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NUDE PICS IN Hollywood movie mogul RAPE TRIAL, Harvey Weinstein HOBBLES IN ON WALKER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein sex assault cases finally going to trial with
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  Speaker 1: two victims to testify in front of the jury, plus
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  Speaker 1: similar transaction victims. Eighty women accused Weinstein of sex harassment, assault,
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  Speaker 1: or rape. Finally it's the trial date. It's happening. Now
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  Speaker 1: it's time to pay the piper. You dance to the music,
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  Speaker 1: and now it's time to pay the band. Harvey Weinstein
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  Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace just screeched. Former Hollywood movie
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  Speaker 1: mogul Harvey Weinstein is going to trial more than two
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  Speaker 1: years after being accused by more than eighty women of
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  Speaker 1: sexual harassment, assault, or rape. A pre trial hearing is set,
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  Speaker 1: followed by jury selection on five sex crime charges. Weinstein
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  Speaker 1: has denied all allegations, saying any sexual relations were consensual,
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  Speaker 1: telling CNN, my main focus has been proving my innocence
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  Speaker 1: and clearing my name. The case heading to a New
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  Speaker 1: York City courtroom centering on allegations made by two of
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  Speaker 1: the women. That doesn't mean that the prosecution can't get
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  Speaker 1: in other facts, other evidence tending to support the fact that, look,
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  Speaker 1: this guy is a serial sexual predator. He's done it before,
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  Speaker 1: he would do it again. The prosecution hoping to paint
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  Speaker 1: that picture for the jury by calling four additional accusers
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  Speaker 1: to the stand. A smiling Harvey Weinstein arise at court
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  Speaker 1: using his walker as his trial on charge of rape
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  Speaker 1: and sex assault are set to begin with me an
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  Speaker 1: all star panel and investigative reporter Crime online dot Com
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  Speaker 1: Dave mcdave Matt, what's happening? Weinstein is accused of some
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  Speaker 1: of the most vile things I've ever heard of in
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  Speaker 1: my life as a husband, father of daughters. He just
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  Speaker 1: creeps me out. So he's finally going to court, and
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  Speaker 1: he actually was originally going to face three charges from
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  Speaker 1: three separate women. One of those was thrown out, and
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  Speaker 1: he'll be facing two. One is an anonymous woman who
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  Speaker 1: has made a case against him, and then Mimi Hallai,
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  Speaker 1: who has been very very public about her accusation. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: disgraced movie mogul Harvey Weinstein will face an army of
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  Speaker 1: accusers when his rape trial opens. As many as eighty women,
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  Speaker 1: including some major stars, are expected to attend as the
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  Speaker 1: historic trial unfolds. I just feel that if he saw
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  Speaker 1: all of us together, how could he possibly not have
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  Speaker 1: a moment of reckoning. Three of those accusers who call themselves.
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  Speaker 1: The silence breakers are speaking to Inside Edition today. They
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  Speaker 1: are Caitlin Delaney, Catherine Kendall, and Larissa Gomes. How do
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  Speaker 1: you feel about being in the same room with the
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  Speaker 1: man who assaulted and terrorized you. On the one hand,
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  Speaker 1: it's terrifying because I think that every time I see
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  Speaker 1: his face, even to this day, I feel some kind
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  Speaker 1: of trigger and some kind of emotion. I've seen him
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  Speaker 1: by accident a couple of times where I run into
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  Speaker 1: him and my knees started to tremble, and I felt
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  Speaker 1: like I just had to leave immediately. I felt really
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  Speaker 1: intimidated and unsafe. You are hearing our for an Inside Edition.
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  Speaker 1: We know that Mimi Leia, in her twenties at the
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  Speaker 1: time of the alleged attack, in an unnamed victim. The
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  Speaker 1: jury's going to hear from them. We also know that
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  Speaker 1: so called similar transactions will be brought in it trial.
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  Speaker 1: You were earlier hearing our friend Marcy Gonzalez at ABC's
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  Speaker 1: GMA in a Nutshell, Kathleen Murphy, what are similar transactions?
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  Speaker 1: The prior behaviors and acts of other victims who can
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  Speaker 1: come into court. Although the statute of limitations may have
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  Speaker 1: run on an ability to charge Weinstein with these charges.
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  Speaker 1: They're coming in to say he did the very same
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  Speaker 1: thing to me, and that pattern of behavior is indicative
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  Speaker 1: of current behavior. He held me down on the bed.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to get away, tried to get him off
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  Speaker 1: of me, and kept asking him to stop, but it
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  Speaker 1: was impossible. I remember Harvey afterwards rolling over onto his
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  Speaker 1: back saying, don't you feel we're so much closer to
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  Speaker 1: each other now, to which I replied no. The next
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  Speaker 1: thing I knew, he had unzipped his fly and pulled
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  Speaker 1: out his penis. My heart started pounding, My mind started racing.
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  Speaker 1: How do I deal with this? How do I get
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  Speaker 1: out of this? Am I going to get out of this?
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing a montage of various women. There are
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  Speaker 1: many more accusing Harvey Weinstein of attack. That was Mimi
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  Speaker 1: Jileia and Heather Kerr talking about their sex attack Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: Hanto Harvey Weinstein pleading not guilty to an indictment adding
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  Speaker 1: two charges to his New York trial. Prosecutors argued the
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  Speaker 1: indictment will now open the door for Remember the hit
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  Speaker 1: show on HBO Sopranos, The actress Annabella Siora from the
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  Speaker 1: Sopranos to testify against him in the sex assault case
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  Speaker 1: right now. To Leavipage Crime online dot com investigative reporter
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  Speaker 1: Levi's it All about, Annabella Siora, has is going to
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  Speaker 1: be used as a prior bad act witness. She claims
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  Speaker 1: that in the nineties that he sexually assaulted her one
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  Speaker 1: time after they had a business meeting in New York City,
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  Speaker 1: that he forced his way into her apartment and violently
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  Speaker 1: raped her, and then after that rape, that he sexually
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  Speaker 1: harassed her in the workplace for years and this has
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  Speaker 1: caused her so much trauma and distress that she now
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  Speaker 1: sleeps with a baseball bat at her side. This is
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  Speaker 1: one of the more horrific tales of sexual assault that
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  Speaker 1: he's allegedly committed, and she is going to expected to
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  Speaker 1: testify against him as a prior bad act as a
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  Speaker 1: similar circumstances to the new allegations that have been leveled
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  Speaker 1: against him. As you heard, Levi describes yours has once
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  Speaker 1: seeing raped her inside her Manhattan apartment after she started
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  Speaker 1: in a film for him for his movie studio in
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  Speaker 1: the nineties. Now, prosecutors could not charge him with the
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  Speaker 1: attack on Shiora because of the time statute of limitations,
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  Speaker 1: but this new indictment will allow them to call her
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  Speaker 1: as a witness. What about it? To Troy slighton renowned
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  Speaker 1: defense turning out of LA similar transactions, that's what they
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  Speaker 1: are called under the law prior bad acts, Nancy. This
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  Speaker 1: is a way for prosecutors to make an end run
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  Speaker 1: around the constitution and bring in charges that they would
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  Speaker 1: not otherwise be able to bring because their time barred
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  Speaker 1: by the law. In this case, the judge had previously
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  Speaker 1: ruled that the allegations that Amabellashiora had made about an
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  Speaker 1: attack in nineteen ninety three could not be brought before
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  Speaker 1: the grand jury. She was barred from testifying before the
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  Speaker 1: grand jury because these claims are too old. And there's
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  Speaker 1: a good reason why we don't bring claims that are
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirty years old against somebody. It's because they're too
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  Speaker 1: hard to defend. People's memories fade, things get lost. That's
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  Speaker 1: such bs. You know, in most jurisdictions there's no time
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  Speaker 1: limit on similar transactions. So maybe in your jurisdiction out
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  Speaker 1: in LA there's a time limit, but not so in
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  Speaker 1: the majority of jurisdictions across the country. Especially when there
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  Speaker 1: is a finger print crime. And what I mean by
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  Speaker 1: that to forensic psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober, According to all
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  Speaker 1: of these women, it's the same thing over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over. Hey, you want to part in my movie,
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  Speaker 1: Come and talk to me about it. The nice female
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  Speaker 1: secretary assistant knows darnwell what's going on in ushers. They
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  Speaker 1: fly into the spider web where she's ripe. Same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go back to your apartment, talk about your career.
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  Speaker 1: She's raped. It goes on and on and on. Is
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  Speaker 1: a fingerprint crime? He always does the same thing, doctor Brober.
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  Speaker 1: Why shouldn't the jury here about it? It shows a
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  Speaker 1: pattern of conduct that is so similar that that is
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  Speaker 1: his mo and so in cases like this it is
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  Speaker 1: admissible for that reason. John Cardillo joining me, former NYPD,
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  Speaker 1: what do you know about Weinstein? So interesting? Nancy. Back
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, I was doing some consulting
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  Speaker 1: producer work with a very well known television producer for
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  Speaker 1: one of the larger networks. We were looking at a
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  Speaker 1: series about sexual predators and how law enforcement will track them.
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  Speaker 1: It was a bit gritty, so it never got picked up.
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  Speaker 1: But I was in the car myself this producer again
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  Speaker 1: a household name and a retired LAPD detective, and the
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  Speaker 1: producer said, we were talking about the pervasive problem of
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  Speaker 1: sex abuse in Hollywood, and this is ten years ago.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I don't know how Harvey Weinstein isn't in
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  Speaker 1: jail for the most of his life. And the agent
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  Speaker 1: said to me, he goes, yeah, you know, we've tried,
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  Speaker 1: but this guy is a horrible person. He destroys careers.
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  Speaker 1: The LAPD Task Force had info on an NYPD and
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  Speaker 1: he'd just going back ten years now. They said they
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  Speaker 1: had witnesses, but like the stories were hearing today, he
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  Speaker 1: would destroy their careers preemptively and then continue not just
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  Speaker 1: to harass them now again this is anecdotal, but also
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  Speaker 1: harass their friends, their family, destroy careers in the business
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  Speaker 1: of people that would even go and have a coffee
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  Speaker 1: with them to console them. This is before this was
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  Speaker 1: ever in the headline. So when this all came out,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't surprising to me. It comported with what I
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  Speaker 1: was told ten years ago by a very reputable source,
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  Speaker 1: and the stories that they told me then about him
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  Speaker 1: are almost identical today. I have to say, as a
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  Speaker 1: former investigator, I believe every one of his victims, because
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  Speaker 1: people as high profile as Annabella Siora have nothing to
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  Speaker 1: gain by coming out and telling the stories in the
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  Speaker 1: way they're telling crime stories with Nancy Grace. I was
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  Speaker 1: sitting on the bed talking to Harvey when he pushed
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  Speaker 1: me back and forced himself onto me. It was not consensual.
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  Speaker 1: He did not use a condom. Once he excused himself
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  Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, and he came back in
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  Speaker 1: nothing but a robe. Obviously his whole demeanor changed. He's
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  Speaker 1: holding my forearm pretty forcefully, and we're both now standing
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  Speaker 1: in front of the mirror, and he just keeps saying,
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  Speaker 1: just watch me, just watch me masturbate. And I waked up,
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he takes his pants
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  Speaker 1: down and starts doing his stuff, and I hate blocking
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  Speaker 1: the door. I can't get out. And then he says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're a really nice girl. You shouldn't tell
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  Speaker 1: anybody about that. You are hearing a montage of various women.
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  Speaker 1: There aren't any more accusing Harvey Weinstein of attack. Welcome back,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and see Grace. This is crime stories. Harvey
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  Speaker 1: Weinstein sex assault cases finally going to trial. Now. Some
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  Speaker 1: people are claiming that there has been police misconduct. The
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  Speaker 1: only police misconduct I found so far, anyway, is that
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  Speaker 1: it took them so long to bring charges. They even
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  Speaker 1: had one victim on tape trying to fight Harvey Weinstein off.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, what do we have to
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  Speaker 1: do here. I'm gonna take a shower, you sue bear
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  Speaker 1: and have a drink and I stay on the bar. Now. Please,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything with you. I'm sorry. I don't
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  Speaker 1: but yesterday it was a kind of aggressive for I
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  Speaker 1: need to know a person. I want to do a
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  Speaker 1: thing I don't think. Please, I swear I won't just
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  Speaker 1: sit with me. Don't embarrass me in the hotel. I'm
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  Speaker 1: here all the time, so please sit there, please one minute, please,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to do something. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: go to the bad can listen to me. I want
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  Speaker 1: to go. Donstairs, not going to do anything. You'll ever
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  Speaker 1: see me again after this if you never you embarrass
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  Speaker 1: me in this hotel. I'm not embarrassing you. It's just
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  Speaker 1: that I don't want them feel comfortable. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to pay with me at please, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to do anything. I swear my children please come
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  Speaker 1: in on every day. I'm a famous guy. You're being
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  Speaker 1: very comfortable as coming now and one minute and if
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  Speaker 1: you want to leave when the guy comes with my
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  Speaker 1: midday you touch mine? Grease, Please, I'm sorry, you just
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  Speaker 1: come on. I'm used today. You're used to that. No,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not used to that again. Please. No, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to embarrassed me again. I'm sorry, I know,
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  Speaker 1: but yes, I was too great. I mean, I will
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  Speaker 1: never do another thing to you five minutes. Don't love
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  Speaker 1: your friendship with me for five minutes. I know, but
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's too much for you. Kind Please,
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  Speaker 1: you're making a big scene here, but I want to. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my skin is crawling. John Cardillo, your former nypad, what
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  Speaker 1: do you make of New York prosecutors having one victim
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  Speaker 1: wired and having Weinstein trying to caught on audio tape
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  Speaker 1: trying to force himself onto her or sexually and they
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  Speaker 1: didn't process. It wasn't them. I blame, I squarely blame.
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  Speaker 1: And I know some of the investigators on this case,
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  Speaker 1: former colleagues of mine Manhattan Da Cyrus Vans, who I
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  Speaker 1: feel through this case and I'll say it through this
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  Speaker 1: case because Weinstein was a big donor, and Weinstein's lawyer
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  Speaker 1: was a big donor to his particular political party. Weinstein's
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  Speaker 1: lawyer donated to his campaign. Weinstein hung out with the
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  Speaker 1: New York elite that Sivans needed to stay in office,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: and the Special Victims detectives on this case were absolutely livid.
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  Speaker 1: They were infuriated to the point where they wanted to
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  Speaker 1: shut down helping the DA's office. But they get in.
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  Speaker 1: Their professionals and their other victims deserve justice, but to
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  Speaker 1: a person, to a man and woman in a Special
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  Speaker 1: Victims unit and their commanders, they were infuriated at the
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  Speaker 1: way the DA dropped this case. Let me just add this,
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  Speaker 1: the New York City Police Department Special Victims Unit has
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  Speaker 1: some of the most talented, proficient profession detectives in the world.
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  Speaker 1: They don't present cases to the DA's office unless they
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  Speaker 1: are one sure those cases could be made. So again,
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  Speaker 1: they were livid about the long story short, understand this, Cardillo.
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame the SVU. I don't blame the detectives.
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  Speaker 1: They're the ones that wired her up. They're the ones
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  Speaker 1: that bent over backwards, did somersaults, did flips to try
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  Speaker 1: to get him, and they did get him. It all
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  Speaker 1: came to a screeching halt in the District Attorney's office
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  Speaker 1: where no one would take it to trial, and they
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  Speaker 1: did absolutely nothing. Dave Mack, What is the alleged police
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  Speaker 1: misconduct we're talking about? It actually centers around the case
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  Speaker 1: accusations of Lucia Evans. She was originally part of this trial,
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  Speaker 1: but one of the detectives allegedly gave instructions to a
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  Speaker 1: friend of miss regarding her comments that the relationship between
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  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein and Lucia Evans was actually consensual, and the
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  Speaker 1: detective suggested that she get rid of some of those
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  Speaker 1: text messages and voicemails that might be indicative of such
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  Speaker 1: a relationship. That's what actually caused the Lucia Evans part
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  Speaker 1: of this trial to be set aside and to move
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  Speaker 1: forward with the other two. Take a listen to this
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  Speaker 1: our friends at CBS. She had accused the movie producer
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  Speaker 1: of forcing her to perform oral sex during a meeting
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  Speaker 1: at his office back in two thousand and four, but
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  Speaker 1: the single charge was dropped by the judge after the
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  Speaker 1: court unsealed a letter Manhattan prosecutors wrote to Weinstein's lawyer
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  Speaker 1: last month about new evidence uncovered. A witness claims NYPD
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  Speaker 1: detective Nicholas Degaudio coached her to stay silent about evidence,
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  Speaker 1: partially contradicting evans account of the sex assault allegation, allegedly
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  Speaker 1: telling her less is more. Prosecutors also recently obtained an
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  Speaker 1: email Evans rode in twenty fifteen to a man she
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  Speaker 1: later married. They say that account differs from the one
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  Speaker 1: she provided to investigators. The NYPD says an internal affairs
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  Speaker 1: investigation over the allegations against the detective began a week
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  Speaker 1: ago and he is now off the case. The overall
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  Speaker 1: criminal case against mister Weinstein remained strong. The evidence is compelling.
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  Speaker 1: There are five remaining counts in the indictment, including predatory
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  Speaker 1: sexual assault. Crime stories with Nancy Grace welcome back, I
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  Speaker 1: mean and see Grace. This is crime stories. Harvey Weinstein's
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  Speaker 1: sex assault cases finally going to trial with two victims
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  Speaker 1: to testify in front of the jury, plus similar transaction
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  Speaker 1: victims Lucia Evans case. It's not part of this now.
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  Speaker 1: Some people are claiming that their hasbian police misconduct. All right,
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  Speaker 1: these are called similar transactions. You don't believe, Lucia Evans.
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  Speaker 1: Listen then I went to cans in May two fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: and whilst I was there, Harvey Weinstein approached me in
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  Speaker 1: the majestics in the lobby. It was quite forceful in
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  Speaker 1: the sense of telling me to relax, and I think
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  Speaker 1: then I started to like get a little bit confused.
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  Speaker 1: He took hold of me and pretty much forced me
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  Speaker 1: to w'll with him to the ballroom, where he stood
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  Speaker 1: me in front of the mirror. Take us to the
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  Speaker 1: moment that you knew you were in trouble with him. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I had met him in New York previously, and we
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  Speaker 1: had been in touch about an audition for a Quentin
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  Speaker 1: Tarantino film, and I had submitted it to LA and
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  Speaker 1: then I ran back into him later. And that's when
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  Speaker 1: I met with him at the Peninsula when I had
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  Speaker 1: moved to the West Coast. So I really didn't know
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  Speaker 1: anything about the Peninsula, like if he was staying there.
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  Speaker 1: I thought we were meeting at the bar, which we did,
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  Speaker 1: and then he told me, Okay, we're going to my
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  Speaker 1: room now. After a few minutes of conversation about movie roles.
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  Speaker 1: So then we go up to the suite and I
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  Speaker 1: realized he kind of like has a place there and
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  Speaker 1: he offers me champagne, and it was very similar to
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  Speaker 1: her story that he just is very dominant, persuasive, does
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  Speaker 1: not back down if you say no, and kind of
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  Speaker 1: just forced me into doing something I didn't want to do.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: some some people here forced oral sex and they think
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  Speaker 1: how right? Like how it did he hold you down?
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  Speaker 1: Could you just help us understand that I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it was a coercive thing, just that he wouldn't let
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  Speaker 1: it up, that he that it was just going to
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  Speaker 1: happen no matter how hard I refused, And did you
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  Speaker 1: said no? How did it end? Did you? How did
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  Speaker 1: you leave the hotel room? Um? It just that I
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  Speaker 1: left after pretty much he was done with whatever he
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  Speaker 1: intended to do, so I just left after. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how to put it. Jeff. Let me ask Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: because he's there with you. Your lawyer. Um, you filed,
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  Speaker 1: you filed the first lawsuit against them, and it's not
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  Speaker 1: Harvey in particular, it's the Weinstein Company, and I'm wondering, Well, first,
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  Speaker 1: let me ask you domine do you did you ever
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  Speaker 1: report it to the Weinstein Company or to the board
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  Speaker 1: I did not because I had heard a lot of
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  Speaker 1: stories about his behavior in the past, and I just
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was an actress looking for a break
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  Speaker 1: and he's a gatekeeper, and I felt that he used
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  Speaker 1: his position, you know, to try to make me do
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  Speaker 1: something that is not in accord with how I usually behave.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: You were just then hearing actress Dominique Hewitt speaking to
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  Speaker 1: Making Kelly. Earlier, you heard Cardi and Noble describing weinstey
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  Speaker 1: sex assault on her in a majestic hotel in France.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: You know, it just never ends with this guy. And
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: in the last hours there's going to be questions why
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  Speaker 1: has it taken victims so long to come forward? You
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: know what, That's a good question, and that is a
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  Speaker 1: question that the girars are going to ask. It's such
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: a good question that I would fight that question before
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it came into the girars minds. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: to you, Askey Wilcott, we have under the law what
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  Speaker 1: is called outcry, an outcry witness That means did your
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: rape victim tell someone immediately, be it a friend, a doctor,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a nurse, the emergency room, a boyfriend, her mom, a roommate, anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Why because that adds credibility to their rape claim, because
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: there's going to be questions. Under our constitution, you have
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a right to cross examination, to confront your witness as
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a sixth amendment, confront your accuser and test them, test
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: their veracity, their truthfulness. That's what they're going to ask
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the victims, Ashley, what took you so long to come forward? Absolutely,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And so there are a couple of points here. First
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of all, it's amazing to me, Nancy, how many kids
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: are victims of sexual abuse and the outcry, which is correct,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: there should be an outcry. But then as soon as
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: a child turns eighteen and quote unquote becomes an adult,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: at least the state of Georgia, then they do start
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: picking apart the victim and saying, how is she dressed,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: how many men is she had sex with? What is
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: she doing to encourage the behavior? That's the wrong approach.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: These are victims, they're victims that victims should never be shamed.
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  Speaker 1: They should always be believed, unless their credibility and veracity
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  Speaker 1: is destroyed at trial, like you've just suggested as possible
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  Speaker 1: by asking all those questions. In this particular case, remember
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  Speaker 1: that victims are embarrassed, they're ashamed. It is a mental
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  Speaker 1: challenge after being a victim to think clearly and rationally
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  Speaker 1: and say I need to come forward. I was raped yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: That's not how it works generally, and so victims often
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: don't come forward until later. And then there's an empowerment
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  Speaker 1: if you hear that somebody says, oh, I came forward
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  Speaker 1: because I was raped by this man who's very powerful
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  Speaker 1: in Hollywood, then they're empowered to say, wow, it happened
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  Speaker 1: to me too. Maybe I need to put all my
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: trauma aside and come forward as well. I think that
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the state, Doctor Bethany's got to do some repair in
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: it's opening statement and state upfront, you will hear evidence.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: It can't just be what the prosecutor thinks. It got
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to be about the evidence. You will hear evidence that
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: these victims did not come forward because they thought it
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  Speaker 1: would end their career, that never be in another movie again.
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  Speaker 1: They would be destroyed, and we're going to bring evidence
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  Speaker 1: that some victims careers were destroyed. Thank Ashley Judd. According
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: to what we've been told, Doctor Bethany, they've got to
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: put this fire out before it starts raging. In that courtroom.
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  Speaker 1: But also they have to paint a picture that being
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: sexually involved with another person is very intimate. It involves
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: intimate emotions and experiences that even victims find it difficult
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  Speaker 1: to expose. So maybe the victim goes into the hotel
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  Speaker 1: room with a history of having been aggressed upon by
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  Speaker 1: other people in their lives, so they believe it's normal
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to be aggressed upon, so they capitulate to the aggressor.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe they go into it maybe feeling admired or
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: flattered that a powerful, wealthy older man is showing them
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  Speaker 1: attention until it all goes wrong and it turns into
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a rape scene, but they remember that little sliver of
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  Speaker 1: time when at first it was tittilating, or maybe even
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: though they didn't want to be raped, they experienced some
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: kind of sexual arousal temporarily. So all things well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about, Bethany Marshall, because well,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just listening to that model, going no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: she did not sound, as you say, tittilated to me
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: with me. Karen Smith, forensics expert, Karen, there's really unless
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: you've got a like a a Monica Lewinsky blue dress
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  Speaker 1: saved in a plastic bag somewhere. I don't know what
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: physical evidence you could use to prove these cases. There's
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: not a lot. We're talking, you know, sometimes decades have
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: gone by, so there's not going to be any physical
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: EVI and Senny forensics to prove or disprove the allegations.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It's just the veracity of the victim at this point.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, like the attorney said, this is strength
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  Speaker 1: in numbers. You know, when you have a victim that
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: comes forward immediately, I can collect the clothing, I can
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: collect samples from you know, her body when we go
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to the rape crisis center, under her fingernails and we
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: take swabs, and it's you know what, it's a second
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: traumatic incident for these women to go through that yet again.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: They've been victimized once. Now they have to go to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: a rape crisis center and essentially get victimized again. I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: shine lights on them, you know, I have to take photographs.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It's another intimate issue when we go there. I've held
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: their hands, I've talked to them while they're crying, and
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you know what, this just it incenses me to hear
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  Speaker 1: that the victims are are put on posts to prove
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  Speaker 1: that this happened to them, and unfortunately, the forensics just
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: aren't going to be there for some of these cases.
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  Speaker 1: All the women are climbing their careers, they were afraid
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: their careers would stall or end. Some of them did
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: have a career stall or end. That's what Ashley Jed
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: says happened to her. She battled through it and did
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: not give into Weinstein. And it is still a concern
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: with claims right now. To doctor Bethany Marshall, I mean,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: women will be attacked or harassed and they don't say
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: anything because they think they may lose their job, right,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and then some women are attacked and harassed and they
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: do lose their job, like with Harvey Weinstein. So what
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I think is so incredible about this is you know
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that rapists are divided into very specific typologies, and one
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: typology is the power rapist, the one who has a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: personality disorder, takes a hold of the victim, rapes the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: victim without any regard for what's going on in the
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: victim's mind. It's not that there's a vendetta or necessarily
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: even that is driven by sexual desire, but it's driven
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  Speaker 1: by the ability to have power over the victim, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: there's no empathy. And this kind of offender relates to
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: people in that particular way in every aspect of their lives.
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  Speaker 1: So just like he cuckolded, as one of the actresses said,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: he says, look, don't embarrass me. He shames, he beseeches,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: he pleads, he does everything possible to get his way,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and the offending type pattern is the same with each
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of these women. Now he's acting it out through his attorneys.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy grace Well, one of Weinstein's defense attorney,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: says she plans to show that though he's made mistakes,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: he is not a criminal. I am not the moral
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: police on Harvey Weinstein. That's not my job. It's not
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the jury's job either. If they really look at the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: evidence it's going to be presented to them, I think
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: they're going to find him at guilty. It's still unclear
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: whether Weinstein plans to testify, the sixty seven year old
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: telling CNN. Since becoming the first focus of the Me
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Too movement, he's been in therapy, calling the past two
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: years grueling and a great opportunity for self reflection, refusing
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: to say whether he feels empathy for the dozens of accusers.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's very important for them to get closure
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and for them really to have their day in court.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: But the me Too movement will be here regardless of
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: what happens with this trial, and Weinstein faces a maximum
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: of life in prison if convicted. If he's found not guilty,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Weinstein tells CNN he hopes to do something positive, focus
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: on his children, and possibly rebuild a career in the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: movie industry. You are hearing our friend Marcy Gonzalez at
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: ABC's GMA Welcome Back, I'm me and c Grace. This
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Harvey Weinstein's sex assault case is finally
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: going to trial with two victims to testify in front
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: of the jury, plus similar transaction victims. Thank to you,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Dave Mac. How many women are going to testify, How
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: many victims and how many similar transactions for women are
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: scheduled to testify? Who all have similar cases that maybe
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: couldn't be presented because the statute of limitations had gone out,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: But they're going to be able to share their stories.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And each one of these stories is very, very similar.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein had an mo and all of these women.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: If you just look at the cases over eighty women
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: have already come forward, and that's what we're going to
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: hear in this court case. That's why having four women
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: testify pretty much that he did the same thing to
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: them that he's being accused of by Mimi Hille and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: this other woman, the jury is going to have to
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: see the similarities. You know, Nancy, when we look at
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the raw numbers associated with the Harvey Weinstein case, you're
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: talking over eighty women, many of them still anonymous, but
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: still have made legitimate complaints against Harvey Weinstein. But it
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: boils down to a select few that they can actually
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: bring to trial. And in this particular case, we started
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: out with three, two of them Lucia Evans and Mimi
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Hilla and another anonymous. Well, Lucia Evans case was thrown out,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and now it's Mimi Hilla and this one other anonymous woman.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: There will be many more that come to watch the trial.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: They call themselves the silence Breakers. It was actually Times
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Person of the Year in twenty seventeen. Three of the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: silence breakers that are going to be in the trial
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: every day watching Kaitlyn Delaney, Katherine Kendall, and Larissa Golms.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Each one of them has a complaint against Harvey Weinstein.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Whether they will actually have their day in court remains
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to be seen, but they will be there to be
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: supportive of women like Mimi Jilla and the others who
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: have yet to put their names out there yet for
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: their own reasons to point out that this has got
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to stop. Well, another thing that's going to happen, Doctor
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall will renounce, like co analyst out of Beverly
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. They this is
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: going to attack the victims and drag them through the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: mud and make it make out that they're lying. What
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: do you expect to happen, doctor Bethany, Well, see, what
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: happens with victims is that sometimes they will capitulate to
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the perpetrator and then sometimes they will resist. So Harvey
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Weinstein probably groomed his victims over time before he sexually
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: assaulted them. And so with each victim, there's going to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: be plenty of evidence that could point to the fact
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: that it was consensual or they were going along with him,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: but they didn't know what they were going along with.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: They didn't know where this would lead. And Nancy Harvey
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Weinstein on the walker. Did you see that? It reminds
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: me of Michael Jackson. You remember when he showed up
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: to court all disheveled and said he was in his
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: pajamas and he had been bitten by a spider. You
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: covered that extensive leader. I've forgotten the part where he
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: claimed he was bitten by a spider. I'm so glad
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: you reminded me of that. Go ahead. It was a
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: spidey bite. And you know, I remember on your show
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: at the time talking about the fact that these perpetrators,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: they will perpetrate, perpetrate perpetrator. They'll go on for years,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: they will get everybody to clude with them, but when
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: they finally are brought to justice, they fall apart. It's
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: a very typical thing. Now, they may be pretending to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: fall apart more than they really are. I don't know.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I know he's had back surgery. But they're great and
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: happy when they're in power and everybody else's being subjucated
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to their evil ways. But when the worm turns and
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the judge and society is in power, then they begin
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to decompensate and fall apart. So they want us to
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: believe that all the women are lying. Thank to you,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Dave Matt, what's the latest of Weinstein? Nancy. In a
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: shocking turn of events, shortly after the first day of
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein's New York sex crimes trial concluded, the Los
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Angeles County District Attorney Jackie Lacy announced that Weinstein has
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: been charged with raping one woman and sexually assaulting another
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in separate incidents over a two day period in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand thirteen. Harvey Weinstein charged with one felony count each
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: of forcible rape, forcible oral copulation, sexual penetration by use
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: of force, and sexual battery by restraint. An arrayment will
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: be scheduled for a later date. The details are this.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: On February eighteenth, twenty thirteen, Harvey Weinstein allegedly went to
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a hotel and raped a woman after pushing his way
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: inside her room. The next night, Harvey Weinstein is accused
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: of sexually assaulting a woman at a hotel suite in
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. Prosecutors are recommending bail be set at five
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: million dollars. If convicted, Harvey Weinstein faces up to twenty
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: eight years in state prison. We wait as justice unfolds.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Nancy Gray crime story signing off good bye friend,