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#220 - For Azeroth!: “A Tale of Two Betas 72 hrs later” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Hello everyone. My name is Olivia and welcome to
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  another episode of for Azeroth. This one is a special one.
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  We're having a have seized episodes to 19.5 maybe, but One
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  thing hasn't changed and that is it, I'm joined by my lovely
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  co-host. True Villain.
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  Manny Manny. Why are we here today?
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  What are we doing? What are we doing this?
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  This episode? Okay.
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  That's not the usual question. So yeah.
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  My work and wow was being amazing.
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  Thank you for asking. We we actually do Vin to Mythic
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  finally and we got the first boss down so I can now say till
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  I'm actually a Mythic Raider. After all these years of people
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  being like you're pretty much a myth the grader and I'm like, no
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  I'm not, it's like yeah. Okay.
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  Now I've now we're actually doing some Mythic rating have so
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  many, so many has achieved a new title, Mythic Raider.
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  Okay. The first the first boss, I feel
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  like keep the first usually in the way these go like the first
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  two, three bosses are kind of gimmes.
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  And then you actually start dealing with some real
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  progression. So we got the okay.
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  Yeah. So we'll see how that goes.
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  I'm not going to be able to read with the team on Thursday
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  because I'm heading out of town. Yep.
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  So we're recording this episode which is actually going to be
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  220 unless something crazy happens in the Last two days of
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  the week, this will be episode 220.
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  I'm, I'm just saying here, and if you do a special episode with
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  which you can do while I am unplugged away from all the
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  Doom, scrolling on Twitter and stuff.
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  Now, I'm still gonna have internet access, but still, I'm
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  still not gonna record an episode, but yeah.
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  I also was working on my Demon Hunter, alt trying to get that.
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  Yeah, trying to get that all geared up and also working on
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  making some gold off of that. And I realize that legendaries
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  our way to cheaper than they used to be.
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  Okay, Yeah. Soon as the demand drops down, I
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  bought a 291 for 11k, huh? Yeah, the so I got my my warlock
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  up and running, right? And I think, I think for both of
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  the legendaries that I got It was like maybe maybe 25k total,
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  maybe so, yeah, like legendary is super cheap right now, but
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  that's of course because we've had months and months and months
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  of people farming out all the materials in order to make all
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  the upgrade pieces that that needed to go into, you know,
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  boosting the, the base legendary items up to item level to
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  anyone. So that's, you know, to be
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  expected, the markets just been absolutely.
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  Lately flooded and there is no there is no end in sight.
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  Like if you have any legendary base item in your bags that you
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  have crafted for any reason, they're not going to sell period
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  unless it's anyone and even then like the markets just super,
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  super saturated. Honestly, I hate that for the
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  market. I think that those things should
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  have come down, of course the initial stuff, but what's Makin
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  these? Professional people money.
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  So, come on, dragonflight give give some sort of like,
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  long-lasting actual intrinsic value to professions.
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  I say that again, it's not just about power.
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  Cosmetic things have value that stays something will be strong
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  and powerful until the next tier until the next expansion.
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  But something that just looks cool.
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  It stays cool forever which is quasi shoot, Shigeru Miyamoto.
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  I know I'm gonna do like a deep cut their.
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  That was a, that was a bastardization of his quote,
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  where he says, let you know a late game is late until it
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  ships, but a bad game is bad forever.
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  Yes, it is. That is a true fact.
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  True words have never been uttered by any, any human at
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  all? I'm gonna use that quote later
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  on though. But anything happen to you, in
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  the short period of time, let's say three days between
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  recordings. I spent $70 That's what
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  happened. What will we talk about last
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  episode? Literally three days ago and I
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  believe if because like, you know, I added these things.
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  So, it's more fresh in my head, but I can think of the words of,
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  oh, I'm gonna wait. What?
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  How, and we can put this down in less than 72 hours of waiting.
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  A set less than 72 hours of waiting.
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  I Got the what is it? The heroic Edition is it's like
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  a like the normal than heroic that epic rate.
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  Yeah, and you were all like a so again getting the Epic because,
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  hey, I'm never going to play a pay for game time.
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  No, that wasn't it. It was no.
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  Hey, I don't think that these things are cool.
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  Now that wasn't it. It was hey, I'm gonna wait, no,
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  that doesn't work either. Okay, well, you know what?
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  Don't listen to the last episode.
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  All of its been made invalid by absolute Splurge, spending 100%
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  100%. So actually, this was motivated
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  by I have been, I've been neck-deep in classic.
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  In anticipation for wrath classic naturally and I've been
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  leveling a shaman and I am just so utterly.
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  Enamored with can be cash or like, oh, geez.
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  This Classics. Good.
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  But I'm being weighed down by all this money in my pocket.
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  I don't get the connection here. Toe, explain this to me, but
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  I've just been I've just been so completely smitten, spins a good
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  word, that's a good. That's a good word.
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  I've been Smitten by the shaman and I was like, you know what,
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  it's been a while since I've had a shaman at max level there's a
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  easy, easy level, 60 boost that I can get Baby, you know, not
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  for free, but, you know, for a much reduced cost than it would
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  normally be to get a level 60 boost.
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  And I get the expansion that I'm already going to be spending the
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  money on anyway. So like like, who's losing here?
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  It's not me. Yeah, um, let's see, there's
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  this, there's this, there's this guy I know goes by the name
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  Nath. Really, he's a Demon Hunter.
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  I think he loses out and there's this warlock that I do it again.
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  And like there was a question about, oh yeah, yeah I'm gonna
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  bring him this warlock, that our Aid because it's, you know,
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  bitter geared, and it's sorry it's what I had.
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  And then it's like, Nana's. Forget that warlock I'm gonna go
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  play this Demon Hunter because that's why I was playing earlier
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  in the tear and it's better geared because it's the Demon
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  Hunter has better gear. Now they're all getting pushed
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  to the side for this no-name Shaman.
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  That just popped into existence less than 72 hours ago.
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  Got it. All right, don't even know.
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  Even lose like 24 hours ago. What I like about you live.
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  You stick to your guns but well he didn't write your taste or
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  your your commitment to your characters.
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  Now like this, the Isle of got, the feeling for Shaman.
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  I love all of my characters equally.
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  They are all queens in my book. They are all fantastic.
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  I love every single one of them and Just really want to my focus
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  and attention is on the show. Is you Shaman?
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  I love you all. Did you give it a shot?
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  And don't wait up. Okay.
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  But yeah, but yeah, there's there's quite a lot happened in
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  the World of Warcraft for me these days, which is, which is
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  weird, because we don't technically have any new content
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  to chew through. I'm I'm just I'm just completely
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  in it right now like I can't explain it any other way, other
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  than I'm just I'm having a blast.
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  I'm having a real good time. Yeah I mean it's not new content
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  but there is still content there is still like all the changes
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  that they made for a shaman so playing it on classic is
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  different than playing it on Modern right now.
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  And yeah just like there's been a lot happening for you in game.
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  There's actually been a lot of news that's come out in between
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  shows. So let's talk about the main
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  piece that we didn't have time for last time because we Again,
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  keep getting sidetracked at all a little conversations but the
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  Wrath classic beta is here. I'm in it, I'm also in it.
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  Yeah confirm this afternoon. I'm also in it.
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  You're finally in it. You were you were sad for a
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  couple of days but like hey so if you two hours later A lot has
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  changed clearly and yeah, we got A lot of news around wrap
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  classic, I'm actually more interested in this beta because
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  they are definitely making some changes.
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  They're really looking at that, some changes line and adjusting
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  things. I really liked that they are and
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  honestly, I think that this conversation that they are
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  putting out around wrath classic, makes me feel like
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  wrath, classic is the last in the line.
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  Because they want to make it feel like vanilla. right, and
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  classic is the last time before you get the entire world, being
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  undone by the cataclysm, And it almost feels like a bookend.
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  It kind of does. It kind of doesn't away?
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  I will. I will refute the they want it
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  to feel like vanilla thing because that was a quote from
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  one of the developers a couple of months back.
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  I think probably close to like four months ago.
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  Probably around the time that they were making the
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  announcement of Wrath classic and all that.
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  They did a couple of initial interviews and this is, I'm just
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  going to cut this. Right up to the top here because
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  we have this in a separate. Do story all the way down at the
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  bottom of the notes, but I'm going to pull it up because it
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  is relevant to this, I feel, but in this interview they said that
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  they wanted the they wanted wrath classic to feel like
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  vanilla and as such that they were going to be removing the
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  quest helper that came in patch 3.3.5.
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  Which, you know, that's that's something that if you've been
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  playing the game since what was it, 2009 2010, that something
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  that is just something that's part of the game.
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  Like it's just part of the experience of playing World of
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  Warcraft as they have a built-in Quest.
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  Tracker that helps you determine like, where where you need to
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  go, what you need to be collecting, what you need to be,
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  you know, what enemies to dispatch all that.
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  Has been in the game since Pat 3.3 and they said that they were
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  going to take it out that they weren't going to put it in at
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  all and this was the initial interview again.
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  There are several interviews that said this but They decided
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  against that, given the feedback that basically everyone was just
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  like, no, like you do realize like we're all just using
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  exactly this but an add-on form rate.
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  Like everyone has questi installed, everyone has what?
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  I don't want to say everyone that's that's not entirely true,
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  but the vast majority of people that play classic use these as
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  tools to help them in their in their quest to reach in game
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  because Otherwise, we'd be flipping back and forth between
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  the game and and Wowhead and like just trying to like any
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  other resource that they that they would use without them in
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  order to get these Quest completed.
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  And I think, I think the actual like, I don't, I don't want to
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  mask what they would just throw in an add-on to the replaces.
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  Everybody knows people would throw in her add-on but the
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  people who wanted the more Pure experience, I'm hoping there's a
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  may be a way to turn this off and you're right.
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  This was that the post, that was from a grand who said that,
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  like, yeah, you know, that was something or thought has come a
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  long way from there. But man, maybe we get Alakazam
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  back know. Obviously, it's going to be well
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  head. He's not.
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  But yes, yes, all of that. Um, but I think that For who
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  have been playing on the beta, and several of them, I've seen
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  the comments I've had, I've seen the conversations, they are like
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  jumping back into like, oh, you know, I don't have a bunch of
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  add-ons. And there's something, there's
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  something pure about that is something magical about that.
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  So, I don't think every convenience factor needs to be
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  in. I think that even if they do
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  include things that are like the quest log and the map you, I and
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  all that sort of modern convenience stuff.
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  It still can feel like classic in in ways, in other, in ways,
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  that aren't just like, oh it's not, I don't want to call it,
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  janky or unrefined but in a rustic sort of early feel right?
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  Yeah. The world is still the main
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  character. That was something that was
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  being talked talked about. Yeah but I don't necessarily
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  agree with the notion that having something in the game
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  like a quest helper takes any of the, any of the the focus off
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  the world itself. If anything, I think it adds
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  more to the focus of who are you?
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  Because you are explain this. Yes, go ahead.
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  So In in modern wow. I think it's a little bit easier
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  to to get away with having having your players not
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  necessarily read the quest text like the actual like Quest
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  dialogue that is happening on the screen because most of most
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  of the, the important beats that are being handed out through
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  these quests. There's there's someone there's
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  a talking head. That is delivering, basically,
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  the gist of what's happening in the Dialogue.
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  But that doesn't meet like having these having these tools
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  having the quest tracker and having, you know, the map be
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  populated by by map markers. And, and so on and so forth that
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  I don't think that that necessarily takes away from the
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  quest text. Like the quest dialogue being
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  ridden, read read, and read they're being read, you know,
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  the quest act. That's the Scrolls in front of
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  you. It's you're saying it doesn't
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  take away from that. I'm highly disagreeing with you
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  but keep going. Well, I mean like for us for
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  players like us that have been playing the game for over a
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  decade, you know this is all stuff that we've kind of seen
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  before. So a lot of our experience going
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  through and playing the game, especially if we're like going
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  through leveling other characters going through, like
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  similar content, we're not necessarily paying attention to
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  the quest text, but someone else is coming in.
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  That's new to the game. Is.
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  Okay, it's they're more inclined to do that than they would
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  otherwise. And I think that to leave to
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  leave out the the quest helper in Wrath specifically, is going
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  to be kind of a, kind of a turn-off for a lot of players
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  because it like, yes, there's a convenience factor to it.
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  You're not having to flip back and forth.
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  You're not having to read through and scrutinize every
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  line of quest. Text to make sure you're getting
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  it right. They're not wasting time. but,
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  It is, it is a tool that helps people to figure out where they
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  need to be in order to do the objective that they're trying to
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  accomplish, okay? So modern, wow, I'm going
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  around. I don't care any any Zone.
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  Quest comes up, shut down window because talking head, which way
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  do I go? Here's the Waypoint that
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  automatically shows me on my screen, right?
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  And if that's not a big enough thing, there's usually somebody
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  being like follow me and running off in the right direction.
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  The quest objective is two feet away from where I pick up the
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  quest or is automatically given to me when I walk into the area.
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  Mmm. If all of that fails, the
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  mini-map gives me a big outline of the area that I can do this
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  in and out and the enemies are highlighted.
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  The quest text is so little of doing quests that you need to
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  actively be wanting to slow yourself down to do it to read
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  through Quest text. That's what modern, wow is right
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  now. Mmm, and there's no, if ands or
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  buts about it. That's what modern wow, is, if
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  they want you to actually pay attention to something is fully
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  voiced and it will stop you and even then you can hit us.
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  And skip it right? Modern wow.
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  Is handhold through request through text is without the need
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  of you actually reading text. In fact, the entire thing is a
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  meme of oh, you read Quest X, right?
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  Contrast that to much earlier where it's like, oh Yugi to
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  could combat this thing. And they'll tell you this guy,
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  and this guy, and there isn't a pop up in your Heads up display,
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  the enemies aren't highlighted, or the objectives aren't
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  highlighted, and they're in a different part of the world.
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  So you have to go over that part of the world, especially back in
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  Old vanilla days, where it's like, oh, you need to kill that
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  troll under the bridge and it's like the bridge by the blah
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  blah, blah tree, anybody, okay? So which tree is that?
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  And they'd be like Northeast of town you make, okay Northeast of
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  town and you would actually need to orientate yourself get
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  they're look for this bridge and then there would be a troll
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  there to go kill And you're telling me, you're telling me
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  that the on rail theme park of current.
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  Wow, is more immersive. No requires you to use the quest
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  exported like that. It's just it is a completely
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  different feel because of all of the on Rails convenience factors
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  that they have put in to Modern wow including Quest helpers
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  including highlighting relevant Quest objectives.
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  Shooting all the verbal audible text tells that they do for it.
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  Well you're not wrong, you're not wrong.
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  I think it's a difference of perspective on it because like
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  for me the the having having an NPC run along with you when you
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  accept a quest and they're running towards the objective
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  and all you gotta do is follow him.
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  That's much more immersive than. Oh I've just arrived at this.
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  NPC, let me read. Two or three pages of quest,
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  text to figure out where I'm going that takes me out of it.
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  That is the opposite of immersive.
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  So on that level because another thing to remember is that he had
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  many novels I read plenty exactly.
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  And you get immersed in them. Yeah but so why don't you
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  questions are not impressive in the same way that a book is
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  there are two completely separate things.
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  I get immersed in a game like gotta work.
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  That is an immersive game because you are constantly going
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  through. And there are times where you're
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  slow down and forced to listen to dialogue as you're as you're
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  traversing through this place and you're being, you know,
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  spoon-fed the story and it's not, but I think there's
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  different level. There are different ways of
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  immersion and vanilla was more about the quest text, not the
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  helper Bots, to help you. Right.
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  Right. And Wrath of the Lich King, the
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  zones had vast areas that weren't being used, particularly
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  for thing that have spaces in between the quest objectives,
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  whereas modern, they are very much close together.
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  Very much guided through, right? Where you go from, like East to
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  be where you went from like point A to point B and then
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  you'd have to back it, go back to point a and then that would
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  take you to point C and you would be going around and doing
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  these various hubs and now it's like you go This little twisting
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  line, you have to hit every every little place and nook and
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  cranny in the zone as your quest.
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  Takes you there through rails? And it used to be that you would
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  stop. You be like, okay, let me bring
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  up my quest log in. What exactly am I supposed to do
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  here? Yeah.
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  I mean if it was even if it was like this little guy following
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  you, oh I'm supposed to be killing the Troll Headhunters
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  not the patrol acts throwers because it would be two
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  different types of trolls in the area and only one of them
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  actually gave you what you wanted.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Which I mean the, the tooltips, the tooltips even in in classic
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  they they have the like if there is like an enemy that you know,
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  you need to kill for a quest, even the tooltips themselves
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  have that in there. So that's something that's
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  that's kind of baked into classic even at a base level.
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  Even if that As an in the original.
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  Wow add I can't confirm or deny that but what I'm what I'm
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  getting at is that the the quest helper that's being added in to
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  wrath from day. One is the 3.3 Quest helper like
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  it's that version of the the quest helper.
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  So it's not what we have in modern.
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  Wow. Where everything's highlighted,
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  you know exactly like your heads up display gives you literally
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  boundless. Ocean about the current
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  objective. It is, it is very much.
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  Just a, here's an area where the enemy mostly is on your map and
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  then a box next to it that has all the objectives of the quest
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  that you're currently on. That's it.
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  That's the only thing you get that is any different from The
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  regular, like, classic will say classic, but the like the
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  vanilla and BC versions of the game or even RAF pre pets 3.3.
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  Like that's just, that's just it, like, it's nothing super
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  special. It just gives you a general
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  guideline of where you need to be standing in order to get the
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  objectives that you have in your quest like done.
• 24:55
  That's it, that's it. Okay.
• 24:57
  All right. So then what about the group
• 25:00
  fighter tool? Because that's the other thing
• 25:03
  that's Crossing line between modernization and old school
• 25:06
  house that being implemented. Well, they don't think that it's
• 25:12
  fully implemented which I had I'd literally just got home from
• 25:15
  work sat down at my desk saw that I was in the in the Wrath
• 25:19
  beta and haven't been able to like jump in and see anything
• 25:22
  for myself. So I'm just going off of
• 25:25
  information that I've that I've seen around the internet but
• 25:28
  From what I've seen they have said that they're updating the
• 25:33
  the group finder tool to be more in line with the retail version
• 25:38
  of of the group finder. So if you go in, go and look
• 25:42
  through the pre-made groups, that's basically what they're
• 25:46
  implementing into into Rath classic, so that you'll be able
• 25:49
  to select roles, you'll be able to see exactly how many players
• 25:54
  are in a party. You'll be able to list groups
• 25:57
  listed individually. Search for groups, both or not
• 26:01
  even both. But for all three raids Dungeons
• 26:03
  and PVP exactly how you are able to in retail.
• 26:10
  Obviously, it's not going to be a one for one thing.
• 26:13
  There, there are differences in that.
• 26:21
  You can search you can still like search by dungeon but you
• 26:25
  can also do like batch searches, so you can select like multiple
• 26:28
  dungeons. You can select multiple
• 26:29
  difficulties of a dungeon that kind of stuff.
• 26:38
  So that's that's a pretty big departure from where they've
• 26:42
  been because I have been playing burning Crusade classic.
• 26:47
  And there is a group finder tool that is available in burning
• 26:51
  Crusade, classic and I Have to say 100% right out of the gate,
• 26:58
  I don't like the burning Crusade group finder.
• 27:01
  I don't think that it was well designed or well implemented
• 27:05
  into burning Crusade, classic. even though it is bounds better
• 27:10
  than the group finder tool that they had added in original
• 27:13
  burning Crusade, back in the day, It's still just lacked.
• 27:18
  A lot of Polish like Robert convenience factors.
• 27:25
  No no, that's not even, that's not even the level of Polish and
• 27:29
  I'm talking about with a with a riveting tool developed by
• 27:35
  blizzard, the lack of polish that I'm talking about is say,
• 27:40
  say your level 35 and you queue up for some dungeons.
• 27:46
  And they're not even cute. But you you you know, post
• 27:49
  yourself to you're looking for these these three Dungeons and
• 27:54
  you're looking at groups and other players that are also
• 27:57
  looking for those dungeons in that range and you you know
• 28:02
  continue about questing and you level up to level 36 you no
• 28:06
  longer level 35 but you queued at level 35 it does not update
• 28:13
  your level in the group finder tool.
• 28:16
  So you're still reading is 35 and it won't update your level
• 28:20
  until you log out and log back in.
• 28:23
  So that is a Just a plain oversight of something that
• 28:28
  should be fairly easy to take care of for one would think.
• 28:33
  So that's, that's going to be where my testing is is going to
• 28:36
  be, like, how adaptive is this tool compared to its burning
• 28:40
  Crusade counterpart. How easy is it to search for
• 28:45
  specific content? That I'm looking for?
• 28:47
  How easy is it to find other people that are searching for
• 28:50
  that particular content? That's, that's the kind of thing
• 28:52
  that I'm going to be judging it on and that's Be the feedback
• 28:56
  that I provide is going to be how how does this tool enhance
• 29:01
  my experience of whack classic. Because if it, like how I'm
• 29:07
  looking at the quote unquote or I guess, hashtag some changes
• 29:13
  that they're putting into Rath classic.
• 29:16
  I'm looking at it from a perspective of yeah, that's
• 29:20
  cool. That's great.
• 29:22
  How does it make it better? And does this actually make
• 29:26
  something? Does it make some aspect of the
• 29:28
  game better for, for myself and for other players?
• 29:32
  And that's kind of how I'm going to be judging, a lot of the
• 29:36
  changes they Implement into Rath classic.
• 29:38
  Okay. I have this weird thing about
• 29:41
  wrath where I find it was like kind of a Tipping Point between
• 29:45
  convenience factors and the old identity thing, like we've
• 29:52
  always had that conversation about server.
• 29:54
  Versus convenience factors. Hey, cross realm dungeon groups,
• 30:00
  right cross realm reading, faction to separation.
• 30:05
  All these sort of things that have gone away over to over the
• 30:09
  time and it it definitely has a plus and adds to convenience and
• 30:17
  ability for people to play very quickly into group content.
• 30:22
  But I feel like there has Being a loss to that.
• 30:26
  And it's funny because you were complaining about like oh no new
• 30:31
  content for at the top of the show for modern but still being
• 30:37
  able to enjoy stuff. And I think that with season 4
• 30:43
  and with this raid group that I'm in, I think I'm going to
• 30:46
  have a blast in season four. I think that there's going to be
• 30:50
  a lot there but I know other groups once they get Let's say a
• 30:55
  OTC. Like, if the group gets ALDC on
• 30:59
  Sunday, I don't expect them to be consistently rating after
• 31:03
  that. I think they're, they hit their
• 31:05
  goals and their done, right? So being able to quickly put
• 31:12
  together a group and jump, cross realm, and jump into a group
• 31:18
  that is just getting their Jailer kill and then get that.
• 31:21
  And be like, okay I'm done, I don't need anything like, I feel
• 31:24
  that that it's this weird thing and I like and I and I know I'm
• 31:29
  writing this line. So I know immediately this this
• 31:33
  this line that I'm falling into those guys who are like oh you
• 31:36
  cheated the game and you cheated yourself litter, dude.
• 31:39
  It's like a know like they would but like there is a reward for
• 31:47
  Starting from the beginning and working all the way through in
• 31:53
  concert with people. Getting my Keystone master was
• 32:00
  an accomplishment that I work towards and it and I love to
• 32:05
  getting Keystone Master with Joss and with Xander and with
• 32:10
  NIMBY and with the guys that I well, you know what, I'm
• 32:12
  literally missing, what one person?
• 32:14
  So let me just say Matt and Season right.
• 32:22
  And getting that together and actually getting Keystone master
• 32:27
  and I like getting it working in my way and get it myself, I
• 32:31
  think I feel a lot less happy or satisfied with it if I just had
• 32:39
  bonus and his guys take me around this week and be like,
• 32:42
  okay just we're going to cure you come along and I got KSM
• 32:47
  this week without working my way through the higher levels.
• 32:51
  And or is the lower levels to get there?
• 32:53
  And I think and I think that When everything becomes
• 32:59
  automated, you don't have that attachment when everything
• 33:02
  becomes almost an instant gimme. You don't have that attachment.
• 33:06
  Like, it's just it if Poindexter Furious was alive and kicking
• 33:12
  today, and we got the and Owen kill together.
• 33:17
  That would mean so much to me and frankly more to me than
• 33:21
  getting the Jailer kill when I got the Jailer kill because we
• 33:26
  worked together, we strove to get that.
• 33:29
  And and who would fight is a epic fight.
• 33:32
  Oh yeah, killing Sylvanas would get your kit together.
• 33:37
  Awesome. I know Pete.
• 33:38
  Some people were really burnt at the end of it because that was a
• 33:42
  struggle of a tear. Hmm.
• 33:44
  But getting that was great. And there is no, like there is
• 33:50
  nothing taking away from when we got our first kill.
• 33:56
  Of sired and a threose. That was just like nerd screams
• 34:00
  and everything that was wonderful.
• 34:03
  So, I I feel like when you put in all these convenience
• 34:09
  factors, when you have, oh let me throw gold at it and get
• 34:13
  myself the carry from this cross realm group, that is do is doing
• 34:19
  these things then like, it doesn't mean.
• 34:22
  As much like, I still love the spawn of gallic gross because I
• 34:27
  did that with a team that was working their way up.
• 34:32
  I still remember. The first tier that I did heroic
• 34:40
  with get your crit together. And I still remember how on top
• 34:45
  of the world we were doing all dear because that was when we're
• 34:50
  like we're going to go hard and we're going to make this work
• 34:53
  and then we were killing old ear at the top of our Guild.
• 34:56
  Like that was when we were in a ie and there were so many raid
• 34:59
  groups within a ie that's like going from being a little-known
• 35:06
  team non-factor team and I apologize.
• 35:11
  You were part of The converter Aid Mega Guild as well.
• 35:16
  Right? Yes, yes, II LED several teams
• 35:20
  in the converter Aid Mega Guild. It's similar similar thing.
• 35:24
  Like it's something like you you join a team or you start a team
• 35:28
  and you get the people together and you're there, you know,
• 35:32
  going through chugging through this content with your friends
• 35:36
  and it's awesome to have a goal set out.
• 35:42
  To to accomplish that goal and achieve it for yourself from the
• 35:46
  very beginning. And that's like, like you
• 35:50
  mentioned, you mentioned the get your crew together kill of
• 35:52
  Saturday. I threose I was there.
• 35:55
  I was there for that that was hands down.
• 35:57
  My favorite moment of this entire expansion was that first,
• 36:01
  a OTC that we got together. That was fantastic and Moments
• 36:08
  like that. I think are kind of the point of
• 36:13
  going back to Classic. It's it's going back and not
• 36:19
  trying to recapture that, but to create new experiences like
• 36:23
  that. But with older content like I
• 36:27
  The Guild that I'm in in classic, we got kael'thas.
• 36:33
  We got kael'thas and Lady Vash while I Still raining in in
• 36:38
  classic and similarly, like those were fights that we were
• 36:43
  spending weeks on trying to get them and we got them right right
• 36:48
  under the patch that came in with the, the next content,
• 36:52
  that, that was really. So right before black Temple
• 36:55
  came out and had the nerd screams were just as loud there.
• 36:59
  As they were with our kill, with great to get your crew together
• 37:03
  in this arid and a serious fight.
• 37:05
  So yeah. That's something that I don't
• 37:07
  think is necessarily going to be diminished in this because of
• 37:12
  the, the fact that the convenience factors aren't going
• 37:17
  to be there, except for they're just adding something that that
• 37:22
  ubiquitously, people are using anyway, in the form of an
• 37:26
  add-on. So a lot of people, the majority
• 37:29
  of people are using add-ons, like questi.
• 37:31
  And that's all that they're adding in with with the With the
• 37:39
  with the quest helper add-on. That's that's all that's being
• 37:41
  added is just a hey, here's where you need to go to.
• 37:46
  Look at this, you don't have to sift through all of this Quest
• 37:49
  text or go to a third party site in order to find this stuff and
• 37:53
  you still get the satisfaction of completing the quest and
• 37:56
  getting through the content on your own at your own pace, but
• 38:00
  here's where my analogy comes in, right?
• 38:04
  Many people more. Our Quest that, you know, you
• 38:08
  really had to work towards, you really have to figure out many.
• 38:12
  People will remember Green Hills of stranglethorn.
• 38:18
  Yeah, and getting those pages and oh, my goodness, searching
• 38:21
  for those pages all over the place.
• 38:23
  I I have a scrubs verse the world story that I will tell
• 38:27
  some time about my friend and I dying a million times and in
• 38:31
  stranglethorn but I don't think people remember the quest that
• 38:40
  they quickly looked at the quest helper ran over there.
• 38:44
  Did some unremarkable thing and got it done.
• 38:50
  Right. And I think that.
• 38:52
  Yeah and I think that helps lessen it right?
• 38:56
  I remember Quest where I like I was confused what to do and
• 39:01
  somebody and somebody in the world would come up to me and be
• 39:04
  like oh You trying to do this, come over here, here's where it
• 39:07
  is and I would follow a person and it would create a social
• 39:10
  Bond because I wasn't but like I think that is so hard to do in
• 39:16
  modern days where I have a second screen and I can have Lao
• 39:19
  head up and be like, okay, what do I do this?
• 39:22
  Right. Like imagine even in there with
• 39:24
  mortise where we have to find those like Exiles journals.
• 39:30
  Yeah, right. That would be Similar if you
• 39:36
  like, okay, let me just look around the world and maybe I
• 39:38
  climb up this hill and oh I found it or you find something
• 39:41
  else and that becomes a moment. Those are moments that are
• 39:44
  utterly lost with modernization and I don't think you can say
• 39:49
  that the quest helper isn't just part of that.
• 39:52
  It may not be the biggest part of it, and it may be something
• 39:55
  that because it's not. The biggest part is easily
• 39:58
  replaced by having, wow, head up on that second screen or
• 40:02
  whatever or an add-on that would immediately replace. but, When
• 40:08
  you make it Baseline feature, it's intended.
• 40:14
  Yeah, right. Yeah.
• 40:17
  And it like I'm I'm not disagreeing that there isn't
• 40:20
  there isn't validity to the assertion that things like that
• 40:26
  kind of kind of like helped to cheapen the experience.
• 40:30
  But in my experience in classic, it's not cheapening it at all
• 40:34
  but that's for me. That's my taste personally and
• 40:38
  they're going to be people that argue with me and they're going
• 40:40
  to be people that are agree with you on this.
• 40:42
  It's just like I would much Rather than have a not janky
• 40:47
  Quest helper in the game. So I don't have to keep relying
• 40:50
  on the janky add-on questi. In order to get my questing
• 40:54
  needs met, that's just my personal opinion, but but there
• 40:59
  are, you know, or like they're just going to make it like, you
• 41:03
  know what? Again, I was asking for an
• 41:05
  option to turn it off. So if I wanted to have Mike,
• 41:07
  well, Yankee experience. Yeah, I totally immersed myself
• 41:11
  in that. Totally agree.
• 41:13
  They should, they should have A a toggle for that.
• 41:16
  But, you know, well, well, the feedback is given.
• 41:19
  I've seen multiple people provide, that feedback myself,
• 41:23
  so hopefully they'll take it to heart, because I do think that,
• 41:25
  that would also be a good idea. But there are several other
• 41:29
  things we need to talk about. So I'm gonna go ahead and chew
• 41:32
  through the rest of these the rest of these things that
• 41:35
  they've brought up there looking to change.
• 41:38
  So they said that they're exploring ideas like having
• 41:42
  tinted 25 player raids. Drop the same loot making heroic
• 41:46
  dungeons, more difficult and offering better gear to
• 41:49
  compensate throughout the expansion.
• 41:52
  There, we close on that was on the okay, sorry.
• 41:55
  Okay? Because this was something that
• 41:57
  became sort of a kerfuffle and then people were reading too
• 42:01
  much into it because they're like, oh, heroic isn't something
• 42:06
  that I can, you know, quickly out gear and you remember back
• 42:10
  in Wrath of the Lich King AOE fast, pull pull, pull, pull pull
• 42:14
  Everybody, everybody is just upset because Hunters would be
• 42:17
  able to like use the rain of arrows on the run too.
• 42:21
  Like, cap out the thing or you would just have a shaman, just
• 42:25
  be like, chain lightning, everything, but, or just one
• 42:30
  boomkin, it's just entering the dungeon interesting for anything
• 42:37
  to them. Yeah, and I don't know they're
• 42:41
  there, this is something. Blizzard.
• 42:46
  Left because of the design restraints that they had at the
• 42:51
  time and now that they have the ability to do something, they're
• 42:55
  adjusting it where they're going to be like, okay each phase that
• 42:59
  comes through each tear that that comes through they would
• 43:02
  adjust the heroic dungeon so that they are relatively scaled
• 43:08
  up to what people would need. They would be relatively scaled
• 43:14
  to the difficulty. people, so that they're not the I don't
• 43:22
  want to call what's the opposite of white vest.
• 43:24
  I don't know. GG, easy kill, kill sprees.
• 43:28
  Yeah, Yeah. So basically basically all that
• 43:31
  they're considering doing is just as the patches get
• 43:35
  released. They just increase the health
• 43:37
  and damage of the enemies in the dungeons.
• 43:40
  That's it. That's all that they're doing.
• 43:42
  There's no, like, I've seen a lot of people throw around stuff
• 43:45
  like, oh, it's heroic, plus, they're doing heroic plus
• 43:49
  tangent, they also are increasing The rewards of
• 43:52
  course. Yeah, yeah, it has best to scale
• 43:55
  with the the difficulty of the Dungeons and it's it is a way
• 44:00
  for people to jump in. It's a way for people to jump in
• 44:04
  and be able to acquire loot that is appropriate for the content
• 44:09
  that they're going into and not just have to have all the badges
• 44:13
  farmed and go through with each patch and, you know, purchase
• 44:19
  all that gear. It's just giving a another way
• 44:21
  for people to get at least a little bit of gear in order to
• 44:25
  catch up that kind of cash. I guess, I guess a better way to
• 44:29
  put this would be this is more like salt ketchup friendliness
• 44:34
  like it's not necessarily about your main because your main if
• 44:36
  you're rating that raid gear is going to carry.
• 44:39
  You just straight into the next raid to your period or
• 44:42
  latecomers as well. People who might join you in
• 44:44
  later, I just feel like there's obviously going to be the
• 44:47
  conflict between these and the ICC dungeons at will come out at
• 44:50
  the end where Those were supposed to be the catch-up and
• 44:53
  so people would be chain running those.
• 44:55
  In fact, they were actually relevant for some people who
• 44:59
  were doing rating at the time as well as don't forget, there were
• 45:04
  dungeons that came out later in the expansion for Wrath of the
• 45:07
  Lich King along with trial of the Crusader.
• 45:11
  We had a five-man dungeon, I think Hall of stone and Hollows
• 45:15
  and Halls of lightning were those later or did no, I mean,
• 45:19
  leave on release. Nice.
• 45:21
  I believe that they were available.
• 45:23
  I think that they were just in game dungeons.
• 45:25
  So they were ones that were unlocked because wrath Lich,
• 45:29
  King was strange in that, there were two level 80 zones, there
• 45:34
  was Ice crown and storm peaks that both of them were level 80
• 45:40
  zones. So the dungeons that were
• 45:42
  available in the storm Peak so Halls of stone Halls of Valor.
• 45:48
  So they would be kind of like the Mythic only dungeons that
• 45:51
  Got. In the current expansions where
• 45:54
  it's like once you've leveled, then they're available, but
• 45:57
  these would be quote, unquote, normal than heroic only.
• 46:01
  Yeah, I guess a better. A better analogy would be.
• 46:04
  It's like the serum are dungeons Kings Rest?
• 46:08
  Yeah. All right.
• 46:10
  Christopher Ellis. Yeah.
• 46:11
  Right. And again, there were multiple
• 46:15
  dungeons that were like that in Shadow lands as well.
• 46:18
  That came once you can hit cap, then you could do it.
• 46:22
  But I think yeah that might cause a weird sort of conflict
• 46:28
  with those where it's where you used to have those dungeons, be
• 46:34
  the dungeons to do and therefore the dungeon pool would be much
• 46:39
  more concentrated on that. But in the same time, you're now
• 46:43
  going to have these weird itemization things where your
• 46:47
  best trinket may come from one of these earlier dungeons, where
• 46:51
  before it had leveled out, like it's the same.
• 46:54
  Issue that they have with Mythic plus today.
• 46:56
  So they're already going to be needing to do adjustments for
• 46:58
  it. I do think it's it's an odd
• 47:00
  thing. I definitely loved doing badge
• 47:04
  runs where it was just like. Yeah, this is going to be.
• 47:07
  Hey, new guy, follow me and you would just blazed through the
• 47:10
  entire thing, yeah. Oh yeah.
• 47:13
  Oh. Oh, man, on my death knight.
• 47:17
  I remember one of my favorite memories of Wrath was getting
• 47:20
  in. As as Frost in a tank like a
• 47:26
  frost tanking spec and just going through pulling an entire
• 47:30
  dungeon and just not caring about anything such good times
• 47:37
  saying it. Like or you be like on your alt.
• 47:39
  And I remember because I started somewhat late in knots.
• 47:43
  Yeah, somewhat late in RAF. I think I was I reached cap and
• 47:48
  part way through Old Wire so I had Miss naxxramas I had missed
• 47:54
  obsidian sanctum and I have attorney when they were current,
• 47:59
  but I remember just being like, oh, let me just follow behind
• 48:04
  this guy and loot and loot and then fall in line in Loot and
• 48:08
  like, yeah, it wasn't me. Learning how to play exactly.
• 48:11
  But it was still like a much more positive experience than
• 48:16
  you might get when everything needs to be.
• 48:21
  At level properly. Scaled, everybody needs to do
• 48:25
  their part and so they're upset at you for not doing your part
• 48:27
  even though like your new. It's a very strange thing.
• 48:31
  That's why that meta exist in time.
• 48:35
  Walking doesn't accelerate doesn't exist in time, walking
• 48:39
  where people can equip their cloak and and neck piece and go
• 48:43
  berserk versus in Mythic and Mythic a-pluses where it's like,
• 48:48
  do you really need to be holding up?
• 48:51
  Bring your own because I don't want to untie a knot time this.
• 48:55
  So, again, I don't I understand it being relevant, but there was
• 49:01
  always relevant dungeons. Yeah, and I think I think the
• 49:04
  goal and I'd have to go back and look through.
• 49:09
  I have to go back and look through the blue post.
• 49:11
  It was talking about this, but I think the goal is just to make
• 49:13
  it so that it's not something that's incredibly boring because
• 49:17
  that is something like after after like your You're, you
• 49:22
  know, fourth week of, you know, going through and getting your
• 49:25
  Valor cap, basically, in an hour's worth of gameplay, it
• 49:30
  gets stale real fast, real fast, just going and queuing up for
• 49:34
  Heroic dungeon and just not having to care.
• 49:37
  Like, basically everything's hitting you like wet noodles and
• 49:42
  you're just plowing through everything, it gets boring very
• 49:46
  quickly. So I think for the sake of
• 49:48
  longevity, it does make sense for them to kind of scale.
• 49:51
  Things up a little bit as the expansion goes through, but not
• 49:55
  to the level that we see with the scaling of say Mythic
• 49:58
  dungeons, where every new season of modern.
• 50:01
  Wow. They're basically resetting
• 50:03
  everyone back to zero and saying.
• 50:05
  Okay, now everything is as deadly as it was the day.
• 50:09
  You hit level cap. I don't think they're doing
• 50:12
  that. I mean, hopefully not but
• 50:15
  there's two things, they consider one.
• 50:17
  Is that classic has always had a condensed to release schedule.
• 50:21
  Also, it's is so it doesn't become as stale because you are
• 50:30
  seeing new content period. And to, is that when we were
• 50:36
  doing this, you weren't immediately on, at the end of
• 50:39
  naxxramas being able to solo dungeons.
• 50:41
  It wasn't until we were a much later and expansion that you
• 50:44
  could have a person solo Dungeons and getting to that
• 50:47
  point where you could Soul over almost solo dungeons.
• 50:51
  Was part of the fun and power fantasy of like, oh I'm such a
• 50:57
  strong hero, I'm a DPS, they can tank the boss myself and kill
• 51:01
  it, right? I'm I'm a Healer that can like,
• 51:04
  run through and tank. All of these things.
• 51:06
  I'm a tank that like, says you guys sit here and and clean up
• 51:10
  after me, because remember group, Luke wasn't a thing.
• 51:13
  So people were learning one of the time while you just like,
• 51:16
  kill em. Oh um, that like that power
• 51:19
  fantasy. Is going to be most expressed in
• 51:25
  those dungeon runs and is now going to be lost in those
• 51:28
  dungeon runs. So, again, they're like Bears
• 51:31
  positives. There was definitely positives.
• 51:33
  But again, there's this is where you're at it.
• 51:36
  You're at a Tipping Point. Yeah, anyways, yeah, keep going
• 51:40
  moving through. And hopefully, hopefully, we can
• 51:42
  get through the rest of these a little bit more quickly, but
• 51:44
  here we are. The initial raid.
• 51:47
  Next Ramos will have the difficulty scaled.
• 51:51
  Up from where it was initially released in 2008, with health
• 51:56
  and, and damage scaled to be a little bit more difficult than
• 52:00
  it was back then. Because they willingly admit,
• 52:04
  that they kind of messed up with, with the re-release of
• 52:08
  naxxramas because of how difficult it was in vanilla.
• 52:11
  They were just like, maybe we need to scale stuff back.
• 52:14
  So they did for its release in Wrath of the Lich King is the
• 52:17
  first raid that was available and they favorite He knows that
• 52:21
  that was a bad idea because they want us to have something a
• 52:26
  little bit more meaty to chew through until all the work gets
• 52:29
  released which you know, it won't be the same length of time
• 52:33
  as it was back. Endeared, initial release but
• 52:35
  still still is going to be, you know, we're going to be in next
• 52:38
  Ramos for quite some time. Team is contemplating ideas to
• 52:43
  make heroic dungeon content remain relevant through the
• 52:45
  entire expansion. We've already talked about the
• 52:47
  best, but something else is that Are they said that turton was
• 52:56
  initially purchased by badges. So, you know, the the problem of
• 53:02
  having badges be relevant, throughout the entire expansion,
• 53:05
  kind of gets resolved, by the time, you get to tier 10.
• 53:08
  But basically what they're talking about is expanding that
• 53:11
  out to the rest of the tears that are available.
• 53:14
  So all like, okay, this remind this reminded me.
• 53:21
  Cuz you could purchase the old, tear re-tear with badges by
• 53:28
  chain running dungeon. So they were relevant rewards
• 53:31
  and they were like, they were way easier and stuff and then
• 53:34
  the stuff for the current here. You would then need to like
• 53:38
  actually start diving into into the more challenging content.
• 53:42
  So yeah, again like like I said by the like they said rather by
• 53:48
  tier 10 it absolutely solved itself.
• 53:51
  They're making it that same sort of structure all the way through
• 53:55
  so sure I think that's fine but you know what, this is exactly
• 54:00
  what we keep asking for in modern be like, you know,
• 54:04
  instead of doing 20 different currencies, why don't you just
• 54:09
  make it uniform Valor and and honor or whatever you want and
• 54:16
  this is for old tear stuff to get you caught up.
• 54:20
  And this is What you do for current tear stuff?
• 54:23
  Yeah, yeah. So emblems emblem, will drop the
• 54:28
  same way. Every tear set pieces would be
• 54:30
  acquired the same way every tear and they're looking at making
• 54:36
  the raid lockouts function the same way, but also making it to
• 54:39
  where 10 and 25 player. Raids drop emblems of Valor and
• 54:44
  heroic dungeons, will drop emblems of heroism.
• 54:47
  The question that I have that, I don't think we'll have an
• 54:50
  answer. For a couple more weeks yet is
• 54:55
  if they plan on every patch resetting emblems.
• 55:00
  Because if they do, then that also furthers, the idea that
• 55:07
  heroic dungeons are going to be something that everyone's
• 55:09
  looking to do throughout the entire expansion because there
• 55:12
  are going to be pieces that are going to be purchasable with the
• 55:16
  with the emblems of heroism that you get from the heroic
• 55:18
  dungeons. But you kind of you kind of also
• 55:23
  have to know that they definitely will be doing this
• 55:27
  with emblems of Valor because the ability to go run a raid,
• 55:31
  get everything, get all your tear farmed out and then go
• 55:36
  through and recap your Valor going into the next year, just
• 55:40
  so you can just purchase everything that that every what
• 55:45
  they did with every season is that your Valor would Grade.
• 55:53
  You can become to become the lower tier, and your lower tier
• 55:56
  would get converted to Silver. Gotcha, right.
• 56:01
  So then you would start fresh building up your Valor for the
• 56:05
  current stuff. Without anybody getting a leg
• 56:07
  up. Mmm, right.
• 56:09
  Yeah. And you could fill in holes but
• 56:11
  you could have always filled in the holes because you had the
• 56:13
  Valor last season, but now it becomes way faster to acquire
• 56:17
  the lower tier badge. Yeah, just yeah.
• 56:20
  Jump mechanic that again. Hey, ba turn dragonflight.
• 56:26
  Yeah, we've done the work in their weak, Link in the judge.
• 56:29
  But yeah I think that that that is a great idea.
• 56:32
  I think that's something they could definitely do.
• 56:34
  The last thing, the last thing is that they said that all the
• 56:38
  original rattle Hitch, King rate and dungeon items will be
• 56:40
  available in the game and will retain their unique art.
• 56:45
  So there are a few items that I think this could be talking
• 56:51
  about may be corrupted ashbringer, Slayer of the
• 56:54
  lifeless? I it's hard.
• 56:57
  It's hard to think. What other items they could be
• 57:01
  talking about? Like there's there's maybe like
• 57:04
  a couple of dungeon items that I think got like a maybe got a
• 57:10
  upgrade in in retail that they're talking about, but I
• 57:16
  don't know of any off the top of my head that this could be
• 57:19
  talking about. So I am at a loss as to what
• 57:22
  this actually is talking about personally, Well, maybe the
• 57:28
  release, there's no. Maybe they can write in, and let
• 57:31
  us know about some unique artwork that was on items in
• 57:35
  Wrath of the Lich King. Now, that being said, I really
• 57:40
  took more time reading about their principles and what they
• 57:45
  were trying to do that entire thing about making the world,
• 57:49
  the main character, that's from an article that they just
• 57:51
  released. So, there are three pillars were
• 57:54
  protect social experiences. Something I We were talking
• 57:57
  about a lot, just now you have approachable in familiar.
• 58:02
  That's something that is especially when you have a
• 58:05
  system that stays the same throughout the expansion that
• 58:08
  allows it to be approachable and familiar.
• 58:10
  You're not having to learn about shards of domination, this tear
• 58:13
  and about the Catalyst of creation next year.
• 58:17
  And hey, are we still trying to put together whatever it was
• 58:21
  back in Castle natural. Yeah.
• 58:24
  It's like, no, no. You don't get those emblems
• 58:26
  anymore. You get your weapons out of the
• 58:28
  out of the raid and every tear it was it was changing making it
• 58:32
  approachable. And familiar means having a
• 58:35
  consistent way of doing things, lower tier stuff being one
• 58:40
  badge, higher tier stuff, being higher badge, not 20 different
• 58:45
  forms of so lash cinders, Soul floss, whatever.
• 58:51
  They want to put out. Good grief him and then the
• 58:58
  world being the main character. I think is something that we had
• 59:03
  a lot of in Mists of Pandaria as a last really big one, but just
• 59:09
  the creatures and the environment and that section of
• 59:13
  the world is so storied in Wrath of the Lich King.
• 59:17
  Because The Spire of ice and Sarah Knight that makes up
• 59:24
  icecrown. Citadel the ever-varying locales
• 59:29
  that works toward within the tight in Citadel of older war--,
• 59:37
  right? Those are all very historic
• 59:39
  things, the broken world tree, That we end one of the zones
• 59:45
  that I still think is one of the, my favorite zones to this
• 59:48
  day, Grizzly Hills, that's all Wrath of the Lich King.
• 59:53
  So, hopefully, that sort of thing is being thought of again,
• 59:59
  because classic has definitely influenced shadowlands, be
• 1:00:05
  seized come and gone. And now we're moving in the
• 1:00:07
  Wrath of the Lich King, and that was in development.
• 1:00:10
  Same time as the other beta that we talked about earlier this
• 1:00:12
  week. Which was shadowlands as I'd
• 1:00:16
  rather not shadowlands, dragonflight.
• 1:00:18
  And so if those two can Be in development.
• 1:00:23
  Same time. Have they have those
• 1:00:24
  conversations? They're remembering these things
• 1:00:27
  into dragonflight, I'm super happy for it.
• 1:00:30
  I want to see what kind of changes how these changes pan
• 1:00:34
  out as we get deeper into this beta.
• 1:00:36
  Which today, we now can get to the level cap of 80.
• 1:00:41
  That is something that came out today.
• 1:00:43
  And yeah, I'm gonna try and play the thing is that, you know
• 1:00:48
  what, I'm going to have to play a death knight because I have no
• 1:00:51
  classic. Then they don't have templates
• 1:00:53
  yet. So I'm going to do a death
• 1:00:54
  knight and have to run it through BC to get into Rath.
• 1:01:00
  Could they just give me the like maybe they like do they have
• 1:01:03
  templates? I honestly I meant by playing
• 1:01:05
  this weekend. I think there are level 70
• 1:01:08
  templates, I think there are. So you may be in luck there,
• 1:01:12
  they're not, but I will doing that.
• 1:01:14
  I know that there was talk about templates in in the forums and
• 1:01:19
  stuff. So that's, that's something that
• 1:01:21
  I would, I would I definitely think that they would be doing.
• 1:01:26
  But again, I came home, notice that I was in the beta and, you
• 1:01:31
  know, hey, well, jump in there, get a chance.
• 1:01:33
  I'd be fine with 68 template, 68, damn plate.
• 1:01:36
  That means I can go into howling Forge, that means I can go into
• 1:01:39
  the borean tundra and just start leveling and that's all I'm
• 1:01:42
  looking for. Hopefully when I come back from
• 1:01:45
  vacation we can do a little play, maybe see what you're up
• 1:01:50
  to and we can level up together. But with that said, we've been
• 1:01:55
  talking a little bit About dragonflight and what influences
• 1:01:58
  might have and this week, the dragonflight alpha build was
• 1:02:05
  detected on the central distribution Network the CDN.
• 1:02:09
  If anybody wants to know what they're talking about with CDN,
• 1:02:11
  That's essential distribution Network and right now it's
• 1:02:15
  flagged for blizzard affiliate, so internal testing, but it is
• 1:02:22
  there. It cannot be data mind you can't
• 1:02:24
  see content from it. But it's a matter of time until
• 1:02:30
  we start getting a larger Alpha and the floodgates open up and
• 1:02:34
  we really start getting into the office.
• 1:02:36
  So I am really hyped for this live.
• 1:02:39
  You got any guests on when we will see this?
• 1:02:46
  Don't I think I think we're still okay, so obviously, okay,
• 1:02:52
  where we got to make this out. Obviously they have to get
• 1:02:56
  Expansion at the door by the end of the year by December, 31st
• 1:03:00
  2020. That's when Dragon flight has to
• 1:03:02
  be released on or by I think that a healthy beta cycle for
• 1:03:12
  Modern World of Warcraft lasts, at least four months at a bare
• 1:03:20
  minimum, the beta cycle lasts for months.
• 1:03:26
  So if we're looking at getting this by the end of the year, by
• 1:03:31
  December 31st, which it's not going to be December 31st.
• 1:03:34
  I think we talked about it last episode.
• 1:03:35
  It's like, December 27th. I think that Tuesday is the
• 1:03:39
  Tuesday before the end of the year, so if we're to get it by
• 1:03:45
  then, In that 26th to 28th window worldwide, we are going
• 1:03:54
  to have that also have pre patch.
• 1:03:56
  So that's going to be at least. I would I would say probably
• 1:04:01
  where they would be the most comfortable with.
• 1:04:03
  It would be about two, maybe three weeks if pre patch before,
• 1:04:08
  actually getting it out the door.
• 1:04:10
  So we're looking at, like, by Thanksgiving.
• 1:04:14
  To get the pre patch to us. So, end of November, so, I think
• 1:04:23
  the latest that they can get the beta out, but not Alpha, which
• 1:04:31
  is what we immediately, headed. Quickly, cut the math for you
• 1:04:35
  here. Yeah, you're saying November,
• 1:04:38
  right? Let's count people of November
• 1:04:41
  and say that you're at the 11th month, you subtract the for you.
• 1:04:45
  Go to seven year at July and July is your beta which means
• 1:04:49
  that you're looking at three weeks four weeks of alpha if
• 1:04:54
  they release it literally next week.
• 1:04:57
  Yeah. And I think it's going to be 6.
• 1:05:00
  Not and that right? Is July.
• 1:05:06
  And if they released an alpha in July, they're eating into your
• 1:05:10
  beta time. Now, like I think I think your
• 1:05:13
  premise is faulty photo. Same reasons that we said last
• 1:05:16
  week, it ain't happening end of this year.
• 1:05:20
  Yeah. Yeah, like that.
• 1:05:23
  Like, mathematically, it's stupid tight on how fast they're
• 1:05:30
  moving with this and how fast they'll have to move with the
• 1:05:33
  beta test. Like this, the alpha would need
• 1:05:37
  to be relatively close to how this thing's going to look like,
• 1:05:42
  when it launches, and we only have two talent trees.
• 1:05:47
  Like me and I'm terrified. Okay.
• 1:05:52
  So, Just to put it Forward, right?
• 1:05:57
  The beta has to be feature complete, which means
• 1:06:00
  everything's available the entire leveling experience.
• 1:06:03
  All of the features including the talent trees for all of the
• 1:06:07
  classes, all of the classes and races that they're going to put
• 1:06:10
  in there, right? And what we would be doing a 10
• 1:06:14
  game. I honestly suspect an alpha is
• 1:06:19
  going to take something like five.
• 1:06:21
  Like I want to say, six weeks, I want to say six or more weeks is
• 1:06:26
  tight because six weeks means that every week the releasing a
• 1:06:31
  new zone for zones is for weeks, right?
• 1:06:35
  And on the fifth week, They're doing any.
• 1:06:41
  They're doing endgame stuff. And a six-week could be them
• 1:06:48
  testing them, testing just make sure everything stable before
• 1:06:52
  saying beta. So let's say right that's like
• 1:06:56
  super tight that means they did. They literally do not have a
• 1:06:59
  week where they cannot be releasing a major thing to test.
• 1:07:04
  Right? Yeah.
• 1:07:04
  And that's assuming zones there. There are is the for leveling
• 1:07:08
  zones plus the starting zone for the volcker / Drac Drac fear,
• 1:07:13
  right? There's endgame content.
• 1:07:15
  I met, six weeks, every week, something needs to be hitting.
• 1:07:20
  Yeah, we're going up on on certain weeks.
• 1:07:24
  Yeah, that's assuming that nothing is in a broken state
• 1:07:29
  that they can't put it out to test.
• 1:07:32
  So, you know, forbid, anything going wrong with with the alpha,
• 1:07:38
  which could set the team back weeks.
• 1:07:42
  If something comes out that they aren't at a place where they can
• 1:07:47
  put it out for testing, because they do have to get all that
• 1:07:49
  stuff tested before they can get into the Beta.
• 1:07:53
  But I guess they don't technically have to but like it
• 1:07:55
  would be a really good idea for them to do that.
• 1:07:59
  I have I work in, I have Worked in project management.
• 1:08:03
  Right now, I'm just an account managers or that you don't do
• 1:08:05
  the project management, but I have worked in project
• 1:08:07
  management. And the number one thing that
• 1:08:09
  screws people over is not leaving enough time.
• 1:08:12
  For testing happens all the time.
• 1:08:14
  You're like, hey, we can get this website out and it's like,
• 1:08:17
  oh you should leave a month for testing.
• 1:08:19
  And then you say, oh it's going to be ready by by the end of the
• 1:08:23
  month and suddenly you need that month for testing.
• 1:08:26
  You, you cut it out because you're like that should have
• 1:08:28
  been fine. These are things that costly
• 1:08:30
  happen. Now.
• 1:08:35
  What blizzard is doing is they're making some strides to
• 1:08:38
  make sure that they do have the Manpower and that's our next
• 1:08:42
  piece of news. Prolia.
• 1:08:45
  Sorry proletariat Studios has been acquired by blizzard and
• 1:08:51
  that it news was actually put out yesterday.
• 1:08:56
  That is a team of 100. Designers that are going to be
• 1:09:01
  moved directly to the World of Warcraft team.
• 1:09:05
  No other team is getting them. They're not being put to work on
• 1:09:07
  like Warcraft, Arcane, ArcLight, rumble, or any of those games
• 1:09:13
  into in the incubator, like, the unnamed Survival game.
• 1:09:17
  No, they're going straight to work on World of Warcraft and
• 1:09:21
  they're being put to dragonflight now these are
• 1:09:25
  conversations that actually work.
• 1:09:28
  Started up in December of last year, December 20, 21.
• 1:09:32
  And John height went on record saying that hey, we know that
• 1:09:39
  there was struggles to actually put forward content for, for
• 1:09:44
  shadowlands stating the obvious there.
• 1:09:47
  And there were sizable gaps between the content updates.
• 1:09:51
  So they also recognize that it has been hard hiring.
• 1:09:58
  Ali with blizzards weakened reputation.
• 1:10:04
  And we were talking about this in the Discord and it's like the
• 1:10:08
  this article was basically addressing all the points.
• 1:10:11
  I said, because every week it's my last day at blizzard, I'm
• 1:10:15
  taking my photo in front of the statue.
• 1:10:17
  I'm not going to put a put any of those words around the statue
• 1:10:20
  there because right. Mmm, people leaving their
• 1:10:24
  hemorrhaging Talent. There has been Headhunters and
• 1:10:29
  stuff who have reached out to people who have been very
• 1:10:31
  critical of Blizzard saying, could you tone it down, you're
• 1:10:34
  making it very hard for me to find people.
• 1:10:37
  There have been positions that have been open for almost a year
• 1:10:42
  for a company that used to have to turn people away left, right
• 1:10:46
  and Center because they were going there. and so in order to
• 1:10:54
  quickly bring in talented people, They are requiring this
• 1:11:01
  studio and setting them to work on World of Warcraft.
• 1:11:04
  Now that was something that that isn't in the notes that live.
• 1:11:09
  And I were talking about before we started started recording
• 1:11:14
  where we were saying We had heard reports.
• 1:11:18
  And again, this is on confirmed that these guys had actually
• 1:11:21
  started working or ready, as early as last month in May.
• 1:11:26
  Again, I don't recall exactly reading that anywhere.
• 1:11:29
  So it's an unsubstantiated thing.
• 1:11:31
  But it is clear that they want to make sure that they are
• 1:11:36
  hitting the ground running, and if they can get these hundred
• 1:11:39
  people going. Remember that onboarding is a
• 1:11:44
  slow process. It's not only Having somebody
• 1:11:48
  start and them not being familiar with it but having
• 1:11:50
  somebody mentor and guide those people so that they do it.
• 1:11:53
  Not only well but in the way that you as a company wanted to
• 1:12:00
  be done, blizzard has a particular way that they do
• 1:12:03
  things just like any company. And that's, especially important
• 1:12:07
  when you're bringing in 100 new faces, and these 100 new faces
• 1:12:11
  have all worked together, doing things their way.
• 1:12:14
  So it's going to be a process to onboard.
• 1:12:18
  Yeah, yeah. And that like, we know we know
• 1:12:23
  from from the article that the the work that they're putting
• 1:12:26
  forth will be seen as early as dragonfly.
• 1:12:31
  I don't know. It's impossible to say like
• 1:12:34
  we'll have to look and see what the credits are on on the actual
• 1:12:39
  expansion, once we get there. And if we see any of these these
• 1:12:43
  names like cross-referencing because this studio, Area
• 1:12:47
  Studios. The, the studio that made was
• 1:12:50
  spell break, I think is the name of the, they're like, major
• 1:12:53
  title that was released from the studio.
• 1:12:56
  All of the, the developers, it proletariat worked on.
• 1:13:00
  It is as far as I, as far as I know, but That is a very
• 1:13:08
  different game from World of Warcraft.
• 1:13:11
  They have worked on one game and even still some of the, like,
• 1:13:17
  some of those disciplines do cross over.
• 1:13:21
  If you have people who are doing modeling, you have people who
• 1:13:24
  are doing rigging, you have people who are doing
• 1:13:26
  environmental design, your people who are doing Graphics
• 1:13:29
  effects and just because The game plays a different way
• 1:13:34
  doesn't mean that all of those different.
• 1:13:40
  Those different disciplines do not apply over the game, right?
• 1:13:47
  It's sure that a game that works differently might have been on a
• 1:13:53
  different system plays in a completely different.
• 1:13:55
  Genre, they're not going to be doing balancing the same way,
• 1:13:58
  but at least they know, How to create a character to balance,
• 1:14:04
  how to create a fireball if they're doing a volkers, right?
• 1:14:09
  How to create a dungeon to run through and they're just working
• 1:14:14
  with the wow, team and becoming part of the wow, team to do it
• 1:14:18
  as the, wow, team would. So it's not the same as 0, we
• 1:14:21
  have to teach you how to make an RPG.
• 1:14:23
  No. You're just yeah.
• 1:14:25
  Teaching them how to do the lighting, the Wow.
• 1:14:27
  Way to make it look like everything.
• 1:14:29
  Assistant Lee in. Wow, yeah.
• 1:14:32
  And and this is like, it's good news.
• 1:14:35
  It's good news that they're bringing on 100 developers on to
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  the wow team. But there are there are you know
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  some things that also need to be considered because anytime you
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  have a company come in like this where you're just wholesale
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  bringing one team into another and folding together.
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  There are inherently going to be Overlaps in in what one person
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  is able to do with the the abilities and capabilities of
• 1:15:05
  another person that exists. So I I don't want to be Debbie
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  Downer necessarily especially since this is, you know, this is
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  good news there. There is a little bit of of
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  worried that there is going to be a little bit of downsizing in
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  the wake of this addition to the team because they're like I
• 1:15:30
  said, there are just going to be redundancies, but there's going
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  to be multiple people that are basically trained in the same
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  disciplines that. At the better person in the eyes
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  of Blizzard is gonna get the position over the other.
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  So, can I sure? Can I be more negative than you?
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  Absolutely. All right, there isn't going to
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  be any redundancies, nobody's going to get canned for Simply
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  Having the same discipline of somebody else Blizzard's
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  hemorrhaging. If there's a redundancy, now,
• 1:16:06
  three months later, there may not be, if there's remains of
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  redundancy, there's other teams that can use these qualified
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  people, they can shift them around as they need to.
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  They need these people 100 people.
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  They need these people. They're not after 94 people or
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  50 of the hundred people to then cut a to cut down.
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  If they did that, they would just bought up a smaller studio
• 1:16:30
  and save themselves the time as well as all of the Money that's
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  going to cost them for letting people go in quote, unquote
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  downsizing as well as the morale of downsizing right after you
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  brought a people, when you're ready hemorrhaging it is suicide
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  to downsize. These people they're going to
• 1:16:48
  lose a lot of these people. Anyways in the this is not the
• 1:16:52
  company I signed up for or the people at blizzard who are
• 1:16:57
  already leaving and giving their notices anyways.
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  They made these talks in December and they've only been
• 1:17:02
  losing more people. Since like, you think that they
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  have the wiggle room to downsize is incredibly generous and the
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  update of the estate. It's, I ain't missed it returned
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  but like I love and I'm literally quoting a blizzard
• 1:17:21
  staff, member who said their former blizzard staff member to
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  set this. I love blizzard games, I love
• 1:17:27
  the people at blizzard. Currently I hate the company.
• 1:17:33
  Right there, making this buyout, and this absorbing less than a
• 1:17:40
  year away from them themselves, being absorbed into.
• 1:17:44
  Microsoft, the future of these guys.
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  Shifted again. Sorry shifted and will shift
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  again. And if you worry about
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  redundancies and such now wait until Microsoft comes in And
• 1:18:00
  they start, merging non-development places that
• 1:18:04
  Activision already took. Right?
• 1:18:06
  Developers are the last ones are going to going to go after.
• 1:18:10
  Yeah, because they they want to put out more stuff.
• 1:18:13
  Hopefully. Microsoft is the benevolent
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  savior that people want to hope that it is.
• 1:18:23
  I'm I'm more hoping for the people at blizzard to make the
• 1:18:27
  changes that they need in their environment.
• 1:18:29
  But regardless It seems like a the right company to go for in
• 1:18:34
  terms of what companies can say on their thing.
• 1:18:37
  They, they are a studio that says that they are about the
• 1:18:40
  audience first or about Innovation there about quality.
• 1:18:43
  They're about loving what we do, which is very reminiscent of
• 1:18:47
  what blizzard has said that they strive for Of course, these are
• 1:18:52
  words and what will come forward?
• 1:18:55
  Is proof in the pudding. But that's part of it too.
• 1:18:59
  Because, in the talks, they said, yeah, blizzard has a
• 1:19:03
  damaged reputation and they need to fix that.
• 1:19:07
  And the company proletariat could have resisted more and
• 1:19:13
  they had those conversations. I said, okay, you're trying to
• 1:19:17
  do more All right, but I can hope that add a studio level
• 1:19:25
  blizzard. Is doing more for their staff.
• 1:19:31
  And that this influx of people who maybe adhere to the values
• 1:19:37
  on their webpage, more will be a positive influence.
• 1:19:42
  Yeah. But at this point, I, I will
• 1:19:47
  wait and see based on what is done because you can put a
• 1:19:53
  non-binding clause that you're going to actually put forward,
• 1:19:57
  the real incidents that are happening in your company and
• 1:20:01
  then you can put Bobby kotick in For another year.
• 1:20:09
  And I'm going to wait and see if we actually see those reports
• 1:20:15
  come out to the shareholders. Yeah, at this point.
• 1:20:19
  Yeah, hopefully this helps hopefully, they're good people.
• 1:20:24
  Hopefully, we see these things and thus, yes, John height says,
• 1:20:29
  okay, you're going to see this in dragon fight, but he didn't
• 1:20:33
  say at dragonflight launch, you didn't say, 10.0 or ten point
• 1:20:37
  0.5, they'll be up and running. He just said within dragon fight
• 1:20:41
  which as a expansions go, is anywhere within the next two and
• 1:20:45
  a half years because we've got half a year before it launches.
• 1:20:48
  And then another two years after that right.
• 1:20:51
  Insurer. Yeah, that'll definitely happen.
• 1:20:53
  I have no doubt. About that.
• 1:20:55
  How much we see early enough for it to matter.
• 1:20:59
  That's what I want to know. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:02
  I think the, The Testament to their ability to come in and get
• 1:21:09
  business taken care of, is gonna be how they're being brought on
• 1:21:15
  improves or doesn't improve or negatively.
• 1:21:19
  Impacts the the level of Just the level of cadence that we've
• 1:21:30
  known about in in, you know, blizzards history.
• 1:21:34
  Like we look at Legion and the content Cadence.
• 1:21:37
  They were able to hit during that expansion and kind of
• 1:21:42
  everything since then has been directly looked back.
• 1:21:46
  And compared to say, why can't you do that again, that was
• 1:21:51
  fantastic. Can we go back to that, please?
• 1:21:54
  So I think This is going to be another expansion where we're
• 1:21:58
  looking at the the Cadence of content and are going to be
• 1:22:03
  judging it. You know, not only in in the
• 1:22:08
  wake of Legion but also in the wake of shadowlands where we did
• 1:22:13
  have large quantities of time where we weren't getting
• 1:22:17
  anything and will continue to that, get anything until this
• 1:22:22
  Alpha comes out. So hopefully, hopefully will be
• 1:22:24
  in an alpha soon. Soon.
• 1:22:26
  And hopefully, the addition of these 100 developers roughly 100
• 1:22:31
  developers will Decrease the time that it takes for them to
• 1:22:36
  get these these content patches out to to the player base
• 1:22:39
  because I think that that is desperately needed.
• 1:22:44
  Okay, I think that's a great thought to end on.
• 1:22:50
  Um that said we did have two questions but I feel like we
• 1:22:55
  kind of already asked the answered them in our earlier
• 1:22:58
  conversation just through way of our conversation epidemia had
• 1:23:02
  asked as blizzard has told us about and shown us at ease of
• 1:23:07
  the revamped. You I coming with dragonflight
• 1:23:10
  would you like to see the same wrath as right?
• 1:23:12
  Same revamp and For the Lich King Classic.
• 1:23:16
  And in that yeah I think you and I are on the polar opposite of
• 1:23:21
  that where you think that the sort of modernizations and stuff
• 1:23:25
  should be in our classic and that and I guess I'm falling
• 1:23:28
  more towards the be no changes thing.
• 1:23:30
  Pure sort of play where it's like if I want to play classic,
• 1:23:33
  I want to play it as it was original and with that sort of
• 1:23:37
  stuff, and there is cost to there is costs to the
• 1:23:43
  modernization or conveniences that are through.
• 1:23:46
  Obviously UI stuff is something that you said people will just
• 1:23:52
  grab their mods and grab their week orders and shimmy it in.
• 1:23:56
  So why not offer it? I don't know, I think, I think
• 1:24:03
  that the purest will be there and whether it's an option or
• 1:24:08
  not, if blizzard puts it in, as an option, sure.
• 1:24:12
  But typically, they don't retroactively put in old school
• 1:24:15
  things, once they've modernized it, they're like, yeah, here you
• 1:24:18
  go. This is how it's supposed to be
• 1:24:20
  well, and, and I'm, you know, for the sake of clarifying,
• 1:24:25
  where my stances I hundred thousand percent with them to
• 1:24:29
  put in the modern auction house, and to Classic.
• 1:24:32
  Yeah, yeah. Here definitely.
• 1:24:34
  Definitely wanting all your modern Comforts with your no
• 1:24:38
  suck. It's not all the modern Comforts
• 1:24:41
  that I want. It is, it is just a polishing of
• 1:24:46
  how, how the game operates at a base level, which I think there
• 1:24:52
  could be some amount of it brought in.
• 1:24:54
  I don't, I don't think that I would go.
• 1:24:56
  As far as to say that I want every last bit of the UI that's
• 1:25:01
  coming revamped. I think, we don't know what
• 1:25:04
  every last. If it is like that smoke, but
• 1:25:07
  like, okay, what from the modern auction house, would you not
• 1:25:10
  want in put back and retroactively?
• 1:25:15
  I don't know, I don't know the answer that question, right?
• 1:25:19
  It's a hard thing to say. It's an easy thing to say, not
• 1:25:24
  all of the modernizations. It's a harder thing to be like,
• 1:25:27
  oh, what is the monetization that you would leave on the
• 1:25:30
  table? And I think that's kind of the
• 1:25:33
  thing to put forward. But again, that's a, that's a
• 1:25:38
  question for another day because we literally do not know what
• 1:25:41
  the dragonflight modernization. Entails or we can't tell you
• 1:25:46
  what we would leave out. Yeah.
• 1:25:50
  But that's going to do it for us today.
• 1:25:53
  I hope you guys enjoy your candidate.
• 1:25:56
  If you are in Canada, your Independence Day, happy July
• 1:26:00
  4th, for all of you guys, celebrating South of the Border
• 1:26:04
  in the US. And yes, we will see you next
• 1:26:09
  week, unless something amazing happens, maybe we'll actually
• 1:26:12
  get an alpha, which point you will hear from live and some
• 1:26:16
  special guest star. But of course, If that doesn't
• 1:26:20
  happen live, where can people find you around the internet?
• 1:26:23
  You can find me on Twitter. Zat, Adventure live.
• 1:26:28
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• 1:26:33
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• 1:26:39
  We actually this week added in a special Channel.
• 1:26:43
  Just explicitly for classic conversations just to keep it.
• 1:26:47
  Keep it a little bit separated from for me.
• 1:26:50
  Well, so, you know, if you want to jump in the conversation
• 1:26:52
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• 1:27:09
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• 1:27:13
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• 1:27:15
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• 1:27:19
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• 1:27:25
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• 1:27:28
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• 1:27:31
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