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Haunted Dolls and the Labubu Curse · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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Labubu dolls, despite what some might consider an off-putting albeit harmless appearance,
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have become the subject of online stories and theories suggesting they are just playing
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creepy, haunted or demonic or otherwise evil.
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Of course they are.
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Or they are Chinese spies.
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Oh actually that's a thing.
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Put your tin foil hat on.
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Yeah.
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These narratives often portray the dolls as having a dark or evil side.
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Hi Chris.
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Hi Caitlin.
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Hi creepy people.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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Did I do it right?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Excellent so far.
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So this is PNW Haunts and Homicides where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and all
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things spooky in the Pacific Northwest, the PNW if you're nasty.
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I like that.
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Yeah.
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Cassie's going to be so proud of me if I ever forget to say PNW if you're nasty she really
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gets after me.
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Why?
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Because she loves it.
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Oh okay right.
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It is pretty great.
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Yeah.
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I never forget that.
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No.
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It's critical stuff.
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I'm kind of nervous.
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No I mean that it's very on brand.
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So I mean I've been here once.
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Yeah.
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And I've been invited again graciously.
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Yeah.
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I'm very happy about that.
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Well your previous performance I think the reviews were really excellent.
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So really?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Who reviewed me?
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Just the people.
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Or is this your guys' reviews?
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I mean I would say all of the above.
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But yeah I did have actually several people that reached out and either commented on you
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know post that we did about the episode or that DM their emailed directly and said that
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was really cool.
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Like you have to have them back.
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That's like okay.
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Why didn't you tell me about this?
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I definitely.
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It's been so long.
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I definitely have.
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Yeah.
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No I'm sure you did tell me.
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And I you know I don't want to get a bloated head about it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Just you know you're trying to stay humble.
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I get that.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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So what are we doing today?
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I have a few stories to tell you.
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This is sort of a it's a little bit different type of episode.
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And part of it was designed to really get into Cassie's psyche really throw her off.
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And I'm going to see if it maybe it'll work for the two of us still.
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Oh okay.
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So you're going to torture me a little bit.
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Oh I don't know that I would say torture.
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I don't feel like that's totally accurate but yeah.
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We'll have some fun with it.
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Okay.
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Are you promised?
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Yeah.
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I do.
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Okay.
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Well let's get into some unsettling first hand accounts.
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People have shared online.
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Wonderful.
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Yeah.
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If she's upset about it she's not here to defend herself.
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So.
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Oh yeah.
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Our first story comes from a Reddit user who swears their friend's doll set off a chain
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of unsettling events.
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Spooky.
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Spooky.
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Wait are you.
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Is this Cassie's episode or is this your episode?
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This is my episode.
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I told you I'm stealing a little bit from her genre.
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I get it.
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I get it.
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I'm dip in a toe and I know it's confusing.
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My friend's doll is haunted.
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My friend posted from her perspective and I were having a day out in town yesterday.
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We walked past a shop and she saw these dolls in the window.
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She was dying to get one.
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And I just kept going on about how scary they look and how ugly they are.
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Dolls are creepy.
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Dolls are creepy.
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Listen, it's a long standing belief.
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Have you seen my mom's dolls?
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Like all the dolls she has, all those porcelain ones.
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No.
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She just has them tucked away in the closet.
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I assumed that's why I don't go upstairs.
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I thought you guys were just trying to protect me.
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Take a peek in that closet and you'll scream.
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I think I'm good.
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Anyways, she bought one and we unboxed it at dinner.
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She got the one she wanted.
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We laughed about it and then just focused on her meal.
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Anyways, we get back to her house, middle of nowhere, surrounded by dense trees and forests
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and go to her room.
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We were in the middle of ten things I hate about you when she suddenly gets the idea to
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decorate it.
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Which, this story really makes me want to watch ten things I hate about you again.
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It's a good movie.
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Yeah.
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Although, if it's a precursor at all to the rest of the story, I think maybe I'll skip it.
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I mean, they put it in there.
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Does it have something to do with it?
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I feel like it's a valid question, right?
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It's very important to the story.
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Yeah, it's at least fair to ask.
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So she gives it false lashes, eyeliner, sparkly lips and cheeks, ear cuffs and a chain necklace.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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So they're really going ham on this doll.
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All out.
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Wow.
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We just find it purely funny at this point and don't know what to do with the horrendous
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looking thing now.
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So she decides to clip it to her light shade.
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That's a choice.
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It's a yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's so funny.
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It's literally my exact words.
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I know.
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We speak the same a little bit.
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Yeah, we do.
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Sandwich.
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A while later, we decide to go out to smoke and watch the sunset.
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Bearing in mind, we are home alone and left the house at 11 pm.
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We go into this field by the woods.
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It's next to our house.
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We smoke or whatever and start heading back to our house at about 11.45.
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Her dogs, two spaniels, one with it were with us and kind of had free room around the
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field we were in and in the field, she keeps her two horses in.
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Okay.
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So she's a horse girl.
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So I don't know.
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Just, you know, make an a mental note of that.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Her youngest manual was running through the horse field chasing something.
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At first, we thought it was a big rabbit because from afar, it looked like it was.
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But then I heard a different bark, not like a dog.
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It was actually kind of terrifying.
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That's when I first paused and thought that's definitely not a rabbit.
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Anyways, it got closer and it was a badger.
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Those things are scary.
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They're like very, they're vicious.
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They're tough little critters.
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Yeah.
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I got a badger hunter over here.
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Liniage.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I feel like Molly, the instinct would still be there.
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She'd be, you know, must have blood of badger.
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Oh, yeah.
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But I think given her stature and her lack of training, I feel like she may struggle.
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Yeah.
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Definitely.
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I don't think I'm ready to test that out.
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It's in blood only, not in practice.
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Yeah.
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I've never seen one before, but I hate these things.
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Her dog was chasing it, kind of attacking it, but it was running towards us until her
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dog chased it under a fence and into the woods.
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After a while of screaming for her dogs to come back, we were going to go through the horse
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field to get back to hers as it was the quickest way.
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Her horse then tries to jump on her other dog and almost killed the thing.
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Okay, so we got a lot of really wild animal activity here.
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Yeah.
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So by this point, we were very shaken up.
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Like this stuff never happens to us at all.
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Rather than going through the horse field, we climb into a different field and go around
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it.
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Looked and started rolling and pying at their faces.
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So we assumed it was a nettle.
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Hmm.
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Ah, wasps nest.
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Oh, okay.
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Oh, fuck.
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A wasp landed on my friend so I tried to swatted away, but it ended up going into her jumper.
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Whoops.
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Yeah, not great.
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She's deathly allergic.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Well, that's not safe.
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No.
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No.
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So she was on the brink of tears by the time we got back, we were both genuinely so freaked
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out.
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On it, like on the brink of tears, I would be hysterically sobbing.
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You would.
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Yeah.
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Thanks for backing me up.
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We get to her room.
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She uses her phone torch and the fricking doll is just dangling and looking at us.
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We forgot it was even there, to be honest.
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Anyway, we think nothing of it other than the fact that it still looks creepy as hell.
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We go to turn her TV on to finish the movie, but it's not working.
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It was unplugged at the wall.
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Okay.
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Which obviously she says we never did that before we left.
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So then she plugs it back in.
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Still not working.
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We check the back of the TV and the whole cable connecting it to the wall has been taken
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out.
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Wow.
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I didn't even think they...
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How?
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How?
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Okay.
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Her TV is...
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The doll.
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I mean, I feel like that's the insinuation already, but her TV is like airtight against the wall.
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You need long tweezers or something to take the cable out and put it back in.
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Oh, God.
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Okay.
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So yeah, they're saying like literally how is this physically possible?
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Right.
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Okay.
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Again, we were home alone.
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The house was empty the whole time we were out.
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What was the only other thing here?
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I think you called it.
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She says the doll.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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I swear these things are actually haunted because neither of us did it.
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We remember vividly leaving everything on before we left.
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Bad stuff like this has never happened until she got that freaky little doll.
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I'm convinced they're demonic/haunted.
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Okay.
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That's holy shit.
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Yikes.
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Oh, gosh.
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Freaked out by your own story.
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Well, someone else's story.
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Yeah.
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You know how I feel about dolls, which makes it very confusing that this is what I chose to
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do.
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I thought I would be sort of at least torturing Cassie along with me.
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I guess if that was--
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No, she would love this.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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In another post from the same subreddit, a different user shares and equally unnerving experience
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after bringing a doll home.
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And it's her friend.
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So this is the other friend's perspective.
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Oh, okay.
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Trishin.
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Trishin.
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I was like, thank goodness that we can find both of their accounts.
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Right.
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You know?
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So it all started yesterday when I was walking through my town and spotted dolls in a local
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shop.
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I decided to get one as a joke and see which one I would get just for the giggles.
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I opened the package with my friend while still in town and got the one I wanted and we
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had a laugh, et cetera.
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No, real quickly, presumably, do these two posters do they know that the other posted?
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I think maybe not when they first posted, but then they probably--
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Oh, yeah, I posted about it.
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Right.
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So, yeah, I think that's interesting.
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I would be interested to go back and kind of look at the timestamps and be like, who
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posted first?
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Yeah.
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Fast forward to later, we both come back to my house and I decided to decorate the doll.
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And did she ever?
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This involves super gluing eyelashes, earrings, glitter lips, and dripping her out with chains.
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Oh, my God.
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This is such a makeover.
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Yeah.
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Wow, that is so genzy.
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Gotta give it that glow up.
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Yeah.
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That drip.
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A couple hours later, we decided to go out and smoke.
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So I hang this doll off my ceiling light to dry and we go outside.
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For context, I live in the middle of the woods with a lot of fields around.
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So we go out into a field, smoke, start walking back, and lo and behold, we see my dog chasing
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a badger right towards us.
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My dog is much faster than the badger bear in mind.
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So me and my friends scream and run away whilst I'm screaming at my dog because I don't want
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him to be mauled by a badger.
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Of course.
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A fair.
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We go into my field and then my horse tries to kill my other dog, like stomping and trying
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to bite her, etc.
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So we leave the field and walk down the side of the field next to it to get back to my
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house.
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We reach the end of the path about to jump the fence when two of my dogs stick their
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noses in the ground and start crying and wiping their faces on the ground.
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I think, "Oh, it's just some nettles, they'll be fine."
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But no, wasp nest.
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A wasp proceeds to fly into my hair.
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I scream, it leaves, flies into my jumper.
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I take my jumper off, we run inside.
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Both of us are shaking and close to tears at this point.
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But it's not over yet.
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We go to my room, sit down, turn the TV on, nothing.
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I check.
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It's unplugged at the wall.
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Why?
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I don't like it.
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What's going on over there?
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Are you having an issue?
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No, no.
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I thought I knew what nettles were.
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Oh, were you trying to look at them on?
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Right.
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And I was looking it up.
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And I did know what they were.
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It's a type of plant.
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Yeah, yeah.
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With, you know, spiky little edges.
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They're kind of gnarly.
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Yeah.
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And so I was just curious.
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Yeah.
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So she's checked the wall.
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It's unplugged.
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I don't like that.
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I have never done that once in the eight years that I have lived here.
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I plug it in, still not working.
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I check the power cable in the TV.
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It is unplugged.
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What?
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She says what?
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And this is a very hard to reach cable because I have to use tweezers to reach it and put it
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back in.
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Look at this.
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We were home alone.
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Yes.
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Fast forward.
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I give the doll to my brother.
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It sleeps in the hallway, etc.
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But we are now thinking of either burning it or performing a ritual on it.
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This was absolutely insane.
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I regret ever buying that creepy ass doll.
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Give it to someone you hate.
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Right.
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Or send it to one of the creepy doll museums.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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What a night they had.
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I know.
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Okay.
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Well, now we're going to actually read some stories that come from elsewhere.
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We've got some new characters.
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Over on our slash scary stories, one post to recounts, a haunting that seemed to change
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the mood of an entire household.
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Hey, everyone.
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I wanted to share a creepy experience that happened recently at my uncle's house.
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And it's all linked to this viral doll trend.
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So here's what went down.
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My uncle has two kids.
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And a few weeks ago, my aunt had to travel abroad for an office tour.
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That left my uncle alone to manage the kids.
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As you can imagine, two little ones can be a handful.
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One day, after seeing all the hype about the doll online, the kids got super stubborn about
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wanting one to avoid further tantrums.
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My uncle gave in and bought them a doll.
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Things were fine for a day.
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One day.
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Yeah.
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The night after my aunt returned from her trip, she heard something disturbing, a woman crying
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somewhere in the house.
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She checked every room, but there was no one and nothing unusual.
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She ignored it, thinking it might just be her imagination or jet lag.
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I feel like-
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Why is it an imagination?
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I know.
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I'm like, "Girl, if you think that's your imagination?"
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I don't know.
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Maybe you need to talk to someone.
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She's just trying to rationalize it.
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I can respect that.
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Yeah.
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I can respect that.
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I don't understand it.
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And as far as jet lag, I don't think that I've ever been that tired.
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I don't.
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How are you ever going to fall asleep after you've heard a phantom woman crying in your
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house?
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Sometimes people just get that sleepy.
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I can't.
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You can fall asleep anywhere.
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So I'm probably embarking on the wrong trip.
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I already took a nap earlier today.
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And it's not.
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It's only 3.30 right now.
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But then the next night, same thing.
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She played it night, she heard the sound of a woman softly weeping.
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Again, nothing was found.
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On the third night, it happened again.
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This time, she woke up my uncle and told him everything.
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To her surprise, he said, "You've been hearing this for three nights and didn't wake me before."
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I was just going to say.
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Yeah.
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I would tell you on the first time I heard it.
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Did you hear that?
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Yeah.
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Can you imagine?
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Yeah.
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I guess, if you're waking up in the middle of the night, maybe the courteous thing to do is
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not wake up your partner if there's no immediate danger.
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Yeah, who cares?
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I would not be convinced I was not in immediate danger.
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I'd be waking you'll ask.
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You have.
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You've done it before.
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Yeah.
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Well, we've had several instances where we both wake up because we've heard a noise or
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we've both woken up randomly.
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And then, why are we both suddenly awake at the very same time?
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Right.
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I remember the times that it has happened.
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I don't remember what I heard.
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I just know something woke me up.
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Yeah.
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And then, danger, danger.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then, I immediately investigate.
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He then paused and added, "Maybe it's that doll."
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I feel like that's kind of a show.
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Well, he just went straight to that.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's interesting because I'm like, listen, I already have established for myself
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that dolls are up to no good.
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But I just didn't realize that so many of these people would be with me on this.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, it does feel, I feel a little bit vindicated.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Turns out, he had come across some strange articles online saying that certain dolls are
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believed to be cursed or demonic.
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That same night, my uncle didn't take any chances.
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He got up, took the doll and threw it far away from the house.
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Good for him.
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Yeah.
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That's, I mean, that's a dad.
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That is a dad and like, you got to do that.
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That's for me.
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I would just, you know, I would say, I'd be skeptical.
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I mean, come on.
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It's a doll.
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But wait.
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What's a doll going to do?
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A doll doesn't, but he, and I agree with that move.
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He's just like, whatever.
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Let's just get rid of it.
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Let's get it out of here.
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Did that fix it?
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I think based on the next sentence, I'm going with no.
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Okay.
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I'm going to go with no.
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I feel confident in the no.
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Here's where things get even weirder.
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For the past few days, the kids had been behaving oddly.
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They were super cranky, refused to go to school, even their favorite classes.
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And we're always upset for no reason.
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But the very next morning, after the doll was thrown away, it was like a cloud had lifted.
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The kids woke up smiling full of energy, no mention of the doll at all.
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It was like they didn't even remember it.
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The whole vibe of the house changed, peaceful, cheerful, and light.
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We still don't know what exactly was going on, but one thing is clear.
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That doll wasn't just a toy.
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Anyone else experienced anything strange with these dolls?
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That was some bad jeez-jee.
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Yeah.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I'm like, okay.
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So like, what are these dolls that people, like, okay, I want to know what doll, I'm not
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playing any dolls just to be clear, but what are these dolls?
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Because I want to like, stay far, far, far away.
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No, let's get one.
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Let's find out.
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It's funny you should say that.
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I think I might have a lead.
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So I don't know.
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No, but we'll.
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Maybe we'll explore that.
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I was just joking.
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I know.
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I don't want that in my home.
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I know.
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That's like house rules here.
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And then there are the quick real world encounters like this one from a fan who got an unexpected
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warning from a stranger.
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And this one is kind of odd.
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All of these are odd.
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But I think that this one is kind of like what the hell.
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Hmm.
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It really, I had to go back and reread it.
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It's very short.
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Today I went to a store with my doll on my bag and as I was checking out, one of the workers
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came up to me and said, you know those things are really cute.
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But if you knew what they stood for, you'd no longer want it.
22:30
And then followed by telling me it was a demon.
22:33
Really?
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Yeah.
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Seems kind of intense.
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I already have so many questions.
22:40
Go on, please.
22:41
Okay, good.
22:43
I've seen discourse on TikTok about dolls being demonic, but never thought people took
22:50
that serious enough to approach strangers, which is like, I don't think I take anything
22:55
seriously enough to approach strangers.
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People have opinions.
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Yeah.
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I just, they got all at the world now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
23:06
I know beach to Sandy wouldn't exist if they didn't.
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I just wanted to share because I thought it was weird and was wondering if anyone else
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has had a similar experience.
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Nope.
23:18
I have not.
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You haven't?
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Because I don't carry dolls on my backpack.
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Oh.
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Maybe I should.
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But now I've learned that they represent demons.
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So now I won't.
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Yeah, I feel like it's a tough situation here.
23:35
You may have pieced together by now that we're not talking about just any doll.
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Is that fair to say?
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Yeah, I mean, this is not a child's play thing.
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I mean, arguably, I mean, they're supposed to be.
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I don't.
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Okay.
23:53
So you should have some links popping up here.
23:55
We gulped it.
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Oh, it's hard to find a good one that like gives you a whole leadership.
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This is crazy.
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What?
24:03
What?
24:04
Okay.
24:05
So you sent me this link for Labubu.
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I don't know what this is, but I see a photo of Labubu the monsters.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
24:19
I've never seen this up until yesterday.
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Really?
24:24
Up until yesterday I saw this.
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You know where I saw this?
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Where?
24:28
I went to the duck's game at Austin Stadium.
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Yeah.
24:31
Somebody had one on their bag, didn't they?
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No.
24:33
I saw the skulls, the mascot, the Oregon duck's mascot was dressed up as Labubu.
24:41
Shut the fuck up.
24:42
Are you kidding me?
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I'm not.
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Did you get pictures of it?
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I'm going to have to look this up.
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Oh my god.
24:48
When I saw him, I had no idea what it was to this moment.
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I did not know what it was.
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And I'm going to have to see if I have pictures of it, but he was dressed up as this.
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And it confused me.
25:02
And it was like just for the first quarter.
25:05
And then after the quarter was over, he got back into his regular puddles mascot uniform.
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But I didn't know what that was.
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I'm going to see if I took any photos, but I just kind of chalked it up to, I don't know,
25:22
Halloween coming up or something.
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I don't know.
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And then you send me this link and I see the photo and I'm like, oh my god, he was wearing
25:31
that.
25:32
I've never seen this.
25:33
I was so upset because I was like this whole episode, the basis of it was that I was going
25:40
to like totally throw Cassie off about how I'm talking about haunted dolls and.
25:47
Oh my god.
25:48
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I got a video of it.
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Look at this.
25:52
Okay.
25:53
So I'm going to pause it.
25:54
So this was meant to be.
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This is crazy.
25:58
Look.
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That's him.
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Dude.
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The duck's mascot was dressed up to this thing and I want to know what you have to say about
26:09
this because I know nothing about this.
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Here's the back of it.
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Oh my god.
26:14
Okay.
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Okay.
26:16
So if you just showed me the front, I would have said, okay, like they're doing like kind of
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a cheap knockoff.
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No, that's easy.
26:26
It is like Paulie's supposed to be a little boo boo.
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Okay.
26:31
So I saw a whole lot of the mascot from the Oregon ducks football team dressed up as this.
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I didn't know what it meant.
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This was yesterday.
26:39
Okay.
26:40
So they were playing the OSU cow.
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Cowboys.
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This was September 6th.
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It is now September 7th and you're now talking about this.
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Yeah.
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I had no idea you were going to be talking about this.
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I had no idea what it meant when I saw the mascot dress.
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You didn't even have tickets for that game until like what two days ago.
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I bought it on Friday.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And you couldn't have known that puddles was going to be dressed up.
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Oh my god.
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I mean, even in this moment, I have no idea what this thing is.
27:10
You're going to tell me all about it.
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Yeah.
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But I just saw the photo and I was like, oh wow, I saw puddles.
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The Oregon mascot dressed up as this.
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Are you for freaking out?
27:22
That's crazy.
27:24
Okay.
27:25
So what is this thing?
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Oh my god.
27:28
The Labouboo phenomenon began innocently enough in 2015 when Hong Kong born and Netherlands
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raised artists casing lung introduced the character as part of his storybook series,
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The Monsters.
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I have no clue.
27:45
Ever heard of it?
27:46
I have no.
27:47
The series is deeply rooted in Nordic folklore and fairy tales initially known only to a niche
27:55
audience.
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Labouboo's quirky, ugly, cute aesthetic, the furry, elf-like creature, each iteration
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flaunting nine serrated teeth and mischievous grins was later catapulted into the spotlight
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by the Chinese retailer, Popmart.
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Their exaggerated expressions create a confusing animalistic blend of wholesomeness and impishness.
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I see that.
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Yeah.
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They've kind of in a weird way and I'm certainly not the first person to draw this parallel,
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but they remind me of a Furby a little bit.
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Are you looking at him?
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I'm looking at it.
28:36
I don't remember what a Furby is.
28:38
That sounds familiar to me.
28:40
Okay.
28:41
So you need to look up a Furby really quick.
28:42
Oh boy.
28:43
Okay.
28:44
We're just going down one rabbit hole at the next.
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Oh, okay.
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I remember these.
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No, I hated these things.
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I had one.
28:54
These are awful looking.
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They're kind of scary looking.
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I like Labouboo.
28:59
I don't like Furby.
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You like Labouboo.
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Okay.
29:02
I actually am kind of partial to Labouboo as well as compared to a Furby.
29:09
I had a Furby and I will tell you that those things, they really, they had kind of a similar
29:15
reaction.
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In terms of the public consciousness, people were like, they're evil.
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They're demonic.
29:23
Oh, okay.
29:25
And I definitely had a late night experience with it just like starting talking in the middle
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of the night.
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Oh my God.
29:32
And they're not supposed to talk.
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Well, the Furby's did talk.
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But it was like, it was totally unprovoked in the middle of the night and then even when
29:43
I put it in a drawer because they say like, oh, you know, put it somewhere where it's
29:46
like dark and then it knows it's nighttime and go to sleep.
29:50
It just kept talking.
29:53
Nope.
29:54
So I think we understand where some of Caitlin's trauma regarding dolls comes from.
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They come in various forms, including figurines, plushies and bag charms.
30:06
They even have like phone charms with Labubu.
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Okay.
30:11
A significant aspect of their appeal is the blind box model.
30:15
Are you familiar?
30:18
No, I do.
30:19
Okay.
30:20
So this is where consumers purchase sealed boxes without knowing which specific character
30:25
they'll get.
30:26
Oh, sure.
30:27
Yeah.
30:28
That's done for a lot of things.
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A lot of things.
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Yeah.
30:31
It's wildly successful.
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And we're in Disneyland.
30:34
We're looking at a bunch of those.
30:36
Mystery pins.
30:37
Mystery.
30:38
Yeah.
30:39
So it adds an element of surprise and scarcity.
30:45
That's according to experts familiar with the psychology behind the brand's wildly successful
30:51
marketing strategy.
30:53
So while the characters, origins, trace back to lungs, illustrated book series, The Monsters,
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the Chinese toy company Popmart that's responsible for the rapid commercialization and distribution
31:06
of Labubu and related products.
31:11
Even NPR is talking about Labubu these days.
31:15
And it's fun to say.
31:17
It really is.
31:18
Labubu.
31:19
Labubu.
31:20
But how the hell have these creepy cute Furby-esque creatures suddenly become a household
31:28
name and they are.
31:30
Ah, this household.
31:33
Well, like it is like a 50/50 in this household up until today.
31:39
Even an infinite marketing and advertising budget can't fully ensure that any particular
31:44
product will take off in the way that Labubus have.
31:48
This is kind of thing that every ad agency, they want to bottle it like this energy.
31:57
In this case, the endorsement of one pop culture sensation led to another.
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Lisa of the K-pop girl group, Black Pink, is largely credited with their rise to meteoric
32:10
popularity.
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Like so many of the viral trends that came before, this all started on Instagram.
32:17
Lisa first publicly shared her love of Labubu's in April 2024.
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The reaction of fans was swift and began to catapult the brand in the global market.
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The Labubus were really primarily popular in parts of, I believe like Southeast Asia.
32:38
And this took them to a whole new level.
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Many have speculated that no official ties to a paid promotion of any kind have ever been
32:46
identified.
32:48
But do I smell a brand color?
32:51
Right.
32:52
I don't think they need it.
32:54
Well here's the thing.
32:56
In fact, Lisa has expressed interest in a possible collaboration with Labubu suggesting
33:02
it would be a lot of fun and could blow up the internet.
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Which is like the most K-pop thing to say I think.
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I kind of love it.
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But I mean think about this.
33:19
This situation, it's like if imagine MJ just rocked Nike's without ever collecting a dime.
33:27
Yeah, okay.
33:28
Right.
33:29
So she's doing that basically.
33:31
Yeah.
33:32
I mean, yes.
33:33
And you're going to see because we're going to talk about the scale at which these things
33:38
have just become.
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It is.
33:41
It's mind-boggling.
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Yeah.
33:43
She needs to get paid.
33:44
She needs to get paid.
33:46
Lisa.
33:47
I'm sure Lisa's getting paid, but to be honest, they should pay her for this as well.
33:51
Okay.
33:52
Get your Bayer girl.
33:54
The incredible surge in demand for their products led to pop-marts, brick and mortar
33:59
stores, as well as their RoboShops quickly selling out.
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And we have a RoboShop within a handful of miles from us.
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I happen to have checked.
34:10
What is a RoboShop?
34:12
It's basically a vending machine.
34:14
Okay.
34:15
Yeah.
34:16
So I had a question and I was like, this sounds like a vending machine and then I looked it
34:19
up and I was like, that's exactly what it is.
34:21
Gotcha.
34:22
Yeah.
34:23
We may need to take a field trip.
34:24
Could be.
34:25
In turn, the resell market went crazy and prices for particularly desirable LeBoubou's
34:33
inflated to almost unimaginable levels.
34:37
Yet with fame came controversy.
34:40
Starting to Shenyan Customs data, more than 400 pop-mart toys were seized in April and
34:47
May of this year.
34:50
resellers have been trying to smuggle them in all over China.
34:54
Price gougers are able to fetch a price of nearly 20 times the original cost.
34:59
So China has been cracking down.
35:02
Those scalpers.
35:03
I know.
35:04
Honestly, I think that is problematic.
35:06
It is kind of laughable, because it's all about a toy.
35:12
But people get excited about these things and then unfortunately, the resell market, there's
35:20
a lot of really problematic activity.
35:22
Yeah.
35:23
That happens in so many things.
35:26
Yeah.
35:27
All kinds of memorabilia and collectibles.
35:32
This is far from the only controversial or criminal behavior plaguing the brand.
35:38
Stories about late-night robberies have been sprouting up state-side all over the country.
35:43
LA County, St. Louis, Le Puente, no locality seems immune to the LeBoubou trend or the
35:51
thievery targeting it.
35:54
There was actually one robbery that probably almost anybody who's already aware of the
35:58
LeBoubou trend has heard about where heaves allegedly went into a shop and they stole $30,000
36:08
worth of LeBoubou's because they had some very like desirable ones.
36:13
Wow.
36:14
So what is that like eight of them?
36:16
Exactly.
36:17
I know.
36:18
Thanks the question.
36:19
How many LeBoubou's is that?
36:24
Of course anything worth stealing or smuggling is typically also worth duping.
36:30
The better business bureau and news organizations warn of the risks of online purchases as well
36:36
as LeBoubou's scams, which is like the most fun sounding scam.
36:43
Aside from just generally looking off or cheap, there is one sure fire way to determine
36:49
whether you've got a true blue LeBoubou or a knockoff known
36:54
as a LeBoubou.
36:56
Oh.
36:57
Which is.
36:58
I don't like that as much.
36:59
It's still fun.
37:00
Not as much.
37:01
I was really curious to get your reaction on that because part of me almost likes the LeBouboubou
37:06
more.
37:08
They're both really fun to say.
37:10
It's quintess.
37:11
The legitimate LeBoubou brand dolls have 90th while the LeBoubou is said to typically
37:18
hop 10.
37:19
What if they just do 9?
37:21
Well, okay.
37:25
So the thing about it is that you get into trademark issues.
37:27
So when certain types of highly recognizable products or if it has a specific logo and this
37:36
happens a lot with designer handbags, you can only match it so closely because otherwise
37:43
you run the risk of being sued by the actual brand.
37:48
I feel like you can still be sued though.
37:52
Yes.
37:53
I mean, I'm sure you could.
37:54
I think they do certain things to kind of be like, well, this is clearly different because
38:01
this is well established of the particular brand.
38:07
So ours is just a little bit different.
38:10
Right.
38:11
That's a whole another topic.
38:12
It really is.
38:13
It really is.
38:14
And yes, my sentiment is very much that coming up here.
38:20
There are other similar slight discrepancies in the overall appearance of the dolls out there,
38:25
but I'll leave the collectible sleuthing up to somebody who's interested enough to follow
38:31
up on their own time.
38:33
So the number of teeth is a good one that's an easy verifiable thing.
38:38
There you go.
38:39
In general, they just look not quite right.
38:43
It's the feedback that I got from so many sources.
38:47
When you know, you know, yes, exactly.
38:50
I feel like, you know, if Congress doesn't know how to define porn, but they know it when
38:55
they see it.
38:56
Same thing for Labu-bubu versus Lafufu.
39:00
So bad.
39:01
They're good appeal.
39:03
Some Lafufu lovers appreciate the unintentional flaws and quirky appearances of the fake dolls,
39:10
creating them ugly cute or even comical, according to business insider.
39:17
Challenging the notion of authenticity for some, buying and showcasing Lafufu's can be
39:23
seen as a way to push back against consumerism and the pressure to own expensive, authentic
39:29
items.
39:30
Which I can totally get that.
39:32
It's kind of like anti-establishment vibes.
39:36
Joey Kong, a trends manager at London-based market research agency, Mintel, said, "Like
39:43
most fakes, Lafufu's reflect a combination of systemic market inequalities and genuine
39:49
human motivations.
39:51
The desire to belong, to experience joy, and to participate in the cultural moment.
39:57
Because that's what a trend is."
40:01
China has never been so determined to fix IP in parentheses intellectual property thefts.
40:09
Thanks to Labu-bubu's contribution not just as a global best-selling toy, but as a soft
40:15
power tool.
40:17
A Chinese consumer trends analyst said, "Defending Labu-bubu's IP is no longer just about
40:24
business interest, but about national interest."
40:27
Wow.
40:28
High-fifth.
40:29
Very important.
40:30
Yeah.
40:31
So, a lot of that sounds a little bit more aligned with true crime, right?
40:37
Sure.
40:38
Yeah.
40:39
Because none of that piece of things was like super spooky.
40:42
That was all like price scouting and theft and...
40:47
Yeah.
40:48
Yeah.
40:49
I thought we were just talking about toys here.
40:51
Yeah.
40:52
No, it's very intense.
40:53
It always happens that way on this show.
40:56
Yeah.
40:57
But did I just bait and switch after reading you those scary stories at the top?
41:02
Like, if you were a betting man, what would you say?
41:04
Kind of feels like it.
41:05
I know.
41:07
Not exactly.
41:08
It turns out there are all Reddit stories about Labu-bubu's.
41:12
Uh-huh.
41:13
Labu-bubu dolls, despite what some might consider an off-putting albeit harmless appearance,
41:20
have become the subject of online stories and theories suggesting they are just playing
41:26
creepy.
41:27
Hunted or demonic or otherwise evil.
41:30
Of course they are.
41:32
Yeah.
41:33
Or they are Chinese spies.
41:36
Oh, actually, that's...
41:38
That's a thing.
41:39
Put your tin foil hat on.
41:41
Mm-hmm.
41:42
Yeah.
41:43
Yeah.
41:45
These narratives often portray the dolls as having a dark or evil side.
41:50
Despite their original design by casing lung being inspired by Nordic folklore, and they're
41:58
actually intended to be kind-hearted.
42:00
Seems like it.
42:02
Doesn't it?
42:03
I mean, they have kind of a mischievous little look about them, but it's like, I don't
42:07
know.
42:08
It's cute.
42:09
It's fun.
42:10
Yeah.
42:11
Some stories suggest the dolls move on their own, whisper or even exhibit other supernatural
42:18
behaviors, and these area accounts set the stage for the strange blend of pop culture hype
42:26
and supernatural rumors to follow.
42:30
Some people have reported generally feeling uneasy or experiencing a sense of dread around
42:35
the dolls, which I mean, yeah, that feels fair.
42:40
Leading to speculation about their psychological impact as well as, honestly, like the weakest
42:47
version of the satanic panic that I can recall just feels like, I don't know, is there nothing
42:54
else to be alarmed about in today's world?
42:58
This is why you're picking.
43:00
This is the hill you'd like to die on.
43:04
I guess.
43:05
Okay, Bobby.
43:07
And it doesn't just end at satanic panic because this is why we can't have nice things.
43:14
A viral social media theory began linking La Boo Boo to Pazuzu.
43:21
The ancient Mesopotamian demon god made famous by the cult classic film released in 1973,
43:30
the exorcist.
43:31
The comparison hinged on a few visual similarities that I can't find and was amplified by user
43:39
sharing ominous posts, including a clip from the Simpsons featuring Pazuzu.
43:46
Despite the dramatic narrative, experts and fact checkers have thoroughly debunked the
43:51
theory.
43:53
La Boo Boo was born from childhood nostalgia and folklore, not dark mythology.
44:01
Also, let's not forget Pazuzu was itself at least in part of fictional
44:09
character created by the author of the exorcist William Peter Blattie.
44:17
Y'all need to touch some grass.
44:20
Although I could make an argument that maybe they've already touched some grass.
44:28
You know, it's like which.
44:31
Personally, I don't think La Boo Boo's look like the pictures that I found of Pazuzu.
44:37
In any way, like you said, they both have faces.
44:43
The only thing arguably more scary than corporate greed laid bare or even the paranormal is maybe
44:50
racism.
44:52
Go on.
44:54
I was counting on that being a little bit both confusing and intriguing.
45:00
Take the UK-based social media influencer who was racking up the views for her increasingly
45:06
rare, unusual and expensive La Boo Boo's.
45:13
And her home spun KSI, La Boo Boo.
45:17
KSI is a British YouTuber, rapper and professional boxer.
45:22
I've heard of them.
45:23
You have?
45:24
Have you seen them?
45:25
Yeah.
45:26
Alright.
45:27
So you know where this is going?
45:28
Maybe?
45:29
Canna?
45:30
No.
45:31
No, I do.
45:32
Even if you have some context, your brain's not going to go there.
45:37
A promise.
45:38
He is widely known as JJ and is also a co-founder of The Side Men, a group of popular YouTubers.
45:46
He's even a successful entrepreneur.
45:49
Co-owning the Energy Drink Company Prime Hydration with Logan Paul will just sidestep the co-owners
45:55
questionable persona and say, "Good for KSI for diversifying his portfolio and career prospects."
46:04
The backlash and public outcry about the wildly racially insensitive modifications that she
46:10
made to her doll led to her removing the video she had posted about it.
46:16
But the video was saved before she managed to wipe the instance of blackface from the
46:21
interwebs.
46:22
Oh, boy.
46:24
I just can't.
46:27
As I was writing up my notes over several days, KSI finally responded to the whole thing because
46:34
there were a lot of people saying, "How does he feel about it?
46:38
Does he feel like it's racist?"
46:39
And I feel like blackface is kind of racist, even if he doesn't necessarily take a ton of
46:46
offense.
46:47
It's just probably not something we should do.
46:51
And according to a short clip of the TikTok he posted in reply, his major complaint was
46:56
that on the doll his forehead was so big.
47:00
Oh, yeah.
47:02
Nobody likes that.
47:04
Nobody likes that.
47:05
So he's responded in good humor.
47:10
That's only to his credit.
47:11
I don't think that's anything in her defense because it's pretty gross.
47:18
But, of course, the most important thing is that the
47:21
Internet is a very important thing.
47:23
And the most important thing is that the Internet is a very important thing.
47:27
And the most important thing is that the Internet is a very important thing.
47:32
And the most important thing is that the Internet is a very important thing.
47:36
And the most important thing is that the Internet is a very important thing.
47:40
And the most important thing is that the Internet is a very important thing.
47:45
The Toys blend of ugly cute charm, blind box thrill, celebrity endorsements, and fringe
47:52
rumors only intensified its status.
47:56
Not as a toy born of darkness, but as a mirror of our own fascination with the uncanny
48:02
and the unknown.
48:06
Well put.
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Yeah.
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I know it's such an interesting thing.
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I feel like there are so many trends that kind of...
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It's like it really kind of makes you think.
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Like, it's not that deep.
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Yeah, it shouldn't be.
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It shouldn't be, but man, I mean, you involve people all over the world and you're going
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to get all different kinds of perspectives and any opportunity to make a buck is really,
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you know, there's opportunities there that people are going to take advantage.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Popularity, boredom, and money.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's a winning combination.
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It seems to be here.
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Well, at least for Pop Mart.
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Well, Christopher, should we tell the people what we've done?
48:56
Yes, let's do it.
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We went to a place, we took a field trip.
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Yeah, we did.
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Okay, so aside from a little bit of TV watching, we took a little break.
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We went on a field trip and we had a meal.
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But we also came back with a pirate coach.
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And the toy?
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Yeah, possibly.
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Okay, I'm going to have you shuffle.
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Like actually shuffle or just cut it?
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You can do whatever you want.
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I'm just going to cut it.
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I'm lazy.
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I took another nap.
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I need to take another nap.
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Okay.
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All right.
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And we are down two cameras, but you know we're good for it.
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Okay.
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So I'm going to do kind of what I classically do and I'll just spread and you tell me if
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there's like one end of the deck or kind of a specific card that you feel like is calling
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us.
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What do you think?
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Mm.
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Wait, you can just put your finger across it and I'll tell you when.
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When?
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That one.
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That one?
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Okay.
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On the left hand side.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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The Ace of Cups.
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Ooh.
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She's pretty.
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I don't know what that means.
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Okay.
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Well, I'm going to tell you.
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Good.
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I need it.
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Thank goodness I'm here, right?
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Thank goodness I'm here.
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All right.
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So we drew the Ace of Cups in the upward position, the upright, I should say, keywords are
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new love, beginning a creative activity and joy.
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Well, look at that.
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Look at that.
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A single large cellus appears on the Ace of Cups.
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Sometimes water flows out of it fountain like or the cup sits in water.
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In the writer, Wait Smith deck, a hand emerging from a cloud offers the cup as a gift to you.
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This represents a gift of love, either of a personal or divine nature.
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This Ace reminds us of the Holy Grail, the most famous cellus of all, which some people
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believe now lies in the cellus well in Glastonbury, England.
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All right.
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So I'm going to reach you the main interpretation and then there is an extra excerpt.
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So wonderful.
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The upright Ace denotes a burst of joy, the kind that comes with falling in love.
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And it's appearance heralds a new romance, but it can also represent the start of a creative
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project about which you feel happy.
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Are we getting into the LeBoubou business?
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This is telling us we may be.
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I feel like I don't know what that means, but maybe we are.
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I'm scared.
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Yeah, as you should be.
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When this beautiful card shows up, it indicates you're on an emotional high and enjoying life.
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Sometimes it indicates the birth of a child or idea.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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All right.
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In reading about money, the Ace suggests the beginning of a creative endeavor that promises
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to be profitable.
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I like that.
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I like that too.
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I'm with you.
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Read carefully and the seeds will bear fruit.
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If the reading is about your work, you may be starting a new job and feel enthusiastic
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about it.
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Perhaps this position will allow you to express your creativity or fulfill a dream even
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though it might take some time.
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In a reading about love, the Ace symbolizes the first stages of a romantic relationship.
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Nurture it so your love will blossom.
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Sometimes it represents awakening to divine love.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And then our extra excerpt is a Wicken Blessing.
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Sharing a beverage in a chalice is a popular practice in Wicken rituals.
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Sometimes the chalice is offered with the blessing, may you never thirst.
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Because the chalice is passed from one person to another, it may feature a long stem that
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makes it easier to handle.
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Okay.
53:44
Interesting.
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Alright.
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And then I guess we break into our package now.
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Yeah.
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Let's see if that has anything to do with any of that.
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Okay.
53:57
So I didn't plan to do this for the episode but I'm going to be honest.
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Chris broke me down.
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I did.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
54:06
Okay.
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So.
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Big into energy.
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Yeah.
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A Labouboo.
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A Labouboo.
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We found one.
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There were multiple ones.
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Honestly.
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Yeah.
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If money were no object, I think probably we would have acquired multiple Laboubos because
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I kind of feel like I want to know what all of us is about.
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It wasn't cheap.
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No.
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They're not giving them away.
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I believe that it was more than retail.
54:40
There's some debate about that.
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Yeah.
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Well, so Chris actually found on Facebook Marketplace a lot of Laboubos being advertised at or
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below the price that Popmart offers them at.
54:56
Caitlin, thanks for your cheek or their fake.
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Yes.
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I think they are, in fact, the foofoos.
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Yeah.
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They could be.
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Yeah.
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So you've already cracked it open a little bit.
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I know just a tiny core.
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What's explained here?
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This is a mystery pack, right?
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We don't know what we're getting.
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Yeah, they really all are.
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All of them are okay.
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Yeah.
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I'm not aware of any that you can buy from a legitimate dealer where you can know what
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they are.
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So on the side, it shows what we could get, right?
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What are the options there?
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So our options are love, hope, serenity, luck, happiness, loyalty, and then there's a secret.
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Option.
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So we'll see.
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So we're destroying the value here.
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I imagine by opening it, it's obviously like any collectible item, more valuable by keeping
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it sealed, unopened, brand new.
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I think in terms of resale, this is a little bit different than some of the other collectibles
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like beanie babies.
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Because ultimately the value could be higher depending on what you have in the box until
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you open it.
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You kind of don't really know if this is just sort of a run of the mill or if it's one of
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the secret ones.
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I don't care about the value.
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I just want to know what we got.
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Okay.
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So our chances are one in six of receiving one of the regular addition.
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We have one in 72 chance of receiving the secret.
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So.
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Okay.
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Alright.
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It's the moment of truth.
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Open that next to the mic.
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Oh, that's a good open.
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Oh, that feels good.
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It's got real good ASMR.
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I was just going to say, didn't know we're doing an ASMR pod now.
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Okay.
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My gosh.
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So just for reference, do not eat.
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It is the I want to eat it.
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He's never wanted anything more.
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Don't tell me what to do.
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I'm thinking.
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That's the car that tells us what it is.
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It's so much.
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It's the cent.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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The box had a bag and now we have to open the bag.
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The bag is open.
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It looks really cute.
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Oh.
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Oh, he's got sort of a tie dive.
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It looks like a pink and orange little La Boo Boo.
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Look at his eyes.
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Okay, babe.
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I'm going to pass this to you.
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He looks, his eyes are sparkly.
57:57
Wow, that's pretty cool.
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Yeah.
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He's cute.
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It feels like an orange cream sickle type thing.
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You know what it makes me think of?
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Rainbow Sherbert.
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Yes.
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That's one of my favorites.
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Okay.
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So who is this guy?
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So this is loyalty.
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Loyalty.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Pretty cute.
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Pretty cute.
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I like it.
58:27
That feels like a good omen for the newly married couple, doesn't it?
58:31
Yeah.
58:33
We just celebrated our one year anniversary with a loyalty La Boo Boo.
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Yeah.
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It's cute.
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Oh, you know what?
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Its ears are different colors.
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He's very soft.
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Okay.
58:48
Counting his teeth like any good dental assistant would just just to be sure.
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Yeah.
58:54
It feels like good quality.
58:56
That is not a fake.
58:58
Yeah.
58:59
Okay.
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Well, we didn't get the secret one.
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Yeah.
59:02
That's okay.
59:03
What are you going to do?
59:04
I guess buy 71 more.
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Loyalty.
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Does, uh, I don't know.
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It doesn't really feel like it has anything to do with the tarot we drew though.
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Maybe just the act of getting this thing.
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Yeah.
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I feel like it's kind of an interesting one to have gotten with with the subject matter,
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right?
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Because loyalty.
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It's like, okay, first of all, don't steal.
59:31
Don't maybe make doops.
59:32
Well, there's a lot of brand loyalty into this little toy.
59:38
I'm just saying.
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And I'm starting to understand why I'm already becoming emotionally attached to it.
59:44
It's soft.
59:45
It has cute little sparkly eyes.
59:48
I mean, this is way cheaper than a puppy.
59:52
Yeah.
59:53
And it's not alive.
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Or I don't know.
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I don't know.
59:59
We've got some Reddit stories that might bake to different.
1:00:02
I'm so sorry, friend.
1:00:04
I just.
1:00:05
Yeah.
1:00:06
Don't piss that thing off.
1:00:07
Yeah.
1:00:08
I know.
1:00:09
Gosh.
1:00:10
I'm so sorry, friend.
1:00:11
Just in case.
1:00:12
Yeah.
1:00:13
I mean, you know, just be careful.
1:00:14
Yeah.
1:00:15
Cool.
1:00:16
We got one.
1:00:17
We got the logo.
1:00:18
We got one.
1:00:19
I might have to put it on my shelf back here.
1:00:21
What are you guys saying?
1:00:23
Do it.
1:00:24
All right.
1:00:25
Well, do you think, is it about that time?
1:00:27
Should we say the thing?
1:00:29
Close your mouth.
1:00:30
What's the?
1:00:31
Okay.
1:00:32
Have a creepy ass day.
1:00:35
See you next Tuesday.
1:00:37
Love bobo.
1:00:38
I do.
1:00:39
Yeah, it's cute.
1:00:52
I'm serious.
1:00:53
I'm forming an emotional attachment to it already.
1:00:55
Oh, no.
1:00:56
I'm worried.
1:00:57
(laughing)
1:00:59
(laughs)