runs away
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  Speaker 2: or he drives away. That was the thing that I
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  Speaker 2: always remember hearing, like it's indestructible, this this tupperware.
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  Speaker 1: I love that we're bringing up film because I think
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  Speaker 1: of I want to say it was Edward Scissorhands. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: there like a tupperware party scene in there?
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  Speaker 2: It seems like there would be. It was very much
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  Speaker 2: about Suburbia. It was I think, well they did. The
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  Speaker 2: main character played by Dan we is a what is
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  Speaker 2: it Avon Avon lady. That's what it came. Ball mark
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  Speaker 2: of Suburbia was the Avon calling and the tupperware part,
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  Speaker 2: the direct marketing. Yeah, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: As Ren points out, if you have a plastic container
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  Speaker 1: that you use to store leftovers in your fridge or
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  Speaker 1: you know, in your bread basket or whatever. You probably
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  Speaker 1: casually referred to it as tupperware. In the United States.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of those things that became a universal name
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  Speaker 1: like xerox or to Google, or band aid or Kleenex
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  Speaker 1: or you know, Frisbee, even a coke you know sometimes yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the old soda pop. And right now we're coming to
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  Speaker 1: you from the past. We want to rip off the
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  Speaker 1: band aid first and let you know that Tupperware as
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  Speaker 1: an organization, filed for bankruptcy in the fall of twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: Say it ain't so.
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  Speaker 1: I wish we could say it ain't so. Maybe it overturn.
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  Speaker 1: But in the Halcyon salad days, this company, NOL Tupperware
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  Speaker 1: was known for that business model we're describing and comparing
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  Speaker 1: to Avon. It relied upon people that you would describe
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  Speaker 1: as housewives, right, and they're often, unfortunately a population that
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  Speaker 1: is treated as though they were on the margins. And
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  Speaker 1: the idea was, look, we're not going to put this
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  Speaker 1: stuff immediately in stores. We're going to build a community
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  Speaker 1: around these products.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're selling an image with their stackable measuring
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  Speaker 2: cups and plastic pictures and party ware and you know,
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  Speaker 2: things for storing your leftovers. And it's sort of like
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  Speaker 2: pitched as this sort of innovative, sort of futuristic solution.
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  Speaker 2: This is back when, like if I'm not mistaken, plastic
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  Speaker 2: was still seen as kind of like a technological marvel.
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  Speaker 1: A real up and comer right in comparison to it.
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  Speaker 1: It's also ran material bake light for anybody who remembers
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  Speaker 1: bake like. So, look, we're all accustomed to story leftovers, hopefully.
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  Speaker 1: I know some people have some strong opinions about leftovers,
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  Speaker 1: but you know me, nol, I'm like a reduce, reuse,
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  Speaker 1: recycled kind of guy. So when I order takeout food
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  Speaker 1: or something, I do prioritize places that will give me
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  Speaker 1: reusable containers, so you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll work through them and they'll eventually crack
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  Speaker 2: and stuff and I'll throw them away, but I definitely
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  Speaker 2: get use out of good quality to go containers. If
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  Speaker 2: you're looking for some real good ones in the Atlanta area,
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  Speaker 2: there's a local chain called Fresh to Order, and their
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  Speaker 2: plastic containers are second to none. I've got stacks and
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  Speaker 2: stacks of them as re inputs. It tumbling out of
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  Speaker 2: my kitchen cabinet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at me. Just we're an audio podcast. But
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  Speaker 1: as you know, Noel MX, I reuse glass pasta jars
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  Speaker 1: as cups for coffee.
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  Speaker 2: You're a beljar man. Thank you. I'm going to take
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  Speaker 2: that as a compliment. We have a look.
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  Speaker 1: We all know the plastic container game here in the
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  Speaker 1: modern US, and we do often refer to those containers
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  Speaker 1: to your earlier point as tupperware, even if they're not
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  Speaker 1: technically tupperware. The reason this phrase and concept became so
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  Speaker 1: ubiquitous is not necessarily due to the inventor of tupperware.
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  Speaker 1: This is why we're on a mission in today's episode.
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  Speaker 1: We come to you to defend the reputation of a writer,
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  Speaker 1: a divorced mother, a brilliant mind, Brownie Wise.
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  Speaker 2: Brownie Wise, he said it earlier, the protagonist of our
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  Speaker 2: story versus, if we must, the big of our story,
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  Speaker 2: the guy tupper himself, the guy.
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  Speaker 1: Who invented, in a burst of humility, tupperware.
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  Speaker 2: Tupperware. But first, Ben, let's talk a little bit about plastic.
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  Speaker 2: Not just any plastic, okay, polyethylene.
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  Speaker 1: It's science, yeah, yeah, and it's science that is driven
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  Speaker 1: by necessity, right, the mother of invention. Travel back with us,
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  Speaker 1: fellow ridiculous historians. It's nineteen thirty seven. The Great Depression,
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  Speaker 1: which is still a terrible name, is very much in play.
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  Speaker 1: People are having just the roughest time. I remember, you know,
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  Speaker 1: history is always closer than it appears in the rear
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  Speaker 1: view mirror.
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  Speaker 2: Noel.
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  Speaker 1: Recently, after death in the family, I was going through
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  Speaker 1: some things at an estate and I found a cabinet.
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  Speaker 2: It's so weird.
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  Speaker 1: I found a cabinet that had in the back of
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  Speaker 1: it a collection of small rolled up string because they
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to throw away the string. In the nineteen thirties,
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  Speaker 1: they thought they might need it again.
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  Speaker 2: It was a frugal time, and you know, with everyone
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  Speaker 2: struggling to make ends meet, including companies you know, who
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  Speaker 2: were having our times selling their goods because people just
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  Speaker 2: couldn't afford to buy it. It's a sort of chain
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  Speaker 2: reaction that triggered a lot of companies going out of business.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, so while today maybe we couldn't picture a
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  Speaker 2: world without microplastics, you know, in plastics, the children and
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  Speaker 2: everything in all the things. Yeah, at the time, like
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  Speaker 2: we were saying, it was quite a new innovation in
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  Speaker 2: the day of Tupper, and companies were really eager to
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  Speaker 2: start to spin this new miracle material into gold. So
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  Speaker 2: Tupper was hired at a plastics factory, Ben, I believe
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  Speaker 2: you found the actual company name.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, it's our our old friends at Dupond.
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  Speaker 2: Oh we've heard of them. They were kind of first
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  Speaker 2: to market in the old plastics game.
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  Speaker 1: They do a lot of material science, and they're also
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  Speaker 1: finding uses for various fossil fuel products of petros eight
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  Speaker 1: of course, right, yeah, all a pnopoly of products. We
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  Speaker 1: want to give a big shout out to Professor Marcia
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  Speaker 1: Bryant's writing for The Conversation back in twenty eighteen from
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  Speaker 1: Slag to Swag, the story of Earl Tupper's fantastic plastic. So,
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  Speaker 1: like you're saying, this guy, he's having a hard time,
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  Speaker 1: as is most of the American population, and he gets
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  Speaker 1: hired by a DuPont affiliated plastic company, plastics company to
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  Speaker 1: test prototypes. And look, he is not in a silver
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  Speaker 1: spoon situation. Earl Tupper at this point is not the
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  Speaker 1: villain of our story. Instead, he's a man trying to
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  Speaker 1: answer a question that he knows is common for so
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  Speaker 1: many people struggling with a challenging economy. He says, Look,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard enough to buy groceries. Less than half of
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  Speaker 1: America can afford a refrigerator. People are growing their own
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  Speaker 1: food in their backyard out of desperation. Surely there's a
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  Speaker 1: way that we could preserve food so it doesn't go
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  Speaker 1: to waste. And he came up with this idea. He said,
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  Speaker 1: what if we made a container out of this plastic
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  Speaker 1: that these DuPont guys are pigeon?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And I was just going to say,
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  Speaker 2: if it seems like you missed an opportunity for a
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  Speaker 2: good slogan here.
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  Speaker 1: Stretch your supper with Tupper, Ah stretcher supper with Tupper
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  Speaker 1: stretched their supper stood out to me as well in
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  Speaker 1: Wren's research. That's that's a really good turn of phrase. Look,
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  Speaker 1: the issue was the material science wasn't quite there yet.
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  Speaker 1: The existing substances that Tupper was working with were not
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  Speaker 1: super ductile.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like uncle, because probably less than a subpar plastic containers.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, granted he probably shouldn't run over regular typeware
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  Speaker 2: with a van either, but it would crack when under
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  Speaker 2: pressure in even before it reached market. In the molding process.
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  Speaker 2: It was a flaw of the way this plastic that
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  Speaker 2: they were using was being manufactured.
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  Speaker 1: So this guy is looking for his golden goose, right,
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  Speaker 1: the holy grail, the next step in material science, and
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  Speaker 1: he starts taking little pieces of different types of plastic
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  Speaker 1: home and experimenting on his own time, you know, off
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  Speaker 1: the books. He eventually lands upon something called polyethylene. Nobody
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  Speaker 1: had thought to test polyethylene for its ductility because it
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  Speaker 1: was considered a byproduct. It was considered kind of a
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  Speaker 1: trash plastic people, kind of like.
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  Speaker 2: Bacon back in the day of Edward Burnet's. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like the idea that you could a by product like
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  Speaker 2: bacon of a slaughtering process, a manufacturing process to create
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  Speaker 2: pork chops or pork products, and what was seen as
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  Speaker 2: something that to be discarded or as like trash meat
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  Speaker 2: in that situation was ultimately spun into a marketing miracle
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  Speaker 2: by Edward Burnet's early stuff that I want you to
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  Speaker 2: know episodes about the Father of Marketing there you can
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  Speaker 2: check out. But this is even more like a functional thing,
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  Speaker 2: this byproduct that was referred to by the folks that
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're manufacturing this stuff as slag. Tupper saw
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  Speaker 2: something in it, literally, the idea that it could potentially
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  Speaker 2: be more durable and be molded because of some properties
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  Speaker 2: that he found in it when kind of digging into
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  Speaker 2: the samples that he brought back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is to be fair, after he's taken
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  Speaker 1: multiple samples of things we will call slag in the
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  Speaker 1: plastics industry and tested them at home. So travel with
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  Speaker 1: us to Tupper's kitchen. He's at home in his kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: and like you were saying, no, he says, wow, this polyethylene.
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  Speaker 1: It is stinky. It is slag, but you can melt it,
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  Speaker 1: and his kitchen probably smelled terrible. If we're being honest
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  Speaker 1: at this point. You can melt it and you can
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  Speaker 1: put it into a mold and it's not going to break.
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  Speaker 1: This is where he starts returning to the you know,
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  Speaker 1: to his day job and saying, guys, let's call it
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  Speaker 1: poly t material of the future.
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  Speaker 2: The issue now is.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So we got two issues. First, the issue is
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  Speaker 1: the smell. Second, the if you haven't thought about the smell. Second,
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  Speaker 1: the issue is the lid. Right now, we can make
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  Speaker 1: a bowl. How do we make a lid?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is confusing to me. Maybe you can
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  Speaker 2: help shed some light on this, the idea that there
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  Speaker 2: was a catch that, like, you know, people were used
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  Speaker 2: to just closing a bell jar, a Mason jar with
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  Speaker 2: a screw top, but there was like a an extra step.
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  Speaker 2: I guess before you were storing your stuff. I guess
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  Speaker 2: you wanted to get the air out of it, or
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  Speaker 2: get as much air out as possible, so you had
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  Speaker 2: to burp the seal, and it was tough. Smithsonian Magazine
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  Speaker 2: points out for people who were accustomed to glass jars
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  Speaker 2: and ceramic containers to kind of figure this out. And
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'm just spoiled by a life of luxury surrounded
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  Speaker 2: by Tupperware, But I guess I don't understand the I know,
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  Speaker 2: a Tupperware burp is referred to as the sound that
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  Speaker 2: it makes when that seal is released, But what does
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  Speaker 2: this mean? The idea that like you had to burp it, it.
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  Speaker 1: Really means you had to teach the population how to
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  Speaker 1: use the product. And I love that we're pointing out
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  Speaker 1: Smithsonian because Kat Eschner did some fantastic work in her
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  Speaker 1: article The Story of Brownie Wise, the ingenious marketer behind
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  Speaker 1: the Tupperware Party Light spoiler. It makes sense. We've talked
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  Speaker 1: about it before. With other big rollouts of new products,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of have to teach the people or normalize
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  Speaker 1: the consumer base towards certain behaviors. So, like you were saying, Noel,
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  Speaker 1: if you are used to canning, right, you got your
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  Speaker 1: mason jar and you got your screwtop lid, you already
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  Speaker 1: know about soda at this point, and how to open
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  Speaker 1: cans right the can opener as an invention already the
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  Speaker 1: people who are making tupperware are trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: how to teach folks this extra step. You've got to
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  Speaker 1: leverage up one corner of the container and then push
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  Speaker 1: down a little bit to get that excess air out.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it is for sure, yep. And then you
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  Speaker 2: know and it's not like required, but he was pitching
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  Speaker 2: this as a tried and true method for getting the
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  Speaker 2: most out of your preservation right of your food. So
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  Speaker 2: a good example too is if you used to maybe
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  Speaker 2: using plastic wrap. I learned this back when I first
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  Speaker 2: worked in a restaurant in my in my younger days.
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  Speaker 2: But you put plastic wrap on the top of the thing,
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  Speaker 2: and you're supposed to push it down so that the
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  Speaker 2: air gets forced out of the sides, and it almost
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  Speaker 2: creates like a vacuum seal where it kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: bows inward a little bit. It's just a simpler method
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  Speaker 2: of doing say what like a vacuum sealer food saver
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  Speaker 2: situation does, where it literally sucks all the air out.
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  Speaker 2: But by lifting that lid and pushing down a little
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  Speaker 2: bit and forcing that air out, you're gonna do exactly
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  Speaker 2: what the best possible sales pitch for this thing was,
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  Speaker 2: preserve your food for longer.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where we introduce our protagonist Max a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of protagonist music, if we may, for the
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  Speaker 1: one the only Brownie Wise, while not the inventor of
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  Speaker 1: what we call Tupperware, Brownie Wise is I would argue
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  Speaker 1: the reason Tupperware is still considered a thing today.
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  Speaker 2: For sure. She had a vision.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she has a vision. She knows how to speak
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  Speaker 1: with the people, right and at this time, tupper they're
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  Speaker 1: calling the new invention the wonder Bull. And you've probably
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  Speaker 1: seen a picture of this or you've probably you might
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  Speaker 1: have one in your cabinet. Now let's learn a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about Brownie Wise.
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  Speaker 2: She is from Georgia, that's right, rural Georgia born in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen thirteen. A bit of a mystery in terms of
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  Speaker 2: her backstory. We do know that she dropped out of
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  Speaker 2: school at the age of fourteen to work with her
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  Speaker 2: mother as an organizer for union, the hat makers Union,
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  Speaker 2: And from a very very early age she had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of drive. She was a dreamer. She had that
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  Speaker 2: vision very early on. She wanted to be a writer
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  Speaker 2: and an illustrator. And in nineteen thirty six she won
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  Speaker 2: a chance to paint a mural at the Texas Centennial,
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  Speaker 2: which is call back to another Rent episode, a World's
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  Speaker 2: Fair exhibition.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff. And while she's in Texas for this fair,
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  Speaker 1: she meets a guy named Robert and she kind of
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  Speaker 1: digs them, and later they get married. Robert is in
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  Speaker 1: charge of an exhibit for the Ford Motor Company at
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  Speaker 1: the World's Fair or at the Texas Centennial. When they
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  Speaker 1: get together, picture every amazing rom com meet you you've
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  Speaker 1: ever seen. They eventually have one child, Jerry, and then
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  Speaker 1: they move to Detroit. While they're in Detroit, Brownie Wise,
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  Speaker 1: who was always a very talented writer and illustrator, we
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  Speaker 1: know that she would contribute to a column called Experience
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  Speaker 1: published in Detroit News. It's a reader's forum wherein people
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  Speaker 1: write under different pseudonyms like jin wis so uh no,
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  Speaker 1: Canci get it uh and hippity hop.
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  Speaker 2: Way ahead of his time. They invented hip hop back
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  Speaker 2: in Detroit in the thirties. So whys had her own
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  Speaker 2: pen name, and it was Hibiscus. That just sounds very
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  Speaker 2: southern and genteel Hibiscus and Hibiscus, as I guess in
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  Speaker 2: the role in the character, that the sort of lore
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  Speaker 2: she was stilled the world building, uh huh. She had
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  Speaker 2: a devoted husband by the name of Yankee. Despite his
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: unwavering love, She missed her family mansion back home in Mississippi.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Oh how long? How long for the indeed, with a
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: mint julib on the porch, the conveniences, as she put it,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: of a Southern bell. Hibiscus and Wise were very much
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: too completely different. Becau's not the real story. This is
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: so funny. It's sad.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: It's so sad because Hibiscus, although Brownie Wise is writing
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: this character, Hibiscus is not real and Brownie is leading
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a very different life.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Her husband Robert.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: From this centennial that we talked about earlier. He is
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: nothing like the strapping Yankee. He is addicted to booze.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: He is also abusive. Eventually the couple divorces. It's nineteen
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: forty two, so divorce is still very unfair to women
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in this country for sure. And now she's a single mother.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: She's still got Jerry. Like you said, she has dropped out.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have too much formal education to speak of.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: It's the height.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Of World War two, so things are already not great again,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and she's working multiple it's like a gig economy, right,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: she has coperate jobs.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: And then she finds her way to sort of a
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: proto version of the business model that we're are really
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: you know, getting to the idea of being a door
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: to door salesman. You know, you hear a lot more
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: of our salesperson rather I go. You hear a lot
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: more about that business model from this air aisle. You
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: think about death of a salesman, for example the Tennessee
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Williams play, and just the idea of like being a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: vacuum cleaner salesman, where you like bring the little bag
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: of dirt and pour it on the ground and then
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: like show how you can vacuum it up or whatever.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sell it encyclopedias or knives, or there's a great
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: documentary now parody selling clobes. One of the uh, I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: don't know if I told you guys, one of the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: weirdest comedy sketches I ever wrote was you know how
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you love to take a notion or a dumb initial
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: idea and just see how four you can go with it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pitch it to you guys now, door to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: door door salesman. Yeah, it's like buying luggage at the airport.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you for the support of that one.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if I can jump in here real quick, We've
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: already referenced one timber in film, so I think we
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: should reference another one, which is a big fish. Which
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: in Big Fish Ewan McGregor's character, who's like the younger
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: father thing. Watch the movie. He sells door to door
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: like it's a hand that holds things because the fish
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: is always is kind of a movie that's like a
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: little bit off and one of my favorite things about
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: because obviously I came out after Edwards Scissorhands. They were
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: very intentional because the thing was the hand would hold
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: a bunch of different things. They made sure for it
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: to never have scissors in the hand.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I guess perfect a solution to a problem that doesn't
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: exist for most people. That's what made for TV products. Sorry,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I love it to just give everybody a sense of
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: how far down the rabbit hole we walked on that sketch, which,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: as stute listeners can find on YouTube. I imagine the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: door to door door salesman sells doors themed doors like
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Jim Morrison. Oh that's a galaxy brain to me, dude.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: So Brownie Wise, like you were saying, is already getting
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: her feet on the street.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: She's selling these Stanley Home products knock knock, ring the doorbell,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: walking into people's homes and saying, check out this cleaning product. Here,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: these cool brushes, maybe a vacuum cleaner. She looks around, right,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: she's the top seller at this point for Stanley Home products,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and she says, hang on, what's this tupperware thing? I
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: go on a tick.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: What's this? Why isn't it selling? Well?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: The wonder bowl is a great idea.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, and she kind of had to ask herself why,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Like what this doesn't make sense? This is such a
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: great idea, such a great concept must have something to
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: do with the communication with the public that these things
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: should potentially be absolutely blowing up with, which led her
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: to this concept of burping the container before putting into
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the fridge. So Wise kind of figured that she could
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: come up with a better way of selling this stuff
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: to the public, specifically to housewives. Housewives we talked about
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: that she understood their lives. She was able to kind
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of speak that language because that was her absolute background,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: especially in being a single mother, having to stretch the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: food that she puts on the table coming by this stuff. Honestly,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: she figured that she could sell this product using the
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: home party method that she had learned at Stanley. M M.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And a home party method means that our protagonist,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: our hero of this story, Brownie Wise, is not just
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: going door to door solo. She is introducing people to
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a community. So now we can have folks get together
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and talk about how much they love Stanley home products.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: She thinks, maybe I could build a community around Tupperware. Again,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: it's very difficult to be a single mother, right, She's
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: a single bomb. Quite motivated. She moves with her son
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: from Detroit over to Florida and she found her own
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: company called Tupperware Patio parties, I like saying Patio. So
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Whise started hosting tupperware parties at her own home, and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: while she was at these parties, she would tell people like,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: she would solve the problem Earl tupper couldn't figure out.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: She would normalize the idea of burping the tupperware, like
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: showing you how to do it, and she also would
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: make it just like a cool hang It's a cool
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: house party. That's what she nailed.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Very community focused. I mean, I would argue that there's
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of, you know, outside of the marketing genius
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: of it all, this was a time where folks were
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: feeling kind of isolated, you know, and then to give
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: them a reason to kind of connect with other like
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: minded or you know, people from the same background in
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: their community. I think that's really neat that she was
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: kind of fostering that with these tupperwear parties, and she
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: also kind of had a bit of flair while she
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: would demonstrate, you know, the technique of burping the tupperwaar,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: normalizing and making it part of it obviously household naming
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the concept of a tupperware burp. While I didn't really
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: fully understand before this exactly what it was referring to
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I certainly knew the term, and you can thank Wise
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: for that. She also speaking of flair a little bit
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: of theatricality. She would toss around to the folks attending
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: the party a bowl, one of those tupperware bowls full
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: of grapefruit je showing that it wouldn't leak. Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Again, the wonder bowl is sort of the flagship product
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: at this point, and she would take grape juice, demo, grape.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Juice, Yes, grape fruits. Yeah, yeah, even better because like
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that's the scary stuff that I know will stay right.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: The class ad banter, the pattern we used to call
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: it back in the UK. And she is able to
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: take this wonder bowl, show people how to successfully close
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the lid and burp the tupperware, and yeah, she's thrown around,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Look this will leak, which is amazing. So it doesn't
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: take long, It's less than a year. It's just a
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: few months. And Brownie Wise has expanded tupperware patio parties.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Now she has not quite franchising, but she has tupperware dealers,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: she has a crew. She's building out the organization such
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that there are home party managers, most of whom are women,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: and they are running the game as well. So we
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: have to understand the context. Right, this is post World
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: War two at this point, and the US needed needed resources, right,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: needed employees. So women entered the workforce at an unprecedented
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: level for the country. But now that the war is
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: over and these men are returning, they're taking these women's jobs,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: and there's this huge, incredibly unfair cultural push to put
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: women away from public workforce, right and put them back
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: into the kitchen, back into the housewives situation. There's nothing
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: wrong with whatever path people choose to take on their own,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: as long as you're not hurting people. But a lot
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: of women felt that they were unfairly getting pushed out
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: of the workforce.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: This was not a glass ceiling.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: This was a matter of US companies aggressively firing women,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: pushing them out for nothing other than misogyny.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean, like it's one of those
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: things where it's like, oh, you're we're good enough to
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: take your jobs while you're away at war, but when
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: you're back, it's like you just toss this out, like
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't mean to speak for women, but
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: certainly the sentiment and the idea of you know, really
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: carrying the weight while the men were off at war
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: and then being treated like second class citizens. Yeah, and
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: no appreciation. Yeah.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And as a result, there are a lot of people
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: in this demographic who want to continue working in some capacity, right,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: And so these folks hear about Brownie wise, they hear
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: about tupperware patio parties, and they want to get involved
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: in the business because now it is a thing they
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: can do that is gainful employment and is less unfair.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say completely unfair, but it's less
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: unfair than the rest of the American job market.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I guess that's looked at as like safe for something,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: you know, the powers to be here. It's sort of like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, let them have that little topperware parties, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: which is incredibly dismissive and gross, you know, in retrospect,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: but it was it was a place that they could go.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: And not to mention, the TopWare company was also very
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: diverse and it's hiring practices. You would see black women
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: coming from urban and rural areas participating in these Tupperware
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: parties and again stretching out these networks to other areas
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: where they live.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: And this is incredibly successful. The secret to Wise's success,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: by the way, is not entirely based on the Stanley
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Home Products model. It's the community that she builds. She
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: has a great She has a great quotation that we
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: found in Smithsonian and a couple of other places. Wise,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: one said if you build the people, they'll build the business,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: which I thought was super insightful. And of course this
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: is where our turn occurs.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Noal, because it is insightful. It's a little on the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: corp pretty side. He could look at it as the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: corp pretty kind of slightly decermonizing way of looking at things.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: But I don't know that that's how she intended it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: But I guess maybe be hindsight, it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Might be our internalized BIS.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Right, that's right, That's what I'm getting dot. So this
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: was the turn though, however, right, this is a point
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: where the world changed and Tupperware somewhat got left behind.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: So here's our turn. We introduced the guy, the inventor,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Earl Tupper, right, the dude smuggling plastic pieces and slag
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: into his home. It's the early nineteen fifties. Earl Tupper,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: inventor of the Wonder Bowl, is following the Tupperware boom
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: in Florida. What's going on down there? What's up with
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: this patio company? H And he does his homework. He
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: is incredibly impressed. He is astonished at how great Brownie
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Wise is at at popularizing Tupperware, which, to be clear,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: it was, uh it was a chestnut he himself could
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: not crack, or a walnut he could not crack.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: You're both difficult to crack anyway. Well, it's tough to
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: crack a tough nut, all right. Well he can't get
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: that tree nut.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And so he reaches out to Brownie Wise and he says, look,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you're awesome. You are so good at this. You have
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: pretty much saved this product. Please be vice president of
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the entire company, my company. So Earl Tupper knows a
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: good idea when he sees it, and after or based
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: on his conversations with Brownie Wise, he switches the sales
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: strategy of Tupperware Company entirely to this home party, build
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the community field, a dreams type plan. This direct marketing,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and this is a huge boom to Tupperware. American culture
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: now is in that golden post World War two era,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: right the time of retro futurism atop atomic energy, making
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the world clean despite all the unclean things Adam Baumbs did.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And now we see a booming middle class. People are
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: buying cars, more people of refrigerators, two point five kids,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: nuclear family at home. Entertaining becomes a fixture of social life.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: This is also just side note for our friends at Savor.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: This is where you see a lot of just terrible cookbooks.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, they'remember lots of lots of mayonnaise based stuff,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: lots of gelat elat based stuff, meat gelatines in fact,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: is that I think the biggest gross out. They're all
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: meant to be these like center pieces kind of and
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: they're just so hideous. It's like aspect and.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I appreciated as sculpture but maybe not food.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not. It's definitely was. It was definitely a
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: vibe for sure. And the cookbooks were everywhere and they
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: are a lot of fun if you get a hold
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: of them. We actually did an episode quite a while
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: back on Gelatine on like Jello cookbooks, and we talk
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: about all this stuff. So check going out if you
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: can find it. And to your point, bent about you know,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: neo futurism and all of that good stuff. Tupperware is
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: perfect for that because it's sort of pitched as this
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: like miracle material, and now there's ways of like making
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: it fun colors, you know, and different kinds of stackability
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: and accessories and things that link together. It's such a
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: valueable material by its very nature that you can pretty
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: much mold it into whatever shape you want. And that
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: starts to kind of catch up with the change in
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: demographic where now people are doing a little bit better.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: The Great Depression is a little further in the rearview mirror.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: You have a new kind of middle class coming up,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: and people are like having parties, not tupperware parties, like
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: hosting events, you know, gatherings or whatever. So they put
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: out like I think it was like a section serving
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: platter that you can kind of put different dips or whatever,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: crew tita perhaps gelatine based items in there. But all
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: of this very much been to your point, matches up
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: with the kind of images you'd see in some of
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: these cookbooks in terms of like the spread and highlighting
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: the use of the microwave for example. All of this
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: like the atomic age kind of of you know, futuristic living.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: They really thought they were, you know, on the cutting edge.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Hey, what do you think about us doing commercials from
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: the past in future?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: You must there's so many good ones, and all of
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: that would be public domain audio stuff, so we could
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: find a ton of great clips and make it like
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: a audio clip show. I love it, Ben, Let's do it,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: all right, let's do it, Nol.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: We also know that by nineteen fifty four, Supperware is
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: just running the game. They're amazing at this The sales
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: have reached twenty four million US dollars. And if we
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: could do an inflation calculator here and a dude about
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four, twenty four million dollars in twenty twenty
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: five money, that is slight drum roll, two hundred and
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: eighty four million, six hundred and eighty two thousand, eight
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five dollars.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: That's a lot. That is indeed a lot. When I
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: first looked at it, I think I added some extra
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: the decimal places and thought it was hundreds of billions
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: of dollars. But still impressive, Still impressive, Still impressive.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you were saying earlier, there are over twenty
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: thousand dealers direct marketers and the Tupperware network. And I
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: love this point about the diversity right, the fact that
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: we have black women who are given an opportunity, you
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: know what I mean that would maybe not ordinarily occur
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: in orthodox industry. And they're saying, look, Tupperware is not
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: just white, suburban you know, matchbook House. Hell, this speaks
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to universal need for so many people. And you also mentioned,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: of course, Brownie Wise is a female executive at a
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: time where that is quite rare. She doesn't have a
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: ton of mentors. So if we go to another Smithsonian
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Magazine article from the writer Bob Keeling, we'll see this
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: argument that without a community appears Brownie Wise sought to
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: create one, which is really inspiring.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: It super is. And lest we forget that, mister tupper
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: himself was you know, introduced as our big bad you
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: may think to yourself, thus far, he's doing so much
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: great stuff for women, and Brownie Wise made or the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: executive and everything. At the end of the day, though, folks,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: he was pretty much just as bad as as many
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: of the men in leadership that tossed women aside in
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: the workplace. He was more enamored with the idea and
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: he saw dollar signs you know, dancing over Wise's head
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: and a little less concerned with the human being.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he became Look, they needed each other for
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Tupperware to work, but Earl Tupper grew envious. He grew
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: jealous because Brownie Wise was getting headlines.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. She was the face of
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the company. She was a face of the.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Company, sort of like how you would see, oh, who's
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: that amazing act her who does the progressive commercials?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, what she's talking about the guy from oz Oh.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Sure that guy too. Yeah, but you know what I mean,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Like she became a par.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Now, there's so many celebrities are doing stuff
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: So she is reaching celebrity, right, that's the point. She
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: is the as you said, public face. People are associating
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Brownie Wise with Tupperware, and it's great for the business.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: But Earl Tupper is being a bit of a drip
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: about it. He's saying, why is this person, you know,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: popular as high school as it towns And so he
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: is consistently getting hostile with Brownie Wise. He starts to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: micromanage the stuff she does, even though she knows what works. Obviously,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: around nineteen fifty seven, Tupper is actively seeking to cut
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  Speaker 1: Brownie Wise from his company, and that's where we reach
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  Speaker 1: a disastrous moment in Tupperware history. It is a luau
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  Speaker 1: gone wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. At first I'm looking at this and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: these Tupperware related injuries, I don't understand now. They were
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: apparently weather related injuries. Several folks sustained injuries at this
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  Speaker 2: party due to some unforeseen bad weather, and this led
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: to some lawsuits against the Tupperware company that went on
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  Speaker 2: for many years. Very interesting though. We were talking off
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Mike about what would lead to a legitimate claim in
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: a situation like this, and I guess you could be
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: sued for liability or maybe negligence. So in nineteen fifty eight,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: having gotten the excuse that he was looking for, Tupper
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  Speaker 2: fired Wise from the company. And I believe she'd received
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: no stock options and was just paid one year's salary
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: as severance.
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  Speaker 1: Which is an absolute ripoff. You know, this weather was
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  Speaker 1: beyond her control. It's a private island on a lake
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  Speaker 1: in Kissimee, Florida, but there are a ton of people there.
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  Speaker 1: They're like twelve hundred people there. So this is, as
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  Speaker 1: you were saying, an opportunistic move on Tupper's part. Look
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  Speaker 1: her Brownie Wise. Her life continues post Tupperware. She starts
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: cosmetic companies using this sales model that if we're honest
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: she created. None of them are quite you know, like
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  Speaker 1: Avon level. They're not super successful. She passes away in
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  Speaker 1: Florida in Kissemi in nineteen ninety two. She is seventy
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  Speaker 1: nine years old, and she was a part of buried history.
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  Speaker 1: Put away as though she was placed in some sort
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  Speaker 1: of proverbial tupperware container, a tomb a tupperware toom, a
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Tupperware mausoleum. Yeah, until twenty sixteen, and that's when the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Tupperware Company donated two one hundred thousand US dollars to
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: name a park after her near their corporate headquarters in Orlando.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: And if you go to the official website of the
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Tupperware Company, you can find mention of Brownie Wise in
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: their official company backstory.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: And with that, we have to give a shout out
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: to an absolute badass. I hope I can say badass
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: on air. Ben Thompson or colleague from Badass of the
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  Speaker 1: Week probably knows and loves this story. Big, big, thanks
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  Speaker 1: to our super producer mister Max Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Huge thanks to.
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  Speaker 1: Our research associate Ren for bringing some justice to the
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  Speaker 1: untold story of Brownie Wise.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Whose do we think? Ooh ooh, real quick, I just
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: want to say I went to Tupperware dot com and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: despite having declared bankruptcy in twenty twenty four, that doesn't
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: mean the company has gone and you there is a
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: link at the very top that says host a party,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: so they very much are still carrying on that legacy
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  Speaker 2: of Brownie Wise to this very day. Huge thanks to
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Max Williams, superproducer extraordinaire Alex Williams who composed this bang
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  Speaker 2: and Bob.
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  Speaker 1: Big thanks to Jonathan Strickland aka the Twister Big Big
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: thanks of course to aj Bahamas Jacobs who does listen
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: to the show. Thank you, Bahamas Big. Thanks to Rachel
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Big Spinach Lance. If you like our show, please check
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: out the Rude dudes at Ridiculous Crime, good friends of ours,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and they also will bring justice to buried history.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Man. If y'all want to get I'm on this Tupperware party,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: you can receive a free host gift special with five
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars in party sales Tupperware Wave Stack cooker. It's
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: like one of those microwave cover things to keep it
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  Speaker 2: from splashing. Or actually it's a cast throw and to
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: colinder all in one. My mistake. We'll see you next time, folks.
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