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#1950 Dating AI - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get at me into you project. It's Tiffany and Cook,
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  Speaker 1: It's Patrick James Bonello. It's me, the one in the
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  Speaker 1: middle on my screen anyway, the one in the middle, tiff.
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  Speaker 1: Where am I on your screen? Middle? Bottom? Top?
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  Speaker 2: You are the middle child, But I've got to speak
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  Speaker 2: of you, so you're real big when you talk.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't like that. I don't like that. Patrick.
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  Speaker 1: Where am I on yours? And where's tiff on yours?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you're at the top and tips at the bottom,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm being cuddled in the middle.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So you've got like a little kind of
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  Speaker 1: like a vertical pile of us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, your big spoon and TIFF's little spoon.
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  Speaker 2: I have to put it on speak of you otherwise
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  Speaker 2: I'm like a little budgery gar with a mirror.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, look at that.
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  Speaker 3: That's me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, I don't like that. I like every
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  Speaker 1: like do you know what I do? I have Patrick's
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  Speaker 1: notes that he sent through in the middle of my
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  Speaker 1: gigantic screen, and then our little faces up the top,
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  Speaker 1: all like about the size of a match box.
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  Speaker 3: So you really don't see us at all.
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  Speaker 1: Now I can see you clearly, totally can tolerate that
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  Speaker 1: can see clearly. Now Lorraine has gone, Thank goodness. Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with you in what looks like the International
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  Speaker 1: Space station where you are look.
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  Speaker 3: No, well, okay, I'm sitting at my little podcast studio
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  Speaker 3: and I've got a fake International space station background. But
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  Speaker 3: I really want to kind of focus on a more
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  Speaker 3: important thing because our listeners can't see that we're actually
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  Speaker 3: sitting in three different locations using zoom. They just didn't
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  Speaker 3: see you use a tea towel to blow your nose.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a tea towel, it's.
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  Speaker 3: A chemy that you wipe up with.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not a chammy. It's a yellow kerchief.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like a chevy. You just wipe his face
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  Speaker 3: with a Chevy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now that you mentioned it, that's probably not a
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  Speaker 1: bad idea. But I mean, shemys are for wiping things,
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  Speaker 1: so I might look into that.
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  Speaker 3: And then your face would look a lot cleaner. Sorry,
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  Speaker 3: that started off well, didn't it.
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  Speaker 1: I just I was praising you. I was telling everyone.
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  Speaker 1: I was telling you three before we went live that
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  Speaker 1: on the International Banello scale of how good people can be,
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  Speaker 1: you're the high watermark. And then you shit care me
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  Speaker 1: straight out of the gate on my own fucking show.
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted to clarify that you weren't using you
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  Speaker 3: get your voice a couple of octaves lower as nuts.
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  Speaker 3: Now Fritz is on his bed warming here I turned
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  Speaker 3: the heater on early. Now I'm getting too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh now he's getting fuck and now he's getting his
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  Speaker 1: guns out. Sheep id you hold yourself back. Ah, dear Chip,
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  Speaker 1: how are you? Good morning?
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  Speaker 2: Fabulous harps, thanks fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: How's how's the household full of animals?
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's goods, everything's calm, everything's calm.
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  Speaker 4: Now, happy animals.
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  Speaker 1: I found a new animal that both of you would want.
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  Speaker 1: What is it? It's a it's a a hybrid, so
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  Speaker 1: not it's not pretend it's real. I think it's called
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  Speaker 1: a doxam anyway, a dog and a fox hybrid.
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  Speaker 3: Really yeah, I just looked up doxham, and I mustn't
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  Speaker 3: have spelled it correctly, because I just got the women.
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  Speaker 3: Don't look up doxam. Whatever you do.
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  Speaker 1: Sure you didn't look up buxham.
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  Speaker 3: No do o x U M. I don't know, it.
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  Speaker 1: Might be I am, I don't know. Just look dog,
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  Speaker 1: look dog fox hybrid. Oh, this is great, I'll just
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  Speaker 1: talk to everyone because those two dumbasses. I guess it's
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  Speaker 1: on my instruction, so it's my fault. Have you seen it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they're.
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  Speaker 3: Ugly, don't you. Actually they do kind of have a
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  Speaker 3: cute little foxy fog.
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  Speaker 2: God, they look like a bloody hyena hybrid.
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  Speaker 1: Ah. I thought you two were animal lovers.
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  Speaker 3: Well yeah, but Tiff, you know, has her lovely animal.
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  Speaker 4: It's got to be cute. It's a little easy stick up,
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  Speaker 4: like a little ewok.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I don't know that i'd want one
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  Speaker 1: in the house.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like the answer to the question no one asked, Well.
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  Speaker 1: Fucking sorry, Sigmund Freud, what would you like to talk about? Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: Leonardo da Vinci sorrow? Sorry Jesus, where would you like
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  Speaker 1: to go with the conversation? Come on, Delai Lama, you
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  Speaker 1: open the batting.
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  Speaker 3: You know I've got a connection to the deal alarm.
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  Speaker 3: And not only have I been in the same room
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  Speaker 3: with the Delai Lama, I was born on the same day.
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  Speaker 1: You and I were in the same room at the
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  Speaker 1: same time with him, Damas, how's your memory?
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  Speaker 3: I did say that, I didn't I just conveniently left
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  Speaker 3: you out of the equation.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to so Now Central. I'm Patrick Beranello. Episode
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  Speaker 1: number I'm not sure. Hey tell do you want to
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  Speaker 1: hear Madellai Lama story? Come on, bro, do better.
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  Speaker 4: This is already my favorite episode.
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  Speaker 3: Really, we're talking to nobody because everyone's turned off.
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  Speaker 1: They love this except our listeners are maniacs. They're like,
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  Speaker 1: fuck all the information, just talk shit?
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  Speaker 3: Can I just all about something? All of them this week?
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  Speaker 3: I remember how a few weeks ago we offered people
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  Speaker 3: a free domain name and like nothing happened, no one
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  Speaker 3: took it up. And then and then I got a
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  Speaker 3: message from Lovely Magdalena who says that this is her
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  Speaker 3: favorite segment of the show. How good is that. She's
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  Speaker 3: in Adelaide and and she she is a one of
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  Speaker 3: those she does a civil celebrant, so it got chatting
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  Speaker 3: to her during the week. But she loves the show,
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  Speaker 3: she loves the well.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out, shout out to Magdalene.
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  Speaker 3: Magdalena, it is but everyone calls a magde when you
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  Speaker 3: get close and personal, you know, once you becomes.
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  Speaker 1: Someone for seventeen minutes, now it's his bestie. It's pretty
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  Speaker 1: much joined at the hip for a state of time.
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  Speaker 1: He's so needy everyone, whatever you do, don't send him
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  Speaker 1: an email. You'll never fucking get rid of him.
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  Speaker 3: This is actually very very god oh god, Okay, let's
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  Speaker 3: start again.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to the You Project. I'm Craig Harper.
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  Speaker 1: This is a hard hitting podcast where we explore the
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  Speaker 1: human experience.
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  Speaker 2: Hi.
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  Speaker 3: Patrick, Oh hey Craig, Nice to see you. Hi Tiff,
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  Speaker 3: Great to have you on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tiff, gooday, gooday, gooday. All silliness societe. How what
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  Speaker 1: is mag to do? So she's a civil celebrate, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so weddings and funerals.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's kind of tending towards funerals now, which
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  Speaker 3: kind of makes sense because you've got a plan a wedding,
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  Speaker 3: what eighteen months in advance, different minds, And also, you know,
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  Speaker 3: weddings are on weekends, right and funerals are during the week,
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  Speaker 3: So if you want to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Sure about your rational on that makes sense? What so
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  Speaker 1: what are you saying like it's much more convenient for
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  Speaker 1: people to die is less planning?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you've got a pretty ongoing, steady audience, haven't you
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  Speaker 3: really when you think about it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, this got this took a dark turn. Let's
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  Speaker 1: start again. Everyone, welcome to the you project.
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  Speaker 3: Look because I would Okay, now I have in my
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  Speaker 3: will a very clear I do not want a funeral.
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  Speaker 3: I've got two and a half grand at the local pub,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm inviting all my friends me not included, of course.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe in an ashtray.
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  Speaker 1: I should just put you in a weekend at Bernie's
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  Speaker 1: style outfit and fucking prop you in the corner.
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  Speaker 3: Now, my twin brother will probably be there, so I'll
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  Speaker 3: just know, just look at him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that'll be. That'll freak people out. He should just
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  Speaker 1: he should put on a white sheet and just walk
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  Speaker 1: in halfway through unannounced. Go what do you all doing? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: No, but if you if you don't want a religious
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  Speaker 3: ceremony and you want a celebrant to do a wedding
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  Speaker 3: or a funeral or something, it kind of makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah anyway, So magnismine, you mate.
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  Speaker 1: You and I chatted about this yesterday to forty your thoughts,
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  Speaker 1: Like Patrick and I fucking much to both of our annoyance,
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  Speaker 1: we kind of agree on this, which is a weird thing.
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  Speaker 1: So just put that in the typ diary and that
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  Speaker 1: neither of us really want a funeral. I I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the idea of people. Yeah, I know the people
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  Speaker 1: coming from all over to stand around and go, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he was a good bloke when they probably didn't really
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  Speaker 1: think that half of them, and then everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody thinks it. With Patrick, you gotta put on something.
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  Speaker 2: Though he's not saying nobody gets anything in safe.
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy to do that. I just don't want a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of people in a church staring at a coffin
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  Speaker 1: with what used to be me in it. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: there anymore.
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  Speaker 3: What about you?
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  Speaker 4: But where are you going to go? When you're not
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  Speaker 4: on to the other place.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to the next place. I'm just warming up.
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  Speaker 4: Now you're gonna drop by, and just you know, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Going to be watching you like a fucking hawk, and
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  Speaker 1: you better do better. You just remember I'm around.
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  Speaker 3: Don't you pay attention to You?
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  Speaker 1: Pay attention because you go? Is that you.
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  Speaker 4: Harps carrying to it at this moment, we'll live with
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  Speaker 4: me forever.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 4: I hope I go first, because.
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  Speaker 1: Because when I go to God, that's what Mary says.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere when it comes to you, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna to look over here.
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  Speaker 4: That's crapy nowhere about that?
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, Patrick, So I want to get again. Hey everyone,
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  Speaker 5: welcome to the You project, fifth time we've started. So
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  Speaker 5: what do your family and friends think about the idea
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  Speaker 5: of just boos and chips at the pub but no
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  Speaker 5: actual funeral.
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  Speaker 3: My friends think it's a great idea, but I haven't
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  Speaker 3: really articulated it to my family. I've just basically said
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  Speaker 3: I don't want a funeral. They tap now, well, now
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  Speaker 3: have you? Everyone knows?
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  Speaker 1: So what will they do with your body? Just pop
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  Speaker 1: it in the garden or something, or some food, Just
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  Speaker 1: turn you into a bag of fertilizer. That's okay, tips
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  Speaker 1: reading something you can tell you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm deep in thought. I'm deep in thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about well, people like yourself and myself. You
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  Speaker 2: have to have the conversation, like I'm like, have you
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  Speaker 2: let me listen?
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  Speaker 4: Know what?
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  Speaker 2: How this party is going to roll out? Because it's
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  Speaker 2: not like there's a significant other hanging around in the
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  Speaker 2: next room waiting to put it all together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well that would Melissa would probably have to
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  Speaker 1: be the one that would execute my wishes.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think she's.
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  Speaker 1: Not a big fan of talking about me dying, So
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  Speaker 1: I'll just pop it in a little email and she
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  Speaker 1: can open it when I die. I'll go there you go,
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  Speaker 1: here you go.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but yes, I love you again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: See, it's been great. It's been great. You can have
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  Speaker 1: you know, all my Camo shorts and yeah, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: might even get a motorbike. Who knows, I'll have to
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  Speaker 1: give you one. You can ride though, I mean you can,
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  Speaker 1: Frid well. But what I mean is there are a
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  Speaker 1: couple of them a bit big for you.
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  Speaker 3: You gave away that pinball machine. That's what I would
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  Speaker 3: have wanted. You're all pinball?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is true. I did give that away.
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  Speaker 1: What would you like of mind, Patrick?
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  Speaker 3: Your pinball? Okay, all right, a big framed poster.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any chance we could talk about tech today?
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  Speaker 1: And I know I'm the problem so far?
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay, so this is important because that email that
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  Speaker 3: you were going to send, like it's sitting in wherever
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  Speaker 3: it's sitting on your computer. What happens if your computer
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  Speaker 3: get tacked and ransomware locks you out of that important
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  Speaker 3: email to Melissa with instructions of the piss up when
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  Speaker 3: you diet.
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  Speaker 1: Oh shit, I don't know. I guess i'd have to
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  Speaker 1: have a plan. B. Yeah, i'd have to. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, okay, so tell me what I do.
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  Speaker 3: Well, because you know how ransomware works, so you probably
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  Speaker 3: familiar ish with how ransomware works. So someone hacks into
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  Speaker 3: your computer, you click on it an unsuspecting link, and
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  Speaker 3: then what the ransomware does. It locks up all the files,
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  Speaker 3: It encodes them so you can't access them. Then you
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  Speaker 3: get contacted by the nefarious people who have done that,
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  Speaker 3: and they extort money from you to unlock those files
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  Speaker 3: so you can get access to your data again. And
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: there have been companies that have actually gone bankrupt and
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  Speaker 3: have shut down because they didn't want to pay the ransom. Well,
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  Speaker 3: they couldn't afford the ransom. So this is really sick.
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  Speaker 3: And in Japan now police have now there's two types
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  Speaker 3: of ransomware that are very prolific. One is called Faux
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  Speaker 3: Boss and one is called eight Base, And now Japanese
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  Speaker 3: police are saying they've cracked it. They've they've worked out
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  Speaker 3: a way to encrypt that ransomware data, the stuff that's
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  Speaker 3: been you know, but that's locked to beredy out and
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  Speaker 3: they're giving it away for free, which I thought was
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  Speaker 3: kind of a cool thing because you know, if you're
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  Speaker 3: a small business or an individual who's been subjected to
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  Speaker 3: having all their information and it could just be all
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  Speaker 3: your photos and all the words, and imagine all the
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  Speaker 3: work you've done for your PhD. Could you imagine devastating
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  Speaker 3: that would be. So I just think it's great that
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  Speaker 3: the Japanese police have done this. There was a big
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  Speaker 3: operation recently where they raided these people who make these
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  Speaker 3: ransomware tools, and it looks like they've cracked it. So
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  Speaker 3: that's that's kind of good news for people out there.
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  Speaker 3: So they're giving it away for free. You can go
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  Speaker 3: you can go to their website and there's an English
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  Speaker 3: version as well, and you can hopefully use it to
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  Speaker 3: decrypt any of the ransomware that might have infected your system.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon Japan are ahead of the game. They do
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  Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff over there. They seem to
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  Speaker 1: be they seem to have a good social conscience for
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  Speaker 1: everyone as well, like they seem to genuinely care about people,
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  Speaker 1: which is nice. So yeah, is is that that's more
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  Speaker 1: that's not so much the individual out in suburbia. Is
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  Speaker 1: it's more companies and organizations that are going to have
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  Speaker 1: that threat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, will not necessarily, No, everybody can be affected by it,
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  Speaker 3: that's right. It's so prolific, and it could just be
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  Speaker 3: that it's the freckle faced kid who decides to try
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  Speaker 3: to infect someone's computer and wants fifty bucks down to
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  Speaker 3: you know, the big mega corporation where they're trying to
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  Speaker 3: extort twenty million dollars. You know. The problem is these tools,
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  Speaker 3: these ransom tools, and now fairly readily available to people
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  Speaker 3: who know where to look at them in the dark,
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  Speaker 3: deep corners of the Internet. And that's the problem. It's
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  Speaker 3: making it easier for people to access this stuff. So
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  Speaker 3: I just thought it was a little plus for anybody
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  Speaker 3: that might potentially get ransomed.
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  Speaker 1: I think I told you about this a year or
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  Speaker 1: two ago on the show. Somebody sent me an email going,
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  Speaker 1: we've got access to whatever. No, we've got Actually it's
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  Speaker 1: a video of you being inappropriate while watching it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: like that, if you don't send us whatever we're going
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  Speaker 1: to I'm like, knock yourself out. Send it out. My
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  Speaker 1: friends would love that, would they love it?
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  Speaker 4: When they sent it to me, I wasn't that impressed.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, I'm on, but you didn't find the zoom function digitis.
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  Speaker 6: Ah, is that right, mister ed Hello Wilbur, All right,
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  Speaker 6: could you talk about Chinese authorities and how they're using
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  Speaker 6: a new tool Patrick?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how I just jumped straight out of that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of interesting. We're talking about ransom, we're
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  Speaker 3: now talking about malware. Chinese authorities have worked out they
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  Speaker 3: can use malware to break into people's phones when you
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  Speaker 3: enter We kind of heard about this in the United
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  Speaker 3: States when you travel to the United States, where your
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  Speaker 3: phone could be seized and they demand that you give
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  Speaker 3: them access. And look, I don't know if there's due
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  Speaker 3: cause or whatever, but now they're saying, if you go
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  Speaker 3: to China, there's a real possibility that even if you
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  Speaker 3: don't give them access, they can hack into your phone
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  Speaker 3: physically they need to have it. But what this is
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: the kind of a warning for people who are traveling
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  Speaker 3: to China. And the concern also is for Chinese nationals.
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  Speaker 3: If you happen to be a journalist in China and
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  Speaker 3: you say something that's concrete to the state policy, and
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  Speaker 3: you know that that could be really concerning as well.
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  Speaker 3: So this was in our article on tech Crunch, and
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  Speaker 3: they were reporting on a mobile computer company, a company
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  Speaker 3: called Lockout, and they were saying that, yeah, this new
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  Speaker 3: tool now looks like they can hacken to at least
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  Speaker 3: all the Android phones out there. Ones tend to be
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  Speaker 3: a little bit harder to break into, and Apple have
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  Speaker 3: had some really big kind of fights with you know,
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  Speaker 3: large kind of governments that have kind of said to them, well,
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  Speaker 3: we're not going to let you access our phones. One
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  Speaker 3: of the things we take a lot of pride in
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  Speaker 3: is the security on our phones. And that's a real
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: problem because if say someone's accused of doing something nefarious
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: or it might be terrorism related, they may want to
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: get access to their phone data. And you know, Apple's
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: kind of standing by its customers and saying, well, we
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: lock people out. We you know, this is your privacy,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: and we encrypt the data and even if we could
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: open it, we couldn't see it. So that's the the
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: you know, the the stands that Apple takes. But there
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: has been a big uptake of Apple phones. I thought
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: that was interesting when I was in China that when
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I first went there in twenty thirteen, nobody had our
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: iPhones at all, and everybody was using Android and mainly
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Samsung and Huiawei and show me and all that sort
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: of thing. And then next time I was there, maybe
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: five or six years later, I saw a lot more
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: iPhones out there, which was interesting. And Australia has a
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: really high percentage of people on iPhones.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just kind of curious. But anyway, so I should
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: know this. But they're all made in China.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Right, No, not all phones are made in China, the iPhone.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: That's a really good question. I don't know, Crago, I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: not sure. I know, can you find that out? I
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: know Trump was trying to get them made or maybe
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: assembled in the United States, so maybe some of the
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: cool components and then they're assembled, because that was the
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: big thing with tariffs that you know, there was a
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: bit of a panic for the likes of iPhone, even
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: though it's an American company. Apple is obviously a mega
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: American company, but because they're manufacturing off shore, it means
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: that they were subject to tariffs, and then that was
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: lifted for ninety days, if you remember, right.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Can I raise a topic that isn't on your list,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: but I think you'll find it interesting nonetheless, because it
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: intersects your world and mine. So there's a whole lot
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: of I don't know what the word is, but I'm
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: going to say angst it's not the right word. But
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: it's in the ballpark with universities around Australia and around
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: the world at the moment trying to figure out how
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the fuck to navigate undergrad degrees and postgrad degrees and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: people and how AI is going to be integrated into
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the academic process because it is so easy to cheat now,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: especially with undergrad degrees where you've basically got to do
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: assignments and research projects. Primarily they can't obviously they can't
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: say to students you can't use AI because it's past
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that point. But they're now trying to figure it, figure it,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: figure out how to how to do that, what that
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: looks like. And I was talking to my senior supervisor yesterday, Chris,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: who's you know, a professor, got two PhDs, blah blah blah,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And he's actually in the middle of conversations with my
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: university around this at the moment. And one of the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: challenges is that the people who are very high up
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: in these organizations are generally older and they don't really
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: understand AI. So but then all the people who do
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: have great understanding are not the decision makers. So it's
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting moving forward to see how
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you know, like my PhD is going to be by
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the time I finished six years of work but foreseeably
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: done the right way, And I put that with an
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: asterisk next to it. Somebody could do all of the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: work in a PhD in four weeks if they knew
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: what they were doing, depending on the type, Like they
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: couldn't do mine because mine was independent research, right as
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: in people in rooms and all of that. But yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see how that unfolds
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: over the next one two five years.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, because you could do a PhD based on someone
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: else's research, can't you, or the data from research well
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: you care.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Well, you can do papers. You probably couldn't do an
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: entire PhD, but you can. Like one of my papers
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: is called a systematic review, which is where I look
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: at basically all of the work that's been done in
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: a particular area, in this case, meta accuracy. And I
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: started with sixteen hundred papers or sixteen hundred journal articles,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: research projects from different people and distilled it to one
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen and then created a table out of that,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and that's become the core of this one paper. But yeah,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: there would definitely be a way, depending on the design
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of your PhD and the field of research, where somebody
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: could cheat and produce the equivalent work of a four
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: or five year journey in a month probably best.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I think the question for me when I think about this,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: because I haven't obviously done a PhD, but how much
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: of the work that you did was kind of manual
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: grunt work as opposed to analysis. So say, for example,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: you took all that data and you said how many
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: articles referenced this phrase. Now you could go through manually
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: and say, oh, yeah, that one did, that one didn't,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: that one didn't, that one did, But you could also
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: plug it onto AI and it would instantly give you
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: all the articles that reference that phrase. So I'm thinking
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: in terms of writing something down and adding it up
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: and using a calculator. You know, it's just makes life easier.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: So I think that, and you're right because we're still
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: coming to terms with AI. You know, your six year
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: project maybe could have been done in two years because
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: the grunt work could have been used by AI. You know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: there'd be validation and all that sort of thing. But
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: so I'm thinking it's it comes back to what's the
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Spider Man quote, with great power comes great responsibility.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I love a good Spider Man reference.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I love that. On a side note,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: you didn't see the video this morning of the guy
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: who went to court, you know, the graffiti guy who did.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw him on the news wearing Spider Man.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But getting back to this, so, you know, so
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: potentially your good, your use of AI could streamline what
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: is a very laborious process. And that's what I was
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: kind of getting to using the tools in the right
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: way one And.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I think, look, there are like I had to read
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: through hundreds and hundreds of journal articles and you can't
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: get the knowledge. You're like, you actually need to read them.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: At the very least, you need to do a solid
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: skin which could be a half hour or an hour
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: of a paper if not read it, start to finish, right.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: But then yeah, there are certainly things where I could say, listen,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I want show me some research that supports this idea,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: some you know, and like he's the idea, Bubba, and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: then I'll give you a bunch of papers, a bunch
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of references or quotes, you know, the name of the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: study the year of the study, the authors of the study,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and then I can decide whether or not I want
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to integrate that into my research, you know. But that's
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: that's a good use, you know. But but there are
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: you know, some students now that are getting AI to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: actually write their work. Like there will be a homework
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: question and I'll say, you know, do a project on
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: this and that, exploring this particular whatever, and it can
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: AI can produce that, you know, and then they can
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: jump in and manipulate a little bit. So there's a
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: thing called there's a thing called turn it in. I
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: think that's what it's called, where you actually you can
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: put the paper that you wrote, whether or not you
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: wrote it, into this program and it tells you it
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: will give you a turnet in score basically on how
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: much of it is being ripped off directly from other sources.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: The problem now is AI can write it in a
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: way where the turnet in score comes out like it's
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: completely original from you, despite the fact that it's totally
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: not original. I could have a bit of that wrong.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: But that's my understanding.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: You have checks and measures, because I know that we've
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: hung out before where you've had to prepare for presentations.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: So throughout the whole process there are checks and measures
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: along the way, and there is an oral presentation where
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: you really need to be grilled on what your knowledge
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: base is. So I guess the owners is now going
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: to be on the institution's universities to try to come
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: up with ways to make sure that someone like yourself
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: could be through those processes grilled on whatever the topic is.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but then you've got to have smart
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: people there can understand what you're talking about.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. TIF did you find out?
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Oh thanks for coming back to me.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel a bit?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like we're all through the forest together and
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: you guys throw a stick and I go chase it,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: and then you turn and change direction, and I'm like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: where are they wait for me?
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I remember, that's the best analogy ever.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: I was just sitting over your wagon.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: My tail of phones and this is the same for
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Android are made in China and the other ten percent
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: are mostly India and Vietnam.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: The problem is not the problem but the benefits slash
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: problem is that they do a really good job. They're
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: really cost effective, you know. They it's and then to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: do the same thing in Australia would just they probably
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: or they potentially wouldn't be as good and they would
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: cost two or three times as much and we probably
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: don't have the capacity to do it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tim is a string mate.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, OK, Brian, how are you well? Thanks? Tiff, don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: feel free to jump in You're You're an integral part
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: of the conversation with lu you.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: And also I just want you to know your scene.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: I was just waiting for one of you to take
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: a breath. That's all.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: A while, have you not before?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I think chatty mcs chatster in the International Space Station's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: got you and me both covered.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Wow, hey, you know talking. Just to continue the theme
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: of AI, it's there's real concerns with a lot of
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: news sites that Google's new way of summarizing. So, I
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: don't know if you've noticed. You do a Google search
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: now and it gives you an AI summary first.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Now the problem is this a new study. This has
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: come out of the guard in newspaper. It's an exclusive
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: in the Guardian and the study claims that previously sites
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: that were ranked really high can lose up to seventy
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: nine percent of all their traffic because people aren't bothering
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: to go to the site. They're just using the AI
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: overview and they're not drilling down any further. So there's
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: a massive drop in online site traffic purely because people
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: are just going with the summary, because the AI summary
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: is pig good. I mean, I do use it a
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: little bit. I find that sometimes maybe thirty percent of
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the time, it's inaccurate and I have to look further.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: But that's problematic, and generally I tend to use it
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: for technical questions. It might be in relation to, say,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: you know, something I'm doing in some web design and
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I need some help going through a process. So I've
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: found that that's not always accurate, and I really honestly
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: think it's probably about thirty percent of the stuff can
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: be a bit crap, but this is really causing a
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: lot of concern for those webs sites that rely on
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: that organic search traffic. So there's two types of search.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: When you I don't want to kind of go into
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: the boring territory, but there's paid advertising where you see
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: little sponsored ad and you can pay to bump up
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: that information or this is what we call organic, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: that's really hard earned by creating content that is related
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: for specific topic, and then Google says, oh, yeah, this
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: is really interesting. You know, if I looked up the
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: you project, then your website would be very high in
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: that list because you're the authority when it comes to
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: the you project, because you are the U project. Or
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: if it was role with the punches, you know, TIFF's
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: information would come up there. But if you're just getting
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: an AI overview, you might not bother going to TIFF's
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: website or to your website. You might think, oh, well,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: that's fine, Craig's the host of the new project. I
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: don't need to find out anything else because that's given
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: me the summary. And this is the worry for people
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: who run their businesses and you want to sell product
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: or they want to service up news services that you
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: sickly going to lose seventy or eighty percent of all
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: your search traffic swings aroundabouts.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: It's good for it's good for the user, maybe that
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: they can get a quick snapshot without having to go
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole or but yeah, for the for
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the people on the other side, not so great. Do
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: you say project or project, project, project? Yeah?
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: What did I just say?
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: You also always say project. I'm like it's not it's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: not bad, but it's like most people say, Yeah, I
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: wonder why that is.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Now I'm getting self conscious about it.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I don't even know that I did it.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, you don't need to at all. That's I think.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: It's it's interesting just.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Thinking also about this. You know, when the AI summary
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: comes up, it pushes everything down. And there's an interesting
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: term used in web design called the first fold, and
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: the first fold refers to the old newspaper term. You know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: you read all the paper was folded in half, and
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: you had to fold it to read the rest of it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: And that's what's before you scroll on a screen generally
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: obviously it's mainly on a desktop, but before you start scrolling,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: that's referred to the first fold. Now the AI information
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: is pushing everything down. Then the legitimate results or the
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: other results are pushed further down the screen, and then
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: you've got to scribby scroll further to try to get
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: to them.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Hey, staying in the AI theme, Yeah, more people are
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: considering AI lovers and we shouldn't judge.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you well, I've thought about this a lot,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: and interestingly, I was having this discussion with my seventeen
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: year old employee about to turn eighteen. He's got a
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: girlfriend having.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: This conversation with my virtual girlfriend. Look, sorry, sorry, boyfriend,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Chad Chuck Chuck Chuck the AI boyfriend.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Now, look, I'm really into minds about this because I
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: love the idea of AI being used, and particularly our
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: local medical clinic has a aged care residence and I've
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: been so excited to get there because they've got a
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: little robot that talks to the residents, and the residents
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: interact with the robot, and as the AI gets to
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: know the residents, it's interact with them and may talk
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: about things that they're more interested in, or gets to
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: know who they are, and it's using these great features. Now,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: it's an inanimate object that is interactive and it's not
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: a person. But I can see that these people are
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: really getting a lot of value out of this interaction.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: So would you fall in love with an AI? It's speculative,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: it's suggested that it's inevitable, like there's a thought process
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: out there that eventually if you build up a rapport
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: or a repertoire or whatever with your chatbot. But I
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: mean I was talking to you know, to Caspa last night,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: and you know young guy who you know, he's got
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: a girlfriend and is really enamored and it's lovely to see,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: you know, you have one of your first loves and
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. And of course he couldn't
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: conceive of the concept of having a chatbot that you
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: fall in love with. But I look, you know, we
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: talk about love in different ways. We have friends that
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: we care about and that we love. I love my dog,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: and I could possibly say that I love my dog
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: more than some people. But what I'm saying is I'm
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: not in love. But you can love or feel a
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: connection in different ways, and it may not be so
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: much romantic, but it could be more empathetic, you know.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: So I feel that it may be inevitable that as
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: we form these relationships with these online AI entities, that
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: we start to feel a real emotional connection to them.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: But it opens up a can of worms, because what
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: if Craig dot ai suddenly goes bust and my AI
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Harper chatbot is suddenly gone forever and I feel like
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I've lost Craig, you know.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: So that's I think you nailed it. Like I was
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: going to say, I don't think you know, falling in
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: love with is the kind of the hook the article,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and maybe some people do, but I think it's Yeah,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it's more about an emotional connection or a bond where
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: people feel I don't know, I feel like they have
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: a relationship or a bond or a connection or something
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that has a level of consciousness and awareness that knows
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: their name, that talks to them, that remembers things about them.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: So here's my funny little story, right, chat GPT always
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: says something to me like, hey, Craig, what's up? Or Hey,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: that's a great question, Craig, let me think about it,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: or hey, Craig, hope you have any all this? And
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: the other day it responded to something and it just said,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: let me check. I'm like, where's my name? Bro? Like
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I felt a bit hurt. I felt a little bit
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: like why did you not? Why you're not using my name?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And just for one moment, not really hurt, but I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: just noticed it, and I'm like, I don't like it
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: when it doesn't use my name. I'm like, I may
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: have a relationship with chat JPT. I'm not sure. I'm
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: working through it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Heif have you ever noticed how Craig looks at his
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: motorbikes when he's showing them off.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Never show my motorbikes off.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: He did show off. No, No, you did kind of
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: look at But.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I know you're asking someone that probably looks at motorbikes
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: the same way, So I'm not I don't see it
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: problem here.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: We can feel a fondness for objects, as we know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: got sentimental value. You may not bear to be able
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: to think that it was not there with you, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: it could be something that has no intrinsic kind of
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: monetary value, but because you've had it since I've got
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: a pencil case that I had in primary school, still
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: tucked away somewhere, and every now and again I happened
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: across it and open and I think, oh, there's my
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: to be I remember using that to b drawing pictures on.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: A motorbike with a pencil case.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Well, hey, can I just say, speaking of memories, my
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: screen flashes up news stories in little bubbles. I don't
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: know why you can fix that, Patrick, next time you
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: hear but hul Cogan just died. Now, I know neither
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: of you were probably big wrestling fans. Do you both
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: know who he is? Of course I do, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: so that's sad whole Cogan, did you ever watch the
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: w w E, Patrick or Too.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: There was a wrestling program on a Sunday when I
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: was a kid that we used to watch Maria Mulano.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: No, no, dude, no, that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Know, No, that's like wrestling thing. Wasn't there with Mury.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: That Yeah, that's true. That was like like sick Championship Wrestling.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Well that was w W something well different.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're so out of the loop, out of the WWE.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: But anyway, he passed away sadly. Anyway, none of our
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: listeners care about that harp.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: So here now they left, like the three intros ago.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Seriously, YouTube prepares crackdown on mass produced and repetitive videos.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Have you noticed how much shit is on YouTube at
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: the moment? Is there's so much AI slop that is
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: there making me angry? I get rage scrolling when I
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: look at you out, I do, Craig, and you know me,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I do tie chie, I get I get wow.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: When you fire up my testicles retreat into my body,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like wow.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: In your throat.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: No, it's a goiter, but at that bomb. Hey, everyone,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: welcome to the you project. I'm Craig Harper, should we
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: start again?
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: The hell?
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: This is possibly the best and worst episode we've ever done.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: You realize it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: We're going to get praize and complaints.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Magda, I've turned your favorite segment into the shit
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: a segment.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Her favorite segment has become the show. Do you know
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: what this is like? It's like that comedian Tiff. You
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: probably know Matt Rife, Yes, yep, And all he does
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: is the crowd work. He doesn't actually do quite often,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: he doesn't actually do a special where he stands up
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and tells jokes. He never gets to that bit because
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: he's so good at riffing with the crowd and bullshitting.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Patrick take charge please.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Okay. So the way that people can earn money on
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: YouTube is to get lots and lots of looks at
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: videos that they create. The problem now is that people
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: are creating videos in a matter of minutes using AI
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: and pushing it out as a documentary about civilization hidden
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: underneath the pyramids. And we didn't know that they had
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: fusion reactors, you know, ten thousand years ago. So it's
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: that sort of crap that gets pushed out and unfortunately,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: if they're clever enough, people click through and then it
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: pushes it up the algorithms, and so this crap basically
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: floats to the surface. And so YouTube is now looking
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: at trying to fine tune its partner program and particularly
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: the monetization policies, because when someone legitimately works really hard,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: have you ever heard of? Okay, so maybe at five
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: o'clock this morning, I was watching a video on YouTube
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: about the Caspian Sea Monster right now the cure?
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Would you say maybe? Why would you say maybe? Why
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you go? Why would you go a bit? I
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: was up at five, It's what I was doing. Everyone
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: else was sleeping or fucking I was watching a thing
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: on the Caspian Can you look.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Up the Caspian Sea Monster for us?
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: While God, I bet you can't wait. I was out
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: walking around suburbia like a fucking ninja, looking at with
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: all my friends, scaring everyone who had a dog and
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: was out and about.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Chet Chipet on your phone though, so you chet GPT
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: is always with you, Craig.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm never alone. It's kind of like Jesus, but
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: more electronic.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: That's the one. So tell us about the Caspian Sea Monster.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: The Caspian Sea Monster refers to the Soviet made experimental
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: ground effect vehicle known as the KM corbel Macket. This
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: massive Ekreno plan whatever that is, a crenoplane, thank you,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: was designed to fly just a few meters above the
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: water at high velocity. It was spotted by US spy
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: satellites during the Cold War.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is amazing aircraft which wasn't an aircraft. It
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: wasn't a plane, and it wasn't a boat. It was
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: a hybrid between the two. And I was this amazing
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: YouTube clip and the guy had put so much work
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: into going to Russia to see this a cranoplane, the
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Caspian Sea Monster. It was quite revolutionary at the time
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: because it flew so low it was invisible to radar,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: but it was so much faster than a boat or
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: a ship, so it meant that it could have been
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: a way to launch troops and to attack where no
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: one would see them coming effectively. But what I was
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: getting to is the amount of production quality that went
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: into this documentary that I was watching was fantastic and
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I really found it interesting. I sent it to my
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: nerdy friend Ryan, who's an aerospace engineer and actually worked
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: on something similar. And then when someone throws out some
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: AI generated slop. It kind of makes me get that
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: rage scroll going, because you know, there's good quality stuff
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: on YouTube. So I think this is a bit of
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: a pad on the back to the people at Google
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: to try to clean up and get rid of this
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: mass produce video kind of slot that's out there, and
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: hopefully it will clean up the algorithm and clean up
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: the content so that when someone at five am wants
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: to look at old Russian planes, they get old Russian planes.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Shout out to that other guy who wants to do that.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: You know they've already made that. You probably know this
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: better than the mate. But I think there's been at
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: least a couple of movies made which are completely AI,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: no actors, The script was written by AI, the entire thing.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Some of them like very well, I don't know craft
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: that is that the right word. But I wonder if
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: down the track, because already there's a lot of CGI
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: and has been for a while, but I wonder if
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: down the track, you know, like soundtracks are done with AI,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: scripts are done with AI, there are no actors there
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: are I wonder if that's going to become a thing
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: where people are going to go to cinemas to sit
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and watch a cinema is going to be a thing.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: That's another question. Completely AI created experience.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: As long as we know that it's AI, as long
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: as we're put in the picture that way, there's some
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: great creative stuff out there. I don't know if we
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: talked about this on the show the last time we
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: had a segment two weeks ago, but there's a competition
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: going at the moment for people to actually use AI
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: to create artwork, to imagine women in history, to try
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: to shine the spotlight on the influence and the amazing
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: work that's been done over the years. I say it's
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Marie Curie. Now, if someone isn't an artist or a
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: video producer, they can still use this AI, these AI
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: tools to reimagine or to visualize what that might have been.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: So I can see that there are positives when someone
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: may be a really good storyteller but doesn't have video
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: editing skills. So it's got a fantastic idea. And I
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: know tif's good at drawing, so you could turn your
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: sketches into an animation sequence, so you could come up
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: with a cartoon series. But you don't animate, but you
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: are good at drawing or I might be good at
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: telling stories, but I'm not good with the other side
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: of it. So again it comes down to how it's
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: being used. Our Netflix is just about to launch a
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: new series where they've used AI exclusively to generate all
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: the special effects. So where they would have used compositing
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: and you know, the normal tools to create explosions or whatever,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: they've then decided to go down the route of using AI.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: But they've been very upfront about it, so they're saying,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: this part of our series is using AI to create
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: these specific effects.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I wonder what Charlie Chaplin would think. I mean, what
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: was that maybe nineteen fifteen, nineteen ten, fifteen twenty. You
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: remember all those those old black and white silent movies
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: with him doing his own stunts and holding on to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the side of a train and climbing a ladder, that
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: leaning against the wall and Mike. It's just in a
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: relatively short time span, it's just become something completely different.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: If you ever get a chance, do a YouTube search
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: on old special effects from black and white films, the
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: clever things that the filmmakers used to do. You know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: the first Man on the Moon, Remember the picture of
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: the moon with the rocket ship in its eye. There's
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: a really old, old old film that's out there. I
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: think it might have been French, but there was some
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: amazing optical illusions that we used in the old days
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: to create some amazing effects. It was just clever, really
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: really clever, interesting stuff.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Can I ask one question that isn't on the list
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: but was on the news and is as we speak,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: just sitting on a deck chair in my prefrontal cortex
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: waiting to get some attention. You're welcome everyone. That is
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: last night on the news there was a fire on
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: a vert and plane. Yes, ah so that yeah, so
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: tell them so lithium batteries that are just spontaneously or
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: kind of catching a light and they're talking like that.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: On every plane flight that people go on, there are
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people with these batteries that can catch
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: a light and they're almost impossible to put out once
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: they get a blaze.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're power banks, so they usually through my own batteries.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: You've probably seen the power I've got a power bank
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: that I travel with. Fantastic because it means that if
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: you're stuck somewhere in your phone, particularly when you travel,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: you use a lot more GPS and your phone goes
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: flat quickly having a power bank with you. I tend
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: to have it in my backpack. If I go to
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Melbourne and I'm traveling around, I always take my power
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: bank with me. So power banks are just a collection
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: of batteries that you can charge your phone off or
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: run your devices from, whether it's a laptop or a phone,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: and people carry with them with them all the time.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: And I think that the problem with these sorts of
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: stories is and yes, you're right, in fact, the same
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: thing happened, but it caused a major fire on a
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Chinese or one of the Asian airlines. It wasn't Chinese
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: one of the Asian airlines. And it's subsequently a lot
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: of airlines have now banned these power banks, and you
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: can see that airlines are going to get really nervous
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: about this. And I guess the concern is it's not
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: so much the new ones, it's if you've had an
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: old one, you might have dropped it. That's where these
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: lithium ion batteries, if you ever drop a lithium ion,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: that can be really problematic. So that's the concern, and
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: you're right, it's very, very very hard to put them
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: out because once they get started. So I don't know
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: what that's going to mean for air travel. I think
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: it's going to make it a little bit difficult, more
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: difficult because airlines are likely to put a ban on
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: being able to use them, which will make things a
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: little bit harder. But that said, a lot of the
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: newer planes have USB ports in your seats, so you
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: can charge directly at your seat anyway. So for the
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: concerns that people have, if you if you're on a
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: long haul trip and you want to watch your laptop
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: or you want to use your laptop or an iPad
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: or something like that, then you know you can now
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: plug into your seat. So I think for most people
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: that I think may not be as necessary as it was.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: But I think what's going to happen is you're going
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: to get to the airport and have to buy one
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: if you're traveling, because if you're footslogging around Europe and
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: you're going to be out and about for a long
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: time and you don't want your phone to go flat,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: then you're going to need to have a power bank anyway,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: and you might end up having to create a whole
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: new market of disposable power banks, because what's going to
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: happen to them? Do you hire them at the airport
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: and then return them or do you just urf them
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: at the end. So it's going to create a whole
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: lot of waste, isn't it.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: H'e upsent just quickly, We've got about two minutes. Also,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: is it not the same? I don't know, Patrick, but
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: bikes and scooters that have are they the same kinds
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: of batteries? Because we're seeing shit just blow up in
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: people's houses and catch a light.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sadly, I was talking to a friend of mine
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: or a lady that worked with me for a while,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: and her parents' house burnt down. They had an electric
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: scooter in the garage. It caught five and it burnt
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: down the entire house. And that was just like down
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: the road from where I live.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: You have one of those?
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I do, But when I did my whole new studio revamp,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I misplaced the charger, so I don't know what I've
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: done with the charger for it.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: You might have to use your legs and push like
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the old days, you know, back in the sixties, stand
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: on it and push with your other leg.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: But it's hard because it's got a battery on it.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: It's heavy, and it has that you know, kind of
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: grinding sound because.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: As that resistance. Think of it as a workout.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just did ten minutes on the rower after
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: I did Waits this morning. That's good, isn't it. Yeah,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: that's my cardio. Ten minutes on the row and then
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I'll walk fits.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Tell people where to find you, follow you, connect with you,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and just a viewer warning, listener warning. If you do
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: send him an email, he's in your life forever. Keep
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: that in mind.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Hey, welcome to the you Project him ah to Shay
• 49:55
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  Speaker 3: Calm tod a you. It's only because it's the easiest
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: website to remember and you can connect with me.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you Tiffany, and thank you Patrick.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Thanks lads,