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The Kenny Report | 5 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me Tonight, the Tasmanian Liberal premier loses
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  Speaker 3: a no confidence motion and an election beckons as the
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  Speaker 3: Federal Liberals lose another seat.
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  Speaker 4: To the Tials.
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  Speaker 3: More on media games over Gaza as a former ABC
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  Speaker 3: Middle East correspondent becomes a Greens MP and slams Israel.
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  Speaker 3: And there's good news for the Jewish wellness practitioner banned
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  Speaker 3: by that health festival in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 4: She'll join me again. Also the drought, Trump slaps on.
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  Speaker 3: New immigration bands and the coalition hardens up on the supertax.
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  Speaker 5: Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair joined me too.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get into it. So it seems to me.
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  Speaker 3: That there are a lot of politicians who have become
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  Speaker 3: confused about what their primary task is, what they believe in,
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  Speaker 3: what their.
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  Speaker 4: Main aim should be.
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  Speaker 3: So let me show them something that should give them
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  Speaker 3: a little inspiration. This is one hundred meters hurdle race
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  Speaker 3: for the state high school title.
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  Speaker 4: In Oregon in the US.
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  Speaker 3: And the girl who leads the race knows what her
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  Speaker 3: job is to get across the finish line first.
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  Speaker 6: No matter what, we got a nice start here, for
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  Speaker 6: the five egg Girls one hundred meter hurdles as Brooklyn
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  Speaker 6: Anderson cruising out in front, who can finish behind Brooklyn Knoll,
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  Speaker 6: Brooklyn summrsaults her way.
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  Speaker 7: To the lead.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant stuff, Brooklyn Anderson. She didn't spend too long
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  Speaker 3: examining her full She just knew another Summersault would get
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  Speaker 3: her to the line.
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  Speaker 5: Compare that to the Coalition on Labour's planned new superannuation tax.
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  Speaker 3: Shadow treasure A Ted O'Brien seem to trip at the
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  Speaker 3: first hurdle earlier this week.
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  Speaker 8: When it comes to all policies, including this one, the
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  Speaker 8: Coalition will always be open. However, that doesn't mean a
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  Speaker 8: blank check. If indeed Jim Charmers wants to come and
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  Speaker 8: have a discussion with the Coalition about his super tax,
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  Speaker 8: well he would have to firstly walk away from the
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  Speaker 8: unrealized capital gains component. At least he should be compromising
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  Speaker 8: on indexation. Now if he caves in on all of
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  Speaker 8: those things, and what's talk about super reform, Shari, let's
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  Speaker 8: have a chat about super reform.
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  Speaker 3: Really talk to the coalition about increasing taxes?
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  Speaker 5: Is that really what the.
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  Speaker 3: Coalition's role is is that the finishing line they're aiming
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  Speaker 3: for even increasing taxes on superannuation. Because on the ABC
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  Speaker 3: last night the Treasurer of Jim Charmers made it clear
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  Speaker 3: that's what this so called reform is all about. It's
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  Speaker 3: just a tax grab for a government that can't control
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  Speaker 3: it's spending.
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  Speaker 9: In a world where the budget is not sustainable enough
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  Speaker 9: when it comes to the pressures that come from the
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  Speaker 9: aging of our population, pressures on the health system, the
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  Speaker 9: NDIS and all the rest of it. It's an important
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  Speaker 9: budget repair measure and we intend to proceed with it.
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  Speaker 4: HM.
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  Speaker 3: Rather than improve super for retirees or get rid of
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  Speaker 3: the roots and waste in the ISS, labor just wants
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  Speaker 3: to raise more tax dollars, tax you more. Maybe that
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  Speaker 3: clarity did the job for the coalition, because today O'Brien
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  Speaker 3: remembered what the coalition was supposed to.
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  Speaker 5: Be doing and he somersaulted for the line.
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  Speaker 8: We will definitely as a coalition oppose this unfair super
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  Speaker 8: tax of labors every step of the way.
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  Speaker 3: That's better, that's clearer. The coalition must stand for lower taxes,
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  Speaker 3: just on that super tax. I got a great email
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  Speaker 3: from a viewer, Jeff today from Victoria, and it went
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  Speaker 3: like this. I went down to my travel agent today
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  Speaker 3: and wanted to book a cruise through the Greek Islands.
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  Speaker 3: When asked how I was paying, I said I had
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  Speaker 3: a piece of paper with some unrealized capital gains on
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  Speaker 3: it and was hoping that would.
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  Speaker 5: Do as it seemed to be okay with the government.
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  Speaker 3: Can't understand why they politely told me to come back
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  Speaker 3: another day with real money. Yeah, brilliant stuff, Jeff. You've
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  Speaker 3: got to laugh at this madness. Your unrealized gains are
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  Speaker 3: worthless in fact, their imaginary until you realize them, and
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  Speaker 3: for a government to tax those imagined profits is a
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  Speaker 3: crazy step and it would set a terrible precedent. Now,
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  Speaker 3: as the Liberal Party struggles with its post election identity crisis,
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  Speaker 3: the so called moderates continue to suggest that the party
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  Speaker 3: needs to drift to the left, they say, to the center,
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  Speaker 3: become more like the Teals in order to win city seats.
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  Speaker 3: But even though that's exactly what the Liberals have been doing,
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  Speaker 3: backing that zero by twenty fifty and all the rest
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  Speaker 3: of it, and desperately pre selecting women in the crucial
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  Speaker 3: target seats, this strategy is failing. The latest example is
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  Speaker 3: in the seat of Bradfield, where on a recount the
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  Speaker 3: Teal candidate Nicolette Buller has one defeating moderate Liberal woman
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  Speaker 3: just Sell Capterian.
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  Speaker 5: So this idea that you defeat the Teals by.
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  Speaker 3: Imitating them seems to have been disproven time and again.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, the Liberals ran mainly women against the Teal MPs,
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  Speaker 3: but the only seat that was won back from the
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  Speaker 3: Tills was Goldstein one by former MP Tim Wilson.
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  Speaker 4: Young Ish kind of moderate.
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  Speaker 3: For sure, but a bloke politics is a little more
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  Speaker 3: complicated than seeking to copy your opponents. Now, certainly the
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  Speaker 3: Liberals need more female candidates, They need more quality female candidates,
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  Speaker 3: and they need more quality men too. But what they
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  Speaker 3: need most of all is a bit of certainty about
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  Speaker 3: what they stand for and a bit of intelligence and
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  Speaker 3: vigor in advocating for it. I want to follow up
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  Speaker 3: on the media lies and propaganda when it comes to Gaza,
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  Speaker 3: Hamas and Israel that I focused on here last night.
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  Speaker 3: You'll remember the White House spokesperson Caroline Leavitt called out
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  Speaker 3: the BBC.
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  Speaker 10: We don't take the word of Hamas with total truth.
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  Speaker 10: We like to look into it when they speak, Unlike
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  Speaker 10: the BBC, who had multiple headlines. They wrote Israeli tank
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  Speaker 10: kills twenty six, Israeli tank kills, twenty one, Israeli gunfire
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  Speaker 10: kills thirty one Red Cross as twenty one people were
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  Speaker 10: killed in an eight incident, and then oh wait, they
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  Speaker 10: had to correct and take down their entire story, saying
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  Speaker 10: we reviewed the footage and couldn't find any evidence of anything.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, pretty self explanatory. And I think it's great that
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  Speaker 3: she called them out. Our government should do the same
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  Speaker 3: instead of amplifying wild claims from Hummas. But the BBC's
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  Speaker 3: so called fat checker, a bloke called Ross Atkins, has
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  Speaker 3: hit back now. I've shown you some of his work before,
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  Speaker 3: where he attacked me for not adopting climate alarmist claims
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  Speaker 3: about our bushfires a couple of years ago. Like everyone
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  Speaker 3: on the Green Lift, Atkins, climate alarmism is an article.
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  Speaker 4: Of faith, not facts.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, he tried to fight back on behalf of the
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  Speaker 3: BBC over the Gaza coverage today.
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  Speaker 11: This contains a mix of misrepresentations and untruth. When speaking,
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  Speaker 11: Carolin Levitt held up a print out. It showed a
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  Speaker 11: post on X by a student activist. Its focus and
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  Speaker 11: hers was the BBC's coverage on Sunday, residents had reported
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  Speaker 11: Israeli fired near an AID center. Over the course of
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  Speaker 11: the day, the BBC repeatedly updated its coverage, as his
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  Speaker 11: standard on a breaking news story. Updated claims on fatalities
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  Speaker 11: were all clearly attributed to a number of sources in Gaza,
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  Speaker 11: including the Red Cross, which is an independent organization.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to love the way Atkins focuses on the
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  Speaker 3: Red Cross, because most of the BBC reports cited the
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  Speaker 3: Gaza Gaza Health Ministry, or local medics, or local rescuers,
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  Speaker 3: even local residents. In other words, the BBC cited sources
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  Speaker 3: who were either direct hummaus, operatives controlled by Hummas, or
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  Speaker 3: living under the threat of Hummus. Indeed, even the Red
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  Speaker 3: Cross could fall under this category in Gaza.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: After that pathetic defense, Akins said the White House was
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  Speaker 3: wrong because no BBC stories had been taken down and
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  Speaker 3: the video evidence that had been debunked was not filmed
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  Speaker 3: by the BBC but came from social media.
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  Speaker 4: Then he teed.
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  Speaker 11: Off having made this range of false claims. Carolo Levitt
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  Speaker 11: had a further point to make.
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  Speaker 10: We're going to look into a sports before we confirm them.
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  Speaker 10: From this podium or before we take action. And I
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  Speaker 10: suggest that journalists who actually care about truth do the
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  Speaker 10: same to reduce the amount of misinformation that's going around
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  Speaker 10: the globe.
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  Speaker 12: On this front.
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  Speaker 11: But in this case, either the White House didn't look
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  Speaker 11: into its claims about the BBC before bringing them to
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  Speaker 11: the podium or had no concern that they weren't true.
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  Speaker 3: Now you've got to laugh at this blood getting up
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  Speaker 3: on his high horse, don't you. And not because we
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  Speaker 3: don't want good vigorous debate about what is fact and
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  Speaker 3: what is not. Let's ensure that people verify their facts.
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  Speaker 3: But the obvious point is this, the BBC has just
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  Speaker 3: then shown more skepticism and gone to more trouble forensically
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  Speaker 3: examining the facts in an attempt to defend itself against
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  Speaker 3: the White House than it ever does when it should
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  Speaker 3: be testing horrific claims of slaughter and war crimes made
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  Speaker 3: by Hummus terrorists against Israel. Now, whatever Hummas says is
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  Speaker 3: merely regurgitated. It's only what the White House ses that
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  Speaker 3: is tested by the BBC. It says it all, really,
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  Speaker 3: And I've noticed this social media post that neatly sums
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  Speaker 3: up how Hamas operates and how Western media, either willingly
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  Speaker 3: or with inexcusable gullibility, allows them to get away with it.
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  Speaker 13: Welcome to Hammas Math. If Hamas fires rockets from a
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  Speaker 13: roof of a school and then Israel fires back that
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  Speaker 13: destroy those rocket launchers, Hamas can blame the destruction of
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  Speaker 13: the school on Israel. Hamasmath building a network of terror
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  Speaker 13: tunnels three hundred and fifty miles long instead of a
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  Speaker 13: single safe room in Gaza, so that you can get
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  Speaker 13: away with terror while blaming Israel for not protecting civilians. Hammasmath.
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  Speaker 13: If Israel sends in three hundred thousand tons of aid
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  Speaker 13: to Gaza, but Hamas deals it for themselves and sells
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  Speaker 13: it back to Palestinians while price gouging them, they can
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  Speaker 13: accuse Israel of creating famine. Hammas Math.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's how it goes, Hamas maths.
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  Speaker 3: And no matter what the murderous Islamus do, the people
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  Speaker 3: committed to the destruction of Israel and the illumination of
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  Speaker 3: the Jews, no matter what they do, it's always Israel
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  Speaker 3: that is to blame. And as you know, our own
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  Speaker 3: taxpayer funded ABC fits neatly into this narrative. Running the
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  Speaker 3: so called pro Palestinian and anti Israel lines year after year,
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  Speaker 3: and check out how one former ABC Middle East correspondent
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  Speaker 3: has just turned up last week as a Greens politician
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  Speaker 3: in Western Australia.
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  Speaker 14: Or Green's MPs arrive with more on their mind than
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  Speaker 14: just climate action. Newly elected Sophie McNeil wearing a kafir
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  Speaker 14: in support of Palestine.
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  Speaker 15: Why would there be concerned?
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  Speaker 14: I mean, you know, is it just a scarf or
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  Speaker 14: is it a political statement?
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  Speaker 15: This is a statement that I'm standing with the people
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  Speaker 15: of Gaza.
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  Speaker 14: Ms McNeil is a former Middle East correspondent.
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  Speaker 15: Sophie McNeil ABC News Jerusalem. Yes, we're using up position
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  Speaker 15: of privilege of power to say that we stand against
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  Speaker 15: this genocide.
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  Speaker 14: Miss McNeil's political protest passed without comic when she wore
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  Speaker 14: the scarf during question time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah one minute, A supposedly objective ABC Middle East reporter,
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  Speaker 3: then a political activist and next to Greens MP campaigning
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  Speaker 3: against Israel on the absurd and jaundice grounds of genocide.
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  Speaker 3: It's not our ABC, it's not your ABC, it's their ABC.
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  Speaker 3: Now on related issues, I took last night to Jewish
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  Speaker 3: health and wellbeing practitioner Sharon Tal, who was banned from
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  Speaker 3: aourne A Melbourne Mind, Body and Spirit festival this week
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  Speaker 3: because pro Palestinian activists had campaigned against her. I said,
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  Speaker 3: this is a terrible case of discrimination, and tonight there's
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  Speaker 3: good news. The festival has listened to the back and
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  Speaker 3: they've reinstated Sharon Tal so she can go ahead and
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  Speaker 3: host the workshop that she'd already taken bookings for.
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  Speaker 5: Sharon joins me again live from Melbourne.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us again Sharon at late notice listening.
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  Speaker 4: This is a great win for you.
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  Speaker 3: Tell us about what communication you got from the festival
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  Speaker 3: and why they changed their mind.
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  Speaker 16: Firstly, tell me just say it is a great win
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  Speaker 16: for democracy. It's a great wind for the light and
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  Speaker 16: for no bullying. So this morning I have received the
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  Speaker 16: phone call asking me to join back, which I have
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  Speaker 16: of course accepted because as I stated yesterday, it was
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  Speaker 16: never about the management of the festival, it was always
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  Speaker 16: about the Prohamace groups that has decided that I go
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  Speaker 16: for genocide, which I don't, So I go for love
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  Speaker 16: and light. I go for empowerment, and that's what it's
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  Speaker 16: all about.
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  Speaker 3: Let's hope that some of the publicity around this. The
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  Speaker 3: story and the Australian and your appearance here last night
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  Speaker 3: helped to swing the balance.
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  Speaker 4: But whatever happened to their.
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  Speaker 3: Argument about safety and being concerned about the safety of
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  Speaker 3: you and others.
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  Speaker 4: Have they just diminished that, have they just said.
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  Speaker 3: They're wrong on that or are they going to give
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  Speaker 3: you you They have.
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  Speaker 16: Actually increased They have actually increased the security and we
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  Speaker 16: have reported to the Victoria Police that they might be
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  Speaker 16: that there might be a risk. Unfortunately, some of the
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  Speaker 16: stuff are not allowed even to wear their name badge
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  Speaker 16: because of the direct threats that they have received from
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  Speaker 16: the front from US supporters. And this is really really
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  Speaker 16: upsetting because we're all about kinesiology, feeling relaxing the stress
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  Speaker 16: through the jaw, that's at least for my part, and
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  Speaker 16: sending all those beautiful messages of love and life and
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  Speaker 16: we want just to live, enjoy and be strong and thrive.
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  Speaker 16: That's what it's all about.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, you're a good advertise and for
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  Speaker 3: your own kinesiology practice, because it's been a stressful time
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  Speaker 3: for you and you look pretty relaxed about it, and
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  Speaker 3: good on you.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you're looking forward to a good week.
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  Speaker 16: I'm looking for a good weekend and I hope that
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  Speaker 16: everyone will come and see that this festival is really
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  Speaker 16: about well being and those who are not well they
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  Speaker 16: need to change their being, but it's not you or
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  Speaker 16: me that could do anything about it.
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  Speaker 3: Great stuff, Sharon, Congratulations, thanks for joining us so much.
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  Speaker 16: I'm very honored and I'm very grateful for the support
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  Speaker 16: and help that we have established to let the light
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  Speaker 16: and the love win.
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  Speaker 4: That's what it's all about.
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  Speaker 3: The light and the love. Thanks so much, Sharon, Sharon
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  Speaker 3: tell the light and the love. Yeah, if it's a
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  Speaker 3: peace and body, mind and spirit festival, they ought to
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  Speaker 3: be a little bit more tolerant. Great that they've seen
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  Speaker 3: the sense of this and she can go ahead with
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  Speaker 3: her workshops. Now, let's get back to the energy debate,
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  Speaker 3: the electricity debate in this country. I want to catch
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  Speaker 3: up with Zoe Hilton. She's with the Center for Independent Studies.
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  Speaker 3: She's a policy analyst there. She joins us Alive from
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  Speaker 3: the City Center. Thanks for joining us, Zoe. I want
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  Speaker 3: to get back to this issue we talked about yesterday
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  Speaker 3: on the program. Nine billion dollars a year of federal
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  Speaker 3: government spending on net zero net zero's subsidies and grants
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  Speaker 3: and the like that Duney just scratches the surface, doesn't it,
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  Speaker 3: Because all of the private investment in renewables and batteries
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  Speaker 3: and the like is something that we're all going to
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  Speaker 3: have to pay for as well.
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  Speaker 17: So the things you remember with private investment, because we
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  Speaker 17: hear this a lot that people say, oh, look at
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  Speaker 17: all the private investment in renewables. We need to make
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  Speaker 17: sure that governments are helping to unlock all of this
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  Speaker 17: private investment that's just waiting to get out there. And really,
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  Speaker 17: when we look at the numbers, private investment in wind
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  Speaker 17: and solar projects has been plummeting in recent years. I mean,
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  Speaker 17: you look at the seventy percent decline in the last
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  Speaker 17: couple of years between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 17: and the quarter three quarter four results, which are the
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  Speaker 17: most recent that we've got for last year, show that
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  Speaker 17: there were no projects that no wind projects that had
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  Speaker 17: completely subsidy free private investment, and there are only two
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  Speaker 17: solar projects that did not have any kind of subsidies
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  Speaker 17: in them. So when we look at the amount of
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  Speaker 17: private investment in the system, it's all just being funded
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  Speaker 17: by government subsidies. It's being supported by government subsidies. It's
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  Speaker 17: not actual genuine private investment in economic projects that make sense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's double legend.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's investment following subsidies, so taxpayers are sort of
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  Speaker 3: paying it to come in. But then most of these
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  Speaker 3: investments have a guaranteed rate of return. For instance, the
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  Speaker 3: transmission projects do, so whatever billions they put into transmission
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  Speaker 3: is definitely going to be recouped through our power bills.
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  Speaker 4: There's no way around that.
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  Speaker 17: Yes, so we've seen time and again transmission projects like
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  Speaker 17: Humlink being shoved into through the regulatory system. The regulator
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  Speaker 17: has oftentimes skirted around rules, bent rules, potentially broken rules
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  Speaker 17: in order to allow these projects that don't actually stack
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  Speaker 17: up economically to get through the system. And yes, transmission projects,
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  Speaker 17: because they are part of a regulated monopoly, they get
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  Speaker 17: put straight onto consumer bills.
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  Speaker 15: And so we're all going to be paying more for
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  Speaker 15: these projects.
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  Speaker 17: And just looking ahead the next seven to ten years,
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  Speaker 17: that is when all of this huge infrastructure build out
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  Speaker 17: is going to happen.
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  Speaker 15: That's what the plan is.
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  Speaker 17: Anyway, we're not going to have the workforce or the
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  Speaker 17: resources to be able to do that in that amount
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  Speaker 17: of time. But we're going to see this huge crunch
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  Speaker 17: and it's something that is going to cause cost blowouts.
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  Speaker 17: It's going to cause delays, and yeah, the current plan
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  Speaker 17: is just not going to work. We're just going to
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  Speaker 17: see further and further cost blouts that will cause bill
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  Speaker 17: increases for consumers.
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  Speaker 4: See this is the worry.
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  Speaker 3: Can see nothing but increases a way above inflation as
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  Speaker 3: far as the eye can see. The next increase we
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  Speaker 3: know about happens next month on the first of July.
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  Speaker 4: New rates come in.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to see power bills go up by up
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  Speaker 3: to ten percent for households right around the East Coaster
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: on the National electricity grid. But also we've still got
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: those federal rebates kicking into lower bills. When they end,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: presumably then there's another price rise that's going to happen,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: and that's going to happen inside the next financial year too.
• 19:31
  Speaker 17: Yes, the government can keep trying to put a band
• 19:33
  Speaker 17: aid on energy bills by continuing to roll out these rebates,
• 19:37
  Speaker 17: but that's just going to worsen our government debt and
• 19:41
  Speaker 17: consumers in the form of taxpayers, are going to have
• 19:43
  Speaker 17: to pay for that. So no matter who pays for it,
• 19:46
  Speaker 17: we all end up paying for it in the end.
• 19:49
  Speaker 17: And it's pretty concerning that governments have shown a lot
• 19:53
  Speaker 17: more willpower in trying to put banded solutions on than
• 19:56
  Speaker 17: they have in trying to actually solve the deep core
• 19:59
  Speaker 17: problems we have in our energy system, which is that
• 20:02
  Speaker 17: we are choosing the wrong technologies. And her market has
• 20:06
  Speaker 17: been screaming out at investment investors to stop investing in
• 20:10
  Speaker 17: wind and solar projects. I mean, you look at the
• 20:12
  Speaker 17: capture prices for wind and solar, they've gone down to
• 20:15
  Speaker 17: about fifty percent of the weighted average wholesale price. And
• 20:19
  Speaker 17: so the market is clearly telling us what to do,
• 20:22
  Speaker 17: which is to build more dispatchable generation and stop investing
• 20:26
  Speaker 17: in intermittent neewables. But the government doesn't want to hear that,
• 20:30
  Speaker 17: and so they're just going to have to keep rolling
• 20:32
  Speaker 17: out banded solutions to stop the voters from revolting.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Sacha worry. We'll keep an eye on it. Thanks for
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: joining us again, Zoe.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I appreciate I appreciate it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: At Zoe Hilton. They're from the Center for Independent Studies. Now,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: senior Liberal members have unleashed on the former federal president,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: also the former Victorian Treasurer Alan Stockdale over comments he
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: made about female quotas in the Liberal Party.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: He said, the women in.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: This party are so assertive now that we may need
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: some special rules for men to get them pre selected.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: National Senate leader Bridget Mackenzie had this to say today.
• 21:04
  Speaker 12: I think Allen's problem was assertive women. Yeah, as opposed
• 21:08
  Speaker 12: to wallflowers. And I think we need more assertive women
• 21:11
  Speaker 12: because we have to fight for the future of our
• 21:13
  Speaker 12: country and our communities. That's why you send us to
• 21:16
  Speaker 12: places like Canberra, and I think we shouldn't take a
• 21:18
  Speaker 12: backward step in doing that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Let's got to Zoey Mackenzie, now the Shadow Assistant Education
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: mist alive from Melbourne.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Zoe, We've got all the Zoe's on tonight to congrats
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: on your shadow ministry appointment and tell us what you
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: think about Alan Stockdale.
• 21:37
  Speaker 15: Thank you, Chrispy or Well wishes he've got all the
• 21:39
  Speaker 15: Zoe's and all the mackenzies today and all the assertive women.
• 21:42
  Speaker 15: May I say, and isn't that a good thing? So
• 21:46
  Speaker 15: poor Allen? Look I know him. He's got a home
• 21:49
  Speaker 15: in my lecture. His wife is a brilliant, assertive woman
• 21:52
  Speaker 15: as well. They were very unfortunate words. Indeed, he has
• 21:55
  Speaker 15: apologized today and spurred the women on. There'll be more
• 21:59
  Speaker 15: assertied women putting their hand up for the Liberal Party
• 22:02
  Speaker 15: because they're determined to show what they can do to
• 22:03
  Speaker 15: make the country a better place. And I look forward
• 22:05
  Speaker 15: to that, you know. I addressed the Property Council's leaders
• 22:09
  Speaker 15: of change in terms of supporting women in that industry,
• 22:12
  Speaker 15: one that still remains two thirds male at this point,
• 22:16
  Speaker 15: and there was a great deal of may I say, encouragement, determination,
• 22:20
  Speaker 15: assertiveness for women to put their hand up for politics,
• 22:24
  Speaker 15: and indeed on my side in that frame as well.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's no doubt that the Libs need more
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: good women and more good men in politics, and all
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: politicians I would have thought, need to be assertive. But
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: let's go to the seat of Bradfield in New South Wales,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: now lost to another Teal candidate. The Liberals ran a
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: strong candidate. She's not a sitting candidate, of course. The
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: vacating member was Paul Fletcher, but Giselle Capterian was a
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: strong candidate, female moderate and she couldn't hold.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: On to the seat.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: So it's not necessarily a matter of just sort of
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: aping the teals is it's got to provide a strong alternative.
• 23:03
  Speaker 15: Oh, definitely, it's not a question of aping the teals.
• 23:06
  Speaker 15: Gizelle is a magnificent candidate. I have known her for
• 23:09
  Speaker 15: the better part of twenty years. We have worked together
• 23:11
  Speaker 15: in the Trade and Portfolio, the Trade and Foreign Affairs
• 23:14
  Speaker 15: areas in previous coalition governments. She was a very very
• 23:18
  Speaker 15: strong candidate. Indeed, we have to remember she had three
• 23:21
  Speaker 15: months on the Hustings versus the Teal candidate who had
• 23:25
  Speaker 15: three years funded I don't know by whom, but funded
• 23:27
  Speaker 15: by somebody to be a shadow MP, plowing the field
• 23:31
  Speaker 15: and being present across her community in a way that
• 23:34
  Speaker 15: MPs can't. We have to spend twenty weeks at the
• 23:36
  Speaker 15: year in Canberra doing what we're elected to do, which
• 23:39
  Speaker 15: is making laws for the country and in our case,
• 23:41
  Speaker 15: holding the government to account. And then when Gizelle was
• 23:45
  Speaker 15: pre selected, she only had a three month run up
• 23:48
  Speaker 15: to election day and to only miss by a handful
• 23:52
  Speaker 15: of votes is heartbreaking. I hope she stays the course.
• 23:55
  Speaker 15: I hope she runs again. There's got to be a
• 23:57
  Speaker 15: place for someone like Jaeselle Capteririan in the Parliamentary Party.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough gig because there's no financial rewards
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: in the meantime. But the ideal situation for someone who's
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: a good candidate and went that close is for them
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: to stick around and run again in the next term.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: That's the best thing for the party. But it's a
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: big ass That's one of.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: The big problems with the liberal or right of center
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: side of politics. You don't have the union movement the
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: slide back into and then run as a candidate. You've
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: got to have a life and an income in between times.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens there. I want to duck
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: down to Tasmania if I can, where Jeremy Rockcliffe has
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: lost that no confidence motion by the casting vote of
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the Speaker today it looks like the Tasmanian Liberal gub
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: but is heading off to the polls again.
• 24:41
  Speaker 15: Indeed, there's never been so much attention paid to a
• 24:43
  Speaker 15: Lieutenant governor before, so I feel for the Lieutenant governor
• 24:45
  Speaker 15: and the conversations that are on foot now about whether
• 24:48
  Speaker 15: the state of Tasmania will go to another election. You
• 24:51
  Speaker 15: have to have your heartbreak for the people of Tasmania
• 24:54
  Speaker 15: if that is the case. They've just come off the
• 24:55
  Speaker 15: back of a federal election and they only had their
• 24:58
  Speaker 15: own state election fourteen months ago. Elections are expensive. They
• 25:03
  Speaker 15: are distracting their divisive at a time exactly when the
• 25:07
  Speaker 15: Tasmanian people need certainty, need strong measures to address cost
• 25:12
  Speaker 15: of living. And there's there are some really interesting I've
• 25:15
  Speaker 15: never heard so much conversation about football in politics as
• 25:18
  Speaker 15: I have heard today. But it's very much about the
• 25:21
  Speaker 15: Taswegian spirit, the Tauigian personality, you know, the extent of
• 25:25
  Speaker 15: which they're going to be able to play in a
• 25:26
  Speaker 15: mainland sport. I hope they do, but it's a sad
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: day for them if they end up having to go
• 25:32
  Speaker 15: back to the polls.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's have a look at some of what the
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Premier you had to say today.
• 25:37
  Speaker 18: This is a very sad day for Tasmania and I
• 25:45
  Speaker 18: want to thank honor members for their contributions, and within
• 25:54
  Speaker 18: those contributions, even those that have voted for this motion.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to say he spoke with a lot
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: of dignity, even express some sympathy and support for the
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: speaker who cast the casting vote against him. So he's
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: shown a lot of dignity. Looks like they're going to
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the polls. I want to come back to this issue
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: of footy because as much as I love this great
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: state of Tasmania, the greatest game in the world matters
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: to a lot of us around the country. And it
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: looks like Labor are saying that they would stick by
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: the new stadium, the one that is crucial a prerequisite
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: for a Tasmanian team.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: In the AFL.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: So are you confident the Liberal Labor and Greens, no
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: matter what, whatever, whatever happens after all this process, the
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: footy stadium will go ahead.
• 26:41
  Speaker 15: Look, I must admit I'm not a close follower of
• 26:44
  Speaker 15: Taswegian politics. I am a lover of football. I am
• 26:47
  Speaker 15: a Victorian. So every state and territory deserves their own
• 26:50
  Speaker 15: football team, I say, and I hope they will finally
• 26:53
  Speaker 15: get one. I haven't kept across the funding relation to
• 26:55
  Speaker 15: that stadium. I know it's been a very hot issue,
• 26:58
  Speaker 15: but I think the message that the rest of the
• 27:00
  Speaker 15: country should take is this is what happens when Labor
• 27:03
  Speaker 15: gets together with the Greens. We're seeing what's happening in
• 27:05
  Speaker 15: Canberra at the moment in relation to the taxing of superinnuation.
• 27:10
  Speaker 15: Labour's there with the Greens. The Greens want to make
• 27:11
  Speaker 15: it even harder and even greater attack on people who've
• 27:15
  Speaker 15: made efforts to set aside for their own future and
• 27:18
  Speaker 15: to not be reliant on the state. And so you
• 27:20
  Speaker 15: see what the damage they can do in Camber. Now
• 27:23
  Speaker 15: you've seen what damage they can do in Tasmania. And
• 27:25
  Speaker 15: that's an important lesson for everyone to take away from today.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Indeed, thanks for joining us again, Zoe, I appreciate it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Zoey mackenzie there joining us live from Melbourne, talking a
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: little bit about Tasmanian politics.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: We'll see what happens down there. Catch up with the
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: latest developments on that next week.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Now coming up.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: After the break, Donald Trump has imposed again travel bans
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: on citizens from twelve countries.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Peter Jennings will join me now.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump has resurrected the travel band policy from his
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: first term, signing an executive order banning people from a
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: dozen countries from each during the United States he was
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: the US president.
• 28:02
  Speaker 19: Today, today I am signing a new executive order placing
• 28:07
  Speaker 19: travel restrictions on countries including Yemen, Somalia, Haiti, Libya, and
• 28:15
  Speaker 19: numerous others. But we will not allow people to enter
• 28:18
  Speaker 19: our country who wish to do us harm, and nothing
• 28:22
  Speaker 19: will stop us from keeping America said.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Peter Jenning, a Strategic Analysis Australia director,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: joining us live from Camber.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Good to talk to you again, Peter. I'm interested to
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: get your thoughts on this.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Obviously, there's a risk to the US in taking people
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: from these sorts of countries, but Australia takes people from
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: these sorts of countries, so presumably we have security vetting.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: But we saw with people coming in from Gaza that
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: a lot of claims the security vetting wasn't up to speed.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: So while Trump attacks things with a blunt instrument, is
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: there a security rationale behind what he's doing.
• 29:00
  Speaker 20: Absolutely, I think there is a security rationale. And if anything, Chris,
• 29:06
  Speaker 20: what we've seen in the last couple of years has
• 29:08
  Speaker 20: been a return to a pattern of terrorism and the
• 29:13
  Speaker 20: risk of terrorism growing in democracies, including in the United States.
• 29:19
  Speaker 20: The devil is always in the detail, and I see
• 29:21
  Speaker 20: that even for the countries that Trump has completely restricted,
• 29:25
  Speaker 20: there will still be exclusions people that have visas, people
• 29:29
  Speaker 20: that can enter the United States because it's said to
• 29:31
  Speaker 20: be in the interests of the United States. So I'm hoping,
• 29:35
  Speaker 20: for example, in the case of Afghanistan, that means that
• 29:38
  Speaker 20: if they find individuals that helped the American military, or
• 29:42
  Speaker 20: indeed they help military during those days, that they will
• 29:45
  Speaker 20: be allowed in. Often people can be critics of their
• 29:48
  Speaker 20: own countries' regimes, but broadly, I think, you know, Trump
• 29:52
  Speaker 20: knows this is going to be popular inside the United States,
• 29:55
  Speaker 20: not just with his own base, but much more broadly.
• 29:58
  Speaker 20: And it's a broad measure, but it is one which
• 30:02
  Speaker 20: is designed to, you know, keep the United States safer
• 30:05
  Speaker 20: from the risk of terrorism.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Now he've done it on the back of that terror
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: attack in Boulder, Colorado. The alleged assailant there is an
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: illegal immigrant, Mohammed Solomon from Egypt. So he's highlighting and
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: the presence gone directly to that highlighted the problem of
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: illegal immigrants. Are there lessons for Australia to be learned here,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: because with the amount of terrorism we're seeing around the
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: world now, surely there is no time for complacency.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: We need to be eternally vigilant.
• 30:35
  Speaker 20: Well. I think one of the interesting phenomenons of terrorism
• 30:38
  Speaker 20: is that an event happens and then we very quickly
• 30:41
  Speaker 20: forget about it. You know, we had what looked like
• 30:46
  Speaker 20: a momentum towards greater violence and the risk of terrorism
• 30:50
  Speaker 20: last year, which was manifest in those tax On synagogues
• 30:54
  Speaker 20: and other areas where Jewish people have been identified. Now
• 30:59
  Speaker 20: we haven't been talking about it for a few months,
• 31:01
  Speaker 20: the threat hasn't gone away, Chris, and I think we
• 31:05
  Speaker 20: are often going to be a casualty of the growth
• 31:09
  Speaker 20: of this terrorism threat in other democracies, with a kind
• 31:12
  Speaker 20: of a copycat effect in the Australian system. So the
• 31:17
  Speaker 20: problem hasn't gone away, and I think we've just constantly
• 31:19
  Speaker 20: got to be alert to those risks, and that should
• 31:22
  Speaker 20: include in the way that people are vetted before coming
• 31:26
  Speaker 20: into Australia under any sort of visa arrangement.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the issue of defense preparedness. We showed
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: a bit of the CDF on the program last night.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Here's some more of what he had.
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: To say, almost since the Second World War about how
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: we think of national resilience and preparedness of we may
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: need to operate and conduct combat operations from this country.
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: And that's everything from our nord and infrastructure, our supply chains,
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: how we integrate with industry, states and territories. Is quite
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: a different answer to that notion of operating from the homeland.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: So he's raised the idea the reality that the prospect
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: of combat operations from this country. He also talked about
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: these sorts of equipment and funding that defense might need,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: and that any further request would go to the government
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: next year. He's of course constrained by not being too political,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: but the overall sweep of what he had to say
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: only lends weight to this debate about investing more in defense,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: especially in light of what the American Defense Secretary has
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: said here.
• 32:36
  Speaker 20: Yes, but I think it was too little, too late
• 32:38
  Speaker 20: to Chris. So you know, the number one job of
• 32:41
  Speaker 20: the CDF is surely to be providing the government with
• 32:44
  Speaker 20: necessary advice about the risks we face and what we
• 32:47
  Speaker 20: have to do to face those risks. And frankly, defense
• 32:51
  Speaker 20: has been missing from that game. It has taken itself
• 32:55
  Speaker 20: so far away from any public discussion about these issues. Really,
• 33:01
  Speaker 20: to hear the CDF make these extremely restrained comments at
• 33:05
  Speaker 20: a conference appears to be surprising people. Of Course, the
• 33:10
  Speaker 20: risk is greater. Of course, China has the capacity with
• 33:13
  Speaker 20: missiles to attack any base it wants to in Australia,
• 33:18
  Speaker 20: So how come, we're only having this conversation now. You know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 20: we've had ministers tell us for half a decade that
• 33:24
  Speaker 20: we face the greatest threat since the end of the
• 33:27
  Speaker 20: Second World War. Isn't it about time we did something
• 33:29
  Speaker 20: about it? And that includes the chief of Defense force.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very very powerful point.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're there to lead, and they do have
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: immunity to some degree from the political debate. They should
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: be able to say what we need. And let's hope
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: they speak up more robustly in the future.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: We're right behind the ape. Well that just briefly.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: We're nearly out of time, becauld you give us your
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: assessment on Ukraine. At the moment, they've delivered a couple
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: of heavy hits to Russia. They must be battling down
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: the hatches expecting a pretty robust Russian response soon.
• 34:04
  Speaker 20: It's hard to know what more Russia could do than
• 34:06
  Speaker 20: the absolute pounding they've been handing out to Ukraine.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: This year.
• 34:10
  Speaker 20: Russia has lifted the tempo of a tax on civilian infrastructure.
• 34:16
  Speaker 20: I think the message we should take from the last
• 34:18
  Speaker 20: few days is that Ukraine does have a whole number
• 34:20
  Speaker 20: of cards that can play some serious aces. Chris. If
• 34:25
  Speaker 20: they can do what they've done in terms of these
• 34:27
  Speaker 20: Russian aircraft, there'll be more plans like that. Foot Ukraine
• 34:31
  Speaker 20: is far from finished. It's a strong country, very determined
• 34:34
  Speaker 20: and I think it's going to continue this fight for
• 34:37
  Speaker 20: as long as it is able to do so, which
• 34:39
  Speaker 20: is another reason why we should be supporting them.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Good thanks for joining us again, Peter Jennings, their Strategic
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Analysis Australia Director.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: We've better get to a break.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we're going to talk about the
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: drought that's really hurting South Australia and Western Victoria. And Webster,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Western Victorian Federal MP joins us next. Drought stricken farmers
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: in regional Victoria and South Australia are at breaking point
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: as those parts of the country experienced the driest twenty
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: four month period on record. The seat of Malle in
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: far Northwest Victoria is one of the areas in the
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: grips of this crisis and that's where Nationals MP and
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Webster joins us from live from her office in Mildura tonight.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, and as a South Australian,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: I've been aware of this for some time. It's taken
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: a while to hit the national attention, but it's essentially
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: all of South Australia hit by this drought, especially Western
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Victoria and southern New South Wales. Give us a sense
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: of just how bad the situation is.
• 35:44
  Speaker 21: Thanks Chris for having me. It is bad and it's
• 35:48
  Speaker 21: getting worse. Obviously, while we don't have rain, particularly in
• 35:52
  Speaker 21: our neck of the woods, down south in Western Victoria
• 35:56
  Speaker 21: and in South Australia, and look looking to farmers who
• 36:02
  Speaker 21: have been farmers for a long long time, they are
• 36:06
  Speaker 21: really feeling the pain. And it's particularly the livestock farmers
• 36:11
  Speaker 21: because not being able to feed your sheep and not
• 36:14
  Speaker 21: being able to feed your dairy herd is a massive
• 36:18
  Speaker 21: weight on their shoulders. And we know that hay has
• 36:21
  Speaker 21: been difficult to get. The prices have gone through the
• 36:25
  Speaker 21: roof and so for a farmer to be able to
• 36:28
  Speaker 21: access hay can cost twenty thousand dollars a week and
• 36:33
  Speaker 21: grain forty seven thousand dollars a month, So that all
• 36:39
  Speaker 21: adds up and is an enormous burden to the farmers
• 36:43
  Speaker 21: down in my neck of the woods, but also of
• 36:46
  Speaker 21: course across in South Australia. It's actually why I was
• 36:49
  Speaker 21: really pleased Chris to meet with the Rapid Relief team
• 36:53
  Speaker 21: today in Maldura twenty seven b doubles. It's such a
• 36:58
  Speaker 21: joyous site. Twenty seven doubles full of hay coming from
• 37:03
  Speaker 21: Bathurst area in New South Wales where they've had really
• 37:06
  Speaker 21: good years and coming through Mildre on their way down
• 37:10
  Speaker 21: to Jamestown in South Australia. And look, I can't tell
• 37:16
  Speaker 21: you just how fantastic that is. And the humanity, just
• 37:21
  Speaker 21: that heart of humanity that people have to help in
• 37:25
  Speaker 21: a time of need. So you know, all credit to
• 37:28
  Speaker 21: those guys, the farmers, the truck is those who provided
• 37:32
  Speaker 21: the hay. It's just amazing.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: You're out there with them and these are farmers who
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: have actually got some feed, been able to cut some hay,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: and they're giving up their time and effort to go
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: and help out strangers.
• 37:47
  Speaker 21: Absolutely, isn't it the best of Australia in time of
• 37:52
  Speaker 21: need and time of crisis. In a time at the emergency,
• 37:56
  Speaker 21: people reach out, so you know, it doesn't let the government.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Off the hook.
• 38:00
  Speaker 21: Obviously what the government is providing is not enough. And
• 38:04
  Speaker 21: David little Proud has been really clear and I hope
• 38:06
  Speaker 21: echoed his words many times that the Regional Investment Corporation
• 38:11
  Speaker 21: Fund ought to be interest free for the next two years,
• 38:16
  Speaker 21: interest only for three after that, and principle and.
• 38:18
  Speaker 15: Interest for five after that.
• 38:20
  Speaker 21: It's exactly what we put in place as a coalition
• 38:23
  Speaker 21: in twenty twenty, and we're calling on the government to
• 38:26
  Speaker 21: match that deal because farmers are desperately needing a breather.
• 38:31
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Look, I tell you what now, not to downplay the
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: situation anywhere, but the mid north of South Australia and
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: even northwestern Victoria. Where you are in southern New South Wales,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: you can get hit by drought. You know, some of
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: that country is rather marginal. But the southeast of South Australia,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: the Adelaide Hills, these are normally places.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: That get really regular rains.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: They're normally places where they're actually growing the hay and
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: able to help out the people on hard times. I know,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: as you say, initially it was the expense of getting
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: hay in for farmers.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Then it was just being able to get the hay.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: There's just not enough around.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Is there enough feed around this country to get into
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: these areas or are.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: We going to start losing stock in big numbers?
• 39:10
  Speaker 21: Well, I know that some farmers are trying to get
• 39:13
  Speaker 21: some of their stock into abatoars and there's a queue.
• 39:16
  Speaker 21: That's not a good sign. And I know that farmers
• 39:20
  Speaker 21: in Western Australia are bringing hayer across and of course
• 39:24
  Speaker 21: New South Wales. The good news is, and it's always
• 39:27
  Speaker 21: good to bring out some good news in difficult times
• 39:29
  Speaker 21: like this, is that the South Australian government have waived
• 39:32
  Speaker 21: the biosecurity inspection costs if you like, for the truckers
• 39:38
  Speaker 21: as they're bringing the hay through. The biosecurity is still
• 39:41
  Speaker 21: taking place, but they're waving the fee. That's a really
• 39:44
  Speaker 21: good thing. I'd really like to see the Victorian government
• 39:46
  Speaker 21: do the same thing. And you know, as a nation,
• 39:50
  Speaker 21: we have enough food, it's just getting it to where
• 39:53
  Speaker 21: it needs to be. So help needs to continue to
• 39:57
  Speaker 21: be on its way.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: And I love your work.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Thank being involved heavily in all of this, and we
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: can see the emotion as you talk about it. Let's
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: keep in touch and make sure that no one forgets
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: this issue.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: And Webster there, who's the Shadow Minister for Regional Development.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: She's the nationals MP based out of Madura, covering Northwest
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Victoria that you see the emotion, the tears in her
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: eye just at seeing the generosity and mate ship displayed
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: by farmers and their families in better parts of the country,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: just at the moment helping out their mates.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Great to see, but gee, there's a lot of people
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: in dire strife.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: We're going to make sure we have governments and others
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: doing all they can to help them.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: We're better take a break.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: On the other side of that, we'll talk about the
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Musk and Trump bromance, talking about how that's fallen apart.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: We'll catch up with Tim and Mark. Get that and
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: plenty more. I can't wait to show you what the
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: former royals have.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Been up to.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Let us sort out the nation now with the National Cabinet,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: with Tim Blair joining us from a western Victoria, Mark
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Nicholson from step Mate Studios joining us from Fitzroy from
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: the middle of Melbourne, from the heart of the Beast.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Good to talk to you, gentlemen. I'll tell you what.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Everybody's got a stake in this Tasmanian election, now, haven't they.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I know, Tim, you're a you're a conscientious objector from
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: the AFL now, but even though you love the local Footye,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: but Mark, I mean this election, I better not mess
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: with that extra team in the AFL.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah please, I need I need another little baby team
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: with some really young talented brey know how to play football,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: so wanted to get up there and win a couple
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: of games. Made God, I need it.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: I need it terribly.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I know the crozy going well, so you you know
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: you just need another team to steamroll. But North Melbourne
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: desperately need this.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: North Melbourne should have been moved down there, shouldn't they?
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Tim?
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I thought that one of the plans at one point.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: It wasn't North Dold was going to move everywhere? Were
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: all at once at some stage in the seventies, yeah,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: beyond the Golden era. But you see, this is what
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: happens when you involved politics and sport. The politics becomes
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: the bigger influence that did always overwhelms things. In a
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: natural sort of non political world, the airfold have just
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: kept evolving and becoming bigger and you know, potentially more goofy.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: But when you throw politics into the mix, you got trouble.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: It's also what you get when you have the hair
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Clark system, isn't it. Shouldn't they just change their electoral
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: system so that someone can actually get a majority.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the hair Clark system is. Isn't that
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: what was more sensibly used to decide gainsmen that are
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: rained out in one day cricket. It's almost almost as difficult.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: In fact, you could just cancel mathematics exams throughout the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: entire country and just give kids things like hair Clerk
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: and the ode isis would like suss that out and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you've graduated. That's all you need to do.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Have I got a mixed up mark? Is that the
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: cricket for? Is that the one day formula?
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: The hair Clark or is it the electoral system? What's
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: the one day formula? But you know the business.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: I have no Duckworth Lewis.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Duckworth Lewis is the cricket here Clark is the electoral system.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Maybe the Tasmanian politics needs to switch to the Duckworth
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Lewis system, otherwise I'll keep going back to the polls.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Now, let's go to a place where the.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Where the politics are a lot more sensible than Tasmania,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: and that of course is in the United States and
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: the Bromance, Tim, did you always think that two big
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: egos like Donald Trump and Elon Musk would would have
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: to fall out somehow somewhere.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I'm actually completely fine with this because too often in politics,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: if your side is winning, you make excuses for everything. So,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: you know, in this case, for example, you've got people
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: like me, you know, horrible right wingers who are all
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: happy about slashing government spinning and hoping it provides an
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: example for us in Australia, and a lot of people
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: would in that circumstance if things didn't go on this,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: you know, is spending wasn't cut, we'd be all making
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: excuses for saying, oh, you know, there's all sorts of
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: troubles and you know, you can't accomplish everything in one day.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: What we should be doing is being a lot more
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: like Elon Musk and saying that, no, you know, the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: game was, the promise was to cut spending massively, and
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: if it's not happening, that's a disaster and terrible. And
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: he's absolutely one hundredercent correct. I mean, it's very odd
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: that you've got a billionaire coming in and being the
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: voice of common man reason here, but he's actually doing it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And if it upsets the kind of you know, that
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the bromance model. I'm fine with it because there are
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: big issues here.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And look, I think they're both holding their positions
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: at the moment. They don't seem to be too nasty
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: about it. They're just going their own way. But it
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: just always seemed to me Mark that that you couldn't
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: have a musk being so prominent in the administration and
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: turning up on stage.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: With the president or whatever.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: So it seems to have just sort of evolved to
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: a more normal arrangement. No doubt the Musk will have
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: bloody they say on lots of issues.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Well, he's already started to throw the toys out the
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: cart and that's the thing. He's already started to throw
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: a few thrown through rocks on Twitter and all that
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff towards trumping. It's really interesting, and I
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: guess like I'm trying to step back and just try
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: and true it is as entertaining as possible, because it's
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: otherwise pretty scary. But I'm just trying to look at
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: it as just pure entertainment and Trump's just being oddly quiet. Normally,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Trump's the one that will jump on Twitter straight away
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: and throw bombs and get up and do a press
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: conference and whatever.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: He's oddly quiet.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I think Musk might end up on Mars a lot
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: sooner than he thinks. What's going to be going on
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the retaliation he is going.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: To be unbelievable.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: If Musk keeps running his mouth like this, it's going
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: to be very interesting to watch.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Donald's got a few things on his plate. Then
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: maybe he's trying to work out how to plug in
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: that testay.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Board from Musk as well.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: But one of the things he's done is started an
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: investigation into the cover up of Joe Biden's cognitive deterioration.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Tim.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is all good fun and games, but
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: really you just sort of shouldn't he just let that
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: go and concentrate on Putin and Iran?
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah that is true, but again, you know you can
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: you can do two things at once. It is I
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: think intriguing to know who actually was the president for
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: the last four years. It would be great to actually
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: identify that person. It might be like when we finally
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: found out a year or so ago who the main
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: guy was on Wikipedia. You know, it was just one
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: sort of bloke writing all of the wall of the entries.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: There was there's probably some mysterious second or third tier
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: person in the White House who was hitting all the
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: keys and deciding all the economics.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: It might have been like it might have been like
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: being there.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: There might have been Chauncey Gardner out the back of
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: the White House running things is remember the press sic
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Jean Pierre carrying Jean Pierre.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: That she was saying this less than a year ago.
• 46:40
  Speaker 10: He is as sharpest as ever as I have known
• 46:43
  Speaker 10: him to be in my engagement, in my experience with him.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: That's an insult. Called Joe Biden a year ago as
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: sharp as ever.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Mart.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing is that she lied.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: She also posted a Tweet's very funny when she posted
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: a tweet that she meant to post as Joe Biden
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: had sort of said when I ran as president, this is.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: A career jok.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever her name is, like she was pretending to
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: be the president. But I agree, But I think this
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: is kind of makes Putin look like a bit of
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: a boy scout. This is more dangerous than we think.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Like we've got an auto pen signing executive orders. They're
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: not signing, you know, Christmas cards and thank you cards
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. There's a bunch of
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: staffers there who are acting as the president like this
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: is that's basically a coup. That's treason us in my opinion,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: and it's all surrounded by this whole fun and games eye.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: It's silly. He's got oatmeal for brains and he's you know,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: he's asleep on a beach in Delaware with his mouth open.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile the staffers are just acting as president.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: I just think you're scandless because the rest of us
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: could see it all around the world, but the Washington
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Press Court just allowed it to go on. I just
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: want to squeeze in some vision that the Harry and Meghan,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: you know, the former prince and princess or whatever, have
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: put out. This is four years old, five years old,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I think, and they've decided to share this.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Other.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: They're twerking, play the audit working awaiting the birth of
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: a lily.
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: Bit.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: This is important though, to him, isn't it? Because they
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: thought that maybe for about ten days.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: The world had forgotten them, and now they've gotten themselves
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: back into the news cycle.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Well, we know he's got all the rhythm in that family,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and it's not the prince.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Is that that's.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: The dorkiest dancing I've ever seen, and I've seen me dance.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: He's just neutrocity, and whereas Megan, so what you want
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: about the indignity of it and the desperation for attention.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: At least she's got some moves there, at least in
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: her ninth month, you can, she can, she can get
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: some moves going. But the husband not so much red
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: headed dancing.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: No, I'll have no discrimination against the bloodnuts.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I thought they both danced brilliantly. Thanks for joining us,
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: as Tim and Mark will catch you next week. We
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: are right out of time. Here's Peter Kredlin.