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The Bolt Report | 16 October · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Jims is the Bold reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson. Coming up tonight. The Liberal Party, Australia's primary
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  Speaker 2: bastion of conservative values, stands divided as the Nationals actively
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  Speaker 2: taut for their Liberal counterparts to defect. I'll speak to
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  Speaker 2: the man who normally sits in this chair, Andrew Bolt,
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  Speaker 2: about how and if Susan Lee's party can get back
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  Speaker 2: on track. The Australian Business makes its feelings clear about
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  Speaker 2: Nets stupid. Find out why dark Cloud's being cast over
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  Speaker 2: Labour's solar panel production program.
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  Speaker 3: That's with former Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce.
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  Speaker 2: And is Australia about to let in hundreds more refugees
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  Speaker 2: from Gaza. Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke says, we just might.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be discussing that with The Australian's Greg Sheridan, and
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  Speaker 2: later in the show we'll be heading to the UK
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  Speaker 2: to speak with Patrick Christie's about why a floundering Labor
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister not ours theirs has been accused of a
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  Speaker 2: China spy cover up. All of that coming up soon,
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  Speaker 2: but first, sometimes I wonder if the West is too
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  Speaker 2: stupid to survive. Every day I peruse the newspapers and
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  Speaker 2: find example after example of what looks suspiciously like self
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  Speaker 2: harm on a civilizational scale. Take this headline from the
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  Speaker 2: Catholic Herald, Vatican Library grants Muslim scholars a prayer room.
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  Speaker 2: It's a news headline so absurd it could only be true.
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  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, according to reports, a Muslim prayer
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  Speaker 2: room has been established in the Vatican's Apostolic Library after
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  Speaker 2: visiting Muslim scholars complained they had nowhere to pray, and
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  Speaker 2: the Vatican, ever eager not to offend except Catholics, immediately obliged.
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  Speaker 2: The Vatican spokesperson told Italian newspapers, some Muslim scholars have
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  Speaker 2: asked us for a room with a car but for praying,
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  Speaker 2: and we've given it to them. Now, let's not mince words.
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  Speaker 2: The theological and symbolic implications here are spectacularly unhinged. Does
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  Speaker 2: the Catholic hierarchy still believe in Catholicism or has the
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  Speaker 2: Church just become a sort of an airbnb for whatever
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  Speaker 2: religion needs accommodation. We may not believe in your God,
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  Speaker 2: but we're happy to host him. Seems to be the idea.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the problem. Islam explicitly denies that Jesus is the
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  Speaker 2: son of God. So by creating within the very walls
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  Speaker 2: of Catholic intellectual power a space for Muslim prayer, the
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  Speaker 2: Vatican is effectively allowing a rival faith to set up
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  Speaker 2: shop on its property. Now, that's not inclusiveness, it's corporate
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  Speaker 2: sabotage dressed up as tolerance. Second, Catholics believe salvation comes
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  Speaker 2: only through Jesus, so why would they facilitate a form
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  Speaker 2: of worship that leads, by their.
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  Speaker 3: Own doctrine to spiritual ruin.
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  Speaker 2: That's not compassion, it's the religious version of I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: handing out cigarettes to the medical center. And Third, can
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  Speaker 2: you imagine a mosque in Saudi Arabia creating a chapel
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  Speaker 2: for Christians to worship Jesus. Of course not, they still
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  Speaker 2: believe in something. But in Rome, well, it's almost like
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  Speaker 2: inclusivity has become the eleventh commandment. Thou shalt tolerate everything,
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  Speaker 2: even the denial of thine own faith. Now, don't tune
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  Speaker 2: out just because you're not a Churchy Christianity created the
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  Speaker 2: West sabotage Christianity, and you lose a lot more than
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  Speaker 2: just the Vatican Library. Now, of course, some people will say,
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  Speaker 2: but it promotes dialogue. It's bridge building that might pass
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  Speaker 2: muster if it were reciprocal. But when the Vatican keeps
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  Speaker 2: its doors open to all, while Islamic centers keep their
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  Speaker 2: doors closed, you're not building bridges, You're burning them. And
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  Speaker 2: the one stranded in no man's land will be the
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  Speaker 2: Catholic Church. But it's not just the Vatican that's losing
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  Speaker 2: its mind. The Democrat nominee for Mayor of New York
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  Speaker 2: was asked today if an Islamic terrorist organization should disarm. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I would have thought that's a pretty simple question. It's
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  Speaker 2: the easiest moral question since should we kick puppies? A
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  Speaker 2: toddler could answer it. Here's how the Fox News interview went.
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  Speaker 4: Do you believe that Hamas should lay down their weapons
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  Speaker 4: and leave the leadership in Gaza?
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  Speaker 5: I believe that any future here in New York City
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  Speaker 5: is one that we have to make sure that's affordable
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  Speaker 5: for all it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's try that one again.
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  Speaker 4: But you won't say that Hamas should lay down their
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  Speaker 4: arms and give up leadership in Gaza.
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  Speaker 5: I don't really have opinions about the future of Hamas
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  Speaker 5: and Israel beyond the question of justice and safety and
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  Speaker 5: the fact that anything has to abide by international law,
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  Speaker 5: and that applies to Hamas, that applies to Israeli military,
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  Speaker 5: applies to anyone you could ask me about.
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  Speaker 2: This is a guy who wants to ban Americans from
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  Speaker 2: owning guns, but doesn't want to ban Hamas from having guns.
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  Speaker 2: Is he running for me of New York? Sounds much
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  Speaker 2: more suited to being mayor of Gaza. It's crazy to
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  Speaker 2: think that, twenty years after three thousand New Yorkers were
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  Speaker 2: murdered by Islamists, the man now favored to be Mayor
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  Speaker 2: of New York supports the disarming of American citizens, but
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  Speaker 2: not the disarming of Islamic terrorists. And the most shocking part,
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  Speaker 2: the majority of New York has seemed to be just
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  Speaker 2: fine with that. In the city that never sleeps, common
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  Speaker 2: sense no longer wakes up. In the UK, it's worse,
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  Speaker 2: common sense is completely comatosed. This week, a Labour MP
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  Speaker 2: has called for councils to pull down the British flags
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  Speaker 2: because will British flags make migrants feel uneasy.
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  Speaker 6: I'm proud of Baykonti too, and I'm proud of our flag,
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  Speaker 6: but I do understand why others feel that it's about
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  Speaker 6: excluding people, why others feel that it's about saying who
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  Speaker 6: belongs there and who does it? And that's why today
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  Speaker 6: I'll be asking there form County Council to take down
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  Speaker 6: the flags of the Love Posts.
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  Speaker 2: Jeevens Sander is a first generation Indian migrant who is
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  Speaker 2: so proud of the British flag he wants it taken down.
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  Speaker 2: He's worried the British flag might make people who've taken
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  Speaker 2: up the generosity of Britain feel like they're living in
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  Speaker 2: Britain and we can't have that. He says, the flag
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  Speaker 2: excludes people, to which I would reply, that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: the point. The literal purpose of a flag is to
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  Speaker 2: distinguish one group from another. If you feel excluded by
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  Speaker 2: the national flag of the country in which you're living,
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  Speaker 2: then you're probably living in the wrong place.
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  Speaker 3: That's just a fact.
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  Speaker 2: But what do we do when the facts are not
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  Speaker 2: to our liking? Well, I'm glad you asked. Let me
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  Speaker 2: introduce you to another UK Labor MP, Caroline Harris.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 2: She was asked this week about JK rowlings insistence that
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  Speaker 2: sex is binary. Now, I want you to watch this
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  Speaker 2: and note how she declares inconvenient facts to be hateful
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  Speaker 2: so as to then be able to ignore them.
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  Speaker 4: She believes it's absolutely factual that if you're born well man,
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  Speaker 4: you can't ever be a woman, she says, as a
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  Speaker 4: matter of fact.
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  Speaker 8: Well, biologically she's correct. But there are there are home
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  Speaker 8: and beings here that that feel that they are a woman.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm not saying that their right or they're wrong.
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  Speaker 8: What I'm saying is when you introduce this level of
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  Speaker 8: hate into a debate, rationality goes out of the window
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  Speaker 8: and it becomes just an adversarial argument. There is no
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  Speaker 8: rate or wrong in this.
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  Speaker 2: By bringing up the topic of biology, you introduce hate
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  Speaker 2: into the conversation. Now, of course biology is not hateful,
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  Speaker 2: but progressives don't like biologies, so they label inconvenient facts
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  Speaker 2: as hateful in an attempt to disappear them. That's exactly
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  Speaker 2: the tactic being used here in Australia. After the Northern
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  Speaker 2: Territory First Minister said she'd changed the law to ensure
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  Speaker 2: men identifying as women would not be put into female prisons.
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  Speaker 9: Here in the Northern Territory. If you're a blot you
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  Speaker 9: go to a men's prison. If you're a woman, you
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  Speaker 9: go to women's prison. It's very clear cut. There are
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  Speaker 9: no shades of gray in this scenario in the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 2: Makes sense, but no, the Labor opposition leader has accused
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  Speaker 2: the First Minister of being hateful. Selina Ubo told Parliament today,
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  Speaker 2: Chief Minister, I condemn your divisive comments about our territory
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  Speaker 2: trans community, and my question to you is why have
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  Speaker 2: you once again stomped down on minority groups to get
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  Speaker 2: a headline instead of leading for all territorians. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: pointing out the difference between men and women is device
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  Speaker 2: if that's kind of the point to divide the penises
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  Speaker 2: from the vaginas as ridiculous as the Northern Territory Leader's
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  Speaker 2: comments were, more ridiculous were those of Federal Labor Leader
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  Speaker 2: aspirant Tanya Plimasek.
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  Speaker 3: When usked today were.
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  Speaker 2: The men identifying as women should be housed in female prisons,
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  Speaker 2: she refused to give an opinion, instead offering up this
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  Speaker 2: kind of non answer.
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  Speaker 4: I think women deserve to be safe everywhere and that
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  Speaker 4: includes in jails.
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  Speaker 2: When pressed on whether the right of a male sex
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  Speaker 2: offender who identifies as female to be in a women's
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  Speaker 2: prison should outweigh the rights of female prisoners to safety.
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  Speaker 3: Well she came up with this gem.
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  Speaker 2: Every human being has right, every human has rights.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's incredible, what an insight.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, every human has rights, but no civilization has the
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  Speaker 2: right to exist. And the way things are going both
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  Speaker 2: at home and abroad, I fear we are rapidly forfeiting ours.
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  Speaker 2: Then again, I don't want you to be depressed. Hope
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  Speaker 2: is not completely lost here in Australia. We at least
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  Speaker 2: have the Liberal Party to save us.
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  Speaker 3: From the woke madness?
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  Speaker 2: Or do we joining me as host of the Bolt Report,
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Bolt, Andrew, welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 3: It's great to catch up with you.
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  Speaker 2: The Liberal Party have been engaging in a very public
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  Speaker 2: and at times quite ugly group therapy session for the
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  Speaker 2: past six months. Shadow Finance Minister James Patterson gave a
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  Speaker 2: speech the other day in which he said, and I quote,
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party will find its way out of the
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  Speaker 2: wilderness once we resolve our differences, unite behind our values,
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  Speaker 2: align our policies with them, and confidently argue the case
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  Speaker 2: to the Australian people.
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  Speaker 3: Now what I heard was.
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  Speaker 2: Just a very public admission that they are divided, disagreed
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  Speaker 2: on values without policy alignment, and unable to argue confidently
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  Speaker 2: or otherwise any sort of case for election. Here's my
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  Speaker 2: question to you, is surprised at where the Liberals find
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  Speaker 2: themselves today?
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  Speaker 4: Well, let me say shocked, but not surprised. I mean
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  Speaker 4: this has been a long time home in the making.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know they had the elected Malcolm Turbule
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  Speaker 4: to be their leader. Well, what does that tell you?
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  Speaker 4: This has been years in the making. I think James
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  Speaker 4: Patterson is right. The end of the Navil Gazzy really
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  Speaker 4: has got to stop, because what it's telling you is
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  Speaker 4: that there's no fundamental values the Liberals can unite upon that.
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  Speaker 4: They haven't first workshopped and run past the pollsters and
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  Speaker 4: just said, you know, would it be okay if we
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  Speaker 4: argued for this point of view. I mean, it's ludicrous
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  Speaker 4: and it cuts right across the idea that people get
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  Speaker 4: into politics because they're animated by a vision of how
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  Speaker 4: the country should be and they're going to stand and
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  Speaker 4: fight for that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: And the key issue here, I think is a vacuum
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  Speaker 2: of leadership. I mean, if you remember Susan Lee's first
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  Speaker 2: speech at the Press Club. It was a massive apology
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  Speaker 2: and a promise to spend the next twelve months conducting
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  Speaker 2: countless reviews. I wonder they've got dissension in the ranks,
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  Speaker 2: there's a vacuum of leadership at the top.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think that was the one of the big
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  Speaker 4: takeouts of James Patterson's speech. Remember, he may be young,
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  Speaker 4: but he's one of the smartest cookies in that team.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm I don't mean to say that. Saying that,
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  Speaker 4: I don't mean that, you know, it's a low bar
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  Speaker 4: is actually a very very polished performer, and he's saying,
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  Speaker 4: you can't keep going like this, You've got to start
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  Speaker 4: arguing a case. And I think you know, when people
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  Speaker 4: say there's a division between the Liberal Party between the
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  Speaker 4: so called moderates, that's a misnomer because it implies the
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  Speaker 4: right of the party are crazies. They're not those people
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  Speaker 4: of the so called moderates. The left of the party,
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  Speaker 4: people who tend not to dare to argue a point.
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  Speaker 4: And you see that with their opposition to scrapping the
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  Speaker 4: net zero targets. I don't hear them saying, oh, look
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  Speaker 4: we've got to sit from the zero targets because changed
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  Speaker 4: it will change the climate for the better. It's worth
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  Speaker 4: the money. It's going to make life much easier. It's
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  Speaker 4: going to we're going to have fewer fires, We're going
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  Speaker 4: to have fewer heat waves. They don't say that. What
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  Speaker 4: they say is if we don't do that, people will
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  Speaker 4: vote against this. Well, the point is, how about you
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  Speaker 4: argue the toss and if your arguments are sound, and
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  Speaker 4: if you argue them properly, and if you argue them
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  Speaker 4: with intelligence, hopefully as with the voice, you will change
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  Speaker 4: public opinion.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely well.
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  Speaker 2: James Patterson made some suggestions. He said the liberals need
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  Speaker 2: to engage in the culture wars, they should not vacate
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  Speaker 2: that space. But he also warned against looking to Farage
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  Speaker 2: or to Trump for inspiration. I'm curious as to what
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  Speaker 2: you made of that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, considering both Farage and Trump. Well, Trump is has
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  Speaker 4: won an election, and Farage is so far ahead he
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  Speaker 4: might have the biggest landslide in our lifetime the way
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  Speaker 4: he's going. I think if you followed some of the
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  Speaker 4: things is saying, you might not be in the stook
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  Speaker 4: as the liberals are now. But I think his point
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  Speaker 4: is this that you can't just lazily copy a policy
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  Speaker 4: that works overseas and neglect the local conditions right here.
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  Speaker 4: That's one, and second is you can't just go with
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  Speaker 4: one or two and ignore the big, big thing that
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  Speaker 4: people tend to vote for most of all, and that
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  Speaker 4: is economic leadership and also a sense of unity, which
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  Speaker 4: the Liberals didn't have. A leadership conviction and a plan
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  Speaker 4: to help people have better, richer lives that was missing
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  Speaker 4: in the Liberals last time. It's not a big secret,
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  Speaker 4: and I think you do need to put the grunt
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  Speaker 4: work in. You can't just be pole chasers, whether you're
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  Speaker 4: on the left or the right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Andrew, while the Liberals are trying to work out
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  Speaker 2: what they BELI leaving, the Nationals are daring to dream
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  Speaker 2: they've worked out. I think they need seven Liberals to
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  Speaker 2: defect and they would become the official opposition. David Little
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  Speaker 2: Proud this afternoon was telling journalists he would gladly welcome
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  Speaker 2: any Liberal MPs who wanted to jump ship.
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  Speaker 3: Not exactly helpful.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's an implied threat. The Liberals have got twenty
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  Speaker 4: eight MPs in the lower House, the Nationals have got fifteen,
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  Speaker 4: so seven Liberals just need to say, oh, look, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to sit with the Nationals instead, and they become
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  Speaker 4: the main party the opposition. When you think that one
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  Speaker 4: of them is just sent to Nampa Jim Price, who
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  Speaker 4: already was sitting with the Nationals before she jumped to
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  Speaker 4: the Liberals, it's not that hard to ask if the
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  Speaker 4: Liberals keep going in this mess. But I think it
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  Speaker 4: was more a threat of warning to Susan Lead, who
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  Speaker 4: getted the ship in order otherwise she could face real trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Liberal luminary Philip Ruddick, he's put his two cents worth in.
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  Speaker 3: He might as well everybody else is.
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  Speaker 2: He's made a public plea for the Coalition to ignore
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  Speaker 2: the concerns of MPs like the one you just mentioned.
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  Speaker 2: Just sin to Napa, Jimpa Price and Andrew Hasty on
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  Speaker 2: migration policy. He's written in The Australian to my friends
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  Speaker 2: in the Coalition, I would say this, never forget. Multiculturalism
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  Speaker 2: is not a labor invention. It's rooted in the liberal
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  Speaker 2: tradition of individual freedom and opportunity. Inclusion has always been
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  Speaker 2: part of our story. When we retreat into fear or suspicion,
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  Speaker 2: we betray that inheritance now Andrew bearing in mind, polling
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  Speaker 2: consistently shows a majority of Australians are concerned about the
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  Speaker 2: level of migration. Is that good advice from Ruddick for
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's a shocking advice, muddle thinking from a man
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  Speaker 4: I like who shows some courage as a former regression
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  Speaker 4: minister himself. Multiculturalism is two things, and he should define
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  Speaker 4: his terms for a start. One is a is look,
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  Speaker 4: we come from different cultures, big news, right, That's not
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  Speaker 4: really the issue. The other is that multicultural is a
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  Speaker 4: government program to encourage our differences, and they even finance
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  Speaker 4: the differences, which I think is a really big mistake.
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  Speaker 4: The inphasis should be on finding what unites us. But
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  Speaker 4: here Philip Braddock is totally reinventing the liberal tradition. Right oh,
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  Speaker 4: look like you right now. I think that multiculture is
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  Speaker 4: a liberal invention, you know, and we're going to betray
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  Speaker 4: it if we start worrying about people's deep concerns and
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  Speaker 4: genuine concerns about Australia not being a country that we
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  Speaker 4: recognize anymore or feel at home in with you Jeeharves
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  Speaker 4: in the street, you know, Labor Party changing our whole
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  Speaker 4: attitude towards Israel on the basis of, oh, we've got
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  Speaker 4: to placate an almost implacable Muslim community. This is a
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  Speaker 4: real concern. Now he should remember, actually remember that the
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  Speaker 4: longest serving leader, the longest serving Prime minister the Liberals
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  Speaker 4: have produced is Sir Robert Menzies. Sir Robert Menzies actually,
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  Speaker 4: like the Labor Party, back the White Australia policy. And
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  Speaker 4: what he said was we should be very concerned about
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  Speaker 4: being a homogeneous society, not a multicultural one. He didn't
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  Speaker 4: say that, he said homogeneous as an interview who said
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  Speaker 4: homogeneous society to avoid the problems we see back then
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  Speaker 4: in South Africa when we see him now too America,
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  Speaker 4: and he said increasingly in Britain. Hasn't that come to play?
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  Speaker 4: Who would have thought, you know, we had people that
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  Speaker 4: thought that back to Mars in Australia. So he made
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  Speaker 4: that point. Now the Liberals have gone from one extreme,
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  Speaker 4: the wide Australian policy, to another extreme, thinking, what there
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  Speaker 4: is no culture that we should rely on, that we
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  Speaker 4: should hope that people subscribed to the culture that was
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  Speaker 4: built essentially by British immigrants and the institutions we have
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a deep, deep concern that this Australia
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  Speaker 4: is fragmenting. And for Philip Braddy to say to acknowledge
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  Speaker 4: that it's the betraying the liberal tradition. A, it's false,
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  Speaker 4: it is not the liberal tradition. And B what we're
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  Speaker 4: supposed to tell Australians. Hey, listen, your concerns are real,
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  Speaker 4: legitimate PreTect. Put the blinkers on. Oh it's good, you know,
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  Speaker 4: just keep going.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: It's a very good point, Andrew. We've got to go
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: to a break.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: But before we do, obviously, viewers are aware that you're
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: recovering from fairly major surgery. You look great, you sound fantastic.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I got to ask because I know people will be
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: wanting an update from you.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: How are you feeling well?
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: I want to say two things. I want to thank
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: so much. I should have done it before all the
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: many many viewers have wished me well, given me advice
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: and lit candles for me, and the whole thing. I
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: am so grateful to you. And if prayer does anything,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: it seems to have worked a bit in my case.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: I feel a lot stronger. I'm still quite tired and
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: all that which has hampered my return a bit, but
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: I'd like to say tonight and this is a promise
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: I'm going to underline Monday week. I'm going to be
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: back Monday week. I am going to be back. I'm
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: hill or I award it. I think I just heard
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: my wife's screen. No, I am going to come back.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: And James, I would also like to thank you very
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: very much for the brilliant job you have doing. You
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: been rewarded in the ratings. I've sent you lots of
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: text to that effect. You've done a fantastic job. But
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: I'm getting frustrated about not having my say and I
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: will be back Monday week.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Well, Andrew, it's been a privilege to fill in for you,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure people will be thrilled to have you
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: back as soon as you're able. Thanks for coming on
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the program tonight. We're going to go to a break
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and when we come back, i'll tell you what the
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: sun ate shining for Chris Bowen Solar Panel Fund designed
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: to drive Australians away from oil and gas power.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Find out why. Next. Barnab Joyce will join me.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking with Andrew Bop before the break about the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: problems in the Liberal Party and of course we noted
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: that only seven Liberals would need to move to the
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Nationals for the Nationals to become the official opposition party.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Joining me now as potential Prime minister, Barnaby, Joyce Barnaby,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining me. Your colleague Matt Canavan says he's
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: not actively recruiting.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean he can't count.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: So if to send the price return to the fold,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: you'd only need six more.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Who else have you got your eye on?
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: I don't know, but look, it's a very mature statement
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: by David in that it's not a marriage. It's a
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: contest of political philosophies, political ideas, and people have to
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: serve where they feel most comfortable, not for themselves, but
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: where they believe they can do the best job for
• 21:57
  Speaker 10: our nation. And that is what tics is about. Now,
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: it's not unusual. We've had Billy Hughes, Robert Mensies. He
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: didn't start in the Liberal Party, form the Liberal Party,
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: Billy Heares, he just went about every party. John Gordon
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: left the Liberal Party and I suppose Joe Lyons left
• 22:16
  Speaker 10: the Labor Party ended up, so you know, the Prime
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: minister on the other side of the political fence. So
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: it's a statement of maturity that you just accept. You
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: don't throw the plates around the kitchen and accept if
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: people leave, people leave, if people come, well.
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: Good luck to you. But that's that's just the way
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: it works.
• 22:32
  Speaker 10: It's I think in the past Australia doesn't have the
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: freedoms of you know, crossing the floor like other nations have,
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: and I suppose the way to deal with that is.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: They change parties.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll be watching with keen interest. Everyone's of course
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: watching interest rates to see what the RBA will do
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: when they next meet. Unemployment figures today revealed four point
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: five percent of Australians currently out of work. Got two
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: questions for you on that. Firstly, is unemployment at a
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: four year high because of labor mismanagement of the economy,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And second is the unemployment spike justification for a rate
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: cut when the RBA meet next month.
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: The unemployment spike is justification for us realizing that net
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: is a disaster economically for Australia and we are deindustrializing
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: the place and putting people out of work.
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: That's what the unemployment rate.
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: Even small business today, I'm talking to a small business
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: that shutting its doors.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: It's insane.
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: What we are doing to our nation, absolutely insane.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: They continue on with it for the RBA.
• 23:36
  Speaker 10: I suppose, yes, that is a justification to reduce interest rates,
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: but my gosh, it's putting a band aid on a
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: bleeding from a corrodid artery. The reason unemployment's going up,
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: and it's not only that, it's the form of unemployment.
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: These people are permanently out. It's we're just driving this
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: economy into the dirt. For why because we believe that
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: Chris Bowen can change the weather. When you sit back
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: and you're getting the logic helicopter and fly above it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: It's just insane. So why are you doing this to
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: the nation? What you know?
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: You don't need to review it, You just need to
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: stop it. And that's going to become manifest and it's
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: going to get worse. Kawana Refine closing down NRG the
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: power plant in Gladston, giving notice that it wants to
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: close down or it's under threat time ago time it
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: goes about to go unless it gets subsidies.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: The ill.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: Our steel industry is on its knees.
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: Plastic industry gone, glass industry, gone, your ear industry, gone,
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: cement industry going record insolvencies and small business.
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: We go, wow, unemployment's going up.
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: Well, I'm not surprise cyclone, you've created a complete cluster.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of complete clusters, we regularly hear Chris Bowen
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: enthus about Australia becoming a renewable energy superpower.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: It's more like a super flop. Twelve months ago, go.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: And made a big song and dance about a billion
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: dollar fund to kickstart manufacture of solar panels right here
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: in Australia. Well, here we are a year later, and
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: only two firms have successfully tended been given a poultry
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: eighty million dollars to help make solar panels here. The
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: opportunity to bid has now closed, leaving most of the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: one billion.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Dollars in grant money unclaimed.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I imagine there's little interest in manufacturing solar panels here
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: because well the power is just too expensive.
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: Well, this is this mythical thing is mythical rubbish.
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: I mean, James Wilson the Telegraph has got a great
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: piece coming forward.
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: He was talking to me about.
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: It, and this sort of this absolute Peter pan idiocy
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: that you know, we will fly at the window at
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: night because we've got wings.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: You don't.
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: We are not going to create anything but misery out
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: of this path. And we have seen so many things
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: that just this mythical rubbish, these predictions they.
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: Made which never ever come true. Idea of renewable jobs.
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: I've seen photos of some of the renewable jobs tonight.
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: They're basically Chinese fly and fly out workers. They're not
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: nothing renewable about it. It's swindle, a lot of swindle
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: about it, and the people getting their secret agreements and
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: getting the money and sticking in their pocket. And you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: people say, oh, we're going to change the climate and
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: reduce power prices. We haven't changed the climate, we haven't
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: reduced power prices. We do have a spike in unemployment,
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: and we're sending businesses broke. Why Why Australia, When are
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: you going to stop, wake up and say enough is enough?
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: Will vote you out unless you go some brains.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Barn. You just got one minute left.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I wanted to get your thoughts on the new South
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Wales Court decision today to overturn the state government's ban
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: on protests outside places of worship. This court decision just
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: invites more ugly protests like we saw outside of synagogue
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: It's not a good decision, is.
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: It outrageous decision?
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: I mean, I've seen pictures in the past of people
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: of the Islamic faith circling a Catholic cathedral.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: I don't know why, but that's highly intimidating.
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: I I would not like ause people of the Christian
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: faith encircling a mosque, and I certainly don't want to
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: see either going to a synagogue. You know, it's we've
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: got to understand that we're when we create a mechanism,
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: a sliver of light for an ncendary process, that it
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: can turn into a fire which burns all of us.
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: Don't do it?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Yep, very well said, and I think the majority of
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: the country would absolutely agree with you. Barnaby Joyce, appreciate
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: your time.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Peace might have been brought to the Middle East by
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, but it doesn't seem like it's spread to
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: all of Gaza. I must use the cease fire to
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: reassert their control of the territory, with footage emerging of
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: fighters executing fellow Gazans in the streets. The peace still
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: demands these barbarians and pass control to an interim governing council.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: But how likely is that to actually happen.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan's been writing about this in The Australian and
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: he joins me to discuss it. Greg, thanks for coming
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: on the program. How do the futures of Hamas and
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Ghaza look?
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Two very separate things?
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: We hope of course, Jaan's great to be with you
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: and great to see Andrew coming back. But I'll be
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: sorry if I'm not talking to you. Look, I am
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: pretty pessimistic about the whole thing.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: Trump deserves a lot of credit for getting the cease fire,
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: but Hamas is not going to disarm. Hamas is not
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: going to disappear. The best we can hope for is
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: that it goes quiet for a little bit and allows
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: an interim Palestinian administration to come into effect. I mean
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: this essentially just repeats the pattern of previous Gas of wars, really,
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: except at a much higher level, the Hamas attacks becoming
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: tolerable to Israel. Here, Israel makes a punishing retaliatory response,
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: Garza goes quiet, the Europeans and the Gulf Arabs pay
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: for Garza to be rebuilt. Hamasliks it's words and as
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: another go and really nothing has happened, which leads me
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: to think that won't be the pattern this time. I mean,
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: apart from anything, no one, neither Trump, nor Netanyahu nor
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: any of the Arabs has told us when this stabilization
• 29:28
  Speaker 11: force is going to come into existence, or who's going
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: to be part of it, or when the interim administration
• 29:32
  Speaker 11: is going to come into existence, or who's going to
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: choose it. I mean that's it was a happy announcement
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: and a great, great accomplishment to get the hostages back,
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: but I don't see any real signs of peace there.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: You wrote that Hamas isn't remotely committed to any peace Ideologically,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: of course they are not. So how is a settlement possible?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Or do you just predict, just as you've said, just
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: ongoing conflict. There's literally no way out of this maze.
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: Well, I think Israel has also been mistaken to go
• 30:07
  Speaker 11: ahead with this at this level for the last six
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: or twelve months. I think Israel probably would be best advised.
• 30:15
  Speaker 11: I mean, this is a suggestion of Ahudyari and Brett
• 30:18
  Speaker 11: Stevens and a number of very sagacious pro Israel commentators
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: to withdraw as it has done two interior lines within
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: Gaza and then say what you don't get any reconstruction
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: aid until Hamas surrenders, but you get plenty of food
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: and medical aid, and whenever Hamas puts its head up,
• 30:38
  Speaker 11: we knock it off, just like they're doing in southern
• 30:41
  Speaker 11: Lebanon with Hezbollah. Oddly enough, the ceasefire means that they
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: can't do that, because Hamas can now put its head
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: up in the areas that Israel has evacuated without suffering
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: any adverse consequences. But I don't think Israel should have
• 30:58
  Speaker 11: been conducting operations on the scale that it was doing.
• 31:02
  Speaker 11: Too many innocent people were getting killed and there wasn't
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: enough military benefit to justify it, and Israel was getting
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: sort of hammered relentlessly internationally. But I mean, maybe Hamas,
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: maybe Qatar and the others can talk from us into
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: going quiet for a little while. That's about the best
• 31:22
  Speaker 11: you could hope for.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I think, of course, what happens in the Middle East
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: has ramifications here in Australia. Tony Burke told the Press
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Club today there could be another seven hundred Gars and
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: refugees still to come to Australia. I'm curious to find
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: out what you think about that. Should we be bringing
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: more Garzans here when you consider first a piece deal
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: all bit Shaky has been signed, and second, for every
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: one of the almost three and a half thousand visas granted,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: two were refused. I would have thought two thirds of
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Gars and visa applications being refused demonstrates just how radicalized
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: this region is and would add weight to calls for
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: extra caution on behalf of the Albanese government.
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: Well, you're right, of course, James, but it's a delicate
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: matter to speak of because the people who have come
• 32:09
  Speaker 11: here have come here lawfully, so they are welcome. We
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: must assume they're good people, and they're welcome, and we
• 32:17
  Speaker 11: don't know anything bad about them. However, it strikes me
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: as very poor policy for us to be taking people
• 32:24
  Speaker 11: from Gaza. The international community policy is that Gazans shouldn't
• 32:28
  Speaker 11: be relocated. The overwhelming international refugee policy is that refugees
• 32:34
  Speaker 11: should be settled in the region from which they come.
• 32:38
  Speaker 11: There are dozens of Muslim nations in the Middle East
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: and all around the world which have cultural affinities with
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: the populations in Gaza. No one in the region is
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: taking Ghazan refugees. I think this again is just show
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: voting by the Albanese government and chasing votes in Muslim
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: electorates with very little regard for Australia's deepest national interests,
• 33:04
  Speaker 11: and yet saying all that, I don't want to demonize
• 33:07
  Speaker 11: anyone who has come here lawfully, and therefore there's no
• 33:11
  Speaker 11: problem with them. The problem is with the Australian government.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, before we go, Gregor, I want to ask
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you about the Trump administration calling on allies to quote
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: unquote decouple their economies from China and get behind Washington.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: This comes after China threatened to restrict global supply chains
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: with an expansion of control over rare earth minerals used
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: to make smartphones, cars, household appliances. This would be a
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: pretty big wake up call for Australia, wouldn't it. China
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: is one of our closest geographical trading partners.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: In the US is saying everyone needs to pull right back.
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: Yeah, except the US is not really saying that. I mean,
• 33:50
  Speaker 11: China has threatened absurd restrictions on what you can do
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: with anything which has any China rare earths in it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: If it went ahead with those restrictions, that would be
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: completely insane, and the world would have to find alternative supplies.
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: But the US has done nothing about this in fifteen years.
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: We've all known about this problem for fifteen years. But
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: the problem is, you know, all the components are produced
• 34:14
  Speaker 11: by private companies. They want the lowest price, in China
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: provides the lowest price. Now, Albanese is having a critically
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: important meeting with Trump on Monday night Australian time, and
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: a rare earth steal will be a key to that.
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: But we can't produce rare earth's as cheaply as China can.
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: So either there's got to be a subsidy or there's
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: got to be a mandate from the American and Australian governments. Now,
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: none of our wretched, self seeking, narcissistic societies has been
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: willing to pay two bob for security. So as a result,
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: China has ninety percent of the rare earth's trade. In
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: other words, to make the weapons that it needs to
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: defend itself against China, America has to buy the critical
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: ingredients from China. Well, that's completely crackers. There are abundant
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: rare earth deposits in Australia, there are plenty in America
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: as well. America and Australia could create their alternative supply
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: if they wanted to. They're not willing to spend the money.
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: Maybe they will be. Now you say, isn't it a
• 35:18
  Speaker 11: wake up call? It should be a wake up call,
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: but we've had so many wake up calls. We've put
• 35:23
  Speaker 11: our alarm on snooze forever, and it's very hopeful to
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: wake up call.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: Who knows?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Indeed, Greg Sheridan, always a pleasure to speak with you.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break but coming up,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I'll speak to a man who's just returned from Israel
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: where he's been spending time with Prime Minister Benjaminette and
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yaho and his advisors. I'll find out what it is
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: they've been talking about and what he thinks will happen
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: next in Gaza. That's after the break.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Former US Army Vice Chief of Staff General Jack Keen
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: has recently returned from nine days in Israel. We spent
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: considerable time with Prime Minister Benjamin Nett and Yahoo and
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: his key advisors. General Keene joins me, now, thanks for
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: coming on the program. The first part of the Gaza
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: piece deal meant Hamas returning all the hostages, including bodies
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: of the deceased. Well, that hasn't happened within the seventy
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: two hour deadline. Do you think it's likely to happen
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: at all? And if it doesn't, what happens next?
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Well, certainly there's two things happening here that we're
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: aware of. We do know that Hamas is as you know,
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: is one of three terrorist organization that operates in Gaza.
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: They are the primary, They are the one that's in control,
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: but not all of the hostages and particularly the dead hostages,
• 36:53
  Speaker 12: are under their control. There's two other groups that have
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: some of those hostages, the Palestine Islamic Jihad so called
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: PIJ and in the National Front for the Freedom of Palestine.
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: So it is legitimate that the logistic challenges with the
• 37:15
  Speaker 12: deceased hostages.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Are something of a problem.
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: However, the second part of this is there's a suspicion,
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: certainly in Israeli channels and in their security services channels,
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: that Hamas may indeed be exaggerating their logistics problem in
• 37:35
  Speaker 12: recovery and purposely delayed.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: We don't know that for a fact. We also know
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that they are with.
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: Shovels in hand trying to find these deceased members based
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: on other people's reference points, who know where they were put.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: The next key part is for mass giving up their weapons.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: His President Trump overnight saying that I FROMAS does not disarm,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: the US will disarm them.
• 38:04
  Speaker 13: Well, they're going to disarm because they said they were
• 38:07
  Speaker 13: going to discern, and if they don't disarm, we will
• 38:09
  Speaker 13: disarm them. How I don't have to explain that to you.
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  Speaker 13: But if they don't disarm, we will disarm them. They
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  Speaker 13: know I'm not playing.
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  Speaker 2: Games, General King, Does anyone in Israel believe it's likely
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  Speaker 2: that Hamas will disarm?
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  Speaker 12: Israel has been skeptical of AMAS, saying at the outset
• 38:27
  Speaker 12: to make the deal that they would disarm and they
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: would give up control. That is the reason that the
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: press conference that was held in the White House that
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: announced this deal, it was very clear that President Trump
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: made a statement to the effect that if Hamas rene's
• 38:45
  Speaker 12: on the deal and does not disarm, then the idea
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: from Prime Minister that Yaw would be given the green
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: light to go back in and force their disarmament. This
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: is also recognized the limitations of an international stabilization force,
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: one of whose task is supposed to be to ensure
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: that Harma's disarms. But so our viewers understand, these peace
• 39:13
  Speaker 12: enforcement forces rarely ever work when one of the parties
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: is not cooperating. Case in point, We've had a UN
• 39:22
  Speaker 12: peace enforcement force in Lebanon for almost for two decades plus,
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: and given the fact that Hesbela kept moving their forces
• 39:32
  Speaker 12: south of the Latani River to build infrastructure and to
• 39:36
  Speaker 12: tack Israel every single year, that peace enforcement force was
• 39:42
  Speaker 12: never capable of stopping it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's likely the case here.
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  Speaker 12: And the other thing is is what is the will
• 39:50
  Speaker 12: of the international stabilization force coming from other Arab states
• 39:55
  Speaker 12: or regional powers to actually take on Hamas and them?
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  Speaker 2: Is there any appetites within the Israeli administration to if
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  Speaker 2: Amas does not disarm, sit back and just allow things
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: to unfold in Gaza. I presume civil war would not
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: be impossible, and just let the locals fight it out
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  Speaker 2: while Israel sit back. That way, they don't suffer international condemnation,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: they don't risk their own soldiers' lives.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Is that a way to deal with it?
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  Speaker 12: Well, there's been people in Israel that have had that viewpoint.
• 40:29
  Speaker 12: Some of them are in the military, and some of
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: them are leaders. There's political opponents that have had that viewpoint,
• 40:35
  Speaker 12: and many Israelis themselves. I know where the Prime Minister
• 40:38
  Speaker 12: that NIAW is on this issue because I dealt with
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: them for an hour and a half and I told
• 40:44
  Speaker 12: them even one of my assessment first and I said.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: To him, I said that one of the.
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  Speaker 12: Primary lessons learned for you, mister Prime Minister, is that
• 40:55
  Speaker 12: you can never ever permit proxies on your borders to
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: up any kind of capability so they can attack you again.
• 41:03
  Speaker 12: And letting that happen has to be a major lesson learned.
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: And if you look at the Hesbela model, you can
• 41:10
  Speaker 12: see what Prime Minister net Nyao will do with Hamas.
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: The Hezebel of model is is that the Hesbela has
• 41:18
  Speaker 12: come south since the cease fire, and they've been close
• 41:23
  Speaker 12: to one thousand air strikes not well reported in the
• 41:26
  Speaker 12: media to stop them from rearming, regrouping and building infrastructure
• 41:33
  Speaker 12: in the south from where to attack Israel. And they
• 41:36
  Speaker 12: have stopped them cold from doing that.
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  Speaker 1: That is what I'm.
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  Speaker 12: Convinced the Prime Minister and the IDF will do here.
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: They're not going to permit Hamas to be under arms
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: to be in control in the Daza and reorganize and
• 41:51
  Speaker 12: re equip and attack.
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  Speaker 1: Them once again.
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  Speaker 12: Those days are over as far as the leadership in
• 41:58
  Speaker 12: Israel is concerned, and I think permitting something like that
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: is not only irresponsible, it is absolutely reckless.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is set to provide Ukraine with long range
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Tomahawk missiles. Having brought the Middle East to a piece
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: place where pieces possible, is now turning his attention to Ukraine.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: How will that decision to provide Ukraine with missiles affect
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the war and what's the likely reaction from Vladimir Putin?
• 42:26
  Speaker 12: So our audience understands, Vladimir Putin has been shooting that
• 42:30
  Speaker 12: Ukraine with air and sea launched cruise missiles since the
• 42:34
  Speaker 12: beginning of the war. He's also used hypersonic cruise missiles,
• 42:39
  Speaker 12: and he's used intermediate range ballistic missiles which have multiple
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: warheads on a similar to what would be used if
• 42:49
  Speaker 12: there was a nuclear weapon. All of these four types
• 42:53
  Speaker 12: of long range offensive weapons have been used against Ukrainians,
• 42:58
  Speaker 12: Savilian population as the primary target, and energy populations as
• 43:04
  Speaker 12: a secondary target, and it has been devastating. There's fourteen
• 43:08
  Speaker 12: thousand Ukrainians dead and tens of thousands wounded as a
• 43:14
  Speaker 12: result of these devastating attacks, along with swarms of drones.
• 43:20
  Speaker 12: So the thought that Ukraine should not be given offensive
• 43:25
  Speaker 12: missiles and permit Russia to have a sanctuary from where
• 43:29
  Speaker 12: they can attack into Ukraine doesn't make any sense from
• 43:34
  Speaker 12: a military perspective. And Putin has always thrown out the threat,
• 43:39
  Speaker 12: if you escalate, then you're going to.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Force me to have to escalate.
• 43:44
  Speaker 12: Well, that has been a bluff for three and a
• 43:47
  Speaker 12: half years because Biden bought into this, and as he
• 43:51
  Speaker 12: incrementally finally got around to escalate, and sometimes it was
• 43:55
  Speaker 12: the Europeans that did it first with cruise missiles, with
• 43:59
  Speaker 12: tanks and we're f sixteens that forced the United States
• 44:03
  Speaker 12: under Biden that did much the same. What was the
• 44:06
  Speaker 12: escalation by Putin was any real threat of a tactical
• 44:11
  Speaker 12: nuclear weapon which he was waving in front of everybody.
• 44:14
  Speaker 12: Of course not he knows that would lead to the
• 44:17
  Speaker 12: destruction of his regime and all our war in Europe.
• 44:21
  Speaker 12: So I believe the missiles should be provided.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: General Jack Keane really appreciate your insights this evening. Thanks
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: for joining me.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great talking to you as always. Thank you.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Well after the break, the BBC, up to their old tricks,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: will go to the UK next. It's always great to
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: speak with gb news host Patrick Christie's and he joins me. Now, Patrick,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: welcome to the program. We have to talk about the BBC.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: They keep claiming they're objective and they keep providing evidence
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: to the contrary. They've produced an emotional report about the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: release of a Palestinian prisoner as part of Trump's peace deal,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: and the BBC showed the motive scenes of the prisoner's
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: family crying tears of joy in his release. It was
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: all very moving, but they forgot to mention that this
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: prisoner had been serving four life sentences for his role
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: in a suicide bombing that killed multiple Israelis. Why can't
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the BBC just tell the whole story, Patrick, I'm honestly
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: starting to wonder what if not the BBC is the
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: arm of one of the Palestinian militant organizations at this point.
• 45:33
  Speaker 14: I mean, if you'd just watched that report, you'd thought
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: this guy had been illegally locked up for a traffic
• 45:37
  Speaker 14: of fans or something. But ironically, like you said there,
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: he was actually part of a plot that blew up
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: a school bus.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's loads of these people that are coming
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: out of prison. Now.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: You know bloke who stabbed.
• 45:45
  Speaker 14: A woman eighteen times, he's being treated as returning here.
• 45:48
  Speaker 14: BBC also called it a hostage exchange, which clearly annoyed
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: a lot of members of the Israeli community because those
• 45:55
  Speaker 14: were Palestinian prisoners. The Israelis were not keeping them hostage.
• 45:58
  Speaker 14: They were terrorists. The BBC's got for this, hasn't it
• 46:01
  Speaker 14: doing a Palestine documentary that was presented by the son
• 46:04
  Speaker 14: of a Hamas official that we with taxpayers money probably
• 46:08
  Speaker 14: paid so in a way in adversity funding. Hamas did
• 46:11
  Speaker 14: not want to call Hamas a terrorist organization, but behind
• 46:15
  Speaker 14: the scenes at the BBC they even had events where
• 46:17
  Speaker 14: staff were told to wear the colors of the Palestinian
• 46:20
  Speaker 14: flag on any given day as well, just to show
• 46:22
  Speaker 14: solidarity there. So it's not very difficult to sell which
• 46:25
  Speaker 14: side there are, is it.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's quite astonishing all right now. To finish the program,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I can think of no better way a grand finale
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: than to talk about Meghan Markel and Prince Harry. I'm
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: sure you'd agree it's a fitting end. There were crowned
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Humanitarians of the Year just last week, a title I'm
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: sure they deserved, but Meghan's latest Instagram post coinciding with
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the award doesn't exactly scream humanitarian.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Take a look, Ask me, how do I feel?
• 46:56
  Speaker 11: Little me with a fly and.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Upbringing where so all I can say is.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: If I were a gay, happy way.
• 47:06
  Speaker 10: And if I were a watch I start having my spree,
• 47:12
  Speaker 10: And if I were a bell, I go.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: Ding don ding dong ding.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Patrick the People's Princess, she ate.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: No quite.
• 47:25
  Speaker 14: I mean, it's nice to see Prince Harry there. He
• 47:27
  Speaker 14: must have chewed through his dog lead and just been
• 47:29
  Speaker 14: able to wander off free roaming for a second there,
• 47:31
  Speaker 14: But yeah, saving the world Wan Chanelle and Gucci shoes
• 47:35
  Speaker 14: at the time. You know, it's just ridiculous, isn't it.
• 47:38
  Speaker 14: Why on Earth were they crowned Humanitarians of the Year.
• 47:40
  Speaker 14: I was just just absolutely insane. Really, I think, though,
• 47:44
  Speaker 14: I've got a theory that this is because after they had
• 47:46
  Speaker 14: the wildfires in California, she decided to get a load
• 47:49
  Speaker 14: of her celebrity mates to donate some clothes to people, So,
• 47:52
  Speaker 14: I mean that might have had something to do with it,
• 47:54
  Speaker 14: But you know, it's absolutely ridiculous. Really, You've got people
• 47:57
  Speaker 14: out there, you know, uh, saving people from all sorts
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: of things, and she's there, you know, taking flying, flying
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: business class, possibly on a private jet, all around the world,
• 48:07
  Speaker 14: and that makes you a humanitarian. I mean, it's a
• 48:09
  Speaker 14: kind of award that really, in a roundabout way, you
• 48:11
  Speaker 14: kind of have to pay for. So I wouldn't be
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: surprised if that's what that's what emerges that really.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: I reckon you pointed out the key thing. Harry was
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: there and he was smiling and he looked happy. I
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I wish them well, whatever the deal is with those guys.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Patrick Christie's always a delight to catch up. Thanks for
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: joining me. That's all I've got time for tonight. Coming
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: up right now is Cherry Markson good Night,