Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 451: Rut Fresh Radio 9/8/21 - Four Dead Bucks
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired Hunt's Rout Fresh Radio. I am spent
- 0:04Speaker 1: a new war and joining me is Mark Kenyon. Mark,
- 0:08Speaker 1: you are now back home in Michigan, but you are
- 0:12Speaker 1: fresh off a trip. How did that trip go? And
- 0:14Speaker 1: give me a rundown of the Dear activity that you saw. Yeah, yeah,
- 0:18Speaker 1: so fresh off of public land hunt out in Idaho
- 0:21Speaker 1: chasing white tails out there. Uh, you know, I will
- 0:26Speaker 1: save I'm not gonna tell you whether I killed or
- 0:28Speaker 1: not because the main episode I think next week will
- 0:31Speaker 1: be all about that, So I'll leave a little bit
- 0:33Speaker 1: of drama out there for people, but I will tell
- 0:37Speaker 1: you that it was a good hunt. We had quite
- 0:39Speaker 1: a bit of activity despite a lot of hunting pressure. Um,
- 0:44Speaker 1: we're we're in Dear every night, just about every night,
- 0:46Speaker 1: so um, it was interesting, a lot of interesting stories
- 0:49Speaker 1: to share there. And uh, you know, I guess the
- 0:52Speaker 1: theme of these episodes right is recapping what we saw
- 0:56Speaker 1: and what we're expecting. So I can tell you that
- 0:59Speaker 1: I was hunt that first week of September, and the
- 1:03Speaker 1: biggest thing I noticed, Spencer was time of movement. Um,
- 1:08Speaker 1: we had temperatures, you know, in the evenings ranging from
- 1:12Speaker 1: like mid seventies to mid eighties, and even in spots
- 1:16Speaker 1: where I actually thought we could get away from hunting pressure,
- 1:20Speaker 1: and when it was cooling down in the evenings and
- 1:22Speaker 1: shady way back in the cover, I was thinking, Mann,
- 1:26Speaker 1: I bet you two hours before dayly, but they'll be
- 1:29Speaker 1: moving here. I mean, we were tight in the betting
- 1:31Speaker 1: are kind of stuff. And even then our movement super early, Um,
- 1:36Speaker 1: it was almost to a t, you know, the last
- 1:40Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, last twenty minutes. Maybe I think there was
- 1:44Speaker 1: one night that I saw stuff, you know, forty five
- 1:48Speaker 1: minutes before dark, but but really it was an absolute
- 1:50Speaker 1: last hour, last half hour of daylight kind of thing,
- 1:53Speaker 1: zero movement until the very end of the day. Um.
- 1:57Speaker 1: And so that was something that was noticeable. And then
- 2:00Speaker 1: I did hunt some mornings, and those mornings it was
- 2:03Speaker 1: kind of the opposite. It was. It was morning activity
- 2:07Speaker 1: for that first hour hour and a half. Maybe it
- 2:09Speaker 1: was a little bit later in the mornings we saw
- 2:10Speaker 1: some movement, but again I was hunting really far away
- 2:13Speaker 1: from the food sources, way back in the cover, so
- 2:16Speaker 1: it took a while for those deer to get back
- 2:18Speaker 1: to me. UM. So as far as activity, that's that's
- 2:21Speaker 1: what I was seeing there in Idaho temperatures, like I said,
- 2:24Speaker 1: where we're right around average for this time of year.
- 2:26Speaker 1: So there was no big fronts, you know, like we
- 2:27Speaker 1: talked about last week. It was a kind of a
- 2:29Speaker 1: standard week of weather across the lot of the country,
- 2:32Speaker 1: and that's what experienced. It was. It was no big fronts,
- 2:35Speaker 1: it was no big precipitation precipitation events, just kind of
- 2:39Speaker 1: average temperatures and I would say average activity. We saw
- 2:42Speaker 1: a deer every night. There was never a time when
- 2:44Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, that's the best night
- 2:46Speaker 1: I've ever seen. At the same point, there was never
- 2:48Speaker 1: days where we were wondering, why are there no deer here?
- 2:51Speaker 1: It was kind of what you expect in early September,
- 2:54Speaker 1: moving on food sources, um. And then mostly it was
- 2:57Speaker 1: it was trying to just backtrack. These are closer and
- 3:00Speaker 1: closer to their betting years because of because of hunting pressure.
- 3:03Speaker 1: So that was that was my high level overview. Without
- 3:06Speaker 1: giving away too many details, I'd say activity was in
- 3:09Speaker 1: that like five five kind of range. Um. I guess
- 3:13Speaker 1: that's kind of like what I predicted last week, right, Yeah,
- 3:15Speaker 1: I think so, um, And and I wish you would
- 3:18Speaker 1: give me more details. On the hunt. But I'm gonna
- 3:20Speaker 1: let you off the hook this week, Mark, Um, because
- 3:23Speaker 1: we have a really exciting episode and we have multiple
- 3:26Speaker 1: We have multiple firsts on this episode of rout Fresh.
- 3:29Speaker 1: Are you ready? What do you mean? My first cameras here? Okay?
- 3:33Speaker 1: The first first that we have is we have our
- 3:35Speaker 1: first ever rout report from Canada, which comes to us
- 3:40Speaker 1: from Clay Newcombe. The other first that we have is,
- 3:44Speaker 1: for the first time ever in rout Fresh history, all
- 3:47Speaker 1: four of the people that we interview this week were
- 3:50Speaker 1: successful in their hunts. So that's why, um, I think
- 3:55Speaker 1: the meat of this episode is going to be as
- 3:57Speaker 1: good as name we've had because we have four successful
- 3:59Speaker 1: deer hunters. Is on nice. So what you're saying is
- 4:01Speaker 1: that we shouldn't ramble on too long. We should just
- 4:03Speaker 1: get into the real, fresh, exciting reports. That's right, I
- 4:07Speaker 1: think so. And who are you going to hear from
- 4:08Speaker 1: this week? Is Clay Nucome like we just talked about that,
- 4:11Speaker 1: you know, from the Mediator podcast and Very Grease podcast
- 4:14Speaker 1: in Manitoba. And then Dylan Tramp from South Dakota, whose
- 4:17Speaker 1: content you can read on Wired Haunt's website. And then
- 4:21Speaker 1: Mark Haslem from Southeast Whitetail dot Com in South Carolina
- 4:24Speaker 1: and then we end in Nebraska with Tyler Jones from
- 4:26Speaker 1: The element Alright, cool, well, I'm excited to hear these.
- 4:30Speaker 1: I I have one more question and then I'll stop badgering. Okay,
- 4:34Speaker 1: when when is your first white tail hunt? Are you
- 4:38Speaker 1: going anywhere? September? You gonnahit South Dakota here soon? Or
- 4:40Speaker 1: what's what's going on? My season is gonna be a
- 4:43Speaker 1: little bit delayed. Um. I'm gonna do my best, which
- 4:47Speaker 1: is not very good at killing elk here in September,
- 4:50Speaker 1: and then I have in animal punt in October, and
- 4:52Speaker 1: then I I'm stacking like four hunts in like a
- 4:56Speaker 1: six week period between the beginning of November, um and
- 5:01Speaker 1: the beginning of December. So my reports are going to
- 5:05Speaker 1: be a bit delayed this year. All right, man, Well,
- 5:09Speaker 1: you get after those elk, get that off your minds,
- 5:13Speaker 1: kill the antelope, check that box, and then get back
- 5:16Speaker 1: to the white tech. That's right. Uh. And then some
- 5:19Speaker 1: reading materials this week, um, if if you want more
- 5:23Speaker 1: than just what you're gonna get on this episode, we
- 5:25Speaker 1: have a couple of articles for hunters that are in
- 5:27Speaker 1: the woods, right now where to find bucks after they
- 5:30Speaker 1: shed Velvet from Dylan Tramp and then how volume hunting
- 5:34Speaker 1: could save your season from Andy May. And then if
- 5:36Speaker 1: you don't have an opener anytime, seem and say you're
- 5:39Speaker 1: in a state like Michigan or Illinois and you're still
- 5:43Speaker 1: about a month out from being in the woods, some
- 5:45Speaker 1: offseason content be from Tony Hanson four tools every bow
- 5:49Speaker 1: Hunter shadown, and then the best way to get bucks
- 5:52Speaker 1: on trail cam without bait, an article that you wrote
- 5:55Speaker 1: last year, Mark Kennan. You can find those articles just
- 5:57Speaker 1: like last week in the description of the episode. A
- 6:00Speaker 1: click over there, and you're gonna get more relevant stuff
- 6:03Speaker 1: for this time of year. Beautiful. I gotta tell you, Spencer,
- 6:06Speaker 1: I read that article by Tony Hanson about the four
- 6:08Speaker 1: tools every bow hunter should owned, and I felt really
- 6:11Speaker 1: bad because I only owned one out of the four. Yeah,
- 6:16Speaker 1: I'm sure I can guess which one it was. You
- 6:19Speaker 1: own a set of valen Ranches. Yes, okay, all right,
- 6:23Speaker 1: we'll skip on over to that article if you want
- 6:25Speaker 1: to find out the three things that Mark doesn't own
- 6:27Speaker 1: in the four things that you should own. Alright, Spencer,
- 6:31Speaker 1: it sounds like a good plan. We'll talk to you
- 6:33Speaker 1: next week. Man looking forward to alright and joining us
- 6:39Speaker 1: on the line. First, it's Clay Nucom, who you know
- 6:41Speaker 1: from Meat Eater and the Bear Grease podcast. Who was
- 6:44Speaker 1: hunting in Manitoba. Now, Clay in Manitoba, what would you
- 6:47Speaker 1: say the buck activity has been lately on a scale
- 6:49Speaker 1: of one to ten. So I've been in Manitoba for
- 6:53Speaker 1: the last six days and I would rank it as
- 6:57Speaker 1: a seven. We had no trouble seeing mature deer every day,
- 7:05Speaker 1: but we were at an advantage in Manitoba where we're
- 7:09Speaker 1: at in that you can see a long distance. You
- 7:11Speaker 1: can see a long ways because we're hunting out falfa
- 7:14Speaker 1: fields and oat fields and wheat fields, and so you know,
- 7:18Speaker 1: you see deer from a long ways off. So the
- 7:20Speaker 1: deer we're moving, but the bigger deer typically we're not
- 7:25Speaker 1: moving until the last thirty minutes of daylight on either
- 7:29Speaker 1: side in the morning and in the evening. So you
- 7:33Speaker 1: know we saw there, but they certainly were not moving
- 7:37Speaker 1: all day. It was just kind of your typical early
- 7:40Speaker 1: season feeding patterns. And you killed the buck a couple
- 7:43Speaker 1: of days ago. Tell us about that set up. Why
- 7:45Speaker 1: the deer we're traveling through that area, and why you
- 7:48Speaker 1: were on that spot. There's a seventy acre patch of
- 7:52Speaker 1: actri culture that typically is all in our falfa. This
- 7:56Speaker 1: year about sixty acres of it was in oats and
- 8:00Speaker 1: ten acres was in alfalfa, and they eat the oats,
- 8:04Speaker 1: which it's not They weren't eating the grass from the
- 8:08Speaker 1: you know, like the green part of the oats. These
- 8:09Speaker 1: were dry oats that were about to be harvested, and
- 8:12Speaker 1: they're actually eating the seed heads of these oats, but
- 8:15Speaker 1: they preferred the alfalfa. So there was only ten acres
- 8:19Speaker 1: of alfalfa, and it was kind of tucked back in
- 8:21Speaker 1: this little pocket. And in the morning time we couldn't
- 8:25Speaker 1: get on the alfalfa because we spooked deer. But they
- 8:29Speaker 1: had a peculiar exit route where these deer were traveling
- 8:33Speaker 1: about a half mile through open country and coming right
- 8:38Speaker 1: past a little neck of woods and it was an
- 8:41Speaker 1: obscure place, but just historical patterns, we just knew the
- 8:45Speaker 1: deer cross there and it's really easy to get in.
- 8:48Speaker 1: You don't bump any there, you come up in a tree,
- 8:50Speaker 1: you think, what the heck am I doing here? And
- 8:52Speaker 1: then as soon as it gets daylight, you you see
- 8:54Speaker 1: deer coming towards you. Typically, you know, some percentage of
- 8:58Speaker 1: the time that's the exit route they used some percentage
- 9:00Speaker 1: of the time. You don't see deer at all from there.
- 9:03Speaker 1: But um, the two mornings we hunted it, we had
- 9:07Speaker 1: bucks and bow range just after legal light. And basically
- 9:12Speaker 1: the second time we hunted in there, I had a
- 9:14Speaker 1: deer come by that that I watched for several hundred
- 9:17Speaker 1: yards and he came right into bow range coming off
- 9:20Speaker 1: of alf Alpha. Now, how did your morning setups differ
- 9:23Speaker 1: from your evening setups? Very different in that where where
- 9:28Speaker 1: we were hunting, we could not get on the food
- 9:31Speaker 1: in the morning without bumping deer, and so in in
- 9:34Speaker 1: the evening time we were right on the food. We
- 9:36Speaker 1: were basically playing the wind is to imagine a rectangular
- 9:39Speaker 1: field ten acres, and the deer were where they came
- 9:47Speaker 1: into the field was a gamble. It could be many
- 9:50Speaker 1: different places, but we would hunt the most favorable side.
- 9:53Speaker 1: We were using tree sticks and saddles, and then we
- 9:56Speaker 1: actually eventually we're setting in a box stand that was
- 10:00Speaker 1: on the property set up for rifle hunting. Because we
- 10:03Speaker 1: watched deer feed within bow range of it all one evening,
- 10:07Speaker 1: so we were flipping from end to end um hunting
- 10:11Speaker 1: this field. And uh, we never that strategy never came
- 10:16Speaker 1: to fruition because as we ended up killing one in
- 10:18Speaker 1: the morning off the field as they were going back
- 10:21Speaker 1: to bedding from the food source. But so we were
- 10:24Speaker 1: on the food in the evening and then hunting travel
- 10:27Speaker 1: corridors going back into bedding in the mornings. The buck
- 10:31Speaker 1: that you killed was hard horned, but one percentage of
- 10:34Speaker 1: the rest of the white tillers you were seeing, we're
- 10:36Speaker 1: still in velvet. I would say we're in velvet on
- 10:39Speaker 1: September one. That was the first day of our hunt,
- 10:43Speaker 1: was September one, and yeah, eight of ten bucks would
- 10:49Speaker 1: have had velvet. And it seemed to be like the
- 10:52Speaker 1: more mature deer were the ones that were that had
- 10:56Speaker 1: shed and we're hard horned. I would you know, we
- 11:00Speaker 1: quit hunting after we killed the deer, so we were
- 11:03Speaker 1: done hunting by September three. But I would suspect by
- 11:08Speaker 1: next week it'll probably be opposite of that. I would
- 11:12Speaker 1: imagine eight percent will be hard twenty we'll still be
- 11:18Speaker 1: in velvet. It sounds like a lot of the activity
- 11:21Speaker 1: that you were seeing, we're bachelor groups traveling together. Did
- 11:25Speaker 1: that change it all? During your six days there, did
- 11:27Speaker 1: you see those bachelor groups break up at all? Or
- 11:29Speaker 1: were they still together the same way the first day
- 11:31Speaker 1: is it was the last Okay, I saw no change
- 11:34Speaker 1: in the way they operated. But it was surprising to
- 11:36Speaker 1: you because there were there were bachelor groups of younger
- 11:41Speaker 1: deer that stuck together pretty tight. But the big deer,
- 11:45Speaker 1: he was all on his own like he One day
- 11:49Speaker 1: we watched him walk a half mile across an open
- 11:52Speaker 1: field by himself to come into the alfalfa to meet
- 11:56Speaker 1: a younger bachelor group of deer. Um we also would
- 12:00Speaker 1: see the odd just young two year old buck off
- 12:04Speaker 1: by himself that would come into the alfalfa. So it's
- 12:08Speaker 1: kind of like they congregated all night together and then
- 12:11Speaker 1: four or five or six my bed together. But the
- 12:15Speaker 1: odd one would just spike out by himself and and
- 12:18Speaker 1: and not be with that group for the majority of
- 12:21Speaker 1: the day. So they were kind of broke up more
- 12:23Speaker 1: than I anticipated they would be going forward. Then in
- 12:27Speaker 1: the six week or so, what do you think that
- 12:28Speaker 1: Bucket TV is going to be on a skill of
- 12:30Speaker 1: one to ten in Manitoba? I think it'll I think
- 12:34Speaker 1: it'll maintain in that seven range of what I said.
- 12:38Speaker 1: It's just gonna keep getting cooler. That there are crops
- 12:42Speaker 1: being harvested right now that is affecting deer movement. But
- 12:47Speaker 1: the green, the green stuff is gonna be good. Um,
- 12:51Speaker 1: probably even more after the frost with the with the
- 12:54Speaker 1: green stuff that's cold tolerant like wheat mouth alpha. Um.
- 13:00Speaker 1: But uh, I think it's gonna be I think it's
- 13:02Speaker 1: gonna continue to be really good, especially in the next
- 13:05Speaker 1: week before the bachelor groups really break up. I think
- 13:10Speaker 1: after about septem through about October fifteenth, October up there,
- 13:18Speaker 1: it gets a little bit harder, but right now they're
- 13:20Speaker 1: just really predictable on these kind of late summer patterns,
- 13:24Speaker 1: you know, So I next week would be a fantastic
- 13:26Speaker 1: week up there, I think. Alright, Clay, congrats on the
- 13:29Speaker 1: successful hunt. Thanks for joining me in. Good luck with
- 13:31Speaker 1: the rest of your fall. Thanks Spencer, appreciate it alright
- 13:36Speaker 1: and joining us on the line. Next is Dylan Tramp
- 13:39Speaker 1: whose articles you can read on why You're hunt, Who's
- 13:42Speaker 1: hunting in South Dakota? Now, Dylan in South Dakota, what
- 13:45Speaker 1: would you say the buck activity is ben lately. On
- 13:47Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten, scale of one to ten,
- 13:50Speaker 1: I think I think we're still hanging on to about
- 13:52Speaker 1: an eight. The bucks are kind of the bucks that
- 13:55Speaker 1: are unpressured, I should say, are kind of sticking to
- 13:58Speaker 1: their summer feeding patterns and are definitely still moving that
- 14:00Speaker 1: last hour of light. So I think we're a solid
- 14:02Speaker 1: eight still. Now, back on August, you wrote an article
- 14:07Speaker 1: for Wire to Haunt that was about how to kill
- 14:09Speaker 1: a white tail buck on opening day. You did not
- 14:13Speaker 1: kill a buck on opening day this year, but you
- 14:15Speaker 1: killed a buck on the second day of the season.
- 14:17Speaker 1: Tell us about that haunt and how that went down. Um, well, yeah,
- 14:20Speaker 1: just a little bit of summer scouting. Went in new play,
- 14:23Speaker 1: but knew his general area and had a really good idea.
- 14:28Speaker 1: Didn't have confirmation on his betting, but I knew within
- 14:31Speaker 1: a hunter yard radius roughly where his betting would be,
- 14:35Speaker 1: so I slipped in between the betting and his food source.
- 14:37Speaker 1: On day one season evening hunt and I had an encounter,
- 14:42Speaker 1: but the wind got a little swirly, set up pleasant
- 14:44Speaker 1: perfect and he busted me, but returned two hours later,
- 14:48Speaker 1: so he wasn't overly spooped. So I just I knew
- 14:52Speaker 1: where he was going to end up the next day,
- 14:53Speaker 1: hopefully and then that he wouldn't shift his pattern too dramatically.
- 14:57Speaker 1: And about fifteen minutes prior to dark he shows up
- 15:03Speaker 1: right on script and stuck in arrow in him. Now,
- 15:07Speaker 1: it was clearly no accident that you were in that
- 15:09Speaker 1: area hunting that specific buck. Tell us about the scouting
- 15:13Speaker 1: that went into that and the kind of encounters that
- 15:16Speaker 1: you had leading into opening day. Yeah, I started my
- 15:19Speaker 1: white tail scouting here in the Black Hills of South
- 15:21Speaker 1: Dakota mid July. I don't remember the days, but just
- 15:26Speaker 1: check my usual areas, did some glass thing, did some
- 15:29Speaker 1: looking from the roads, and then stomped around a few
- 15:31Speaker 1: new areas that that looked like they had potential. Saw
- 15:35Speaker 1: this guy, kicked him out of his bed about eleven o'clock. Um,
- 15:39Speaker 1: knew right exactly where he was betting that day, and
- 15:42Speaker 1: he ran to a different piece of flour service and
- 15:47Speaker 1: kind of adjusted his betting area, but he was still
- 15:49Speaker 1: within two yards there. And then I would say six
- 15:53Speaker 1: seven times throughout the month of July into August, some
- 15:58Speaker 1: eating in the same creek drainage and had a mode
- 16:03Speaker 1: pasture on some private and then a bunch of oaks
- 16:07Speaker 1: that I think they were targeting, and they were feeding
- 16:09Speaker 1: in the grasses, been hitting the oaks. I don't know
- 16:13Speaker 1: if the acorns from last year or if it was
- 16:15Speaker 1: new newly fallen oaks, but for acorns, but he was
- 16:19Speaker 1: pretty consistent there, so I knew roughly betting, and I
- 16:22Speaker 1: knew pretty precisely feed in the evening, so at a
- 16:27Speaker 1: pretty full picture on what to do for opening day.
- 16:30Speaker 1: The buck that you killed was hard horned. But what
- 16:33Speaker 1: percentage of other white tails that you were seeing We're
- 16:35Speaker 1: still in velvet um, I think as soon as the
- 16:39Speaker 1: season started September one, I don't know that I've seen
- 16:42Speaker 1: a single puck in the hills on the hoof in
- 16:46Speaker 1: Velvet anymore. So I think nineties some percent are definitely
- 16:50Speaker 1: hard horned right now. How about with bachelor groups? How
- 16:53Speaker 1: many white tail bucks were you seeing that we're still
- 16:56Speaker 1: hanging out with other white tail box I would say
- 16:59Speaker 1: that every buck that I had been targeting and watching
- 17:02Speaker 1: over the summer was still hanging out with this bachelor
- 17:04Speaker 1: group I do just a few days ago. Now, what
- 17:07Speaker 1: other food sources besides the mode pasture that you were
- 17:11Speaker 1: kind of hunting do you think are relevant right now
- 17:13Speaker 1: in the Black Hills? From what I'm seeing just doing
- 17:17Speaker 1: continue scouting for family, They're they're still hitting grasses, but
- 17:22Speaker 1: any kind of bushes that are any kind of greenery
- 17:26Speaker 1: that's kind of starting to change, appears to be pretty
- 17:28Speaker 1: palatable right now because they're hanging out and kind of
- 17:31Speaker 1: that north facing heavily vegetated brush they're they're like in
- 17:34Speaker 1: that right now on top of the grass. And do
- 17:37Speaker 1: you notice those beds or food patterns change as we
- 17:40Speaker 1: get into October in the Black Hills or does it
- 17:42Speaker 1: largely stay the same is what you're seeing in September.
- 17:45Speaker 1: I think these deer, since they're such big foragers, I
- 17:48Speaker 1: think their food sources are pretty consistent. So I would
- 17:51Speaker 1: expect that pattern to continue and then maybe once all
- 17:55Speaker 1: the leaves have fallen, and then to probably probably be
- 17:58Speaker 1: exclusively than maybe some make corns from here and there.
- 18:03Speaker 1: But I think the patterns stays pretty consistent as far
- 18:06Speaker 1: as what they're feeding, and it's more or less dictated
- 18:08Speaker 1: by hunting pressure going forward. Then in the next week
- 18:11Speaker 1: or so, what do you think that buck activity is
- 18:13Speaker 1: going to be On a scale of one to ten
- 18:15Speaker 1: in South Dakota. In South Dakota in general, I would
- 18:18Speaker 1: say we're still hanging onto a seven. Buck patterns will
- 18:21Speaker 1: still stay consistent here for maybe another week or so
- 18:24Speaker 1: until bachelor groups are breaking up and bucks are kind
- 18:27Speaker 1: of establishing their new uh, their new pecking order and
- 18:31Speaker 1: kind of their new little core area. So I think
- 18:33Speaker 1: we'll still be at a seven. All right, Dylan, congrats
- 18:36Speaker 1: again on the awesome buck. Thanks for joining me, and
- 18:38Speaker 1: good luck with the rest of your fall. Thank you
- 18:40Speaker 1: you too, alright and joining us online. Next is Mark
- 18:44Speaker 1: Haslum from Southeast Whitetail dot Com in South Carolina. Now
- 18:48Speaker 1: Mark in South Carolina, what would you say the buck
- 18:51Speaker 1: activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten? Spencer,
- 18:55Speaker 1: I would say the past week in South Carolina, buck
- 18:58Speaker 1: activity has probably been them are around the three and
- 19:01Speaker 1: somewhere around the three to four scale. Um Um, it
- 19:08Speaker 1: was a lot higher when the season opened AUGUSTUM. We
- 19:12Speaker 1: see a lot more mature bucks still on that summer pattern,
- 19:15Speaker 1: but it's almost like clockworks. At about the third fourth
- 19:18Speaker 1: week in August, UM, they start to slow down coming
- 19:22Speaker 1: out in daylight hours, UH, start to shift out that
- 19:25Speaker 1: summer pattern and at the time that fourth week in
- 19:29Speaker 1: August rolls around, velvets starting to peel for most bucks,
- 19:33Speaker 1: and um, they are decreasing daylight act activity. And where
- 19:39Speaker 1: now that low period between velvet season and pre ruts. Well, Mark,
- 19:44Speaker 1: you just killed a great buck in South Carolina. Tell
- 19:46Speaker 1: us about that set up, why you were in that area,
- 19:48Speaker 1: and why that buck was in that specific area. So
- 19:52Speaker 1: yesterday morning that that hunt worked out. I can honestly
- 19:55Speaker 1: say it worked out exactly how I had mapped out
- 19:58Speaker 1: in my head the night before, or waking up at
- 20:00Speaker 1: four am typically doesn't doesn't work that way. It hadn't
- 20:04Speaker 1: worked that way all seasons since the opener. Since the opener,
- 20:07Speaker 1: I've been hunting over um foods horses, destination foods horses
- 20:11Speaker 1: since then. Since since we're in that low period, what
- 20:15Speaker 1: I decided to do is set up outside a good
- 20:19Speaker 1: bedding site that I know where bucks traditionally bed. It's
- 20:23Speaker 1: a clear cut on the edge of a Carolina bay.
- 20:25Speaker 1: It's about four years it was clear kind about four
- 20:28Speaker 1: years ago replanted and it's very thick and dense, and
- 20:31Speaker 1: it's it's tall enough to shade out the sun and
- 20:34Speaker 1: maturity or will bed in there. Uh, during the heat
- 20:38Speaker 1: of summer. So I knew traditionally they bed in this area,
- 20:42Speaker 1: and um, you know, being in a long period right now,
- 20:46Speaker 1: you don't really know when you don't know how often
- 20:50Speaker 1: bucks are going to get up and move early enough
- 20:53Speaker 1: in the evenings to possibly get on them. I don't
- 20:56Speaker 1: know if they're gonna move, you know, three or four
- 20:58Speaker 1: days a week or But what I do know is
- 21:02Speaker 1: the temperature is the lowest temperatures you're gonna have every
- 21:04Speaker 1: single day at night. And so bucks they might not
- 21:08Speaker 1: get up, they might not start moving before the sun
- 21:10Speaker 1: goes down, but they're gonna be at out the middle
- 21:13Speaker 1: of the the night. Unless it's less as a trenial downpourse
- 21:15Speaker 1: and heavy fog, they're gonna be feeding all night and
- 21:18Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna book it back to make it
- 21:21Speaker 1: make it to their bedding right before uh first light.
- 21:24Speaker 1: So I went in about an hour before uh sunrise
- 21:28Speaker 1: got set up in about twenty five year old pine
- 21:31Speaker 1: stand that had been thinned several times, had been burnt,
- 21:35Speaker 1: so it was good open woods for me to be
- 21:37Speaker 1: able to see uh, you know, two and three hundred
- 21:40Speaker 1: yards any which direction. But with that, with that T. S.
- 21:44Speaker 1: I work, um, the vegetations a foot the three ft
- 21:48Speaker 1: tall severe feel comfortable in it. And I was about
- 21:52Speaker 1: a couple of hundred yards from that bedding site that
- 21:54Speaker 1: I know bucks traditionally that ind and it happened. Happened
- 21:59Speaker 1: how I vision um. I think first flight was at
- 22:02Speaker 1: sixty eight and I think I shot by six fifty five.
- 22:07Speaker 1: I had three bucks that came in small bachelor group.
- 22:11Speaker 1: The buck I shot it looked like a two year old,
- 22:13Speaker 1: and then a spike that was behind it. They were
- 22:15Speaker 1: all hard horned and they were going right back to
- 22:19Speaker 1: betting right the first life. I know you've had a
- 22:21Speaker 1: lot of success in the past hunting mornings in early season.
- 22:25Speaker 1: I feel like you have a different mindset when it
- 22:27Speaker 1: comes to those setups than other hunters. Tell us about
- 22:31Speaker 1: what you like about hunting mornings in August and September.
- 22:35Speaker 1: What I like about hunting mornings is is is can
- 22:40Speaker 1: it could? It will continue on. What I just said
- 22:43Speaker 1: is that the coolest people people that hung up with temperatures.
- 22:46Speaker 1: The coolest part of every single day is gonna be overnight.
- 22:49Speaker 1: And so, like I said, bucks might not get up
- 22:52Speaker 1: and start might not start moving to like two am.
- 22:54Speaker 1: But they're gonna be feeding, moving around all night. Um.
- 22:58Speaker 1: And then I had a lot of success climbing and
- 23:02Speaker 1: being mobile outside betting. Um. You know, if you can
- 23:07Speaker 1: get on some bots around the opening, you can catch
- 23:09Speaker 1: them on that summer schedule. But I feel like pretty
- 23:12Speaker 1: quickly mature bucks. You know, everyone in South Carolina's not
- 23:16Speaker 1: is not hunting that early. But what happens is, and
- 23:19Speaker 1: I think some hunters don't don't really connect the dots,
- 23:22Speaker 1: is that Um, the full season hunting either either sucks
- 23:27Speaker 1: opens up September, but most people are hunting late late
- 23:30Speaker 1: September or at least the first October, when like pre
- 23:33Speaker 1: rutting rout starts kickles. So this time of year on September,
- 23:37Speaker 1: hunters might not be out there taking the woods on
- 23:40Speaker 1: the stand, but they're doing um proper work. They're planning
- 23:44Speaker 1: food plots, running trail cameras, hanging stands, trimming, trimming roads,
- 23:48Speaker 1: bush holg and so there. Their presence is there right now,
- 23:53Speaker 1: and um, deer pick up on that. And so um,
- 23:58Speaker 1: the most of the sex success I've had early season
- 24:01Speaker 1: has been climbing and being noble. And you've got to
- 24:05Speaker 1: see as far as wind because in the in the
- 24:08Speaker 1: With the warmer temperatures we have down here in the south,
- 24:13Speaker 1: wind can swirl and it can be very very inconsistent
- 24:15Speaker 1: unless we have a cold front. But if you can
- 24:18Speaker 1: get tight on bedding with good wind, you can catch
- 24:22Speaker 1: box and moving back right there at first light. Um,
- 24:25Speaker 1: and it's gonna be about the first thirty minutes. And
- 24:27Speaker 1: that's really gonna be about it. It's given me very quick.
- 24:30Speaker 1: But um, if you if you try to be too
- 24:34Speaker 1: aggressive and hunt that way in the evenings, you're probably
- 24:38Speaker 1: gonna blow the area out because you're gonna have a
- 24:40Speaker 1: lot of a ton of doves and a ton of
- 24:42Speaker 1: young bucks that are gonna wind you and U are
- 24:46Speaker 1: gonna blow them the shirt box out that aren't moving
- 24:48Speaker 1: that early. What food sources do you think are relevant
- 24:51Speaker 1: for white tail hunters right now in that part of
- 24:53Speaker 1: the country. Peanuts, soybeans are killer. Corn. Corn is good
- 24:59Speaker 1: as well. Oh, it depends on you know, if it's
- 25:02Speaker 1: if it's farm corn, they probably you know, they're not
- 25:05Speaker 1: gonna cut it. They're not gonna bush bush hall shooting
- 25:08Speaker 1: lanes points is me very tight. Most of the corn
- 25:10Speaker 1: has already been harvested because we've got some dry weather
- 25:14Speaker 1: and the corn is dry enough, but soybeans and peanuts
- 25:17Speaker 1: right now are killer um. What I've noticed is not
- 25:21Speaker 1: many mature bucks have been coming out almost egg fields
- 25:25Speaker 1: um in the evenings and until late. So it's see
- 25:29Speaker 1: what I've been focusing on, and what I focused on
- 25:32Speaker 1: yesterday and the morning for that hunt was the food
- 25:34Speaker 1: source in the timber um. And as I meant before,
- 25:38Speaker 1: if you hunt on ground the southeast, whether you know
- 25:40Speaker 1: the poppy owner or maybe see public land, or you
- 25:44Speaker 1: know the timber company if they're doing any kind of
- 25:47Speaker 1: timber stand improvement, if there, if the pine trees have
- 25:50Speaker 1: reached at least fifteen years or more, it's probably ready
- 25:54Speaker 1: for a first Then if they've been thin, if they've
- 25:56Speaker 1: been burned, if you don't have food plots or fields,
- 26:00Speaker 1: take a look at that native vegetation. Take a look
- 26:02Speaker 1: at the briars, American beauty berry, all those plants. Take
- 26:08Speaker 1: a look at them, watch them, look for Brown's line,
- 26:11Speaker 1: and look for that native vegetation. Because with all this
- 26:14Speaker 1: killer rain we've had all summer, there are so much green,
- 26:18Speaker 1: very tender, succulent plants out there where Dear, they're they're
- 26:22Speaker 1: gonna hit those areas from bedding and going to those
- 26:26Speaker 1: destination food sources that are wide open fields that they're
- 26:29Speaker 1: probably not gonna hit until later in the evenings going forward,
- 26:33Speaker 1: Then in the sext week or so, what do you
- 26:34Speaker 1: think that bucket activity is going to be on a
- 26:36Speaker 1: scale of one to ten in South Carolina? It will
- 26:39Speaker 1: begin spencer to slow slowly pick up This upcoming week
- 26:43Speaker 1: could be a five, maybe maybe push into a six. Um.
- 26:47Speaker 1: I'm still seeing some bucks in bachelor groups will start
- 26:52Speaker 1: to see um a lot more separating selves. UM. I
- 26:57Speaker 1: saw a good amount of scrapes and some fresh rubs.
- 26:59Speaker 1: I didn't do too much walk in the woods because
- 27:01Speaker 1: I don't want to blow the woods up. UM. But
- 27:04Speaker 1: our pre run is going to start kicking off in
- 27:07Speaker 1: about week the week three and week four September. UM.
- 27:11Speaker 1: I had two young bucks that were sparring Saturday morning
- 27:15Speaker 1: and I will routinely get them um and some sparring
- 27:19Speaker 1: light life fighting um that third fourth week in September.
- 27:23Speaker 1: So bucks are gonna be out. They're gonna be hitting
- 27:25Speaker 1: those community uh signposts, making their making their presence known, socializing,
- 27:32Speaker 1: establishing and making sure they know that dominant buck hierarchy
- 27:38Speaker 1: and we're gonna start seeing more and more buck activity
- 27:40Speaker 1: taking place, and they're gonna start show up back on
- 27:43Speaker 1: this destination food sourceness um. In about two to two
- 27:47Speaker 1: to three weeks towards end of September, these mature bucks
- 27:51Speaker 1: and I start showing up in these fields of food plants,
- 27:54Speaker 1: making them presence known, showing themselves, making sign and um
- 27:59Speaker 1: as a repairs and he got testosterone players and they're
- 28:02Speaker 1: we're on the cusp of that first heat cycle. All right, Mark,
- 28:06Speaker 1: great intel, great buck, Thanks for joining me, and good
- 28:09Speaker 1: luck with the rest of your fall. Thanks Spencer, good
- 28:12Speaker 1: luck in the season, all right, and joining us on
- 28:16Speaker 1: the line. Last is Tyler Jones from The Element, who
- 28:19Speaker 1: was hunting in Nebraska. Now, Tyler in Nebraska, what would
- 28:22Speaker 1: you say the buck activity is ben lately? On a
- 28:24Speaker 1: skill of one to ten, probably a five um. There
- 28:28Speaker 1: was times when deer or bucks in particular, we're moving
- 28:33Speaker 1: kind of late in the morning, which may be due
- 28:35Speaker 1: to cool weather. And then there were times in the
- 28:37Speaker 1: evenings where I saw the air moving pretty late as well.
- 28:40Speaker 1: Now I know you just had a successful hunting. There
- 28:42Speaker 1: was a great buck that you killed. Tell us about
- 28:44Speaker 1: that setup. Why you were in that spot and why
- 28:46Speaker 1: that buck was in that spot? Sure, um so you know,
- 28:51Speaker 1: for one, the buck was in that spot because it
- 28:54Speaker 1: was very remote, um and hard to get to. I
- 28:57Speaker 1: don't try to he man it to my but I
- 29:00Speaker 1: do like to, um kind of observe the situation. As
- 29:04Speaker 1: we got later in the hunt, I started seeing that
- 29:06Speaker 1: uh bucks uh in particular, and deer were kind of
- 29:10Speaker 1: scarce um near near the roads. A lot of that
- 29:13Speaker 1: stuff was getting hit. There was quite a few people
- 29:16Speaker 1: out there in the area hunting and um, so I
- 29:20Speaker 1: think that I just decided, well, as it gets later
- 29:23Speaker 1: in the hunt, you gotta you know, you don't have
- 29:25Speaker 1: an opportunity to kill a deer um close to the
- 29:27Speaker 1: roads as easily. So ended up going back into a
- 29:30Speaker 1: remote section that had was pretty steep. Really. That was
- 29:33Speaker 1: another thing, you know. Um. And then on top of that,
- 29:37Speaker 1: the deer movement was somewhat predictable due to crop fields
- 29:41Speaker 1: that were several hundred yards away as well. What were
- 29:45Speaker 1: the crop fields that you were focused on on that hunt?
- 29:48Speaker 1: You know, I actually never saw the what I assumed
- 29:52Speaker 1: was corn, but um, it was on a pivot and
- 29:56Speaker 1: it seemed like, according to on xit was corn in
- 30:00Speaker 1: the past, um in the last year that being, and
- 30:04Speaker 1: so I assumed it was corn. It also looked different
- 30:07Speaker 1: color on the map than the other two uh small
- 30:10Speaker 1: pivots that I was seeing, and those were milo which
- 30:13Speaker 1: I've seen in the past hunt Nebraska last couple of years.
- 30:16Speaker 1: That they will definitely use that milow. I don't know
- 30:18Speaker 1: if they're eating it a bunch this time of year necessarily,
- 30:20Speaker 1: but they're in it a lot because it's covered and
- 30:23Speaker 1: um something about just agriculture and areas where there's not
- 30:27Speaker 1: a lot of it. It's just like something for them
- 30:29Speaker 1: to move to at night, whether it's highly preferential or not.
- 30:33Speaker 1: So how far off of the food? So the worse
- 30:35Speaker 1: were you actually hunting a little over a hundred yards
- 30:37Speaker 1: from the milo? The corn though, was probably closer to
- 30:41Speaker 1: a half mile away. And that's when I saw uh
- 30:45Speaker 1: that evening and I shot the buck. I saw two bucks,
- 30:48Speaker 1: actually shot the smaller of the two that i'd seen,
- 30:50Speaker 1: but they were probably forty five minutes apart, and neither
- 30:53Speaker 1: one of them really appeared to be heading to the mile.
- 30:55Speaker 1: They were in the direction headed to the direction of
- 30:57Speaker 1: the corn. But that was about as close as I
- 31:00Speaker 1: could get. I didn't want to get super close to
- 31:01Speaker 1: the fence line because I don't want to shoot a
- 31:03Speaker 1: deer that runs on to private really and have to
- 31:05Speaker 1: deal with all that. So that's probably a half mile
- 31:08Speaker 1: from the corner. So now, the buck that you killed
- 31:12Speaker 1: was hard horned. But what percentage of the other white
- 31:14Speaker 1: tails you were seeing were in velvet versus not in velvet?
- 31:19Speaker 1: Anything over a year and a half um or what
- 31:22Speaker 1: I assumed was a year and a half old was
- 31:25Speaker 1: hard horned. Pretty much everything we saw. Um, we saw
- 31:28Speaker 1: a really good deer in the headlights one night as
- 31:30Speaker 1: we were driving in the first night actually was driving in,
- 31:32Speaker 1: getting really close. I saw a big eleven point he
- 31:35Speaker 1: was hard horned. And then everything which we didn't see
- 31:38Speaker 1: a ton of bucks. UM. I don't know if they've
- 31:40Speaker 1: been hit with the HD or not. I hadn't heard
- 31:42Speaker 1: any reports really from that area, and it seemed like
- 31:46Speaker 1: Nebraska didn't get hit as hard with drought this year,
- 31:49Speaker 1: um overall as some of the other states up there.
- 31:51Speaker 1: But um, I did have a buddy that was hunting
- 31:55Speaker 1: in the area that sent me a picture of a
- 31:57Speaker 1: velvet buck that was dead in near a swamp. UM.
- 32:02Speaker 1: So kind of assumed HD, but maybe not. I don't
- 32:05Speaker 1: want to be a spearmonger, but um, everything other than
- 32:10Speaker 1: a little kind of innkers were pretty much hard horned.
- 32:13Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised. Actually were a lot of
- 32:15Speaker 1: the bucks that you were seeing in bachelor groups. No,
- 32:18Speaker 1: it's kind of the same thing. Um there was. It
- 32:20Speaker 1: was probably some of the biggest bucks that I saw most,
- 32:24Speaker 1: it's not all. The biggest bucks that I saw were
- 32:26Speaker 1: pretty much in a loner state. Um. The smaller bucks
- 32:31Speaker 1: seemed to be a little bit more batched. I hunted
- 32:33Speaker 1: um a spot that had five bucks in the area. Um,
- 32:37Speaker 1: three of them ran together, and they were all like
- 32:40Speaker 1: four keys or spikes pretty much. And then the other
- 32:44Speaker 1: two that ran together were two looked like eight points
- 32:47Speaker 1: that were kind of basket eights. Um dear that I
- 32:50Speaker 1: probably would have shot. But um, there's a good chance
- 32:53Speaker 1: that they were related of some sort. But outside of that,
- 32:57Speaker 1: everything that we saw it looked like it was three
- 32:59Speaker 1: years or older seem to be um already broken up
- 33:02Speaker 1: from their bachelor status. Now, traditionally a lot of hunters
- 33:07Speaker 1: aren't hunting the mornings this time of year, But I
- 33:09Speaker 1: assumed Tyler, since you were traveling out of state and
- 33:11Speaker 1: you had a limited timeline that you guys were hunting
- 33:14Speaker 1: some mornings. Is that the case and what did those
- 33:16Speaker 1: setups look like? That is the case? Um. So we
- 33:20Speaker 1: we got rained out one morning, and not that we're
- 33:23Speaker 1: afraid to hunt the rain, but we had to rential
- 33:25Speaker 1: down for for four hours and in thirty or forty
- 33:28Speaker 1: mile winds and we just got soaked all night in
- 33:30Speaker 1: a tent. So we decided to sleep in one morning. UM.
- 33:34Speaker 1: But we tried to hunt as many mornings as possible. UM.
- 33:39Speaker 1: Because this time of year, I think that it can
- 33:41Speaker 1: be good. UM, because there's cooler weather. You'll get a
- 33:44Speaker 1: lot of bucks that will move later in the morning,
- 33:46Speaker 1: I feel like personally, and if you can get close
- 33:49Speaker 1: to what you assume is betting, um, you can have
- 33:52Speaker 1: deer come in at eight thirty or nine, nine thirty.
- 33:54Speaker 1: Even sometimes if it's cooler morning, you had a co
- 33:57Speaker 1: front come through. So we were focusing in kind of
- 34:01Speaker 1: we hunted a lot of more open country, UM, some
- 34:04Speaker 1: timber stuff. You know, with that tag, we can move
- 34:06Speaker 1: pretty much all over the state, and we did move
- 34:08Speaker 1: quite a bit, but UM and the open stuff, we
- 34:11Speaker 1: were focusing more on uh, you know, stuff in the
- 34:14Speaker 1: bottom of draws or around lakes or ponds UM that
- 34:20Speaker 1: had willows around it, and also just high vegetation because
- 34:24Speaker 1: of the um because it has water near, you know.
- 34:28Speaker 1: And so you get these little pockets that have these
- 34:31Speaker 1: um really tall sunflowers and golden rod and all kinds
- 34:35Speaker 1: of different willows and stuff like that. UM and it
- 34:37Speaker 1: really I mean, especially in like a small young will thicket.
- 34:40Speaker 1: Those you are getting a lot of shade during the
- 34:42Speaker 1: day as much as they need. Really they've got water there,
- 34:45Speaker 1: and then they can move out to hay meadows or
- 34:47Speaker 1: whatever at night. And so we were focusing in the
- 34:50Speaker 1: mornings on those little kind of islands or habitat pockets
- 34:55Speaker 1: near lakes or ponds or you know, cattle tanks or whatever.
- 35:00Speaker 1: Going forward, Then in this next week or so, what
- 35:01Speaker 1: do you think that buck activity is going to be
- 35:03Speaker 1: on the scale of one to ten in Nebraska. I
- 35:06Speaker 1: think it's going to depend on the weather a little bit.
- 35:08Speaker 1: And I, uh, kind of have unplugged from the weather
- 35:10Speaker 1: out there, so I'm not sure what that looks like.
- 35:12Speaker 1: But I would assume if the weather stays pretty stable
- 35:14Speaker 1: to what it's been, which was kind of low to
- 35:17Speaker 1: mid eighties. Um, I would assume that it just continues
- 35:21Speaker 1: to uh uh pick up. The deer that I shot
- 35:26Speaker 1: actually had some um little flakes of you know, tree
- 35:30Speaker 1: barking his in his bases and all the birds and
- 35:33Speaker 1: stuff like, not just that he had rubbed the velvet off,
- 35:36Speaker 1: but that he had actually been rubbing a tree as well,
- 35:39Speaker 1: just kind of that elevated testosterone is what gets them
- 35:41Speaker 1: out of velvet and then eventually, you know, that just
- 35:44Speaker 1: continues to rise. Um. I can see that being the case.
- 35:47Speaker 1: I can see the cool weather and the changing of
- 35:49Speaker 1: the season, and the grass is turning different colors and stuff,
- 35:53Speaker 1: so different things are coming into preference for the food
- 35:56Speaker 1: and everything. And I would assume it would stay really
- 35:58Speaker 1: in that five or six rain one to ten, but
- 36:02Speaker 1: it could be really focused with all the pressure they've
- 36:04Speaker 1: had in the first week, so you might get sign
- 36:06Speaker 1: a pocket and really get into some bucks. All right,
- 36:08Speaker 1: Tyler Will, congrats again on the great buck, Thanks for
- 36:11Speaker 1: joining me, and good luck with the rest of your fall.
- 36:13Speaker 1: Thanks a bunch, Spinster, thanks for having me on again, man,
- 36:16Speaker 1: And that concludes this week's episode of rut Fresh Radio.
- 36:19Speaker 1: Thanks to Clay Dylan, Mark and Tyler for joining me,
- 36:22Speaker 1: and thank you guys for listening. Like I mentioned earlier,
- 36:25Speaker 1: there are some reading assignments in the description of the
- 36:28Speaker 1: episode on topics like where to find bucks after they
- 36:31Speaker 1: shed velvet, how volume hunting could save your season, four
- 36:34Speaker 1: tools every bow hunter shodown, and the best way to
- 36:37Speaker 1: get bucks on trail cam without bait. There's some really
- 36:41Speaker 1: good articles for some really good hunters, and I think
- 36:44Speaker 1: anybody who likes white Tail will find value in that content.
- 36:47Speaker 1: I hope you give me a read before our next episode,
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