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Rewind: Marty Stuart & Justin Townes Earle on Cowboy Psychedelia and Surviving the Storm · Kyle Meredith With...

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• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's me Kyle Manit today.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a special rewind episode.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking back at two of my interviews.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: One with Marty Stewart's, a guy who's spent his life making country music look cooler than it probably deserves to.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: He was touring with Johnny Cash before he could legally run a car.
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: Winning Grammys for both his guitar work and his suits.
• 1:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: and carrying the torch for Hunkytonk, Gospel, and Bluegrass all at once will also be revisiting an interview with the late Justin Towns Earl who of course wrote songs like you knew the clock was running out, especially when you listened to them in hindsight.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: They were poetic.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: They were weary.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: They were sharp as broken glass, I guess you could say.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: The son of Steve Earl sure, but always chasing his own crooked path.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: He left behind a catalog that feels both timeless and bruised.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: But first, we're going to start with Mr. Marty Stewart.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: We recorded this back in 2017 when he was putting out a record called Way Out West.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Cowboy music, but also a psychedelic love letter to the American West, surf guitars, desert ghosts,
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  [SPEAKER_05]: even as Simpsons were the coyotes spirit, so that's where we're going to jump in on part one of this rewind episode, it's Kyle Meredith, with Marty Stewart.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, Kyle, how are you?
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Are you excited to have you back here in Louisville?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad to be coming back.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, beyond all that, I've really been enjoying this new record way out west.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I know we're here to talk about, and I think we can jump right into it, too.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Safe to say that this is cowboy music, real cowboy music.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know, it's the outer edge of cowboy music, and when I was doing my television show, if we needed a song, you know, one of the beauties of that show was, you know, every song needed every show needed seven songs.
• 3:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so if I needed a particular kind of song, and I didn't have it, I thought we'll have out right it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I wrote this song one day called Ole Mexico, and I thought that's pretty cool song.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I played that for Marty Robbins' viewer around it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I started this list called Way Out West, which I thought would just kind of be Western songs.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But the more I thought about that title Way Out West, I thought, well, that could be psychedelic with flying saucers and being in the Mahabhi Desert and seeing
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  [SPEAKER_01]: things go upside down and sideways and inside out of the well you know that's a cool concept so the record kind of started with that one song on Mexico and developing the kind of a love letter for the American West and all the things that inspired me.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, and that's so perfect, too.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that was the first song I really centered in on the record for what that's worth.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, the first thing that comes to mind may be obviously is Marty Robbins, just one of the greatest writers of all time.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think it's been talked about a lot.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Like the curiosity why country music has always sort of had a fascination with that part of the West and to Mexico.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think, yeah, I hear you.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: When I was a kid, probably the first record I wrote was a Johnny Cash record, and there was a song on their called, don't take your guns to town.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Right, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it transported me from my bedroom down in Mississippi, you know, after the West and telling those stories.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And, of course, the whole culture of California, those television guns smoke and have guns with travels and one of the dead are alive with Steve McQueen.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: are to close the Puerto Ragnar War or the Batmobile or Lily Munster or all those surf songs and the Gogo dancers.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: California just seemed like a dream land to me from, you know, down in Mississippi.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was Chris Kirk's, it was just kind of the home of custom culture.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And when I finally got to go see the West, it, I was absolutely floored.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was so beautiful.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And there was a romanticism about it, a mysticism about it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And
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  [SPEAKER_01]: got bigger than life, and I think a lot of America is defined in a lot of people's minds around the globe, you know, by the way, and I'm one of those people.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I guess a lot of that makes sense now, the way you're talking about it, once you throw in the other aspects too, with, you know, the aliens and everything, because first off, the instruments, I never noticed how close surf rock was with desert rock, and they almost flash up against each other.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know keep going.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If you listen to the instrumentals that bands like Bucco and the Buccarus were playing a mrlhager in the strangers, there was such a raise with then line between what they were doing and what the ventures were doing and what the shadows were doing are doing eddy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know it was all kind of just twang based instrumentals.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'd love to serve Rock for so long and Desert Rock 2 and especially a lot of those instrumentals and you're the you've tied it all together for me for history and we'll be right back right after this.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome back it's Kyle and Meredith with Marty Stewart.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: This song the title track to go further into what you were saying.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean that's a complete desert trip and I'll put trip in and italicized right there with a capital queue.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: What inspired that song?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I have no earthly idea that is a truth I was sitting.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We had come from Southern California and I talked to Mike Campbell.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I taken this concept out to Mike Campbell and just kind of played in some songs I said I need a producer and our shepherd or a coach or whatever you want to call it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you're the guy and I said you'll keep me honest and you'll keep the songs on us and I said now I don't think this is a record that needs to be recorded in
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It definitely needs to be recorded in Southern California.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, he said, yeah, and I was excited and inspired and got back in the tour bus, and I think we were headed to Idaho, and I was sitting in the front of the bus with a little Martin guitar, and I started writing the words to these songs, or that song, where I West.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I remember looking at it going with us, really, and I started laughing, and I took a nap, and when I woke up,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I looked at the words again and went, well, it is kind of nuts, but it's kind of interesting and I wrote another verse and I played it for the band of sound check and our sound man met Conley, he just happened to hit the button and he recorded our sound check version of the song and I listened back to it when it, that's pretty cool.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I have no idea where it came from or why it came, that's kind of the story.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: That's sort of the other folklore or the West, and maybe it's not a folklore or it's not the right word, because there's a lot of stories in it.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: In fact, I don't know, I'm getting off track here, but there was an episode of the Simpsons that had Johnny Cash in it, and he was the spirit of a coyote during a drugdoubt desert trip.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: So you've just written the soundtrack for that episode.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what you'd say.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what you'd say.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, you mentioned Mike Campbell, uh, two of, you know, you and him, both known as masters of your craft.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, you guys ever do it out up there?
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Is, is there one better than the other?
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, God, I'd defer to Mike Campbell any day of the week.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: He's one of, there's a reason why he's in the rock and roll hall of fame, but I'm not.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we met was in 1996.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was when Johnny Cash was doing those American recordings.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And the second record was called Unchained.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And the band on that record was Tom Perry and Heartbreakers and Me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And there was a song called Rusty Cage.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: The third garden record.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The Rick Rubin had asked John to record John didn't like it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And Rick asked me in my Campbell Stale for the Session.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's work on that Rusty Cage song.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We sit there with two guitars, two acoustic guitars, and Rick was just talking the words into a microphone.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Trying to come up with an arrangement of that song that John would see into, and so I just started going, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And Mike started playing along, and that was the get-in-one place for me and him as guitar pals.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And we became, you know, lifelong buddies right there.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just think, you know, Tom Fettie has never written a bad song in his life.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's true that band is incapable of playing a bad song, I think.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But I have a feeling that all those songs are a whole lot better and brighter on account of my Campbell.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think he's a brilliant player, he's a brilliant arranger, and it's just absolutely great.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I'd kind of wonder, and you've sort of already answered the question, and I might be going somewhere where, you know, this really doesn't exist, but since you wrote these songs kind of on the way over the years, I do find that it comes out at a really interesting time with everything that's happening out there, and suddenly Native Americans are back in the forefront of the news, was standing in a rock, and I was kind of curious if that was on your mind at all as you were putting out a record like this.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Timing lines, no, but the bottom line is the Native Americans are always on my mind because, you
• 10:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been going up to Pine Ridge South Dakota since the early 80s and actually I've been adopted in the tribe in County got married up there and those Lakota people are like family to me and you know the thing it's just in my mind it's just one more chapter in their lives of them being overlooked and run over.
• 10:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: and uh... taken advantage of so uh... you know there's always an injustice up there there's just always an injustice but they need all the friends they can get and they have one in me and uh... i was just up there maybe a month ago and uh... tended some ceremonies and i tell you those people need all the friends they can get but if there's anything i do it you know raises any kind of hope or awareness at the end of the day i'm a white boy you know i can't fix anything but i can play music that you know
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Waves the flag for them from time to time.
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's definitely noticeable to me.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: So it's got to be out there to some other folks too.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: I love this record.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I've listened to it so many times over the past few weeks, and you really have captured the spirit of a place and of an era and even a present era in some respects.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: So thank you so much for the music and the album and the conversation today, Marty.
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, sir.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for building your show.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we'll see you in Louisville.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, man.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: There's Marty Stewart from 2017 talking about the album.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: We out west will be right back right after this.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome back.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's Kyle.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Mayor now time for part two of this rewind episode.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: Looking back at one of my interviews with the late Justin towns Earl.
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: Justin and I had running with each other several times, several different interviews over the years.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: The one I'm going to give you though is from 2010, it's my favorite of his.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: Justin was, he was on top of the Americana world.
• 12:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: He had proven himself against his name, not just a legacy act, is what I mean.
• 12:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: And we caught up backstage at Fort Castle Festival, he were Louisville.
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: We got the talk about substance abuse to his storied parental problems, all that had been well documented in his songs.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: He had just had some major acclaim with 2010's Harlem River Blues and had returned when we talked about here with nothing's going to change the way you feel about me now, a musical send-off to that old stacks and Memphis sound.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, we got into age, parenting, and roots, and much more, heading back to 2012, part two of this rewind episode.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: It's Kyle Meredith with Justin Town's Earl.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: We are talking to the one and only Justin Town's Earl on a very, very rainy day out here from the man who wrote Memphis in the rain.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to say this in your faults.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not, I'm, I decided I've been opening the settle that I'm not going to do.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did do obvious.
• 13:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's awesome to see you again, man.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: What an incredible couple of years you've been having.
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's been a very interesting couple, it's for sure.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you spend the first few years of year career just kind of trying to establish yourself and then suddenly Harlem River's blues takes off and leading into this latest record with nothing's been changed when we put about now.
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, with an album title that's suddenly a challenge to Fiona Abel for who can make the longest.
• 13:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I just thought I was thinking about it.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was the first song that was the second song that I wrote, I thank for the record.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And when I, I didn't have a working title, which I usually do when I can write a record, I had a working title before I started writing it.
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: But this time I didn't, and when I got done with that, I thought about it being that I was starting to know so it's like now, and then I just kept writing and got it into this.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then once I got down to make the record, I was just like, well, it's like,
• 14:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, you're why not?
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why not do those?
• 14:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: Knowing that everyone's just going to call it.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: Nothing's going to change.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that's it.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: But that almost even changes the whole meaning of the final life thing.
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that it's like bastardizing me.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it kind of needs it.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those things that has, it's a mixed message in the first place.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's in one way, the song itself is in one way, a song to make trying to make every woman feel bad for sure, but then, you know, I think last year with the Harlem River Blues tour and especially with the kind of rough beginning to that we had, you know, I think I also, you know, that title also means that, you know, I've kind of been branded since then, you know, and, but it actually turned out to
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not, it hasn't been in a bad way, but it's also like people kind of, uh, people like, uh, are a little less prone to approach me these days.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I actually kind of, I kind of dig it.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you get it.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: You get a reputation then.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's, uh, it's a cool rock-and-roll reputation is what you've got.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's been fun to see that happen.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: But I guess that is kind of almost the irony is that you have changed, you know?
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I,
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that I had a really hard arm, you know, my 20s were the fact that I survived my 20s is a miracle, you know, and I believe that will hardly believe that there's really genuinely no.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no reason I can think of why I should be standing here sitting here right now, you know, and that's, because I did everything to kind of go the other direction, and, you know, and I just, I think when I hit, when I hit 30, it was just like kind of,
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it seemed like it almost gave me the permission to just relax a little bit.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like I gave, I gave for some reason I let up on myself and was able to to really just stop and take a look and, you know, because that is one of those things that will make it kind of look back on.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, when you realize that you're 20s, they're just like a really just ridiculous blur, like the damage to yours and a lot of people's lives,
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, unless you're just, uh, you know, sociopathic then you're gonna take some stock and try to probably re-evaluate things a little bit.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no one can say that you didn't live it, you know, that you sucked everything you could out of a decade, right?
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, much like I did with my teens, too.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just like I was,
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of lived, you know, it's like they have that saying live every day like, you know, it's going to be your last kind of thing.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: But there's several ways to go about that and I was going about that the wrong way.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, trying, like doing things that will probably kill you just because you may die tomorrow is not.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not really all that wise of a thing, you know.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not living, but then again like I'm moving to California, you know.
• 17:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not that bad, right?
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, you know, it's just a, I had to change my perception.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of interesting, seeing the kind of kid that you were, and seeing the kind of the relationship you've had with your own parents.
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Could you, are you, do you want to be a parent one day?
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to have to deal with someone being like you?
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, well, I think that you don't.
• 17:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think I know in my heart and in my head that, you know, I do want to have children one day, but there is no way in hell in any child of mine is going to grow up the way that I did.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm so I am not going to, you know, I'm not going to have, I don't have any plans to have any children until I'm have a little bit more setback.
• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm definitely, I'm just at the point where I'm actually out of debt from my early career and I'm starting to actually make money, but you know it's like if I had a kid right now I would have I could not bring myself to keep touring like I did I just don't think that that I just I would not feel right about you know missing the first day of school to ask if all that like are anything you know any of that you know
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: coming right you know at least you know you know if they get in trouble you know like you know what are you gonna do is like yeah I did that too yeah even worse I think I think the biggest thing too is like is the way to I think I have a pretty like good idea of what we're wrong and why I ended up getting it a lot of trouble you know it's because you know I mean it's like I think that I
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: As long as I pay attention to what was done around me and just do the opposite, then I'll have a pretty good chance.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty good pair of things.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Writing about, you know, a lot of the subject you've written about, which does involve family and everything like that.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Trevor, when you're writing that, when you're getting back recording that stuff going, you know, they're going to hear this.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and was that ever a problem?
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I think that,
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've always been a very kind of out in the open, my family's always been a kind of out in the open kind of family, my, um, you know, I don't think, you know, it's like I grew up with like,
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like when I was, when I was in like, you know, second or third dread and I hadn't seen my father in like a year and a half, it's like I had kids coming in throwing newspapers down with headlines of, you know, our whole bust and, you know, I mean, so it's like I always had to be able to be in a public format, you know, and so why, why shouldn't that?
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and there's a great line in moving on where you talk to your mom and you both pretend you don't know why, but it's all written there.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I think it's, you know, it's kind of like, to my mom until like all kind of, you know, especially southern mothers.
• 20:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're, they're very much, they'll say, they'll talk all about it.
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're children that they want to, but if anybody else knows, you know, it's going to be, it's going to be troubled.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's... I know all about that.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's like... Yeah.
• 20:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, nothing's going to change.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a great record.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's documented now.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: You kind of go in with that, you know, that stacks sound.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Memphis sound.
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was recorded so fast.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: The entire thing was done so fast.
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if I can wonder, are you already kind of looking forward to the next one?
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I mean, I'm kind of... I have several songs.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of write songs in groups.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: They'll be through your...
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Three or four going at once and I I do that and so like I have I have about three or four songs going right now And I know I know I am riding a new record When it'll be I'm not I don't have any projections when when will be on the studio?
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know I like to make each record You know I don't want to I want to do something you know challenging you know and and so I think you know this record I'm gonna
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: die the little deeper into, you know, the primitive, like the roots of what became rhythm and blues music, you know, with why the Delta made its way north and why country music slid last and why, you know, it's a thing that I, you know, I have a good understanding of and it's, I think it's something that
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, my, my rapper, several, I've always kind of seen them as just basically like, you know, it's just like a study of American years and yeah, you know, it's just like, it's just the show and showing their, it's, you know, trying to show where it comes from and you know, because any songwriter that it says that nobody can find where their bodies are buried is probably not a good songwriter right now.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: So many careers are laid out in front of you, but yeah, well, thank you for the music.
• 22:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Every bit of it so far because the record's every single one of you, you know, it's amazing the layers that are on them, you know, when you listen to them and you hear the rhythm and melody begin with, and then
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: You get into lyrics and everything's happening so thank you so much and thanks for your Thanks for your support.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's been great.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: All right, good to see you again.
• 22:42
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