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EDP27: The Clubhouse Launch / Lausanne & Brussels DL / National XC / Antrim Coast half / Tooting BMC · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 28.
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  I'm joined as usual by my 2 Co hosts.
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  Firstly, I shall bring in the Irishman, Owen Smith.
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  How are you? I'm great, had a relatively easy
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  week in terms of running but yeah, feeling good.
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  How are you? Yeah, good.
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  Thank you. Well, apart from the Nosebleed
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  that's just come on in the past few minutes.
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  The Pressure being the host of one of the biggest running
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  podcasts in the world. Something like that.
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  Umm, Sunday long run already done Or, uh.
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  I wouldn't call it a long run. It was just I'm sort of winding
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  down now I can just I'm due a break like I'm just tired.
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  Even Saturday session, I'll go into it now in the training
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  week, but just felt tired and so I only had 60 minutes with like
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  a 15 minute pickup at the end. Umm So like, I'm racing this
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  coming Friday and then I'm having a break.
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  So yeah, just get me to Friday, really.
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  A nice day's done then for you. Sit back.
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  Premier League on the TV now you're saying?
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  Yeah, but I'm that garage renovation is happening, so I'm
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  sort of have to prep for winter here because I know you got to
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  treadmill in that as soon as possible.
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  And so between how to order another skip because there's not
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  much shit like when your father's a farmer and you've got
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  like so many siblings just you made a shit that builds up in
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  like spaces. So this is our second skip and
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  so, yeah, hopefully we have to paint the floors and all that
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  sort of stuff. So, and I'm the driving force
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  behind that. My other brother who's 23, my
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  younger sister who's 21 are totally useless.
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  They if work was in the bed, they'd sleep on the floor like.
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  And then my other younger brother who's 16, he's actually
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  a good worker. So it's literally me and him,
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  but he's full time fireman as well.
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  So it's basically just me. I've three jobs.
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  I've amateur runner freaking IT in a software company in the
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  league and then freaking garage renovator.
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  And the podcast Co host. Oh, podcast.
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  Yeah, OK, I forgot. I'm sure Dean's been itching to
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  comment there in the background, but I haven't actually
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  introduced him. So welcome, Dean, how are you?
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  Good. Thanks mate.
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  No, yeah, biting my tongue over here, but no.
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  Yeah, enjoyed all that. How are you both?
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  Very well just been hanging on for your day of activities to
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  playoffs. Surprise, you're not half tipsy
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  joining the episode I've. Had a, I've had a couple.
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  So yeah, that's right, double struggle, if I get something
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  half decent from me as far as double trouble goes, but we'll
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  see. I doubt it.
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  But no, I had a good afternoon. So I appreciate you guys holding
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  holding out for me. Now good to have, so just to lay
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  out a bit of the structure. Then tonight we've got 2 lots of
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  Diamond League results to go through in Lausanne and
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  Brussels, Australian National Cross Country Championships, the
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  Tooting meet in the UK, the last call for Tokyo.
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  They titled that one and a half marathon in Northern Ireland,
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  the Antrim Half Coast half marathon.
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  We'll go to training weeks with Dean and Owen.
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  We've got some more news. We're going to preview Sydney,
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  which is coming up next weekend. Connor Mantz has been talking
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  about his favorite race day shoe, which is interesting.
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  New York have released their elite fields and we'll see how
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  far down the line we get for YouTube Diaries and Double
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  Trouble. But before we start the podcast
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  properly, we have a major exciting announcement, boys.
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  I'm sure you will have just seen on Instagram just prior to us
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  commencing the recording. We've gone live with the Easy
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  Double Clubhouse. Now, this is something that I've
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  kind of teased a while and we've mentioned that a few times here
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  and there on the recordings, but perhaps I haven't gone into it
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  too much in terms of what it is, why I think it's a good idea,
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  and what it means for you guys. So let me just try and explain
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  some of that for you. So think of it as a bit of a
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  private community space and a backstage pass to the Easy
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  Double Podcast. It's going to work like a big
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  group chat for the Easy Double listeners, but way more
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  organized. And inside, you can chat about
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  the latest Diamond League results, compare shoe rotations
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  and see who else might be lining up at your next race, or just
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  laugh about how badly your last double threshold went.
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  We'll use the Clubhouse to communicate announcements about
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  the pod, like the next big guest interview, so you'll hear about
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  things before anyone else and listen to questions, hopefully
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  including for guests will come solely from within the
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  Clubhouse. And why are we doing this?
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  Well, the podcast has been building nicely and we're
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  definitely heading in the right direction, but we still feel
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  like there's something missing. A weekly episode is great, but
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  it's one way the Clubhouse is where we can all connect.
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  Hear your thoughts on the latest YouTube Diaries or Double
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  Trouble and we'll bring it all back to the pod.
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  For us, it's like going through all the results whilst recording
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  on a Sunday, and for you just listening to a speak about them
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  on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, whenever you might listen.
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  Now that's great, but this is somewhere where we can all speak
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  about the results as it happens and that's even better.
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  So hopefully by now you might be thinking, yeah, this sounds
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  good, but go on then. How much is it going to cost me?
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  I'm already paying for three patrons and four streaming
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  services. Well, this is the best part for
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  now, it's completely free to join.
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  So initially we're going to cover the cost because we don't
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  want to force it upon anyone until we know that it genuinely
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  adds value and serves a purpose. Consider it like a soft launch,
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  if it takes off, we'll keep building on it and layer in more
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  packs so that if we have a transition to a paid model, it's
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  already tried and tested and the whole package is genuinely
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  valuable. If it doesn't work, then we gave
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  it a good go and we'll just stick to podcast and instead
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  assure that whilst it is completely free, if you've
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  enjoyed all the content that we've put out so far for free
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  and like the idea of the Clubhouse, some would like to
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  help us out. Then we've also set up an option
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  to join as a Clubhouse supporter which comes with all the same
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  benefits and inclusions. But that's just your way of
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  helping us out and saying thanks.
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  So what are you waiting for? The links in the bio on
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  Instagram, There's a bit of a post up there to explain how it
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  works and kind of just repeat some of the stuff I've said.
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  And congratulations if you're an early listener because you'll be
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  one of the first to get in there.
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  And also conscious guys, that this is only going to work if
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  you're involved too. And that's not to say that
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  there's any pressure to be contributing and sending
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  messages all day and night. You can feel free to just sit
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  back and take it all in. But yeah, I think you can get
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  the sense that how this can be like a good community for us
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  all. So fellas, what do you think
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  about that? Are we excited?
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  I'm absolutely buzzing. I've sort of no, like it is a
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  great idea because I feel like I'm always interested in what
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  other people are doing. So I've got my own little thing.
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  So like even if I try in like, like what supplements, for
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  example, are people taking? Like I must just take a little
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  thing from someone else, add it to my routine and it could
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  benefit me greatly. So yeah, you learn off other
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  people. So I think it's great.
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  Just safe space to to have ping off each other.
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  And yeah, it's a great community.
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  Yeah. I think I'm sort of, I feel like
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  we're sort of making this up as we go in terms of what we, we
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  talk about and what we enjoy talking about.
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  And the whole idea was of setting this up was that we
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  enjoyed sort of talking about this stuff with each other.
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  And we sort of had that like a WhatsApp chat, which we talk
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  about some of the ideas we might like to talk about.
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  But as an extension of that, like, you know, given that
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  there's a few people that enjoy listening to what we talk about,
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  it'd be nice to know what they would like to hear from us.
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  And like you say, what we can learn from other people.
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  Like I've had a few people message me directly just sort of
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  giving me feedback on some of the things that I've said in
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  terms of maybe to further my understanding of things.
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  And so like you say, to the extent we've got all these
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  threads and people are sharing ideas, it's only going to help
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  us and therefore help everyone talk about some of this stuff.
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  Like, yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
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  I sort of feel like people are already engaging so it should be
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  a bit of fun. Yeah, I think I wouldn't.
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  Might have kindly put a photo of my nose bleed in there whilst
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  we're recording. So it's off to a flyer.
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  Well, yeah, I think where where the idea came from for me was
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  like in the past, like thankfully now we've got this
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  good relationship going and we we always catch up and talk
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  about running this way. But in the past, maybe if you
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  don't have that and you're like you kind of following what's
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  going on in the athletic world and you see in these news
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  stories, but you don't really have anyone to go to to speak
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  about it. It's just a nice way to kind of
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  bring everyone together and everyone's got that shared
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  interest. It's not like you're you're
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  posting something on your Instagram and you know that like
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  90 that people couldn't care less about it.
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  Like everyone's invested in the same thing here.
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  Yeah. No, thanks.
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  And thanks very much to you, Ryan, for sort of getting this
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  off the ground. And yeah, thanks for all your
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  effort. Oh yeah, well, I'm not.
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  If you do have any technical difficulties, we haven't been
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  using any any qualified app or website builders.
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  It's all been done in house. So yeah, please messages if you
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  come across any sticking points. Right, then let's kick it off.
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  We've got some results to go through, starting with the
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  Lausanne Diamond League, which was the first of two Diamond
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  League rounds this week, held on Wednesday night, I think it was
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  in Switzerland. So the 800 meters for the women.
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  Keely Hodgkinson backed up and ran a 155.69 to win and the
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  Swiss athlete, the home athlete Audrey Ware out was second in
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  one 5734 and Georgia Hunter Bell, Keely's teammates who
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  we've kind of built a bit of a story around this year, was
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  third in a 15755. Notable others in the results
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  was Claudia Hollingsworth, the recent new record holder of
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  Australia, was 7th in 15881. So comments here guys, Keely
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  just confirming that she's definitely back running 155
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  again. Oh no, she was 154 prior, wasn't
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  she? But like, the conditions here
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  were horrendous. And yeah, interesting from
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  Georgia. Hunter Bella.
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  Like she is by far the best 100m runner, ladies runner, so if she
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  doesn't win she'll have to show on it.
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  It's like her own fault. It's pretty pretty bizarre.
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  Like I feel like what 3 weeks ago it felt like the 800 meters
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  was women's 800 was pretty open. Like it was there was a, well,
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  there's a cut. Like there's a couple of strong
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  women, let's say a few years ago that is, I think Moe and then
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  Kelly Hodgkinson and then who else was there was a few sort of
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  like it was like really strong at the pointy and running that
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  sort of like 155. But and then it felt like it was
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  maybe opening it up, maybe a bit more open perhaps.
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  And now it feels like it's like that.
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  Gold medals maybe. Like you wouldn't bet against
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  her at the minute, would you? There wouldn't be, no one would
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  be lying. Any odds?
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  Actually, YouTube Diaries early. She's set up a YouTube channel
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  and she's posted her first video.
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  Was there something about some shoes?
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  Was that? Was that the teaser?
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  Like a shoe box hit her in the head or something?
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  Was that? I'm not too sure, I just I
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  watched. It on Instagram, maybe it's.
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  It's sort of like different to all the other running YouTube
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  channels. I don't know how it's just, it's
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  like a real vlog sort of one. But um, no, it's cool.
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  Like she has got like I think it was before one of our track
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  sessions, her coach like it was our first speed session after
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  her injury and then shafted in the warm up and she was like
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  really afraid of like doing her hamstring again or whatever
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  injury. And he was like, look, if you're
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  not sure, just go in and see the physio.
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  So before all our big sessions sessions, she goes in to get the
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  run over from the physio to make sure like, yeah, she can do
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  this. Her legs are in good neck.
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  So yeah, she's like a physio on spot to check her before the
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  session and after the session, which is, which is just like
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  another level altogether really. That is mental, isn't it?
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  I I added this into news further down, but it fits very well
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  here. So like, thanks for bringing it
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  in. But I mean, I guess not every
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  athlete can have that kind of setup, can they?
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  Because it's they're probably paying her, the physio a full
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  time salary over the year. But like Keely's like a global
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  star now. So she's probably not sure of a
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  few quid to pay for that sort of resource.
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  And I know like kind of Josh Kerr has done similar things and
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  like investing in a chef and all that.
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  And it definitely makes a big difference because you're
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  thinking about that. She literally gets a full MOT
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  before and after every sessions. She.
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  Yeah, it's crazy. And like there's actually
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  another bit in the YouTube where she's like she's in like a real
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  like a Porsche or something. And like it's in like at night
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  time and they're just driving like really, really fast down
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  the road. And your man's like showing her
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  like how fast it will go. It's like it's just a different
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  YouTube running YouTube where like it's just totally different
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  to any other YouTube diary YouTube that I watch and all
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  that sort of stuff. So it's definitely, definitely
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  worth worth a look. Then if you've had this one,
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  Owen. But did you know I've seen her
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  in the airport once? No.
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  Well, to be fair, there's not much more to it than that.
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  This was must have been the summer when she won silver in
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  21. And I've just been to Crete with
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  Becky and a couple of other couples and we're in the airport
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  on the way home. And I'd seen on Instagram that
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  she was holiday and increase as well.
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  And obviously wondered about, oh, like, you know, you just
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  keep your eyes open like when you're in a restaurant and
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  stuff, as if like creates a tiny place and then lo and behold,
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  there she is checking in in the airport as well.
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  But didn't quite have the confidence or anything.
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  I was a little bit starstruck, I think.
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  If it was today's Ryan, she'd be on the podcast right now.
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  Yeah, I missed that boat, didn't I?
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  Was she flying business? No, I think she was.
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  She was on like a girl's holiday type thing.
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  OK. Right.
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  Then next results from Lausanne was the men's 800 meters.
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  So this was one by Josh Howey, who if we think back to previous
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  weeks, missed out on the US team at the US trials.
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  I think he finished fourth or fifth, but yeah, he's won this
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  one in 142.82 from like a very deep field as well.
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  Emmanuel Wanyangi, who's been kind of like the star of the
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  show this year up until now, the Kenyan athletes, second in
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  14329. Third with this was a Spanish
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  guy, Muhammad Atui, 14338. And then for the rest of the
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  field, yeah, you've got Max Bergen, Marco ROP, Massalela,
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  who I think won a Diamond League early on, and Bryce Hoppel as
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  well. So big win for Harry.
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  Did you watch that race? It was like bucketing down and
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  they were doing that. It was pretty cool like so
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  Harley and the Goose are two of the athletes who haven't
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  qualified trying to get it like a wild card win of the Diamond
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  League final and therefore trying to get points and what
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  they both finished just outside of the auto qualifiers in the
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  trials and they've both gone in like 2 weeks.
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  Within two weeks, both gone and won the like these Diamond
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  League fields are ridiculous like that.
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  That 800 meters could be the like a World Championships
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  final, right? And I don't know.
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  He just judged that ridiculously well, like sat in around 3rd or
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  so and just threw everything at it in the last like 100 metres
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  in the straight. And I think a lot of the
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  comments after the race was it was a bit more like school, like
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  reminds you of like school cross country rather than track race.
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  Like it's not like perfectly manicured surface, really clean
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  fighting. Like I think it was a bit more
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  like physical and hard harsh conditions.
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  And yeah, I don't know, he looked very good.
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  So it's going to make the race. Is it next weekend?
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  I think in Switzerland the the final race is Zurich Diamond
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  League. So yeah.
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  So I think that they're going to be exciting to watch because
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  yeah, sort of chatting a bit, might have been chatting with
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  you offline, Ryan, just about how like normally the Diamond
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  League final comes along and you don't really get that excited
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  for. Whereas this is like I used to,
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  I think they used to put like all of these like gold bullions
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  when it used to be the Golden League and you used to like
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  people were racing for a share of it.
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  And the commentators were giving insiders to like who needed to
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  win or who, who was up for grabs if they won this race.
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  And it meant like a really material amount of money was
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  going their way if they won. So it was very exciting to
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  watch. Whereas in more recent times, it
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  just feels like another Diamond League.
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  It just feels like another competition.
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  And the real crescendo is the world champs.
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  Whereas this like having this before the world champs.
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  And I suspect there will be like we know of two sort of high
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  profile US men's middle distance athletes, but there might be
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  similar like like with East Africans and the middle
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  distances being so deep. But there's the potential that
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  there'll be some really good athletes trying to run their way
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  onto the world champs team. And you're, you're winning a
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  race like that three or four weeks out of the world champs,
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  you're probably a real medal chance, aren't you?
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  Yeah, I think it really helps in terms of like building the drama
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  and the excitement that world champs are literally two or
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  three weeks after this Diamond League final as well.
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  It's not like, Oh well, it's well doing.
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  You've qualified for something that's next year, like go and
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  reset and do your full training block.
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  It's actually like Bang Bang and you can follow it straight
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  through. So it's very exciting.
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  And yet, like you say, he ran this race differently to how he
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  like all year. He's kind of just hit the front,
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  hasn't he? And no one's been able to go
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  with him when he has been winning.
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  And it's almost like when a draw comparison to football, like if
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  you play rarely attacking football and you get found out
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  and you you lose, then the next week you go a bit more
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  conservatively and play an extra midfielder or an extra defender.
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  That's what how he's done here and sitting in the pack running
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  third all the way and then picking them off.
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  So fair play for changes tactics.
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  Then there was a men's 5000 meters which was worn by a
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  Belgian athlete, Isaac Camelli, 13 O 7.
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  Second was Grant Fisher, thirteen O 8 and 3rd.
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  I think that's a Mexican flag, Eduardo Eduardo Herrera, 13 O 9.
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  And then there's a bit of a blanket finish there for 4th,
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  5th and 6th. 2 Ethiopians, 2 Kenyan athletes.
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  Graham Blanks back in 8th. Jack Rayner down in 161331.
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  Not really his best run. Was you Thomas down to run in
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  this as well? He paced.
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  I think he paced it. Yeah, OK, but did they go with
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  the pace or did they? I think they might have slowed
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  down a bit, didn't they? Like it ended up going getting
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  quite tactical, I think, and then it was like a burn up at
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  the end. And Grant Fisher was I don't
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  know, he looked really good, like he was daylight like
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  between him and 3rd, but that Isaac Camelli sort of stole the
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  show, didn't he? Like it would have been Grant
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  Fisher would have been looked like a, you know, maybe favorite
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  for for goal for the OR one off. But then he, yeah, I don't know,
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  he just got absolutely burned up in a, in a Sprint towards the
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  line that Isaac Kameli, who I remember him in like European
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  Championships featuring, but I've not seen him in like a
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  World Championships featuring that high up.
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  So that was a bit of a surprise. Like I've not seen him beating
• 19:24
  The Ethiopians and like Gabriel Wet and those sorts of guys.
• 19:28
  So that was quite a quite a turn up I reckon.
• 19:31
  Yeah, It just goes to show, like, you can look at these
• 19:34
  star-studded fields and like your eyes are drawn to certain
• 19:36
  names, but then the guy like that just comes along and beats
• 19:39
  Grant Fisher and, like, a bit of a kick down 5K, you say?
• 19:43
  Maybe the wet weather? Yeah.
• 19:46
  Yeah, it felt like a kick down 5K, but yeah, it's still, you
• 19:50
  know, prior to current times is what would be a paste gun to
• 19:55
  tapes all the time. So interesting.
• 19:57
  I I genuinely don't know if if it means anything at all with
• 20:01
  Reyna finishing and 16th in the 1330 in terms of his
• 20:05
  qualification. I think he's all, I think he's
• 20:07
  all right to be fair. Yeah, I think he's already in,
• 20:09
  right? He's he's because he's run the
• 20:11
  standard. Yeah, another midweek meet was
• 20:14
  in the UK at Tooting Athletic Club, I think it's called.
• 20:20
  So they kind of threw this meat together with titling at the
• 20:23
  last call for Tokyo. So there was a 3000 meter
• 20:27
  steeplechase that was set up for the men for the guys chasing the
• 20:31
  standard there. So that was worn.
• 20:33
  Unfortunately they didn't I think the standard's 8 minutes
• 20:35
  15 and it was won in 820. So they all missed out on the
• 20:39
  standard. I haven't actually seen the race
• 20:41
  to see like where they on for 2K of it or how it how it kind of
• 20:45
  fell apart. But it was won by Phil Norman,
• 20:48
  who's a British athlete and he's kind of been there or there
• 20:51
  abouts in previous years as well.
• 20:53
  I think there was a bit of controversy maybe last year
• 20:56
  because he actually ran the Olympic time or he was in the
• 20:59
  quota, whichever way round it was, and they didn't choose to
• 21:02
  take him. So he's been hard done by again,
• 21:05
  getting so close to the standard and missing out.
• 21:08
  You'd feel like packing in if that was you.
• 21:10
  Like you just think it's not meant to be.
• 21:12
  Like I've done everything I can. I've even on paper qualified and
• 21:16
  they still won't take me in previous years.
• 21:18
  But fair play to him for still turning up.
• 21:21
  And there was two US athletes in second and third.
• 21:23
  Parker Stokes, Duncan Hamilton, Duncan Hamilton, not too sure
• 21:26
  who they are, but then there was Australian Ben Buckingham who we
• 21:30
  spoke about the week prior. Think he ran 815.15 and missed
• 21:36
  ever so slightly. You know when Ed Trippus ran the
• 21:38
  record and he's ran 829 here, so wasn't meant to be for him
• 21:43
  unfortunately either. There was a men's 800 meters,
• 21:46
  which was fourth out between former bronze medalist Ben
• 21:51
  Patterson of the UK and Jake Whiteman.
• 21:54
  So Ben Patterson ended up coming out on top in a 145 point O 7
• 21:59
  and Whiteman second point O 8. So this was insanely close.
• 22:03
  And I think Whiteman on his Instagram post, he put up like a
• 22:06
  bit of a reel of the closing 20 meters or so.
• 22:11
  And his caption was like almost took Ben's head off because it's
• 22:14
  like elbows are everywhere and he literally almost like slaps
• 22:18
  him in the face. For the women, there was an 800
• 22:22
  meters as well, which was worn by Rebe Walcott Nolan, British
• 22:26
  girl. And then there's quite a few
• 22:27
  here to be fair. So you've got then in second
• 22:30
  Aaron Wallace both running 159's even the girl in 3rd Isabel
• 22:35
  Buffy 159 high 4th, the girl who won the British 1500 meters
• 22:40
  Sarah Calvert 2 minutes flat and then Owens country woman Sarah
• 22:46
  Healy back in 7th run the PB though in 2.2 minutes flat .19.
• 22:52
  Yeah, she'd be happy with that. She like that the drop down in
• 22:56
  distance and that's going to make 1500 pace feel a lot
• 22:59
  easier. So I mean eyes paled now because
• 23:02
  the qualifying window closes today and I know that for UK
• 23:07
  Athletics they'll be making all their discretionary system
• 23:10
  decisions rather in the coming days and looking at how fast
• 23:14
  like 3 or 4 girls have ran here, I've no idea what that means.
• 23:18
  But the the announcements will come this week I think.
• 23:21
  But Sarah would be a walk into the 1500 meter team anyway I
• 23:25
  think, wouldn't she Owen? Yeah, they'd pay her to go.
• 23:30
  So that takes us to the second Diamond League meet of the week,
• 23:32
  which was in Brussels on Friday night.
• 23:35
  I think it was woke up to to that on Saturday morning.
• 23:39
  Do is a women's 1500 meters, which is won by the American
• 23:42
  athlete Nikki Hilts in 355.94. So I think she's just missed the
• 23:48
  US record there of Shelby. They shall not be named.
• 23:52
  No, I was. I was pausing because I realized
• 23:54
  that I referred to Nikki as she, but I'm not going to edit it.
• 23:59
  You can get gather that I mean they and I'll try and refer to
• 24:03
  them as they from here on out. So they just missed Shelby
• 24:08
  Houlihan's 354.99 national record.
• 24:11
  And then second was Linden Hall of Australia 356.33 and 3rd
• 24:17
  Nellie Chapter chair of Kenya 357.35 and noticeable honourable
• 24:22
  mention for Laura Muir of GB in four 357.63.
• 24:27
  So couple of points here, but I don't know.
• 24:30
  Did you guys watch this? Yeah, yeah, sort of.
• 24:33
  Their win. Yeah.
• 24:35
  I mean, I think Nikki was like it was just a fun race to watch
• 24:39
  because I think were we talking about this just in terms of like
• 24:42
  pace with your pay if you're running into the wind or let's
• 24:45
  say there's not too much wind. The energy costs associated with
• 24:48
  like, going gun to tape, you know, just with some of these
• 24:51
  athletes in the 1500, how much it costs.
• 24:53
  But sort of Linden Hall had a pacemaker and that I think she
• 24:57
  was just behind the pacemakers for a bit and then managed to
• 24:59
  get on to the pacemakers. And she had like a gap of, I
• 25:03
  don't know what was it maybe like 30 meters or so to the
• 25:07
  chase group. But the chase group were moving
• 25:09
  pretty well. And like, Lyndon, was that APB
• 25:12
  356? I can't remember.
• 25:14
  Yeah. So like, she's like running a
• 25:18
  really strong race out front. And then the chase group
• 25:21
  obviously had to quite a bit of work to do.
• 25:25
  And yeah, it was just really exciting because you felt like
• 25:27
  Linden Hall was going to hold, hold on.
• 25:29
  But Nikki was too strong, right? They just ran over the top of
• 25:32
  her legs. The last 200 meters just closed
• 25:35
  was probably just a bit too classy.
• 25:37
  But otherwise, like, I think Linden ran really sensibly.
• 25:40
  And I suspect that's what she'll do come the world champs.
• 25:43
  That's often actually often doesn't mind front running.
• 25:45
  So if you're fit and you run through like in the heats, that
• 25:50
  way you generally just run. You don't leave it to chance
• 25:53
  for, you know, the speeds. So I just thought it was a a
• 25:57
  cool race to to to watch. It was a good like just
• 26:00
  different to just the whole group going on the pacing lights
• 26:03
  and it playing out like that. Yeah, it was an incredibly bold
• 26:07
  run from her to get up the way she did and kind of just chance
• 26:11
  it, I guess. But the pack let her go, didn't
• 26:13
  they? And then you get to that like
• 26:16
  the bell, and you're like, Oh no, is it closing?
• 26:18
  Is it closing? And you've just got so much of
• 26:21
  an advantage, like knowing exactly where they are and like
• 26:26
  exactly how much distance you need to close.
• 26:28
  And as Nikki did, you can almost time it to the point where,
• 26:33
  like, you pass them two meters before the line and they've got
• 26:36
  no time to respond. And like, it wasn't like Linden
• 26:40
  Hall misjudged or anything. I think she had the last two
• 26:42
  laps that were sort of commentators for announcing
• 26:44
  splits. It was like 63.
• 26:46
  It was like 64 then 63 point 763.7 was like the two.
• 26:51
  I'm pretty sure her last two laps were almost identical so it
• 26:54
  was like she distributed her effort as good as she could
• 26:57
  have. Nikki was just too good, I
• 26:59
  think. Next up there was a women's 5000
• 27:03
  meter race and I didn't actually see this one so I'll just read
• 27:06
  the results and see if you guys watched it.
• 27:07
  There was. It was won by Agnes Negasich of
• 27:10
  Kenya in 1424, second was Lakina Ambor of Ethiopia in 1431 and
• 27:17
  3rd was also an Ethiopian woman, Ashley for Wiki in 1431.
• 27:23
  Further down the field in terms of noticeable athletes was
• 27:27
  Insurance Fitzgerald who Jake was mentioning that he was a big
• 27:31
  supporter of because she was part of his training set up with
• 27:35
  Joe. And I think the guy's name Gavin
• 27:38
  maybe, but they're definitely surname is Pavey.
• 27:41
  So she ran 1448, but I don't think that means anything in
• 27:45
  terms of her selection because she already had the standard.
• 27:48
  So yeah, did did anyone see this?
• 27:50
  Anything noticeable? I didn't see anything.
• 27:53
  I just think it's crazy. Well you're 1 Angus thing, get
• 27:55
  it? Like she's been around but the
• 27:57
  two Ethiopians below her like you never hear them before.
• 28:01
  Running 1431. Yeah, I didn't see it, but I did
• 28:05
  when I was flicking through a scene that she was on the pace
• 28:07
  lights for a while this negatish like it was a solo run from her
• 28:11
  and then once a scene that much that was also seeing.
• 28:14
  So she's ran 1424 by herself essentially and I think she was
• 28:18
  on sub 14 pace for a little while and has faded, but she
• 28:22
  gave herself that much of a gap that she was never in any doubt
• 28:26
  there for the win. Then there was the men's 1500
• 28:28
  meters, which was incredibly exciting, worn by the Dutchman.
• 28:33
  So Jake Smith called him for his gold medal, didn't he?
• 28:36
  Nails Laros and he's won in 330.58 from Fanwell Cowich,
• 28:42
  which if we think back to the London Diamond League the other
• 28:44
  week, this guy won that race and I'll kick Josh Kerr up the
• 28:48
  straight but he had no answer to Neil's Laros here.
• 28:52
  He was second in 331.41 and Armand the Goose was third.
• 28:58
  He had the goose in 331.51 and then just to go through the rest
• 29:03
  of the field in terms of depth, there was Isaac Nadir, Reynold
• 29:06
  Chariot, Jake Whiteman, Neil Gurley and Andrew Koskaran and
• 29:11
  Hobbs Khosla Ship. It's a shame that you have to
• 29:14
  scroll all the way down to 14th to see Hobbs Kessler's name
• 29:17
  doesn't look like it's going to be his year.
• 29:20
  But you guys didn't see this race.
• 29:21
  No, no. So Laros literally obliterated
• 29:27
  them coming up that homestretch. Like the rest of them are kind
• 29:31
  of like spent, not spent, but you know, to the point where
• 29:34
  they haven't got like 100% to kick down, whereas Kouach and
• 29:37
  him, they still had something to give.
• 29:39
  And if you can re picture that closing 100 meters in the London
• 29:43
  Diamond League where coach kind of like blew Josh Caraway, like
• 29:48
  looking at Laros alongside him, it was like, wow, if this guy's
• 29:52
  like anywhere near that the group come 50 meters to go in
• 29:57
  Tokyo, it could be curtains for them and like that's a 330 race
• 30:01
  as well. So it's going to have to be
• 30:03
  three 28327 you'd think like the people aren't going to be
• 30:07
  letting this guy kick. I think I was trying to think
• 30:09
  who would from run it like care would like it to be fast because
• 30:13
  then think he's like a notoriously quick closer as he
• 30:16
  likes to go from 5-6 hundred out if he can if he gets there.
• 30:22
  But it didn't work for him in the trial, so it might be a bit
• 30:25
  gunshot. And then you've got the Joker
• 30:27
  card of Jakob. Like if he's there, I'm sure he
• 30:30
  would. Well, I mean, maybe he's learnt
• 30:32
  his lesson as well and he wouldn't like to do it.
• 30:35
  I put money on it. He won't be there for the 15, I
• 30:37
  don't think. Gives us a few more weeks to
• 30:40
  think about our picks anyway, and I think it'd be a bit too
• 30:43
  hasty to call them now on the spot.
• 30:45
  I need to actually do some analysis and think about it
• 30:49
  properly, but Koskren 13335 that's all right.
• 30:53
  He's had a long season racing everywhere, isn't he?
• 30:56
  Yeah, it's so hard to keep it up for like that long.
• 30:59
  Like he's kept it up throughout the whole summer.
• 31:00
  So like a little dip a few weeks out before the the championship.
• 31:04
  So I don't think he'd be that worried about like he'll be
• 31:06
  peaking in a couple of weeks, hopefully.
• 31:08
  I've seen an interview with Whiteman after the race as well
• 31:12
  and he's saying like a little bit disappointed.
• 31:14
  The kind that wasn't really in it when it once it got going,
• 31:16
  Like I was there with 200 to go and then as soon as everyone
• 31:19
  starts opening the legs, man didn't want to do it.
• 31:22
  And usually that's his strength. Like usually you can close.
• 31:27
  So interesting for even him to be saying like off these type of
• 31:31
  paces, I can't close as hard as I'd like.
• 31:33
  Like these guys are just so fit and so fast.
• 31:36
  So now I think you guys are going to talk to us about the
• 31:40
  cross country and the half marathon in Northern Ireland.
• 31:43
  Yep, so it was Australian national cross country champs on
• 31:48
  in Bathurst. So I think they've got them for
• 31:51
  the next three years, and this, I think, was year #1 three
• 31:55
  years. This is my double trouble.
• 31:58
  If you can drive, if you can drive a quad bike on a cross
• 32:02
  country course, it's not cross country.
• 32:04
  It's a fucking muddy golf course.
• 32:06
  So. Yeah, I I appreciate you tuning
• 32:09
  in. Mic drop.
• 32:16
  It was quite well manicured, wasn't it?
• 32:19
  Yeah, that's one way to put it. I yeah, when I when I tuned into
• 32:23
  the live stream, so I'm not a huge cross country fan.
• 32:25
  I feel like I'm going to injure myself and I don't know, I
• 32:28
  prefer a fast flat Rd. surfers personally, But when I saw that
• 32:32
  I thought, oh, I could give that a go.
• 32:33
  Like it was quite. It was real pleasant.
• 32:36
  It was real, like American cross country, sort of that sort.
• 32:40
  Of vibe, yeah, maybe without any much elevation change from the
• 32:44
  looks of it as well, didn't it? No, definitely no elevation.
• 32:47
  Yeah, the have you seen, have you ever tuned into it when
• 32:52
  we've had like is it world champ selection trials at Stromlo
• 32:57
  ahead of the Bathurst world cross country champs?
• 33:01
  Did you have you seen the? Footage I heard about, I heard
• 33:03
  about that place. It's like a man made cross
• 33:06
  country course. It's beauty, yeah.
• 33:08
  And again, it's all like quite manicured, the grass, but it
• 33:11
  does have the like a really nice profile to it.
• 33:13
  Whereas I think Bathurst was more a bit flatter.
• 33:16
  Like they, they introduced elements, didn't they?
• 33:18
  They were it's like a mud pit and like hay bales they had to
• 33:22
  navigate. Listeners can't see Owen's eyes
• 33:27
  rolling to the back of his head as he describing the tough
• 33:30
  elements of the Australian cross country.
• 33:33
  Yeah, and it was a nice day weather wise as well.
• 33:35
  So it's pretty pleasant. But look, it made for good.
• 33:39
  It made for clear pitches and some exciting races.
• 33:43
  Before I get I get into the open results, just a shout out.
• 33:47
  So because we have pre like so we all train or did train under
• 33:51
  the front runner banner. One of the girls that trains
• 33:54
  with the like junior group took out the girls under fourteens
• 34:00
  right, so fake Potter. So just a shout out to West
• 34:04
  Aussie. So like when I was growing up, I
• 34:06
  raced national cross years 9 through 12 and we were like
• 34:11
  perennial like 4th and 4th. And like we, we didn't finish.
• 34:14
  We were like we would at the end of the meets call out pay anyone
• 34:18
  that finished inside the top 10 for WA.
• 34:20
  Like we would not normally feature that heavily.
• 34:22
  Like it was the Eastern states that dominated.
• 34:24
  So, and we sometimes use the analogy of like taking like a
• 34:28
  knife to a gunfight in terms of we were, we just came up against
• 34:32
  athletes and kids that had more sophisticated groups and
• 34:35
  training programs and structures.
• 34:36
  So just nice to see someone from our local club sort of being
• 34:40
  able to mix it with the best runners of her age group
• 34:44
  nationally. And she judged it really well.
• 34:45
  She was sort of, there's another W Aussie that was leading for
• 34:48
  most of the race and then there was 3 girls chasing her down,
• 34:52
  fake being one of them and she sort of just came over the top
• 34:55
  late and searched time for the win.
• 34:57
  So that was a cool start to the morning and then I think they
• 35:00
  had a break and rolled into the opens men's races.
• 35:05
  Yeah, I'd argue that that group of girls that is in front runner
• 35:09
  like that age is just such a tight knit.
• 35:11
  Like you just see them, they're always chatting.
• 35:14
  They're such a like good bunch that like love training.
• 35:18
  So yeah, it's a really good atmosphere there and like the
• 35:20
  results sort of speak for themselves.
• 35:22
  Yeah, exactly. You can you, you get the vibe,
• 35:24
  don't you? With the, you can sort of see it
• 35:27
  because we're not close to, we sort of train alongside them,
• 35:29
  but you can sort of see how they're having fun at training,
• 35:32
  but also sort of when they need to take it seriously.
• 35:35
  You know, it's sort of they've got the vibe right, don't they?
• 35:38
  Yeah, absolutely. In contrast to Owen's double
• 35:40
  trouble on the golf buggy slash quad bike, it was good that it
• 35:44
  provided us with upfront footage for the duration of the race.
• 35:48
  And then they had the I think they must have had a drone in
• 35:51
  the sky or something kind of following with panoramic shots.
• 35:53
  Like for a race that I don't want to call it low key, but
• 35:57
  like cross country to get footage like that was quite
• 35:59
  cool, wasn't it? Yeah, you're right.
• 36:00
  And yeah, you might have like Tim Crosby, who sort of he hosts
• 36:05
  like the like, you know, those like Mila's mates in Melbourne
• 36:09
  and is like event director for the Melbourne like the Melbourne
• 36:14
  Running Festival. He I thought did a great job.
• 36:18
  If he's it's all through the ages.
• 36:20
  He has such great knowledge. I mean, particularly of the
• 36:23
  Victorian athletes. But he did, you know, like
• 36:25
  Rafford given some some comments of fake.
• 36:27
  And So what are those sort of coaches around wants to watch
• 36:29
  out for and sort of referring to his notes and his ability to
• 36:32
  rattle off all these names through all the age groups
• 36:35
  throughout the the commentary section.
• 36:36
  They're sort of talking for hours.
• 36:38
  I don't know. I thought it was, yeah, it was a
• 36:39
  really good stream given it's not mainstream enough to make
• 36:42
  like our national broadcasting services.
• 36:44
  So like, yeah, I thought they they did a very good job.
• 36:47
  It was sort of a good day of racing.
• 36:51
  But yeah, in the men's, the men's was on 1st, the men's
• 36:56
  senior race. So the winner was Zach Fatchio,
• 36:59
  Patchione, second was Aidan Belton and 3rd was Matt Buckle.
• 37:04
  They sort of were your top three.
• 37:07
  And I don't know if you guys saw the race, but they were sort of,
• 37:11
  it sort of started off in a big group and then it was, it was a
• 37:15
  bit tactical early. There was probably 15 or so at
• 37:18
  least in that lead group. And then I think it was Matt
• 37:20
  Buckle, who I think is from Bendigo, sort of like a regional
• 37:24
  Victorian town near to where the Champs were hosted, sort of made
• 37:27
  a move. And I think that Aiden Belton
• 37:30
  was sort of followed the move and then that Zach Fetcher and
• 37:34
  he sort of bridged a gap and caught up to them.
• 37:36
  And it was really those three. And then Zach was sort of the
• 37:39
  strongest of the three. But yeah, it was it like it was
• 37:42
  a really, it was an enjoyable race.
• 37:44
  Like a few guys fired different shots at different times.
• 37:46
  And I think it's a bit more open.
• 37:48
  Like there's most of the a lot of the sort of top Australian
• 37:51
  runners are overseas chasing times at the minute.
• 37:54
  So it sort of meant that there was an opportunity there for
• 37:57
  someone, someone else to to get the win.
• 38:00
  And I think sort of Zach is part of that on group, which I think
• 38:02
  Ben's gone over to join on Oceania.
• 38:06
  So sort of one of the coaches at front runners over there
• 38:09
  coaching would be coaching Zach now.
• 38:11
  So it'd be cool to get his insights on how that's going at
• 38:14
  some point. But yeah, that was a good run.
• 38:16
  And I thought I was quite surprised I hadn't heard of like
• 38:19
  I'd heard of Matt Buckle. I remember watching a Victorian
• 38:22
  5K state champs where he, Isaac Kane had come over from South
• 38:26
  Australia to race it and someone else was in it.
• 38:30
  I've forgotten then. I've forgotten who it was.
• 38:32
  But there was some other people that he sort of beat out a
• 38:34
  pretty good 5K field to win, have to I think might have been
• 38:37
  in it. And so I remember.
• 38:39
  So I sort of knew his name and I knew of Zach.
• 38:41
  I did, but I hadn't heard of that Adrian Belton at all.
• 38:45
  And I sort of looked up his World Athletics profile and I
• 38:47
  feel like he's like, so in like 2021, his PB for 3K was 859, his
• 38:55
  season's best. Perry's World Athletics profile,
• 38:57
  he was like A15445K runner and then he sort of progressed down
• 39:02
  in 2024. He, you know, he's come down
• 39:05
  from 859-840-1828, eight, 12819 over the 3K and then 15441519
• 39:12
  and 1355. So I don't know his story, but I
• 39:16
  feel like it'd be an interesting one because I feel like he's
• 39:19
  probably, he's obviously come on like he was very competitive in
• 39:21
  that race, countering every move and was really in it to win it
• 39:25
  and racing guys that are probably a bit more, you know,
• 39:28
  certainly high profile athletes domestically.
• 39:30
  So yeah, a very good run by him. Would he be part of any Saints
• 39:34
  group? Because I'm sure it was him who
• 39:36
  over the weekend put up a story of an athlete, like just a photo
• 39:39
  of them running at nationals and like kind of commending them.
• 39:43
  And he was commenting on, because it was a name I'd heard
• 39:46
  of but wasn't too familiar with him, was like commenting on this
• 39:49
  guy's range. Like maybe he's a 1500m runner
• 39:52
  and he ran this really good 10K cross country on the weekend.
• 39:57
  I can't think who it was now off the top of my head and the story
• 40:00
  would have gone annoyingly. Bugger.
• 40:02
  Yeah, OK, Very possible, yeah. So he ran for New South.
• 40:06
  He runs for he, he was, he was in a NSW singlet.
• 40:10
  So very possible, yeah. Was that like a a royal blue
• 40:13
  colour? Like a light, like a lighter,
• 40:15
  like, like Navy blue was the Victorian and then yeah,
• 40:18
  lighter, like, yeah, blue was the NSW.
• 40:22
  And then in the women's race, run very different to the men's
• 40:25
  and men, sort of was in a group pack and a sort of everyone was
• 40:28
  waiting and, you know, biting their time where it was sort of
• 40:31
  like the winner. Bronte Oates sort of went from
• 40:34
  gun, gun to tape, didn't she? And Jenny Blundell and Georgia
• 40:38
  Hansen were second and third. They were sort of trying to
• 40:43
  bridge up to her I think quite a few times.
• 40:45
  You sort of the gap never got to the point where it was
• 40:47
  completely obvious that she was going to win.
• 40:49
  But Nick Bronte Oates won the Sydney City to Surf the other
• 40:53
  week, so she must have been in some decent form.
• 40:56
  And yeah, she sort of just took it out pretty aggressively,
• 40:59
  which I know. You know, when you watch those
• 41:01
  junior cross country races, you'll see one of the athletes
• 41:03
  just go and they're like complete red zone and it will be
• 41:08
  5 minutes of them sort of in the limelight.
• 41:10
  But, you know, they're just gonna be flooded with lactate
• 41:12
  and get rolled, whereas you just know that, like, senior athletes
• 41:16
  don't normally run that way. And so she, when she looked
• 41:19
  strong at the start and you initially was probably pretty
• 41:21
  confident and, yeah, no one could catch her.
• 41:23
  I don't think the gap was that huge in the end.
• 41:25
  But she was just, yeah, 20 seconds.
• 41:27
  But she was just too good. Never really, I don't think ever
• 41:31
  looked like look, look like losing.
• 41:33
  I think it's so commendable when you're that strong and it's
• 41:37
  almost like when you you know you're the best and you stand on
• 41:40
  the start line and go. I'm not allowing this to be any
• 41:43
  sort of race and tactics coming into it.
• 41:46
  I know I'm the fittest and I know I'm the fastest, so I'm
• 41:49
  just going to run the fastest time from the gun and I just
• 41:51
  know that you won't be able to keep up with me.
• 41:53
  So that's the way I'm going to win and what you're going to do
• 41:56
  about it. So if I'm like in some light
• 41:58
  local, you know, when you're racing like that, some people
• 42:01
  might just bluff the other person and just who's prepared
• 42:04
  to take themselves further into the red before someone slows
• 42:07
  down. But I.
• 42:09
  Remember, you recall in a few times you've used this tactic in
• 42:12
  the past. Giving away trade secrets there,
• 42:17
  That's clubhouse chat. So if you see Dean, Dean, go,
• 42:22
  don't let him go. I'm bluffing.
• 42:27
  Well, maybe in a good time to say that you won't be doing that
• 42:31
  at any point this weekend. Certainly not at Sydney, which,
• 42:34
  no, you can't. It was nice that they mentioned
• 42:37
  you and you got a feature there in like the elite men's field.
• 42:40
  But not there are you nor City Surf, I don't think.
• 42:44
  No nor Amaya 2080910K guy but. You take it.
• 42:50
  Where did they pull that out of? You know what I think?
• 42:54
  You know when your Strava wigs out that could be pulled from
• 42:57
  there. Dare I say they clicked into the
• 43:00
  full distance? Maybe that could be.
• 43:02
  Maybe they'd heard a double trouble about your your Strava
• 43:05
  time being your 10K time so. It wasn't you run the other week
• 43:09
  where you went into the ocean. Was it on your GPS give?
• 43:12
  You the tech data that was 26 something so.
• 43:16
  Dropped a 133 kilometer. But yeah, that was nationals, so
• 43:25
  yeah. So they did a great job.
• 43:27
  Right over to the Emerald Isle where there was, uh, the Antrim
• 43:33
  half marathon. So I think like I only heard
• 43:35
  about this when I was in Australia actually, that there
• 43:37
  was a really fast half marathon in Ireland.
• 43:40
  Umm, uh, when your man, because your man Ryan Gregson ran really
• 43:43
  fast over here, but I think the course record is 58 something
• 43:48
  and it's so scenic. So you start in the city and
• 43:51
  then you run out. It's sort of like the way I, I'd
• 43:54
  explain it. It's like the Great Ocean Road.
• 43:56
  You sort of run out a road like that, except it's like pancake
• 43:58
  flat. And then you, you go do a little
• 44:01
  1K loop and you come back out the same road and yeah, it's
• 44:05
  really, really fast. I think Mo Farah ran a couple of
• 44:09
  years ago. Where?
• 44:10
  Where is it? It's up Northern Ireland, so
• 44:13
  it's Northern Ireland. So it's in Northern Ireland, OK.
• 44:16
  Yeah, yeah. So one of them counties, yeah.
• 44:19
  If you look up, there's a the Giant's Causeway.
• 44:22
  It's like one of the like go to attractions.
• 44:24
  I think it's up near, well, that's an Antrim as well.
• 44:27
  So umm, yeah. Anyway Jeffrey Kamwarer from
• 44:33
  Kenya won in 5951 and second was today say get on from Israel in
• 44:40
  6121 and 3rd was Phil Sessman in 6122.
• 44:46
  So the way this race planned out was 2 Kenyans went off and
• 44:51
  actually Ephraim G'day, the Irish guy who he's a hocus
• 44:56
  sponsored athlete, he was pacing them.
• 44:58
  So he brought him to like 10K in like 27 high or something crazy.
• 45:04
  But soon. Enough.
• 45:06
  I think the the 5K split was 1345.
• 45:10
  Yeah, like they were on like 58, low pace, but soon and one of
• 45:14
  their canyons, I think he ended up finishing sixth in 63 O3.
• 45:17
  He dropped off pretty early, so it was just a man front running
• 45:21
  the whole time. And then there's a group of four
• 45:24
  so that today, say, get on Phil Sesame and Sandra Moen and
• 45:28
  Hendrick Fiffer, they were all, they were all together.
• 45:31
  So they finished within like 5 seconds of each other.
• 45:36
  So yeah. So they won the men's side and
• 45:41
  the women's side was won by Mizan Alam from Ethiopia in
• 45:45
  6538. Second was Loisi Chumung from I
• 45:52
  don't know where, it doesn't say from N 66 O six.
• 45:56
  And third was Sen yet Ghetto at you I think in 6333.
• 46:02
  And then over mentioned 4th Caroline Grovedale from Norway N
• 46:07
  6726. Cali Hagar Thackery from the UK
• 46:12
  was 6939 and Charlotte Purdue was 7058.
• 46:17
  So not the fuss I think. Cali Thackery.
• 46:20
  She ran in Maragami when we ran, didn't she?
• 46:23
  Yes. She has my husband.
• 46:25
  Yeah, she was paced by a husband that day and her husband was on
• 46:30
  the start list of this one. He ran 65 something.
• 46:35
  Maybe today, because when I seen it, I was wondering is he paced
• 46:39
  her again because they announced the maybe it's either New York
• 46:43
  or Chicago or should really know but she's doing one of them and
• 46:47
  her husband is on the men's elite list as well.
• 46:50
  But then they were both clarifying that he is her
• 46:54
  personal pacer and not actually racing the men's elite field.
• 46:58
  So 10th Nick Hagar in 65 O 9 so. It did, it did say on the
• 47:06
  commentary excited on because we found the stream didn't wait
• 47:09
  that she was going for the British record today, which is
• 47:12
  Hailish Mccolgans like 6530 something so and then she's
• 47:18
  around 69. So obviously it hasn't been a
• 47:20
  great run. She does actually follow our
• 47:22
  Instagram page, so it's we don't want to be doing her too much
• 47:27
  injustice because she might be a supporter and a listener.
• 47:31
  No, but call a spade a spade. What did she run in Maragami?
• 47:34
  Yeah, she ran 6658. Yeah, not a good run there, but
• 47:39
  she's she's probably doing World Championships, is she?
• 47:42
  Yeah, I think she's in the marathon selection.
• 47:44
  Yeah, so look, she might have had a bad run there today, but
• 47:47
  I'm sure she'll she just has heavy legs and a marathon build.
• 47:50
  Jeffrey Cam roar? Was that the Jeffrey Cam Roar
• 47:55
  like the former life? Yeah, yeah, I think so, because
• 47:57
  Chap's the guy was on the start list as well, and he was a late
• 48:00
  scratch. He runs.
• 48:02
  Wait, an Ant team? That an Ant team?
• 48:04
  I think he trains with Kachogo basically.
• 48:05
  Have you seen the footage? Was it the Cardiff world champs
• 48:09
  2016? And I think they all, he falls
• 48:12
  at the start and there's footage of him getting trampled and then
• 48:15
  he like sprints up and he's like, cuz they're, I think the
• 48:18
  mass might have been like a mass participation race ahead of the
• 48:21
  World Championships. And he just launches and then
• 48:24
  starts like pegging his way through it and burns for
• 48:26
  everyone and then wins the world championship after like getting
• 48:31
  pummeled. I think he held the world record
• 48:33
  I think for the half marathon back in the day.
• 48:35
  But I feel like I haven't heard his name in a while.
• 48:37
  Like, that's like 10 years ago. I think he's won it twice, the
• 48:41
  World Championships in the half marathon.
• 48:42
  Yeah, there you go. Yeah.
• 48:44
  So either he was incredibly young when he was very good
• 48:47
  because like we knew of him back then, or like he's just a lot
• 48:51
  older than you think now. Car.
• 48:52
  Or something. Did he Something felt like he
• 48:55
  had an injury or something out of the game for a while.
• 48:58
  I could be. I could be.
• 49:01
  Something very deep back in the brain there, like I've got this
• 49:04
  funny feeling he got hit by a car.
• 49:07
  We might have to cut that. That's all good.
• 49:09
  We'll we'll move on and if you find that he was hit by a car,
• 49:12
  then you can let us know that's actually it's got World
• 49:16
  Athletics. Whatever the is it like it's not
• 49:20
  premium is it what's the it's? A Gold Label event or.
• 49:24
  It's really, yeah. You get really good points from
• 49:26
  it. So I bet you that Efrem G Day
• 49:30
  got a decent payday there for doing the pacing like of the
• 49:33
  very front crew. Plug this way.
• 49:35
  He didn't do it for free. And he got hit.
• 49:39
  Sorry. No, no breaking news.
• 49:41
  Important update. Yeah, he got training for the
• 49:43
  2021 Tokyo Olympics. He got hit by a motorbike, heard
• 49:47
  his foot was out. There you go.
• 49:49
  There you go. I wonder if that was, is he
• 49:52
  Kenyan? Yeah.
• 49:53
  Yeah. So I wonder if that was by one
• 49:55
  of those like, the most excuses who give you a lift back from
• 49:59
  your session when you're stranded.
• 50:01
  But the wheels came off after that for a while for sure
• 50:03
  because I haven't heard of him for a bit.
• 50:05
  Now he's back running 6060 low but yet another pacer before we
• 50:10
  just move on. Mark Scott either paced the
• 50:13
  second group or the women and he's a name who I haven't really
• 50:17
  heard much of recently so I was wondering what he was up to.
• 50:20
  Yeah, he was definitely pacing, but I think he like walked it
• 50:22
  in. I don't know what he was at.
• 50:24
  Would you look to do that race? Yeah, if I was probably the best
• 50:29
  half marathon in Ireland, but yeah, it's just the time of the
• 50:34
  year falls, well, it probably would work.
• 50:36
  See you sort of train for track season and like I feel like it
• 50:39
  is different like 5K training to half marathon training.
• 50:42
  So you sort of have to pick one or the other.
• 50:45
  Is it much cooler? Like not trying to joke about
• 50:48
  the Irish heat wave, but is it at all like the weather must
• 50:51
  have been nice for for for the half I assume?
• 50:54
  No, it's humid man. It like like.
• 50:56
  So it is still hot. Yeah, it's really sticky and not
• 50:59
  nice. OK, so maybe that's why the
• 51:01
  times were not. Maybe some of these times were
• 51:04
  not. I like that Jeffrey Cantora's
• 51:07
  run like 58 flat. So like, maybe it's not he blew
• 51:11
  up. He blew apart but yeah the
• 51:13
  weather is like given a month and it will get cold.
• 51:16
  Yeah, but it must be sorry. Like it mustn't be too bad.
• 51:20
  Like because is it normally held this time of year?
• 51:23
  If so, like it must just be a bit unseasonably hot at the
• 51:26
  minute. It's really weird.
• 51:28
  Like it's not normal, like how humid it is.
• 51:30
  Well, I've been here for the last two years, but yeah, it's
• 51:32
  weird. Like I think global warming is
• 51:34
  actually real. I was going to say as well, if
• 51:37
  we're saying that Cali Thackeray didn't have the greatest run.
• 51:41
  Another thing which came to mind when you read them out,
• 51:43
  Charlotte Purdue, haven't heard her name for a while.
• 51:46
  And if she ran 70 high, she's a 221 or 222 marathoner.
• 51:52
  So I mean, perhaps this is her first run in a while, but there
• 51:56
  she's capable than better than that too.
• 51:58
  Yeah, I haven't heard from her. Like last time I actually heard
• 52:00
  from her was she like rolled her ankle a week out from the
• 52:03
  Olympic marathon. And since then, I know she's
• 52:06
  changed brand. She's now a Pumatly.
• 52:07
  She was Adidas. But yeah, I haven't heard from
• 52:10
  her at all. Fun fact, actually, I when I was
• 52:13
  in Melbourne, I hopped in a session and I was sort of like
• 52:17
  running with Charlotte. So yeah, she's an unbelievable
• 52:20
  lately. Whereabouts was that?
• 52:24
  Glen Waverley, that grass track that MTC run around.
• 52:28
  Was the rest of the MTC lot there?
• 52:30
  Yeah, come here. I was there real early.
• 52:34
  I was like the first one there and I was just sitting on a
• 52:35
  bench and like, next thing like, Brett Robinson walks by, Jack
• 52:39
  Rayner walks by, Sue Mix Wayne walks by, freaking Charlotte
• 52:43
  Purdue walks by. It was just, yeah, starstruck,
• 52:49
  like trying to explain to people that like the Aussie marathon
• 52:53
  record holder at the time, Aussie half marathon record
• 52:56
  holder Jack Rayner, 10K record holder Stu Mcswain, all the
• 53:00
  records he has, like just trying to comprehend like who I was
• 53:04
  training with the people was, yeah, it's just crazy.
• 53:06
  But I was just running. That was my so I was just coming
• 53:10
  back from my stress fracture and I think I was doing like 4K runs
• 53:14
  or something like that. And within that session I like
• 53:17
  16 who's like redlining in the warm up.
• 53:24
  It's funny, but no memories to last a lifetime.
• 53:27
  Was was the loads of other people on the track as well or
• 53:30
  just literally them lot on you? No, no, there was loads and.
• 53:34
  Oh, so you could blend in well. Yeah, I was just with the girls
• 53:37
  group. Was Tobin White there?
• 53:40
  He the first time I went there he wasn't there, but the second
• 53:43
  time he was there but I like I didn't say hi to him or
• 53:46
  anything. I was too shy.
• 53:49
  Yes. So that, that's funny because
• 53:50
  that would have been around the time then that my Whiteman story
• 53:54
  comes from, because she was on that long run as well.
• 53:57
  So that session that you've seen her at would have either been
• 54:00
  like the week before that or the week after that or something.
• 54:03
  Yeah, that's funny. But yeah, I was just trying to
• 54:06
  have a look if she's on the road to Tokyo at all whilst we were
• 54:11
  speaking about that, if you guys can.
• 54:14
  Will we fail? Yeah, yeah.
• 54:17
  I'll just go our weekly section of doping news.
• 54:21
  Yeah. So this basically on the week,
• 54:25
  Marina, Becca, Roman, Chuck. So basically she's a Ukrainian
• 54:31
  triple jumper and long jumper. She got popped for taking
• 54:35
  testosterone. And like, nothing crazy there.
• 54:38
  It's just her representative is the same as Ruth Schepengetic,
• 54:48
  the marathon record holder, so same representative, Federico
• 54:54
  Rossa. So if you actually go on to that
• 54:56
  World Athletics, you can like go into your one who's got popped.
• 55:00
  And then you can there's another little section saying at the
• 55:03
  representative and it shows Federico Rosa.
• 55:05
  And then it shows like all the athletes he represents.
• 55:08
  And I think it's like 6 of the top ten fastest women of all or
• 55:13
  No 6 marathon major winners have been popped.
• 55:18
  And he all represents them all. And yeah, basically this lad is
• 55:22
  rotten. And like, his mobile number is
• 55:23
  there his e-mail. So I wonder if he'd give him a
• 55:26
  rang or e-mail them. But he come on the pod.
• 55:31
  And we'll, we'll get, we'll get him added into the club.
• 55:33
  I'll see what he's got to say for himself.
• 55:35
  Yeah. So yeah, it doesn't look great.
• 55:37
  And like other athletes he represents is Aragawi A5K guy
• 55:42
  that's run super vast. Um, Beatrice Chibet, that chick
• 55:46
  that broke 14 minutes for the 5K and Jacob Kiblimo, the half
• 55:52
  marathon world record holder. Guy.
• 55:54
  He's right, so I'm not, I'm just saying he represents all these
• 55:56
  guys, nothing else. He just represents really
• 55:59
  actually Daryl Neeta. No, I'm not saying all these
• 56:01
  are, but just interesting like the range that.
• 56:04
  To Bogo's on there as well. Bogo, Yeah.
• 56:06
  Bogo followed our Instagram page.
• 56:08
  Listen. Come on, Owen.
• 56:12
  Well, yeah, I know. It's just crazy that.
• 56:13
  Not to BOGO. A lot of his athletes have been
• 56:16
  caught. So yeah, Mike Ryan, send him an
• 56:19
  e-mail. See what he come on.
• 56:22
  You know, I was, I was thinking about this as well, like because
• 56:25
  Gabby Thomas has done that post during the week, hasn't she,
• 56:28
  where she's saying, I think this is targeted towards like the US
• 56:32
  track athlete to train under. Is it Dennis Mitchell or
• 56:36
  something? He's had a load of trouble in
• 56:38
  the past with Open and she's essentially saying if you
• 56:42
  associate yourself with a coach who's basically got a bad
• 56:45
  record, then you're guilty by association almost.
• 56:49
  And I know it's kind of controversial, but I think like
• 56:52
  with Rosa, at least ways, he's had so many athletes getting
• 56:56
  done for it and his reputation is like atrocious.
• 56:59
  Why would you not if you are represented by him?
• 57:02
  If you're clean, why would you not distance yourself from that
• 57:05
  and like, go somewhere else unless you have something to
• 57:08
  hide? And you've seen people do that.
• 57:10
  Do you remember when there was all that talk around a heat
• 57:14
  coming towards the Nike Oregon Project and before that folded
• 57:18
  everyone left? Well, isn't, isn't that where
• 57:20
  Farah's kind of shade comes from?
• 57:22
  Because he like hung around a little bit too long and wouldn't
• 57:25
  really help him when he was like, pressed about it and
• 57:28
  stuff. And I don't know if he offended
• 57:29
  him as such, but he he certainly evaded criticizing him.
• 57:33
  Yeah. But yeah, it's the obvious move,
• 57:34
  isn't it? It's wrong.
• 57:37
  I don't like it. The next item on the agenda then
• 57:40
  is Sydney Marathon Preview. So coming up, I don't really
• 57:43
  know how to do this justice, but coming up next weekend is Sydney
• 57:48
  Marathon first year as a world marathon major.
• 57:51
  So I know there's quite a few athletes from Frontrunner and WA
• 57:54
  travelling over to run that and it's something which how they
• 57:58
  have been fit I would have loved to be involved in.
• 58:00
  Like because it's in inverted commas, Sydney Marathon.
• 58:04
  Like it's hard to reframe the fact that it's now a world major
• 58:08
  and comparable to like Chicago, Boston, Berlin, London, like
• 58:13
  it's literally on the same playing field.
• 58:15
  So you'd think that the atmosphere is going to be
• 58:17
  insane. You've got Kipchogi on the start
• 58:20
  line, you've got Stefan Hassan on the start line.
• 58:23
  And we're kind of, I know some of the listeners aren't
• 58:26
  Australian. So with us being exposed to the
• 58:30
  Australian run and seeing a lot, we're kind of feeling or like
• 58:33
  the hype and the, the build up towards it.
• 58:35
  And it seems like like the whole weekend is going to be so sick
• 58:39
  because there's so many like events, all the brands are
• 58:41
  involved are sex on, they're all doing like all these activations
• 58:46
  and stuff. So it is a little bit of FOMO in
• 58:49
  not being over there. But nevertheless, I wanted to
• 58:53
  ask you guys who your picks would be from both a race winner
• 58:59
  and an Australian only perspective, because that's kind
• 59:02
  of the underlying agenda that's going on, isn't it?
• 59:06
  Like, well, at least within Australia, like the rest of the
• 59:08
  world, we'll just purely be looking at who wins.
• 59:11
  But we kind of know that there's this big prize money on for the
• 59:14
  first Australian and 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th I think wasn't it from
• 59:19
  30 grand? And they pay all the way down to
• 59:22
  I think it might even 2500 or gone.
• 59:26
  Yeah, down to fifth, Yeah. So we're following kind of like
• 59:30
  those storylines where they might be finishing maybe top
• 59:33
  five, top ten, but they won't get most of the major media
• 59:36
  coverage worldwide, but certainly within Australia it's
• 59:39
  a massive storyline. So you guys got anything to
• 59:42
  offer? There, you're on.
• 59:44
  Mute I haven't a clue about any of them Kenyans and Ethiopians
• 59:48
  the only guy I know I want to see your man Edward Trezorick.
• 59:51
  I'd like to see him run well, but regards to the Australian
• 59:55
  side that is so like there's so many massive names in Australian
• 1:00:01
  distance running there. Like we even just see how half
• 1:00:03
  two strengths off and Sam Kiefer go but.
• 1:00:06
  Really, it'd be hard to look past Brett like he is extremely
• 1:00:10
  talented, but um, you'd imagine like just be interesting to see
• 1:00:14
  what way the race plays out. Like will anyone go hard?
• 1:00:17
  Like, we'll have to just go for it and try and drop everyone
• 1:00:20
  because have to. He ran faster than Bretton
• 1:00:23
  Maragami in the half marathon. So look, yeah, it's going to be
• 1:00:26
  super, super interesting to see how that goes.
• 1:00:28
  But my picks are going to be Ed Chesrick in the actual marathon
• 1:00:33
  and then Brett Robinson in the Australian side in the lads.
• 1:00:36
  And few women. King Ches king Ches yeah, in the
• 1:00:40
  women like something terrible have to go wrong to have Stefan
• 1:00:45
  Assan for her not to win. So I'd go for her and then the
• 1:00:51
  women hem. Do you know it's either Jess or
• 1:00:55
  Lisa And I'm sort of rooting for Lisa.
• 1:00:59
  I don't know why. I just the way like she didn't
• 1:01:02
  make it to the warehouse. I think it was just so good.
• 1:01:05
  If she wanted the Australian side, it'd be cool.
• 1:01:08
  What about you, Ron? Well, I'm going to go with the
• 1:01:11
  fairy tale of Kip Jogi. Obviously that's a bit of a cop
• 1:01:16
  out, but you are hearing rumours and whispers, I don't know where
• 1:01:20
  they come from that he's training.
• 1:01:22
  Well, in fact, I think you do know where they come from.
• 1:01:25
  Christian from Norway seems to have some connections in Kenya
• 1:01:28
  where he can get whispers on how Kip Jogi's training.
• 1:01:33
  But yeah, from all reports, he's going well.
• 1:01:35
  And similarly to Owen, I'm not too familiar with the other
• 1:01:39
  athletes there up the top. But that being said, there is
• 1:01:42
  12345678 athletes sub 205. And like when the hills come
• 1:01:47
  into it, anyone who can run 2234 potentially, like it almost
• 1:01:53
  levels the playing field somewhat.
• 1:01:54
  If you're strong up the hills, you could come into it.
• 1:01:58
  But yeah, I'm going to go go with Kipchoge.
• 1:02:00
  And similarly to Owen, I am a big fan of Brett, so I'd really
• 1:02:04
  like to see him kind of finish as high up as possible in the
• 1:02:08
  overall leaderboard. Like, I don't know how high he
• 1:02:10
  can get, but often when there's like so many E Africans on the
• 1:02:14
  start list, only half of them will make it to the finish line
• 1:02:17
  anyway. So even though he doesn't
• 1:02:19
  feature that high up in the rankings in terms of PB, he
• 1:02:22
  might find themselves somewhere closer to the top than where
• 1:02:25
  he's listed now. And yeah, I think he's due a
• 1:02:29
  good one. And he kind of seems like he
• 1:02:31
  deserves 1. And at the same time, I would
• 1:02:33
  like to see half two kind of redeem himself from his
• 1:02:38
  attempted debut in Berlin, where he dropped out around halfway.
• 1:02:42
  And then he seems to have copped a little bit of stick for that
• 1:02:45
  along the past few months. And I don't really think it's
• 1:02:48
  very fair. So.
• 1:02:50
  And when we did speak to him, actually, in fairness, he was
• 1:02:52
  like such a lovely guy in that down to earth.
• 1:02:55
  And he was just as interested in our running as we were
• 1:02:58
  interested in his. So I think he's got a big future
• 1:03:01
  in marathon and in distance running, so be good to see him
• 1:03:04
  go. Well.
• 1:03:05
  And then for the women, again, not too sure on the some of the
• 1:03:09
  names on the elite list there, although Bridget Cosguy, I don't
• 1:03:13
  know, I guess it must be between her and Sufan Hassan.
• 1:03:16
  Although I'll take the easy Rd. out again and go with Hassan,
• 1:03:21
  perhaps justifying it by saying Max's connection to her makes me
• 1:03:25
  want to support her. So we'll go Sufan on the
• 1:03:29
  overall. And then I think I said
• 1:03:31
  originally when we spoke about this, I backed Jess.
• 1:03:34
  So I'll stick with that. She seems like she's been
• 1:03:37
  putting together some good and sensible training there.
• 1:03:40
  But I also appreciate Owen's point.
• 1:03:42
  Like Lisa probably will be running with fire in her belly
• 1:03:46
  and she's kind of the unknown. So like, I'm so excited to
• 1:03:48
  follow it. What's Max's connection to her
• 1:03:51
  son? Or who was Max?
• 1:03:52
  You know Max Mon? Is it Mon rather than Mahan?
• 1:03:56
  I think it is, isn't it? Yeah, he he done.
• 1:03:59
  Maybe it was at least one whilst you were here, Owen, and I think
• 1:04:04
  I've only done one session with him as well 'cause he was kind
• 1:04:06
  of injured a little bit whilst we were training.
• 1:04:09
  But I think he moved over from Sydney and he was working in the
• 1:04:12
  run centre a little bit. You would have seen him train
• 1:04:15
  him once or twice. I think he's.
• 1:04:16
  From second to you, Dean. Yeah, yeah, OK.
• 1:04:19
  Yeah, yeah. He ran 1410 or something in
• 1:04:22
  College in the US and whilst he was over there he ended up kind
• 1:04:26
  of like being a personal training partner slash pacer for
• 1:04:30
  Saffan Hassan. Like before she kind of blew up
• 1:04:32
  massively. So I think he's actually going
• 1:04:35
  over to Sydney and gonna like catch up with her and her coach
• 1:04:38
  and stuff. Get the inside scoop, give him a
• 1:04:41
  microphone. Do you know?
• 1:04:43
  So I think I find it so weird how like she just disappears for
• 1:04:47
  the last I don't know how long and will now reappear and doubt
• 1:04:51
  herself so much and just walk the course basically and win it
• 1:04:54
  easy. Like she's got no publicity
• 1:04:57
  whatsoever. Like does she train in Ethiopia
• 1:05:01
  or where? Like no one knows.
• 1:05:03
  It's crazy. No.
• 1:05:04
  Is she part of NN? Or if I got like the Orange
• 1:05:07
  association because of a Dutch background and obviously they
• 1:05:10
  were orange. Yeah, I don't know, like we
• 1:05:13
  don't even know that. Like normally you know who runs
• 1:05:15
  NN? It's it's weird.
• 1:05:19
  DM what you going for. Men's.
• 1:05:23
  You can't go for yourself. Long odds Vincent the Getich I
• 1:05:31
  reckon in the men's so ran 204 flat at Tokyo this year, beat
• 1:05:39
  Kit Jogi when Kit Jogi was in 205 S, 3rd fastest PV.
• 1:05:45
  Yeah, it was either him or the guessy I suppose, but I'll go my
• 1:05:50
  man Vincent for the win and then all But yeah, nothing.
• 1:05:55
  That's still a fair, fair shout. And then I think correct for the
• 1:06:00
  Aussie men's, I think he's probably the best, He's the most
• 1:06:04
  seasoned runner. He's fit.
• 1:06:07
  Like he has posted all of his work on his latest training on
• 1:06:11
  Strava and he's just getting fitter and fitter.
• 1:06:13
  Like I know when he ran 62 minutes in Maragami, I don't
• 1:06:17
  think he was sort of just kind of you've had a pretty
• 1:06:19
  interrupted 2025 with like missing out in the Olympics and
• 1:06:24
  being a bit injured and whatnot. Sorry, 2024.
• 1:06:27
  So I think he's only getting fitter, and you can see that in
• 1:06:30
  a lot of his races. Like, I know Gold Coast maybe
• 1:06:32
  didn't quite go to plan, but I think he's getting fitter all
• 1:06:34
  the time. I think you mentioned on some of
• 1:06:36
  his podcasts about even some of the training devices he uses,
• 1:06:39
  giving him positive feedback around your fitness, which I
• 1:06:41
  think are not perfect, but directionally helpful.
• 1:06:44
  So I think he's in shape. And so, yeah, that's my tip for
• 1:06:49
  the men's. And then I find it very hard to
• 1:06:52
  go past if on like, yeah, I don't know, even the only thing
• 1:06:57
  that I think will create some variability.
• 1:06:59
  And it's the same with like New York or Boston.
• 1:07:02
  It's so hilly, like Sydney. So for context, like when we ran
• 1:07:05
  Ballarat Ryan, that was 98 meters of elevation for the 42
• 1:07:10
  KS. I think they were quite happy to
• 1:07:13
  report that it was less than 100 meters.
• 1:07:15
  I'm pretty sure New York's about 2:40 or 2:45 and New York's
• 1:07:19
  hilly, you know, when it's going like in and out of all the
• 1:07:21
  boroughs and through Central Park, like it's got hills.
• 1:07:25
  And then but Sydney I think is like it used to be when I did it
• 1:07:29
  2023, it's like 365. And I think maybe they've
• 1:07:32
  reduced the elevation to a bit, but like by a bit, but not by a
• 1:07:35
  lot. So it's like it's the hilliest
• 1:07:37
  world major. So that must create some form of
• 1:07:41
  I think maybe you have to check Boston, but I assume it is.
• 1:07:44
  So I don't know. I just think that creates some
• 1:07:46
  variability. So I think the weather might be
• 1:07:49
  better than what it because it's not in like the throes of
• 1:07:53
  spring, but that might do something.
• 1:07:55
  But anyway, I'm just hedging my bets there by saying maybe
• 1:07:58
  something won't happen, but I can't look past Shifan Hassan
• 1:08:01
  and then I will go Leanne Pompiani for the women's.
• 1:08:05
  So we've got the try factor in the women's and between us.
• 1:08:10
  I also thought it's worth mentioning like Sam Clifford,
• 1:08:13
  like them, not them trying to change my pick, but I'm just
• 1:08:16
  kind of adding context maybe to some listeners who might not
• 1:08:19
  have followed so closely. Like he's making his debut.
• 1:08:22
  So really keen to see how that goes.
• 1:08:25
  Fraser Darcy being like, naturally a marathon, a mountain
• 1:08:29
  runner and like, really strong on the hills, like intrigued to
• 1:08:32
  see how high up he can finish and how much he can use that to
• 1:08:36
  his strength. And then like, Reese Edwards and
• 1:08:39
  Tom Dicanto are always there thereabouts as well.
• 1:08:41
  And Liam Adams, it's seemed like his first marathon in a little
• 1:08:45
  while. So there's like a million
• 1:08:48
  different narratives going on at once.
• 1:08:50
  I think for Sam Clifford, it's going to be so hard.
• 1:08:53
  Like I think I heard him on the he was on somewhat a podcast and
• 1:08:56
  I feel like he wasn't that glued into his like nutrition and all
• 1:09:00
  that sort of stuff. I don't know, I just I think it
• 1:09:02
  came across like that and like to nail your very first
• 1:09:05
  marathon, especially being like Sydney and all home crowd, like
• 1:09:10
  I feel like it's such a big ask for him to like to hit one out
• 1:09:14
  of the park and like I wouldn't put it past them.
• 1:09:15
  But if he if just put something like if he actually does run
• 1:09:19
  like let's say a sub 210 or whatever, like that's
• 1:09:21
  incredible. Yeah, I know what you mean.
• 1:09:23
  Like it sounds bad to say it, but perhaps a little bit of
• 1:09:27
  naivety in there and like your debut and stuff, it does take,
• 1:09:30
  it's going to take a couple to figure it out.
• 1:09:32
  And I mean, who knows, maybe you'll get a perfect run and
• 1:09:35
  everything will align and he has a great one.
• 1:09:38
  But chances are, in your first marathon, you're going to kind
• 1:09:40
  of have to figure something out on you.
• 1:09:43
  Like even have to for example, like he ran so well in Marigami
• 1:09:48
  you would have put your house in them just like run a super fast
• 1:09:52
  marathon, but like you're only halfway.
• 1:09:56
  Like in that when you hit the halfway right?
• 1:09:59
  Like it's yeah, it's it's a total different animal than the
• 1:10:03
  half marathon. So it'd be a big ask, but
• 1:10:06
  hopefully he he does do well. What do you reckon time wise?
• 1:10:09
  First, Aussie men and women. The men like, what did Brett run
• 1:10:16
  to when you ran against them, Dean?
• 1:10:18
  Not far. He was 30 seconds ahead of me.
• 1:10:20
  We were like 223. It was like 30°.
• 1:10:25
  What they were? Would they run like to like?
• 1:10:29
  I don't know. I reckon like 2-12 maybe.
• 1:10:32
  I can't see anyone the winner. Yeah, I can't.
• 1:10:35
  Like I think they go what did Tom Dicanto his first Aussie
• 1:10:39
  last year maybe in like 217. Yeah, like everyone's going to
• 1:10:42
  be watching Kipchoge and Kipchoge doesn't like Hells
• 1:10:45
  clearly from Paris. And so like I even think if they
• 1:10:49
  run let's say 208 like the closest.
• 1:10:53
  Aussies. The closest Aussies going to be
• 1:10:55
  like 7 or 8 minutes behind them. Be realistic.
• 1:10:58
  So yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what though, Like that
• 1:11:01
  Olympic marathon in Paris, like as almost threw the rule book
• 1:11:05
  out for me because that was hyped as like hills gonna
• 1:11:09
  absolutely destroy them and what, they ran like 2-7 or
• 1:11:12
  something like insane. Didn't they?
• 1:11:14
  That was insane. And so I did the US cars, didn't
• 1:11:16
  they? Too, right?
• 1:11:18
  And and the women was the exact same the next day like they ran
• 1:11:21
  relatively quick considering the course.
• 1:11:23
  So I don't know, I'm going to say 210 for Brett or the winner
• 1:11:29
  of the Australians and for the women like Jess proved, because
• 1:11:32
  my pick's Jess, she proved herself in Paris to be really
• 1:11:36
  good and strong over the hills. So I'm going to say a 224.
• 1:11:41
  No way. I'll go, I'll go 213 to 29.
• 1:11:49
  You'll think they'll run 213 the women.
• 1:11:52
  No, sorry. 213 for the fastest Aussie man 220 Yeah. 229 fast
• 1:11:58
  Aussie lady. Yeah, I think around that like
• 1:12:01
  no far. Like if they run 225, holy moly.
• 1:12:03
  Yeah, I don't think, I think yeah, close to 2:30.
• 1:12:07
  That would break I think the Australian all comers record I
• 1:12:10
  think, which is from Perth. What's the weather looking like?
• 1:12:13
  Good question. Because like normally once you
• 1:12:16
  go uphill, you do have to go downhill.
• 1:12:17
  So like, yeah, like my 5K on Friday, like there is a big
• 1:12:24
  uphill, but like there's a lot of downhill.
• 1:12:26
  So it sort of equals out normally.
• 1:12:28
  It's that, yeah, it's pretty lovely actually.
• 1:12:29
  To be honest, the weather looks beautiful, so the the weather
• 1:12:33
  shouldn't be too much of an issue.
• 1:12:34
  It's just the just getting over the hills.
• 1:12:36
  And yes, Paris was 420 meters and they absolutely blitzed it.
• 1:12:40
  So they 436. So yeah.
• 1:12:43
  So excited to recap that next week and we'll, we'll also have
• 1:12:47
  the Perth city to surf, which is on on Sunday as well.
• 1:12:50
  Like the is it the biggest race in Perth relatively in terms of
• 1:12:55
  like participants? And stuff.
• 1:12:56
  Or it used to be, but the HBF run for a reason probably rivals
• 1:13:00
  it now and so does the Perth Running Festival.
• 1:13:02
  So, but certainly, yeah, let's say 5 pre COVID, it might it
• 1:13:07
  probably it would have been. Yeah, one of the major events on
• 1:13:11
  the calendar still. And for context, like I
• 1:13:14
  definitely would not have known this prior to coming to
• 1:13:17
  Australia, what cities to surf means.
• 1:13:19
  But I mean, if you break it down, doesn't take a genius.
• 1:13:22
  You run from the city at the start point and it finishes at
• 1:13:27
  the surf, which is like on the coast at the beach and they have
• 1:13:31
  them in, I don't know about every city, but most major
• 1:13:34
  cities across Australia, they have their own version of cities
• 1:13:37
  to surf. So Perth's one is 12 K and it
• 1:13:41
  starts up a massive hill straight away I think, doesn't
• 1:13:45
  it? That can kind of separate the
• 1:13:47
  men from the boys or the ladies from the girls there straight
• 1:13:50
  away. I think our man here was
• 1:13:53
  actually second last year. Yeah, it's like it's in your
• 1:13:57
  head, like running from the city to the beach.
• 1:13:59
  Yeah, it's a great idea. But like, logistically, like I
• 1:14:03
  had to warm up in my race shoes. I had to buy cheap shit in
• 1:14:08
  freaking Kmart and just like leave them to some like homeless
• 1:14:12
  man Never enough. He was actually chuffed just to
• 1:14:15
  warm up in because it was cold. Like I had to bring a banana and
• 1:14:17
  a bottle of water in my hand to warm up with, Um, because to get
• 1:14:22
  back into the city, like it's an actual nightmare.
• 1:14:25
  Um, but yeah, it was like that. Perth 1 is a tough course, it's
• 1:14:28
  very heavy. Yeah.
• 1:14:29
  So I think it's about 160 meters, which if we go
• 1:14:33
  conversion to the marathon, that's 560 meters for a
• 1:14:38
  marathon. So, yeah, nearly up in Paris.
• 1:14:41
  So it, yeah, packs a punch, doesn't it?
• 1:14:43
  There's a lot of hills. Shame we don't have elite start
• 1:14:47
  lists here or at least like the start list.
• 1:14:49
  So we could kind of preview that and pick a winner because I know
• 1:14:52
  for a lot of a lot of our listeners are obviously Perth
• 1:14:55
  based as well. So they'll be familiar with the
• 1:14:57
  names. But we'll we'll do it on the
• 1:14:59
  results roundup next week anyway.
• 1:15:01
  So next item on the agenda is Connor Mance Boys said I was
• 1:15:06
  listening to a podcast with him the other day and I think you'll
• 1:15:09
  find this interesting that he stayed in the alpha ones for a
• 1:15:13
  while after the the three was released.
• 1:15:16
  But then he's somewhat recently transitioned to the three now.
• 1:15:20
  He said he didn't like them at first, but then he's done some
• 1:15:24
  efficiency testing on on the treadmill in them and they have
• 1:15:28
  came out better for them than the ones.
• 1:15:30
  Yeah, I struggle to get my head around that.
• 1:15:32
  I still like the ones. No, I'm a kind of man's ones are
• 1:15:35
  pooey. Don't like them, they get me
• 1:15:37
  blisters. The ones or the tooth?
• 1:15:41
  I've the ones, I think. Yeah, the ones.
• 1:15:44
  The five ones. Yeah, don't you dare offend
• 1:15:46
  Dean's baby like that. I can't believe you're talking
• 1:15:49
  so poorly about. If you throw me, if you send me
• 1:15:52
  300 Aussie dollars, I'll ship them up over to you.
• 1:15:56
  You might be. You might have me.
• 1:16:00
  I've taught like all this efficiency testing, like I feel
• 1:16:04
  like unless they're running like the marathon distance in these
• 1:16:08
  tests, like you don't really know how the shoes going to
• 1:16:11
  respond after like when you're at 30K, like it might be so bad
• 1:16:15
  for your form. It might you might bottom it out
• 1:16:17
  or whatever. I don't know.
• 1:16:18
  So, yeah, fair enough. It might be good.
• 1:16:20
  Like in the early stages of a test when your body is so fresh
• 1:16:24
  and everything is firing. But when it comes to like 30 K,
• 1:16:28
  yeah, I don't know, Like, I hate all these like super soft shoes.
• 1:16:32
  And I was listening to Tom Dicano.
• 1:16:34
  He was on a podcast there and, umm, I really related to it.
• 1:16:38
  Like he's on about like the rebound.
• 1:16:41
  So he prefers the Paris ASIC Paris edge or something over the
• 1:16:48
  new one because he feels that he hits the ground like super hard
• 1:16:54
  and the foam. He doesn't like base the
• 1:16:56
  rebound. And I sort of felt that way in
• 1:16:58
  the alpha fly one. I felt like it was sort of do
• 1:17:01
  you know when you're on a trampoline and you're jumping
• 1:17:03
  and you like sort of jump when it's coming up and you go
• 1:17:06
  nowhere? I feel like it's something like
• 1:17:09
  that. Umm, look, I'm probably talking
• 1:17:12
  waffle here now, but yeah, I don't know.
• 1:17:14
  Yeah, no, no, that's good feedback.
• 1:17:17
  Yeah, I can totally relate to those feelings.
• 1:17:19
  Like I think you got to find one that feels because you're
• 1:17:21
  trading weight and and responsiveness, I think, aren't
• 1:17:24
  you like with a lot of these shoes, like you want to find the
• 1:17:28
  lightest weight shoe, but then you want the most responsive
• 1:17:31
  shoe you can find between that and one that sort of Oh no, for
• 1:17:34
  me still, I'll fly 1 still feels like I get the most out of any
• 1:17:37
  shoe. I tried the is it Zirconi?
• 1:17:40
  What, what, what what do they have?
• 1:17:42
  Forget the name of that shoe. Endorphin Elise or something
• 1:17:46
  like that. Did that that that have you
• 1:17:48
  compressed those? That's yeah, like that that that
• 1:17:52
  for me feels like I'm about to do a calf because it's just too
• 1:17:54
  much too soft. But.
• 1:17:57
  Like you really need to like like some of them like telling
• 1:18:01
  your mom Ben Felton, the running YouTube, he's got the like the
• 1:18:04
  royalty of like he literally like gets every shoe for free so
• 1:18:08
  he can choose whatever 1 he wants.
• 1:18:10
  But like, it's so hard for let's say the average person because
• 1:18:14
  the shoes are so expensive and you can only tell so much by
• 1:18:17
  walking around a shop in them. And the plate, like the drop and
• 1:18:21
  where the plates are, is all different.
• 1:18:23
  So depending on how you hit each shoe, very different I think for
• 1:18:26
  each person. And I feel like the brands
• 1:18:28
  aren't helping it like the likes of ASIC bringing out them that
• 1:18:32
  edge in Paris and saying 1 is for like cadence runners and
• 1:18:37
  others for stride runners. It's just confusing everyone.
• 1:18:40
  And like they're after bringing out two more shoes like the
• 1:18:41
  Sonic Blast and the Mega Blast or something like that.
• 1:18:45
  And it's just like, I don't even know where you'd fit them in the
• 1:18:48
  rotation. Like there's no need for all
• 1:18:50
  these shoes. It's.
• 1:18:51
  Yes, you know, I don't like every time that they drop a new
• 1:18:58
  pair of super shoes or any shoe for that matter.
• 1:19:01
  Hindsight's never a thing. So like now when you look back
• 1:19:04
  on previous iterations of shoes, we'll say like they'll fly to
• 1:19:08
  was shift and this and that. But at the time when each shoe
• 1:19:11
  is released, it's always the next best thing because it gets
• 1:19:14
  marketed to high heaven. It gets given to all the
• 1:19:16
  influencers for free who will happily come on and say like,
• 1:19:20
  oh, the shoes amazing. Like I just done my best session
• 1:19:23
  ever in it. So you're like you sold by at
• 1:19:26
  the time and then you have to unfortunately go and find out
• 1:19:28
  that maybe it's not the next best thing.
• 1:19:30
  And I know they wouldn't be releasing them unless they
• 1:19:32
  genuinely believe that, but it's a frustrating process to find
• 1:19:35
  out. Expensive.
• 1:19:37
  But yeah, anyway, the next item agenda is New York City elite
• 1:19:42
  fields were released during the week.
• 1:19:44
  I think it was so under women's. It seems like they have a
• 1:19:48
  similar lineup every year in that Sharon Lucchetti and Helen
• 1:19:52
  O'berry go head to head here. When is New York?
• 1:19:55
  I think it's in November, so we got Sydney, Berlin, Chicago, New
• 1:20:00
  York. So September is worlds, so then
• 1:20:04
  October, so it's in November, you said?
• 1:20:06
  November. Thank you Do.
• 1:20:07
  You like that it's not much time for, let's say, like, I know
• 1:20:10
  Fenella McCormick, she's named there like she's doing the
• 1:20:13
  world's. And then to back up to do New
• 1:20:15
  York. It's a lot to ask, yeah.
• 1:20:17
  Then there's there's a lot of American as you would expect
• 1:20:20
  women on here. So you've got got Emily Sisson,
• 1:20:22
  Sarah Hall, Molly Sydell and then Alish Mccolgan's in there
• 1:20:27
  as well. Jess Warner George is making her
• 1:20:29
  debut. So it seems like there's a
• 1:20:32
  really strong race on the women's side.
• 1:20:33
  And then for the men you've got all sorts.
• 1:20:36
  The headliner being Munyao, who's won London Benson Caputo
• 1:20:41
  2O2 Evans Chibet 2O3 Flat Abdeen, a gay European record
• 1:20:46
  holder 2O four Pat Tienen, Australian who's based in
• 1:20:50
  America. He seems just to like in terms
• 1:20:53
  of the Australian scene domestically, like the so
• 1:20:55
  accessible and we know what they're all doing.
• 1:20:57
  We know what the coaching setups are about.
• 1:21:00
  Pat in and I mean, obviously he went to college over there and
• 1:21:03
  he's just kind of integrated his life over there and he just does
• 1:21:06
  his own thing. So fair play to him, but you
• 1:21:09
  don't really hear that much from him.
• 1:21:11
  That Puma group in general, it's very hush hush.
• 1:21:15
  And then there's a few exciting debutant here as well, Hilary
• 1:21:18
  Bohr, Paddy Diva and Charles Hicks.
• 1:21:21
  I was going to say both British, but I'm not sure if Charles
• 1:21:24
  Hicks has changed his allegiance to American by now.
• 1:21:26
  And then Joe Clecker, the American 10,000 meter guy is
• 1:21:30
  making his debut. So a couple of ones to watch.
• 1:21:33
  There's also Johnny Mellor, who's actually born and raised
• 1:21:37
  where I am in the world. 209 guy is in there.
• 1:21:40
  So marathon season is upon us, guys.
• 1:21:43
  It's exciting. I love the idea like like you
• 1:21:46
  look at them fields and you're like, Oh my God, can't wait to
• 1:21:48
  watch it. And then you actually sit down
• 1:21:49
  to watch it and for like the first hour, for like first hour
• 1:21:52
  and 45 minutes, you're like, I'm after wasting this time, I'll
• 1:21:56
  never get a bike. The worst part for us watching
• 1:21:59
  most of these is you fall asleep in the first hour because
• 1:22:02
  they're on that night. Yeah, but that's good.
• 1:22:05
  I realized before I skipped past training weeks for you both, so
• 1:22:09
  I guess we should do that now. Only if you want to indulge just
• 1:22:12
  right. Well come on, use stars of the
• 1:22:16
  show in terms of easy double talent.
• 1:22:18
  So I need to upsell you, don't I?
• 1:22:21
  I'm barely holding on. Same.
• 1:22:24
  I'm on the. Wind, then I'm falling apart.
• 1:22:27
  I'll start off. So we can make it a quick one,
• 1:22:30
  yeah. I really haven't done much this
• 1:22:33
  week. Monday I done so I was coming
• 1:22:36
  off the race, so Monday I just done 45 easy with a few sprints.
• 1:22:42
  Tuesday I done 2 by 10 minutes at LT1 and then finished off
• 1:22:49
  with 12 by 1 minutes off 32nd float and again I didn't bother
• 1:22:54
  doing any lactates, just pure feel but I felt like the body
• 1:22:58
  was sort of coming back after the race.
• 1:23:00
  Wednesday, 75 minutes in the morning and this is when I was
• 1:23:05
  jogging and I drive on all these like back country roads that
• 1:23:10
  they're not that busy, but a van drove by me.
• 1:23:14
  And I have this irrational fear of when I'm running that when a
• 1:23:18
  car drives BA past like a stone is going to flick up and like
• 1:23:21
  chip my tooth. I don't know why.
• 1:23:23
  It's like every time I like car drives by, I like, I like clench
• 1:23:26
  my mouth, but doesn't a van drive by and a stone absolutely
• 1:23:29
  nails my shin. So yeah, like it wasn't sore.
• 1:23:33
  I was just like what the hell? So yeah, that evening done
• 1:23:37
  circuits Thursday done just 90 minutes, chilling easy.
• 1:23:42
  And then that evening I done a heavyweight session Friday,
• 1:23:46
  rest. Yesterday I had like my sort of
• 1:23:49
  fast session of the week. So it was 3 by a mile and then I
• 1:23:53
  had they were off 2 minutes 30 seconds and then I had 4 by 200
• 1:23:58
  meters after. What were the miles in?
• 1:24:00
  Yeah, so it was a blow up. So the first one was in 60
• 1:24:07
  sevens, so I think it was like 430 or something like that.
• 1:24:11
  But on the last lap I could feel like that sort of lactate
• 1:24:14
  building up on my arms. That's that for me is it Like I
• 1:24:18
  don't often. I know that feeling, but it's
• 1:24:21
  not often. I I know I'm pushed when I feel
• 1:24:25
  that, you know, and it's normally light in a workout.
• 1:24:28
  So if you're feeling that after your first Rep, yeah.
• 1:24:31
  That. Trouble.
• 1:24:32
  Yeah, you're swimming. You're swimming in lactate.
• 1:24:34
  But like it felt all right, like it didn't feel too hard, but I
• 1:24:38
  just knew that like another two reps of this is going to be
• 1:24:41
  hard. So yeah, started the second Rep,
• 1:24:44
  I hit like a 67 and I was like OK, so then I got like 686970 or
• 1:24:51
  something like that. And then the last Rep I was sort
• 1:24:54
  of just hanging on. But you know, like, so that's
• 1:24:56
  like 823 K pace, right? Yeah.
• 1:24:59
  That's your PB. That's PB 3K pace you've just
• 1:25:03
  run for the first mile. Yeah, so I knew it was a big
• 1:25:07
  ask. So that and like, well, I've
• 1:25:10
  found it off the second one. It was like, oh, I think I got
• 1:25:13
  697071 and then 69 but M like it was just painful and like yeah,
• 1:25:19
  I don't know, I was just tired and you know, I didn't really
• 1:25:22
  have that willingness to like hurt myself if you get me to
• 1:25:26
  like dig deep. I just didn't have it in me and
• 1:25:29
  like I done to 200 stand in like 29302920 or something like that.
• 1:25:35
  But umm, like at the end of the session you're like, oh, it was
• 1:25:39
  a shit session. Like I didn't hit the splits.
• 1:25:41
  You're sort of like annoyed at yourself.
• 1:25:43
  But I was on the phone to my coach after and he was like,
• 1:25:45
  look, Owen, like it was an alright session.
• 1:25:48
  And realistically I would have given you a break after the 5K
• 1:25:53
  and it's only for like my like local club 5K.
• 1:25:56
  And it's like, good to do that for your club.
• 1:25:58
  But yeah, like I've done a lot to get myself like back into
• 1:26:03
  this shape and like a relatively short space of time.
• 1:26:05
  Like I think I just need a break.
• 1:26:07
  So like come next Friday, like I'll take seven days off.
• 1:26:10
  Well, I like, I'll run like every second day or something
• 1:26:12
  like that. Just a 30 minute jog.
• 1:26:14
  Yeah. So was this like a priming
• 1:26:15
  session ahead of the 5K? Was that the purpose of it so?
• 1:26:19
  It was like my last hit out. Yeah.
• 1:26:21
  So like you needed to do something at ideally at or above
• 1:26:25
  race intensity to sort of get familiar with what you're about
• 1:26:29
  to do, right. So it's sort of like great
• 1:26:31
  training and that intensity like 67 seconds compared to like
• 1:26:36
  that, which is almost like all out three K peso that's pretty
• 1:26:39
  quality. So even if you're one or two
• 1:26:41
  seconds above that, that's still moving, but hard to
• 1:26:44
  contextualize given you're it's not the national 5K next week.
• 1:26:48
  So like, how do you go all in when you're very hard to get
• 1:26:52
  your head around that really when you've just had nationals
• 1:26:55
  and you've just had the excitement of that, Like it's
• 1:26:57
  sort of a bit of a strange buzz. Yeah.
• 1:27:00
  And like, it's hard like, to do that session by yourself, like
• 1:27:03
  to like push them 67 laps and like, yeah, I think I'm just
• 1:27:07
  mentally tired as well. So I'm sort of looking forward
• 1:27:10
  to like a total deload and like just not thinking about running
• 1:27:14
  at all for like a little while. Yeah.
• 1:27:16
  But yeah, like 100. Then this morning I done M60
• 1:27:19
  minutes with like a 15 minute pickup at the end and the pickup
• 1:27:24
  I think I was between like 350 and like 320 and like a daily
• 1:27:28
  training shoe like and I felt good.
• 1:27:30
  It's just I, I really struggle with anything past like I can
• 1:27:34
  hit a 400 in like a 6065 whatever and I feel good.
• 1:27:39
  It's just after that, like it's 800 reps I just hate 800 reps I
• 1:27:45
  just cannot do them. And I just, I'm really bad at
• 1:27:48
  like like in my head I'm really bad at like tolerating the
• 1:27:50
  lactate. Like I can't get rid of it or I,
• 1:27:53
  I don't know. But like, yeah, you have them
• 1:27:55
  sessions and still 112 kilometers for the week.
• 1:27:57
  So yeah, I'm all right. I'll get over it.
• 1:28:00
  Had you? Had bicarb prior to that.
• 1:28:02
  No, I don't. And that's another thing in my
• 1:28:05
  back, my head, I'm like, am I becoming too like for the races?
• 1:28:08
  I take it like, is my body like needing that bicarbonate to sort
• 1:28:11
  of like help deal with the build up of yeah, sometimes you just
• 1:28:15
  think too much into this sort of stuff and I don't know.
• 1:28:18
  Even in any case, you probably are better off doing as you say
• 1:28:21
  in there and like just and bearing through the sessions if
• 1:28:24
  you run a couple of seconds slower pair lap rather than
• 1:28:28
  getting too accustomed and happened to have bicarb like
• 1:28:31
  mentally if not physically to do a track session.
• 1:28:34
  Like, you don't really want to go down that road, do you?
• 1:28:37
  No, like, like it wasn't the best session, but it wasn't like
• 1:28:39
  the worst session either. Like it's not the end of the
• 1:28:41
  world. So look, just get me to next
• 1:28:43
  Friday. My week I was sort of like
• 1:28:47
  coming off the back of some pain in that pubic area.
• 1:28:50
  So like what's it called like like a sports hernia and some
• 1:28:55
  sort of like pubic synthesis pain.
• 1:28:57
  So I was sort of thinking that I'd end up just be jogging
• 1:29:02
  rather than doing workouts. So Monday I ran to work, then
• 1:29:06
  ran from work to on the gym on the way home.
• 1:29:10
  So just did a gym workout, like a 40 minute gym routine on my
• 1:29:14
  way home which was good. Tuesday just jogging in the I
• 1:29:21
  went for a jog in the morning and then on the treadmill.
• 1:29:24
  It was quite wet so I avoided the wet weather set indoors.
• 1:29:29
  What treadmill do you have? A pre call or something?
• 1:29:33
  There's a guy over in Melbourne who refurbs like fairly decent
• 1:29:38
  spec, like gym treadmills, like older gym treadmills and he like
• 1:29:43
  he ships it over and you have to put it together.
• 1:29:46
  But like it's quite, it goes up to like 25 KS an hour, goes up
• 1:29:50
  however many percent, goes down 3% like it does all it needs to
• 1:29:53
  and it's pretty sturdy. What motor is in it?
• 1:29:55
  Well, if it goes up 25 kilometers an hour, there's a
• 1:29:57
  pretty big motor in it because that's no, I swear, because you
• 1:30:03
  can lad, I've this is what my life is now.
• 1:30:05
  I like looking into treadmills and you can get them that are
• 1:30:07
  like 2.5 horsepower or three or like 4.5.
• 1:30:13
  And realistically you want a strong MO or like a lot of the
• 1:30:18
  treadmills just go to like 20 kilometers an hour, which is
• 1:30:20
  like 3 minute kilometer pace, I think.
• 1:30:22
  And so if you want to do ever like like I'm hoping I get to
• 1:30:25
  the stage where that feels like somewhat A relatively nice pace,
• 1:30:29
  but umm, so I sort of want to get one that can go faster.
• 1:30:32
  But when you want to go faster, you need a stronger motor to
• 1:30:35
  like deal with like the force you're putting through it and
• 1:30:38
  all. And obviously with that
• 1:30:40
  increases the price. So I'm Hemming and harm between
• 1:30:43
  like sort of taking out a loan and like buying a relatively
• 1:30:47
  decent treadmill that will do me or like going for like a second
• 1:30:50
  hand one that has like sort of a large enough motor in it.
• 1:30:54
  It's yeah, there's a lot more to which I didn't realize that.
• 1:30:56
  Yeah, the one I've got like is like had done like a heap of
• 1:31:00
  case in a gym Once Upon a time, but the actual quality of it,
• 1:31:04
  like it's able to go fast enough, which is what I wanted.
• 1:31:07
  Like I didn't want something that I can't do top speed work
• 1:31:10
  or strides and stuff in. So yeah, I'd go down that path
• 1:31:14
  of trying to find a good second hand one that has all the that's
• 1:31:17
  fast enough and not but yeah, in the afternoon.
• 1:31:21
  So jogging the treadmill in the morning on Tuesday and then I
• 1:31:24
  just did an hour steady. So sort of 350 to 355 pace.
• 1:31:32
  I'm sort of not getting much pain in that sort of like where
• 1:31:37
  the light sight of the original injury is, but I'm just sort of
• 1:31:40
  getting a bit of general pubic pain.
• 1:31:41
  So just trying to moderate what I'm doing with my steady runs.
• 1:31:45
  But I've sort of given the old clear by physio to at least just
• 1:31:48
  jogging steady runs for the week.
• 1:31:50
  Wednesday, just one easier run and physio Thursday too easy,
• 1:31:59
  Sorry, easy run to the office. And then I ran to the workout
• 1:32:03
  and then just did AI wanted to do 3 laps around Lake Mungo.
• 1:32:06
  Like when the guys there's a couple of guys doing a steady
• 1:32:08
  run, but it was just sort of the pain was sort of getting a
• 1:32:11
  little bit higher and I just didn't want to.
• 1:32:13
  I didn't want to re get I'm not sort of backing off, not doing
• 1:32:16
  workouts and I'm not getting any better.
• 1:32:17
  So I just did a couple of laps steady 345 pace and just called
• 1:32:23
  it there before this sort of started to get sore again.
• 1:32:26
  And then Friday, just a couple of easy jogs till from the
• 1:32:29
  office. Saturday jogged down and did
• 1:32:31
  another steady run, just another steady hour, 4 minute pace just
• 1:32:36
  with a mate. And then this morning got up and
• 1:32:38
  did 2 1/2 hours easy, so 145 or 146 KS for the week.
• 1:32:46
  Just mainly jogging and a bit of steady running in amongst that.
• 1:32:50
  I feel like the pain's trending down, which is good.
• 1:32:52
  So hoping that in another week or so this sort of settled down
• 1:32:56
  enough so I can just get back into proper training.
• 1:32:58
  And you're 2 hours thirsty this morning.
• 1:33:00
  Like it kind of feels somewhat OK rather than like you being
• 1:33:04
  majorly concerned like you were on Thursday.
• 1:33:07
  Yeah, sort of like I could feel, I just feel a bit of general
• 1:33:10
  like tightness in my like pelvic like pelvis area, but not not
• 1:33:16
  that same acute pain that I was having in that where the sort of
• 1:33:20
  initial injury was. I feel like I'm just angered the
• 1:33:23
  area. So it's a little bit sensitive,
• 1:33:25
  but like it's like much duller pain than what it was.
• 1:33:28
  So it's definitely getting better.
• 1:33:30
  Be nice if I didn't have any discomfort at all.
• 1:33:33
  But I'm hoping it will settle, continue settling down.
• 1:33:36
  Yeah, that's good. Well, my training comments are
• 1:33:39
  on the back of last week's 220 kilometre cycle.
• 1:33:43
  I was chasing that target and we've got 290 kilometres this
• 1:33:47
  week. Hey, Jake.
• 1:33:51
  Just about yeah. But that's been good fun and no
• 1:33:55
  real update besides that. And guys, this these episodes
• 1:33:59
  are getting longer and the finishing times getting later.
• 1:34:02
  So I think we'll we'll wrap it up because usually Diaries were
• 1:34:06
  somewhat covered off. Just quick shout out to Jake
• 1:34:10
  Smith who had the interview. He done his 5K there last night.
• 1:34:16
  When was a Friday, Saturday, yesterday and he ran at 1343,
• 1:34:21
  which is very, very, very close to it is like his old PB, let's
• 1:34:25
  say. So yeah, it'd be interesting to
• 1:34:27
  see how he goes later on in the year.
• 1:34:28
  Yeah, 5 seconds off he was. So that's a great run.
• 1:34:32
  Nevertheless. I know he'd naturally be
• 1:34:35
  somewhat disappointed because he thought maybe he was in PB
• 1:34:38
  shape, but I mean, 5 seconds is neither here nor there.
• 1:34:41
  When you contextualize it, he pretty much is in PB shape.
• 1:34:44
  So exciting to see him back to it.
• 1:34:46
  And what did he say? He's sort of 13 kilo is
• 1:34:48
  different to when he sort of ran some of those PBS to where he is
• 1:34:51
  now. Is that right?
• 1:34:53
  That's obscene, isn't it? Yeah, so it sort of goes to show
• 1:34:56
  like when you get weight obsessed that it's not like
• 1:34:59
  there's much more. You can be very unhealthy and
• 1:35:01
  very lean, but it's not necessarily going to produce,
• 1:35:04
  you know, your best running performances.
• 1:35:06
  Like he like he's saying he's like, I'm at a sustainable
• 1:35:08
  weight. I'm like stronger than ever.
• 1:35:10
  And now I'm able to do training that I could.
• 1:35:13
  I like he's like, what did I could run for like 5 or 6 weeks
• 1:35:16
  and get injured and now he's like I'm going to he's like I
• 1:35:18
  can keep stacking stuff up. So I don't know.
• 1:35:21
  Very very inspiring story and very like good example for
• 1:35:25
  people to like do running the right way.
• 1:35:29
  Yeah. And like what I got from that
• 1:35:31
  was like a fair enough lighter could mean faster, but you want
• 1:35:36
  to be in the sport like longer if you get me, for like
• 1:35:39
  longevity, like fair enough. You might get light and you
• 1:35:42
  might run a really fast time once, but it's like the
• 1:35:45
  accumulation of training overtime.
• 1:35:47
  So you're better off being healthy and like stacking the
• 1:35:50
  training, you'll see more benefits really.
• 1:35:53
  Yeah, it's actually really nice. To be fair, there's been a lot
• 1:35:55
  of comments on that interview as well.
• 1:35:58
  Like, I don't know if maybe people would just find out
• 1:36:01
  Jake's story, but they're very impressed with kind of like his
• 1:36:03
  attitude and stuff. So I'm glad we've been able to
• 1:36:06
  bring that to the surface. And again, yeah, I appreciate
• 1:36:09
  Jake's time giving it up to us, trusting us to actually have a
• 1:36:13
  chat with them. All right then just a reminder,
• 1:36:15
  Thanks everyone for your uptake in the in the clubhouse.
• 1:36:18
  Have seen that people have been popping in already as we've been
• 1:36:21
  recording this, there's some chat going on in there and I
• 1:36:25
  don't want to speak too soon, but I'm hopeful that we'll,
• 1:36:28
  we'll, we'll have the next interview announcements going on
• 1:36:31
  in there this week. So that will come to the
• 1:36:34
  Clubhouse 1st. And we've got the verbal
• 1:36:37
  confirmation via e-mail, but I don't want to say it until we've
• 1:36:41
  got like the date and stuff locked in.
• 1:36:43
  But let's just say we've all been getting quite giddy around
• 1:36:47
  the prospect of this one. So Clubhouse listeners will hit
• 1:36:50
  care about that clubhouse members rather.
• 1:36:53
  And lastly, I don't know exactly what it does, but it does
• 1:36:57
  something for our visibility or credibility.
• 1:37:00
  So like, if you've enjoyed the the content of the pod, then
• 1:37:03
  just quickly before you press pause and swipe up on your app
• 1:37:07
  gives a five star rating. Please please.
• 1:37:10
  Please. And equally, just going back to
• 1:37:15
  the clubhouse, like if you have your double troubles, you have
• 1:37:17
  your opinions on YouTube Diaries, like get them in there.
• 1:37:20
  This isn't a platform for us to speak to each other.
• 1:37:24
  Like, let's just get it going. It's a safe space to voice your
• 1:37:27
  opinion. Yeah, the just make sure you
• 1:37:31
  read those T's and C's before you sign up because we've
• 1:37:35
  distanced ourselves from all liability from what you might
• 1:37:38
  say. Is there tase and saves?
• 1:37:44
  You haven't even read them. Yeah, we've covered ourselves.
• 1:37:47
  Oh brilliant, that's changes. I read Owen's Phase and Space.
• 1:37:56
  All right, guys. Thanks for another one I'll.
• 1:37:58
  See you next week guys. Ciao you mate.