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What in The World is Going on? · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast today, everybody here with JB Hickson. Welcome, JB.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, welcome, good to be here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, before we get started, I want to remind
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  Speaker 2: everybody that we have our upcoming conference in October.
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  Speaker 1: JB.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to be there.
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  Speaker 1: Can't wait. Honored to be speaking again, and it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a great conference.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, October fifth through eighth, and you can get information
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  Speaker 2: about that at watcherswekend dot com. I'm actually going to
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  Speaker 2: be coming back from Europe. I'm going to be on
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  Speaker 2: a Prophecy tour with Billy Cron and Brandon Houldhouse Tom Hughes.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to be preaching in Scotland and Ireland and
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  Speaker 2: in Italy. It's also in England, so we're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: some more information about that coming up as well. But
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be a great time. And man, as
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  Speaker 2: we think about all that's happening, there's no lack of
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  Speaker 2: material to talk about right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, there's just you don't have enough time to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so one of the things that we're doing
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  Speaker 2: here with JB is he's here we're talking about his
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  Speaker 2: DVD series. What in the world is going on? Eight DVDs?
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  Speaker 2: How many hours are on there? Total? Over thirteen Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: thirteen hours. So that's really the question that I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk today, JB. Is in the sense of what
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  Speaker 2: in the world is going on? When we look over
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  Speaker 2: the last especially the last three years, there's no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we try to avoid as much as possible
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  Speaker 2: in the sense because of censorship. You did not avoid
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  Speaker 2: that in your DVDs, which I appreciate, and so we're
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  Speaker 2: trying to be sensitive in that regard. But regardless, no
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  Speaker 2: one can deny that from twenty twenty till now, you know,
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  Speaker 2: really from two and a half years in that life
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  Speaker 2: is not different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it seems like every twenty years there's
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  Speaker 1: some major change that takes place, and certainly in the
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  Speaker 1: twenty first century, that's true. We go back to two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and one, which was a game changer with nine
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  Speaker 1: to eleven, and then of course could in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what. The reason we put this DVD
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  Speaker 1: set together, and it was originally something that I taught
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  Speaker 1: in Denver at our church, was that, you know, everybody
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  Speaker 1: seems to be waking up that something is going on here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are just too many coincidences, too many
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  Speaker 1: you know, things that need dots, that need to be connected,
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  Speaker 1: and when you start connecting him, you go, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 1: And so we just wanted to kind of take through
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  Speaker 1: the lens of scripture all of these world changing events
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  Speaker 1: that that you know, changed life as we know it,
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  Speaker 1: and see if we can you know, interpret it through
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  Speaker 1: the lens of Bible prophecies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and share with people where they can find information
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  Speaker 2: about your ministry.
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  Speaker 1: As our primier ministry, we've been around since nineteen ninety nine.
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  Speaker 1: Titus three to five is our theme verse. Not by
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  Speaker 1: works of righteousness, which we've done, but according to his mercy,
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  Speaker 1: he saved us. So one of our passions is the clarity, accuracy,
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  Speaker 1: and urgency of the Gospel. And especially with all that's
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  Speaker 1: going on in setting the stage for end time's prophecy
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  Speaker 1: right now, it's more important than ever for people to
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  Speaker 1: trust in Jesus Christ and Him alone for salvation.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, my I call it a blessing and a curse,
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  Speaker 2: and it's more of a blessing for sure, But I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate the clarity and accuracy because I am I absolutely
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  Speaker 2: am OCD about precision and words and just looking at
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  Speaker 2: scripture very very very specifically. I love minuitia. That's the
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  Speaker 2: way it works. But I appreciate that, as we know
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  Speaker 2: there were sometimes Jesus would make arguments based on the
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  Speaker 2: tense of a passage, you know, or Paul on a
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  Speaker 2: singular versus a plural seed versus seeds. We see some
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  Speaker 2: of that as relates to the inspiration of scripture. So
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you your ministry and your your your theme.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about I want to read this because and
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  Speaker 2: we only have time to get a couple but the
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  Speaker 2: eight subjects you discussed and what in the world is
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  Speaker 2: going on again just kind of inspired me to say,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's on some of these. But you talk about
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  Speaker 2: the Great Satanic Reset, really the history of all of it.
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  Speaker 2: You talk about nineteen and depopulationeen and the experimental bio
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  Speaker 2: injections Agenda twenty thirty in the lucipheran timetable preparedness tips,
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  Speaker 2: very practical, can we trust the government? And then you
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  Speaker 2: get into secret societies and then ultimately as pastor, why
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  Speaker 2: does all this matter? Because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: let me just ask you, I know, the way I
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  Speaker 2: approach scripture and application when I was preaching and pastoring,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for sixteen years, why ask the question why
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  Speaker 2: does it matter?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think you know, that's that's the million dollar
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  Speaker 1: question that everyone's asking. As I said, even unbelievers are
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  Speaker 1: looking around and seeing what's happening, you know, and they're saying, man,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is unreal. I mean, what in the
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  Speaker 1: world is going on? And so we wanted to give people,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some resources again through the lens of scripture,
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  Speaker 1: that that could sort of make sense of it all.
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  Speaker 1: So it's really a twofold audience. On the one hand,
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  Speaker 1: it gives believers a grid to sort of make sense
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  Speaker 1: of all of this. You know, a lot of believers
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  Speaker 1: and you and I've talked about this before, but they
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  Speaker 1: get on some level, you know, the deep state, or
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  Speaker 1: the global elite, or you know, the shadow government sometimes
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  Speaker 1: people I'll call it. I remember Grant Jeffrey wrote a
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  Speaker 1: big book by that title, and that's certainly all part
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  Speaker 1: of it. But what we try to do is connect
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  Speaker 1: the dots all the way to the top, the top
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  Speaker 1: tier of this grand Luciferan conspiracy as outlined in scripture,
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  Speaker 1: and I think for those who handle the Word of
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  Speaker 1: God correctly it starts to make sense. But for unbelievers
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  Speaker 1: it really I think drives them to the Gospel. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, the gospel is Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
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  Speaker 1: died and rose again to pay our personal penalty for sin,
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  Speaker 1: and only those who place their faith in Him and
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  Speaker 1: him alone can have eternal life. And so whether you're
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  Speaker 1: an unbeliever or believer, it really answers a great need. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: the greatest need is man spiritual can condition, but even
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  Speaker 1: believers need to have some framework to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: this rapidly changing as I call it, the Great Satanic Reset.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to lay a foundation for those listening
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  Speaker 2: in the sense that there's a new book coming out
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  Speaker 2: by Pete Garcia and Terry James called The New World Order,
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  Speaker 2: and they had asked me to do the forward on that,
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  Speaker 2: and so in talking with Pete and Terry were like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: well what are you doing it? And of course the
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  Speaker 2: New World Order, I thought, well, let's let's They were
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  Speaker 2: getting into some of the details of kind of what
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  Speaker 2: you've described here as well, but I said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I want to start at the foundation. And the first
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  Speaker 2: phrase that I put on the end of the forward
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  Speaker 2: was quote, you are a conspiracy theorist. And so I
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  Speaker 2: just kind of gave a biblical theological framework, more of
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  Speaker 2: a systematic theological framework for the idea of conspiracy. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, you can start, as we've discussed, you start
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  Speaker 2: with Satan's rebellion prior. But Genesis ree one, you cannot,
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  Speaker 2: you cannot not believe in a conspiracy that there is
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  Speaker 2: this master very wise right, He's perfect in wisdom, crafty
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  Speaker 2: is what Genesis ree one says from the beginning, trying
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  Speaker 2: to corrupt God's plan here. Of course, he doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: all knowledge. He has a scripture like we do. But
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  Speaker 2: first John five to nineteen, the whole world lies into
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  Speaker 2: the sway of the wicked one. So for us as
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  Speaker 2: we come and we talk about the Luciferian timetable, that
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  Speaker 2: sounds so crazy, and so what do you mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what are you guys doing? But hey, what I just say,
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  Speaker 2: if you're a believer in scripture, there is one that
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  Speaker 2: is under He's the god of this age.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Three times in John twelve, fourteen, sixteen Jesus says, the
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  Speaker 2: ruler of this world. The ruler of this world. Now
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  Speaker 2: we know that God is sovereign, but let's kind of
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  Speaker 2: jump in a little bit to say, is it okay
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  Speaker 2: for a Christian who believes the Bible and wants to
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  Speaker 2: believe the Bible and obey the Bible to reject a
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  Speaker 2: master conspiracy a conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not okay. I mean, conspiracy is a very
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  Speaker 1: technical term. It's used. I think something like eighty to
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  Speaker 1: ninety percent of all federal criminal cases in the federal
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  Speaker 1: courts have the term conspiracy in the title, because a
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy just means two or more people working together to
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  Speaker 1: commit a crime or to do something evil or nefarious.
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  Speaker 1: And so it was a conspiracy from the beginning. Satan
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  Speaker 1: and one third of the angels fell. So he had
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  Speaker 1: these other angels that he conspired with to try to
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  Speaker 1: orchestrate a coup in heaven and that didn't go too well.
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  Speaker 1: And so he's continuing, he being Lucifer Satan with his conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: Only now he has enlisted the help of some of
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  Speaker 1: God's highest pinnacle of creation, mankind made in his image,
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  Speaker 1: and so you've got the human component to his conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: You've got the spiritual component, these fallen angels and other
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  Speaker 1: evil spirits, and you've got Satan the leader of it,
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  Speaker 1: and they're all conspiring together, as David tells us, insult
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  Speaker 1: to to throw off the shackles, the bindings of control
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  Speaker 1: that God has and has control issues, right, he wants control,
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  Speaker 1: and so yeah, it's absolutely biblical. And the other thing
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  Speaker 1: that I know you know this, but some of our
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  Speaker 1: listeners may not. The term conspiracy theory is a intentionally created,
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  Speaker 1: weaponized term created by the CIA in nineteen sixty seven.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the declassified documents to prove it. They were
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  Speaker 1: looking for a way to discredit all of those truth
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  Speaker 1: seekers that rejected the Warren Commissions report about the JFK assassination,
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  Speaker 1: which is just completely impossible. I mean, it's just nobody.
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  Speaker 1: You'd have to I'd sooner believe in Santa Claus and
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  Speaker 1: believe in the war Commission report. So and people were
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  Speaker 1: hip to it, they were seeing right through it. And
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  Speaker 1: so the CIA came along and said, how can we
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  Speaker 1: discredit them? Well, let's use a concept that they later
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  Speaker 1: came to be called in the Academic Journal's Mametic hegemony.
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  Speaker 1: This way to further their hegemonic control by using memes,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and so they created conspiracy theory, which you
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  Speaker 1: ask the average person, what's a conspiracy theory or you
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  Speaker 1: even mentioned the term, and they visions of you know,
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  Speaker 1: tenfoil hats and weirdos, you know, Movie to Mind.
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  Speaker 2: Yet the movie with all part of Hollywood was advancing
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  Speaker 2: that narrative.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I I believe in conspiracy theories. I
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  Speaker 1: believe in checking them out. And some of them are true,
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  Speaker 1: some of them are aren't.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's to say, let's let's make the clarification,
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  Speaker 2: because I did that in the forward, was we're not
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  Speaker 2: saying that every last alleged conspiracy theory is true. So
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to embrace all of them. It's not
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  Speaker 2: a wholesale and embracing of everything that's ever been theorized, right.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, And there are a lot of misinformation conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theories out there and to get people that are truth
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  Speaker 1: seekers off base and to discredit them. So a theory
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  Speaker 1: just means a speculation as to the truth. And so
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  Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of different conspiracy theories
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  Speaker 1: out there. Doesn't mean they're true, but nothing wrong with
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  Speaker 1: investigating them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting too, because when thinking about what the
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  Speaker 2: CIA did, it's it's straight out of the screwtape letters.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I spent a lot of time, of course,
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  Speaker 2: read a book on it. But he talks and he
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  Speaker 2: advises Wormwood to throw labels around, you know, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: throw a label. Oh that's puritanical, or that's that's juvenile,
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  Speaker 2: or that's that's goodie two shoes. Well, nobody wants to
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  Speaker 2: be a goody two shoes. Nobody a puritanical is a
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  Speaker 2: little bit older in the nineteen forties. We don't use
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  Speaker 2: that word now, but nobody wants to have these pejorative
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  Speaker 2: labels put on them. And simply by doing that, it's
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  Speaker 2: amazing the power of people's perception. By not wanting to
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  Speaker 2: be considered, Oh I don't want to be born again,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to be a conservative or Republican, whatever
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  Speaker 2: the word is. It's amazing the power of words.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's all part of the broader topic of
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  Speaker 1: deconstruction of language. You know, Satan has really targeted from
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  Speaker 1: you know, Genesis on in his confrontation without Him and
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  Speaker 1: even the Garden, the key foundational elements of God's creation, language, life, gender, marriage,
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  Speaker 1: and language. You know, they're making words out to mean
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  Speaker 1: something that they aren't. And you know, I love studying history,
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  Speaker 1: especially since I first woke up and kind of went
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  Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole about sixteen years ago. I've rethought everything.
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  Speaker 1: I love to look at the historical narratives and it's
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  Speaker 1: stunning how many times, you know, you find that the
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  Speaker 1: historical narrative is not accurate. And so one of the
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  Speaker 1: ones I've been studying recently, and it started with an
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  Speaker 1: interview I heard a few years ago, but the whole
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  Speaker 1: fascinating skyjacking dB Cooper in Seattle, And I was watching
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  Speaker 1: a documentary about that the other day, and it was
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  Speaker 1: presenting three different theories on how this might have happened
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  Speaker 1: and who he might have gotten help from. And nobody
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  Speaker 1: in the documentary said, here, we're going to present to
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  Speaker 1: you a bunch of conspiracy theories. But that's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: they were doing. They were theories about how he pulled
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  Speaker 1: this off successfully. That's a conspiracy theory. But of course,
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  Speaker 1: the term you know doesn't mean that you know these days.
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  Speaker 2: So let's let's jump into one of these these conspiracy theories.
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  Speaker 2: But yet, as we see is coming to fruition. And
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  Speaker 2: that is the Agenda twenty one or the Agenda twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 2: You discussed those in here, talking about again the time
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  Speaker 2: the timetable. We know that Satan even first John two,
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  Speaker 2: we see the word Antichrist appears there. So he says
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  Speaker 2: the Antichrist is already working, the spirit of the Antichrist,
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  Speaker 2: the mystery of lawless is already working. In second Thessilean's two.
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  Speaker 2: So we have that already working, certainly from Genesis three,
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  Speaker 2: but in the time of Jesus, in the time of Paul.
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  Speaker 2: So he's been working at this for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: waiting for his opportunity. So let's talk about those two phrases.
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  Speaker 2: Agenda twenty one, Agenda twenty thirty. Where do they come from?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, Agenda twenty one came about as a result
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  Speaker 1: of a conference in Rio Disja arrow to It was
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  Speaker 1: a climate summit in nineteen ninety two during the Clinton era,
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  Speaker 1: and they set forth Agenda twenty one, which was a
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  Speaker 1: set of standards and goals that they wanted to institute
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  Speaker 1: globally by the twenty first century. That's where the twenty
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  Speaker 1: one comes from. A lot of people who don't really
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  Speaker 1: look into it. Think twenty one means the year twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one, but it's really a reference to the twenty
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  Speaker 1: first century. And then in twenty fifteen, well into the
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  Speaker 1: twenty first century. Now, they had another meeting in which
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  Speaker 1: they set forth Agenda twenty thirty where in the next
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  Speaker 1: fifteen years from that point on they wanted to roll
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  Speaker 1: out these sustainable development goals. But all of them are
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  Speaker 1: kind of coalescing under the concept of a one world
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  Speaker 1: system that everyone has to give up national sovereignty, every
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  Speaker 1: country make themselves accountable to a global governance of some
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  Speaker 1: kind to come under their authority. And we see a
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  Speaker 1: number of things that have happened since twenty fifteen to
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  Speaker 1: move that agenda forward. The World Health Organization has has
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  Speaker 1: put out new international health regulations. They've put out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: most recently, a new document that they're wanting everyone to
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  Speaker 1: come on board that would allow and America's going to
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  Speaker 1: come on board that would allow NATO troops to come
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  Speaker 1: into countries unhindered and take control if there's a pandemic
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  Speaker 1: and you know, put troops on the ground. We see
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  Speaker 1: the World Economic Forum, you know, that was started by
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Club of Rome, Ultimately, if you look
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  Speaker 1: at the backstory there you see a lot of these
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  Speaker 1: world you know, bank world organizations that are all coming
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  Speaker 1: together to pave the way for a one world system.
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  Speaker 1: Agenda twenty one and Agenda twenty thirty are kind of
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  Speaker 1: at the tip of the spear. And the real driving
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  Speaker 1: factor behind those, at least according to the official narrative,
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  Speaker 1: is climate change and this alleged eggs existential threat that
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  Speaker 1: you know, because you know, you drive a car or
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  Speaker 1: your cows don't wear masks or something like that, where
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  Speaker 1: we need to you know, change the world and create
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  Speaker 1: these fifteen minute cities to save the planet. And and
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately a lot of scientists have bought into the lie
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  Speaker 1: and and it's working, and a lot of countries have
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  Speaker 1: signed on to Agenda twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the uh. I always like to preface
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  Speaker 2: that we get accused. We just whatever Christians do.
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that I always so will hear me carefully?
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  Speaker 2: Do I believe that the that the climate has changed? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: I do absolutely. If you look, I have no problem
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  Speaker 2: looking at the pictures of glaciers not being there anymore, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: but I also look at history. Scientific is through geological
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  Speaker 2: history where if you ask anybody, do you believe that
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  Speaker 2: there was an ice age? Well, obviously there's evidence of
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  Speaker 2: an ice age, so that right there, the climate has changed.
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  Speaker 2: The real issue is who's responsible. See, that's the key
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  Speaker 2: is in the current environment. What they're after is humans
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  Speaker 2: are responsible, carbon footprints, et cetera, industrious you know, and
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  Speaker 2: the industrial revolution. You're like, Okay, I don't believe in that,
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  Speaker 2: not at all. I think that when there's been evidence
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  Speaker 2: coming out of Israel, very well known and physicists came
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  Speaker 2: out and said climate change. Yeah, of course the climate change,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not human cause. Look at the Sun, and
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  Speaker 2: he was recommended. He was saying, look at all the
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  Speaker 2: evidence of how the sun and if you look at
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  Speaker 2: the if you do the calculations of per cubic meter
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  Speaker 2: of the Sun's wattage and the heat, one little bit
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  Speaker 2: of change. I mean, there's no greater influence on climate
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: of the Earth than the sun. Who would disagree with that?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: And so here we are. He said, it's not found
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: in human cause, but that what they want to do
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: is they use it now to become this religion and
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: then to force people to be taxed or to be punished,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: and I think, Okay, you want to give me a
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: carbon tax, where's that money going? And and let's say
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I'm giving it straight to some global government. Uh, how
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: how what are they doing? Why would my money go
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: to them? And how are they reducing this that punishing people?
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: So what do I do with all this cash?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there have been lots of studies that have shown
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: that it's it's really a big ponzi scheme really to
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: for the globalists to get Richard. But that's one of
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the things I love about the way your mind works, Bondos.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: You have a real analytical mind, and you're you're you're, you're,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: You're saying, let's just not use phrases and catch phrases
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and hastily dismiss things and use loaded terms. Let's just
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: drill down to the fact. So the issue with climate
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: change is is it anthropogenic? Yep? And by the way,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I think not in the way most people use that term.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I think some of it is anthropogenic in the sense
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: of what the Luciferian elite are doing in the geoengineering realm.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But that's another subject for another day. But you know,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: absolutely they it's all about control. Like you mentioned, carbon credits.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: It's never about what it's about with the with the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: low suferians, they have an agenda, and that agenda, we
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: are learning more and more, is about full spectrum planetary control.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: And it's not just transactional in terms of the monetary
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: system like carbon credits and you might not be able
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: to buy or sell. It's about tracking where you travel,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: what you eat, who you can spend time with, where
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you can live. It's full spectrum planetary control, and carbon
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: credits are just part of it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Social credits are part of it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, you name it. So it's That's why I've
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: been really sounding the alarm on the digital currency for
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: quite a while now. I've had the privilege to speak
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: at a couple of conferences on It's some turning Point USA,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a Turning Point USA Regional conference and things like that.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Where it's happening fast. I mean fed now is being
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: rolled out in July. That's the backbone.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Let's explain for those that don't know. I mean, it's
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: coming up this summer. They're saying, it's so let's talk
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: about fed now. What is it? And what let's talk
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: about some of the ramifications.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So fed now is what the Federal Reserve, which
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: is the privately owned central bank that America is beholden to.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: UH is going to roll out. That will be the backbone,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: you know, technological architecture to allow Central Bank digital currents infrastructure. Yeah,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the infrastructure exactly. So what does that look like? Well,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: right now, when you have a transaction, whether it's an
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: EFT transfer or even a wire transfer, or of course
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a check or something, it it's not instant. It takes
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you know, even a wire transfer can take a couple
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: of days. Yeah, sometimes or hours. You know, we've bought
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and sold twelve houses in our married life, and you know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: when you're sitting there at the closing table, sometimes you
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: have to wait for the funds to clear, right so
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: before they'll give you the keys to the house, or
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: before you'll get your check if you're selling your house,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and so you sometimes kept to wait two or three hours,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: even though it's a wire transfer. Well, with the FED
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: now system, now everything will be instant and so literally
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: in the split second that you make a transaction, the
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: funds are available. And that's necessary for the full spectrum
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: tracking that they're going to need with the digital currency,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: because if they're going to use your digital ID which
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: is tied to the digital currency, to stop you at
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: a border crossing, or to stop you at a cash
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: register if you're making a purchase and they want to
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: control that. You know, hey, you've already had your meat
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: allotment for this week. You can't buy that. They don't
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: have time to wait hours or whatever for everything to
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: It's all got to be instantaneous. And so really think
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of the FED now as you know, the tool that
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Satan and the Antichrist are going to use someday to
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: implement the Romans thirteen mark of the beast. He can't
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: see everything at once, so he doesn't have time to
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: always run algorithms and like they do now where they
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: can kind of check up on you and I'm back
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: on you. It all needs to be instant and so
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: that's that's really what the FED now is going to do.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: So it's it's definitely happening fast.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Now. We see, uh, we certainly see some of that
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: already as it relates to credit cards, because you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I watch you know Capital one is Hey, by the way,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: you're there at the at the store, you buy something
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and then at dink and it says did you make
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: this purchase, you hit yes and then it clears it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: So you have that's relatively instantaneous in the credit card
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: as well as maybe denying you know, hey you went
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: over your limit. It rejected, you know, it didn't declined.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: But now getting into some of the more non credit,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the instantaneous debit cards or whatever, we see this too.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think people need to understand. And they
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: many who are on uh maybe food stamps, you know
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: that there's limits. It's it's programmed. You're you're programmed in
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: there that you can't buy alcohol, cigarettes, you know, some
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: of the contrabands so to speak, that you're only allowed
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: certain purchases. So there the systems are already there, uh
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: to come. And so with the FED now coming in
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve, here we are and I think let's
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: talk about that for a minute. Is my impression is
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: that it's going to be implemented first with those that
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: are already dependent on the government Social Security. Can you
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: imagine somebody who is held hostage by maybe a direct
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: deposit or maybe they get a check in the mail
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: from Social Security like this is the only way take
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: it or leave it. Well, you get a whole host
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: of people now are going to be automatically enrolled in
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: this sort of system, and they can't say no.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's going to be coercion. So, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: people tend to always think in terms of extremes, and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: they go, oh, they got to put a gun on
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: my head and make me sign up for the digital currency. Now,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: they won't necessarily have to do that, certainly, not initially.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: They'll just tie your EBT or your you know, tax
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: refund or your Social Security checks, all of these entitlements.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: They'll tie those to it, and they'll say, if you
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: want to continue getting those, this is the only way
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: we're doing it. Yep. This only way you can pay
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: your tax. This is the only way you can pay
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: your more mortgage. You know. This is so they're gonna
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: they're going to coerce people to do it. And we
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: saw this plan. This is like same song, second verse.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: We saw this rolled out with the gene altering bioinjections.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And I know we're trying not to get you know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: censored here, but let's face it. Think back to when
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: they rolled out the the we'll just call it the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: vaccine like they called it. Uh, they used the carrot first,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, get a free lottery ticket if you
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: get this, or get some free marijuana, or you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: we'll give you a fifty dollars check. You know. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: then you know, as we have I quote have quotes
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: of these in some of my materials. Uh, politicians are
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: out there saying and newscasters are out there saying, well,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: you know, the carrot hasn't really working. We've got to
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: move to the stick now.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: So now running thin, Yeah it's worn out or whatever.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. And so now it's like, well, you
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: got to do it or you get fired. You got
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to do it, or you can't go to the hospital.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: You got to do you can't serve in the military.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So it's this carrot stick, and they're going to do
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the same thing, uh, because Satan's not creative, you know,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: he uses the say tired old m They're going to
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: do the same thing I think with a digital ID.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: So let's let's let's talk some practical things that a
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: digital The FED now is not the mark of the beast. Now,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: we're very clear that these are laying the foundations for
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the mark of the beast and the infrastructure for what
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: will come subsequently. We don't know how long. So let's
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: say that you know, Aunt Mary loves the Lord, loves Jesus,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: lives on Social Security, she's in the church. She's like, hey, Pastor,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: they said I have to sign up for this digital
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: system in order to get my money. Is she sinning
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: by by doing it?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think it's a moral issue. Personally, I
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: would strongly advise against it. I would say, under no
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: circumstances should any Christian do it? And I said the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: same thing about the vaccine. But I know people who did,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and each person has to make their own decision, and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: it's a tough decision. I get it. I'm not saying
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: it's a flippant and easy decision. You know, moral decisions
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: are easy, but you know, this is more of a wisdom,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: It's more of a what's the impact of it. I
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: don't think that I would say it's a sin in
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and of itself to do it, but I think people
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: need to really think seriously about it, because once you
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: sign up for the digital ID, and that's really what
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: we're talking about, not the digital currency. The digital currency
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: is a subset of the digital ID. In the same
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: way that the vaccine passports were a subset of a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: digital ID. They've been toying with this global digital ID forever.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: You know, you see it with things like the clear
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: technology with you know, with the TSA pre check and
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: clear and stuff. You see it all over the place
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: with international global ID cars if you travel internationally. So
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: all of these things are sort of wheels spinning off
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: their axis that are going to kind of come together
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and align under one central digital ID. So you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I would say people need to think very seriously about it,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: because it's one thing for them to track your smartphone
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: or track your through your smart meters, or track you
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: know through your you know what your travel through Google
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Maps and things like that. That's bad enough. But when
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you make it easy for them by signing up to
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: this digital ID, it's it's game over. I mean, they've
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: got you now. It doesn't mean you can't still jump
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: off the grid at some point.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: See that's a lot harder. See that's the challenges I
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: think about because I mean, again, as a pastor, you
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: know this where the church doesn't. If if I was
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: to tell her nope, you know, like I said, it's
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: a moral issue, you're sinning. Well, then what does she do? Well?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: The church doesn't have enough money to start giving guaranteed income,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and so the child. That's the challenge is is what
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: do we tell Aunt Mary. We'd say, well, pray about it,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: but in reality she has no choice. I mean, in
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: one sense, she would have no choice from a practical
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: perspective to partake in order just to live well. I mean,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: what other options took ye, So what other options does
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: she have?
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's it's really an interesting discussion
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: because I think the choices are there, but they're not
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: enviable at all, and they're very, very tough. Same thing
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: with the vaccine. I mean I did a podcast back
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: during the throes of the pandemic, you know, should Christians
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: take the vaccine? And again not a moral issue per se,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: but per se Yeah right, I mean, there's we save
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that discussion.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I have strong opinions.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, people would call in and say,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: you know, well my mother or my grandmother is dying
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: and they won't let me end to say my goodbye.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Or I'm a missionary and I've been going to Peru
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: for twenty years, but now I can't go share the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: share Christ with people over there, or you know, all
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: these scenarios and each one of them I said, doesn't matter.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, to me, there's a lot and God is
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: bigger than that. He can find a way for the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Gospel to get to those people. So you may have
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: to suffer. So same thing with the digital idea. We're
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: not promised that it'll be easy to do the right thing,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and by right I mean the wise thing, not necessarily
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the moral issue. But I think you know there there
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: are fates worse than that, and if you take the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: easy road out, and a lot of people did, you know,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: but I know a lot of people who, at great
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: personal costs, lost their jobs, took early retirement. I know
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: a guy that was one year away from his twenty
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: year mark in the military, in the Navy, he retired.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Back then they were requiring.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: It, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, and so changed.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, and then they don't grandfather it in.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: That's sad. Yeah, but yeah, I mean it's these are
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: tough issues. But I think if you really study, don't
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: wait un till you're forced to.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Make the decision.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Study it. Now. Look at the implications of this global
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: digital tracking system. It's never about what it's about. It's
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: not just about paying your taxes or getting your paid
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: or getting your Social Security. It's way more than that.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, when we look long term again, these systems,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: what people need to know is these systems, they are
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: being put in place now so that when the finality
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: of the B system comes into play, all the technology,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: all the infrastructure, all the conditioning has already been done
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: for many years. And so he comes in on a
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: system that's that's already advanced. He just takes advantage of it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we see, you're right, the stage is being set.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: We see that already with Venmo and cash app and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: instantaneous things like that. We were stopped at a groad
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: sale kind of ad hoc the other day, Wendy and
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I and I you know, used up all my cash
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and then we wanted to stop at one more and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: saw something for five or ten dollars you know that
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: we wanted and I didn't have any more cash on me,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and so I said, hey, do you do ven I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: goes sure, yeah, boom, we just scanned something on his
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: phone and he took all just like that. The fifteen
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: dollars was gone from my account into his. And so
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: that's convenient, but uh, it's that that's this precursor to
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: what we're looking at. And one thing I wanted to
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: add real quick on this, because sometimes you'll get people
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: who really aren't studying this and that that aren't that
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: big into Bible prophecy to begin with, the objection always
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: comes up. Well, people have been saying this is this
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: precursor to the mark of the Beast for you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a century or something's different today, Moto, and I know
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you know this, But for our listeners in the past,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the technology that people were pointing out could be setting
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the stage for some type of beast system was ostensibly
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: being used for other things like q PC codes for
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: tracking inventory and making it easier to check out r
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: if ID ships. They were for other issues. Now they're
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: actually coming out and saying unapologetically that the CBDCs are
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: intended to control your behavior and control troll whether you
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: buy or sell. That's precisely what the mark of the
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Beast is described as in Revelation thirteen.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I think too, that one of the things that you
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: talk about in here was just the nature of the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: agenda and how America and its constitution, including all the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Bill of Rights, stands in the way. Because I encourage
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: people again to read, because there was a book I
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: read just recently, two couple books. One was called The
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Ai Superpowers and it was about artificial intelligence, and it
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: wasn't even it was about artificial intelligence, but it also
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: brought up that the guy was he lived in Taiwan,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: but he was born in China, and he was he
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: got his PhD in artificial intelligence. I mean, it was amazing.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: He wasn't a believer, but he was talking about how
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: he visited China in certain areas and they're already one
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: hundred percent cash lists, I mean one hundred percent. They
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: have the Alibaba app or the allipay app whatever, And
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: he said that he went there and he was very
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: surprised because he went there, he was ready to go,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and they go, we don't take cash here, and he goes,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: what and so he had to download and connect it
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: to his bank. So these things and it was also
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the control He was already he was already impressed by
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: the advancement of China. Now China could do this because
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: they could go into a community and said you with
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: within six months, you're gonna bee hundredercent causes we don't
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: want to, we don't care. We're dictators here, we're communists.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: You're gonna do what we're gonna say, or we'll do
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: it for you, and then you're blacklisted. So they were
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: able to perfect some of these things. And so here
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: he was going, it's amazing how far China is in
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: advance of certain areas of technology. Oh yeah, it's there.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in China, if you are you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: are called on cameras. They have cameras everywhere. They're tracking everything.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: And if you're caught jaywalking, literally before you get to
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the other side of the street, they've already debited your
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: account because of facial recognition.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's uh, it's you know, the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: means of control might be different, as you say there,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: it's just it's you have to do this because we're
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: in charge America. I think it's going to be a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: little different. And again we saw this in their dry
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: run with the pandemic. Uh, it's what I called and
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I picked this up from somebody else. I can't remember who,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: but early on somebody used this phrase and I thought
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that's the perfect description. But they used what what's called
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: franchised tyranny. So they subcontracted out the tyrannical control to
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: pastors who turned people away from church and say no, no, no.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: The government says we can only have ten percent.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Occupants Roman thirteen. Obey.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: We got to obey. We've got to do exactly what
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the government tells us. They used store managers. You know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you must you can't shop here if you don't do this,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: we're it's franchise tyranny. We're going to control you through others.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: You know, it's the same thing happened, by the way,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: after nine to eleven. Uh, you know the Patriot Act
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: to see something, say something. Spy on your neighbor, and
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: that's right out of the pages of Nazi Germany. You know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: spy on your neighbor, Tell on your neighbor.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: In the middle of COVID. You're the neighbors having a
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: party at barbecue. Call the health department.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, our guys out And is you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: garage lawfully cleaning a shotgun because you just got back
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: from you know, duck hunting. And the swat team shows up,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you know, because they say there's a guy with a
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: gun in my garage, you know, so or in his garage.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean they will find other ways peer pressure,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: like you talked about earlier, with language, they'll find, you know,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: through the carrot, through the stick, through coercion, it won't
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: necessarily be this totalitarian, you know, regime, at least at first,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and they'll get a lot of low hanging fruit that way,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you know, they really will.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: What I saw too was recently, in the midst of
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the last couple of years, lawsuits galore, right because all
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the liberties were being violated, and so in our country,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: at least presently, lawsuits were filed against overreach over medical
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: reach by whether health departments like Los Angeles, Calvary Chapel
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: out there, even John MacArthur's church, or different states. We
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: were living in Nevada at the time. In Nevada, I
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: was trying to be like Newsom in California, and so
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: you had this control, but you had the lawsuits that
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: put things on hold. Well, one woman congresswoman, she said,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: the problem here is the constitution. The Constitution is outdated
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and it's getting in the way of progress. You mentioned
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: earlier that there was a shredding. People were trying to shred.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: So the problem that we have right now is the
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: liberties that we have. The freedoms that are enshrined in
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the Bill of Rights. But think about this way. Supposedly,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: allegedly we have a conservative Supreme Court six to three,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: but in reality, all it takes is five. We think
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: about that. All it takes is five people to change
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: or legislate from the bench, and it's becomes the supreme
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: law of the land. So we saw that really, I
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: would say, from the sixties on in the sense of
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: more of the liberal Supreme Court that was there legislating
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: and again creating all of a sudden Roe v. Wade
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: a right to life which by the constitutions to say anything,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: but they were able to say, no, this is what
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: it says, and therefore it became laws somehow. So it
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: takes five people, and whether right or wrong, they could
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: say nope, the government has the right to force you
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: to do this regardless, and they just turn it upside
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: down in a moment.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole legal system changed about one hundred years
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: ago when it went to a precedent based system instead
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: of a constitutional based system. In other words, the constitution
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: should be sacro saying it settles the issue. But instead,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: as soon as you have one court changing something, then
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: now that becomes the law. Well, then if someone tweaks
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: it a little bit more, now that's the law. And
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: first thing, you know, you got to dig pretty deep,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and somewhere in there there's oh yeah, there's a constitution somewhere.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I heard a league, a lawyer friend of
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: mine said that these days most law schools don't even
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: require a course in the Constitution. You know, I'm not
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: sure if that's true. I can't imagine it would be true.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I guess in some ways it wouldn't surprise me. But
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the parallels there between what's happening in the legal system
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: and what's happening in the church with the Bible are
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: very strikingly similar. So in the legal system, really all
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that should matter is what does the Constitution say. In
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the church, what should matters what does the Bible say.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: But you've got liberal theologians coming along. The technical term
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: for this in academia is the redemptive movement hermeneutic, this
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: idea that you know, later, you know, the more wise
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: and hip we get to.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: The culture and breathing document exactly.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's an al Gore quote. Back in
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the debates between Bush W. Bush and Gore. If you
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: remember that famous election in two thousand, uh, they were
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: asked at a debate and originalist versus you know, and
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: al Gore famously said, I believe the Constitution is a living,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: breathing text. That's you know, And I've seen some some
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court rulings. You know. You can always go to
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court website and download any of their official rulers.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: It's got the majority of opinion and the dissenting opinion.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And they are actually blatantly saying that, well, most civilized
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: countries do it this way now, so we need to
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: come up to speed and do it that way.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: They're puting like laws of Europe. Yeah, exactly. The other
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: thing that we need to recognize is that again we
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: have this alleged conservative group. It's kind of irrelevant because
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: with the level of intimidation that we're seeing. I mean,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I just saw a picture yesterday to marshals outside of
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Brett Kabanov's house because there's a protest going down and
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: they're going to the other one. And so the concern
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: I have is these are good people. For the most part.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know them, but I imagine I'm giving the
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: benefit of doubt, but they come and they say, you
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: know what, if you don't rule in a certain way,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: it's not you that we're gonna kill. We're gonna take
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: your niece, we're gonna take your nephew, We'll kill your child.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: We know where they live. And so there's this temptation
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: or others can be bribed or maybe you know, you
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: go back to the firm that movie where they put
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: a situation with Tom Cruise and he gets he compromises,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: but they did it intentionally and then now they have
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: something on them. So do they have something on the
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the judges. Are they gonna intimidate where they gonna buy
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: them off? Or physically it's five people, that's all it takes.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, speaking of conspiracy theories, my view
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court is probably a little more nuanced
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: than that. I think they are all controlled and people
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: that followed our ministry, you know know that I've spoken
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: about that pretty openly. And by the way, I would
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: encourage folks, and I know you weren't supporting one or
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: the other. Taking an example here but an illustration, but
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you know, I would encourage people in case of Kavanaugh,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: do some research. Look at what that guy's background is
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: and kind of some of the things he stood for before.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: But either way, you're exactly right. It doesn't take much
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: to control people, and the Lucidferians are are really very
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: good at that. And they can do it through blackmail,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: they can do it through threats, they can do it
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: through compromise. You know, they know what your weakness is.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: They get you to pander to your weakness. They get
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: it on camera. Yep, and Frankly Mondo, nowadays with AI,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: it don't even have to be real, no deep.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Fakes man videos, audios. It's amazing now that they'll take
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I just I don't know the names of these hip
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: hop guys, but they took one rapper and they put
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: another rapper's music with his voice, and it was flawless
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: with the new AI technology. So it's amazing. One of
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: the things that you have here which I want to discuss,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: is what's coming next as it relates to we have
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: the agenda twenty thirty. They've talked recently. I saw Klauschweb
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: himself saying, Hey, things are going well, let's up our
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: agenda from twenty thirty early. But what do we expect next? Censorship,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: even new bio injections shaming, calling Christians or others that
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: just defy the narrative as being terrorists. Crackdowns vision. I
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: think false flags, food shortices, the false flag. I see
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: that as well, because one of the things that I saw,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: like in Australia, you'd see these people getting beat up,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: getting abused, and they weren't able to defend themselves as
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: against law down there to have weapons. And you think, now,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: how hard these latest shootings creating his false flags and
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: then blaming it on certain things in order to confiscate
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: guns the Second Amendment here.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm quite sure that most of the you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the propcy watchers audience knows what a false flag is,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: but just in case, because you're always picking up a
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: bigger audience. But a false flag, you know, goes back
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: centuries to a term to refer to when ships, naval
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: ships would actually goes back to pirates. Pirates would actually
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: raise on their ship a fake flag to make other
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: ships that they were approaching think they were friendly, but
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: then they'd come upon them and all of a sudden
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: turns out they would be an enemy. And well, that
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: became a technique that by the way is still taught
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: to this day at the American War College.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: As it should. As it should. It's a great I mean,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: it's a great destate war.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: So what you do is if you need, you know,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: people to get involved and u so. So later on
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: after the you know, the pirates made you assume, it
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: became just a very common technique and or it's still
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: caught in the taught in the American War College stand
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: down orders and false flag orders. But essentially, we have
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: some pretty famous ones in American history that came out
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: fifty years later, like the Gulf of Tonkin, which got
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: America into the Vietnam War. Fifty eight thousand soldiers gave
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: their lives, and we know that that incident never happened.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: It was a complete false flag, and so it's well documented.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: So the Gulf War really yeah yeah yeah. And the
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Golf War WMD, where are those yeah in the first
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Golf or the incubator babies, Yep, that one is so blatant.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: They literally hired an actress to appear and testify before
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Congress who claimed to be Iraqi and claimed she saw
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the soldiers pulling the babies out of incubator. And it
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: later came out she was a complete Hollywood actress. So
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, they will do anything they need to the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: deal the weapons of mass destruction. Colin Powell eventually admitted Yep,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: he was lied to. That was never happened. So they
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: they will do what they need to do to get
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: America behind it. And it's it's it's false flags and
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I that's what I think is probably coming next. And
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: they're doing this to your point with the gun lobby.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: You know, that's a good segue because as we one
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: of the other things that you talked about in the
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: DVD series, which is the question can we trust the government?
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: And you did a great job of just showing examples
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: from our own government all the way back and how
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: they flip flopped, and we saw in the last three years.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: You did a good montage of this, this, this, and
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: and and the challenge I have is, uh, they they
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the government agencies, the people that are supposedly the experts,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: they always come out uh front page, extremely confident making
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: declaration and then when they're wrong, it's like the backpage
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: or never even make it, and it's go hey. But
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: what's great now with the video is that you can
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: see them flip flopping all the way through and what
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: they said and like, oh, that's not what we mean,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: or you know, it does transmit it doesn't and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, or maybe at
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: the beginning of the day here at this conversation, but
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, can we trust the government?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a loaded question, but I would
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: say most of the time no. And I mean, I
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: know that sounds very cynical and it's.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean and you said this, it doesn't
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: just it doesn't mean every last person in the government
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: is a heretic or is evil wicked. That's not what
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: you're saying. But in general, what we've seen over the
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: past with with again people pulling the strings the government,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: there is this deep state government that there are those
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: that have been in power for a long time. It's
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: we're not even necessarily talking about the elected, we're talking
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: about those behind them, right.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, And we've documented that very extensively in our research.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that I've you know, discovered
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: since you know, studying this starting sixteen years ago, and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: we've done some pretty boots on the ground research with
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: you know, politicians and people, is that when when it
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: comes to the Congress, which every two years there's a
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: new election, right every two years, there's turnover in Congress.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: It's very difficult to control all fourder and thirty five
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: congressmen and women because you can't really control some of
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: the local elections. It's just difficult. And so you do
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: have every two years these patriotic and in some cases
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Bible believing, godly Christians that really love our country. They
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: want to do something positive, they want to go to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: d C. And so I you know, remember one particular congressman,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: one termer, he was elected during the Tea Party revolution,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: good man Christian. And I won't tell you where he's
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: from because I don't want people to I don't want
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: to out him. But he showed up in Congress and
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: he told the story he had a condo that he
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: would stay in when he was in d C. And
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: he told that within the first couple of weeks he
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: shared this privately, that he had a knock at the
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: door and when they went to answer the door, on
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the platform of the door was just a manila envelope
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: and they his wife bent down picked it up, nobody
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: was there, opened it and inside it were pictures of
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: his children from that afternoon playing on the playground, and
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: that's all it was. Well, this started happening pretty regularly,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: and it was the implication was we're watching you, we
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: know where your children live. And then it started basically
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: making threats. And so that's one way that they get
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: you to do, Hey, we can hurt you. You do
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: what I say. The other is they use back in
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: the day especially, they would get you in a compromising position,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and you know, they know, they do their homework, They
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: know what people's weaknesses are. Could be money, could be sex,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: could be powered, could be gambling, could be drugs, and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: they get you compromise and then all they got to
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: do is show you pictures or video and now you're
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you know, you're sunk. You got to do what they say.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: They also use just money. They start giving you money
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's ten thousand dollars and
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: the next thing, it's fifty thousand dollars. First thing, you know,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: you're living a lifestyle that you can't get out of,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and to come clean would mean to give up this
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: extravagant lifestyle. So much easier to control people, I guess
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: than people might think. But absolutely, the government has a
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: long history in our country of bad people doing bad things.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: As you rightly said, doesn't mean everybody there is in
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: that camp. But we do need to break free from
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: this mistaken notion that somehow, you know, Oh yeah, I
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: can see Hitler or Stalin or Lenen or Polepot or
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: male being evil. But I just can't let my mind
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: go there when I think about American leaders. Well, do
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: some digging. You'll find out that not everything that gold.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to bring up some of the
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: topics that you bring up in the in the video,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: for sure, is who's pulling the strings? Well, certainly we
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: know that satan the world. You know again, we've said
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: that before fort sew five nineteen. The world lies on
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the sway of the wicked one. But we have media,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: we have you give examples of the government sponsored experiments
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: or projects against its own citizens. You talk about has
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: the government ever lied? Can we trust the government? How
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: can we tell the government? How can we tell the
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: government is lying? And you have you look for verifiable eyes,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: look for waffling. You gave examples of all these logical
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: fallacies you know, equivocation, watching for hint, hidden agendas, expecting conformity.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: If you don't conform, now your you're threatened and intimidated.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: A history of deception and watching for censorship. I mean
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: all these things that you just I mean listed here,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: you listed whatever. We've seen those exact things not only
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: fifty years ago or eighty years ago, but now it's
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: like all of them are being used in the past
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: few years.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so one classic example that we give in
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: the videos, and you're right, we have several examples, but
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: one that just really jumps off the screen at you
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: is back during the early days of the pandemic, when
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: you've got you know, the CDC director, the Surgeon General,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: even Fauci on camera, on record saying, whatever you do,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: don't wear a mask. Don't wear a mask. In fact
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: that the Surgeon General said it can be dangerous to
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: wear a mask. I mean the CDC, the original CDC
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: director and so, and then what happens, all of a sudden,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: just in a matter of weeks, it's like everybody must
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: wear a mask. I've got the cd a clip of
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the CDC director appearing before Congressional committee hearing, and he's saying,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: in fact, this mask is more valuable than the vaccine,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: this will save more. Yeah, and so they just completely waffled.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: And you know, I did the legwork there and looked
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: at several medical generals American Medical Association, JAMA, the Land
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: which is the British one, and there's literally over one
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: hundred peer reviewed studies from the last one hundred years
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: showing that masks do not protect against asar's, you know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: severe acute respiratory virus. There just doesn't work. And yet
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, oh the science changed. We finally
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: got smart enough after studying viruses for one hundred years,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: we now figured out, oh, what do you know?
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: They do work?
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  Speaker 1: And so, I mean that's just one small example, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you need to look for the signs of government lying.
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  Speaker 2: So you're pastoring, right, Yes, you've been pastoring for hell long.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Plumb Creek Chapel. I've been pastoring on and off
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  Speaker 1: for my whole ministry career thirty almost thirty five years.
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  Speaker 1: Spent some time in academics, and then we started not
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: by works ministries. But we're currently the lead teaching pastor
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  Speaker 1: at Plumb Creek Chapel in Sedalia.
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  Speaker 2: Colorado, and so you've been there how long? Three years?
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Three years? Okay? So certainly during oh yeah, okay, so
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: myself as well, I was pastoring church in Tahoe and
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: the I would say that the majority of people it
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: was wonderful. I mean they were they loved the Lord
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: and all that. There were a few outliers, and as always, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the challenge comes where these are people that you love,
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  Speaker 2: you're pastoring, you're shepherding, you've been working with them in
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: ministry for a long time. And and occasionally though, you're
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: like when the government came out and made their prognostications.
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  Speaker 2: And so what we did is I was like, oh wow,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: to millions dead, millions dead. Now are corregration. It is
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: a little bit older. So we said, okay, well, well
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: two weeks to flatten the curve, right, Okay, we'll do that. Well,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: well we'll do We'll go online and and and then
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: it didn't take long. It was just several weeks, a
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: few weeks where we decided, you know, it's not quite
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: quite what they're saying, and it's doing research. And so
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: we came back relatively quickly, especially compared to others. We
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: run the Nevada sides we had a very conservative county,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: and that the sheriff said, we're not enforcing any of
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: that garbage of the government. And one time are the
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: police The sheriff station was just right, not too far
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  Speaker 2: from us. Well, they would always park right across the street,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: and so at the donut shop, the coffee shop, which
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: was was we had one right across. But I remember
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: pulling in and going, well, today's the day because he's
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: watching all these all these cars coming in. We're parking
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: right there in the parking lot, which he could see us.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: And they didn't do anything and didn't enforce it. And
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: but yet what I found was explaining some of the evidence.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: I was shocked that why is it sometimes the average
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: person American, average American, but even some Christians not all.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: It's like they don't want to know. They don't want
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: to believe that the government would be that bad. They
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: don't want to know the facts about masks or the
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: inefficacy of the injections and other things. Why do you
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: think that is?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there are several things that play into
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: that mass deception. Media is a big part of it.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Fear for sure, the fear playing on our fears, the
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: psychosis of just watching all day because you were kind
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: of locked down. So what do you do? You watch
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: all these watch all that and the tickers tickers with
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: the Dane counting the deaths, and you know, people outside
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: nursing homes crying because they can only look through the
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: window at Grandma. So that really played on people. And
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: then I think just that they it's hard for people
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: to break free of the notion that you can't trust
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the media. And we talk about that, you know, Operation
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: mocking Berg, going back to the fifties where the media,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: all the major media outlets were co opted by the
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: CIA to advance a narrative. So I think people are
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: just just easily deceived and it's normalcy bias. It's hard
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to break free from that, Mark Twain. It's easier to
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: deceive people than to convinced them they've been deceived. Yeah,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: for sure, but you know real quick, you know you're
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Our experience was very similar to yours. I came to
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: the Denver area. We actually don't live in that area.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: We lived about an hour away with our ministry, not
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: by works, but I travel up there for teaching, uh,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: and we came to that church in the height of
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: the pandemic, and so we had two different experiences. We
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: were living in remotely in the mountains, and we had
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: a small group of believers up there that we didn't
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: have a building or anything, but we met as our
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: local church, and they went to one extreme. They were
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: absolutely bought the narrative hook line and sinker, and the
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: sheriffs and the authorities up there literally called all the
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: pastors in that area and said we're going to be
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: patrolling on Sundays you're parking lot to make sure you
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: don't meet Wow. And it was just a nightmare. But
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: where we were when I came to this other church,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: fortunately the previous pastor and the leadership was like minded.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: They had chosen kind of like you. And so many
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: churches initially kind of shut down because nobody was really
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: sure what was going on, but very quickly realized, you know,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: this is not good. We're going to start meeting again.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: And similarly, the sheriff in that case said no, we're
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: not going to enforce it. And so I was there,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: you know, right in the middle of that twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: and twenty one. I can't even remember a twenty twenty actually,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: and I would get the try how County Health Department
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: would call because my numbers on the church website, and
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: he would say, hey, we're getting complaints from people, you know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: driving by and seeing that you guys are meeting. And
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I'd just say, okay, you know, and thank you very much,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: thank you for sharing. But you know, they were trying
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: to bully us and threaten us because you know, Emergency
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Health Hours Powers Act gave all of these health departments,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: these unelected bureaucrafts, authority to become you know please. Yeah,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: so we just ignored it because we knew the sheriff
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: had said he wasn't going to enforce it, and you know,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: eventually it worked out.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean, let's kind of wrap this up
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: in the same of So you got thirteen hours of
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: teaching on here, and obviously he spent a lot of
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: research on this. And I think in terms of the
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: average Christian, why why do they needy of those can't
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: why not just keep your head in the sand and
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: you know, go preach the gospel and worry about that.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Why do people need to know this information?
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Well, so, first of all, because the Bible teaches end
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: times prophecy, and these are all factors that are setting
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: the stage for exactly what we see written in scripture. So,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: you know, everything happens in a context, and we live
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: in a world that is rapidly heading towards the finish line,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: and Satan thinks he's getting close. God's word is you know,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Israel became a nation in nineteen forty eight. Everything sort
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: of seems to be coalescing. So the scripture tells us
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: to study the whole counsel of God. I think secondly,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: there are biblical principles at play here, one of which
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: is the wise person sees trouble coming and prepares for
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: it Proverbs twenty two to three. So it can be
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: very dangerous to stick your head in the sand. If
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: you are playing around on a train track and you
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: see a locomotive headed your way, you need to get
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: off the track. And the people that were able to
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: survive other key moments in world history where tyranny was
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: coming down the track, where those that saw it coming
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: and prepared for it, you know, the people that survived
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: the Holocaust, where the Jews and the Christians that saw
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: what was coming in the thirties and kind of said
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: oh oh, and they made preparations. The people that with
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: they're head in the sands were the ones that got
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: on the trains, And so I think, you know, there's
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: a biblical mandate to study this stuff, be aware of it.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: And you know, everybody's asking. As the DVD series is
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: titled what in the World's going on? We try to
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: explain through a biblical lens exactly how to connect the dots.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think how many times are we told? You know,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Jesus would say as the end approach is the end
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: of the age, in the all of a discourse in
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: other passages, don't be deceived. I mean that's a command.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: It's not like, you know, if you get around to it,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: you know, make sure you're not deceived. No, He's telling
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: us over and over, do not be deceived. That that's
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: an imperative. I think secondly, as you just mentioned that
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: if we care about others and we want to see
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: them go to heaven and to escape the coming wrath,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: that we would be equipped, you know, for Spirit three
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: fifteen tells us to always be ready to give, to
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: give a defense, to give an answer for the hope
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: that we have, and that involves in my mind, understanding
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: the times. You know, again, what in the world is
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: going on the title, we won't be able to tell people.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: We'll tell you what's going on. The Bible tells us
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: what's going on.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, first John four to one. Also, your brethren do
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: not believe every spirit, but tests the spirits. For many
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: false prophets have gone out in the world. So we
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: have a Biblical mandata on many fronts to know the
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: truth and to proclaim the truth and defend the truth.
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  Speaker 2: Amen. JB. Hixsons here. Thank you guys for listening today.
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• 59:55
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