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• Lynn: Hello and welcome to today's episode of Amelynn's Corner of Chaos. Hi Amelie! Today got something special for you. We were watching the Plus show Battles of Fate we wanted to about that. It's quite... Amelie: Hello, Lynn! Lynn: exciting. I I saw it just randomly on Disney. I hadn't used Disney like in ages and then I saw it and was like what is this and then it presents as this Korean kind of game ⁓ show with contestants and it's with well fate readers, shamans and astrological readers and so on so on and they have to battle against each other in a sense and I just saw this as like-- tarot readers as well. ⁓ What? I need to see this. This could be really good. It could be really bad. How are they going to pull it off? Like, I think this is like a show that people wouldn't pull up, like pull off in the West at all, I think. So I thought, yeah, super intriguing. And then I told everybody you have to watch it. here we are. So we have seen five episodes and we thought, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it is so great. mean, well, ⁓ I Amelie: And I was like, ⁓ my God, this sounds great. So let's do it. Lynn: I think that's really great. I was really impressed like in the first episode already like with I mean with all the contestants there are 49 and you know actually side note here because I thought 49 has to there has to be some significance and I didn't know it so I had to look it up and the significance is that 49 is 7 times 7 And seven times seven is like the death or rebirth cycle like in Southeast Asia. So like when you die or when somebody in your family dies, then you do a cycle of seven times seven days where you like venerate them and give them offerings to help them pass on into the next life. So that is a seven times seven cycle, 49. So it's like, ooh, I did not know this. Yeah. Amelie: Interesting. Interesting. That's really interesting actually. didn't think about it because I forgot how many there were from the beginning, but they were just coming out, coming out of the door. Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. No, I was like, I mean, why is it 49? And also I started asking questions. It must be, there must be a reason. And then I found a reason. No, but this first episode is really cool. Yeah. Amelie: So now it's At first, I thought, like, kind of show is this? Because I remember back in the day, they used to have, I don't know if it was a UK show, I'm sure they had it in America as well, they used to have these shows where, like, have to, they were testing them. So they kind of like put them on the stage and then, you know, they ⁓ weren't them with like, how many fingers do I hold? Lynn: Mm. Right. ⁓ Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Mm. Amelie: behind my, you know, like just stupid things like this. And it was almost a little bit like ridiculing them rather than like testing them. It was like really stupid things. Like why would a medium want to know how, like how many fingers you have behind your back or like very like silly things. But I think it was an old show, you know, like think early nineties or so it was, these shows did exist. So up to my... Lynn: Mmm, yeah. Yeah. Mm. Mm. Mmm, yeah. Amelie: Like, is it something like this? But then it was a battle and it's not anything like this. If anyone thinks that it could be something like this, it is really not. This is actually... Lynn: Yeah. No. No, I mean, yeah, it's more it's like they take it serious like over there. And this is like really where the where the difference is, because the culture in Southeast Asia is still so much very, very much alive. They still have the traditional shamans that are respected. mean, I guess like everywhere there's going to be people who are skeptical and there's going to be people who don't believe in it. But like a majority or like a big part of them, of the people do still use, you know, Fate readers, so like shamans, tarot readers, and they do take it quite seriously, the people do. it's like, already start more like, you're coming in with an angle of like respect and not ridicule, even though like maybe skepticism. mean, one of those testers or Reapers of Fate, call them in the beginning, she's also like, I'm a skeptic. I don't believe in what you do. It's the first thing she says, but then stuff happens and she's just like, ⁓ Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: But I found it really impressive, like what kind of people they invited and they're having like that I didn't even know existed. That makes sense to exist, but I didn't know. I ⁓ here we have like the we know that with the gypsies, they do palm readings, for example. But then over there, then they had like a foot reader. So I did the same with like feet lines. It makes sense. But it never occurred to me that another person was like a face reader. And he's just he's like. just have to see somebody's face and then I know their fate and I'm like, it's it's really interesting. Yeah. Also like astrology. I've never looked into that kind of like Asian astrology and I'm really intrigued by now. Like they call it Saju in the South Korean or in Korean ⁓ and and they in like all the elements that we don't do that. And also the and direction, like the wind directions and everything. So it's different than our type astrology and quite impressive as well. Amelie: Yeah, it seems to be like so much more in depth. And what I really liked is that everyone like, so some some of them ⁓ very traditional. So it's like the shamans and ⁓ not not just the shamans, but they they just very traditional and some of them are just very modern, which I really love. I love the contrast. The fact that we live Lynn: Mm. Yes. Amelie: obviously in a world where just because you're a shaman doesn't mean that you have to be dressed like they did like 5,000 years ago. can have a business suit and you can still, ⁓ you have abilities to read. And I ⁓ I just love the fact that it's so accepted. Lynn: Mmm. Mm. Mm. Amelie: accepted because one of the guys he actually works for a company and he does the astrology charts was it for like for for a big company and imagine if we had that I can see that you have this and this and this in your chart no no no you're not going to get promotion Lynn: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. I know, I know. Yeah, or let's not do a meeting today because today is like bad stars or something. No. Yeah. felt like the entrance of everybody is so, so cool. ⁓ both because in the beginning you see mostly like shamans come in and they're like dressed. Most of them are dressed traditionally and that is already like pretty impressive. But you also get people who are like... Amelie: Yeah, yeah. Lynn: he looked like you and me, you know, or like even like in a suit. This first guy, I think that was the guy that you mentioned coming in with like a a suit and little suitcase. And then the others like, hmm. Oh, that guy. Yeah. Also a guy with a Hermes bag. Yeah. There's a different one. Yeah, it's a different it's a different one. But I don't think he's a shaman. What does he do? And he's like, oh, yeah, he's a sad to read. And everyone's like, oh, wow. One thing because I I'm a bit from like I'm a bit familiar with like Japanese shamanism. Amelie: He had this Hermes bag. Maybe I saw two different guys. Lynn: I didn't know anything going into this about Korean shamanism and just like watching the first episode and seeing how they treat each other or how they welcome each other was really interesting to me and also what kind of gadgets they use. like what I caught or what I found so interesting is that apparently and correct me if I'm wrong, it's just I'm just going off from what I saw from the show. But it seems that for the shaman tradition is that they all have like one or two particular spirits or deities that are attached to them that help them in their practice. And there were some occasions where people like the other shamans felt what kind of spirit was attached to a person just by the way they acted. Like there was one guy coming in and he was quite, he was wearing like a traditional dress that usually only women wear. And he was also quite effeminate. So and then, you know, here maybe we would clock him as, maybe, you know, he's queer or something. But here, like people were like, oh, yeah, he has a he has a woman spirit. He is possessed by a woman spirit. And that was just so clear and just so matter of fact that there was just like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's a woman. He's with a woman like a woman. And then these other types, I think they call them fairy fairies, in Korean, it's not the type fairies we do have here, but the charm fairies. And they're like really. Amelie: Yeah. No. Lynn: childish and exuberant and lots of colors and sparkle sort of and then and then they were like yes there's like a child spirit attached to them and that's why they're so you ⁓ i that is so ⁓ intriguing it me of you know we have other cultures and traditions that still or that that do you know honor that like that of way of like being know not like with not being like a particular gender or whatnot like we have the two-spirit people and some indigenous folks as well where they like if you're neither you feel like neither female or male then you have like an extra special place ⁓ in community you're honored and venerated and only these types of people usually would be like shamans so that you know instead of how we have to struggle here in Europe, where it's like a sickness or you're deranged or whatever. And there it's more like the opposite. It's just, you know, you have a particular status. Amelie: Depends how you use it, I guess. Lynn: Yeah, yeah, I guess. Ooh, but any, yeah. Amelie: But I think it's really interesting. The kind of respect as well, the respect people have, you know, it's not straight away like, ⁓ this person is weird. It's more like, special in some kind of way. And it's that kind of respect, which is definitely appreciated. Lynn: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just the fact that they weren't there to... ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but just the fact they weren't there to tear each other down. But, you know, everybody was greeted openly and with curiosity and everybody knew ⁓ everybody else was like highly skilled. ⁓ I know nothing about or little, nothing about like Korean, you know, people either. But, you know, some people came in and they were famous and there was like one charm and everybody knew, ⁓ Amelie: specifically when you have like, when you weird yourself. Lynn: He's a shaman for lot of and probably K-pop idols and what not and actors ⁓ in Korea. So he really famous. ⁓ other shamans there who were famous because they've been shamans since they were children and predicted really big things. I no ⁓ relation so I don't know. But there were a lot of really well-known people there. ⁓ Amelie: I like the kind of admiration some of them had for each other. It wasn't really like, wasn't like they're trying to read them or judge them. It was more like, ⁓ so good at this. ⁓ wow. Like, ⁓ how did you do this? It was very much so like this. Yeah, I like the... Lynn: Mm. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. camaraderie more like. Yeah, yeah. Except the one that I would, the face reader, when they were still coming in and then somebody stood next to him and he was like, think it was a shaman next to him or something. He was like, you have problems with your kidneys, don't you? And then she was like, ⁓ how did you know? It's like, it's in your face. I was unasked for. ⁓ He just her. Yeah. Amelie: Yeah, yeah. Ha ha! Sometimes you have to get it out. Lynn: Yeah, yeah. No, it's a it's a it's a good great mix. There's also like some older there's young people, there's old people. There's also one who says that she reads she reads face just by the name of somebody. And that was it was just her. There's just a single one. ⁓ Yeah, ⁓ she got to speak up. But yeah, anyway, like, ⁓ yeah. So, I mean, going into this, I didn't know how they would pull it off or like how they would do it. Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: I do like the system. ⁓ like they come with a question and we have like four judges and they know the truth. They have like a book where all the things they answer are not all the answers, but most of the answers are written and will then judge the answers they get and then they will say ⁓ who the But it's like we have like in the beginning these 49 people and then we get the first problem, so to speak. And then if you want to present your answer, can. ⁓ click a button and the first seven get a chance to present and then the best one gets to advance to the next round and they were going to cut half of them so only 20 would like go into the next round so that's kind of how they set it up and then obviously quite brutally but there's tarot readers there right and then obviously I mean both you and me we were like Amelie: was quite brutal. Yeah. Lynn: I think, I because I watched the first episodes first and I think you did it later a little bit, but I think we both independently were like, we're gonna get our cards, we're gonna try and do this and play along and see ⁓ we also can get answers. So this is like little bit of what we're gonna talk about, ⁓ not what we've seen in the show, but how we've experienced it review our resource a little bit. ⁓ of the ⁓ thing we ⁓ As terror reader, like, we have to ⁓ do And even Luigi said, we need a show like this. We need to ⁓ go a show like this ourselves. So yeah, was really interesting. Yeah, for the one, the first question. Amelie: Hehehehehe Very interesting. Lynn: There was a question about, we saw a picture of a woman ⁓ her, I think the dates, she was dead. And then the answer was like, how did she die? Like it went straight there. It was like boom. And you're like, what? Yeah. then, and then you was like, okay, I'm just going to try some of my tools. And I tried to it in real, more or less real time. So didn't stop too much and tried to Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: figure it out. And for me, the first question was actually interesting because the cards that I got and I had a flyer and I pulled three cards and I got a flyer as well. And the way that I interpret the cards, I didn't get it. Like, okay, so obviously major spoilers. If you don't want to get spoiled, you need to watch it first and then watch this because we're going to spoiler. Amelie: ⁓ yeah, I didn't even think of that. Lynn: everything with this because we are going to talk about that aspect of does this does it even work or how would it work or what the fuck you know sorry what did we do what did we get on our end not being there either because it's a thing right i mean some people get the energy better when they're in the room where things happen happens but we also know that like a distant it also like certain techniques also work on distance i mean we read tarot for each other although there's a distance between, you know, there's no problem. Or you can also do shamanic journeys for other people while they're not there. Yeah, you can also do a reiki while the person is not there, you know, so it works, but doesn't quite work the same way. Anyway, first question. I did not interpret it correct, but the interesting thing is when I knew the answer and looked at the cards, I was like, it's actually in the cards. But I interpret them from the meaning. But if I'd interpret it from what they looked like, like the images, it was in the cards. I don't know. How was it for you in the first round? Was it obvious? Amelie: like I'm trying to take photos of the cards that I've got. But I don't remember I only like did it for the two. You know what, like I, I just I normally just get a hunch first. And when I first saw the picture, I had to pause it because it they go between like the picture and then obviously to show all these shamans and people like doing stuff so you don't get to see the Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: the person in question for a long time. So it gets a little bit tricky, but the literally the first thing I thought when I saw her face was like mountain. That was like the first. And then I looked at the picture and I thought, it's just, maybe it's just like how the picture was positioned. I thought to myself, like, what do I? Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: what is swaying me maybe it's like the color or something maybe something is swaying me just to think about like mountain so Lynn: I mean they're projected on a stone, right? So it might be, you know, yeah. ⁓ Amelie: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I thought to myself, like, maybe I'm just being swayed. So I thought, like, let's just like, open minded. Like, how did she die? And then I just felt like... I was like, she can't breathe. She can't breathe. Then I was, well, obviously she died. So obviously she can't breathe. I was like ridiculing myself a little bit. But then I was like waiting, like. It went on and on and I just thought to myself, you know what, Amelie, you can't just like think, ⁓ this might be wrong. think about it. So I was like, stick to this mountain thing. If that was the first thing you're, you're, you're kind of like thought about, then just stick with it. And you know, if it's not correct, don't be sad that you didn't get it right because it's just silly. ⁓ might not get it right. ⁓ I stopped by that. Lynn: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Amelie: What cards did you get for her? Lynn: Yeah, for me it's just to play. Yeah, for me it was just playing. I had a flyer. was just trying to get them here so we have some visual cue as well. But I don't find the last one. So I had a flyer for us and the flyer was the four of discs. And I used a soft deck, so just that. important. So I used a soft deck for this here ⁓ and later realized that maybe the Smith... Amelie: Yeah. Yeah, so did I. Lynn: would be easier because it's actually pictures and stuff because it went more pictures I think in general like what I'm seeing and not what I know about the card ⁓ that. ⁓ I had the four of discs. I the two of discs, the nine of wands and the of wands for the other cards. then you know I put my interpretation according to, there we go, according to that ⁓ But then when the reveal came, was like, I was just staring at the cars and then it all made sense because the thing is that she, she fell off a mountain. She was climbing. She was an athlete or she used to be an athlete. She was climbing and then she fell off a cliff. She was climbing alone and they found her later at some point. the thing is that, I not necessarily, I mean, also this one, but the two of discs that I got. In some other decks that I have, they're very much about balance, like a balance act. mean, even in this one, you know, it's like this equilibrium. And another deck I'm using very often is actually guy balancing on the tip of something. And it goes about that. like balance or losing balance. When you look at the Knight of Wands, it's very sloppy and it's very, very, very easy to slide off that horse. just I was, you know, I was like, then The eight of ones, that's all about something that happens really fast, right? And then the four of disks, you know, I was going for too much to like, it's something with four, like a car or something, I know. But the four of disks is one of Bird's perspective. So, I mean, obviously I could just, you know, is very like me just pulling, you know, at in a way, ⁓ but I just looking at it and then. I was like, OK, but maybe I could have interpreted like that as well. So here's Burt's perspective. You're really, really far up on this one if it's your own perspective. Yeah. And then you add to that that you lose balance and you slide fast as well because the Knight of Wands is really fast and the swiftness in that. So was like, interesting. I would never have like interpreted out of the cards. Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: but I could kind of re-engineer it. And that gave me another angle of how to read the cards even. Like it's like, huh, that's interesting. know, be more, yeah, a out, think a bit outside the box. Amelie: Yeah, I did too. And you said, it's nice to have the Smith Deck because it has the depictions. But what I like about the Thoth Deck is that it's not just people because my brain goes to like... So I had this mountain thing my head because I was like, Amelie, you stick with that? ⁓ Because was the first thing that was on my mind. Lynn: Mmm. Mm. Amelie: So I got the Princess of Wands, Ace of Disks, and then Knight of Cups, and then underneath I had Eight of Swords. That's why, like, the Eight of Swords, when I looked underneath, I was like, the breath thing, I was like, those is just obstruction, like a breathing obstruction. Then it felt like, it felt almost like, what's it called? Lynn: Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Amelie: claustrophobic. And then I was like, but she's on the mountain. Like, why would she be claustrophobic? And I was like, Amelie, just go with it. Don't overthink it. because the because of on this is just like you said, with a knight, it's slidy. And I was like, okay, she's sliding down. It's like, it's just basically it's like pictures, no matter what element it is. Lynn: Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. also very slidey yeah yeah the same yeah But also the tiger, yeah you could also see the tiger has around the neck and is dragging her down. It's like a bigger force, you know, pulling her down. Now, imagine if it had been the year of the tiger. I don't remember what year it was, but imagine it had been the year of the tiger or something as well. Or the month of the tiger, or the month of the tiger, because that's like in... ⁓ Amelie: Yes. Yes, and also the princesses. Lynn: I don't remember, I didn't note down when she died. I think it was 92. I'm not entirely sure. And I think it was one of the first months, but the tiger month, I think is April ish. So probably not that I don't know. No, but that would have been like, boo, be mad. Amelie: Yeah, probably not that maybe. Yeah. That would be mad. Yeah, that's that's so true. would be mad. Yeah, I, I of like because what did I say? Yes, the princesses are also like the element of Earth. As in like ⁓ Earth. ⁓ then got the Ace ⁓ of, of Lynn: You Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah. Amelie: And it was like, this kind of looks to me like a hole. I'm like, this is like a hole from the top. if you're sliding down, cause I had mountain in my head, I'm like, this is a mountain. She's sliding down. This is what she sees. And then I had obviously the, the substructure and like, she can't breathe. There's something that's stopping her breath. But then also I got the, the night of cups as well. And when I saw Lynn: Yeah. Mm. Mm. Amelie: this one, I was like this maybe this could be the person that was either with her was like trying to get her or I thought or is the person that found her because of the the cup that is in his hand but then I was like was thinking myself like was she married was she there with a husband was her husband was it not Lynn: Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Amelie: That was a little bit like I just didn't give myself time to overthink it because I just wanted to know the answer. that was my. ⁓ Lynn: you actually yeah Yeah, and in your cards you've got a bunch of wings as well So you could think that she was ⁓ without being able to fly like the ace ⁓ got wings But the ace of discs also has the green wings Yeah, ⁓ peacock wings, yeah There's a lot of the money wings ⁓ Yeah Amelie: Yeah, yes, that's true. Yes, very true. There's different types of wings, matter how you kind of... Interesting. Maybe this was the angel that took her away when she died. Lynn: Interesting. maybe. The ⁓ The of the mountain. Yeah, no. Amelie: The spirit. the handsome night night night of cops. Lynn: Yeah, I know. I didn't. Yes, exactly. So I didn't get it. I didn't get the first. I got some others. So that was actually quite good. I got some others. Didn't get the first one, but it was really it gave the whole thing an entire different spin to actually sit there and try and figure it out yourself and just being like passive and see what the others are doing. Amelie: The knight in the shining armor. Lynn: But I mean that is so impressive to see everybody work. mean the Satcho readers, know, the laptops and putting in the birth date and everything, the death date and the shamans, they are like, I the traditional ones with the fan and the bells and they're just going like, they like the spirits come with sound and with wind. So they're calling them with the bells and then getting the wind, you know, from the fan to ⁓ get different state. And I was so, I mean, just imagining being in that place with like, I don't know, was it maybe 10 or so shamans in there? Or I don't know, don't remember, maybe 10, 12 or so, I don't know. And everybody's just jingling the bells at the same time. You never see that. You don't normally have a gathering of that many readers in one room. I mean, that is packed of energy. Yeah. And then everybody's just playing ding, ding, ding, the fans would be like, ooh. That'd be so intense. would really, yeah, ⁓ amazing. Amelie: think someone even say like, it's so noisy. So it was difficult for them to kind of focus. But then someone also said, I don't care. I just shut it out and like, I'm just focusing on what I'm doing. Lynn: Mmm. Mmm. Yeah, there was the child spirit one, I don't remember her name, but the one in the green one, the like round face. Yeah, her, she said like when for her it's like a noise cancelling when she hears the bells and she's a shaman herself. So she does the bells and at once she hears it. It's just like everything else goes away. And it was one of the fate reapers. So the commentators, I think, said that it's very loud and you can concentrate, but they were also very like, it looked like the feta was very intense. Amelie: yeah, yeah, yeah. Lynn: as well. Yeah. Amelie: Yeah, I mean, gosh, it would be so cool to be in there. And also like the stage as well, the way it looked, absolutely amazing. Lynn: Mmm, it was amazing. Yeah. There's water. Yeah. So they have the kind of like a spiral path in a sense with all these spots where they're standing or later sitting and in the middle like this gigantic moon that have hung up and water running. Yeah. Very lovely. They did a really good job with that to make the scenery. With the second question, I didn't really know how to tackle that because that was like Amelie: Yeah, absolutely. Lynn: We had five people presented and two of them were real shamans and they're all posed as shamans but only two of them are real and they had to figure out who were the real ones. And then all the shamans in the room were like, ⁓ this is easy because we can see it. We just have to look at somebody and we can see. And I mean the show is in because the people are so accurate in what they're really fast and really accurate. It's like it's really, really, really cool. But we're not really talking about that. We're talking more about us. ⁓ How not accurate we were. But I didn't like in a second, OK, so you have five people and you have such limited time because I didn't stop it. mean, I could have stopped it, you know, and just really taken my time and I could have used other tools. But I wanted to challenge myself to just use very little time and see what I would get. So didn't they get 10 minutes and always let this cut out. Amelie: Hahaha Bye! Lynn: in the show. I didn't even allow myself 10 minutes. So maybe I would have gotten it with that. But here it really just put one card per person. And I was like, what can I see out of just one card? And can I see like a system? You know, and the interesting thing is there was a system. I just also again failed to see it. ⁓ had because I had like ⁓ I looked at the cards themselves. And to see, okay, like if I had, for example, gotten the high priestess, you know, then I'd be like, this is a shaman, you know, or anything, or the magician, you know, then I'd be like, okay, this is the shaman. But I didn't get them or even the queen of wands because I connected to very witchy energy. So I'd be like, she would be a shaman, but I didn't get that. I didn't get any wands whatsoever. got, ⁓ got a one, I got one court card, which was the queen of swords. Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: And I got two majors and two minors. So my brain went like, it's probably maybe that then the majors or something. Or, you know, I had two swords, right? So I was like, oh, maybe like maybe it's the swords cards. I knew what it was. It was the two people who had the minors. That that was the shamans in the bunch. And I was like, no, it's to be the majors. I thought I got what was it? I got the devil. and I got the power, think, yeah. Amelie: Do you remember which ones were the shamans? Because I didn't write it down. Lynn: Yes, yeah, number one and number three. Amelie: Yes. Lynn: Mm-hmm and one of the yeah Amelie: Yes. I, I, ⁓ cause I, when I was looking at my cards and what I felt, cause I wrote down number one, cause that, that was my guess, but I didn't write down the next one because, the cards I got was, three swords, ⁓ two wands, seven of swords, 10 of wands and the Herephant. And I thought to myself like, Lynn: Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I also thought one. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Amelie: If there's some kind of algorithm in my cards, I thought like number one, because I was looking, tried to like look at the people and I was like number one, just I could feel like number one that felt, I could feel that there was something, yeah? You could feel something. It's crazy, it was just something with, yeah, could just tell. So maybe we are actually shamans. You just tell with a number one. Lynn: Mm. Yeah, I also felt the one. Yeah, yeah, I also felt the one. Yeah, I was agreeing on the one. Mm-hmm ⁓ Amelie: But then I think I ⁓ because I thought if there was like a system, then I thought maybe it's going to be the swords. So maybe it is. Yeah, exactly. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Yeah, that's what I thought too. Yeah, because I had the four of swords as my first card and I had the queen of swords as the fifth. So I thought, you know, maybe it's the swords because I was pretty, I had this feeling for the thumb of one and I okay, maybe it's the swords, so maybe it's these. But then, you know, I the two majors and I was like, but maybe it's the majors. And then in the middle I had like another, I had the ten of cups. So I didn't see it, you know, but it was like the two that were the miners. Amelie: But I was also swayed away by the five, the fifth one, because that was why I didn't write down what I thought, because I was like, it's either the swords or because I got the herophant. And I thought, why, like, herophant, that would be a shaman. But then I was looking at the people that were there and I couldn't really like 100 % feel it. So was like, do I believe in the cards and just go for it? Or do I? Lynn: Mm-hmm. The harrow fun. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, ⁓ Mm. Mm. Amelie: And then I got sick and tired of staring at them because they were like just flickering by. I was like, okay, number one, that's my guess. And then this or that. So it's quite interesting that we both had number five as a, as a guess. Lynn: You Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. found that some of the approach of some of the shamans there was interesting. I think there were more than one saying that they can feel that, you know, because there are five people and two of them have to pretend not to be shamans and three of them have to pretend to be shamans in a sense, right? ⁓ they were like saying they can feel that the gods or like the spirits, they're like attached to these actual shamans are angry. because they're trying to pretend not to be what they are. So they could feel, OK, here are angry. He's an angry groud. That's an angry granny. And there's an angry grandpa here. And they're really angry. So these two are the shamans. I'm like, oh, yeah. Amelie: Yeah, it's really interesting because they were like straight away. think someone I think it wasn't this one. Someone said straight away. Like that's one, this one. Yeah, it was like. ⁓ So we must be also we like half shamans because we could tell the number one. Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. that those two yeah I think most of the shamans could tell yeah yeah but it's also like mean I am one you know I'm just not a Korean ⁓ I don't I don't count ⁓ Amelie: Exactly. No, but I think, I think in these kind of cases, I think in these kind of cases, just like you said with like with your cards, ⁓ that it's a you get you get the right thing. But I think that where the training lies, I feel is to kind of interpret them in a way or like, somehow. don't know. ⁓ Lynn: Mm. Mmm. Yeah. But also, yeah, but also for me, the training lies in combining all skills together, which I'm not, I'm not doing that. Because I kind of, some things I do, ⁓ some things that are closer, for example, doing tarot and runes, for example, it lies close. ⁓ But don't do ⁓ the work when I do cards, for example. I have, I don't, I haven't there. Amelie: Mm. Lynn: So you know that's something where it's like I could do it but I'm not doing it and then in this case I was also like I'm just gonna use tools I'm not gonna sit there and go like I'm gonna try I'm gonna journey now because I also would need more time more time or it'd be a different approach and my mom said like why don't you why don't you you're a shaman why don't you do it like they do and I'm kind of like because I decided I could try Amelie: We did say that we wanted to the fan and the bells. We need fan and bells. Lynn: It's intimidating though. It would be intimidating. I want the fat. Yeah, I really have a pull to that of like with the air. ⁓ feel that. I think that's something that I would really ⁓ with. Yeah, I want that ⁓ for practice. ⁓ Amelie: Yeah, I really like, do understand this whole like, ⁓ sound, because it has a certain vibration to it. So I ⁓ completely understand this. And like in C answers, yeah, that, ⁓ yeah, that's true. Lynn: ⁓ Yeah, I mean we use the drums, know, yeah, we use drums traditionally. You also have the vibration and the sound, so that's why the sound we use, but I understand, I mean it's a bit easier to carry just small little bells. But am I tuned to the sound of the drum? Amelie: Yeah. And also like with this, with this, with the, the, you're sounding runes as well, it is also different vibrations for each rune. to me, that it just, it makes total sense. It's not crazy at all. Well, I think maybe a lot of people would be like, why would you walk around with bells? But I also thought, uh, I don't know if I'm right, but I think when you do like seances, like let's say like a hundred years ago and they were doing seances, they also had like a bell. Lynn: Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Hmm. Yeah, they did a spirit bell. Yeah, yeah, Not a spirit bell. Yeah. Amelie: or like with it, there's like a spirit. So it makes sense. Totally. Lynn: Yeah, I think sound has been used almost in ways and with like in connection to spirits or... ⁓ What did they use in Egypt? Amelie: Yeah, I mean in Egypt as well, in music and yeah. I mean, the ⁓ frequency and sound in general, and music and singing and like tuning forks and things like that. So it's just like a part. I think it's just a part of every single culture like Lynn: Mm-mm. Mm. Mm. Yeah, mean, they understand without understanding. mean, now like science understands rabbit hole. Science understands with sound and vibration patterns and that sound changes, you know, what it touches. And can see that in water and you can argue that we are like, what is it? 60 % water ⁓ was it 80, 60 %? ⁓ we are so much water. Yeah, think 60. Amelie: Hahaha, yeah. 16. Lynn: We are so much water, would make sense that any vibration of sound would influence us directly. that was also thinking, because if you go on an atomic level, there's of atoms, there's more space than there's actual matter. So and the would also be influenced because they know the air and everything is also be influenced by vibration patterns. So it's really makes so much sense and we have to have an episode about music, I think we will, it makes sense that certain music just triggers people and or trigger people into well different things, positive things, not so positive things, but ⁓ also for a spiritual way that you just like go into different frequency ⁓ and connect the otherworldly stuff. really, really, it's intriguing. ⁓ Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: And yeah, interesting. ⁓ of Actually, let's go back into it. Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: About like the next question they had, there was a question they brought four men out and then they asked which of those men, ⁓ one them had been struck by lightning and of them had been struck by luck. He won the lottery. So they said windfall and bolt out of the blue, think was the words they used. And I don't know how that was in Korean. And that we had to pick out or people had to pick out who was who. Did you any of that right? Or how was that? ⁓ Do you Amelie: I number four. ⁓ is another one that I didn't, I'd only put the one, because ⁓ wasn't really sure if that was the guy that was struck by lightning or if it was the guy that won. ⁓ ⁓ decide really, but I felt like number four was one of them. But then I didn't ⁓ any more notes because I'm silly like that. Lynn: ⁓ huh. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mmm. Yeah, okay, so. Yeah. Amelie: I just couldn't decide, basically. don't remember which there were. Lynn: So for me it was that my intuition that I had in the beginning was right and then I by how I read cards. Because I the people, because it was just me seeing the people and I saw the people and I thought the fourth is the guy who was struck by lightning. And that was true. But for the that I got, that wasn't so obvious. But... the cards weren't obvious in general and that was I think one of the first times I was like I should use the Smith deck because that was really difficult. If I had gotten again, if I'd gotten the tower I'd be like okay that's a lightning person. If I'd gotten like the Knight of Wands for example you know the Lord of Lightning and Fire yes but I did not. cards were like no no we're just gonna make it more complicated for you. Or no wait, I did get the knight of war, that's why I was misled. Yeah, but I didn't get the tower. there's, just not, with the soft deck, you you don't have, you just have like the energy and then it's like, but I got, I took three cards for each person. So that was also maybe, it might've been a mistake. I don't know that it was too much information, but I don't know. Amelie: I just did one card for each person. But I went with like number four was my first kind of intuition that he was one of them. it's like you say, I find it like when reading if something just comes to you ⁓ you just have a hunch that that's the case and then you do the cards and the cards kind of sway you away from Lynn: Yeah. Yeah, that was my intuition. Mmm. Mm. Amelie: from that a little bit, you start yourself just because the cards look different. I don't like when that happens, because it's almost like you doubt yourself and then you believe in the cards instead, which you should ⁓ believe yourself first and then maybe look at the cards and think, where would that fit in in that situation? Lynn: Mmm. Mm. Mm. Yeah. Amelie: instead of getting swayed. I don't know. It's like- Lynn: But again, yeah. But in retrospect, also, like when they revealed who it was and when they actually talked about themselves a bit, there were things that aligned with the cards and the things that they said, for example, again, but that was that was not really related to or or struck by lightning. Like, for example, the lottery guy, said that he dreamt of being stabbed in the neck. the night before and I had a swords card you know I had this I mean it was a seven of swords but I you know I had a swords card with like all it you this is not somebody who wins the lottery if you have swords necessarily but and he talks about being stabbed the night before and I'm hmm did not see that ⁓ Amelie: But they say that it was normal to dream something like that before you actually win the lottery. I dream strange things every single night and I just don't win the lottery. What's wrong? Oh, I need to go to Korea. No, actually, it wouldn't be too bad. I'll gladly go to Korea for a while. Lynn: Yes, dream strange things. Yeah, apparently. You're in the wrong kind of culture, Amelie. You gotta go to Asia for that kind of stuff. South Korea anyway. Wow. ⁓ yeah, different episode. Let's go there at some point. Yeah. No, that was interesting, but... ⁓ Amelie: South Korea, yeah. I actually have a friend that went to North Korea. Different episode. Hahaha. Lynn: Yeah, and then we had some, yeah, then we had some some crazy questions. I was also like, how do we do that with cards and ⁓ the feet? Like here we present you some feet. And most the contestants are also like, how do we do that? And then a few foot readers were like, we got this. So that was I should use Smith. Yeah, but what I found interesting is when they got to the question of where we had to the profession of somebody. Because then we got pretty intense cards, both of us, and that's when we actually watched the episode together and did it simultaneously. And. in my cards, bless me, I cannot actually decipher my own handwriting for one of the cards. But I had I had the devil and I had the Knight of Cups and I had the Aeon and something else that I can't decipher. So I went straight into there some sort of drug addiction, some sort of, know, or, you know, something there. And you also, I think, had that. And we went into like, yeah, maybe, you know, something with drugs or doping or there's something there. ⁓ the physical, yeah, had it under the deck, yeah. And then we also went into the physical, like you said, like maybe military effort, like maybe some police or something, like we had some authority or something physical, authority, know, authority or ⁓ or somebody who uses the body. And ⁓ there an athlete. Amelie: Yes, because I got the devil under the deck. Yeah. Lynn: And of course, it said nothing about him having some sort of addiction or doing amphetamines or steroids or what not or doping. But we were both like, to the cards, there is something ⁓ Yes. So that was like, trusted that. I trusted that. Amelie: He was just very muscly and he just looked very suspicious. Lynn: So yeah, was, so yeah, the discipline and stuff. Yeah. don't know. yeah. But also like with the Aeon, because I think there was something about him actually going abroad and like changing his life or changing his career and his path. So it was also like, that was actually also quite spot on with that big change or yeah. ⁓ Calling something else. Yeah. Amelie: Yeah! Yeah, we did. You're right, we did talk about that because he, we're like, he needed to change the career. I don't remember now. We were saying that he needed to change the career because obviously he can't be a like sports person forever. Yeah, it was. Lynn: Mmm. Mmm, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that was really cool. I was like pretty, yeah, we are very convinced with that. Amelie: We were very, we were very spot on. Lynn: we know, we know is something they didn't say ⁓ yeah, no, no, absolutely no, they wouldn't ⁓ can't say that officially if you're still an athlete you can't call them out for doping that would not be nice and the one they did two rounds of that and then Amelie: I still think that we were right, is they just don't say. Lynn: That was not as clear to me, I got this. ⁓ I got was that person was very passionate and did what she liked doing. Like I got the three of ones. I'd all like this passion and fire ⁓ burst her on to follow like her path and do something with it. And I got the nine of cups so that whatever she's doing is truly making her happy. But. And with that I had the Four of Disks and the Prince of Swords so I thought that she's probably somebody who's like kind of using her mind very well and is maybe a little bit not afraid I mean not afraid of conflict but somebody who's maybe trying maybe pushing her own way more than you know like she's her own kind of person and mean even the Four of Disks that she's doing she's doing her thing you know she's creating She's creating her own thing. And She up being like ⁓ a famous ⁓ DJ on own. yeah, she's basically a self-made woman and being abroad and doing like a DJ thing. So definitely three of and a nine of cups. They were spot on. And I feel also like the Prince of Swords probably fits with her personality, but didn't have so much to do with her. job, I think. Although, ⁓ you're really abstract, you know, and if you're thinking like classic and you have princes with the wheels and then DJs, ⁓ you know, also the of discs also, you know, the discs, but the modern, the modern DJs don't aren't DJs, they're MCs, right? So ⁓ they don't really, they also have all these Amelie: ⁓ yeah! Yeah! Yeah? Yeah, that's true. It's more about the... Lynn: still tune, still have all your knobs ⁓ round thingies, so you still do that. So... ⁓ in the pictures. ⁓ Amelie: Yeah, I mean for her, I also felt like she was a strong character and that she was kind of like not budging, not kind of budging what she wants to do. But I also had this feeling of like there was not really a work-life balance. Lynn: Hmm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Amelie: almost like she was working a lot. there was this balance was a bit off. And then I also got the first card that came out was the tower and I was there something something has happened that she had to either I don't know, change course or do something and then they said that she had this the hairdresser burnt her hair. Lynn: Mmm. Mmm. Mm. Yes, the bleaching accident. Yes. Yeah. Amelie: and she was wearing a wig because they burnt her hair and it was growing out and I was like, okay, well, there we go. That's a time. Lynn: But also if we just look at the picture of if it was still if you used to thought for it, like I'm just thinking the thought, but also the tower. You also, you know, if you're a DJ or an MC, you're higher up and you're doing with all this electricity, you know, you're the eye. Amelie: You're the eye. Lynn: but also doing all this electricity stuff and having people dance under you and or fall or whatnot. So the whole picture is also like, you know, I can see that being a DJ. Also in the night, you know, all the laser beams, pew, pew, pew. So yeah, you know, yeah, the image. Yeah, even the image. Yeah. Yeah. Amelie: Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yes, yes, that's very true. We were just so spot on again. We're just so good. ⁓ Lynn: Yeah, well, the thing with these two was that you didn't actually see the person. Like, I don't remember how they presented them now anymore, but you didn't see the person at first at all. saw like snippy you afterward, like they revealed bits by bits. So you suddenly could see like there was like an athlete, like an athlete's boxer shorts or something, or you saw her fancy outfit a bit, but you didn't actually see the person while you were reading. You were just going off of, I don't know what we going off on. They did say something maybe to, I don't remember what they showed us. Amelie: Yeah. Yeah. They were talking, but... They were talking. think... they... They probably showed us, like, Maybe their dates, birth dates? Because that's normally what they... Lynn: Yeah, I don't remember the show. the date, the birth dates and something. ⁓ no, no, no, no. They showed us the pictures of them as a child. Yeah, they showed us the pictures of the children. And then it was like, what are they doing now? And it's like, OK, let's lead into this. don't know. Yes. And then when they revealed the first revealed how they got older. several pictures. And then they showed you pictures of the like or the actual behind the scenes, how they were sitting and waiting. Yeah. Amelie: with the children yes of course that's it Yes, that's it. That's it. Lynn: And so yeah, yeah, yeah, that was off of the pictures of kids and you're like, what? don't know. Little cute Asian kids. I don't know. Let's go. But it was really cool because it was quite it was it was pretty spot on or, you know, it wasn't completely off anyway. Yeah. And then the next one, the next one was very interesting. You got very spot on and. Amelie: Hahaha Yeah. Yeah. Lynn: I got some of that. that was we were seeing we were showing a person and the question was he had surgeries, major surgeries in two places in his body and we were supposed to guess that. And the thing is that ⁓ of them we kind of see if you knew, guess, like you saw it and I was like that also that looks like somebody, you know, who had like a fat reduction surgery, like it. kind of the shape of his body looked like that. But still I was okay, I'm just going to lean into the cards and see what the cards And was interesting because I had, well, my major card was the Empress. Again, I used to thought here ⁓ and the Empress, I have like a very strong, if you were thinking now, like something with body, physical things or sicknesses, I'm very drawn to both like that, her like. showing or like having a hand in front of a heart. Also her being like motherly nurturing, you know, so I was like immediately on the heart thing and then this image with the pelican mother giving blood to her children. So this blood circulation heart something, I went immediately into that, which I think was not, which was not completely correct. But some of the shamans also said heart and then they revealed later that in his family, is like a history of heart issues. So that was, yeah, that was kind of interesting. And then I got the of Disks, again, something with this, and I got the Seven of Wands, which on the Thoth, where you have the one wand, which is like shattered in the middle. ⁓ I thought like something spinal cords or something, something and or breaking and ⁓ that was actually the cervical discs and he broke them or he something and he had to do a surgery on that so again i had like the discs and some breaking so it you know and you were also spot on with the gastric gastrectomy you felt that right but i don't remember what cards you had Amelie: Yeah... Yeah... That was like, I don't know, because I was so analyzing him. I did pull cards, but when I pulled the cards, I was like, I couldn't feel what the card said. I just felt like this guy had a surgery and I think like the initial was like the gastro. And then I thought maybe I'm just judging. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm. Amelie: But it felt like it could have been, but then I thought while he had the, while he was in surgery, there was something that went wrong. So they had to like operate on him at the same time. wasn't like too, it felt like it wasn't like two separate surgeries. felt like he was at the same time. But the cards I got was, Lynn: Mm. Mm. Amelie: five swords. I also got the fool, which really kind of threw me off. I was like, what's the fool almost like? Did he do something foolish? And then shit, I need to have surgery. Binge eating. was a mock, mock, mock, mock, mukbang, mukbang celebrity maybe. And then he just had to basically go in. Lynn: Well, he... He binge eating. Yeah, he binge eating. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Amelie: because of some kind of, I don't think it was like, I'm going to do a bypass, is it bypass or gastro thing. I feel like he had to do it. He had to do it because something went wrong. Lynn: Yeah, they didn't reveal that yeah Amelie: But the cards didn't help me. I just went with my mind. I just like was looking at this guy because it just, I don't know. Sometimes I do that. Sometimes I don't. Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. The next one, the next one was really interesting. That was like one of those love readings. They presented, where they presented to people and then they were like, these are exes. Do they have a chance of getting back together? And then like the tarot readers, they were like, ⁓ is my specialty. And it's like, ⁓ you know, that's juicy. ⁓ yeah, I, ⁓ were, I think both pretty spot on on that. so I was like, it's like for her, ⁓ like, no, she's a, I saw that for her, she's a very passionate person. And, but she's like worried about the, like, ⁓ she doesn't want, like I saw for both kind of more like negative no cards, like they don't want to get back together. But I saw it like more for him maybe, but yeah, not really. But it was like, no, this is a no. ⁓ that he hasn't been like, he's not been very successful financially. And ⁓ agreed on that. You were like, also like, he's not bringing in the money that, you know, for like a relationship. And And then we landed on that he might want to go back together with her, but she does not. And that the answer we were presented with. ⁓ She did And he does. And then it was, and then I talked a bit more about it. So there were some extras and some extra information and stuff, but yeah. Amelie: Yeah. felt I I did the cards for this I got ⁓ I got Queen of Wands death lovers ⁓ the first thing I thought like she is she's a woman that has like not temper but she doesn't want to it felt like he was more like old-fashioned and she was she kind of wanted to do her thing Lynn: Mm-hmm. Mmm. Amelie: because she had like some, she was more charismatic or she had like, had a certain personality. And I to myself, they kind of, like we I think he would probably want her back, but there are major, major changes that he has to do in order to impress her. It's almost like he had to, he has to change something quite drastically. Lynn: Mm. I got the death card for him as well. Like, yeah. ⁓ Amelie: and yeah, death card. And then under the deck, I got the knight of pentacles. That's why I was like, she, he needs to show her and like bring in the money because almost like she, she was born into a wealthier family. It almost felt like she was used to having certain standard of life that he could not really provide her. It wasn't. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Amelie: It wasn't necessarily like they didn't like each other. It was something that he could not provide for her that she needed or she needed to explore certain things that she was interested in. And I felt like he didn't really like that. Like he just didn't really support that or he couldn't support that. Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't that she went abroad for a while as well to follow something or there was something there as well. Yeah, she was a pageant queen. Yeah. So she had to leave place to follow that and stuff. Yeah. That yeah, but that you were like on fire with those questions. Amelie: She was like a mist, was it? She was like a pageant, pageant. was like, no, I was looking at them. was like, no, no, this woman. ⁓ she did change her mind. ⁓ did say. ⁓ Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. They both, yeah, they both did. It's like, cause then she said, now that I'm seeing him, I kind of feel like maybe I want to give him another chance. And then I asked him, so now what do you think after seeing her? And then he also changed his mind. He was like, oh, I think I have to take some time and think about it. And I was like, he needs to take our time out. Death card. He needs to think about it as the ace of swords I got for him. You know what I'm like? Yeah. Amelie: Yeah, yes, yes. Yeah, that was interesting. Lynn: Transformation, yeah, yeah, no, that was really cool. Yeah. Then there really was only one more question where we could actually pull the cards because then the show changed tempo. But yeah. But that was with the students again, that you had to pick out people and I showed you four, there are five people and you had to pick out. three that went to the University of Seoul specifically. again, was like I picked out two from the the cars that I got. It was like super easy. But I got with one, I got like that, like with one guy, the second I got like the hanged man, like this surrendering to something. I mean, being a student at like a high class university in Korea is not no joke so the hanged man and the magician in that combination I was like also the ace of pentacles is third but in that combination like that is probably that that's yeah that sounds right or an excluding others where it didn't sound right right and then with another with the third I was also quite sure I'm not actually sure where they went off the cards which just intuited it because I got the world and the king of ones I think So I was like, yeah, that person. The others were just not so, so strong. And then I ⁓ a bit towards the other and there were three actually that the correct answer, but my two were in those three. ⁓ Yeah. no. ⁓ Amelie: I didn't write down what I got. I just did not write down, but I remember that the two that I chose, one of them had, I think it was seven, I think it was seven of wands and the other one had nine of wands Cause I kept saying like someone has been like struggling to have a lot to do. So it's almost like they had doing tests, but they also had another test coming. It was like ongoing. And I think that was Lynn: Hmm. Hmm. Mmm. Mm. Mm. Amelie: one of the guys and he said that he went to like two different, even though he did two different things. It was like... Lynn: Yeah, there were several that did like so many... they were like all high, high, high, high, level educated people. was like intense. gosh, yeah. Yeah, not that world. ⁓ Yeah. but was kind of that with the tarot things then... Amelie: Yeah, it just went... me anxiety just thinking about it. ⁓ Yeah. Lynn: after that because you watched up to to the middle of the show like to the first five episodes and now the last two episodes that was then phase two where they have to where they picked the 20 the 20 who had won the first rounds they now have to face off against each other and that was so interesting and so intense in a whole different way like what i didn't know but in korea apparently it's it's a taboo in a way that you're not supposed to read journey or read for another shaman which is not the case over here like in the West. I mean that's how we learn here you know you travel and you travel for another person and you should like ⁓ start training with other shamans or shaman novices or shaman trainees you know so you you train with other shamans but there apparently you don't do that or you're not supposed to do it you're not supposed to read each other. So I felt that was quite, well, mean in a sense, like of the production that they're them to break a taboo in order to advance. But was ⁓ amazing then the people who got matched together and they could sort of choose each other, because I was like one would go on stage and they're like, OK, who wants to challenge me? ⁓ And then people would come up and then they could choose one of those people. And out of what we've seen so far, the matches, they were like really good. Like in the first ones, it's that basically, because the thing that they also said was, you know, because they have like these deities or these spirits, the main spirits, and they might not like each other or, ⁓ you they could be like, it's just a battle of the gods. So everybody expected battles of the gods. ⁓ But in first and I think also in the second instance, it was like you saw that these the deities or that spirits, they were drawn. They said like, you have to go against this or with this person. And then they matched perfectly in the first one, they respected each other and they even channeled the other's spirit in some cases. it went really personal and really deep and it was very emotional and beautiful ⁓ in all The three cases that we've seen so far. Yeah. Amelie: Yeah, it really felt like their spirits felt like they had something to tell the person. So it was almost like... Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm. Amelie: Was it like the second, was it the second or the third couple when the guy stood up in the white? He stood up and he was like, who wants to challenge me? And nobody wanted to challenge him. ⁓ the plum blossom. Yeah. Yeah. Lynn: Mm. Yeah, the plum. Yeah, the young plum blossom, think. I think plum blossom. Yes. And nobody, everybody was intimidated and nobody wanted to challenge him. Yeah. Yeah. Amelie: Yeah. And then he went back to sit down and another one came up and like, who wants to challenge me? Two of them came up and then Plum Blossom, he just, you could just tell, I just, he had to, he had to, he was called. So he kind of like at the very, at the very end, he got up there and she was like, I need. Lynn: Mmm. also. Yeah, he was like, he had to pull. Yeah. She was also like, yeah, I feel it. Yeah, here. Yeah, yeah. It was so exciting. And I ⁓ that. When you work with a particular entity and then it's like, and suddenly ⁓ work with somebody else who also has a strong entity. I ⁓ that's how, actually that's how I felt one of the first times we got together with our guardians. Because I was like, I was so excited. But then I was like... Amelie: Yeah, yeah. Lynn: my guardian, he's kind of a one man show. So I'm like, like, I really want to do this, but can we do this? And then even and it was fun. Like it was quite harmonious in a way. But ⁓ then we started to do like, let's try and do cards for each other by reading with our guardians. ⁓ And first thing mine was like, I'm nobody's oracle, but yours. And I'm like, ⁓ my God. ⁓ Amelie: Ha ha ha ha ha Lynn: How can I, can you please cooperate? And it worked out, it worked out. We found a way to do it. But it's just this feeling, like I understand so well. Like it's like, there's like, nope, I'm not, I'm not gonna, I'm just, you know, I was like, I got it. I got that. So like when they were like, you know, "battle of the gods", I'm like, oh no, I know. Amelie: you You You can really tell, you know, the struggle that you have many times because it's almost like there's two of you. There's like the guardian and there's also you, the logic you that is kind of thinking like logically, like let's say, let's say now that you are someone that has to battle someone. So logically you would want to battle someone that you know, kind of would be easier to battle. So because you want to win, right? So logically you're thinking, ⁓ I should actually... Lynn: Yeah. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Yeah, it's like, no, we want the challenge. Amelie: Yeah, I should actually challenge this person because I want to win. But then there's this battle with your guardian, or with your spirit that you have. And they just like, no, no, no, no, no, you don't like the easy way. ⁓ have to do it this way. And just like this battle that you have to go through. And you really tell. You can really tell when you look at them. And when you you have been ⁓ in this kind situation yourself, you're like, ⁓ Lynn: No, no, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. It's so, yeah. Yeah. Yep. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amelie: they do it. It's so interesting. I would I would love to, I would love to like watch this with someone that is not into this at all. Someone that's, yeah, to like, I would love to see like how they see them, like, do they think this is weird? Do they think that this is interesting, magical, intriguing? Or are they trying to interpret this in a logical way? Lynn: Yeah. ⁓ but yeah. Yeah, yeah, it'll be interesting. ⁓ Mm-hmm. Mm. Mm. ⁓ Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I've been just saying, we'll see. We will see. No, it's great. But yeah, I felt it was quite emotional when you're also in this kind of sphere or have done similar things. I think it hits very different. I got so emotional in this one time when one of the shamans was speaking up. Amelie: I'd love to know, that would be so interesting. Lynn: it was still in the first round and suddenly she's like, she's like, I just have to say my gods are furious we have to ⁓ like there's so much information we're getting and we're reading for a person and there's so much important things for the person that we're getting and you're limiting us to only two things that we can say. It's really like the great da la la. So ⁓ gods are furious and I'm just like, Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: I got emotional because I'm like, yes, yes, of course, you know, you you're not because of course, it's like a show and there's some level of like show business. But then I get that they're actually there. They're having now a customer, a client basically in front of them. And then they get all this information and then they get so much and then they have to like limit themselves and then they cannot say like 10 things that maybe this person needs to hear. So, yeah, I'm like. Amelie: I mean, spirits have no time for them, you know, they see this person and they're just like, this person needs to know that they don't think about, oh, this is a contest or whatever. They just want to do whatever they need to do. And time, like what is time? What do you mean? Five minutes? What do you mean to things? Well, you know, it doesn't matter to them. So I understand the Lynn: Yeah, yeah, ⁓ Mm. Mmm. Mmm. Yeah. No. Amelie: But she was so angry. Yeah, you're very right. Lynn: Yeah, or not she wasn't but her guy her girls like her granny and run. Yeah, like they yeah. Mm. You could tell she was like Amelie: No, you could tell that she was almost like to apologise, but... Lynn: Yeah, she was like, I'm sorry, this is just yes. Amelie: I she tried to apologise, but then obviously it came through her, so it was like that, she was just so angry, but it wasn't like her, was, you could really tell, you could totally tell. But I also, I really liked the, woman that won the first one, the one that was just sitting and staring very quiet, she was just so, came off so cold, ⁓ and she Lynn: Mmm... Mmm... Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Selby, think. Yes, she's like a modern, like a Gen Z shaman. So she's not she's not traditional at all. She's like in jeans and, know, and barely any. Yeah. Yeah. Amelie: Yes. Yeah jeans, know, shirt and just like, you know, resting bitch face on point. I really like, ⁓ she was very, ⁓ strict to the point. She just did not care if she said something slightly rude. ⁓ was something that had to be said. She said it. And I ⁓ of really like ⁓ way she replied ⁓ well, cause she was just sitting. Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mm. Amelie: She doesn't use a lot of tools. kind of relies mostly on her basically. And ⁓ yes, her spirits and I ⁓ like... like it because it's so different. And I like the way she was straightforward. But at the time, I felt a like, ⁓ you're a little rude now. Lynn: No. Yeah, and her, like her spirit, yeah. ⁓ Mm. ⁓ Amelie: But I understood, I understood the kind of like you, you want to come off a little bit intimidating because it kind of intimidates the other person and you get a reaction from them as well. So maybe something will come out that needs to come out. like, I quite ⁓ I found that intriguing. And then when she went her and the, the man had a woman, ⁓ Lynn: Mm. The young shaman, yeah. The woman spirit, yes. Amelie: the woman's spirit, the grandma. He broke her. He basically broke her. Exactly, unexpectedly. And it was funny because she was kind of almost mocking him, going like, oh, you're going to be crying now. And she just, you know, and he's the one that made her cry. Lynn: Yeah. Unexpectedly. Mm. Mmm. Mmm. Yeah. Amelie: And I found it really interesting how she was so closed off and how, cause I think I felt so much for her cause I, ⁓ I'm very similar. I I'm not like, you know, like ⁓ super cold. was a little bit like that ⁓ back the day, but I, ⁓ could myself in many of the ways that she was. And ⁓ she And I was saying this before as well, like she's acting like this because she finds talking about her own feelings, talking about her own personal life extremely difficult. That's why I was like, I bet she's an aquarium. Sorry. You said Scorpio. We have to look up when her birthday is. But I really Lynn: Yeah, Scorpio moon at the very least or something. It's very scarlet, a Scorpio in there. Amelie: Absolutely. I just, I found it really interesting because as soon as he started talking about her dad and then she was a single mother as well, it was, as soon as, know, he started talking about something that was personal to her, she found it really difficult to talk about it. She started crying. And I think that's kind of her, her way of being stoned cold is not because Lynn: Mm. Mm. Hmm. Hmm. Amelie: she's being bitchy or rude is just she doesn't want her own emotions probably get in the way of reading someone else because as soon as you up and up and you start being like empathize then it gets difficult because like your feelings are kind of in the way because she seems to be very very sensitive like that which you you probably don't think that he would she would be because she's so stone cold but it's just always like the opposite Lynn: Mm. Mm. Mmm. Amelie: And yeah, we're waiting for the next episode to see who won that. So we have not seen those yet. Lynn: We're waiting for the answer. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, that was a really, really cool face off between the two because that was really they went in and you were thinking like, OK, this is going to be a battle. The other ones were really respectful towards each other and stuff. ⁓ they're from the get go. You're like, ⁓ these are just like she rude to him. He was like, you know, ⁓ and ⁓ and they start. Amelie: he didn't like her from the start, he say like her the grandma spirit? Lynn: Yeah, they didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's been rude. Yeah, she's been rude to him from the start. She said like rude shit, like she, you know, that she didn't have, you know, so, so yeah, little kid, are you so emotional? So she's really pushing his buttons and then, but then he has way more experience than her as well. So you had like 13 years of experience, although he's the youngest there. He's like 18. He's 18. Yeah. Amelie: and all of that. Yeah. He's like 18, he's been a shaman since five. Lynn: And she, think, was just a few years, like maybe three, four or five something years as a shaman. So he's a senior in experience, but not in age. And yeah, so it started like really like, ⁓ my God, they're going to tear each other apart. And these spirits are not ⁓ don't like each other. Like you can see, he's a bam, bam. ⁓ the way it turned and how they just started to. crack like the way that he gently and you know very politely cracked open where he had to crack open and then her being able to open up and then they suddenly started to see common ground ⁓ how their lives had been very similar in certain aspects and then you could see how they just especially how she was like relieved and there there was just stuff that had to come out and then she actually asked him advice as well, which previously she would not have done because she's just so proud and so like closed off and then she broke open and then she's also asking for advice and also about her daughter and you know she was worried that she would also have to go the same path as her and he was like no she doesn't and then she was really relieved and so that was really emotional ⁓ intense. Very good episodes. Yeah. Amelie: And I have to say, it's very interesting specifically with them too. You think like you would go to therapy and have sessions upon sessions upon sessions, but they kind of hashed it out within like what? 10, 15 minutes. It's very powerful. Lynn: Yeah, it's powerful like that. It's very good combination to ⁓ do both therapy and go to like a shaman or fate reader. They supplement each other. ⁓ Amelie: I've been to therapy by the way, so I do not know. been dragged to... I've been dragged ⁓ It was a very long time ago. But outsmarted the guy ⁓ and correctly to all the questions correctly. So like, because you just know what to say. And I was like, you're so dumb. ⁓ What gonna do? So therefore I never been... ⁓ You what I would love? Lynn: Happy Bint. Yeah. He is a human. He know this. You know what to say to Chigdhan. ⁓ Amelie: I would love to go to therapy to see what they would say or do. Maybe it would be very good for me, but I just, I just find, see, this is what I'm saying. Like I'm very much like her. I'm very much like her. Cause I'll be like, what, what you're going to do? What you're going to do for me? And like, come on, come on, you know, and then you have to find the right person. So you, so. Lynn: Mm. Hmm. ⁓ Yeah. ⁓ You have to find the right person. Amelie: Yeah, they have to, at least they have to probably push a certain button so you feel like, okay, ⁓ it. Because if it's just on the surface level ⁓ like, ⁓ just outsmart them. Not because I think that I'm so clever, but it's just a game for me. Because like, it's just, it's a game. ⁓ come on. ⁓ Lynn: Mmm, yeah. Yeah. Mm. Yeah, yeah. if you get the wrong one you just yeah, you just sit there for hours and they're just one They're not even gonna talk and they just want you to talk and then anything like but I want you to help me ⁓ Amelie: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like, you know, you just like, so what do you want me to tell you? Like what like, it's, I don't know, I think. Lynn: So which version do you want to see? Amelie: Yeah, exactly. It's, it's, I don't know, becomes a game and they have to kind of crack that. So it, yeah, I don't open up to like about things to like ⁓ specifically a stranger and you getting paid for it. Like, no, no, no, you have to be good, outsmart me. They can't. ⁓ Lynn: No. Mmm... No, Yeah, there's this fantasy, there's this dream, this fantasy of meeting somebody who will ⁓ five minutes. How smart. ⁓ is like a fantasy. ⁓ Amelie: Maybe I need to meet someone that's very young and has a grandma spirit in them. Lynn: Yeah, I mean that but that's the other way like it's the other way that's not the therapist then because you've not been to therapy have you been to a shaman? No See Yes, they exactly yeah That's the thing Amelie: No, where are the shamans? Where? That's the thing. But the thing is like, I it. Like, ⁓ I get somehow. I don't know how or whatever. maybe has something to do with like how my grandma was ⁓ and old grand grandma. But that I understand. Lynn: Mm. Amelie: Yeah. Let's, I'd love to try both. That would be great. We have to start at the same time. It would be interesting to have a shaman and a therapist battle each other. Lynn: Yeah, at the same ⁓ yeah, at the same time. ⁓ right. Wow. ⁓ do it in the next episode. man, wow, look at that. We've actually talked a long time about, well, five episodes of Battle of Fates. We are eager to watch more. It's extremely exciting. My own mom as well, she caught the virus. She wants to see of Amelie: Yeah. I'm Lynn: binge it right now. ⁓ we will watch next episodes ⁓ as find time and then we will do another little episode of own about it and everybody ⁓ who's listened listening go and watch it it's on Disney plus ⁓ and like comment buy us a coffee you like us we love you Amelie: Yeah. Hahaha! Lynn: Bloopers! Amelie: Very heartfelt, Lynne, very heartfelt. Lynn: So probably. My headdrying had to go in. need, I need. Oh God, I need to go to bed is what it is. It's late. I work early tomorrow. Boop boop. Okay. So well, thanks for watching. Catch you in the next corner of chaos. Have fun in the rabbit holes in the meantime. Good night. Amelie: She needs a coffee really badly, okay? Yeah, that's true. Good night.