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Real estate mogul abandons sons in school pick-up line to murder wife, flee the country with millions · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Queen prided herself on being to stay at
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Speaker 1: home Vong devoted to raising their three young sons. She
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Speaker 1: was just a lovely, giving person. She loved her children
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Speaker 1: and she would do anything for them. Family friend Karen
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Speaker 1: Thorpe says Peter was also a loving hands on parents.
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Speaker 1: He seemed utterly devoted to his children, which is why
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Speaker 1: other parents were so alarmed they called police when one day,
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Speaker 1: neither Peter nor Queen picked up their boys after school. I,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. What happened? What happened that day? No one
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Speaker 1: showed up to pick up the boys? Joining me Jennifer Manzella,
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Speaker 1: Newport Beach, California, host off Countdown to Capture podcast, Kieren Smith,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert Troy Slayton, high profile l A defense lawyer,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst Dr Bethany Marshall joining us from l A
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Speaker 1: and joining me right now, investigative reporter Robin will Lynskey. Robin,
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Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning, right where our friend, my
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Speaker 1: longtime friend, Patla Lama with Crime Watch Daily left off
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Speaker 1: that day when the boys seemingly were stranded in the
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Speaker 1: pickup line. Let's take it from there, Robin, what happened? Well,
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Speaker 1: family members and friends, no one picked up the two boys,
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Speaker 1: so they contact the police, no one is home, and
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Speaker 1: the const end up showing off at the house. And
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Speaker 1: there are signs in that house, Nancy of hold on,
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Speaker 1: you mean a two point five million dollar Newport Beach mansion.
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Speaker 1: That home? That home, absolutely go and have you seen
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Speaker 1: have you seen that, creb I mean that is something.
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Speaker 1: It looks like it's straight out of a magazine. Yes,
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Speaker 1: two point five million, absolutely stunning. He was living there.
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Speaker 1: He's a real estate investor, Peter Chadwick, and his wife
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Speaker 1: was a stay at home mom. You mean the husband,
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Speaker 1: Queen's husband. Queen's husband, Peter was a real estate investor.
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Speaker 1: Hence where all the cash came from. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Robert Willinsky, when you say real estate investor,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like he's showing houses in
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Speaker 1: the evenings, not that kind of he's no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: he's not a real austor. He's investing, possibly in in
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Speaker 1: He was traveling to all kind of you know, countries
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Speaker 1: out of the area of Malaysia where his wife was from,
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Speaker 1: and and China and some other of places like that.
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Speaker 1: But getting back to the story, hold on, why meant Robin, Robin,
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Speaker 1: I'm not through the house yet. Have you seen the ariel.
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Speaker 1: Hold on in my ear, I'm hearing. I've got Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Manzella with me, the host of Countdown to Capture podcast.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at an aerial of the home. It is
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Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful. With me, Jennifer Manzella at Newport Beach, California
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Speaker 1: Police spokesperson and host of Counting Down to Capture. What
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about this awesome Mediterranean style looking home.
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Speaker 1: It looks like it's, you know, out of architectural digests.
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Speaker 1: I want to just start with that. Well, it is
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Speaker 1: a beautiful home, and it was a beautiful family home,
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Speaker 1: notably to us. Okay, hold on just a moment. Let
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Speaker 1: me look at this thing. It's um, I'm just looking
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Speaker 1: at it, and I'm certainly not a real estate expert,
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Speaker 1: but it is a Mediterranean home. It looks to be
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Speaker 1: three stories with a courtyard in the front with um,
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Speaker 1: a beautiful property. And what can you tell me about
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood, Robin Willinski A beautiful neighborhood, very peaceful, quiet
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Speaker 1: people living there with their families, very normal live kids
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Speaker 1: going to school, parents working. Okay, so what happened next, Well,
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Speaker 1: what happened next is that the two young boys and
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Speaker 1: no one picks them up from their private school. Family
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Speaker 1: and friends are one where's mommy? Where's daddy? Police arrived,
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Speaker 1: They check out the house. There's nobody there. But when
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Speaker 1: they start to look around, I guess what, Nancy. There
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Speaker 1: are some very disturbing things going on in the house.
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Speaker 1: The safe is open, there's a sign of a struggle,
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Speaker 1: there's a broken day, and there is a possible blood
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Speaker 1: spatter near the upstairs bathroom. So you're telling me that
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Speaker 1: this guy is a real estate investor and the wife's
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Speaker 1: estay at home. Mom, What can you tell me, if anything,
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Speaker 1: to Jennifer Manzella about their relationship? When did they meet,
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Speaker 1: how long had they been together? How old were the boys?
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Speaker 1: Both Peter and que were born outside the US and
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Speaker 1: were naturalized in the early nineties. He's from the UK
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Speaker 1: and she's from Malaysia. Then married for seventeen years and
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Speaker 1: they had three sons, ages nine, twelve, and fifteen. So
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Speaker 1: this guy, Peter Chadwick, is a British born real estate investor,
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Speaker 1: and it all the thing comes to light. The whole background,
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Speaker 1: the mystery surrounding this comes to light one day when
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Speaker 1: the boys are standing unpicked up in the pickup line
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Speaker 1: at school, Guys, you're painting a picture of this real
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Speaker 1: estate investor the multimillion dollar mansion to stay at home
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Speaker 1: wife Qui Chew, a Malaysian native known as QC. But
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Speaker 1: isn't it true to Jennifer Manzella that apparently affairs on
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Speaker 1: his part came to light? It became so to us
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Speaker 1: pretty rapidly that there was a troubled marriage. Um Peter
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Speaker 1: was known to be sharing his affections outside the home,
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Speaker 1: and there was a lot of evidence that QC knew
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Speaker 1: about that, and then that was putting on a strain
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Speaker 1: on their marriage. And friends had even asked her. She
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Speaker 1: complained that she wasn't getting attention, she wasn't getting affection.
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Speaker 1: People seem to know that she knew about these extra
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Speaker 1: marital affairs. And when her friends would ask her, why
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Speaker 1: are you staying with him when he's so obviously being unfaithful,
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Speaker 1: she would always respond that she just wanted the best
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Speaker 1: life possible for her boys. She was absolutely dedicated to
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Speaker 1: giving them the best life that she could, and she
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Speaker 1: thought that staying with Peter was the way to do that.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean to you? To Dr Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: l a psychoanalyst. I mean, for all of us on
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Speaker 1: the outside looking in at you and Troy and everyone
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Speaker 1: else living in the l a lifestyle. Um, it's hard
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Speaker 1: for me to understand why that would be the best
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Speaker 1: thing for the boys to grow up with a philandering
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Speaker 1: dad that the whole neighborhood new was cheating. And I'm
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Speaker 1: sure all their friends at school knew he was cheating,
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Speaker 1: and all the moms and dad's knew. You think word
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Speaker 1: didn't go around at the soccer field, Absolutely, it does,
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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, I hear this so much of my
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills practice. Couples come in, they're really troubled, one
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Speaker 1: partner is cheating, and they decided to stay together for
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Speaker 1: the state, for the sake of the kids. And I
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Speaker 1: always tell them kids do not necessarily need their parents
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Speaker 1: to stay together, and they need their parents to love
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Speaker 1: each other. If they don't see their parents looking at
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Speaker 1: each other in the eye, hugging each other, holding each
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Speaker 1: other's hands, smooching when the kids aren't looking those kinds
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Speaker 1: of things, the kids are going to feel profoundly insecure.
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Speaker 1: So I can't see with this incredibly wealthy Newport family
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Speaker 1: that these kids are at all going to be better
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Speaker 1: served by this mom staying with the philandering dad. You know,
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Speaker 1: to Troy slight In l a defense attorney, very high profile.
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Speaker 1: What is it out there in Beverly Hills. Everybody's just
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Speaker 1: rolling in money and they still have problems. I just
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't get it. They're healthy, they have
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Speaker 1: a home, they have a family. Uh. I don't understand
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Speaker 1: all the mald contents, the the simmering tensions. I don't
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Speaker 1: get it. You want me to defend the idea that
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Speaker 1: money doesn't buy happiness, Nancy? No, uh in your line
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Speaker 1: of business, I I guess you're thrilled everybody's unhappy and
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Speaker 1: divorcing and cheating and killing each other. You know what,
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Speaker 1: But before I get to divorcing and cheating and killing
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Speaker 1: each other, let me get back to Robin Malinsky. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: I think you left off with a red vase broken
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Speaker 1: and potential blood spatter. Yes, that's correct, Nancy. So the
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Speaker 1: cops show up and they're going room to room looking around,
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Speaker 1: and the safe is open. You know, you would assume
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Speaker 1: cash is in a safe or jewelry, and then there's
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Speaker 1: this broken vase that seemed odd and out of place,
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Speaker 1: so that was portographed. And then this u alleged blood
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Speaker 1: splatter upstairs near the bathtub in the upstairs bathroom and
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Speaker 1: no sign of mom and dad. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: So we initially sent two investigators out to the kids
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Speaker 1: to talk to them and ask him if they knew
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Speaker 1: where their parents were, and then we sent patrol officers
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Speaker 1: out to the house. Cops didn't see any signs of
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Speaker 1: a break in, and everything initially looked in order when
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Speaker 1: they entered the multimillion dollar home, but nor was there
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Speaker 1: any sign of the Chadwicks. And something would catch the
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Speaker 1: investigator's attention. There's a large safe in the office I
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Speaker 1: was open and this safe had contents of their financial records, passports,
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Speaker 1: other personal belongings. They also found other clues in the
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Speaker 1: kitchen that indicated something may have suddenly interrupted Peter and
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Speaker 1: Quee's plans. Two plates round the counter, some food was
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Speaker 1: set out as if somebody was preparing to make a lunch,
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Speaker 1: but it wasn't finished. Then cops discovered disturbing evidence in
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Speaker 1: the master bathroom upstairs. They immediately recognized broken glass surrounding
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Speaker 1: the tub. There's a broken base, a broken jar, that
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Speaker 1: possessed seashells on the back splash of the tub, and
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Speaker 1: then they saw what they believed to be small amounts
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Speaker 1: of blood splatter near the drain and on the back
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Speaker 1: of the tub. They also located some towels that had
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Speaker 1: what appeared to be blood on them. The families suv
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Speaker 1: was also not in the garage, and cops located security
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Speaker 1: video from the guard shack showing that being driven out
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Speaker 1: of the front gate at one pm that same day.
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Speaker 1: And it definitely looked like a chronic passion, the heat
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Speaker 1: of the moment type of crime because there was evidence
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Speaker 1: left out, there were mistakes made, and it looked like
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Speaker 1: somebody left in a hasty manner. That's our friend to
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Speaker 1: crime watch Deli Pat Lollama describing the mystery surrounding Peter
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Speaker 1: and his wife, Queen Chadwick. What happened? It all started
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Speaker 1: with the boys being left abandoned the pickup line at school,
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Speaker 1: but then a bizarre twist and a nine one one
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Speaker 1: call listens. They have her body, they're gonna cut one
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Speaker 1: and she's dead. To kill there yesterday and now cops
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Speaker 1: have to try to figure out who killed Queen Chadwick
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Speaker 1: and what happened to her husband. To you, Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: when you hear what was found at the home, the
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Speaker 1: broken vase, the safe, the lunch apparently started and unfinished
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Speaker 1: in a bloody towel in the bathroom. What do you
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Speaker 1: do for hysically with that. The first thing that you do,
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Speaker 1: Nancy is document, document, document, And I'm telling you right
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Speaker 1: now that has all of the hallmarks of an altered
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Speaker 1: crime scene that bathroom. The blood stains are alleged blood
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Speaker 1: stains on the wall, the towels with blood stains on
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Speaker 1: them on the floor, the stain in the bottom of
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Speaker 1: the tub. This is a hallmark of someone who has
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Speaker 1: cleaned up a crime scene by that. Well, there are
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Speaker 1: a couple of things that I saw in the photographs
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Speaker 1: that were provided on the website for Countdown to Capture,
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Speaker 1: And let's just start with the stains on the wall,
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Speaker 1: because those caught my attention first. There were some great
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Speaker 1: photographs provided, and those blood stains tell a story. They
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Speaker 1: tell a story because they have been altered. There are
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Speaker 1: stains on the wall, They're very minute, they're very small,
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Speaker 1: and I can tell you blood being a liquid, it's
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Speaker 1: going to break up commensurate in size with the force
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Speaker 1: impacted upon them, and because they're so tiny, that tells
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Speaker 1: me there was some force behind them when they were
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Speaker 1: deposited on that wall. Not only that, but they're only peripheral,
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Speaker 1: a perimeter stains left blood drives from the outside in,
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Speaker 1: and the interior of those stains had then removed, which
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Speaker 1: tells me that they had a little bit of time
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Speaker 1: to start to dry before they were wiped away from
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Speaker 1: that wall. And that tells me that somebody took time
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Speaker 1: to try to clean up the crime scene. And guess
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Speaker 1: what they missed the broken glass on the back of
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Speaker 1: the tub. Now, whether or not that glass had something
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Speaker 1: to do with how the blood got there, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but I can tell you the stain in the bottom
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Speaker 1: of the tub is also altered. It appears to be
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Speaker 1: a diluted stain, and it appears that water had drained
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Speaker 1: out after that blood was deposited there, and that blood
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Speaker 1: was left behind. So somebody tried to clean up but
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Speaker 1: didn't do a thorough enough job. Karen Smith, you're right
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Speaker 1: on as usual to Jennifer Manzella, need Poor a Beach,
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Speaker 1: California police spokesperson and host of Countdown to Capture Jennifer,
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Speaker 1: what is your analysis of what we have learned about
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Speaker 1: the crime scene itself. Well, immediately, for our officers and
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Speaker 1: they're there, they see all of these signs that are
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Speaker 1: very obviously that something has gone wrong. This is when
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Speaker 1: we know that this home is now a crime scene,
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Speaker 1: but we don't know what that crime is. We know
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Speaker 1: that we have two people who have been described to
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Speaker 1: us as very dedicated parents who forgot to pick their
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Speaker 1: children up from the bus stop after school and who
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Speaker 1: are not answering their cell phones when their children call
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Speaker 1: their friends called the police department's trying to call them.
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Speaker 1: We've checked local hospitals, we've checked other local law enforcement agencies,
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Speaker 1: and we can't find them. So we don't know if
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Speaker 1: one or both of them have been harmed, if there
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Speaker 1: was a kidnapping. We don't really know what the crime is,
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Speaker 1: but we know that we have to start getting cs
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Speaker 1: I out there and start making inquiries with a little
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Speaker 1: bit more fervor than we would if we just had
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Speaker 1: a parent who wasn't picking up their cellphone. Let's take
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Speaker 1: a listen to more about the bizarre At nine one
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Speaker 1: one called that Peter Chadwick himself calls in she's dead.
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Speaker 1: If they killed her yesterday, they took her. They took her.
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Speaker 1: Um um want. What's your name? Peter Chadwick. And Chadwick
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Speaker 1: blames his wife's murder on a house painter named one One.
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Speaker 1: How do you know one? I picked him up to
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Speaker 1: look at some painting work at the house. I brought
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Speaker 1: him to the house. Chadwick says Juan had later returned,
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Speaker 1: broken in and killed Queen while he had briefly left
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Speaker 1: his wife alone in the Newport beat home. Wow, Pat
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Speaker 1: Lolama breaking it down back to Robin Wilinsky. So this
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Speaker 1: nine one one call is from the husband himself, Peter Chadwick.
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Speaker 1: He's no longer in the area of his neighborhood. He's
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Speaker 1: elsewhere calling in and no one called to say his
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Speaker 1: wife was killed the day before by somebody named Juan.
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Speaker 1: That's a nice story, Nancy. Chadwick calls nine one one.
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Speaker 1: He's at a gas station in San Diego. He tells
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Speaker 1: authorities clearly that his wife is killed by the handyman
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Speaker 1: wand the painter, and now he's been kidnapped and won.
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Speaker 1: The painter also brought along the dead body of his
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Speaker 1: wife with him, and now he's calling the police. I
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Speaker 1: mean it sounds completely both. Okay, wait a minute, back
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Speaker 1: back it up, back it up. Tell me that again
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Speaker 1: very slowly. Okay, to start, start at the beginning. Chadwick calls.
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Speaker 1: He's at the gas station in San Diego, about a
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Speaker 1: hundred miles away from his house, and he says that
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Speaker 1: my handyman wand the painter has killed my wife, and
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Speaker 1: one kidnapped me and brought along the dead body of
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Speaker 1: my wife. That's what he's telling the police. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, high profile l a defense lawyer, to believe
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Speaker 1: Peter Chadwick's story about the death of his wife. I
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Speaker 1: have to believe this guy. Uh, and I'm doing air quotes.
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Speaker 1: That's just for you. Troy Wan kills his wife and
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Speaker 1: that he then brings the body back. That says the story, Troy.
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Speaker 1: It may very well be the story. Look, people that
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Speaker 1: are committing murders aren't always doing things in a logical sense,
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Speaker 1: and a philanderer does not necessarily a murderer. Make so,
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Speaker 1: just because we've painted him as a bad guy who's
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Speaker 1: cheating on his wife and everyone in the neighborhood knew
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Speaker 1: about it, does mean that he killed her and the
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Speaker 1: fact that he fled, which we both know in a
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Speaker 1: court of law, could be potential evidence of consciousness of
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Speaker 1: guilt doesn't mean in and of itself he was guilty.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he thought that the path was leading in that direction,
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Speaker 1: and so in order to save his life, he basically
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Speaker 1: needed to get out of town. Okay, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this. She's dead, She drowned, drowned. The body was
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Speaker 1: tiff even, he tells the nine one one operator. One
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Speaker 1: then forced him at knife point to help put queas
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Speaker 1: body in the back of the family squbing and drive
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Speaker 1: him in the body to San Diego. Yeah, we we
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Speaker 1: we We've been driving. Are you in a car? I
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Speaker 1: have my car right here, Shadwick says. He's calling from
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Speaker 1: a gas station pay phone after another man named She
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Speaker 1: met up with them in San Diego, moved Queeze body
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Speaker 1: to a big up truck and drove off. They have
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Speaker 1: her body. They they're going to cut her up, her
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Speaker 1: body on and I think they're going. They might be
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Speaker 1: going to Mexico asn'twere even. The nine one one operator
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Speaker 1: seems dubious hold on. Police arrive on the scene while
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Speaker 1: Chadwick is still on the phone with the nine one
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Speaker 1: one operator. Okay, good, Dr Yeah, I can just hear
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Speaker 1: that nine one one dispatch quin m m Okay, Dr
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, we need to shrink with me. Dr Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: Ellie psycho analyst. So you hear this multi millionaire real
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Speaker 1: estate investor calling nine one one to claim that Juan
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Speaker 1: drowns his wife, kills her in the bathroom, then kidnaps
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Speaker 1: him and they happen to be in his uh his
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Speaker 1: luxury car by the way, and that they're met up
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Speaker 1: with a guy named g H E E. And that
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Speaker 1: they're going to take the body to Mexico to chop
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Speaker 1: it up. He didn't sound very concerned on the phone,
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Speaker 1: That's my question. I had a long wine that before
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Speaker 1: I threw that one at to Bethany. He didn't sound
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Speaker 1: too worried. He did not sound worried. Well, first of all,
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Speaker 1: this sounds a little like the dog ate my paper.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just such a story that's so not credible,
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Speaker 1: and the dispatcher listening to this, I can just hear
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Speaker 1: the eye roll or see the eye roll in my
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Speaker 1: mind's eye, the side eye eye roll. But you know,
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Speaker 1: when I was listening to Peter Chadwick's voice, his affect
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Speaker 1: is off. He sounds very hollow. There are lack of
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Speaker 1: credible details, because when people tell the truth, there are
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Speaker 1: credible details. A credible deeptail would be something like, uh,
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Speaker 1: there's this suspicious painter has been hanging around our house.
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Speaker 1: He broke in. He tried to rape my wife. I
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Speaker 1: tried to uh intervene, and then he slashed her throat.
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Speaker 1: I mean, those would be credible details. This story sounds
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Speaker 1: like it's something straight out of a novel. They're driving
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Speaker 1: over the boardy border to cut her body up into
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Speaker 1: little pieces. It sounds like it's based on fantasy rather
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Speaker 1: than something with a true near. Peter Chadwick's explanation of
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Speaker 1: QC's death has always been problematic. The story changes often
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Speaker 1: and the details are bizarre. For example, when a said
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Speaker 1: described the knife that one used to threaten him during
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Speaker 1: their sixteen hour long ordeal, Peter describes a small Swiss
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Speaker 1: Army utility knife with a blade two inches long, and
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Speaker 1: he points out that the knife blade was very dull.
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Speaker 1: In one version of the one story, the killer sits
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Speaker 1: on Peter's chest for a solid five minutes, so that
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Speaker 1: he can't attempt CPR on his dying wife, and another
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Speaker 1: one forces Peter to disrobe, but after QC is dead.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Jennifer Manzella, Newport Beach, California, Police
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Speaker 1: spokesperson and host of count Down to Capture. Let me
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Speaker 1: back it up a moment, Jennifer Manzella, after the boys
20:50
Speaker 1: are abandoned at school and left standing there in line,
20:52
Speaker 1: and the cops finally go to the mansion and they
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Speaker 1: find the blood, they find the vase, they find the safe.
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Speaker 1: What are you guys, the police doing up until the
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Speaker 1: time this nine one one call comes in. I know
21:03
Speaker 1: you weren't sitting there twiddling your thumbs. What we're played
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Speaker 1: doing absolutely not. We were working very, very diligently to
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Speaker 1: try and find this missing couple. The boys were left
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Speaker 1: with family friends to spend the night, and I cannot
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Speaker 1: imagine the night that they had wondering where their parents were.
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Speaker 1: We were searching canyon sides and hillsides near the home.
21:23
Speaker 1: We were calling more and more hospitals in wide arranging areas,
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Speaker 1: and we had air support looking out for them. Every
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Speaker 1: officer in town looking for any sign of them, tracking
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Speaker 1: down potential places on their calendar that maybe the family
21:37
Speaker 1: didn't know about, and helping beyond hope that it was
21:41
Speaker 1: a horrible misunderstanding and there was a reasonable explanation for
21:44
Speaker 1: them to be gone. So the nine one one call
21:46
Speaker 1: that came in the next morning, about five thirty in
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Speaker 1: the morning really answered a lot of questions for us.
21:51
Speaker 1: We now knew where Peter Chadwick was, but we still
21:55
Speaker 1: didn't know where his wife q C. Was. Well, according
21:57
Speaker 1: to him, she was in the trunk. As he said,
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Speaker 1: her body was already stiff. And he didn't really say
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Speaker 1: it like it bothered him at all. Okay, but that's
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Speaker 1: a whole another cannon worms. That's for Choice Slaton to
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Speaker 1: explain away Dr Bethany to analyze. But when he called in,
22:14
Speaker 1: that answered a lot of questions. So Robert Wilinsky, investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: what happened? Then they meet him at the gas station
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Speaker 1: and what happens? Okay, So the cops show up there, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and there he is, and the police take one look
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Speaker 1: at him, and he's got scratches on his neck and
22:29
Speaker 1: he has dried blood on his hands. Oh, you know,
22:33
Speaker 1: so that's suspicious. And the police continue to interview him,
22:38
Speaker 1: and the bottom line wrapping it up is that he
22:41
Speaker 1: eventually admits to this whole lie about one the painter, etcetera, etcetera,
22:46
Speaker 1: And he actually leads them to a trash bin and
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Speaker 1: his wife's body. So she's not in the back of
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Speaker 1: a truck stiff from drowning Robin Malinski. She's in a dumpster.
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Speaker 1: She's in a dumpster, unfortunately, a very sad situation, but
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Speaker 1: that is the truth, and he admits to it. So,
23:04
Speaker 1: Troy Slton, l a defense lawyer, what do you do
23:07
Speaker 1: with Peter Chadwick who first blames Juan and she and
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Speaker 1: then leads police to her body in a dumpster? What
23:17
Speaker 1: do you do with that? Troy? Well, we try and
23:20
Speaker 1: discourage anyone from talking and cooperating with police until they
23:25
Speaker 1: have Have you thought of discouraging them from killing their wives?
23:28
Speaker 1: Is it all about saving their Sorry? Nick, If I'm
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Speaker 1: representing somebody, my job is to do everything within the
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Speaker 1: bounds of the law to provide a vigorous defense for
23:39
Speaker 1: that person. Of course, nobody wants people being killed, but
23:43
Speaker 1: in this case, we we need to Number one, see
23:47
Speaker 1: if any of the statements that he gave were a
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Speaker 1: coerced or he wasn't possibly advised his miranda, what are
23:54
Speaker 1: you talking about? His statement coerced, I'm worried about the
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Speaker 1: body rotting in the dumpster, and you're worried about this millionaire, educated,
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Speaker 1: highbrow real estate investor being coworked. Nobody made him get
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Speaker 1: on the phone and call police with that big fat lie.
24:12
Speaker 1: Even Dispatch was laughing into her fist. Okay, it's such
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Speaker 1: a lie. It's stunk. It's stunk all the way from
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Speaker 1: that gas station. Nobody coerced him into that. We don't
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Speaker 1: know whether or not the story. Maybe there may be
24:25
Speaker 1: some corroborating evidence to the story. Okay, alright, alright, alright,
24:32
Speaker 1: choice late, and I'll play your game for a moment.
24:35
Speaker 1: So long story short. They noticed scratches on his neck
24:38
Speaker 1: and blood on his hands. Karen Smith, forensics expert, that's
24:41
Speaker 1: a c s I dream come true. You got that right,
24:45
Speaker 1: the scratches. He also had bruises on his neck, also
24:49
Speaker 1: on his arms and on his chest, and there were
24:51
Speaker 1: alleged bike marks as well. That tells me that que
24:55
Speaker 1: was in a fight for her life. She fought back,
24:58
Speaker 1: and she scratched him, and she bit him, and she
25:00
Speaker 1: may have kicked and punched. But let me tell you something.
25:02
Speaker 1: When I looked at the photographs of his face and
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Speaker 1: his neck and his arms and seeing the rake marks
25:08
Speaker 1: from nails, there is nothing else that caused those. You
25:11
Speaker 1: can see it on his person and the dried blood
25:14
Speaker 1: on his hands. If he had enough blood on his
25:16
Speaker 1: hands to be that overt to arresting officers. That harkens
25:20
Speaker 1: back to the crime scene and the very minute traces
25:22
Speaker 1: that were found by these fantastic detectives who I have
25:25
Speaker 1: to give kudos to the Newport Beach p D. Great job.
25:28
Speaker 1: That tells me that that scene was indeed cleaned up,
25:30
Speaker 1: because if he has enough blood on his hands to
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Speaker 1: be that overt and there wasn't any in the bathroom,
25:34
Speaker 1: he altered that crime scene. M So let me ask
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Speaker 1: you this, isn't it true? To Jennifer Manzella with a
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Speaker 1: Newport Beach police and host of Countdown to Capture podcast, Jennifer,
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Speaker 1: isn't it true that a neighbor reports hearing Quee screaming?
25:52
Speaker 1: But dismissed since we did in gathering statements from witnesses
25:55
Speaker 1: neighbors on for surveillance video, things like that we came
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Speaker 1: across a neighbor who remembers hearing a woman's scream that morning.
26:03
Speaker 1: We can't get into too many specifics about the case,
26:07
Speaker 1: but we did document that statement from her that may
26:10
Speaker 1: or may not be something that we need to enter
26:12
Speaker 1: an evidence at trial. Yes, well, I would imagine it
26:14
Speaker 1: would certainly at least start the timeline when the neighbor
26:17
Speaker 1: here screams. What amazes me, Dr Bethany Marshall, if I
26:20
Speaker 1: hear a woman screaming bloody murder, I'm calling nine one one,
26:23
Speaker 1: what's going on out there in l A and Beverly
26:26
Speaker 1: heels and he knows how nine one one, Nancy. I mean,
26:30
Speaker 1: it's frightening this person hears her screaming and she doesn't
26:33
Speaker 1: even come to her aid in any way. You know
26:35
Speaker 1: what really strikes me about Peter Chadwick is that he
26:39
Speaker 1: feels that the rules do not apply to him. Knowing
26:43
Speaker 1: that he has killed his wife, he doesn't even make
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Speaker 1: sure he doesn't even plan it ahead of time to
26:49
Speaker 1: make sure someone is there to pick up his sons.
26:52
Speaker 1: He doesn't adhere to the rules of fidelity in a marriage.
26:56
Speaker 1: He doth andy Dr Bethany Hey, he killed his wife
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Speaker 1: and dumpter in the Dixie dumpster. You think he's worried
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Speaker 1: about his kids standing there late to soccer practice. I
27:07
Speaker 1: don't think so. I can't believe neighbors don't bother to
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Speaker 1: pick up and call. In mind, when one that goes
27:12
Speaker 1: all the way back to the stunning case of Kitty
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Speaker 1: JENNEVISI that was raped and murdered, and all the neighbors
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Speaker 1: just watched and did nothing, and and so much was
27:20
Speaker 1: made of it. It's still happening today right there in
27:24
Speaker 1: that posh Barely Hills neighborhood. Apparently, police now saying the
27:29
Speaker 1: two have been arguing about divorce, but another issue comes up.
27:35
Speaker 1: So they see the scratches on his neck, they see
27:37
Speaker 1: the blood on his hands, They hear his affect on
27:40
Speaker 1: the phone that Jennifer and Dr Bethany and Robin were
27:44
Speaker 1: talking about. They arrest him, but somehow, as fate would
27:48
Speaker 1: have it, they let him post bond. A judge lets
27:52
Speaker 1: him post a million dollar bond. That means you gotta
27:55
Speaker 1: put up a hundred thousand dollars, which a guy that
27:58
Speaker 1: that's chump changed to him, um, and and what does
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Speaker 1: he do? He goes on the run. Listen to this
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Speaker 1: from our friend Pat La Lama at Crime Watch Daily.
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Speaker 1: We just knew and understood the fact that they did
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Speaker 1: not have the money people believed that they had, and
28:15
Speaker 1: she blew a lot of their financial issues on Peter.
28:18
Speaker 1: Investigators say the Chadwicks were having frequent arguments and that
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Speaker 1: que was even thinking about ending the marriage. We found
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Speaker 1: out she did talk about divorce a few times, but
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Speaker 1: nothing was finalized, and she didn't submit any paywork to
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Speaker 1: the courts or anything. And friend Karen Thorpe noticed Queen
28:34
Speaker 1: was increasingly distancing herself from her husband the last year
28:39
Speaker 1: or two. Uh, Queen was very much more independent than
28:42
Speaker 1: she had been. She lost some weight, she was learning
28:45
Speaker 1: to do her makeup, she was spending more money on
28:47
Speaker 1: herself on clothing, and she would go on trips with
28:50
Speaker 1: her girlfriends at times. And I don't know if if
28:54
Speaker 1: Peter liked that very well. Beliefs believe we may have
28:57
Speaker 1: also suspected Peter was cheating on her, and Orange County
29:01
Speaker 1: d A Tony Ricacca says her suspicions were confirmed in
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Speaker 1: the most shocking way. Just days before she was murdered.
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Speaker 1: Peter brought home some sexually transmitted diseases and so that
29:13
Speaker 1: was creating a tremendous um hardship with her, But police
29:19
Speaker 1: still don't have enough evidence to prove Chadwick killed his
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Speaker 1: wife until Quea's body is found in a dumpster in
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Speaker 1: suburban San Diego and the coroner determines she had been strangled.
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Speaker 1: The evidence is really is really pretty clear. It includes
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Speaker 1: pictures of Chadwick with scratches on his neck, blood spatter
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Speaker 1: in the couple's bathroom evidence of a fight there, and
29:43
Speaker 1: that surveillance video of the family sub leaving their home
29:47
Speaker 1: with no sign of Wan in the car. That's from
29:50
Speaker 1: our forensic crime watch Deely Pat li Lama. Where is
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Speaker 1: Peter Chadwick coming home with STD? Sexually transmitted diseases? Hey, guys,
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Speaker 1: a you don't already know this. You don't get that
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Speaker 1: from the top of a commode, So when you pop
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Speaker 1: up with an STD, you know where it came from.
30:06
Speaker 1: I guess she was distancing herself from her husband. So
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Manzella, Newport Beach Police folkesperson and host of Countdown
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Speaker 1: to capture how in the hey did this guy get away?
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about where he may be now?
30:21
Speaker 1: And how did he get out of the country that's
30:23
Speaker 1: a very good question. So we're not sure that he
30:26
Speaker 1: is out of the country. He literally could be anywhere
30:29
Speaker 1: in the world because he had access to bank accounts
30:33
Speaker 1: that he emptied of millions of dollars before he fled,
30:36
Speaker 1: and he also took out cast advances on a number
30:38
Speaker 1: of credit cards. But we arrested him, judge granted him
30:42
Speaker 1: the right to bail out on his charges, and he
30:46
Speaker 1: attended his free trial hearings for two years, but he
30:49
Speaker 1: never showed up in January and we've never been able
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Speaker 1: to find him since. Out to Robin Willinski, investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: on the case, Robin, what can you tell me about
31:00
Speaker 1: what was found in a Santa Barbara place where he
31:03
Speaker 1: was staying after the murder. Well, there were a couple
31:05
Speaker 1: of books, you know. After they let him go on
31:07
Speaker 1: the bond, Nancy, he went to live allegedly with his
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Speaker 1: father in Santa Barbara, and he was awaiting trial in January.
31:13
Speaker 1: When he never shows, well, they go and they look
31:15
Speaker 1: through his stuff and there were three books, Okay, book
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Speaker 1: number one, how to change your identity, Book number two,
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Speaker 1: How to Live on the Run successfully, and book at
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Speaker 1: number three, which is the most telling surviving in Mexico.
31:28
Speaker 1: Back to Jennifer Manzella, host of Countdown to Capture, Explain
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Speaker 1: to me how you guys created Countdown to Capture and
31:36
Speaker 1: what you are hoping to achieve. We had discussions between
31:41
Speaker 1: myself and the detectives that we wanted to do another
31:44
Speaker 1: big push on this case. They asked if we could
31:46
Speaker 1: come up with a creative way to spread the word
31:48
Speaker 1: about this case again, because we've been able to secure
31:51
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollar reward for information leading to Peter
31:54
Speaker 1: Chadwick's capture, and he's our only outstanding homicide suspect, so
31:58
Speaker 1: we really don't like having the sluice end stories. Have
32:01
Speaker 1: issued a one hundred thousand dollar reward to try to
32:05
Speaker 1: find Peter Chadwick. To Robin Willinski, investigative reporter, have there
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Speaker 1: been any signings? What's the best guests there? There was
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Speaker 1: one where he was seen allegedly at the Santa Barbara
32:18
Speaker 1: Airport and there was some security video Nancy where they
32:21
Speaker 1: believed that they saw him arriving at a taxi cab
32:25
Speaker 1: and then six hours later they're watching all the videos
32:28
Speaker 1: there at the airport and they see him leaving in
32:31
Speaker 1: a different taxi wearing different clothes, and at that point
32:35
Speaker 1: there's no cell phone. The cellphone was shut off and
32:38
Speaker 1: later you know, founded a dumpster somewheres else. This guy
32:41
Speaker 1: could be anywhere. Well, we know that he has traveled
32:43
Speaker 1: to China, Malaysia, Thailand, Canada, that he's got millions of
32:48
Speaker 1: dollars of cash accessible to Jennifer Manzella countdown to capture.
32:54
Speaker 1: Did he leave any money behind to take care of
32:56
Speaker 1: his children? He took all of the cash that he
32:58
Speaker 1: had access to. And not only that, not only the cash,
33:01
Speaker 1: but he took out those cash advances. So he just
33:04
Speaker 1: left behind a lack of support and debt for the boy.
33:07
Speaker 1: The most obvious thing would be to go to Mexico.
33:09
Speaker 1: You get over that border which you can simply walk across,
33:13
Speaker 1: and you've got millions of dollars in US money. Question
33:17
Speaker 1: to Robin Willinsky, could any of the funds be traced?
33:21
Speaker 1: Did he move any of the funds to a different account? No,
33:24
Speaker 1: he liquidated it all. It's all in cash, Nancy, And
33:27
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, this guy's in a lot of trouble
33:28
Speaker 1: if he's ever found. But boy, could he hide out
33:30
Speaker 1: in Mexico? Change his appearance, change his clothing, change his identity. Listen,
33:34
Speaker 1: he's been reading the books for two years. He knows
33:36
Speaker 1: exactly what to do. You know? To Jennifer Manzella, how
33:40
Speaker 1: many millions of dollars do we think he took with him? Um,
33:44
Speaker 1: we're comfortable saying multiple millions of dollars. He should have
33:48
Speaker 1: enough that could be two or thirty. I know, I
33:50
Speaker 1: don't have an exact figure for you. Um, he had
33:53
Speaker 1: access to a number of bank accounts that were for
33:55
Speaker 1: his family business. The real estate investing is a business
33:58
Speaker 1: that's run through his family, so he had access to
34:01
Speaker 1: a number of commercial accounts as well. Straight out to
34:04
Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensics expert, how do you go about finding
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Speaker 1: the money if he transferred money to some other account?
34:13
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard for me to imagine a guy
34:15
Speaker 1: actually traveling with five to ten million dollars of cash
34:19
Speaker 1: on him. I can't either. I don't know if he
34:21
Speaker 1: has it in a safe place that he has access
34:24
Speaker 1: to a storage facility. Maybe, but you know you're not
34:26
Speaker 1: gonna stuff to three five million dollars in a backpack
34:29
Speaker 1: and walk around with it a It would weigh too much.
34:32
Speaker 1: That's a lot of money. If you haven't seen that
34:34
Speaker 1: amount of money in front of you. It wouldn't fit
34:36
Speaker 1: in a suitcase, it wouldn't fit in a knapsack. This
34:39
Speaker 1: is he's got to have some kind of storage facility
34:42
Speaker 1: or somewhere that he can have access to the cash
34:44
Speaker 1: without having to do financial transactions paper trails, credit card trails,
34:48
Speaker 1: a t M trails, something like that. Really, though, all
34:52
Speaker 1: he had to do is get the money in cash
34:55
Speaker 1: and then put it in some other account under a
34:57
Speaker 1: different name. Then no matter where he goes, he could
35:01
Speaker 1: draw on that account. It's not like he's carrying the
35:04
Speaker 1: cash around with him. Troyce light In l a defense lawyer,
35:07
Speaker 1: You've represented so many different types of nefarious dealings and clients.
35:12
Speaker 1: How would you if you were concocting this financial scheme.
35:17
Speaker 1: How do you believe he did it? Well? Nancy, There's
35:21
Speaker 1: there's many different ways to accomplish financial crimes. Obviously, I'm
35:27
Speaker 1: not in the business of helping my clients commit crimes.
35:30
Speaker 1: I'm in the business of helping reduce or mitigate the
35:34
Speaker 1: problems once they've been caught or are about to be caught.
35:38
Speaker 1: That being said, Uh, you you had it right. Uh.
35:42
Speaker 1: Somebody can open up accounts in different names. There's an
35:45
Speaker 1: other countries, unlike the United States, they don't require the
35:49
Speaker 1: same amount of identification and proof of identity that they
35:56
Speaker 1: do here in the United States. So he may very
35:59
Speaker 1: well have here. Every time you make a cast transfer
36:01
Speaker 1: of ten thousand dollars or more, I remember when this
36:05
Speaker 1: was instituted you, it's reported. The bank reports it immediately
36:08
Speaker 1: to the FEDS because they think it could be connected
36:11
Speaker 1: to drugs or money laundering so here in the US,
36:15
Speaker 1: or terrorism so here in the US. If you do
36:18
Speaker 1: any kind of transfer, especially cash wise ten thousand bucks,
36:22
Speaker 1: you get flagged. Not so in other countries. I guarantee you.
36:26
Speaker 1: This guy gets across the border to Mexico, gets fake
36:29
Speaker 1: I D and high tels it abroad. He has access
36:32
Speaker 1: to accounts. He probably traveled with a ton of cash
36:35
Speaker 1: with him, started an account for under ten thousand bucks
36:38
Speaker 1: in the US somewhere, and that was his start with
36:43
Speaker 1: probably an intricate maze of financial dealings. There is a
36:48
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollar reward. Take a listen to count
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Speaker 1: down to Capture a podcast with Jennifer Manzella. Newport Beach
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Speaker 1: Police tipline one eight three three six zero one zero
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Speaker 1: O two. That's US Marshall. Of course, he's abroad, now
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Speaker 1: internationally called the American Embassy or Consulate one eight hundred
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Speaker 1: three three six zero one zero too, Peter Chadwick, You
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Speaker 1: can run, buddy, but you can't hide. Nancy Grace Crime Stories,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,