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Ep156 - Beyond the Surface - Self-Image, Success & the Power of Purpose – with Michelle Ackerley · The Billionaire Brain® Podcast

• 0:02
  Hey,
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  it's
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  Dawn
• 0:02
  McGrewer,
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  the
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  business
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  growth
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  coach
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  and
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  welcome
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  to
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  dawn
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  of
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  a
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  New
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  Era,
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  the
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  podcast
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  where
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  we
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  talk
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  all
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  things
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  health,
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  wealth
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  and
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  happiness
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  and
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  where
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  founders
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  share
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  the
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  good
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  and
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  bad
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  and
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  ugly
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  of
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  being
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  an
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  entrepreneur.
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  So
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  welcome,
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  Michelle,
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  to
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  Dawn
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  of
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  a
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  New
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  Era,
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  the
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  podcast.
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  And
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  honestly,
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  I
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  feel
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  like
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  we've
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  already
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  been
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  chatting
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  so
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  much,
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  like
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  this
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  is
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  just
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  an
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  extension
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  of
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  our.
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  This
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  is
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  it.
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  We've
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  got
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  a
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  comfy
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  seat,
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  we're
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  good
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  to
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  go.
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  So
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  we've
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  just
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  had
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  a
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  little
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  sit
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  outside
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  in
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  the
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  sunshine,
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  which
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  was
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  beautiful,
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  and
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  had
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  a
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  little
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  catch
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  up.
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  So
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  we're
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  actually
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  from
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  same
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  area
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  in
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  Cheshire,
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  but
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  this
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  is
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  the
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  first
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  time
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  we
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  meet
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  in
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  person.
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  So
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  thank
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  you
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  for
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  coming
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  on
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  the
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  podcast
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  because
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  we've
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  got
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  so
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  many
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  commonalities
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  friends,
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  contacts.
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  But
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  also
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  you
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  started
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  off
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  studying
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  psychology
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  just
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  like
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  me.
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  And
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  what
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  I
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  would
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  love
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  to
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  know
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  is,
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  obviously
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  many
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  people
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  will
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  know
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  you
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  now
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  from
• 0:52
  Morning
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  Live,
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  Crime
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  Watch,
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  you
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  know,
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  seeing
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  you
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  on
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  TV
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  and
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  probably
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  from
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  radio
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  as
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  well.
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  How
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  did
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  your
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  career
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  start?
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  How
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  did
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  it
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  all
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  begin?
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  And
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  how
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  did
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  you
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  get
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  into
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  radio
• 1:02
  and
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  tv?
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  So
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  I
• 1:03
  studied
• 1:04
  psychology
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  at
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  Manchester
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  University,
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  but
• 1:07
  even
• 1:07
  going
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  before
• 1:08
  that,
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  my
• 1:10
  mum
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  was
• 1:11
  a
• 1:11
  life
• 1:11
  coach,
• 1:12
  my
• 1:13
  grandfather
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  was
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  from
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  Ghana
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  and
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  was
• 1:15
  part
• 1:15
  of
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  a
• 1:16
  tribe
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  where
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  they
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  had
• 1:18
  a
• 1:18
  chiefhood.
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  And
• 1:19
  the
• 1:19
  chiefhood
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  always
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  used
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  to
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  go
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  down
• 1:20
  to
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  the
• 1:21
  youngest
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  son,
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  which
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  was
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  my
• 1:22
  grandfather
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  at
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  the
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  time.
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  And
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  the
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  kind
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  of
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  role
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  within
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  the
• 1:25
  chiefhood
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  was
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  to
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  be
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  that
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  main
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  communicator.
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  So
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  you
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  really
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  had
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  to
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  understand,
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  understand
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  human
• 1:30
  behavior.
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  You
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  had
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  to
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  be
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  able
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  to
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  connect
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  with
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  people
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  and
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  bring
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  a
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  community
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  together
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  essentially.
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  And
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  I
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  really
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  do
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  feel
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  that
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  those
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  elements
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  almost
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  kind
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  of
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  were
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  passed
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  to
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  my
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  mum
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  and
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  through
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  me,
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  you
• 1:43
  know,
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  and
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  the
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  three
• 1:44
  of
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  us
• 1:44
  used
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  to
• 1:44
  get
• 1:44
  together
• 1:45
  and
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  have
• 1:45
  conversations.
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  It
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  was
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  just
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  this
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  real
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  special,
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  almost
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  magical
• 1:50
  feeling.
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  And
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  for
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  me,
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  growing
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  up
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  and
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  kind
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  of
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  going
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  through
• 1:53
  studies,
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  I
• 1:54
  thought,
• 1:54
  how
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  can
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  I
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  capture
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  that?
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  How
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  can
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  I
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  almost
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  format
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  it
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  and
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  make
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  it
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  into
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  something
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  tangible
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  for
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  a
• 2:00
  career?
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  So
• 2:02
  I
• 2:02
  did
• 2:02
  psychology
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  at
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  a
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  level
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  at
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  school
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  and
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  I
• 2:04
  thought
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  actually
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  this,
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  there's
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  so
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  much
• 2:05
  in
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  it.
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  I
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  mean,
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  as
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  you
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  know
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  yourself,
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  this,
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  there's
• 2:08
  so
• 2:08
  much
• 2:09
  involved
• 2:09
  in
• 2:09
  psychology.
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  And
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  particularly
• 2:10
  for
• 2:10
  me,
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  the,
• 2:11
  the
• 2:11
  human
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  behavior
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  side
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  of
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  things
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  was,
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  was
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  what
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  I
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  gravitated
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  towards
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  in
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  particular,
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  really
• 2:17
  understanding
• 2:18
  individual
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  differences,
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  what
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  makes
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  us
• 2:20
  tick,
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  how
• 2:20
  you
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  can
• 2:21
  actually
• 2:21
  connect
• 2:21
  with
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  people
• 2:22
  on,
• 2:22
  on
• 2:22
  a
• 2:22
  deeper
• 2:23
  level.
• 2:23
  So
• 2:24
  decided
• 2:24
  to
• 2:24
  study
• 2:25
  at
• 2:25
  university.
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  And
• 2:27
  in
• 2:27
  my
• 2:27
  second
• 2:27
  year
• 2:28
  of
• 2:28
  uni,
• 2:29
  one
• 2:29
  of
• 2:29
  my
• 2:29
  tutors
• 2:29
  at,
• 2:30
  he
• 2:31
  used
• 2:31
  to
• 2:31
  do
• 2:31
  a
• 2:31
  lot
• 2:31
  of
• 2:32
  work
• 2:32
  within
• 2:32
  the
• 2:32
  media.
• 2:33
  So
• 2:33
  back
• 2:33
  in
• 2:33
  the
• 2:33
  day
• 2:34
  when
• 2:34
  Big
• 2:34
  Brother
• 2:35
  first
• 2:35
  started
• 2:35
  and
• 2:36
  it
• 2:36
  was
• 2:36
  really
• 2:36
  seen
• 2:36
  as
• 2:36
  this
• 2:37
  social
• 2:37
  experiment.
• 2:38
  He
• 2:39
  used
• 2:39
  to
• 2:39
  go
• 2:39
  on
• 2:39
  tv,
• 2:40
  various
• 2:40
  different
• 2:41
  channels
• 2:41
  and
• 2:42
  really
• 2:42
  kind
• 2:42
  of
• 2:42
  delve
• 2:43
  into
• 2:43
  the
• 2:43
  psyche
• 2:44
  of
• 2:44
  the,
• 2:44
  you
• 2:44
  know,
• 2:44
  the
• 2:45
  personalities
• 2:45
  that
• 2:46
  were
• 2:46
  going
• 2:46
  on.
• 2:47
  And
• 2:47
  I
• 2:48
  found
• 2:48
  that
• 2:49
  really
• 2:49
  interesting,
• 2:49
  really
• 2:50
  fascinating
• 2:50
  that
• 2:50
  actually
• 2:51
  you
• 2:51
  could
• 2:51
  combine
• 2:52
  psychology
• 2:53
  with
• 2:53
  the
• 2:53
  media.
• 2:54
  And
• 2:54
  I
• 2:55
  thought
• 2:55
  this
• 2:55
  is
• 2:55
  an
• 2:55
  area
• 2:56
  that
• 2:56
  I
• 2:56
  want
• 2:56
  to
• 2:57
  explore
• 2:57
  more.
• 2:58
  So
• 2:59
  in
• 2:59
  my
• 2:59
  third
• 2:59
  year
• 3:00
  of
• 3:00
  university,
• 3:00
  I
• 3:00
  applied
• 3:01
  for
• 3:01
  a
• 3:01
  work
• 3:01
  experience
• 3:02
  placement
• 3:02
  at
• 3:02
  BBC
• 3:03
  Manchester
• 3:04
  in
• 3:04
  the
• 3:05
  entertainment
• 3:05
  department.
• 3:06
  So
• 3:06
  literally
• 3:07
  just
• 3:07
  went
• 3:07
  on
• 3:07
  the
• 3:07
  BBC
• 3:08
  website,
• 3:08
  obviously
• 3:09
  did
• 3:09
  my
• 3:09
  research
• 3:10
  on
• 3:10
  various
• 3:10
  different
• 3:11
  programs
• 3:11
  that
• 3:11
  I
• 3:11
  was
• 3:11
  interested
• 3:12
  in.
• 3:12
  I'd
• 3:13
  take
• 3:13
  down
• 3:14
  the
• 3:14
  names
• 3:14
  of
• 3:14
  the
• 3:14
  people
• 3:15
  at
• 3:15
  the
• 3:15
  credits
• 3:15
  at
• 3:15
  the
• 3:16
  end
• 3:16
  and
• 3:16
  think,
• 3:16
  okay,
• 3:17
  if
• 3:17
  that's
• 3:17
  their
• 3:18
  name,
• 3:18
  like
• 3:18
  John
• 3:19
  Smith.
• 3:19
  And
• 3:19
  I
• 3:20
  put
• 3:20
  BBC.co.uk
• 3:21
  at
• 3:22
  the
• 3:22
  end
• 3:22
  of
• 3:22
  it,
• 3:22
  maybe
• 3:22
  it'll
• 3:23
  reach
• 3:23
  them,
• 3:23
  you
• 3:23
  know,
• 3:24
  kind
• 3:24
  of
• 3:24
  trying
• 3:24
  to
• 3:24
  do
• 3:24
  a
• 3:25
  bit
• 3:25
  of
• 3:25
  like
• 3:26
  research
• 3:26
  before
• 3:26
  going
• 3:27
  into
• 3:27
  my
• 3:27
  interview.
• 3:28
  And
• 3:28
  I
• 3:28
  was
• 3:28
  successful,
• 3:29
  successful
• 3:29
  at
• 3:29
  interview.
• 3:30
  So
• 3:30
  I
• 3:30
  got
• 3:30
  a
• 3:30
  four
• 3:30
  week
• 3:31
  unpaid
• 3:31
  work
• 3:32
  experience
• 3:32
  placement
• 3:33
  at
• 3:33
  BBC
• 3:34
  Manchester
• 3:34
  in
• 3:34
  the
• 3:35
  entertainment
• 3:35
  department.
• 3:36
  And
• 3:36
  that
• 3:37
  began
• 3:37
  my
• 3:37
  journey
• 3:38
  into
• 3:38
  the
• 3:39
  industry,
• 3:39
  really.
• 3:40
  I
• 3:40
  think
• 3:40
  it's
• 3:40
  so
• 3:41
  fascinating
• 3:41
  when
• 3:42
  you
• 3:42
  think
• 3:43
  about
• 3:43
  how
• 3:43
  proactive
• 3:44
  you
• 3:44
  were.
• 3:44
  You
• 3:44
  know,
• 3:44
  so
• 3:44
  many
• 3:45
  barriers
• 3:45
  are
• 3:45
  put
• 3:45
  in
• 3:45
  front
• 3:46
  of
• 3:46
  us
• 3:46
  and
• 3:47
  it's
• 3:47
  just
• 3:47
  actually
• 3:47
  having
• 3:48
  the
• 3:48
  audacity,
• 3:48
  isn't
• 3:48
  it,
• 3:49
  to
• 3:49
  reach
• 3:49
  out
• 3:49
  and
• 3:49
  do
• 3:49
  it.
• 3:50
  And
• 3:50
  it
• 3:50
  kind
• 3:50
  of
• 3:50
  reminds
• 3:51
  me
• 3:51
  a
• 3:51
  little
• 3:51
  bit
• 3:51
  of
• 3:52
  when
• 3:52
  I
• 3:52
  did
• 3:52
  my
• 3:52
  book.
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  did
• 3:53
  the
• 3:53
  same
• 3:53
  thing.
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  just
• 3:53
  went
• 3:54
  onto
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  publisher's
• 3:56
  website,
• 3:56
  downloaded
• 3:56
  a
• 3:57
  proposal
• 3:57
  and
• 3:57
  sent
• 3:57
  it
• 3:58
  off
• 3:58
  and
• 3:58
  prayed
• 3:59
  that
• 3:59
  something
• 4:00
  would
• 4:00
  happen.
• 4:01
  So
• 4:01
  thinking
• 4:02
  about
• 4:02
  when
• 4:02
  you
• 4:02
  went
• 4:03
  into
• 4:03
  it,
• 4:03
  we
• 4:03
  all
• 4:04
  have
• 4:04
  an
• 4:04
  idea,
• 4:04
  don't
• 4:04
  we,
• 4:04
  of,
• 4:05
  you
• 4:05
  know,
• 4:05
  what
• 4:05
  careers
• 4:06
  are
• 4:06
  going
• 4:06
  to
• 4:06
  be
• 4:06
  like.
• 4:06
  And
• 4:07
  then
• 4:07
  for
• 4:07
  me
• 4:08
  again,
• 4:08
  when
• 4:08
  I
• 4:08
  was
• 4:09
  publishing,
• 4:09
  I
• 4:09
  had
• 4:10
  this
• 4:10
  kind
• 4:10
  of
• 4:10
  like,
• 4:11
  this
• 4:11
  is
• 4:11
  what
• 4:12
  it's
• 4:12
  going
• 4:12
  to
• 4:12
  do
• 4:12
  for
• 4:12
  me,
• 4:12
  this
• 4:13
  is
• 4:13
  how
• 4:13
  it's
• 4:13
  going
• 4:13
  to
• 4:13
  be.
• 4:14
  But
• 4:15
  maybe
• 4:15
  the
• 4:15
  reality
• 4:15
  wasn't
• 4:16
  quite
• 4:16
  the
• 4:16
  same.
• 4:17
  When
• 4:17
  you
• 4:17
  got
• 4:18
  into
• 4:18
  obviously
• 4:19
  radio
• 4:19
  and
• 4:19
  tv,
• 4:20
  what
• 4:20
  was
• 4:20
  that
• 4:21
  experience
• 4:21
  like?
• 4:21
  Did
• 4:22
  you
• 4:22
  come
• 4:22
  up
• 4:22
  against
• 4:23
  barriers?
• 4:24
  Was
• 4:24
  working
• 4:25
  in
• 4:25
  TV
• 4:25
  at
• 4:26
  that
• 4:26
  time
• 4:27
  easy
• 4:27
  for
• 4:27
  a
• 4:27
  woman?
• 4:28
  What
• 4:28
  was
• 4:28
  the
• 4:29
  experience
• 4:29
  like?
• 4:30
  I've
• 4:30
  done
• 4:30
  20
• 4:31
  years
• 4:31
  in
• 4:31
  telly
• 4:31
  now
• 4:31
  and
• 4:31
  it's
• 4:32
  almost
• 4:32
  in
• 4:32
  two
• 4:32
  chapters.
• 4:33
  So
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  first
• 4:34
  10
• 4:34
  years
• 4:35
  were
• 4:35
  working
• 4:35
  in
• 4:35
  production.
• 4:36
  So
• 4:36
  I
• 4:36
  started
• 4:36
  off
• 4:36
  as
• 4:37
  work
• 4:37
  experience
• 4:37
  and
• 4:37
  work
• 4:38
  runner,
• 4:38
  researcher,
• 4:38
  assistant
• 4:39
  producer,
• 4:39
  producer,
• 4:40
  up
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  ranks,
• 4:41
  as
• 4:41
  it
• 4:41
  were.
• 4:42
  And
• 4:42
  then
• 4:43
  the
• 4:43
  last
• 4:43
  10
• 4:43
  years
• 4:44
  to
• 4:44
  date
• 4:44
  have
• 4:44
  been
• 4:45
  in
• 4:45
  front
• 4:45
  of
• 4:45
  the
• 4:45
  camera
• 4:46
  as
• 4:46
  a
• 4:46
  presenter.
• 4:47
  So
• 4:47
  it's
• 4:47
  kind
• 4:48
  of
• 4:48
  almost
• 4:48
  been.
• 4:49
  There's
• 4:49
  things
• 4:49
  that
• 4:50
  are
• 4:50
  definitely
• 4:50
  fluid
• 4:51
  between
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  two,
• 4:52
  especially
• 4:52
  as
• 4:52
  a
• 4:53
  woman
• 4:53
  working
• 4:53
  in
• 4:54
  an
• 4:54
  industry,
• 4:55
  the
• 4:55
  media
• 4:56
  industry.
• 4:57
  When
• 4:57
  I
• 4:57
  very
• 4:58
  first
• 4:58
  started,
• 4:59
  I
• 4:59
  didn't
• 4:59
  know
• 4:59
  at
• 5:00
  the
• 5:00
  Time.
• 5:00
  Although
• 5:01
  my
• 5:01
  dad
• 5:01
  used
• 5:01
  to
• 5:01
  say
• 5:01
  to
• 5:02
  me
• 5:02
  a
• 5:02
  lot,
• 5:02
  I
• 5:02
  didn't
• 5:02
  know
• 5:02
  at
• 5:02
  the
• 5:03
  time
• 5:03
  that
• 5:03
  presenting
• 5:04
  in
• 5:04
  front
• 5:04
  of
• 5:04
  the
• 5:04
  camera
• 5:05
  was
• 5:05
  going
• 5:05
  to
• 5:06
  be
• 5:06
  that
• 5:07
  the
• 5:07
  place
• 5:07
  where
• 5:07
  I
• 5:07
  would
• 5:08
  end
• 5:08
  up.
• 5:09
  When
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  first
• 5:09
  started,
• 5:10
  I
• 5:10
  was
• 5:10
  like
• 5:10
  a
• 5:10
  sponge
• 5:11
  and
• 5:11
  I
• 5:11
  was
• 5:12
  taking
• 5:12
  it
• 5:12
  all
• 5:12
  in.
• 5:13
  And
• 5:13
  again,
• 5:13
  I
• 5:14
  think
• 5:14
  this
• 5:14
  probably
• 5:14
  comes
• 5:15
  especially
• 5:15
  from
• 5:16
  my
• 5:16
  mum,
• 5:16
  born
• 5:17
  and
• 5:17
  bred
• 5:17
  in
• 5:17
  Manchester
• 5:17
  and
• 5:18
  just
• 5:18
  doesn't
• 5:18
  take
• 5:18
  any
• 5:19
  nonsense.
• 5:19
  She'd
• 5:19
  be
• 5:20
  like,
• 5:20
  getting
• 5:20
  in
• 5:21
  there
• 5:21
  and
• 5:21
  you're
• 5:21
  working
• 5:22
  hard
• 5:22
  and
• 5:22
  you're
• 5:22
  getting
• 5:23
  on
• 5:23
  with
• 5:23
  that,
• 5:23
  like,
• 5:23
  right,
• 5:24
  okay.
• 5:24
  I
• 5:25
  remember
• 5:25
  walking
• 5:25
  in
• 5:26
  on
• 5:26
  one
• 5:26
  of
• 5:26
  my
• 5:27
  first
• 5:27
  days
• 5:28
  and
• 5:28
  feeling
• 5:29
  very
• 5:29
  overwhelmed
• 5:30
  because,
• 5:30
  you
• 5:31
  know,
• 5:31
  you'd
• 5:31
  see
• 5:32
  celebrities
• 5:33
  walking
• 5:33
  around
• 5:33
  the
• 5:33
  corridor
• 5:34
  and,
• 5:35
  you
• 5:35
  know,
• 5:35
  big
• 5:36
  BBC
• 5:36
  bosses
• 5:37
  and
• 5:37
  it's
• 5:37
  just
• 5:38
  me
• 5:38
  that's
• 5:38
  almost
• 5:39
  trying
• 5:39
  to
• 5:40
  like,
• 5:40
  you
• 5:40
  get
• 5:40
  this
• 5:41
  imposter
• 5:41
  syndrome,
• 5:42
  thinking,
• 5:42
  how
• 5:42
  am
• 5:42
  I
• 5:42
  going
• 5:42
  to
• 5:43
  convince
• 5:43
  these
• 5:43
  people
• 5:43
  that
• 5:44
  I've
• 5:44
  got
• 5:44
  what
• 5:44
  it
• 5:44
  takes?
• 5:44
  I
• 5:44
  don't
• 5:45
  even
• 5:45
  know
• 5:45
  what
• 5:45
  I've
• 5:45
  got
• 5:45
  because
• 5:46
  I'm
• 5:46
  day
• 5:46
  one,
• 5:47
  what
• 5:47
  am
• 5:47
  I
• 5:47
  doing?
• 5:48
  But
• 5:48
  I
• 5:48
  remember
• 5:49
  seeing
• 5:49
  everybody
• 5:50
  walking
• 5:50
  around
• 5:50
  the
• 5:51
  corridors
• 5:51
  and
• 5:51
  they
• 5:51
  had
• 5:52
  their
• 5:52
  little
• 5:52
  ID
• 5:53
  passes,
• 5:53
  a
• 5:54
  BBC
• 5:54
  pass.
• 5:55
  And
• 5:55
  mine
• 5:55
  at
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  time
• 5:55
  was
• 5:56
  a
• 5:56
  visitor's
• 5:56
  pass,
• 5:57
  work
• 5:57
  experience,
• 5:57
  four
• 5:58
  week
• 5:58
  pass.
• 5:58
  And
• 5:58
  I'd
• 5:59
  look
• 5:59
  around,
• 5:59
  I
• 6:00
  think
• 6:00
  I
• 6:00
  want
• 6:00
  one
• 6:00
  of
• 6:01
  those.
• 6:01
  It
• 6:01
  was
• 6:02
  almost
• 6:02
  for
• 6:02
  me,
• 6:02
  like,
• 6:02
  I've
• 6:02
  got
• 6:03
  to
• 6:03
  take
• 6:03
  everything
• 6:04
  step
• 6:04
  by
• 6:04
  step.
• 6:05
  What's
• 6:05
  my
• 6:05
  goal
• 6:05
  to
• 6:05
  get
• 6:06
  to
• 6:06
  this
• 6:06
  next
• 6:07
  point?
• 6:07
  The
• 6:07
  thing
• 6:08
  first
• 6:08
  and
• 6:08
  foremost
• 6:09
  for
• 6:09
  me,
• 6:09
  for
• 6:09
  all
• 6:09
  the
• 6:09
  anxieties,
• 6:10
  for
• 6:10
  all
• 6:10
  the
• 6:11
  overwhelm
• 6:12
  and
• 6:12
  thinking,
• 6:12
  how
• 6:13
  am
• 6:13
  I
• 6:13
  going
• 6:13
  to
• 6:13
  fit
• 6:14
  in
• 6:14
  here?
• 6:14
  Especially
• 6:14
  as
• 6:15
  a
• 6:15
  mixed
• 6:15
  race
• 6:16
  young
• 6:17
  woman
• 6:17
  within
• 6:17
  an
• 6:18
  industry,
• 6:18
  which
• 6:18
  I
• 6:19
  didn't
• 6:19
  see
• 6:19
  a
• 6:20
  lot
• 6:20
  of,
• 6:20
  especially
• 6:21
  at
• 6:21
  that
• 6:21
  time,
• 6:22
  to
• 6:22
  early
• 6:23
  2000s
• 6:24
  for
• 6:24
  me,
• 6:24
  I
• 6:24
  just
• 6:25
  kept
• 6:25
  going
• 6:25
  back
• 6:25
  to
• 6:25
  that
• 6:26
  baseline
• 6:26
  of
• 6:26
  I'm
• 6:27
  gonna
• 6:27
  work
• 6:27
  really
• 6:28
  hard
• 6:28
  here,
• 6:28
  I'm
• 6:29
  gonna
• 6:29
  learn
• 6:29
  as
• 6:29
  much
• 6:29
  as
• 6:30
  I
• 6:30
  can
• 6:30
  possibly
• 6:31
  learn.
• 6:31
  I
• 6:31
  was
• 6:32
  working
• 6:32
  on
• 6:32
  a
• 6:32
  documentary
• 6:33
  at
• 6:33
  the
• 6:33
  time
• 6:34
  and
• 6:34
  I'm
• 6:35
  going
• 6:35
  to
• 6:35
  use
• 6:36
  this
• 6:36
  time
• 6:36
  to
• 6:37
  try
• 6:37
  and
• 6:37
  really
• 6:37
  make
• 6:38
  some
• 6:38
  strong
• 6:38
  connections.
• 6:39
  Going
• 6:39
  back
• 6:40
  to
• 6:40
  the
• 6:40
  psychology.
• 6:41
  I
• 6:41
  want
• 6:41
  to
• 6:41
  understand
• 6:42
  the
• 6:42
  people
• 6:42
  that
• 6:42
  I'm
• 6:42
  working
• 6:43
  with,
• 6:43
  tap
• 6:44
  into
• 6:44
  their
• 6:44
  behavior,
• 6:45
  see
• 6:46
  how
• 6:46
  we
• 6:46
  can
• 6:46
  connect.
• 6:48
  Because
• 6:48
  especially
• 6:48
  in
• 6:49
  tv,
• 6:49
  you
• 6:49
  work
• 6:49
  with
• 6:49
  a
• 6:49
  lot
• 6:49
  of
• 6:49
  different
• 6:50
  personalities,
• 6:51
  a
• 6:51
  lot
• 6:51
  of
• 6:51
  different
• 6:51
  egos.
• 6:52
  And
• 6:52
  it's
• 6:53
  about
• 6:53
  trying
• 6:53
  to
• 6:54
  kind
• 6:54
  of
• 6:54
  get
• 6:54
  under
• 6:54
  the
• 6:55
  surface
• 6:55
  of
• 6:55
  that.
• 6:56
  So
• 6:56
  in
• 6:57
  some
• 6:57
  elements
• 6:57
  it
• 6:57
  was,
• 6:57
  I
• 6:58
  was
• 6:58
  taking
• 6:58
  away,
• 6:59
  not
• 6:59
  taking
• 6:59
  away
• 6:59
  from
• 7:00
  myself
• 7:00
  in
• 7:00
  a
• 7:00
  negative
• 7:01
  way,
• 7:01
  but
• 7:01
  focusing
• 7:02
  on
• 7:02
  other
• 7:02
  people
• 7:02
  and
• 7:03
  how
• 7:03
  I
• 7:03
  can
• 7:04
  understand
• 7:05
  them
• 7:05
  more
• 7:05
  to,
• 7:06
  to
• 7:06
  create
• 7:06
  a
• 7:06
  position
• 7:07
  within
• 7:07
  this
• 7:08
  industry
• 7:08
  which
• 7:09
  was
• 7:09
  at
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  time
• 7:10
  quite
• 7:10
  alien
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  me.
• 7:12
  So
• 7:12
  for
• 7:12
  me,
• 7:13
  that
• 7:13
  was
• 7:13
  the
• 7:13
  first
• 7:14
  kind
• 7:14
  of
• 7:14
  barrier
• 7:14
  that
• 7:15
  I
• 7:15
  was
• 7:15
  trying
• 7:15
  to
• 7:16
  break,
• 7:16
  have
• 7:16
  the
• 7:17
  confidence
• 7:17
  to
• 7:17
  feel
• 7:17
  like
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  can
• 7:18
  be
• 7:18
  rooted
• 7:18
  in
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  space
• 7:19
  through
• 7:19
  working
• 7:20
  hard.
• 7:21
  And
• 7:21
  for
• 7:21
  me,
• 7:21
  throughout
• 7:22
  my
• 7:22
  career,
• 7:22
  that
• 7:22
  has
• 7:23
  always
• 7:23
  been
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  benchmark.
• 7:24
  If
• 7:24
  you're
• 7:24
  going
• 7:24
  into
• 7:24
  any
• 7:25
  space,
• 7:25
  if
• 7:25
  you've
• 7:25
  done
• 7:25
  your
• 7:26
  research,
• 7:26
  you've
• 7:27
  prepared,
• 7:29
  especially
• 7:29
  with
• 7:29
  live
• 7:30
  tv,
• 7:30
  there's
• 7:30
  always.
• 7:30
  And
• 7:31
  in
• 7:31
  life,
• 7:31
  there's
• 7:32
  always
• 7:32
  going
• 7:32
  to
• 7:32
  be
• 7:32
  elements
• 7:32
  that
• 7:33
  you
• 7:33
  can't
• 7:33
  control.
• 7:34
  But
• 7:34
  if
• 7:34
  you
• 7:34
  can
• 7:34
  walk
• 7:35
  into
• 7:35
  a
• 7:35
  space
• 7:35
  and
• 7:35
  feel
• 7:35
  like
• 7:36
  you've
• 7:36
  got
• 7:36
  the
• 7:36
  confidence
• 7:37
  through
• 7:37
  what
• 7:37
  you've
• 7:38
  done
• 7:38
  behind
• 7:38
  the
• 7:39
  scenes,
• 7:39
  then
• 7:40
  that's
• 7:40
  what
• 7:40
  can
• 7:40
  carry
• 7:41
  you
• 7:41
  through.
• 7:41
  I
• 7:42
  think
• 7:42
  over
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  years,
• 7:43
  across
• 7:44
  production
• 7:45
  and
• 7:45
  presenting,
• 7:47
  you're
• 7:47
  working
• 7:47
  in
• 7:48
  an
• 7:48
  industry
• 7:48
  that
• 7:48
  is
• 7:49
  incredibly
• 7:49
  competitive,
• 7:50
  that
• 7:51
  is
• 7:51
  evolving
• 7:51
  all
• 7:52
  the
• 7:52
  time.
• 7:52
  I
• 7:52
  mean,
• 7:52
  I
• 7:53
  work
• 7:53
  back
• 7:53
  in
• 7:53
  the
• 7:53
  day
• 7:53
  when
• 7:55
  Facebook
• 7:55
  had
• 7:55
  just
• 7:56
  started,
• 7:56
  you
• 7:56
  know,
• 7:57
  it
• 7:57
  was
• 7:57
  kind
• 7:57
  of
• 7:57
  like
• 7:57
  the
• 7:58
  dawn
• 7:58
  of
• 7:58
  social
• 7:59
  media.
• 7:59
  Absolutely.
• 8:00
  You
• 8:00
  know,
• 8:01
  and
• 8:01
  now
• 8:01
  it's
• 8:02
  completely
• 8:02
  different
• 8:02
  world.
• 8:03
  And
• 8:03
  I
• 8:03
  get
• 8:03
  a
• 8:03
  lot
• 8:03
  of
• 8:03
  people
• 8:04
  messaging
• 8:04
  me
• 8:05
  saying,
• 8:05
  I
• 8:05
  really
• 8:06
  want
• 8:06
  to
• 8:06
  work
• 8:06
  in
• 8:06
  this
• 8:06
  industry.
• 8:07
  How
• 8:07
  can
• 8:07
  I
• 8:07
  be
• 8:07
  a
• 8:07
  presenter,
• 8:08
  how
• 8:08
  can
• 8:08
  I
• 8:08
  be
• 8:08
  a
• 8:08
  producer?
• 8:10
  And
• 8:10
  the
• 8:10
  thing
• 8:10
  that
• 8:10
  I
• 8:11
  always
• 8:11
  go
• 8:11
  back
• 8:11
  to
• 8:11
  when
• 8:12
  people
• 8:12
  ask
• 8:12
  me
• 8:12
  is,
• 8:13
  what
• 8:14
  research
• 8:14
  have
• 8:14
  you
• 8:14
  done
• 8:15
  to
• 8:15
  get
• 8:15
  to
• 8:15
  this
• 8:15
  point?
• 8:16
  You
• 8:16
  know,
• 8:16
  what
• 8:17
  have
• 8:17
  you
• 8:17
  looked
• 8:17
  into?
• 8:18
  I
• 8:18
  say,
• 8:18
  well,
• 8:18
  what
• 8:18
  are
• 8:18
  you
• 8:19
  interested
• 8:19
  in?
• 8:19
  What
• 8:19
  would
• 8:20
  you
• 8:20
  like
• 8:20
  to
• 8:20
  do
• 8:20
  in
• 8:20
  telly?
• 8:21
  And
• 8:22
  certain
• 8:22
  people
• 8:22
  will
• 8:23
  respond
• 8:23
  and
• 8:23
  say,
• 8:23
  well,
• 8:24
  actually,
• 8:25
  I
• 8:25
  like
• 8:26
  this
• 8:26
  type
• 8:26
  of
• 8:27
  program.
• 8:27
  I
• 8:27
  watch
• 8:27
  this,
• 8:28
  this,
• 8:28
  these
• 8:28
  are
• 8:28
  my
• 8:28
  interests.
• 8:29
  And
• 8:29
  certain
• 8:29
  people
• 8:30
  will
• 8:30
  say,
• 8:30
  I've
• 8:31
  got
• 8:31
  no
• 8:31
  idea.
• 8:32
  But
• 8:32
  I'd
• 8:32
  just
• 8:32
  like
• 8:33
  to
• 8:33
  work
• 8:33
  in
• 8:33
  the
• 8:33
  industry.
• 8:34
  And
• 8:34
  for
• 8:34
  me,
• 8:34
  that's
• 8:35
  not
• 8:35
  doing
• 8:35
  enough
• 8:35
  research.
• 8:36
  That's
• 8:36
  not
• 8:37
  going
• 8:37
  to
• 8:37
  be
• 8:37
  preparation.
• 8:38
  It's
• 8:38
  like,
• 8:38
  you've
• 8:38
  got
• 8:38
  to
• 8:38
  lead
• 8:39
  with
• 8:39
  your
• 8:39
  passion.
• 8:39
  Yeah.
• 8:40
  And
• 8:40
  the
• 8:40
  people
• 8:40
  who
• 8:41
  have
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  passion
• 8:42
  will
• 8:42
  be
• 8:42
  the
• 8:42
  people
• 8:42
  who
• 8:42
  did
• 8:43
  or
• 8:43
  do
• 8:43
  what
• 8:44
  you
• 8:44
  did,
• 8:44
  where
• 8:45
  you
• 8:45
  didn't
• 8:46
  know
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  email,
• 8:46
  but
• 8:47
  you
• 8:47
  researched
• 8:47
  and
• 8:47
  found
• 8:47
  out,
• 8:48
  you
• 8:48
  took
• 8:48
  a
• 8:48
  chance.
• 8:49
  And
• 8:49
  also
• 8:50
  it's
• 8:50
  about
• 8:51
  having
• 8:51
  the
• 8:51
  courage
• 8:52
  to
• 8:52
  be
• 8:52
  slightly
• 8:52
  uncomfortable
• 8:53
  and
• 8:54
  step
• 8:54
  outside
• 8:55
  of
• 8:55
  your
• 8:55
  comfort
• 8:56
  zone
• 8:56
  and
• 8:56
  think,
• 8:56
  well,
• 8:56
  do
• 8:56
  you
• 8:56
  know
• 8:57
  what
• 8:57
  if
• 8:57
  I
• 8:57
  don't
• 8:57
  try?
• 8:58
  Yeah.
• 8:58
  What
• 8:59
  will
• 8:59
  happen?
• 8:59
  It's
• 9:00
  so
• 9:00
  true.
• 9:00
  And
• 9:01
  I
• 9:01
  think
• 9:01
  you've
• 9:01
  hit
• 9:01
  the
• 9:01
  nail
• 9:02
  on
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  head
• 9:02
  there.
• 9:02
  You
• 9:02
  know,
• 9:03
  I
• 9:03
  was
• 9:03
  thinking
• 9:03
  when
• 9:03
  I
• 9:03
  woke
• 9:03
  up
• 9:04
  this
• 9:04
  morning,
• 9:04
  I
• 9:05
  feel
• 9:05
  like
• 9:05
  I
• 9:05
  spend
• 9:05
  most
• 9:06
  days
• 9:06
  at
• 9:07
  a
• 9:07
  certain
• 9:07
  point
• 9:07
  feeling
• 9:08
  uncomfortable,
• 9:09
  and
• 9:09
  it's
• 9:10
  getting
• 9:10
  comfortable
• 9:11
  with
• 9:11
  feeling
• 9:11
  uncomfortable.
• 9:12
  And
• 9:12
  there
• 9:12
  are
• 9:12
  certain
• 9:13
  days
• 9:13
  where
• 9:13
  I'm
• 9:13
  like,
• 9:14
  I'm
• 9:14
  done.
• 9:15
  I
• 9:15
  just
• 9:15
  want
• 9:15
  to
• 9:15
  be
• 9:16
  cozy.
• 9:16
  I
• 9:16
  like
• 9:17
  putting
• 9:17
  my
• 9:17
  socks
• 9:17
  on,
• 9:17
  getting
• 9:17
  warm
• 9:18
  with
• 9:18
  a
• 9:18
  hot
• 9:18
  water
• 9:18
  bottle
• 9:18
  and
• 9:19
  just
• 9:19
  cozying
• 9:19
  up
• 9:19
  and
• 9:19
  just.
• 9:20
  That's
• 9:20
  it.
• 9:20
  You
• 9:20
  know
• 9:21
  what
• 9:21
  I
• 9:21
  mean?
• 9:21
  Closing
• 9:21
  the
• 9:21
  door
• 9:21
  and.
• 9:22
  But
• 9:22
  it
• 9:22
  is,
• 9:23
  especially
• 9:23
  within
• 9:24
  this
• 9:24
  type
• 9:24
  of
• 9:24
  industry,
• 9:25
  it's
• 9:26
  constantly
• 9:26
  putting
• 9:27
  Every
• 9:27
  single
• 9:27
  day,
• 9:28
  putting
• 9:28
  yourself
• 9:29
  in
• 9:29
  situations
• 9:29
  where
• 9:29
  you're
• 9:30
  pushing,
• 9:30
  pushing,
• 9:30
  pushing
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  barrier.
• 9:31
  And
• 9:31
  I
• 9:31
  think
• 9:32
  now
• 9:32
  so
• 9:32
  more
• 9:32
  than
• 9:33
  ever
• 9:33
  of
• 9:34
  being
• 9:34
  an
• 9:34
  older
• 9:34
  woman
• 9:35
  in
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  industry,
• 9:36
  you
• 9:36
  know,
• 9:36
  having
• 9:37
  societal
• 9:38
  norms
• 9:38
  pushed
• 9:38
  against
• 9:39
  you,
• 9:39
  pulled
• 9:39
  against
• 9:39
  you.
• 9:40
  I
• 9:40
  didn't
• 9:41
  realize
• 9:41
  that
• 9:41
  when
• 9:41
  I
• 9:41
  got
• 9:42
  to
• 9:42
  40
• 9:43
  and
• 9:43
  having
• 9:44
  what
• 9:44
  I
• 9:44
  deem
• 9:44
  for
• 9:45
  myself
• 9:45
  as
• 9:45
  a.
• 9:46
  A
• 9:46
  consistent,
• 9:46
  successful
• 9:47
  career,
• 9:48
  I
• 9:48
  would
• 9:48
  still
• 9:48
  be
• 9:48
  at
• 9:49
  a
• 9:49
  point
• 9:49
  where
• 9:49
  you
• 9:50
  get
• 9:50
  questions
• 9:51
  and
• 9:51
  judged
• 9:51
  and
• 9:52
  judged
• 9:52
  every
• 9:53
  single
• 9:53
  day.
• 9:53
  And
• 9:54
  these
• 9:54
  things
• 9:54
  now
• 9:54
  that,
• 9:55
  you
• 9:55
  know,
• 9:55
  I'm
• 9:55
  getting
• 9:56
  judged
• 9:56
  for
• 9:56
  that,
• 9:56
  I
• 9:56
  wouldn't.
• 9:56
  In
• 9:57
  my
• 9:57
  early
• 9:57
  20s,
• 9:58
  your
• 9:59
  age,
• 10:00
  your
• 10:00
  ethnicity,
• 10:01
  whether
• 10:01
  you've
• 10:02
  got
• 10:02
  children
• 10:02
  or
• 10:02
  not.
• 10:04
  As
• 10:04
  a
• 10:04
  woman,
• 10:04
  how
• 10:05
  do
• 10:05
  you
• 10:05
  balance
• 10:05
  your
• 10:06
  work
• 10:06
  and
• 10:06
  your
• 10:07
  career?
• 10:07
  Are
• 10:07
  you
• 10:08
  doing
• 10:08
  it
• 10:08
  well
• 10:08
  enough
• 10:08
  or
• 10:09
  not
• 10:09
  enough?
• 10:10
  It's
• 10:10
  a
• 10:10
  constant
• 10:10
  thing.
• 10:11
  And
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  think
• 10:11
  when
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  was
• 10:11
  younger,
• 10:12
  when
• 10:12
  I
• 10:12
  first
• 10:12
  started
• 10:12
  in
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  industry,
• 10:13
  I
• 10:13
  thought,
• 10:14
  well,
• 10:15
  I'm
• 10:15
  young,
• 10:15
  but
• 10:15
  I
• 10:16
  know
• 10:16
  I'm
• 10:16
  going
• 10:16
  to
• 10:16
  get
• 10:16
  to
• 10:17
  a
• 10:17
  point
• 10:17
  where
• 10:17
  I
• 10:17
  have
• 10:17
  it
• 10:18
  all
• 10:18
  figured
• 10:18
  out
• 10:19
  and
• 10:19
  I'll
• 10:19
  just
• 10:20
  wake
• 10:20
  up
• 10:20
  one
• 10:20
  day
• 10:21
  and
• 10:21
  I'll
• 10:21
  feel
• 10:21
  comfortable
• 10:22
  and
• 10:23
  everything
• 10:23
  will
• 10:23
  be
• 10:23
  fine.
• 10:24
  And
• 10:24
  then,
• 10:25
  you
• 10:25
  know,
• 10:25
  you
• 10:25
  wake
• 10:25
  up
• 10:25
  and
• 10:26
  you're
• 10:26
  40
• 10:26
  and
• 10:26
  you're
• 10:26
  like,
• 10:27
  yeah,
• 10:27
  life
• 10:27
  doesn't
• 10:28
  work
• 10:28
  like
• 10:28
  that.
• 10:28
  Totally
• 10:29
  doesn't.
• 10:29
  You
• 10:29
  know
• 10:29
  what
• 10:30
  I
• 10:30
  mean?
• 10:30
  We
• 10:30
  were
• 10:30
  just
• 10:30
  talking
• 10:30
  about
• 10:30
  it
• 10:31
  before.
• 10:31
  It's
• 10:31
  like
• 10:31
  one
• 10:31
  day
• 10:32
  you
• 10:32
  put
• 10:32
  a
• 10:32
  dress
• 10:32
  on,
• 10:32
  it
• 10:32
  feels
• 10:32
  great.
• 10:33
  The
• 10:33
  next
• 10:33
  day
• 10:33
  you
• 10:33
  put
• 10:33
  it
• 10:34
  on,
• 10:34
  it's
• 10:34
  not.
• 10:34
  But,
• 10:35
  you
• 10:35
  know,
• 10:35
  you
• 10:35
  were
• 10:35
  doing
• 10:36
  what,
• 10:36
  four
• 10:36
  weeks
• 10:36
  filming
• 10:36
  of
• 10:37
  Crime
• 10:37
  Watch,
• 10:37
  where
• 10:38
  it's
• 10:38
  like
• 10:38
  live
• 10:39
  tv
• 10:39
  every
• 10:40
  single
• 10:40
  day.
• 10:40
  You've
• 10:40
  got
• 10:41
  to
• 10:41
  show
• 10:41
  up
• 10:41
  whether
• 10:41
  you
• 10:41
  feel
• 10:41
  like
• 10:42
  it
• 10:42
  or
• 10:42
  not.
• 10:42
  Yeah.
• 10:43
  And
• 10:43
  I
• 10:43
  think
• 10:44
  what's
• 10:44
  interesting
• 10:45
  when
• 10:45
  you
• 10:45
  said
• 10:45
  about
• 10:46
  the
• 10:46
  judgment,
• 10:47
  it's
• 10:47
  every
• 10:47
  time
• 10:47
  you
• 10:48
  go
• 10:48
  for
• 10:48
  a
• 10:48
  role,
• 10:48
  every
• 10:49
  time
• 10:49
  you
• 10:49
  go
• 10:49
  to
• 10:50
  do
• 10:50
  anything,
• 10:51
  you
• 10:51
  know,
• 10:51
  even
• 10:51
  entrepreneurs
• 10:52
  could
• 10:53
  be
• 10:53
  speaking
• 10:53
  on
• 10:53
  stage,
• 10:54
  getting
• 10:54
  a
• 10:54
  book,
• 10:54
  who
• 10:55
  always
• 10:55
  pop
• 10:55
  against
• 10:56
  someone
• 10:56
  else.
• 10:56
  There's
• 10:56
  always
• 10:57
  a
• 10:57
  comparison
• 10:57
  that
• 10:57
  we're
• 10:58
  forced
• 10:58
  into
• 10:58
  massively.
• 10:59
  And
• 11:00
  people
• 11:00
  say
• 11:00
  it's
• 11:00
  not
• 11:01
  personal.
• 11:01
  It
• 11:02
  is.
• 11:02
  Personally,
• 11:03
  it
• 11:03
  is
• 11:04
  personal
• 11:04
  at
• 11:04
  the
• 11:05
  end
• 11:05
  of
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  day,
• 11:06
  with
• 11:06
  you,
• 11:06
  with
• 11:06
  me,
• 11:07
  we
• 11:07
  are
• 11:07
  our
• 11:07
  brand,
• 11:08
  we
• 11:08
  are
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  business.
• 11:10
  So
• 11:10
  it's.
• 11:11
  It's
• 11:11
  you.
• 11:12
  So
• 11:12
  it
• 11:12
  is
• 11:13
  personal,
• 11:13
  you
• 11:13
  know,
• 11:14
  and
• 11:14
  it's
• 11:14
  not.
• 11:15
  Taking
• 11:15
  offense
• 11:16
  to
• 11:16
  that
• 11:16
  is
• 11:16
  difficult
• 11:17
  at
• 11:17
  times,
• 11:17
  but
• 11:18
  also,
• 11:18
  I've
• 11:18
  learned
• 11:19
  over
• 11:19
  the
• 11:19
  years,
• 11:20
  yeah,
• 11:20
  it's
• 11:20
  personal.
• 11:21
  And
• 11:21
  also
• 11:21
  there
• 11:21
  are,
• 11:22
  like,
• 11:22
  in
• 11:22
  life,
• 11:22
  there
• 11:22
  are
• 11:23
  going
• 11:23
  to
• 11:23
  be
• 11:23
  some
• 11:23
  people
• 11:23
  that
• 11:24
  like
• 11:24
  me,
• 11:25
  and
• 11:25
  there
• 11:25
  are
• 11:25
  some
• 11:25
  people
• 11:26
  that
• 11:26
  don't.
• 11:26
  I
• 11:26
  can't
• 11:27
  change
• 11:27
  that.
• 11:28
  You
• 11:28
  know,
• 11:28
  in
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  very
• 11:29
  early
• 11:29
  days
• 11:30
  when
• 11:30
  I
• 11:30
  was
• 11:30
  moving
• 11:31
  from
• 11:31
  production
• 11:31
  into
• 11:32
  presenting,
• 11:32
  I
• 11:33
  would
• 11:33
  go
• 11:33
  and
• 11:33
  reach
• 11:34
  out
• 11:34
  to
• 11:34
  various
• 11:35
  different
• 11:35
  people
• 11:35
  in
• 11:36
  the
• 11:36
  industry
• 11:36
  to
• 11:36
  get
• 11:37
  advice.
• 11:38
  Some
• 11:38
  Advice
• 11:38
  was
• 11:39
  really
• 11:39
  worthwhile.
• 11:40
  Upon
• 11:40
  reflection,
• 11:41
  some
• 11:41
  wasn't
• 11:41
  so
• 11:41
  worthwhile.
• 11:42
  Some
• 11:42
  people
• 11:43
  would
• 11:43
  say,
• 11:43
  look
• 11:44
  at
• 11:44
  different
• 11:44
  presenters
• 11:45
  and
• 11:45
  see
• 11:45
  who
• 11:45
  you
• 11:46
  want
• 11:46
  to
• 11:46
  be
• 11:46
  like.
• 11:47
  And
• 11:47
  for
• 11:48
  me,
• 11:48
  I
• 11:48
  didn't
• 11:48
  feel
• 11:49
  like
• 11:49
  that
• 11:49
  was
• 11:49
  good
• 11:49
  advice
• 11:50
  because
• 11:50
  I
• 11:50
  need
• 11:51
  to
• 11:51
  look
• 11:51
  at
• 11:51
  myself
• 11:52
  and
• 11:52
  think,
• 11:53
  what
• 11:53
  elements
• 11:53
  of
• 11:54
  myself
• 11:54
  can
• 11:54
  I
• 11:54
  bring
• 11:54
  out
• 11:55
  more?
• 11:55
  What
• 11:55
  can
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  home?
• 11:56
  What
• 11:56
  can
• 11:56
  I
• 11:57
  evolve
• 11:57
  into
• 11:58
  and
• 11:59
  feel
• 11:59
  it
• 11:59
  from
• 11:59
  here?
• 12:00
  Yeah,
• 12:00
  I
• 12:00
  can
• 12:00
  look
• 12:00
  at
• 12:00
  other
• 12:01
  people
• 12:01
  that
• 12:01
  I
• 12:01
  admire
• 12:02
  and
• 12:02
  take
• 12:03
  inspiration
• 12:04
  from,
• 12:04
  but
• 12:04
  I'm
• 12:05
  never
• 12:05
  going
• 12:05
  to
• 12:05
  be
• 12:06
  them.
• 12:06
  Yeah,
• 12:07
  this
• 12:07
  is
• 12:07
  it.
• 12:07
  I
• 12:07
  think
• 12:07
  I
• 12:08
  always
• 12:08
  say
• 12:08
  this
• 12:08
  with
• 12:09
  clients
• 12:09
  that,
• 12:10
  you
• 12:10
  know,
• 12:10
  if
• 12:10
  they
• 12:10
  want
• 12:10
  to
• 12:10
  get
• 12:10
  onto
• 12:11
  stages,
• 12:11
  they
• 12:12
  want
• 12:12
  to
• 12:12
  emulate
• 12:13
  someone
• 12:13
  else's
• 12:14
  career
• 12:14
  or
• 12:14
  brand
• 12:15
  success,
• 12:15
  it's
• 12:16
  like,
• 12:16
  think
• 12:16
  about
• 12:16
  what
• 12:16
  you
• 12:17
  are,
• 12:17
  what
• 12:17
  your
• 12:17
  core
• 12:17
  pillars
• 12:18
  are,
• 12:18
  what
• 12:18
  your
• 12:18
  passion
• 12:19
  is,
• 12:19
  your
• 12:19
  mission
• 12:19
  and
• 12:19
  vision,
• 12:20
  and
• 12:20
  look
• 12:21
  at
• 12:21
  all
• 12:21
  of
• 12:21
  these
• 12:22
  people
• 12:22
  and
• 12:22
  then
• 12:23
  cherry
• 12:23
  pick
• 12:23
  the
• 12:24
  bits
• 12:24
  that
• 12:24
  you
• 12:25
  feel
• 12:25
  that
• 12:25
  truly
• 12:26
  align
• 12:26
  with
• 12:26
  what
• 12:27
  you
• 12:27
  want
• 12:27
  to
• 12:27
  do
• 12:28
  and
• 12:28
  that
• 12:28
  will
• 12:28
  bring
• 12:28
  out
• 12:29
  your
• 12:29
  superpowers.
• 12:30
  And
• 12:30
  I
• 12:30
  think
• 12:31
  where
• 12:31
  people
• 12:31
  go
• 12:31
  wrong
• 12:31
  is
• 12:32
  that
• 12:32
  they
• 12:32
  try
• 12:33
  and
• 12:33
  copy.
• 12:34
  And
• 12:34
  this
• 12:34
  is
• 12:34
  the
• 12:34
  thing,
• 12:34
  like,
• 12:35
  you're
• 12:35
  never
• 12:35
  going
• 12:36
  to
• 12:36
  be
• 12:36
  able
• 12:36
  to
• 12:36
  be
• 12:37
  the
• 12:37
  same
• 12:37
  as
• 12:37
  someone
• 12:37
  else,
• 12:37
  and
• 12:38
  why
• 12:38
  should
• 12:38
  we?
• 12:38
  Where
• 12:39
  we're
• 12:39
  put
• 12:39
  on
• 12:39
  life
• 12:40
  as
• 12:40
  our
• 12:40
  own
• 12:41
  entities.
• 12:42
  And
• 12:42
  I
• 12:42
  think
• 12:42
  when
• 12:43
  you
• 12:43
  look
• 12:43
  at
• 12:44
  how
• 12:44
  people
• 12:44
  judge,
• 12:45
  they
• 12:45
  always
• 12:46
  say
• 12:46
  things
• 12:46
  like,
• 12:46
  you
• 12:46
  know,
• 12:47
  you
• 12:48
  could
• 12:48
  have
• 12:48
  more
• 12:48
  followers,
• 12:49
  you
• 12:49
  could
• 12:49
  have
• 12:49
  more
• 12:50
  this,
• 12:50
  you
• 12:50
  could
• 12:50
  have
• 12:50
  more
• 12:50
  years
• 12:51
  of
• 12:51
  experience.
• 12:51
  You
• 12:51
  could
• 12:51
  have
• 12:51
  had
• 12:52
  all
• 12:52
  of
• 12:52
  these
• 12:53
  things.
• 12:53
  But
• 12:54
  all
• 12:54
  of
• 12:54
  these
• 12:54
  criticisms
• 12:55
  that
• 12:56
  we
• 12:56
  face
• 12:56
  day
• 12:56
  to
• 12:57
  day,
• 12:57
  I
• 12:57
  think
• 12:57
  we
• 12:57
  have
• 12:58
  to
• 12:58
  try
• 12:58
  and,
• 12:58
  as
• 12:58
  you
• 12:59
  say,
• 12:59
  take
• 13:00
  on
• 13:00
  board,
• 13:01
  but
• 13:01
  not
• 13:01
  feel
• 13:02
  that
• 13:02
  people
• 13:02
  are
• 13:03
  saying
• 13:03
  it
• 13:03
  in
• 13:04
  a
• 13:04
  negative
• 13:04
  sense.
• 13:05
  But
• 13:05
  that's
• 13:06
  just
• 13:06
  their
• 13:06
  opinion
• 13:06
  and
• 13:07
  their
• 13:07
  perception,
• 13:08
  and
• 13:08
  it's
• 13:08
  whether
• 13:08
  your
• 13:09
  face
• 13:09
  fits
• 13:09
  at
• 13:09
  the
• 13:09
  right
• 13:10
  time.
• 13:10
  And
• 13:11
  it's
• 13:11
  almost
• 13:11
  like
• 13:11
  the
• 13:11
  rejection
• 13:12
  piece.
• 13:12
  For
• 13:12
  me,
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  more
• 13:14
  I've
• 13:14
  been
• 13:14
  rejected,
• 13:15
  those
• 13:15
  are
• 13:15
  the
• 13:16
  times
• 13:16
  that
• 13:16
  have
• 13:16
  put
• 13:17
  me
• 13:17
  into
• 13:17
  a
• 13:17
  catalyst
• 13:18
  of
• 13:18
  growth
• 13:18
  like
• 13:19
  never
• 13:20
  before.
• 13:20
  So
• 13:20
  true.
• 13:21
  Literally
• 13:22
  couldn't
• 13:22
  agree
• 13:22
  with
• 13:22
  that
• 13:23
  more.
• 13:23
  And
• 13:24
  I
• 13:24
  can
• 13:25
  think
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  many
• 13:26
  times,
• 13:26
  you
• 13:26
  know,
• 13:27
  in
• 13:27
  my
• 13:27
  career
• 13:27
  where
• 13:28
  I've
• 13:28
  been
• 13:29
  pitted
• 13:29
  against
• 13:30
  other
• 13:30
  people
• 13:30
  and,
• 13:31
  you
• 13:31
  know,
• 13:32
  you
• 13:32
  think
• 13:32
  that
• 13:32
  this
• 13:33
  next
• 13:33
  job
• 13:33
  is
• 13:33
  going
• 13:34
  to
• 13:34
  be
• 13:34
  your
• 13:34
  dream
• 13:34
  job,
• 13:35
  and
• 13:35
  you're
• 13:35
  hoping
• 13:35
  and
• 13:35
  you're
• 13:36
  hoping
• 13:36
  people
• 13:36
  are
• 13:37
  rooting
• 13:37
  for.
• 13:37
  You're
• 13:37
  going
• 13:37
  to
• 13:38
  get
• 13:38
  it
• 13:38
  and
• 13:38
  you
• 13:38
  don't
• 13:38
  get
• 13:38
  it,
• 13:39
  and
• 13:39
  you
• 13:39
  think,
• 13:39
  well,
• 13:39
  that's
• 13:39
  it
• 13:40
  now.
• 13:40
  Yeah,
• 13:40
  but
• 13:41
  actually,
• 13:41
  I'd
• 13:42
  love
• 13:42
  to
• 13:42
  do
• 13:42
  a
• 13:42
  study
• 13:43
  on
• 13:43
  what
• 13:43
  that
• 13:44
  is
• 13:44
  that's
• 13:44
  going
• 13:44
  on
• 13:45
  in
• 13:46
  your
• 13:46
  kind
• 13:46
  of
• 13:46
  psyche
• 13:47
  or
• 13:47
  your
• 13:47
  makeup
• 13:47
  that
• 13:48
  actually
• 13:49
  switches
• 13:50
  up
• 13:50
  the
• 13:50
  notch
• 13:50
  almost
• 13:51
  to
• 13:51
  another
• 13:51
  gear
• 13:52
  that
• 13:52
  you
• 13:52
  didn't
• 13:52
  realize
• 13:53
  you
• 13:53
  had
• 13:53
  and
• 13:54
  does
• 13:54
  propel
• 13:54
  you
• 13:55
  forward.
• 13:55
  I
• 13:56
  Feel
• 13:56
  like
• 13:56
  it's
• 13:56
  an
• 13:56
  inner
• 13:57
  resilience.
• 13:57
  Yes.
• 13:58
  I
• 13:58
  feel
• 13:58
  like
• 13:59
  the
• 13:59
  more
• 13:59
  you
• 14:00
  condition
• 14:00
  yourself
• 14:01
  to
• 14:01
  trying,
• 14:02
  having
• 14:02
  the
• 14:02
  audacity,
• 14:03
  having
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  courage,
• 14:03
  putting
• 14:04
  yourself
• 14:04
  out
• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
  comfort
• 14:04
  zone,
• 14:05
  it's
• 14:05
  almost
• 14:05
  like
• 14:06
  that
• 14:06
  just
• 14:06
  becomes
• 14:06
  your
• 14:06
  new
• 14:07
  norm.
• 14:07
  So
• 14:08
  that
• 14:08
  when
• 14:08
  you
• 14:08
  don't
• 14:08
  get
• 14:09
  the
• 14:09
  thing,
• 14:09
  it
• 14:09
  almost
• 14:10
  feels
• 14:10
  like,
• 14:10
  well,
• 14:11
  the
• 14:11
  belief
• 14:11
  and
• 14:12
  the,
• 14:12
  I
• 14:12
  suppose,
• 14:13
  reference
• 14:13
  point
• 14:13
  you
• 14:13
  have
• 14:14
  in
• 14:14
  your
• 14:14
  mind
• 14:14
  is,
• 14:14
  I
• 14:14
  go
• 14:14
  back
• 14:14
  to
• 14:15
  what
• 14:15
  happened
• 14:15
  last
• 14:15
  time.
• 14:15
  Well,
• 14:15
  do
• 14:16
  you
• 14:16
  know
• 14:16
  what?
• 14:16
  Actually,
• 14:16
  last
• 14:17
  time
• 14:17
  I
• 14:17
  pivoted,
• 14:17
  I
• 14:18
  did
• 14:18
  this
• 14:18
  and
• 14:19
  I
• 14:19
  pushed
• 14:19
  on
• 14:19
  and
• 14:20
  I
• 14:20
  got
• 14:20
  greater
• 14:20
  success.
• 14:21
  Yes.
• 14:21
  It's
• 14:22
  almost
• 14:22
  like
• 14:22
  the
• 14:22
  universe
• 14:23
  serves
• 14:23
  us
• 14:23
  in
• 14:23
  that
• 14:23
  way.
• 14:24
  It's
• 14:24
  like
• 14:24
  it's
• 14:24
  not
• 14:24
  meant
• 14:24
  to
• 14:25
  be
• 14:25
  because
• 14:26
  we're
• 14:26
  meant
• 14:26
  for
• 14:26
  greater
• 14:27
  things.
• 14:27
  Yeah.
• 14:27
  And
• 14:28
  I
• 14:28
  think
• 14:28
  within
• 14:29
  all
• 14:29
  of
• 14:29
  that,
• 14:29
  if
• 14:30
  you're
• 14:30
  continuing
• 14:31
  to
• 14:31
  work
• 14:31
  hard,
• 14:32
  it
• 14:32
  is
• 14:33
  going
• 14:33
  to
• 14:34
  pay
• 14:34
  off.
• 14:34
  And
• 14:35
  you
• 14:35
  know,
• 14:35
  after
• 14:35
  years
• 14:35
  of
• 14:36
  being
• 14:36
  in
• 14:36
  the
• 14:36
  industry
• 14:36
  now,
• 14:37
  to,
• 14:37
  to
• 14:37
  have
• 14:37
  the
• 14:38
  evidence
• 14:38
  to
• 14:38
  back
• 14:38
  that
• 14:39
  up,
• 14:39
  to
• 14:39
  reflect
• 14:40
  and
• 14:40
  look
• 14:40
  back
• 14:40
  on
• 14:40
  the
• 14:41
  times,
• 14:41
  well,
• 14:41
  you,
• 14:42
  you
• 14:42
  didn't
• 14:42
  get
• 14:42
  that.
• 14:42
  But
• 14:42
  look
• 14:42
  what
• 14:43
  happened
• 14:43
  next.
• 14:43
  You
• 14:43
  didn't
• 14:43
  get
• 14:44
  that.
• 14:44
  And
• 14:44
  the
• 14:44
  consistent
• 14:45
  thread
• 14:45
  through
• 14:45
  all
• 14:45
  of
• 14:45
  that
• 14:46
  is
• 14:46
  not
• 14:46
  giving
• 14:47
  up,
• 14:47
  is
• 14:47
  having
• 14:48
  faith
• 14:48
  within
• 14:48
  yourself.
• 14:49
  And
• 14:49
  also
• 14:49
  for
• 14:49
  me,
• 14:49
  I
• 14:50
  think
• 14:50
  again,
• 14:50
  within
• 14:51
  tv,
• 14:51
  not
• 14:52
  just
• 14:52
  relying
• 14:52
  on
• 14:53
  external
• 14:53
  validation.
• 14:54
  If
• 14:55
  I
• 14:55
  spent
• 14:55
  my
• 14:56
  life
• 14:56
  within
• 14:56
  my
• 14:56
  career
• 14:56
  just
• 14:57
  basing
• 14:57
  how
• 14:58
  I
• 14:58
  feel
• 14:58
  about
• 14:58
  myself
• 14:59
  day
• 14:59
  to
• 14:59
  day
• 15:00
  on
• 15:00
  what
• 15:01
  a
• 15:01
  few
• 15:01
  people
• 15:02
  within
• 15:02
  the
• 15:02
  industry
• 15:03
  have
• 15:03
  said
• 15:03
  to
• 15:03
  me,
• 15:04
  positive
• 15:04
  or
• 15:04
  negative,
• 15:05
  it
• 15:05
  can
• 15:06
  be
• 15:06
  really
• 15:06
  unhealthy.
• 15:07
  It's
• 15:08
  great
• 15:08
  when
• 15:08
  it's
• 15:08
  an
• 15:08
  enhancement,
• 15:09
  and
• 15:10
  it's
• 15:10
  also
• 15:10
  really
• 15:11
  healthy
• 15:11
  when
• 15:11
  it's
• 15:12
  constructive
• 15:12
  criticism.
• 15:13
  And
• 15:13
  know
• 15:14
  every
• 15:14
  program
• 15:14
  that
• 15:14
  I
• 15:14
  do,
• 15:15
  I
• 15:15
  watch
• 15:15
  back,
• 15:16
  I
• 15:16
  ask
• 15:16
  for
• 15:16
  feedback.
• 15:17
  You
• 15:17
  know,
• 15:17
  we
• 15:17
  have
• 15:18
  great
• 15:18
  feedback
• 15:18
  meetings
• 15:19
  on,
• 15:19
  on
• 15:19
  one
• 15:19
  of
• 15:19
  the
• 15:20
  programs
• 15:20
  that
• 15:20
  I
• 15:20
  do.
• 15:21
  I'm
• 15:21
  certainly
• 15:22
  not
• 15:22
  the
• 15:22
  person
• 15:22
  that
• 15:22
  just
• 15:22
  thinks,
• 15:23
  well,
• 15:24
  everything's
• 15:24
  great.
• 15:24
  I
• 15:24
  need
• 15:25
  people
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  tell
• 15:25
  me
• 15:25
  that
• 15:25
  it's
• 15:26
  great.
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  need
• 15:26
  people
• 15:26
  to
• 15:27
  tell
• 15:27
  me
• 15:27
  that
• 15:27
  wasn't
• 15:27
  so
• 15:27
  great
• 15:28
  and
• 15:28
  this
• 15:28
  is
• 15:28
  what
• 15:28
  you
• 15:28
  could
• 15:28
  do
• 15:29
  better.
• 15:29
  But
• 15:30
  you've
• 15:30
  also
• 15:31
  got
• 15:31
  to
• 15:31
  have
• 15:31
  that
• 15:32
  inner
• 15:33
  belief
• 15:33
  in
• 15:33
  yourself
• 15:34
  to,
• 15:34
  to
• 15:34
  know
• 15:34
  when
• 15:35
  actually
• 15:35
  I
• 15:35
  need
• 15:36
  to
• 15:36
  step
• 15:36
  it
• 15:36
  up
• 15:36
  here
• 15:37
  or
• 15:37
  know
• 15:37
  this
• 15:37
  is
• 15:37
  going
• 15:38
  well.
• 15:38
  And
• 15:39
  if
• 15:39
  it
• 15:39
  doesn't
• 15:39
  necessarily
• 15:40
  align
• 15:41
  with
• 15:41
  X,
• 15:41
  Y
• 15:42
  and
• 15:42
  Z,
• 15:42
  that's
• 15:43
  okay
• 15:43
  because
• 15:43
  you're
• 15:43
  happy
• 15:44
  with
• 15:44
  your
• 15:44
  growth
• 15:44
  and
• 15:44
  you're
• 15:45
  happy
• 15:45
  with
• 15:45
  where
• 15:45
  you're
• 15:45
  going
• 15:45
  with
• 15:46
  it,
• 15:46
  you
• 15:46
  know.
• 15:46
  Yeah,
• 15:46
  totally.
• 15:47
  And
• 15:47
  it's,
• 15:47
  it's
• 15:47
  almost
• 15:47
  like
• 15:48
  changing
• 15:48
  the
• 15:48
  internal
• 15:49
  narrative.
• 15:49
  Sometimes
• 15:50
  we
• 15:50
  try
• 15:51
  and
• 15:51
  trick
• 15:51
  ourselves
• 15:51
  into,
• 15:52
  oh,
• 15:52
  well,
• 15:53
  no,
• 15:53
  I
• 15:53
  don't
• 15:53
  need
• 15:53
  to
• 15:53
  do
• 15:53
  that
• 15:54
  because
• 15:54
  it
• 15:54
  feels
• 15:54
  uncomfortable.
• 15:55
  But
• 15:55
  actually
• 15:55
  sometimes
• 15:56
  we
• 15:56
  need
• 15:56
  to
• 15:56
  change
• 15:56
  that
• 15:57
  narrative
• 15:57
  and
• 15:58
  switch
• 15:58
  up
• 15:58
  a
• 15:58
  little
• 15:58
  bit
• 15:59
  and
• 15:59
  push
• 15:59
  ourselves
• 15:59
  out
• 15:59
  of
• 15:59
  the
• 16:00
  Comfort
• 16:00
  zone.
• 16:00
  And
• 16:01
  I
• 16:01
  always
• 16:01
  like
• 16:01
  to
• 16:01
  say
• 16:02
  to
• 16:02
  clients,
• 16:02
  like
• 16:03
  when
• 16:03
  you
• 16:03
  get
• 16:03
  a
• 16:03
  piece
• 16:04
  of
• 16:04
  criticism
• 16:04
  or
• 16:05
  something
• 16:05
  you
• 16:05
  deem
• 16:05
  as
• 16:06
  negative,
• 16:06
  like,
• 16:07
  sometimes
• 16:07
  that
• 16:08
  is
• 16:08
  a
• 16:08
  positive
• 16:08
  superpower.
• 16:09
  So
• 16:10
  when
• 16:10
  someone
• 16:10
  says,
• 16:10
  oh,
• 16:10
  my
• 16:11
  goodness,
• 16:11
  like,
• 16:11
  she's
• 16:12
  always
• 16:12
  at
• 16:12
  100
• 16:12
  miles
• 16:13
  an
• 16:13
  hour,
• 16:13
  that
• 16:14
  actually
• 16:14
  could
• 16:14
  be
• 16:14
  your
• 16:15
  best
• 16:16
  superpower
• 16:16
  because
• 16:17
  you're
• 16:17
  just
• 16:17
  pushing
• 16:17
  on
• 16:18
  and
• 16:18
  doing
• 16:18
  things
• 16:18
  and
• 16:19
  maybe
• 16:19
  you
• 16:19
  need
• 16:19
  to
• 16:20
  rest
• 16:20
  at
• 16:21
  times
• 16:21
  and
• 16:21
  things
• 16:21
  like
• 16:22
  that.
• 16:22
  But
• 16:22
  we
• 16:22
  are
• 16:23
  conditioned
• 16:23
  to
• 16:23
  take
• 16:24
  on
• 16:24
  board
• 16:24
  people's
• 16:24
  advice.
• 16:25
  And
• 16:26
  sometimes
• 16:26
  we.
• 16:27
  It's
• 16:27
  what
• 16:28
  we
• 16:28
  do
• 16:28
  with
• 16:28
  it.
• 16:28
  You
• 16:29
  know,
• 16:29
  it's
• 16:29
  fine
• 16:29
  to
• 16:30
  take
• 16:30
  on
• 16:30
  board
• 16:30
  and
• 16:31
  think,
• 16:31
  right,
• 16:31
  okay,
• 16:32
  is
• 16:32
  this
• 16:32
  good?
• 16:33
  Is
• 16:33
  this
• 16:33
  bad?
• 16:33
  Can
• 16:33
  I
• 16:33
  take
• 16:34
  something
• 16:34
  from
• 16:34
  it?
• 16:34
  What
• 16:34
  is
• 16:34
  the
• 16:34
  challenge?
• 16:35
  What's
• 16:35
  the
• 16:35
  positive?
• 16:36
  And
• 16:36
  I
• 16:36
  think
• 16:36
  the
• 16:37
  thing
• 16:37
  is
• 16:37
  here
• 16:37
  is
• 16:37
  that
• 16:38
  you're
• 16:38
  faced
• 16:38
  with
• 16:38
  that
• 16:38
  day
• 16:39
  to
• 16:39
  day.
• 16:39
  Like,
• 16:40
  you
• 16:40
  know,
• 16:40
  being
• 16:40
  an
• 16:40
  entrepreneur,
• 16:41
  we're
• 16:41
  faced
• 16:42
  with
• 16:42
  it
• 16:42
  in
• 16:42
  different
• 16:43
  ways.
• 16:43
  And
• 16:44
  I
• 16:44
  think
• 16:44
  every
• 16:44
  single
• 16:45
  woman
• 16:45
  out
• 16:46
  there
• 16:46
  will
• 16:46
  be
• 16:46
  able
• 16:46
  to
• 16:47
  relate
• 16:47
  to
• 16:48
  the
• 16:48
  perception
• 16:49
  of
• 16:50
  what
• 16:50
  people
• 16:50
  think
• 16:50
  about
• 16:51
  how
• 16:51
  we
• 16:51
  look.
• 16:52
  So
• 16:53
  I
• 16:53
  would
• 16:53
  love
• 16:53
  to
• 16:53
  explore
• 16:54
  that
• 16:54
  because
• 16:55
  I
• 16:55
  once,
• 16:56
  when
• 16:56
  I
• 16:57
  did
• 16:57
  one
• 16:57
  of
• 16:57
  my
• 16:57
  first
• 16:58
  ads
• 16:58
  on
• 16:58
  Facebook,
• 16:59
  put
• 16:59
  it
• 16:59
  out
• 16:59
  and
• 17:00
  it
• 17:00
  was
• 17:00
  getting
• 17:00
  amazing
• 17:01
  traction.
• 17:01
  And
• 17:01
  then
• 17:02
  I
• 17:02
  started
• 17:02
  to
• 17:02
  get
• 17:02
  trolled
• 17:03
  by
• 17:04
  men
• 17:05
  who
• 17:05
  were
• 17:06
  saying
• 17:06
  either
• 17:07
  not
• 17:07
  particularly
• 17:08
  nice
• 17:08
  things
• 17:08
  or
• 17:09
  offensive.
• 17:09
  And
• 17:09
  then
• 17:09
  one
• 17:10
  of
• 17:10
  the
• 17:10
  comments
• 17:10
  that
• 17:10
  always
• 17:10
  sticks
• 17:11
  with
• 17:11
  me,
• 17:11
  this
• 17:12
  man
• 17:12
  was
• 17:12
  like,
• 17:12
  I
• 17:12
  hate
• 17:13
  her
• 17:13
  lipstick.
• 17:14
  And
• 17:14
  it
• 17:14
  made
• 17:14
  me
• 17:14
  laugh
• 17:14
  so
• 17:15
  much.
• 17:15
  And
• 17:15
  everyone's
• 17:16
  like,
• 17:16
  you
• 17:16
  know,
• 17:16
  how
• 17:16
  do
• 17:16
  you
• 17:16
  feel
• 17:17
  about
• 17:17
  this
• 17:17
  trolling?
• 17:17
  And
• 17:18
  I
• 17:18
  just
• 17:18
  thought,
• 17:18
  you
• 17:18
  know
• 17:18
  what,
• 17:19
  this
• 17:19
  is
• 17:19
  not
• 17:19
  about
• 17:19
  me,
• 17:20
  this
• 17:20
  is
• 17:20
  about
• 17:20
  them.
• 17:20
  Yes,
• 17:21
  but
• 17:21
  every
• 17:22
  day
• 17:22
  we
• 17:22
  are
• 17:22
  judged
• 17:23
  in
• 17:23
  our
• 17:23
  appearance
• 17:24
  and,
• 17:24
  you
• 17:24
  know,
• 17:25
  more
• 17:25
  so
• 17:25
  for
• 17:25
  you,
• 17:26
  you're
• 17:26
  in
• 17:26
  front
• 17:26
  of
• 17:26
  the
• 17:26
  camera
• 17:27
  all
• 17:27
  the
• 17:27
  time.
• 17:27
  What
• 17:27
  was
• 17:28
  it
• 17:28
  like
• 17:28
  starting
• 17:28
  out
• 17:29
  in
• 17:29
  your
• 17:29
  career?
• 17:29
  Like
• 17:30
  in
• 17:30
  cbbc,
• 17:31
  did
• 17:32
  you
• 17:32
  have
• 17:32
  to
• 17:32
  conform
• 17:33
  to
• 17:33
  a
• 17:34
  stigma
• 17:34
  in
• 17:34
  the
• 17:34
  BBC?
• 17:35
  Like,
• 17:35
  did
• 17:35
  you
• 17:35
  have
• 17:35
  to
• 17:35
  look
• 17:36
  a
• 17:36
  certain
• 17:36
  way?
• 17:37
  One
• 17:38
  of
• 17:39
  the
• 17:39
  first
• 17:40
  presenting
• 17:40
  jobs
• 17:41
  that
• 17:41
  I
• 17:42
  got
• 17:42
  offered
• 17:43
  within
• 17:43
  tv,
• 17:43
  and
• 17:44
  I
• 17:44
  remember
• 17:44
  very
• 17:45
  distinctly
• 17:45
  how
• 17:45
  the
• 17:46
  conversation
• 17:47
  went.
• 17:47
  The
• 17:48
  boss
• 17:48
  at
• 17:48
  the
• 17:48
  time
• 17:48
  had
• 17:49
  said,
• 17:49
  I'm
• 17:50
  not
• 17:50
  going
• 17:50
  to
• 17:50
  get
• 17:50
  the
• 17:50
  role
• 17:51
  because
• 17:51
  my
• 17:51
  hair
• 17:51
  is
• 17:52
  too
• 17:52
  confusing
• 17:53
  for
• 17:53
  the
• 17:53
  audience.
• 17:54
  Which
• 17:55
  is
• 17:55
  obviously
• 17:56
  a
• 17:56
  far
• 17:56
  deeper
• 17:57
  conversation.
• 17:58
  I
• 17:58
  knew
• 17:58
  exactly
• 17:58
  what
• 17:58
  he
• 17:59
  was
• 17:59
  saying
• 17:59
  to
• 17:59
  me
• 18:00
  at
• 18:00
  that
• 18:00
  time.
• 18:00
  And
• 18:01
  even
• 18:01
  being
• 18:01
  very
• 18:01
  young
• 18:02
  in
• 18:02
  the
• 18:02
  industry
• 18:03
  then
• 18:04
  even
• 18:04
  before
• 18:04
  I'd
• 18:05
  started
• 18:05
  presenting,
• 18:07
  you
• 18:07
  know,
• 18:07
  I'd
• 18:08
  felt
• 18:08
  that
• 18:08
  I'm
• 18:08
  going
• 18:09
  to
• 18:09
  come
• 18:09
  across
• 18:09
  these
• 18:10
  kind
• 18:10
  of
• 18:10
  conversations.
• 18:11
  I
• 18:11
  come
• 18:11
  across
• 18:12
  that,
• 18:12
  you
• 18:12
  know,
• 18:13
  all
• 18:13
  the
• 18:13
  time,
• 18:14
  within
• 18:14
  life.
• 18:15
  But
• 18:15
  to
• 18:15
  have
• 18:15
  someone
• 18:15
  so
• 18:16
  directly
• 18:17
  saying
• 18:17
  it
• 18:17
  to
• 18:18
  me
• 18:18
  as
• 18:18
  if
• 18:18
  it's
• 18:18
  advice
• 18:20
  was
• 18:21
  one
• 18:21
  of
• 18:21
  those
• 18:22
  real
• 18:22
  kind
• 18:22
  of
• 18:22
  wake
• 18:23
  up
• 18:23
  moments
• 18:23
  to
• 18:23
  me
• 18:24
  of,
• 18:24
  okay,
• 18:24
  there's
• 18:25
  a
• 18:25
  couple
• 18:25
  of
• 18:25
  paths
• 18:26
  I
• 18:26
  can
• 18:26
  take
• 18:26
  here
• 18:27
  and
• 18:27
  some
• 18:28
  people
• 18:28
  do
• 18:28
  conform
• 18:29
  or
• 18:30
  not.
• 18:30
  And
• 18:30
  for
• 18:31
  me
• 18:31
  it
• 18:31
  was
• 18:31
  a
• 18:32
  massive
• 18:32
  or
• 18:33
  not.
• 18:33
  If
• 18:33
  I'm
• 18:34
  going
• 18:34
  to
• 18:34
  be
• 18:34
  in
• 18:34
  this
• 18:35
  industry,
• 18:35
  if
• 18:35
  I'm
• 18:36
  going
• 18:36
  to
• 18:36
  feel
• 18:36
  confident
• 18:37
  in
• 18:37
  myself
• 18:37
  in
• 18:38
  this
• 18:38
  space,
• 18:39
  I
• 18:39
  can't
• 18:39
  be
• 18:40
  doing
• 18:40
  what
• 18:40
  you're
• 18:40
  saying
• 18:41
  because
• 18:41
  I
• 18:41
  will
• 18:41
  lose
• 18:42
  every
• 18:43
  bit
• 18:43
  of
• 18:43
  myself.
• 18:43
  And
• 18:43
  that
• 18:44
  is
• 18:44
  literally
• 18:44
  going
• 18:44
  against
• 18:45
  who
• 18:46
  I
• 18:46
  am
• 18:46
  and
• 18:46
  what
• 18:47
  I
• 18:47
  continue
• 18:47
  to
• 18:47
  want
• 18:48
  to
• 18:48
  be
• 18:49
  as
• 18:49
  a
• 18:49
  presenter.
• 18:50
  And
• 18:50
  you,
• 18:51
  you
• 18:51
  do
• 18:51
  realize,
• 18:52
  I
• 18:52
  mean,
• 18:52
  every
• 18:52
  day,
• 18:52
  every
• 18:53
  time
• 18:53
  I
• 18:53
  do
• 18:53
  live
• 18:54
  telly,
• 18:54
  I
• 18:54
  don't
• 18:54
  spend
• 18:55
  too
• 18:55
  much
• 18:55
  time,
• 18:55
  to
• 18:56
  be
• 18:56
  honest,
• 18:56
  going
• 18:56
  on
• 18:57
  social
• 18:57
  media
• 18:57
  comments,
• 18:58
  but
• 18:58
  some
• 18:58
  people
• 18:59
  really
• 18:59
  do
• 18:59
  like
• 18:59
  to
• 18:59
  try
• 19:00
  and
• 19:00
  make
• 19:00
  a
• 19:00
  beeline
• 19:01
  so
• 19:01
  you
• 19:01
  can
• 19:01
  see
• 19:01
  it
• 19:02
  in
• 19:02
  your
• 19:02
  DMS
• 19:02
  or,
• 19:03
  you
• 19:03
  know,
• 19:03
  on
• 19:03
  your,
• 19:04
  on
• 19:04
  your
• 19:04
  pictures
• 19:05
  and
• 19:05
  stuff.
• 19:05
  People
• 19:06
  always
• 19:06
  make
• 19:07
  comments
• 19:07
  about
• 19:08
  the
• 19:08
  way
• 19:08
  I
• 19:09
  look,
• 19:09
  my
• 19:09
  hair,
• 19:10
  my
• 19:11
  facial
• 19:11
  features,
• 19:12
  my
• 19:12
  nose.
• 19:13
  It
• 19:13
  will
• 19:13
  be
• 19:14
  something
• 19:15
  that's
• 19:16
  constant.
• 19:17
  And
• 19:17
  there
• 19:17
  is
• 19:17
  a
• 19:17
  lot
• 19:17
  of,
• 19:18
  it's
• 19:18
  racism.
• 19:18
  You
• 19:19
  know,
• 19:19
  there's
• 19:19
  a
• 19:19
  lot
• 19:19
  of
• 19:19
  racist
• 19:20
  comments,
• 19:21
  unfortunately,
• 19:22
  that
• 19:22
  I
• 19:22
  get
• 19:23
  and
• 19:23
  some
• 19:23
  of
• 19:23
  my,
• 19:24
  my
• 19:24
  colleagues
• 19:24
  get.
• 19:25
  I
• 19:25
  think
• 19:26
  over
• 19:26
  the
• 19:26
  years
• 19:27
  I've
• 19:27
  learned
• 19:28
  to
• 19:29
  deal
• 19:29
  with
• 19:29
  it
• 19:30
  a
• 19:30
  lot
• 19:31
  better
• 19:31
  than
• 19:31
  when
• 19:31
  I
• 19:32
  was
• 19:32
  younger.
• 19:33
  Not
• 19:33
  that
• 19:33
  I
• 19:33
  was
• 19:33
  ever
• 19:34
  shocked
• 19:34
  by
• 19:34
  it,
• 19:34
  unfortunately,
• 19:36
  but
• 19:36
  it
• 19:37
  was
• 19:37
  something
• 19:37
  that
• 19:37
  I
• 19:37
  would
• 19:37
  really
• 19:38
  kind
• 19:38
  of
• 19:38
  take
• 19:38
  to
• 19:38
  heart.
• 19:39
  And
• 19:39
  you
• 19:40
  know,
• 19:40
  when
• 19:40
  you
• 19:40
  feel
• 19:40
  injustice,
• 19:41
  you
• 19:41
  want
• 19:41
  to
• 19:42
  be
• 19:42
  able
• 19:42
  to
• 19:43
  right
• 19:43
  the
• 19:43
  wrongs.
• 19:44
  You
• 19:44
  want
• 19:44
  to
• 19:45
  be
• 19:45
  able
• 19:45
  to
• 19:46
  almost
• 19:46
  going
• 19:46
  back
• 19:47
  to
• 19:47
  psychology,
• 19:48
  have
• 19:49
  a
• 19:49
  conversation
• 19:49
  with
• 19:50
  that
• 19:50
  person
• 19:50
  and
• 19:51
  make
• 19:51
  them
• 19:51
  understand
• 19:53
  or
• 19:54
  try
• 19:54
  and
• 19:54
  understand
• 19:55
  why
• 19:56
  they're
• 19:56
  saying
• 19:56
  what
• 19:56
  they're
• 19:57
  saying.
• 19:57
  That
• 19:58
  wasn't
• 19:58
  the
• 19:58
  way
• 19:58
  to,
• 19:59
  to
• 19:59
  approach
• 19:59
  it.
• 19:59
  For
• 20:00
  every
• 20:00
  kind
• 20:00
  of
• 20:01
  negative,
• 20:03
  hateful
• 20:03
  comment,
• 20:05
  I'm
• 20:05
  not
• 20:05
  going
• 20:06
  to
• 20:06
  be
• 20:06
  spending
• 20:07
  my
• 20:07
  precious
• 20:08
  time
• 20:09
  messaging
• 20:09
  back
• 20:10
  to
• 20:10
  a
• 20:11
  troll
• 20:11
  on
• 20:12
  social
• 20:12
  media.
• 20:13
  It's,
• 20:13
  it's
• 20:14
  pointless.
• 20:15
  There
• 20:15
  are
• 20:15
  times
• 20:15
  over
• 20:16
  your
• 20:16
  career
• 20:16
  that
• 20:16
  it
• 20:16
  definitely
• 20:17
  gets
• 20:17
  you
• 20:17
  down.
• 20:17
  You
• 20:18
  know,
• 20:18
  generally
• 20:18
  outside
• 20:19
  of,
• 20:19
  of
• 20:19
  working
• 20:20
  in
• 20:20
  tv,
• 20:20
  even
• 20:21
  growing
• 20:21
  up
• 20:21
  as
• 20:21
  a
• 20:21
  kid,
• 20:22
  I've
• 20:22
  never
• 20:22
  been
• 20:22
  the
• 20:22
  type
• 20:23
  of
• 20:23
  person
• 20:23
  that's
• 20:23
  been
• 20:23
  really
• 20:24
  confident
• 20:24
  within
• 20:25
  my
• 20:25
  looks.
• 20:25
  It's
• 20:25
  not,
• 20:26
  I
• 20:26
  don't
• 20:26
  wake
• 20:26
  up
• 20:26
  in
• 20:26
  the
• 20:26
  morning,
• 20:27
  think,
• 20:27
  geez,
• 20:27
  Michelle,
• 20:28
  you're
• 20:28
  bloody
• 20:29
  fit.
• 20:29
  I
• 20:30
  would
• 20:30
  love
• 20:30
  to
• 20:30
  be
• 20:31
  more
• 20:31
  of
• 20:31
  that
• 20:31
  person
• 20:32
  as
• 20:32
  I
• 20:32
  get
• 20:32
  older.
• 20:33
  You
• 20:33
  know,
• 20:34
  I'm
• 20:34
  trying
• 20:34
  to
• 20:34
  like
• 20:35
  get
• 20:35
  there
• 20:35
  and
• 20:35
  be
• 20:36
  like,
• 20:36
  come
• 20:36
  on
• 20:36
  now.
• 20:37
  But
• 20:37
  I've
• 20:37
  never
• 20:37
  been
• 20:37
  that
• 20:37
  type
• 20:38
  of
• 20:38
  person.
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  think
• 20:38
  when
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  was
• 20:39
  younger
• 20:39
  and
• 20:40
  I
• 20:40
  used
• 20:40
  to
• 20:40
  get
• 20:41
  negative
• 20:41
  comments
• 20:41
  about
• 20:42
  my
• 20:42
  looks,
• 20:42
  I
• 20:43
  would
• 20:43
  soak
• 20:43
  it
• 20:43
  in
• 20:43
  a
• 20:43
  bit
• 20:44
  more.
• 20:44
  It
• 20:44
  would
• 20:44
  almost
• 20:44
  be
• 20:45
  like
• 20:45
  trying
• 20:45
  to
• 20:46
  verify
• 20:47
  how
• 20:47
  I
• 20:47
  felt
• 20:47
  about
• 20:47
  myself.
• 20:48
  But
• 20:49
  even
• 20:49
  then
• 20:50
  there's
• 20:50
  always
• 20:50
  been
• 20:51
  something
• 20:51
  in
• 20:51
  me
• 20:51
  that
• 20:51
  would
• 20:52
  just
• 20:52
  kind
• 20:52
  of
• 20:53
  do
• 20:53
  things
• 20:54
  despite
• 20:54
  that.
• 20:55
  Like,
• 20:56
  yeah,
• 20:56
  there
• 20:56
  is,
• 20:57
  there's
• 20:57
  Plenty
• 20:57
  of
• 20:58
  times.
• 20:58
  Well,
• 20:58
  I'll
• 20:59
  sit
• 21:00
  on
• 21:00
  telly
• 21:01
  live
• 21:01
  in
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  morning,
• 21:02
  the
• 21:02
  monitors
• 21:02
  there
• 21:03
  and
• 21:03
  I'll
• 21:03
  look.
• 21:04
  I
• 21:04
  don't
• 21:04
  feel
• 21:04
  confident
• 21:05
  with
• 21:05
  the
• 21:05
  way
• 21:06
  I
• 21:06
  look
• 21:06
  today
• 21:07
  despite
• 21:07
  having
• 21:07
  a
• 21:08
  lovely
• 21:08
  experience
• 21:08
  and
• 21:09
  makeup
• 21:09
  or
• 21:09
  whatever
• 21:09
  it
• 21:10
  might
• 21:10
  be.
• 21:11
  But
• 21:11
  am
• 21:12
  I
• 21:12
  going
• 21:12
  to
• 21:12
  smash
• 21:12
  this
• 21:12
  show
• 21:13
  and
• 21:13
  do
• 21:13
  a
• 21:13
  cracking
• 21:14
  show?
• 21:14
  Yeah.
• 21:15
  And
• 21:15
  am
• 21:16
  I
• 21:16
  going
• 21:16
  to
• 21:16
  come
• 21:16
  away
• 21:16
  and
• 21:17
  feel
• 21:17
  good
• 21:18
  in
• 21:18
  myself
• 21:18
  overall?
• 21:19
  Yes.
• 21:20
  And
• 21:20
  is
• 21:20
  that
• 21:20
  going
• 21:21
  to
• 21:21
  be
• 21:21
  influenced
• 21:21
  by
• 21:22
  some
• 21:22
  random
• 21:22
  person
• 21:23
  on
• 21:23
  social
• 21:23
  media?
• 21:24
  No.
• 21:25
  You
• 21:25
  know,
• 21:26
  I
• 21:26
  love
• 21:26
  this,
• 21:27
  this
• 21:27
  whole
• 21:27
  attitude
• 21:28
  because
• 21:28
  I
• 21:28
  think
• 21:28
  everyone
• 21:29
  watching
• 21:29
  will
• 21:30
  relate
• 21:30
  to
• 21:31
  this,
• 21:31
  that
• 21:31
  it
• 21:32
  is
• 21:32
  hard
• 21:33
  sometimes,
• 21:33
  you
• 21:33
  know,
• 21:33
  you
• 21:33
  get
• 21:34
  up
• 21:34
  and
• 21:34
  when
• 21:34
  we're
• 21:35
  putting
• 21:35
  ourselves
• 21:35
  in
• 21:35
  the
• 21:36
  public
• 21:36
  eye,
• 21:36
  I
• 21:37
  mean,
• 21:37
  I
• 21:37
  remember
• 21:37
  back
• 21:37
  to
• 21:38
  a
• 21:38
  time
• 21:38
  where
• 21:38
  social
• 21:38
  media
• 21:39
  didn't
• 21:39
  even
• 21:39
  exist.
• 21:40
  Like
• 21:40
  my
• 21:41
  whole
• 21:41
  dawn
• 21:41
  of
• 21:41
  a
• 21:41
  new
• 21:41
  era.
• 21:42
  I
• 21:42
  feel
• 21:42
  like
• 21:42
  I
• 21:43
  started
• 21:43
  my
• 21:43
  business
• 21:43
  when
• 21:43
  the
• 21:44
  Internet
• 21:44
  began.
• 21:44
  My
• 21:45
  first
• 21:45
  agency.
• 21:46
  And
• 21:47
  one
• 21:47
  of
• 21:47
  the
• 21:47
  things
• 21:47
  is
• 21:48
  I
• 21:48
  got
• 21:48
  a
• 21:48
  fellowship
• 21:49
  from
• 21:49
  the
• 21:49
  Royal
• 21:49
  Society
• 21:50
  of
• 21:51
  Manufacture
• 21:51
  Arts
• 21:52
  and
• 21:52
  Commerce
• 21:52
  and
• 21:53
  I
• 21:53
  was
• 21:53
  the
• 21:53
  youngest
• 21:53
  person,
• 21:54
  the
• 21:54
  youngest
• 21:54
  fellow
• 21:54
  and
• 21:54
  I
• 21:54
  was
• 21:55
  a
• 21:55
  woman
• 21:55
  and
• 21:55
  that
• 21:55
  was
• 21:55
  very
• 21:56
  much
• 21:56
  pointed
• 21:56
  out.
• 21:57
  And
• 21:58
  what
• 21:58
  it
• 21:58
  was
• 21:59
  for
• 21:59
  was
• 21:59
  getting
• 21:59
  businesses
• 22:00
  into
• 22:00
  social
• 22:01
  media.
• 22:01
  So
• 22:01
  I
• 22:01
  laugh
• 22:02
  now.
• 22:02
  It's
• 22:02
  about
• 22:03
  this
• 22:03
  whole
• 22:03
  kind
• 22:03
  of
• 22:03
  thing
• 22:04
  where
• 22:04
  visibility
• 22:05
  piece
• 22:06
  is
• 22:06
  constant
• 22:07
  24
• 22:07
  7.
• 22:07
  Like
• 22:07
  kids
• 22:08
  come
• 22:08
  home
• 22:08
  from
• 22:08
  school,
• 22:08
  they
• 22:08
  can't
• 22:09
  get
• 22:09
  away
• 22:09
  from
• 22:09
  it.
• 22:09
  I
• 22:10
  used
• 22:10
  to
• 22:10
  come
• 22:10
  home
• 22:10
  from
• 22:10
  school
• 22:11
  and
• 22:11
  you
• 22:12
  were
• 22:12
  in
• 22:12
  a
• 22:12
  safe
• 22:13
  zone.
• 22:13
  Yeah,
• 22:14
  yeah.
• 22:14
  You
• 22:15
  didn't
• 22:15
  have
• 22:15
  any
• 22:15
  contact
• 22:16
  apart
• 22:16
  from,
• 22:16
  you
• 22:16
  know,
• 22:16
  trying
• 22:16
  to
• 22:16
  get
• 22:17
  on
• 22:17
  the
• 22:17
  phone
• 22:17
  when
• 22:18
  someone
• 22:18
  wasn't
• 22:18
  trying
• 22:18
  to
• 22:18
  use
• 22:19
  the
• 22:19
  Internet.
• 22:19
  And
• 22:20
  those
• 22:20
  days
• 22:20
  did
• 22:20
  happen.
• 22:21
  But
• 22:22
  what
• 22:22
  we're
• 22:23
  in
• 22:23
  now
• 22:23
  is
• 22:23
  this
• 22:24
  constant
• 22:24
  kind
• 22:24
  of
• 22:25
  like
• 22:25
  visibility
• 22:25
  piece.
• 22:26
  And
• 22:26
  I
• 22:26
  think
• 22:26
  with
• 22:26
  personal
• 22:27
  branding
• 22:27
  it
• 22:27
  feels
• 22:27
  like
• 22:28
  you
• 22:28
  have
• 22:28
  to
• 22:28
  be
• 22:28
  on
• 22:29
  24
• 22:30
  service
• 22:30
  and
• 22:31
  I
• 22:31
  think
• 22:31
  that's
• 22:31
  very
• 22:31
  difficult
• 22:32
  because
• 22:32
  there's
• 22:32
  some
• 22:32
  days
• 22:33
  that
• 22:33
  you
• 22:33
  just
• 22:33
  don't
• 22:33
  feel
• 22:34
  like
• 22:34
  doing
• 22:34
  it,
• 22:34
  but
• 22:34
  you
• 22:34
  have
• 22:35
  to
• 22:35
  get
• 22:35
  up
• 22:35
  and
• 22:35
  do
• 22:35
  it
• 22:35
  again.
• 22:36
  And
• 22:36
  we
• 22:36
  were
• 22:36
  talking
• 22:37
  about
• 22:37
  this
• 22:37
  outside
• 22:38
  in
• 22:38
  the
• 22:38
  sunshine.
• 22:39
  But
• 22:40
  when
• 22:41
  you
• 22:41
  grow
• 22:42
  up,
• 22:42
  we
• 22:42
  are
• 22:43
  faced
• 22:43
  with
• 22:43
  things
• 22:43
  all
• 22:44
  of
• 22:44
  the
• 22:44
  time
• 22:44
  as
• 22:45
  women
• 22:45
  that
• 22:45
  we
• 22:45
  have
• 22:46
  to
• 22:46
  do,
• 22:47
  but
• 22:47
  we
• 22:47
  take
• 22:47
  on
• 22:47
  board
• 22:48
  sometimes
• 22:48
  some
• 22:48
  of
• 22:48
  the
• 22:49
  societal
• 22:49
  norms
• 22:50
  and
• 22:50
  we
• 22:50
  don't
• 22:50
  even
• 22:51
  realize
• 22:51
  that,
• 22:51
  you
• 22:51
  know,
• 22:51
  we've
• 22:52
  been
• 22:52
  conditioned
• 22:52
  that
• 22:52
  much
• 22:52
  that
• 22:53
  we're
• 22:53
  doing
• 22:53
  it.
• 22:53
  We,
• 22:54
  we
• 22:54
  disempower
• 22:54
  people.
• 22:55
  Like
• 22:55
  I
• 22:55
  was
• 22:55
  just
• 22:55
  saying
• 22:56
  to
• 22:56
  you
• 22:56
  before
• 22:56
  that,
• 22:56
  you
• 22:57
  know,
• 22:57
  I've
• 22:57
  gone
• 22:57
  for
• 22:57
  a
• 22:57
  day
• 22:58
  to
• 22:58
  London
• 22:58
  and
• 22:59
  I've
• 22:59
  said
• 22:59
  to
• 22:59
  my
• 22:59
  partner,
• 23:00
  here's
• 23:00
  your
• 23:00
  lunch.
• 23:01
  You
• 23:01
  know,
• 23:01
  he's
• 23:01
  a
• 23:01
  50
• 23:02
  odd
• 23:02
  year
• 23:02
  old
• 23:02
  man,
• 23:03
  I
• 23:03
  think
• 23:03
  he
• 23:03
  can
• 23:03
  probably
• 23:04
  find.
• 23:05
  But
• 23:05
  I
• 23:06
  see
• 23:06
  myself
• 23:06
  going
• 23:06
  into
• 23:07
  this,
• 23:07
  you
• 23:07
  know,
• 23:07
  and
• 23:07
  disempowering
• 23:08
  people.
• 23:09
  Where
• 23:10
  do
• 23:10
  you
• 23:10
  sit
• 23:10
  in
• 23:11
  Terms
• 23:11
  of
• 23:12
  where
• 23:12
  you
• 23:12
  think
• 23:13
  societal
• 23:13
  norms
• 23:14
  have
• 23:14
  got
• 23:14
  a
• 23:14
  positive
• 23:15
  now,
• 23:15
  like
• 23:15
  how
• 23:16
  women
• 23:16
  are
• 23:16
  embracing
• 23:17
  them
• 23:17
  and
• 23:17
  using
• 23:17
  them
• 23:17
  in
• 23:18
  a
• 23:18
  good
• 23:18
  way.
• 23:18
  Do
• 23:19
  you
• 23:19
  think
• 23:19
  we're
• 23:19
  dismantling
• 23:20
  some
• 23:20
  of
• 23:20
  the
• 23:20
  stigma?
• 23:21
  Do
• 23:21
  you
• 23:21
  think
• 23:21
  we
• 23:21
  are
• 23:21
  forging
• 23:22
  forward?
• 23:23
  I
• 23:23
  really
• 23:23
  do
• 23:24
  think
• 23:24
  we
• 23:24
  are.
• 23:24
  And
• 23:24
  for
• 23:24
  all,
• 23:25
  you
• 23:25
  know,
• 23:26
  the
• 23:26
  negativity
• 23:27
  that
• 23:27
  we've
• 23:27
  been
• 23:27
  talking
• 23:28
  about
• 23:28
  regarding
• 23:29
  social
• 23:29
  media
• 23:30
  and
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  trolling,
• 23:31
  I
• 23:31
  think
• 23:31
  this
• 23:31
  is
• 23:32
  where
• 23:32
  social
• 23:32
  media
• 23:32
  can
• 23:32
  actually
• 23:33
  come
• 23:33
  into
• 23:33
  its
• 23:34
  own.
• 23:34
  Because
• 23:35
  again,
• 23:35
  for
• 23:36
  all
• 23:36
  the.
• 23:36
  The
• 23:36
  stress
• 23:37
  that
• 23:37
  we
• 23:37
  do
• 23:37
  put
• 23:37
  on
• 23:38
  ourselves
• 23:38
  as
• 23:38
  women,
• 23:39
  to
• 23:39
  be
• 23:39
  doing
• 23:39
  things
• 23:39
  all
• 23:40
  of
• 23:40
  the
• 23:40
  time
• 23:40
  and
• 23:41
  when
• 23:41
  it
• 23:41
  comes
• 23:41
  to
• 23:41
  social
• 23:41
  media,
• 23:42
  to
• 23:42
  be
• 23:42
  posting
• 23:43
  about
• 23:43
  our
• 23:43
  businesses,
• 23:44
  to
• 23:44
  be
• 23:44
  posting
• 23:44
  about
• 23:44
  what
• 23:44
  we're
• 23:45
  doing
• 23:45
  on
• 23:45
  live
• 23:45
  television,
• 23:46
  to
• 23:46
  be
• 23:46
  telling
• 23:46
  everyone
• 23:47
  about
• 23:47
  a
• 23:47
  new
• 23:47
  series,
• 23:47
  this,
• 23:48
  this,
• 23:48
  this
• 23:48
  and
• 23:48
  this,
• 23:48
  as
• 23:49
  well
• 23:49
  as
• 23:49
  our
• 23:49
  home
• 23:49
  life.
• 23:50
  Look,
• 23:50
  I'm
• 23:50
  a
• 23:50
  normal
• 23:50
  person.
• 23:50
  I'm
• 23:51
  doing
• 23:51
  this
• 23:51
  too.
• 23:51
  It's
• 23:52
  a
• 23:52
  lot.
• 23:53
  But
• 23:53
  it's
• 23:53
  also
• 23:53
  a
• 23:54
  platform
• 23:54
  where
• 23:55
  people
• 23:55
  can,
• 23:56
  if
• 23:56
  they
• 23:57
  want
• 23:57
  to
• 23:57
  be,
• 23:58
  be
• 23:58
  really
• 23:58
  honest
• 23:59
  and
• 24:00
  open
• 24:00
  about
• 24:00
  their
• 24:00
  views,
• 24:01
  their
• 24:01
  opinions,
• 24:01
  and
• 24:01
  communicate
• 24:02
  with
• 24:02
  other
• 24:03
  women,
• 24:03
  with
• 24:04
  societies,
• 24:04
  and
• 24:04
  actually,
• 24:05
  as
• 24:05
  you
• 24:05
  say,
• 24:06
  break
• 24:06
  those
• 24:06
  norms
• 24:07
  down.
• 24:07
  And
• 24:08
  that
• 24:08
  is
• 24:08
  the
• 24:08
  one
• 24:08
  thing
• 24:08
  that
• 24:09
  I
• 24:09
  do
• 24:10
  really
• 24:10
  like
• 24:11
  about
• 24:11
  social
• 24:12
  media,
• 24:12
  to
• 24:12
  be
• 24:13
  able
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  have
• 24:13
  that
• 24:13
  connection,
• 24:14
  even
• 24:14
  have
• 24:14
  that
• 24:15
  connection
• 24:15
  over
• 24:16
  a
• 24:16
  platform
• 24:16
  with
• 24:17
  your
• 24:17
  friends
• 24:17
  that
• 24:17
  you've
• 24:17
  not
• 24:18
  seen
• 24:18
  for
• 24:18
  a
• 24:18
  while,
• 24:18
  with
• 24:18
  people
• 24:19
  that
• 24:19
  you
• 24:19
  do
• 24:19
  align
• 24:19
  with
• 24:20
  and
• 24:20
  that
• 24:20
  you
• 24:20
  relate
• 24:21
  to.
• 24:21
  And
• 24:21
  I
• 24:21
  think
• 24:22
  that
• 24:22
  actually
• 24:23
  it's.
• 24:23
  What
• 24:23
  do
• 24:23
  they
• 24:23
  say,
• 24:23
  A
• 24:24
  rising
• 24:24
  tide
• 24:24
  lifts
• 24:25
  all
• 24:25
  the
• 24:25
  ships.
• 24:25
  It
• 24:26
  bolsters
• 24:27
  us
• 24:27
  all
• 24:27
  and
• 24:27
  it
• 24:27
  makes
• 24:28
  us
• 24:28
  question
• 24:29
  ourselves
• 24:29
  as
• 24:29
  well.
• 24:30
  You
• 24:30
  start
• 24:30
  seeing
• 24:31
  things
• 24:31
  in
• 24:31
  other
• 24:31
  people
• 24:32
  and
• 24:32
  thinking,
• 24:33
  actually.
• 24:33
  Yes.
• 24:33
  Or
• 24:34
  reading
• 24:34
  things
• 24:34
  and
• 24:35
  think
• 24:35
  that
• 24:36
  makes
• 24:36
  sense.
• 24:36
  I
• 24:36
  hadn't
• 24:36
  thought
• 24:37
  about
• 24:37
  that
• 24:37
  before.
• 24:38
  Yes,
• 24:38
  I'm
• 24:38
  going
• 24:39
  to.
• 24:39
  I'm
• 24:39
  going
• 24:39
  to
• 24:39
  push
• 24:40
  the
• 24:40
  boundaries
• 24:40
  in
• 24:40
  this
• 24:40
  way.
• 24:41
  I'm
• 24:41
  going
• 24:41
  to
• 24:41
  go
• 24:41
  home
• 24:41
  and
• 24:42
  have
• 24:42
  a
• 24:42
  conversation
• 24:43
  with
• 24:43
  my
• 24:43
  husband
• 24:44
  about
• 24:44
  that
• 24:44
  or
• 24:45
  speak
• 24:45
  to
• 24:45
  my
• 24:45
  kids
• 24:45
  about
• 24:46
  that.
• 24:46
  In
• 24:47
  that
• 24:47
  respect,
• 24:47
  it
• 24:48
  does
• 24:48
  push
• 24:49
  things
• 24:49
  forward.
• 24:49
  And
• 24:49
  I
• 24:49
  think,
• 24:50
  you
• 24:50
  know,
• 24:51
  we're
• 24:51
  all
• 24:51
  evolving
• 24:52
  all
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  time.
• 24:53
  We
• 24:53
  don't
• 24:53
  know
• 24:54
  everything,
• 24:54
  you
• 24:55
  know,
• 24:55
  and
• 24:55
  there
• 24:56
  are
• 24:56
  habits
• 24:56
  that
• 24:57
  we
• 24:57
  all
• 24:57
  have,
• 24:57
  like
• 24:57
  we
• 24:57
  were
• 24:58
  talking
• 24:58
  about
• 24:58
  and
• 24:58
  those
• 24:59
  gender
• 24:59
  roles
• 25:00
  within
• 25:00
  society.
• 25:01
  I'm
• 25:01
  very
• 25:01
  much
• 25:01
  a
• 25:01
  person
• 25:02
  that
• 25:02
  will.
• 25:02
  As
• 25:02
  soon
• 25:03
  as
• 25:03
  I
• 25:03
  walk
• 25:03
  in
• 25:03
  my
• 25:04
  home,
• 25:04
  I'm
• 25:04
  like,
• 25:04
  right,
• 25:04
  what
• 25:05
  needs
• 25:05
  doing?
• 25:05
  I'd
• 25:06
  be
• 25:06
  like,
• 25:06
  putting
• 25:06
  the
• 25:06
  washing
• 25:07
  on,
• 25:07
  taking
• 25:07
  the
• 25:07
  drying
• 25:07
  out,
• 25:07
  dah,
• 25:08
  dah,
• 25:08
  dah.
• 25:08
  Empty
• 25:08
  the
• 25:08
  dresser.
• 25:09
  And
• 25:09
  then
• 25:09
  my
• 25:10
  partner
• 25:10
  is
• 25:11
  very
• 25:11
  good
• 25:11
  at
• 25:11
  coming
• 25:12
  in,
• 25:12
  sitting
• 25:12
  down
• 25:12
  and
• 25:13
  having
• 25:13
  a
• 25:13
  moment.
• 25:14
  Minus
• 25:14
  two.
• 25:15
  Is
• 25:16
  that
• 25:16
  strange?
• 25:17
  Like,
• 25:17
  I
• 25:17
  need
• 25:17
  to
• 25:18
  take
• 25:18
  a
• 25:18
  leaf
• 25:18
  out
• 25:18
  of
• 25:18
  this
• 25:19
  book.
• 25:19
  Like,
• 25:20
  what
• 25:20
  would
• 25:20
  happen
• 25:20
  if
• 25:20
  we
• 25:20
  flip
• 25:21
  the
• 25:21
  script
• 25:21
  here?
• 25:21
  And
• 25:22
  I'm
• 25:22
  like,
• 25:22
  right
• 25:22
  within
• 25:23
  I'm
• 25:23
  just
• 25:23
  sitting
• 25:24
  right
• 25:24
  down
• 25:24
  and
• 25:24
  he'd
• 25:25
  probably
• 25:25
  look
• 25:25
  at
• 25:25
  me
• 25:25
  think,
• 25:25
  well,
• 25:26
  that's
• 25:26
  not
• 25:27
  like
• 25:27
  you,
• 25:27
  Michelle.
• 25:27
  But
• 25:28
  I
• 25:28
  like
• 25:28
  it.
• 25:28
  You
• 25:29
  know,
• 25:29
  there's,
• 25:29
  there's
• 25:29
  ways
• 25:30
  that
• 25:30
  we
• 25:30
  can
• 25:30
  kind
• 25:30
  of
• 25:31
  push
• 25:31
  our
• 25:32
  own
• 25:32
  boundaries
• 25:33
  and
• 25:33
  not
• 25:33
  just
• 25:34
  look
• 25:34
  at
• 25:34
  other
• 25:34
  people
• 25:34
  and
• 25:34
  think,
• 25:34
  well,
• 25:35
  why
• 25:35
  are
• 25:35
  you
• 25:35
  doing
• 25:35
  that?
• 25:36
  Like
• 25:36
  that?
• 25:36
  You
• 25:36
  know,
• 25:36
  it's
• 25:37
  interesting
• 25:37
  when
• 25:37
  you
• 25:37
  start
• 25:38
  making
• 25:38
  changes
• 25:38
  within
• 25:38
  yourself,
• 25:39
  what
• 25:40
  actually
• 25:40
  starts
• 25:40
  to
• 25:40
  happen
• 25:41
  around
• 25:42
  you
• 25:42
  and
• 25:42
  how
• 25:43
  you
• 25:43
  can
• 25:43
  move
• 25:43
  forward
• 25:44
  from
• 25:44
  that.
• 25:45
  And
• 25:45
  that's
• 25:45
  where
• 25:45
  I
• 25:45
  think,
• 25:46
  yeah,
• 25:46
  social
• 25:47
  media
• 25:47
  and
• 25:47
  having
• 25:47
  that
• 25:48
  kind
• 25:48
  of
• 25:48
  awareness
• 25:49
  and
• 25:49
  wanting
• 25:49
  to
• 25:49
  question
• 25:50
  yourself
• 25:51
  is
• 25:51
  so
• 25:51
  important.
• 25:52
  Yeah.
• 25:52
  Because
• 25:52
  social
• 25:52
  media,
• 25:53
  I
• 25:53
  feel,
• 25:53
  can
• 25:53
  be
• 25:54
  a
• 25:54
  real,
• 25:54
  true
• 25:54
  vehicle
• 25:55
  of
• 25:55
  change.
• 25:55
  And
• 25:56
  I
• 25:56
  love
• 25:57
  social
• 25:57
  media
• 25:57
  for
• 25:57
  that
• 25:58
  aspect.
• 25:58
  I'm
• 25:59
  quite
• 25:59
  good
• 25:59
  at
• 25:59
  zoning
• 25:59
  out
• 26:00
  the
• 26:00
  white
• 26:00
  noise
• 26:00
  and
• 26:01
  I
• 26:01
  just
• 26:01
  kind
• 26:01
  of
• 26:01
  embrace
• 26:02
  the
• 26:02
  things
• 26:02
  I
• 26:02
  want
• 26:02
  to
• 26:02
  get
• 26:02
  involved
• 26:03
  with.
• 26:04
  And
• 26:04
  I've
• 26:05
  always
• 26:05
  been
• 26:05
  really
• 26:05
  passionate
• 26:06
  about
• 26:06
  building
• 26:06
  kind
• 26:07
  of
• 26:07
  community
• 26:07
  that
• 26:08
  I
• 26:08
  want
• 26:08
  on
• 26:08
  social
• 26:09
  media.
• 26:10
  So
• 26:10
  for
• 26:10
  me,
• 26:10
  it's
• 26:11
  like
• 26:11
  the
• 26:11
  numbers
• 26:11
  are
• 26:11
  almost
• 26:12
  vanity,
• 26:13
  but
• 26:13
  the,
• 26:13
  the
• 26:14
  quality
• 26:14
  of
• 26:14
  the
• 26:14
  people
• 26:15
  and
• 26:15
  it's
• 26:16
  like
• 26:16
  I
• 26:16
  literally
• 26:17
  messaged
• 26:17
  you
• 26:18
  on
• 26:18
  Instagram
• 26:19
  and,
• 26:19
  you
• 26:19
  know,
• 26:19
  here
• 26:20
  we
• 26:20
  are
• 26:20
  today
• 26:20
  in
• 26:20
  London.
• 26:21
  This
• 26:21
  is
• 26:21
  what
• 26:21
  I
• 26:21
  love
• 26:21
  about
• 26:22
  social
• 26:22
  media,
• 26:23
  that
• 26:23
  we
• 26:24
  can
• 26:24
  just
• 26:24
  reach
• 26:24
  out
• 26:24
  to
• 26:25
  people,
• 26:25
  we
• 26:25
  can
• 26:25
  have
• 26:26
  those
• 26:26
  conversations
• 26:27
  now.
• 26:27
  One
• 26:28
  of
• 26:28
  the
• 26:28
  things
• 26:28
  that
• 26:29
  I
• 26:29
  know
• 26:29
  about
• 26:29
  you
• 26:29
  is
• 26:30
  that
• 26:30
  you
• 26:30
  are
• 26:31
  very
• 26:31
  passionate
• 26:31
  about
• 26:32
  charity.
• 26:33
  And
• 26:33
  I
• 26:33
  actually
• 26:34
  saw
• 26:34
  you
• 26:34
  speak
• 26:35
  at
• 26:35
  SmartWorks
• 26:36
  event.
• 26:36
  Of
• 26:37
  course,
• 26:37
  it
• 26:37
  was
• 26:37
  a
• 26:37
  fizz
• 26:37
  and
• 26:38
  fashion
• 26:38
  event.
• 26:39
  And
• 26:39
  you're
• 26:39
  one
• 26:40
  of
• 26:40
  the
• 26:40
  longest
• 26:40
  standing
• 26:41
  ambassadors,
• 26:41
  I
• 26:41
  think,
• 26:41
  for
• 26:42
  Smart
• 26:42
  Works.
• 26:43
  And
• 26:43
  we're
• 26:43
  both
• 26:43
  very
• 26:44
  passionate
• 26:44
  about
• 26:44
  this
• 26:44
  charity.
• 26:45
  Tell
• 26:46
  me
• 26:46
  a
• 26:46
  little
• 26:46
  bit
• 26:46
  about
• 26:47
  how
• 26:47
  you
• 26:47
  got
• 26:47
  involved
• 26:47
  in
• 26:47
  it,
• 26:48
  because
• 26:48
  it's
• 26:48
  an
• 26:48
  amazing
• 26:48
  charity.
• 26:49
  It
• 26:49
  really
• 26:49
  is.
• 26:50
  It
• 26:50
  really
• 26:50
  is.
• 26:50
  And
• 26:51
  the
• 26:51
  whole
• 26:51
  focus
• 26:51
  on
• 26:52
  the
• 26:52
  charity
• 26:52
  is
• 26:53
  to
• 26:53
  inspire,
• 26:54
  empower
• 26:55
  women
• 26:56
  to
• 26:56
  be
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  best
• 26:57
  version
• 26:57
  of
• 26:58
  themselves,
• 26:58
  get
• 26:58
  them
• 26:59
  a
• 26:59
  foot
• 26:59
  on
• 26:59
  the
• 26:59
  ladder.
• 27:00
  And
• 27:00
  it's,
• 27:01
  it's
• 27:01
  amazing
• 27:02
  working
• 27:02
  with
• 27:02
  incredible
• 27:02
  women.
• 27:03
  And
• 27:03
  actually
• 27:03
  it
• 27:04
  was
• 27:04
  through
• 27:04
  an
• 27:04
  incredible
• 27:05
  woman
• 27:05
  that
• 27:05
  I
• 27:05
  ended
• 27:06
  up
• 27:06
  working
• 27:06
  with
• 27:06
  the
• 27:06
  charity.
• 27:07
  So
• 27:07
  one
• 27:08
  of
• 27:08
  my
• 27:08
  old
• 27:08
  bosses
• 27:09
  within
• 27:09
  BBC,
• 27:10
  who
• 27:10
  was
• 27:10
  actually
• 27:11
  the
• 27:11
  person
• 27:12
  that
• 27:13
  changed
• 27:13
  my
• 27:14
  contract
• 27:14
  once
• 27:14
  I'd
• 27:14
  done
• 27:15
  my
• 27:15
  four
• 27:15
  week
• 27:15
  unpaid
• 27:16
  work
• 27:16
  experience
• 27:17
  placement.
• 27:17
  Oh,
• 27:18
  I
• 27:18
  love
• 27:18
  this.
• 27:19
  She
• 27:19
  was
• 27:19
  the
• 27:19
  one
• 27:20
  that
• 27:20
  actually
• 27:20
  called
• 27:21
  me
• 27:21
  into
• 27:21
  her
• 27:21
  office
• 27:21
  and
• 27:22
  said,
• 27:22
  michelle,
• 27:23
  I
• 27:23
  would
• 27:23
  like
• 27:23
  to
• 27:24
  give
• 27:24
  you
• 27:24
  a
• 27:25
  fixed
• 27:25
  term
• 27:25
  contract
• 27:26
  as
• 27:26
  a
• 27:26
  runner
• 27:27
  in
• 27:27
  BBC
• 27:27
  Manchester.
• 27:28
  It
• 27:28
  was
• 27:28
  on,
• 27:29
  you
• 27:29
  know,
• 27:29
  on
• 27:29
  the
• 27:29
  fourth
• 27:29
  floor
• 27:30
  in
• 27:30
  Manchester,
• 27:31
  Oxford
• 27:31
  Road,
• 27:32
  in
• 27:32
  the
• 27:32
  entertainment
• 27:33
  department.
• 27:33
  And
• 27:33
  I
• 27:33
  remember
• 27:34
  sat
• 27:34
  on
• 27:34
  a
• 27:35
  sofa,
• 27:35
  like
• 27:35
  nearly
• 27:36
  in
• 27:36
  tears.
• 27:36
  And,
• 27:37
  you
• 27:37
  know,
• 27:37
  she
• 27:37
  was,
• 27:38
  she
• 27:39
  was
• 27:39
  incredible,
• 27:40
  you
• 27:40
  know,
• 27:40
  and
• 27:40
  she
• 27:40
  could
• 27:41
  obviously
• 27:41
  see
• 27:42
  something
• 27:42
  within
• 27:43
  me
• 27:43
  and
• 27:43
  she
• 27:44
  was
• 27:44
  an
• 27:44
  incredible
• 27:44
  mentor
• 27:45
  to
• 27:45
  have.
• 27:46
  And
• 27:46
  this
• 27:46
  is
• 27:46
  going
• 27:47
  back
• 27:47
  20
• 27:47
  years
• 27:48
  now,
• 27:48
  this
• 27:48
  is
• 27:48
  like
• 27:48
  back
• 27:49
  in
• 27:49
  2005.
• 27:50
  We
• 27:50
  have
• 27:50
  kept
• 27:50
  in
• 27:51
  touch
• 27:51
  ever
• 27:52
  since.
• 27:52
  We're
• 27:52
  friends.
• 27:53
  And
• 27:53
  I'd
• 27:54
  always
• 27:54
  said
• 27:54
  to
• 27:54
  her,
• 27:54
  even
• 27:55
  throughout
• 27:55
  my.
• 27:55
  My
• 27:56
  time
• 27:56
  at
• 27:56
  the
• 27:56
  BBC,
• 27:56
  I'd
• 27:57
  always
• 27:57
  be
• 27:57
  going
• 27:58
  to
• 27:58
  her
• 27:58
  for
• 27:58
  advice
• 27:59
  and
• 27:59
  say,
• 27:59
  caroline,
• 28:00
  I'm
• 28:00
  looking
• 28:00
  to
• 28:01
  do.
• 28:01
  Set
• 28:01
  up
• 28:01
  some
• 28:02
  kind
• 28:02
  of
• 28:02
  mentorship
• 28:02
  scheme,
• 28:03
  or
• 28:03
  what
• 28:03
  else
• 28:03
  can
• 28:03
  I
• 28:04
  be
• 28:04
  doing
• 28:04
  within
• 28:04
  the
• 28:04
  BBC
• 28:05
  that
• 28:05
  can
• 28:05
  help
• 28:05
  other
• 28:05
  people
• 28:05
  that
• 28:05
  might
• 28:06
  be
• 28:06
  coming
• 28:06
  in,
• 28:07
  you
• 28:07
  know,
• 28:07
  and,
• 28:08
  and
• 28:08
  how
• 28:08
  can
• 28:09
  I
• 28:09
  help
• 28:09
  with
• 28:09
  their
• 28:10
  progress?
• 28:11
  So
• 28:11
  she
• 28:11
  knew
• 28:12
  I
• 28:12
  was
• 28:12
  always
• 28:12
  interested
• 28:13
  in,
• 28:13
  in
• 28:14
  trying
• 28:14
  to
• 28:14
  help
• 28:14
  others
• 28:15
  and
• 28:15
  in
• 28:16
  different
• 28:16
  ways,
• 28:16
  and
• 28:17
  she'd
• 28:17
  been
• 28:17
  a
• 28:17
  part
• 28:17
  of.
• 28:18
  Of
• 28:18
  the
• 28:18
  charity,
• 28:19
  so
• 28:19
  it
• 28:19
  was
• 28:19
  actually
• 28:20
  through
• 28:20
  her
• 28:20
  that
• 28:20
  she
• 28:20
  said,
• 28:21
  michelle,
• 28:21
  do
• 28:22
  you
• 28:22
  want
• 28:22
  to
• 28:22
  come
• 28:22
  to
• 28:22
  one
• 28:23
  of
• 28:23
  the
• 28:23
  events
• 28:23
  with
• 28:23
  me?
• 28:24
  Because
• 28:24
  I
• 28:24
  think
• 28:25
  actually
• 28:25
  being
• 28:25
  involved
• 28:26
  in
• 28:26
  this
• 28:26
  would
• 28:26
  be
• 28:26
  right
• 28:27
  up
• 28:27
  your
• 28:27
  street.
• 28:28
  So
• 28:28
  she
• 28:28
  introduced
• 28:29
  me
• 28:29
  to
• 28:29
  Jan
• 28:30
  from,
• 28:30
  from
• 28:30
  the
• 28:31
  charity
• 28:31
  and
• 28:31
  we
• 28:31
  had
• 28:31
  a,
• 28:32
  you
• 28:32
  know,
• 28:32
  a
• 28:32
  lovely
• 28:33
  lunch,
• 28:33
  the
• 28:33
  three
• 28:33
  of
• 28:34
  us,
• 28:34
  and
• 28:34
  then
• 28:35
  it
• 28:35
  literally
• 28:35
  continued
• 28:36
  from
• 28:36
  there.
• 28:36
  You
• 28:36
  know,
• 28:36
  I've
• 28:37
  involved
• 28:37
  in
• 28:37
  various
• 28:38
  events,
• 28:39
  workshops,
• 28:40
  talks,
• 28:41
  and
• 28:41
  you
• 28:41
  were
• 28:41
  talking
• 28:42
  about
• 28:42
  community
• 28:42
  earlier.
• 28:43
  That's
• 28:44
  what
• 28:44
  this
• 28:44
  charity
• 28:44
  is
• 28:45
  for
• 28:45
  me.
• 28:45
  It's
• 28:46
  an
• 28:46
  incredible
• 28:46
  community.
• 28:47
  When
• 28:47
  you're
• 28:47
  in
• 28:47
  a
• 28:47
  space,
• 28:48
  as
• 28:48
  you
• 28:49
  know,
• 28:49
  with
• 28:50
  many
• 28:51
  women,
• 28:52
  women
• 28:52
  who
• 28:53
  have
• 28:53
  a
• 28:53
  voice,
• 28:53
  but
• 28:54
  women
• 28:54
  who
• 28:54
  are
• 28:54
  in
• 28:54
  the
• 28:55
  process
• 28:55
  of
• 28:55
  finding
• 28:56
  their
• 28:56
  voice
• 28:56
  and
• 28:57
  then
• 28:57
  women
• 28:57
  that
• 28:57
  choose
• 28:57
  to
• 28:58
  use
• 28:58
  it
• 28:58
  within
• 28:58
  that
• 28:58
  space
• 28:59
  and
• 28:59
  tell
• 28:59
  you
• 28:59
  their
• 28:59
  story
• 29:00
  gives
• 29:00
  you
• 29:00
  goosebumps,
• 29:01
  it
• 29:02
  empowers
• 29:02
  you
• 29:03
  and
• 29:03
  it's
• 29:03
  almost.
• 29:04
  It's
• 29:04
  like
• 29:04
  ping
• 29:04
  pong.
• 29:05
  It's
• 29:05
  like
• 29:06
  throwing
• 29:06
  a
• 29:06
  ball
• 29:06
  in
• 29:07
  a,
• 29:07
  I
• 29:07
  don't
• 29:07
  know,
• 29:07
  bouncy
• 29:08
  squash
• 29:08
  court
• 29:08
  and
• 29:08
  you
• 29:09
  just
• 29:09
  see
• 29:09
  it
• 29:09
  bouncing,
• 29:09
  bouncing
• 29:10
  back.
• 29:10
  All
• 29:11
  this
• 29:11
  energy
• 29:11
  is
• 29:11
  kind
• 29:11
  of
• 29:12
  bouncing
• 29:12
  around
• 29:12
  the
• 29:12
  room
• 29:13
  and
• 29:13
  we're
• 29:13
  all
• 29:14
  helping
• 29:14
  each
• 29:14
  other.
• 29:15
  It
• 29:15
  was
• 29:15
  lovely
• 29:15
  to.
• 29:16
  To
• 29:16
  think
• 29:16
  how
• 29:16
  that's
• 29:17
  actually
• 29:17
  all
• 29:17
  come
• 29:17
  from
• 29:18
  full
• 29:18
  circle
• 29:18
  through
• 29:18
  Caroline
• 29:19
  almost
• 29:19
  paying
• 29:20
  it
• 29:20
  forward.
• 29:21
  And
• 29:21
  I've
• 29:21
  been
• 29:22
  able
• 29:22
  to
• 29:22
  help
• 29:22
  other
• 29:22
  people
• 29:23
  through
• 29:23
  that.
• 29:23
  Yeah,
• 29:23
  definitely.
• 29:24
  And
• 29:24
  I
• 29:24
  think
• 29:24
  with
• 29:24
  the
• 29:24
  charity,
• 29:25
  one
• 29:25
  of
• 29:25
  the
• 29:25
  things
• 29:25
  that
• 29:25
  I
• 29:26
  love
• 29:26
  about
• 29:26
  it
• 29:26
  is
• 29:26
  that
• 29:27
  when
• 29:27
  you
• 29:28
  think
• 29:28
  about
• 29:29
  how
• 29:29
  dressing
• 29:30
  makes
• 29:30
  us
• 29:31
  feel,
• 29:31
  and
• 29:31
  the
• 29:31
  fact
• 29:32
  that
• 29:32
  these
• 29:32
  women
• 29:32
  who
• 29:32
  were
• 29:33
  going
• 29:33
  for
• 29:33
  interviews
• 29:34
  and
• 29:34
  there
• 29:34
  was
• 29:34
  one
• 29:34
  woman
• 29:34
  who
• 29:35
  spoke
• 29:35
  at
• 29:35
  that
• 29:35
  event
• 29:35
  that
• 29:35
  we
• 29:35
  met
• 29:36
  at,
• 29:36
  and
• 29:36
  I
• 29:36
  think
• 29:37
  she'd
• 29:37
  been
• 29:37
  to
• 29:37
  like,
• 29:37
  55
• 29:38
  interviews,
• 29:38
  something
• 29:39
  absolutely
• 29:39
  crazy.
• 29:40
  She
• 29:40
  come
• 29:40
  out
• 29:40
  with
• 29:40
  an
• 29:40
  amazing
• 29:41
  job.
• 29:41
  Yeah.
• 29:42
  Couldn't
• 29:42
  get
• 29:42
  a
• 29:42
  new
• 29:42
  job.
• 29:43
  Yeah.
• 29:43
  Came
• 29:44
  to
• 29:44
  Smart
• 29:44
  Works,
• 29:45
  got
• 29:45
  this
• 29:45
  amazing
• 29:46
  sort
• 29:47
  of
• 29:47
  styling
• 29:47
  and,
• 29:48
  you
• 29:48
  know,
• 29:49
  this
• 29:49
  whole
• 29:50
  new
• 29:50
  outfit
• 29:51
  and
• 29:51
  then
• 29:51
  they
• 29:51
  do
• 29:52
  coaching
• 29:52
  as
• 29:52
  well.
• 29:52
  Yes.
• 29:53
  And
• 29:53
  then
• 29:53
  her
• 29:54
  next
• 29:54
  interview
• 29:54
  got
• 29:54
  the
• 29:54
  job.
• 29:55
  And
• 29:55
  I
• 29:55
  think
• 29:55
  it's.
• 29:56
  It's
• 29:56
  these
• 29:56
  things
• 29:57
  that
• 29:57
  we
• 29:57
  see,
• 29:58
  you
• 29:58
  know,
• 29:58
  charities
• 29:59
  like
• 29:59
  that,
• 29:59
  the
• 30:00
  impact
• 30:00
  that
• 30:00
  they
• 30:00
  make.
• 30:01
  And
• 30:01
  I
• 30:01
  Think
• 30:02
  as
• 30:02
  you
• 30:02
  know,
• 30:03
  personal
• 30:03
  brands,
• 30:04
  founders,
• 30:04
  presenters,
• 30:05
  whatever,
• 30:05
  we
• 30:06
  can
• 30:06
  all
• 30:06
  do
• 30:06
  more
• 30:07
  in
• 30:07
  those
• 30:08
  spaces
• 30:08
  and
• 30:09
  it's
• 30:09
  to
• 30:09
  do
• 30:10
  a
• 30:10
  little
• 30:10
  good
• 30:10
  in
• 30:10
  the
• 30:11
  world,
• 30:11
  you
• 30:11
  know,
• 30:11
  to
• 30:11
  give
• 30:11
  back.
• 30:12
  I
• 30:12
  think
• 30:12
  that
• 30:13
  is
• 30:13
  where
• 30:14
  true
• 30:14
  enrichment
• 30:14
  of
• 30:15
  life
• 30:15
  kind
• 30:15
  of
• 30:15
  comes
• 30:16
  from.
• 30:16
  What
• 30:17
  would
• 30:17
  you
• 30:17
  say
• 30:17
  on
• 30:18
  a
• 30:18
  day
• 30:18
  to
• 30:18
  day
• 30:19
  lights
• 30:19
  you
• 30:19
  up?
• 30:19
  What
• 30:20
  makes
• 30:20
  Michelle
• 30:21
  really
• 30:21
  happy?
• 30:22
  It's
• 30:22
  generally
• 30:23
  actually
• 30:23
  feeling
• 30:24
  a
• 30:24
  part
• 30:25
  of
• 30:25
  a
• 30:25
  community,
• 30:26
  of
• 30:27
  a
• 30:27
  part
• 30:27
  of
• 30:27
  a
• 30:27
  society
• 30:28
  and,
• 30:29
  and
• 30:30
  helping
• 30:30
  people,
• 30:31
  you
• 30:31
  know,
• 30:32
  trying
• 30:32
  to
• 30:32
  make
• 30:32
  a
• 30:32
  difference
• 30:33
  within
• 30:34
  my
• 30:34
  role
• 30:34
  as,
• 30:35
  as
• 30:35
  a
• 30:35
  producer
• 30:36
  and
• 30:36
  as
• 30:36
  a
• 30:36
  presenter.
• 30:37
  I
• 30:37
  have
• 30:37
  various
• 30:38
  mentees
• 30:38
  now
• 30:39
  so,
• 30:39
  you
• 30:39
  know,
• 30:39
  people
• 30:39
  might
• 30:40
  reach
• 30:40
  out
• 30:40
  to
• 30:40
  me
• 30:40
  on
• 30:40
  social
• 30:41
  media
• 30:41
  or
• 30:41
  internally
• 30:42
  through
• 30:42
  the
• 30:42
  BBC.
• 30:43
  And
• 30:44
  I
• 30:44
  love
• 30:45
  spending
• 30:45
  time
• 30:46
  actually
• 30:47
  helping
• 30:48
  others.
• 30:48
  And
• 30:48
  it's
• 30:49
  not
• 30:49
  just
• 30:49
  about
• 30:49
  me
• 30:50
  offering
• 30:50
  advice
• 30:50
  and
• 30:51
  saying,
• 30:51
  well,
• 30:51
  I
• 30:51
  did
• 30:51
  this,
• 30:51
  this
• 30:52
  and
• 30:52
  this.
• 30:52
  It's
• 30:52
  actually
• 30:53
  really
• 30:54
  taking
• 30:54
  the
• 30:55
  time
• 30:55
  to
• 30:55
  listen,
• 30:56
  to
• 30:56
  hear
• 30:57
  people
• 30:57
  and
• 30:58
  to
• 30:59
  share
• 30:59
  stories.
• 31:00
  And
• 31:00
  I
• 31:01
  always
• 31:01
  come
• 31:01
  away
• 31:02
  from
• 31:02
  that
• 31:02
  experience
• 31:03
  feeling
• 31:03
  enriched
• 31:04
  and
• 31:05
  feeling
• 31:05
  full,
• 31:06
  feeling
• 31:06
  fulfilled
• 31:07
  and
• 31:07
  knowing
• 31:08
  that
• 31:08
  that
• 31:08
  other
• 31:08
  person
• 31:09
  can
• 31:09
  feel
• 31:10
  the
• 31:10
  same.
• 31:10
  And
• 31:11
  I
• 31:11
  think
• 31:11
  within
• 31:11
  that,
• 31:12
  as
• 31:12
  I've
• 31:12
  gotten
• 31:13
  older,
• 31:14
  another
• 31:14
  thing
• 31:15
  weirdly
• 31:16
  that
• 31:16
  makes
• 31:17
  me
• 31:17
  happy
• 31:17
  is
• 31:17
  actually
• 31:18
  feeling
• 31:19
  confident
• 31:19
  enough
• 31:20
  to
• 31:20
  be
• 31:20
  vulnerable
• 31:21
  in
• 31:21
  certain
• 31:21
  spaces
• 31:22
  and
• 31:23
  being
• 31:23
  honest.
• 31:23
  And
• 31:23
  again,
• 31:23
  going
• 31:24
  back
• 31:24
  to
• 31:24
  smartworks,
• 31:24
  the
• 31:25
  charity,
• 31:25
  you
• 31:25
  know,
• 31:25
  when
• 31:26
  you,
• 31:26
  you're
• 31:26
  listening
• 31:26
  to
• 31:27
  women
• 31:27
  speak,
• 31:28
  they're
• 31:28
  talking
• 31:28
  about
• 31:29
  the
• 31:29
  hardships
• 31:29
  in
• 31:30
  their
• 31:30
  life,
• 31:31
  they're
• 31:31
  connecting
• 31:31
  you
• 31:32
  with
• 31:32
  you
• 31:32
  on
• 31:32
  a
• 31:32
  level
• 31:33
  that
• 31:33
  is
• 31:33
  deeply
• 31:34
  personal,
• 31:35
  but
• 31:35
  sharing
• 31:36
  it
• 31:36
  in
• 31:36
  a
• 31:36
  way
• 31:36
  that
• 31:38
  we
• 31:38
  are
• 31:38
  all
• 31:39
  being
• 31:39
  able
• 31:39
  to
• 31:39
  benefit
• 31:40
  from
• 31:40
  and
• 31:40
  go
• 31:41
  and
• 31:41
  help
• 31:41
  other,
• 31:41
  other
• 31:42
  people.
• 31:42
  And
• 31:43
  I
• 31:43
  just
• 31:43
  think
• 31:44
  to
• 31:44
  get
• 31:45
  to
• 31:45
  a
• 31:45
  point
• 31:45
  where
• 31:46
  whatever
• 31:46
  you're
• 31:46
  doing,
• 31:46
  you're
• 31:46
  getting
• 31:47
  up
• 31:47
  in
• 31:47
  the
• 31:47
  morning
• 31:47
  and
• 31:48
  you're
• 31:48
  getting
• 31:48
  on
• 31:48
  with
• 31:48
  your
• 31:49
  day,
• 31:49
  but
• 31:49
  you
• 31:49
  think,
• 31:49
  okay,
• 31:51
  I
• 31:52
  know
• 31:52
  the
• 31:52
  things
• 31:52
  that
• 31:52
  are
• 31:53
  going
• 31:53
  to
• 31:53
  happen
• 31:53
  that
• 31:53
  are
• 31:53
  within
• 31:53
  my
• 31:54
  control,
• 31:54
  they're
• 31:55
  going
• 31:55
  to
• 31:55
  be
• 31:55
  other
• 31:55
  things
• 31:55
  that
• 31:56
  will
• 31:56
  happen
• 31:56
  today
• 31:56
  that
• 31:56
  are
• 31:57
  without,
• 31:57
  you
• 31:57
  know,
• 31:57
  out
• 31:57
  of
• 31:58
  my
• 31:58
  control.
• 31:58
  But
• 31:59
  I'm
• 31:59
  going
• 31:59
  with
• 31:59
  it.
• 32:00
  There
• 32:00
  are
• 32:00
  times
• 32:01
  when
• 32:01
  I'll
• 32:01
  be
• 32:01
  vulnerable
• 32:02
  and
• 32:02
  honest
• 32:02
  and
• 32:03
  open
• 32:03
  and
• 32:04
  have
• 32:04
  to
• 32:04
  communicate
• 32:04
  and
• 32:05
  that,
• 32:05
  that's
• 32:05
  a
• 32:06
  really
• 32:06
  rich
• 32:06
  kind
• 32:06
  of
• 32:07
  beautiful
• 32:07
  tapestry
• 32:08
  to
• 32:09
  have.
• 32:09
  You
• 32:10
  know,
• 32:10
  it
• 32:10
  kind
• 32:10
  of
• 32:10
  gives
• 32:11
  you
• 32:11
  that
• 32:11
  confidence,
• 32:12
  like
• 32:12
  it's
• 32:12
  okay,
• 32:13
  you
• 32:13
  know,
• 32:14
  and
• 32:14
  it's
• 32:14
  okay.
• 32:15
  And
• 32:15
  I
• 32:15
  think
• 32:15
  what
• 32:16
  I
• 32:16
  love
• 32:16
  about
• 32:16
  this
• 32:16
  conversation
• 32:17
  is
• 32:17
  the
• 32:17
  fact
• 32:18
  that
• 32:18
  nobody
• 32:19
  has
• 32:19
  got
• 32:19
  it
• 32:19
  planned
• 32:20
  and
• 32:20
  now
• 32:21
  24,
• 32:21
  7,
• 32:21
  there
• 32:22
  doesn't
• 32:22
  reach
• 32:22
  a
• 32:22
  point
• 32:23
  in
• 32:23
  your
• 32:23
  20s,
• 32:24
  30s,
• 32:24
  40s,
• 32:25
  whenever
• 32:26
  that
• 32:26
  you
• 32:26
  wake
• 32:26
  up
• 32:26
  and
• 32:26
  you
• 32:27
  think,
• 32:27
  yep,
• 32:27
  I
• 32:27
  nailed
• 32:28
  it.
• 32:28
  You
• 32:28
  know,
• 32:28
  and
• 32:28
  I
• 32:28
  actually
• 32:29
  thought
• 32:29
  that
• 32:29
  they
• 32:29
  did.
• 32:30
  I
• 32:30
  didn't.
• 32:31
  I'm
• 32:31
  not
• 32:31
  going
• 32:31
  to
• 32:31
  lie.
• 32:33
  I'm
• 32:33
  not
• 32:33
  going
• 32:33
  to
• 32:33
  lie.
• 32:34
  I
• 32:34
  thought
• 32:35
  too.
• 32:35
  And
• 32:36
  you
• 32:36
  know,
• 32:36
  the
• 32:36
  thing
• 32:36
  here
• 32:37
  was
• 32:37
  is
• 32:37
  I
• 32:37
  thought
• 32:37
  in
• 32:38
  my
• 32:38
  life
• 32:38
  that
• 32:39
  I
• 32:39
  would
• 32:39
  follow
• 32:40
  some
• 32:40
  of
• 32:40
  the
• 32:40
  societal
• 32:41
  norms.
• 32:41
  I
• 32:41
  totally
• 32:42
  didn't.
• 32:42
  I
• 32:42
  mean,
• 32:43
  not
• 32:43
  really
• 32:43
  a
• 32:43
  conformist
• 32:44
  anyway.
• 32:44
  I've
• 32:44
  always
• 32:44
  challenged
• 32:45
  the
• 32:45
  status
• 32:45
  quo.
• 32:46
  But
• 32:46
  I
• 32:46
  think
• 32:46
  what
• 32:47
  is
• 32:47
  really
• 32:47
  interesting
• 32:48
  is
• 32:48
  when
• 32:48
  I
• 32:49
  reflect
• 32:49
  back
• 32:49
  on
• 32:49
  some
• 32:49
  of
• 32:50
  the
• 32:50
  things
• 32:50
  I
• 32:50
  did,
• 32:51
  I've
• 32:51
  taken
• 32:51
  quite
• 32:52
  big
• 32:52
  risks
• 32:52
  and
• 32:53
  I
• 32:53
  think
• 32:53
  some
• 32:53
  of
• 32:53
  the
• 32:53
  things
• 32:54
  in
• 32:54
  my
• 32:54
  life
• 32:54
  defined
• 32:55
  that.
• 32:55
  I
• 32:56
  actually
• 32:56
  lost
• 32:57
  six
• 32:57
  people
• 32:57
  in
• 32:58
  six
• 32:58
  months
• 32:59
  just
• 32:59
  when
• 32:59
  I
• 32:59
  was
• 32:59
  starting
• 33:00
  my
• 33:00
  first
• 33:00
  business
• 33:00
  at
• 33:00
  21.
• 33:02
  But
• 33:02
  that
• 33:03
  changed
• 33:04
  my
• 33:04
  whole
• 33:04
  outlook
• 33:05
  on
• 33:05
  life
• 33:05
  and
• 33:06
  it
• 33:06
  made
• 33:06
  me
• 33:07
  pretty
• 33:07
  risque
• 33:07
  in
• 33:07
  the
• 33:08
  things
• 33:08
  that
• 33:08
  I
• 33:08
  did
• 33:08
  because
• 33:08
  I
• 33:08
  was
• 33:09
  like,
• 33:09
  do
• 33:09
  you
• 33:09
  know
• 33:09
  what?
• 33:09
  I'm
• 33:10
  still
• 33:10
  here.
• 33:10
  I've
• 33:11
  got
• 33:11
  my
• 33:11
  health.
• 33:11
  And
• 33:11
  my
• 33:12
  dad
• 33:12
  used
• 33:12
  to
• 33:12
  say,
• 33:12
  dawn,
• 33:12
  it's
• 33:13
  character
• 33:13
  building.
• 33:13
  Yeah.
• 33:14
  And
• 33:14
  then
• 33:14
  I
• 33:14
  did
• 33:14
  my
• 33:14
  first
• 33:15
  book
• 33:15
  called
• 33:15
  Character
• 33:16
  Building,
• 33:16
  and
• 33:16
  that
• 33:17
  was
• 33:17
  for
• 33:17
  cancer
• 33:17
  research.
• 33:18
  But
• 33:19
  every
• 33:19
  time
• 33:19
  I
• 33:19
  think
• 33:19
  about
• 33:20
  something,
• 33:20
  I
• 33:21
  think,
• 33:21
  what
• 33:21
  would
• 33:21
  happen
• 33:21
  if
• 33:21
  I
• 33:22
  don't
• 33:22
  do
• 33:22
  it?
• 33:23
  So
• 33:23
  what
• 33:23
  would
• 33:23
  be
• 33:24
  your
• 33:24
  best
• 33:25
  piece
• 33:25
  of
• 33:25
  advice
• 33:25
  for
• 33:25
  anyone
• 33:26
  listening
• 33:26
  who
• 33:26
  is
• 33:26
  thinking,
• 33:27
  do
• 33:28
  you
• 33:28
  know
• 33:28
  what?
• 33:28
  I
• 33:28
  just
• 33:29
  want
• 33:29
  to
• 33:29
  level
• 33:29
  it
• 33:29
  up
• 33:29
  a
• 33:29
  little
• 33:29
  bit.
• 33:30
  I
• 33:30
  want
• 33:30
  to
• 33:30
  push
• 33:30
  a
• 33:30
  little
• 33:30
  bit
• 33:30
  harder.
• 33:31
  Like,
• 33:31
  I've
• 33:31
  got
• 33:31
  this
• 33:31
  goal,
• 33:32
  I've
• 33:32
  got
• 33:32
  this
• 33:32
  dream.
• 33:34
  What
• 33:34
  would
• 33:34
  we
• 33:34
  say
• 33:35
  today?
• 33:35
  What
• 33:35
  would
• 33:35
  be
• 33:36
  your
• 33:36
  advice?
• 33:36
  You
• 33:36
  know,
• 33:36
  it's
• 33:37
  so
• 33:37
  funny
• 33:37
  because
• 33:37
  I
• 33:38
  talked
• 33:38
  to
• 33:38
  my
• 33:38
  mum
• 33:38
  about
• 33:39
  this
• 33:39
  a
• 33:39
  lot
• 33:39
  and
• 33:39
  she
• 33:39
  just
• 33:40
  says,
• 33:40
  just
• 33:40
  do
• 33:40
  it.
• 33:40
  We
• 33:41
  could
• 33:41
  spend
• 33:41
  a
• 33:41
  lot
• 33:41
  of
• 33:41
  time
• 33:41
  now
• 33:42
  sitting
• 33:42
  down
• 33:43
  and
• 33:43
  going
• 33:43
  through
• 33:43
  the
• 33:44
  minutiae
• 33:44
  of
• 33:45
  what
• 33:45
  you
• 33:45
  need
• 33:45
  to
• 33:45
  do
• 33:46
  here,
• 33:46
  there,
• 33:47
  then
• 33:47
  next.
• 33:48
  But
• 33:48
  actually,
• 33:48
  the
• 33:48
  first
• 33:49
  thing
• 33:49
  you
• 33:49
  need
• 33:49
  to
• 33:49
  do
• 33:49
  is
• 33:50
  reset
• 33:50
  your
• 33:51
  mind.
• 33:51
  The
• 33:52
  first
• 33:52
  thing
• 33:52
  needs
• 33:52
  to
• 33:52
  be
• 33:53
  an
• 33:53
  action
• 33:53
  point.
• 33:54
  Just
• 33:54
  do
• 33:54
  it.
• 33:55
  It's
• 33:55
  almost
• 33:55
  like
• 33:56
  not
• 33:56
  putting
• 33:57
  the
• 33:57
  snooze
• 33:57
  button
• 33:58
  on
• 33:58
  10
• 33:58
  million
• 33:59
  times.
• 33:59
  When
• 33:59
  you
• 33:59
  wake
• 33:59
  up
• 33:59
  in
• 33:59
  the
• 34:00
  morning,
• 34:00
  just
• 34:00
  get
• 34:00
  up,
• 34:01
  get
• 34:01
  up,
• 34:01
  switch
• 34:01
  that
• 34:02
  light
• 34:02
  on,
• 34:03
  drink
• 34:03
  a
• 34:03
  glass
• 34:03
  of
• 34:04
  water,
• 34:04
  your
• 34:05
  body's
• 34:05
  activated,
• 34:06
  you're
• 34:06
  engaged.
• 34:07
  So
• 34:07
  that,
• 34:07
  that
• 34:07
  would
• 34:07
  be
• 34:08
  my
• 34:08
  first
• 34:08
  point
• 34:08
  of
• 34:09
  advice,
• 34:09
  actually
• 34:10
  try
• 34:11
  and
• 34:11
  declutter
• 34:12
  your
• 34:12
  mind
• 34:13
  of
• 34:13
  all
• 34:13
  the
• 34:13
  reasons
• 34:13
  why
• 34:14
  this
• 34:14
  potentially
• 34:15
  couldn't
• 34:15
  work.
• 34:15
  If
• 34:16
  this
• 34:16
  is
• 34:16
  something
• 34:16
  that
• 34:16
  you're
• 34:17
  really
• 34:17
  passionate
• 34:17
  about,
• 34:18
  if
• 34:18
  it's
• 34:18
  a
• 34:18
  dream
• 34:18
  that
• 34:19
  you've
• 34:19
  had,
• 34:19
  constantly
• 34:20
  tell
• 34:21
  yourself
• 34:21
  that
• 34:21
  you
• 34:21
  are
• 34:22
  going
• 34:22
  to
• 34:22
  do
• 34:22
  it.
• 34:23
  That
• 34:24
  needs
• 34:24
  to
• 34:24
  be
• 34:24
  the
• 34:24
  first
• 34:25
  thing
• 34:25
  in
• 34:26
  your
• 34:26
  mind.
• 34:27
  And
• 34:27
  then
• 34:27
  you
• 34:27
  start
• 34:28
  working
• 34:28
  out
• 34:28
  the
• 34:28
  process.
• 34:29
  I
• 34:29
  mean,
• 34:29
  for
• 34:30
  me,
• 34:30
  like
• 34:31
  I
• 34:31
  said,
• 34:31
  research
• 34:32
  has
• 34:32
  always
• 34:32
  been
• 34:33
  the
• 34:33
  key
• 34:33
  for
• 34:33
  me.
• 34:34
  Preparation,
• 34:35
  taking
• 34:35
  time
• 34:35
  to
• 34:36
  really
• 34:36
  understand.
• 34:37
  If
• 34:37
  I'm
• 34:37
  going
• 34:37
  to
• 34:38
  do
• 34:38
  a
• 34:38
  live
• 34:38
  show
• 34:39
  first
• 34:39
  thing
• 34:39
  in
• 34:39
  the
• 34:39
  morning,
• 34:40
  I'll
• 34:40
  be
• 34:40
  spending
• 34:40
  the
• 34:41
  night
• 34:41
  before
• 34:41
  reading
• 34:41
  through
• 34:41
  the
• 34:42
  briefs.
• 34:42
  I'll
• 34:42
  be
• 34:42
  going
• 34:42
  through
• 34:43
  the
• 34:43
  contributors
• 34:44
  that
• 34:44
  I'm
• 34:44
  interviewing.
• 34:45
  I'll
• 34:45
  be
• 34:45
  finding
• 34:45
  out
• 34:46
  the
• 34:46
  little
• 34:46
  pieces
• 34:46
  of
• 34:47
  information
• 34:47
  that
• 34:47
  people
• 34:47
  don't
• 34:48
  really
• 34:48
  know.
• 34:49
  What
• 34:49
  is
• 34:49
  it
• 34:49
  that's
• 34:50
  going
• 34:50
  to
• 34:50
  set
• 34:50
  me
• 34:50
  apart?
• 34:51
  What
• 34:51
  is
• 34:51
  it
• 34:52
  that's
• 34:52
  going
• 34:52
  to
• 34:52
  make
• 34:52
  this
• 34:52
  conversation
• 34:53
  for
• 34:54
  them
• 34:54
  feel
• 34:54
  like
• 34:54
  it's
• 34:55
  something
• 34:55
  on
• 34:55
  a.
• 34:56
  On
• 34:56
  a
• 34:56
  different
• 34:56
  level?
• 34:57
  So
• 34:57
  what
• 34:57
  can
• 34:58
  you
• 34:58
  be
• 34:58
  doing?
• 34:58
  Because
• 34:59
  actually,
• 34:59
  you
• 34:59
  realize
• 34:59
  a
• 34:59
  lot
• 35:00
  of
• 35:00
  people
• 35:00
  don't
• 35:00
  do
• 35:00
  that.
• 35:01
  A
• 35:01
  lot
• 35:01
  of
• 35:01
  people
• 35:01
  don't
• 35:02
  either.
• 35:02
  Preparation
• 35:03
  and
• 35:03
  don't
• 35:03
  do
• 35:03
  the
• 35:03
  research,
• 35:04
  you
• 35:04
  know.
• 35:05
  Yeah.
• 35:05
  And
• 35:05
  then
• 35:06
  the
• 35:06
  thing
• 35:06
  is
• 35:06
  here
• 35:07
  is
• 35:07
  like,
• 35:07
  I
• 35:07
  guess
• 35:07
  your
• 35:07
  goal
• 35:08
  is
• 35:09
  really
• 35:09
  about
• 35:09
  the
• 35:09
  communication.
• 35:10
  It
• 35:10
  goes
• 35:10
  back
• 35:10
  to
• 35:10
  what
• 35:10
  you
• 35:10
  said
• 35:11
  before,
• 35:11
  making
• 35:12
  sure
• 35:12
  that
• 35:12
  that
• 35:12
  first
• 35:12
  person
• 35:13
  is,
• 35:13
  like,
• 35:13
  really
• 35:13
  seen,
• 35:14
  like,
• 35:14
  really
• 35:15
  heard
• 35:15
  and
• 35:15
  really
• 35:15
  noticed.
• 35:16
  And
• 35:16
  they
• 35:16
  actually
• 35:17
  kept.
• 35:18
  I
• 35:18
  think
• 35:18
  that
• 35:19
  you've
• 35:19
  hit
• 35:19
  the
• 35:19
  nail
• 35:19
  on
• 35:19
  the
• 35:20
  head,
• 35:20
  having
• 35:21
  authenticity.
• 35:21
  And
• 35:22
  I
• 35:22
  think
• 35:22
  when
• 35:22
  I
• 35:22
  watch
• 35:23
  television,
• 35:24
  you
• 35:24
  can
• 35:24
  see
• 35:25
  with
• 35:25
  certain
• 35:25
  people,
• 35:25
  it
• 35:25
  comes
• 35:26
  through
• 35:26
  the
• 35:26
  camera.
• 35:27
  You
• 35:27
  know,
• 35:27
  you
• 35:28
  can
• 35:28
  see
• 35:28
  people
• 35:29
  that
• 35:29
  genuinely
• 35:30
  care
• 35:30
  and
• 35:30
  are
• 35:31
  authentic.
• 35:32
  And
• 35:33
  isn't
• 35:33
  it
• 35:33
  a
• 35:33
  nice
• 35:33
  feeling
• 35:34
  when
• 35:34
  you
• 35:34
  go
• 35:34
  into
• 35:34
  a
• 35:35
  room
• 35:35
  and
• 35:35
  you.
• 35:35
  You
• 35:35
  feel
• 35:36
  that?
• 35:36
  Like,
• 35:36
  when
• 35:36
  I
• 35:36
  met
• 35:37
  you
• 35:37
  and
• 35:37
  we
• 35:37
  were
• 35:37
  chatting,
• 35:37
  sat
• 35:38
  outside,
• 35:38
  I
• 35:38
  was
• 35:38
  like,
• 35:39
  well,
• 35:39
  this
• 35:39
  is
• 35:39
  lovely.
• 35:40
  I
• 35:40
  can
• 35:40
  feel
• 35:40
  it's
• 35:41
  different.
• 35:41
  You
• 35:42
  can
• 35:42
  feel
• 35:42
  that
• 35:43
  difference.
• 35:43
  Yeah.
• 35:44
  And
• 35:44
  if
• 35:44
  you
• 35:44
  have
• 35:45
  got
• 35:45
  that,
• 35:45
  I
• 35:45
  mean,
• 35:45
  that
• 35:46
  just
• 35:46
  takes
• 35:46
  you.
• 35:46
  You're
• 35:47
  not
• 35:47
  trying
• 35:47
  to
• 35:47
  convince
• 35:47
  yourself
• 35:48
  basically,
• 35:49
  as
• 35:50
  well
• 35:50
  as
• 35:50
  everybody
• 35:51
  else,
• 35:51
  you've
• 35:52
  already
• 35:52
  got
• 35:52
  that
• 35:53
  faith
• 35:53
  and
• 35:53
  you
• 35:54
  care
• 35:54
  and
• 35:54
  you
• 35:54
  feel.
• 35:55
  And
• 35:55
  you're
• 35:55
  looking
• 35:56
  forward
• 35:56
  to
• 35:56
  listening
• 35:57
  and
• 35:57
  hearing
• 35:58
  that
• 35:58
  just
• 35:59
  kind
• 35:59
  of.
• 35:59
  You're
• 35:59
  floating
• 36:00
  then,
• 36:01
  you
• 36:01
  know,
• 36:01
  and
• 36:02
  this
• 36:02
  is
• 36:02
  it.
• 36:02
  I
• 36:02
  think
• 36:02
  it's
• 36:02
  a
• 36:02
  big
• 36:03
  communication
• 36:03
  thing.
• 36:04
  I
• 36:04
  love
• 36:04
  what
• 36:04
  you
• 36:04
  say
• 36:05
  about
• 36:05
  the
• 36:05
  communication
• 36:05
  part
• 36:06
  because
• 36:06
  for
• 36:06
  me,
• 36:06
  when
• 36:07
  I
• 36:07
  first
• 36:07
  started,
• 36:08
  I
• 36:08
  found
• 36:08
  it
• 36:08
  really
• 36:08
  difficult
• 36:09
  being
• 36:09
  so
• 36:10
  young
• 36:10
  in
• 36:10
  business.
• 36:10
  A
• 36:11
  lot
• 36:11
  of
• 36:11
  rejection,
• 36:12
  a
• 36:12
  lot
• 36:12
  of
• 36:12
  kind
• 36:12
  of
• 36:13
  stereotypes,
• 36:13
  like,
• 36:14
  you
• 36:14
  know,
• 36:14
  a
• 36:14
  woman
• 36:15
  working
• 36:15
  in
• 36:15
  tech
• 36:16
  and
• 36:16
  things
• 36:16
  like
• 36:16
  that.
• 36:17
  But
• 36:17
  I
• 36:17
  didn't
• 36:17
  really
• 36:17
  let
• 36:18
  it
• 36:18
  bother
• 36:18
  me.
• 36:18
  But
• 36:18
  one
• 36:19
  of
• 36:19
  the
• 36:19
  things
• 36:19
  that
• 36:19
  I
• 36:19
  was
• 36:20
  so
• 36:21
  absolutely
• 36:21
  certain
• 36:22
  on
• 36:22
  every
• 36:22
  single
• 36:22
  day
• 36:23
  was
• 36:23
  I
• 36:23
  was
• 36:23
  just
• 36:23
  going
• 36:23
  to
• 36:24
  communicate
• 36:24
  in
• 36:24
  the
• 36:24
  way
• 36:25
  that
• 36:25
  I
• 36:26
  wanted
• 36:26
  to
• 36:26
  be
• 36:26
  communicated
• 36:27
  with,
• 36:27
  almost
• 36:28
  like
• 36:28
  doing
• 36:28
  to
• 36:28
  others
• 36:28
  have
• 36:29
  done
• 36:29
  to
• 36:29
  yourself.
• 36:29
  And
• 36:30
  that
• 36:30
  has
• 36:30
  been
• 36:30
  honestly
• 36:31
  the
• 36:31
  biggest
• 36:32
  foundation
• 36:32
  for
• 36:33
  my
• 36:33
  success
• 36:33
  because
• 36:34
  it's
• 36:34
  about
• 36:34
  people.
• 36:35
  Like,
• 36:35
  if
• 36:35
  you
• 36:35
  gel
• 36:36
  with
• 36:36
  people,
• 36:36
  everything
• 36:37
  seems
• 36:37
  to
• 36:37
  flow
• 36:38
  and
• 36:38
  everything
• 36:38
  feels
• 36:38
  nice
• 36:38
  and
• 36:39
  the
• 36:39
  opportunities
• 36:39
  come,
• 36:40
  and
• 36:40
  it's
• 36:40
  almost
• 36:41
  like
• 36:41
  sowing
• 36:42
  a
• 36:42
  seed
• 36:42
  of
• 36:42
  happiness
• 36:43
  every
• 36:43
  day,
• 36:43
  showing
• 36:44
  gratitude.
• 36:45
  And
• 36:45
  what
• 36:45
  you
• 36:46
  said
• 36:46
  about
• 36:46
  the
• 36:46
  whole
• 36:46
  just
• 36:47
  kind
• 36:47
  of
• 36:47
  get
• 36:47
  it
• 36:47
  done.
• 36:48
  I
• 36:48
  love
• 36:48
  this
• 36:48
  principle
• 36:49
  because
• 36:49
  I
• 36:49
  always
• 36:49
  say
• 36:49
  to
• 36:49
  people,
• 36:50
  when
• 36:50
  they
• 36:50
  say,
• 36:50
  dawn,
• 36:50
  I
• 36:50
  just
• 36:51
  need
• 36:51
  a
• 36:51
  plan.
• 36:51
  You
• 36:51
  don't
• 36:52
  need
• 36:52
  a
• 36:52
  plan.
• 36:52
  You
• 36:52
  just
• 36:53
  need
• 36:53
  a
• 36:53
  vision.
• 36:54
  You
• 36:54
  need
• 36:54
  to
• 36:55
  start
• 36:55
  breaking
• 36:56
  down
• 36:56
  some
• 36:56
  of
• 36:56
  those
• 36:56
  actions
• 36:57
  and
• 36:57
  start
• 36:57
  implementing,
• 36:58
  like,
• 36:59
  just
• 36:59
  get
• 36:59
  something
• 36:59
  in
• 37:00
  Motion.
• 37:00
  Yes.
• 37:01
  Because
• 37:01
  I
• 37:01
  love
• 37:01
  a
• 37:01
  bit
• 37:01
  of
• 37:01
  crazy
• 37:02
  chaos.
• 37:02
  Some
• 37:02
  of
• 37:02
  the
• 37:02
  things
• 37:03
  that
• 37:03
  have
• 37:03
  been
• 37:03
  my
• 37:04
  biggest
• 37:04
  growth
• 37:05
  has
• 37:05
  been
• 37:05
  things
• 37:05
  that
• 37:06
  I've
• 37:06
  just
• 37:06
  gone,
• 37:06
  you
• 37:06
  know
• 37:06
  what?
• 37:07
  I'm
• 37:07
  just
• 37:07
  going
• 37:07
  to
• 37:07
  do
• 37:07
  that.
• 37:08
  Yeah.
• 37:08
  And
• 37:08
  I
• 37:08
  get
• 37:08
  it
• 37:08
  out
• 37:09
  there
• 37:09
  before
• 37:09
  I'm
• 37:10
  even
• 37:10
  certain
• 37:10
  of
• 37:11
  how
• 37:11
  it's
• 37:11
  going
• 37:11
  to
• 37:11
  look
• 37:11
  and
• 37:12
  work.
• 37:12
  But
• 37:12
  it
• 37:12
  just
• 37:12
  feels
• 37:13
  right.
• 37:14
  That's
• 37:14
  the
• 37:14
  thing.
• 37:15
  And
• 37:15
  the
• 37:15
  crazy
• 37:15
  chaoticness
• 37:16
  kind
• 37:16
  of
• 37:17
  comes
• 37:17
  together
• 37:17
  in
• 37:17
  there,
• 37:18
  you
• 37:18
  know,
• 37:18
  it's
• 37:19
  kind.
• 37:19
  Of
• 37:19
  creative,
• 37:20
  you
• 37:20
  know,
• 37:21
  and.
• 37:21
  And
• 37:21
  it's
• 37:21
  genius,
• 37:22
  isn't
• 37:22
  it?
• 37:23
  And
• 37:23
  I
• 37:23
  think
• 37:23
  there's
• 37:23
  really
• 37:24
  something
• 37:24
  in
• 37:24
  that,
• 37:25
  in
• 37:25
  terms
• 37:25
  of
• 37:25
  our
• 37:26
  psyche
• 37:26
  and.
• 37:27
  And
• 37:27
  how
• 37:27
  we're
• 37:28
  built
• 37:28
  physiologically.
• 37:29
  I
• 37:29
  even
• 37:30
  know
• 37:30
  if
• 37:31
  I'm
• 37:31
  really
• 37:31
  trying
• 37:32
  to
• 37:32
  make
• 37:32
  myself
• 37:32
  go
• 37:32
  to
• 37:33
  the
• 37:33
  gym
• 37:33
  in
• 37:33
  the
• 37:33
  morning.
• 37:33
  You
• 37:34
  can
• 37:34
  tell
• 37:34
  yourself
• 37:34
  every
• 37:35
  single
• 37:35
  reason
• 37:36
  not
• 37:36
  to
• 37:36
  go
• 37:36
  again.
• 37:37
  Alarm.
• 37:38
  Don't
• 37:38
  snooze
• 37:39
  it.
• 37:39
  I
• 37:39
  will
• 37:39
  put
• 37:40
  my
• 37:40
  gym
• 37:40
  kit
• 37:40
  on
• 37:41
  as
• 37:41
  soon
• 37:41
  as
• 37:41
  I'm
• 37:41
  out
• 37:41
  of
• 37:42
  the
• 37:42
  bed.
• 37:42
  So
• 37:42
  my
• 37:42
  trainers.
• 37:43
  I'm
• 37:43
  walking
• 37:43
  around
• 37:44
  in
• 37:44
  my
• 37:44
  trainers.
• 37:45
  And
• 37:45
  it's
• 37:45
  even
• 37:45
  just
• 37:46
  having
• 37:46
  your
• 37:47
  body
• 37:48
  in
• 37:48
  the
• 37:48
  gym
• 37:48
  kit
• 37:49
  clothes.
• 37:50
  Suddenly
• 37:50
  something
• 37:51
  sparks.
• 37:51
  Well,
• 37:52
  I'll
• 37:52
  go.
• 37:52
  Even
• 37:52
  if
• 37:53
  I
• 37:53
  do
• 37:53
  five
• 37:53
  minutes,
• 37:54
  it's
• 37:54
  better
• 37:54
  than
• 37:54
  nothing.
• 37:55
  There's
• 37:55
  perfect
• 37:56
  action.
• 37:56
  Exactly.
• 37:57
  At
• 37:57
  least
• 37:57
  we're
• 37:57
  doing
• 37:57
  something.
• 37:58
  Yes.
• 37:58
  And
• 37:58
  I
• 37:58
  always
• 37:59
  say,
• 37:59
  like,
• 37:59
  you
• 37:59
  know,
• 37:59
  you
• 37:59
  can't
• 38:00
  condition
• 38:00
  the
• 38:01
  habit.
• 38:01
  You
• 38:01
  have
• 38:01
  to
• 38:01
  change
• 38:02
  the
• 38:02
  environment,
• 38:03
  first
• 38:03
  of
• 38:03
  all.
• 38:04
  So
• 38:04
  if
• 38:04
  your
• 38:05
  environment,
• 38:05
  you
• 38:06
  know,
• 38:06
  is
• 38:06
  kind
• 38:06
  of
• 38:07
  like
• 38:08
  you
• 38:08
  get
• 38:08
  up
• 38:08
  in
• 38:08
  the
• 38:09
  morning
• 38:09
  and
• 38:09
  you're
• 38:10
  in
• 38:10
  your
• 38:10
  kind
• 38:10
  of
• 38:10
  like
• 38:11
  sitting
• 38:11
  down
• 38:11
  and
• 38:11
  laying
• 38:12
  around
• 38:12
  before
• 38:12
  you
• 38:13
  do
• 38:13
  it.
• 38:13
  Like,
• 38:13
  for
• 38:13
  me,
• 38:14
  I
• 38:14
  just
• 38:14
  have
• 38:14
  to
• 38:14
  do
• 38:14
  a
• 38:14
  reforma
• 38:15
  Pilates
• 38:15
  every
• 38:16
  single
• 38:16
  morning
• 38:16
  because
• 38:16
  it
• 38:17
  sets
• 38:17
  me
• 38:17
  up.
• 38:17
  I
• 38:17
  literally
• 38:18
  don't
• 38:18
  think
• 38:18
  the
• 38:19
  alarm
• 38:19
  goes
• 38:19
  off.
• 38:19
  I
• 38:20
  get
• 38:20
  up
• 38:20
  and
• 38:20
  I'm
• 38:20
  in
• 38:21
  Pilates
• 38:21
  mode.
• 38:23
  Yeah.
• 38:23
  Because
• 38:24
  the
• 38:24
  environment
• 38:25
  for
• 38:25
  me
• 38:25
  was
• 38:25
  like,
• 38:26
  well,
• 38:26
  I
• 38:27
  know
• 38:27
  that
• 38:27
  I
• 38:27
  will
• 38:27
  flow
• 38:28
  better.
• 38:28
  Yes.
• 38:29
  I
• 38:29
  am
• 38:29
  doing
• 38:29
  this
• 38:30
  thing.
• 38:30
  So
• 38:30
  my
• 38:30
  environment
• 38:31
  was
• 38:32
  put
• 38:32
  the
• 38:32
  phone
• 38:33
  somewhere
• 38:33
  that
• 38:33
  I've
• 38:33
  got
• 38:33
  to
• 38:33
  get
• 38:34
  up
• 38:34
  and
• 38:34
  do
• 38:34
  it.
• 38:34
  Yes.
• 38:35
  Okay.
• 38:35
  And
• 38:35
  then
• 38:37
  once
• 38:37
  I
• 38:37
  was
• 38:37
  kind
• 38:37
  of
• 38:37
  in
• 38:37
  that
• 38:37
  whole
• 38:38
  motion
• 38:38
  I
• 38:38
  was
• 38:38
  kind
• 38:38
  of
• 38:39
  doing.
• 38:39
  And
• 38:39
  then
• 38:39
  the
• 38:39
  first
• 38:40
  thing
• 38:40
  would
• 38:40
  be
• 38:40
  like,
• 38:40
  right,
• 38:40
  get
• 38:41
  an
• 38:41
  espresso,
• 38:41
  do
• 38:42
  the
• 38:42
  things
• 38:42
  I
• 38:42
  like
• 38:42
  doing
• 38:43
  that
• 38:43
  get
• 38:43
  me
• 38:43
  on
• 38:43
  that
• 38:43
  journey,
• 38:44
  and
• 38:44
  get
• 38:44
  me
• 38:44
  at
• 38:44
  the
• 38:44
  start.
• 38:45
  So
• 38:46
  we're
• 38:46
  onto
• 38:46
  my
• 38:46
  favorite
• 38:47
  part
• 38:47
  of
• 38:47
  the
• 38:47
  podcast
• 38:48
  now,
• 38:48
  the
• 38:49
  bit
• 38:49
  where
• 38:49
  you
• 38:50
  share
• 38:50
  your
• 38:50
  embarrassing
• 38:51
  story.
• 38:51
  Now,
• 38:51
  I
• 38:52
  ask
• 38:52
  every
• 38:52
  guest
• 38:52
  to
• 38:53
  do
• 38:53
  this,
• 38:54
  and
• 38:54
  it's
• 38:54
  my
• 38:54
  favorite.
• 38:55
  And
• 38:55
  I
• 38:55
  was
• 38:55
  just
• 38:55
  telling
• 38:55
  you
• 38:55
  about
• 38:56
  some
• 38:56
  of
• 38:56
  the
• 38:56
  ones
• 38:56
  before.
• 38:57
  And
• 38:59
  if
• 38:59
  you
• 38:59
  think
• 39:00
  about
• 39:00
  what
• 39:00
  was
• 39:00
  the
• 39:01
  craziest,
• 39:01
  most
• 39:02
  embarrassing
• 39:02
  time,
• 39:03
  like,
• 39:03
  what
• 39:03
  is
• 39:03
  the
• 39:03
  story?
• 39:04
  You've
• 39:04
  got
• 39:04
  to
• 39:04
  share
• 39:04
  it.
• 39:05
  Oh,
• 39:05
  my
• 39:05
  God.
• 39:06
  You
• 39:06
  know
• 39:06
  What?
• 39:06
  Especially
• 39:07
  doing
• 39:07
  live
• 39:07
  television
• 39:09
  every
• 39:09
  day,
• 39:09
  I
• 39:10
  feel
• 39:10
  like
• 39:10
  there
• 39:10
  are
• 39:10
  embarrassing
• 39:11
  moments
• 39:12
  all
• 39:12
  the
• 39:12
  time
• 39:13
  because
• 39:13
  sometimes
• 39:14
  it's
• 39:15
  crazy.
• 39:15
  Like,
• 39:15
  for
• 39:16
  all
• 39:16
  the
• 39:16
  preparation
• 39:17
  and
• 39:17
  the
• 39:17
  research
• 39:17
  that
• 39:18
  you
• 39:18
  do,
• 39:18
  sometimes
• 39:19
  your
• 39:19
  mind
• 39:19
  just
• 39:19
  kind
• 39:20
  of
• 39:20
  goes
• 39:20
  away
• 39:20
  with
• 39:21
  itself.
• 39:21
  You
• 39:22
  know,
• 39:22
  the
• 39:22
  amount
• 39:22
  of
• 39:22
  times
• 39:23
  I've
• 39:23
  been
• 39:24
  like,
• 39:24
  hello,
• 39:24
  and
• 39:24
  welcome
• 39:25
  to
• 39:25
  such
• 39:25
  and
• 39:25
  such.
• 39:26
  Happy
• 39:26
  Wednesday.
• 39:26
  No,
• 39:27
  Michelle,
• 39:27
  it's
• 39:27
  Friday.
• 39:28
  Okay,
• 39:28
  right,
• 39:29
  we'll
• 39:29
  reverse
• 39:29
  that.
• 39:30
  But
• 39:30
  actually,
• 39:30
  it's
• 39:31
  refreshing
• 39:31
  because
• 39:31
  you're
• 39:32
  like,
• 39:32
  people
• 39:32
  make
• 39:32
  mistakes.
• 39:33
  But
• 39:34
  on
• 39:34
  one
• 39:34
  program
• 39:34
  I
• 39:35
  do
• 39:35
  on
• 39:35
  Morning
• 39:35
  Live,
• 39:36
  we
• 39:36
  have
• 39:36
  a
• 39:36
  section
• 39:36
  of
• 39:37
  the
• 39:37
  show
• 39:37
  that's
• 39:37
  called
• 39:38
  Strictly
• 39:38
  Fitness
• 39:39
  at
• 39:39
  the
• 39:39
  end.
• 39:39
  So
• 39:39
  we
• 39:39
  have
• 39:39
  the
• 39:40
  Strictly
• 39:40
  Come
• 39:40
  Dancing
• 39:40
  dancers
• 39:41
  come
• 39:41
  on
• 39:42
  and
• 39:42
  they
• 39:42
  teach
• 39:42
  us
• 39:43
  some
• 39:43
  exercise
• 39:44
  so
• 39:44
  the
• 39:44
  audience
• 39:44
  at
• 39:45
  home
• 39:45
  can
• 39:45
  kind
• 39:46
  of
• 39:46
  get
• 39:46
  involved.
• 39:46
  I
• 39:47
  absolutely
• 39:47
  love
• 39:47
  it.
• 39:48
  You
• 39:48
  know,
• 39:48
  it's
• 39:48
  a
• 39:48
  chance
• 39:48
  for
• 39:48
  us
• 39:49
  all.
• 39:49
  Just
• 39:49
  have
• 39:49
  a
• 39:49
  bit
• 39:49
  of
• 39:49
  fun,
• 39:50
  have
• 39:50
  a
• 39:50
  dance.
• 39:50
  Da,
• 39:50
  da
• 39:51
  da.
• 39:51
  So
• 39:51
  I'm
• 39:52
  always
• 39:52
  fully
• 39:53
  committed.
• 39:53
  You
• 39:54
  know,
• 39:54
  we
• 39:54
  take
• 39:54
  our
• 39:54
  shoes
• 39:55
  off
• 39:55
  and
• 39:55
  get
• 39:56
  stuck
• 39:56
  in.
• 39:57
  So
• 39:57
  we're
• 39:57
  doing
• 39:57
  various
• 39:58
  exercises,
• 39:59
  lifting
• 39:59
  our
• 39:59
  arms,
• 39:59
  you
• 40:00
  know,
• 40:00
  doing
• 40:00
  the
• 40:00
  paso
• 40:00
  doble
• 40:01
  move
• 40:01
  or
• 40:01
  the
• 40:02
  cha
• 40:02
  cha
• 40:02
  or
• 40:02
  whatever.
• 40:03
  Multiple
• 40:03
  people
• 40:04
  have
• 40:04
  said,
• 40:04
  michelle,
• 40:05
  watch
• 40:05
  the
• 40:05
  dog,
• 40:06
  watch
• 40:06
  the
• 40:06
  dog,
• 40:07
  watch
• 40:07
  the
• 40:07
  dog,
• 40:07
  Michelle.
• 40:08
  Michelle
• 40:09
  the
• 40:09
  dog.
• 40:10
  Like,
• 40:10
  I'm
• 40:10
  just
• 40:11
  looking
• 40:11
  at
• 40:11
  the
• 40:11
  autoc.
• 40:11
  You're
• 40:12
  like,
• 40:12
  oh,
• 40:12
  I've
• 40:12
  got
• 40:12
  10
• 40:13
  seconds
• 40:13
  to
• 40:13
  kind
• 40:14
  of
• 40:14
  sound
• 40:14
  out.
• 40:14
  See,
• 40:14
  tomorrow,
• 40:15
  like,
• 40:15
  laughing
• 40:16
  and
• 40:16
  smiling,
• 40:16
  having
• 40:16
  a
• 40:17
  whale
• 40:17
  of
• 40:17
  a
• 40:17
  time
• 40:18
  in
• 40:18
  my
• 40:18
  own
• 40:19
  world.
• 40:19
  And
• 40:19
  the
• 40:20
  next
• 40:20
  minute
• 40:20
  I
• 40:20
  turn
• 40:21
  around
• 40:21
  to
• 40:21
  do
• 40:21
  this
• 40:22
  move,
• 40:22
  thinking,
• 40:22
  this
• 40:22
  move
• 40:23
  is
• 40:23
  going
• 40:23
  to
• 40:23
  look.
• 40:23
  I'm
• 40:24
  going
• 40:24
  to
• 40:24
  be
• 40:24
  bidded
• 40:24
  for
• 40:24
  Strictly
• 40:25
  because
• 40:25
  this
• 40:25
  move
• 40:26
  is
• 40:26
  going
• 40:26
  to
• 40:26
  look
• 40:26
  great.
• 40:27
  Absolutely.
• 40:27
  Stack
• 40:28
  it,
• 40:28
  roll
• 40:28
  over
• 40:29
  this.
• 40:29
  This
• 40:29
  beautiful
• 40:30
  golden
• 40:31
  Labrador,
• 40:32
  nearly
• 40:32
  face
• 40:33
  plant
• 40:33
  the
• 40:33
  table.
• 40:34
  Whilst
• 40:35
  everyone
• 40:35
  goes
• 40:36
  silent
• 40:36
  in
• 40:36
  the
• 40:36
  studio.
• 40:37
  Like,
• 40:37
  is
• 40:38
  she
• 40:38
  okay?
• 40:39
  Issue.
• 40:39
  I'm
• 40:40
  thinking,
• 40:40
  is
• 40:41
  that,
• 40:41
  have
• 40:41
  I
• 40:41
  killed
• 40:42
  this
• 40:42
  dog?
• 40:42
  Live
• 40:42
  on,
• 40:42
  is
• 40:43
  the
• 40:43
  dog
• 40:43
  okay?
• 40:44
  Thankfully,
• 40:44
  Dolly
• 40:45
  the
• 40:45
  dog
• 40:45
  was
• 40:45
  absolutely
• 40:46
  fine.
• 40:46
  I
• 40:47
  managed
• 40:47
  to
• 40:47
  get
• 40:47
  up
• 40:48
  just
• 40:48
  before
• 40:48
  the
• 40:48
  show
• 40:49
  is
• 40:49
  going.
• 40:49
  I'm
• 40:50
  okay,
• 40:50
  everything's
• 40:51
  fine.
• 40:52
  It
• 40:52
  was
• 40:52
  the
• 40:52
  most
• 40:53
  embarrassing
• 40:54
  thing
• 40:55
  ever
• 40:56
  because
• 40:56
  it's
• 40:57
  like
• 40:57
  you're
• 40:57
  just
• 40:57
  thinking,
• 40:58
  this
• 40:58
  could
• 40:59
  go
• 40:59
  really
• 40:59
  badly.
• 41:00
  And
• 41:01
  then
• 41:01
  everyone's
• 41:01
  thinking,
• 41:02
  is
• 41:02
  she
• 41:03
  all
• 41:03
  right?
• 41:03
  Can
• 41:03
  she
• 41:03
  talk?
• 41:04
  You
• 41:04
  know,
• 41:04
  if
• 41:04
  Harry
• 41:05
  Hill's
• 41:05
  TV
• 41:05
  burp
• 41:06
  was
• 41:06
  still
• 41:06
  going
• 41:07
  or
• 41:07
  you've
• 41:07
  been
• 41:07
  framed,
• 41:08
  I
• 41:08
  feel
• 41:08
  like
• 41:08
  I'd
• 41:09
  get
• 41:09
  200
• 41:09
  quid
• 41:09
  cash
• 41:10
  from
• 41:10
  Jeremy
• 41:11
  Bead.
• 41:11
  Or
• 41:12
  can
• 41:12
  we.
• 41:12
  Can
• 41:12
  we
• 41:12
  find
• 41:13
  this
• 41:13
  on
• 41:13
  YouTube?
• 41:14
  Yeah,
• 41:14
  well,
• 41:15
  gething
• 41:15
  keeps
• 41:15
  bringing
• 41:16
  out.
• 41:16
  Every
• 41:16
  time
• 41:16
  I'm
• 41:17
  back,
• 41:17
  it's
• 41:17
  like,
• 41:17
  oh,
• 41:17
  she's
• 41:18
  okay,
• 41:18
  she's
• 41:18
  okay.
• 41:19
  Thankfully,
• 41:20
  Dolly
• 41:20
  the
• 41:20
  dog's
• 41:21
  okay.
• 41:21
  We
• 41:21
  had
• 41:22
  to
• 41:22
  do
• 41:22
  a
• 41:22
  thing
• 41:22
  on
• 41:22
  social
• 41:22
  media
• 41:23
  afterwards
• 41:23
  with
• 41:23
  me
• 41:24
  sat
• 41:24
  on
• 41:24
  the
• 41:24
  sofa
• 41:24
  with
• 41:24
  Dolly
• 41:25
  the
• 41:25
  dog.
• 41:25
  Like,
• 41:26
  we're
• 41:26
  still
• 41:26
  here,
• 41:27
  everything's
• 41:28
  fine.
• 41:28
  The
• 41:28
  amount
• 41:28
  of
• 41:29
  messages.
• 41:29
  Thank
• 41:30
  you,
• 41:30
  thank
• 41:30
  God.
• 41:31
  Like,
• 41:31
  you
• 41:31
  know,
• 41:32
  honestly,
• 41:32
  royalties,
• 41:33
  animals,
• 41:33
  it.
• 41:33
  Was
• 41:34
  like,
• 41:34
  we
• 41:35
  don't.
• 41:35
  We've,
• 41:35
  we've.
• 41:35
  I
• 41:35
  think
• 41:36
  we've
• 41:36
  stopped
• 41:36
  dancing
• 41:36
  with
• 41:36
  the
• 41:37
  dogs
• 41:37
  at
• 41:37
  the.
• 41:37
  Well,
• 41:37
  I've
• 41:38
  stopped
• 41:38
  dancing
• 41:38
  with
• 41:38
  the
• 41:38
  dogs
• 41:39
  at
• 41:39
  the
• 41:39
  end.
• 41:39
  I
• 41:40
  think
• 41:40
  the
• 41:40
  studio
• 41:41
  stopped
• 41:41
  you
• 41:41
  dancing
• 41:42
  with
• 41:42
  it
• 41:42
  all.
• 41:43
  It's
• 41:43
  like,
• 41:44
  oh,
• 41:44
  my
• 41:44
  word.
• 41:45
  And
• 41:45
  especially
• 41:45
  on
• 41:46
  programs,
• 41:47
  you
• 41:47
  know,
• 41:47
  Morning
• 41:48
  Live,
• 41:48
  it's
• 41:48
  a
• 41:48
  magazine
• 41:48
  show.
• 41:49
  So
• 41:49
  you're
• 41:49
  talking
• 41:50
  about.
• 41:50
  We
• 41:50
  talk
• 41:51
  about
• 41:51
  anything
• 41:51
  from
• 41:51
  real
• 41:52
  kind
• 41:52
  of
• 41:52
  consumer
• 41:54
  hardcore
• 41:55
  topics
• 41:55
  to
• 41:56
  what
• 41:56
  you're
• 41:56
  going
• 41:56
  to
• 41:56
  do
• 41:56
  with
• 41:57
  your
• 41:57
  rhubarb
• 41:57
  this
• 41:57
  summer.
• 41:58
  So
• 41:58
  to
• 41:58
  kind
• 41:59
  of
• 41:59
  toe
• 41:59
  the
• 41:59
  line
• 42:00
  and
• 42:00
  then
• 42:00
  sometimes
• 42:00
  things
• 42:01
  happen,
• 42:01
  you've
• 42:01
  just
• 42:01
  got
• 42:01
  to.
• 42:02
  It's
• 42:02
  just
• 42:02
  a
• 42:02
  very
• 42:03
  human,
• 42:03
  real
• 42:03
  moment.
• 42:04
  Thankfully
• 42:05
  I
• 42:05
  managed
• 42:05
  to
• 42:05
  just
• 42:05
  do
• 42:05
  my
• 42:06
  piece
• 42:06
  to
• 42:06
  camera,
• 42:07
  you
• 42:07
  know,
• 42:07
  half
• 42:08
  on
• 42:08
  the
• 42:08
  floor
• 42:08
  on
• 42:08
  my
• 42:08
  butt,
• 42:09
  saying
• 42:09
  goodbye.
• 42:09
  And
• 42:10
  you
• 42:11
  just
• 42:11
  got
• 42:11
  to
• 42:11
  move
• 42:11
  on.
• 42:12
  This
• 42:12
  is
• 42:12
  it.
• 42:12
  I
• 42:12
  mean,
• 42:13
  there's
• 42:13
  sometimes
• 42:13
  like,
• 42:13
  you
• 42:13
  know,
• 42:14
  I
• 42:14
  just
• 42:14
  think
• 42:14
  back
• 42:14
  to
• 42:14
  some
• 42:14
  of
• 42:15
  the
• 42:15
  things
• 42:15
  I've
• 42:15
  done
• 42:15
  and
• 42:15
  I'm
• 42:16
  one
• 42:16
  of
• 42:16
  these
• 42:16
  people
• 42:16
  who's
• 42:17
  like
• 42:17
  so
• 42:17
  clumsy.
• 42:17
  But
• 42:18
  also
• 42:18
  predictive
• 42:19
  text,
• 42:20
  the
• 42:20
  amount
• 42:20
  of
• 42:20
  text
• 42:20
  I've
• 42:21
  sent.
• 42:21
  Yeah.
• 42:22
  And
• 42:22
  someone
• 42:22
  asked
• 42:22
  me
• 42:23
  what
• 42:23
  electrolyte
• 42:24
  I
• 42:24
  was
• 42:24
  taking.
• 42:25
  I
• 42:25
  meant
• 42:25
  to
• 42:25
  say
• 42:25
  Humantra,
• 42:26
  which
• 42:26
  was
• 42:27
  this
• 42:27
  amazing
• 42:27
  brand.
• 42:27
  Oh,
• 42:28
  yes,
• 42:28
  it
• 42:28
  is
• 42:29
  lovely.
• 42:29
  Lovely.
• 42:30
  Sent
• 42:31
  it.
• 42:31
  Look
• 42:31
  back
• 42:32
  on
• 42:32
  it
• 42:32
  and
• 42:32
  it
• 42:33
  picked
• 42:33
  up
• 42:33
  and
• 42:33
  it
• 42:33
  said,
• 42:34
  I've
• 42:34
  just
• 42:34
  finished.
• 42:35
  Not
• 42:35
  Humantra,
• 42:36
  Human
• 42:36
  trafficking.
• 42:37
  Sent
• 42:38
  this
• 42:38
  to
• 42:38
  my
• 42:38
  client.
• 42:39
  I
• 42:39
  mean,
• 42:39
  like,
• 42:39
  if
• 42:39
  there
• 42:39
  was
• 42:39
  a
• 42:40
  worst
• 42:40
  thing
• 42:40
  that
• 42:40
  could
• 42:40
  have
• 42:41
  sent,
• 42:41
  that
• 42:41
  was
• 42:41
  it.
• 42:42
  So
• 42:42
  for
• 42:42
  me,
• 42:43
  these
• 42:43
  things
• 42:43
  like
• 42:43
  happen
• 42:44
  every
• 42:44
  single
• 42:44
  day.
• 42:44
  Yeah.
• 42:45
  But
• 42:45
  I
• 42:45
  love
• 42:46
  a
• 42:46
  good
• 42:46
  story.
• 42:46
  And
• 42:47
  you
• 42:47
  know
• 42:47
  what
• 42:47
  I'm
• 42:47
  going
• 42:47
  to
• 42:47
  do?
• 42:48
  I'm
• 42:48
  going
• 42:48
  to
• 42:48
  go
• 42:48
  right
• 42:48
  on
• 42:49
  YouTube
• 42:49
  now.
• 42:49
  I'm
• 42:49
  going
• 42:49
  have
• 42:50
  a
• 42:50
  look
• 42:50
  at
• 42:50
  this.
• 42:50
  Dolly
• 42:50
  the
• 42:51
  dog
• 42:51
  there.
• 42:52
  Made
• 42:52
  gifts
• 42:52
  out
• 42:53
  of
• 42:53
  it
• 42:53
  and
• 42:53
  everything.
• 42:54
  This
• 42:54
  is
• 42:54
  the
• 42:54
  thing
• 42:55
  about.
• 42:55
  You
• 42:55
  can't
• 42:55
  live
• 42:55
  it
• 42:56
  down
• 42:56
  now
• 42:56
  on
• 42:56
  social
• 42:56
  media,
• 42:57
  can
• 42:57
  you?
• 42:57
  Do
• 42:58
  you
• 42:58
  know
• 42:58
  what
• 42:58
  I
• 42:58
  mean?
• 42:58
  That's
• 42:59
  going
• 42:59
  to
• 42:59
  be
• 42:59
  what
• 42:59
  I'm
• 42:59
  remembered
• 43:00
  for,
• 43:00
  Tripping
• 43:00
  over
• 43:01
  the
• 43:01
  dog.
• 43:03
  It's
• 43:03
  true.
• 43:04
  So
• 43:04
  one
• 43:05
  of
• 43:05
  my
• 43:05
  favorite
• 43:05
  books
• 43:06
  at
• 43:06
  the
• 43:06
  moment,
• 43:06
  and
• 43:06
  I
• 43:07
  honestly
• 43:07
  feel
• 43:07
  like
• 43:07
  it's
• 43:07
  been
• 43:08
  life
• 43:08
  changing,
• 43:09
  is
• 43:09
  a
• 43:10
  book
• 43:10
  called
• 43:10
  the
• 43:10
  Courage
• 43:11
  to
• 43:11
  Be
• 43:11
  Disliked.
• 43:12
  And
• 43:12
  it,
• 43:12
  honestly,
• 43:13
  I
• 43:13
  read
• 43:13
  on
• 43:13
  holiday,
• 43:14
  it
• 43:14
  was
• 43:14
  one
• 43:14
  of
• 43:14
  those
• 43:14
  books,
• 43:14
  you
• 43:14
  know,
• 43:15
  that
• 43:15
  really
• 43:15
  get
• 43:15
  you.
• 43:16
  Is
• 43:16
  there
• 43:16
  a
• 43:17
  book
• 43:17
  that
• 43:17
  you
• 43:17
  can
• 43:17
  recommend
• 43:18
  that
• 43:18
  has,
• 43:18
  like
• 43:18
  changed
• 43:19
  your
• 43:19
  life?
• 43:20
  There's
• 43:20
  a
• 43:20
  couple,
• 43:20
  actually
• 43:21
  that
• 43:21
  I'm
• 43:21
  reading
• 43:21
  at
• 43:21
  the
• 43:22
  minute.
• 43:22
  One
• 43:22
  called
• 43:23
  Worthy
• 43:23
  by
• 43:24
  Jamie
• 43:24
  Lynn
• 43:24
  Kerner
• 43:25
  and
• 43:25
  another
• 43:26
  one
• 43:26
  by
• 43:26
  a
• 43:26
  psychologist
• 43:27
  friend
• 43:28
  by
• 43:28
  Owen
• 43:29
  O'Kane
• 43:29
  called
• 43:30
  Addicted
• 43:30
  to
• 43:31
  Anxiety.
• 43:32
  And
• 43:32
  it's
• 43:33
  brilliant.
• 43:34
  Heard
• 43:34
  really
• 43:34
  good
• 43:34
  things
• 43:34
  about
• 43:35
  that.
• 43:35
  It's
• 43:35
  really,
• 43:36
  really
• 43:36
  good.
• 43:37
  There's
• 43:38
  certain
• 43:38
  books
• 43:38
  that
• 43:38
  I
• 43:39
  will
• 43:40
  take
• 43:40
  around
• 43:41
  with
• 43:41
  me,
• 43:42
  you
• 43:42
  know,
• 43:42
  for
• 43:42
  a,
• 43:42
  for
• 43:43
  a
• 43:43
  train
• 43:43
  journey,
• 43:43
  let's
• 43:44
  face
• 43:44
  it,
• 43:44
  we
• 43:44
  do
• 43:44
  a
• 43:44
  lot
• 43:44
  of.
• 43:45
  And
• 43:45
  dip
• 43:46
  in
• 43:46
  and
• 43:46
  dip
• 43:46
  out.
• 43:46
  I
• 43:47
  almost
• 43:47
  see
• 43:47
  them
• 43:47
  as
• 43:48
  manuals.
• 43:48
  You
• 43:49
  know,
• 43:49
  I'll
• 43:49
  read
• 43:49
  a
• 43:49
  book
• 43:49
  and
• 43:50
  then
• 43:50
  I
• 43:50
  need
• 43:50
  to
• 43:50
  go
• 43:50
  back
• 43:50
  to
• 43:51
  it
• 43:51
  and
• 43:51
  that
• 43:51
  will
• 43:51
  like
• 43:52
  kind
• 43:52
  of
• 43:52
  bookmark
• 43:53
  pages
• 43:53
  and
• 43:53
  go
• 43:54
  through
• 43:54
  again.
• 43:55
  My
• 43:55
  first
• 43:55
  recommendation
• 43:56
  would
• 43:56
  be
• 43:56
  Addicted
• 43:57
  to
• 43:57
  Anxiety
• 43:58
  because
• 43:58
  there's
• 43:58
  some
• 43:58
  real
• 44:00
  standout
• 44:00
  tangible
• 44:02
  bits
• 44:02
  of
• 44:02
  advice
• 44:03
  that
• 44:03
  you
• 44:03
  can
• 44:03
  take.
• 44:04
  And
• 44:04
  also
• 44:04
  Owen,
• 44:04
  especially
• 44:05
  within
• 44:05
  this
• 44:05
  book,
• 44:06
  he
• 44:06
  kind
• 44:06
  of
• 44:06
  delves
• 44:07
  into
• 44:07
  his
• 44:08
  own
• 44:09
  upbringing
• 44:09
  and
• 44:10
  his
• 44:10
  anxiety
• 44:10
  and
• 44:11
  how
• 44:11
  he's
• 44:11
  overcome
• 44:12
  it.
• 44:12
  So
• 44:12
  you
• 44:12
  actually
• 44:14
  not
• 44:14
  just
• 44:14
  getting
• 44:14
  advice
• 44:15
  from
• 44:15
  a
• 44:15
  psychologist,
• 44:16
  you
• 44:16
  learn
• 44:16
  about
• 44:17
  the
• 44:17
  person
• 44:17
  behind
• 44:18
  the
• 44:18
  psychology.
• 44:19
  Yeah.
• 44:19
  And
• 44:19
  you
• 44:19
  get
• 44:19
  different
• 44:20
  kind
• 44:20
  of
• 44:20
  connection.
• 44:20
  Yes.
• 44:21
  So
• 44:22
  what
• 44:22
  does
• 44:22
  the
• 44:22
  future
• 44:23
  hold
• 44:23
  and
• 44:23
  how
• 44:24
  can
• 44:24
  people
• 44:24
  connect
• 44:24
  with
• 44:25
  you,
• 44:25
  Michelle?
• 44:25
  Well,
• 44:26
  I'm
• 44:26
  on
• 44:26
  social
• 44:26
  media,
• 44:27
  I'm
• 44:27
  on
• 44:27
  Instagram
• 44:28
  at
• 44:28
  Michelle
• 44:29
  Ackerley.
• 44:29
  The
• 44:30
  future
• 44:30
  for
• 44:30
  me
• 44:31
  is.
• 44:31
  Well,
• 44:32
  I
• 44:32
  got
• 44:32
  married
• 44:32
  last
• 44:33
  year
• 44:33
  so
• 44:34
  it's
• 44:34
  our
• 44:35
  first
• 44:35
  year
• 44:36
  wedding
• 44:36
  anniversary.
• 44:37
  When
• 44:37
  you
• 44:37
  arrive,
• 44:38
  the
• 44:38
  first
• 44:38
  thing,
• 44:39
  oh,
• 44:39
  you
• 44:39
  arrived.
• 44:40
  And
• 44:40
  I
• 44:40
  saw
• 44:40
  someone
• 44:41
  kiss
• 44:41
  and
• 44:41
  I
• 44:41
  thought
• 44:41
  that's
• 44:42
  that
• 44:42
  beautiful.
• 44:42
  And
• 44:42
  I
• 44:42
  thought
• 44:42
  oh,
• 44:42
  that's
• 44:43
  Michelle.
• 44:44
  Pleasure.
• 44:45
  You
• 44:45
  know
• 44:45
  what
• 44:46
  it's
• 44:46
  continuing
• 44:47
  to
• 44:47
  have
• 44:47
  or
• 44:47
  trying
• 44:48
  to
• 44:48
  forge
• 44:48
  a
• 44:48
  decent
• 44:49
  work
• 44:49
  life
• 44:49
  balance.
• 44:50
  I
• 44:50
  think
• 44:50
  for
• 44:50
  me,
• 44:51
  especially
• 44:52
  within
• 44:52
  tv,
• 44:53
  one
• 44:53
  of
• 44:53
  the
• 44:53
  questions
• 44:54
  that
• 44:55
  people
• 44:55
  always
• 44:56
  ask
• 44:56
  is
• 44:57
  what's
• 44:57
  next?
• 44:58
  What's
• 44:58
  the
• 44:58
  five
• 44:58
  year
• 44:59
  goal?
• 44:59
  What's
• 44:59
  the.
• 45:00
  And
• 45:00
  that
• 45:00
  used
• 45:00
  to
• 45:00
  be
• 45:01
  something
• 45:01
  that
• 45:01
  I
• 45:01
  would
• 45:02
  almost
• 45:02
  obsess
• 45:03
  about
• 45:04
  and
• 45:04
  not
• 45:04
  actually
• 45:05
  think
• 45:05
  about
• 45:05
  the
• 45:05
  journey
• 45:06
  that,
• 45:06
  that
• 45:06
  I'm
• 45:06
  on.
• 45:07
  I
• 45:07
  think
• 45:07
  it's
• 45:07
  important
• 45:08
  to
• 45:08
  have
• 45:08
  goals
• 45:08
  but
• 45:08
  it's
• 45:08
  also
• 45:09
  kind
• 45:09
  of
• 45:09
  being
• 45:10
  in
• 45:10
  the
• 45:10
  present
• 45:11
  and
• 45:11
  I
• 45:11
  have
• 45:11
  to
• 45:12
  say
• 45:12
  that
• 45:12
  actually
• 45:12
  I'm
• 45:13
  really
• 45:13
  enjoying
• 45:14
  my
• 45:14
  journey
• 45:15
  at
• 45:15
  the
• 45:15
  minute.
• 45:16
  Be
• 45:16
  more
• 45:16
  Morning
• 45:16
  Live.
• 45:17
  They've
• 45:17
  just
• 45:17
  been
• 45:17
  nominated
• 45:18
  for
• 45:18
  a
• 45:18
  bafta.
• 45:19
  So
• 45:19
  we
• 45:19
  find
• 45:19
  out
• 45:20
  in
• 45:20
  May.
• 45:20
  I
• 45:20
  head
• 45:20
  to
• 45:21
  Sacramento
• 45:22
  in
• 45:22
  May
• 45:23
  as
• 45:23
  well
• 45:23
  to
• 45:23
  do
• 45:23
  the
• 45:23
  World's
• 45:24
  Strongest
• 45:24
  Man.
• 45:25
  That'll
• 45:25
  be
• 45:25
  fun.
• 45:26
  Which
• 45:26
  would
• 45:26
  be
• 45:26
  fun.
• 45:27
  Just
• 45:27
  a
• 45:27
  lot
• 45:27
  of
• 45:27
  big
• 45:28
  burly
• 45:28
  strong
• 45:28
  men.
• 45:28
  I
• 45:29
  get
• 45:29
  neck
• 45:29
  ache
• 45:29
  doing
• 45:29
  that
• 45:30
  though
• 45:30
  to
• 45:30
  be
• 45:30
  fair
• 45:30
  dawn,
• 45:30
  because
• 45:31
  they're
• 45:31
  all
• 45:31
  so
• 45:31
  tall.
• 45:31
  I'm
• 45:32
  there
• 45:32
  with
• 45:32
  a
• 45:32
  microphone.
• 45:33
  Need
• 45:33
  to
• 45:33
  do
• 45:33
  like
• 45:33
  my
• 45:34
  neck
• 45:34
  exercises
• 45:35
  by
• 45:35
  the
• 45:35
  end
• 45:35
  of
• 45:35
  the
• 45:35
  day.
• 45:36
  And
• 45:36
  you
• 45:36
  don't
• 45:36
  want
• 45:36
  to
• 45:36
  get
• 45:37
  stuck
• 45:37
  in
• 45:37
  a
• 45:37
  lift
• 45:37
  with
• 45:37
  them
• 45:37
  because
• 45:38
  that's
• 45:38
  happened
• 45:38
  with
• 45:38
  them
• 45:38
  as
• 45:38
  well.
• 45:39
  Five
• 45:39
  strong
• 45:40
  men
• 45:40
  stuck
• 45:40
  in
• 45:40
  a
• 45:40
  lift.
• 45:40
  It's.
• 45:41
  Yeah.
• 45:41
  All
• 45:42
  be
• 45:42
  trapped.
• 45:42
  Positive
• 45:43
  experience.
• 45:43
  Well,
• 45:44
  not
• 45:44
  when
• 45:44
  they're.
• 45:45
  They
• 45:45
  all
• 45:45
  got
• 45:45
  very
• 45:45
  nervous.
• 45:46
  I'm
• 45:46
  the
• 45:46
  one
• 45:46
  trying
• 45:46
  to
• 45:46
  sort
• 45:47
  the
• 45:47
  situation
• 45:47
  out.
• 45:48
  They're
• 45:48
  like,
• 45:48
  oh
• 45:48
  my
• 45:48
  God,
• 45:49
  I'm
• 45:49
  claustrophobic.
• 45:50
  I
• 45:50
  don't
• 45:50
  like
• 45:50
  this.
• 45:51
  Guys,
• 45:51
  don't
• 45:52
  worry,
• 45:52
  it's
• 45:52
  all
• 45:53
  gonna
• 45:53
  be
• 45:53
  fine.
• 45:54
  I've
• 45:54
  got
• 45:55
  this
• 45:55
  rest
• 45:55
  the
• 45:56
  alarm,
• 45:56
  probably
• 45:57
  be
• 45:57
  an
• 45:57
  hour
• 45:57
  or
• 45:57
  so.
• 45:57
  We'll
• 45:58
  be
• 45:58
  fine.
• 45:59
  But
• 45:59
  no,
• 45:59
  it's
• 45:59
  just,
• 46:00
  yeah.
• 46:00
  Creating
• 46:00
  that
• 46:01
  good
• 46:01
  balance
• 46:01
  between
• 46:02
  work
• 46:02
  and
• 46:03
  home
• 46:03
  life,
• 46:03
  spending
• 46:04
  lots
• 46:04
  of.
• 46:05
  With
• 46:05
  family.
• 46:06
  And
• 46:07
  I
• 46:07
  always
• 46:07
  say
• 46:07
  to
• 46:07
  my
• 46:07
  mom,
• 46:08
  it's
• 46:08
  having
• 46:08
  things
• 46:09
  to
• 46:09
  look
• 46:09
  forward
• 46:09
  to,
• 46:10
  whether
• 46:10
  that
• 46:10
  is
• 46:11
  just
• 46:11
  actually
• 46:12
  enjoying
• 46:13
  a
• 46:14
  time,
• 46:14
  going
• 46:14
  for
• 46:15
  a
• 46:15
  lovely
• 46:15
  walk
• 46:15
  with.
• 46:16
  With
• 46:16
  friends
• 46:16
  and
• 46:16
  family,
• 46:17
  cooking
• 46:17
  something
• 46:17
  nice.
• 46:18
  It's
• 46:18
  just
• 46:18
  kind
• 46:19
  of
• 46:19
  having
• 46:19
  those
• 46:20
  present
• 46:20
  moments
• 46:20
  to
• 46:21
  really
• 46:21
  feel
• 46:22
  enriched
• 46:23
  is.
• 46:23
  Is
• 46:23
  something
• 46:24
  that.
• 46:24
  Yeah.
• 46:24
  Means
• 46:25
  a
• 46:25
  lot
• 46:25
  to
• 46:25
  me
• 46:25
  at
• 46:25
  the
• 46:25
  minute.
• 46:26
  Well,
• 46:26
  thank
• 46:26
  you
• 46:26
  for
• 46:26
  this
• 46:27
  chat
• 46:27
  and
• 46:27
  you're
• 46:27
  off
• 46:27
  to
• 46:27
  go
• 46:28
  and
• 46:28
  have
• 46:28
  a
• 46:28
  lovely
• 46:28
  lunch
• 46:29
  in
• 46:29
  the
• 46:29
  sunshine.
• 46:29
  In
• 46:29
  the
• 46:29
  sunshine.
• 46:30
  No,
• 46:30
  it's
• 46:30
  a
• 46:30
  lovely
• 46:31
  day
• 46:31
  today
• 46:31
  with.
• 46:31
  Your
• 46:31
  husband,
• 46:32
  so
• 46:32
  enjoy
• 46:33
  and
• 46:34
  thank
• 46:34
  you
• 46:34
  so
• 46:34
  much.
• 46:35
  Oh,
• 46:35
  it's
• 46:35
  been
• 46:35
  a
• 46:35
  pleasure.
• 46:36
  Thank
• 46:36
  you.
• 46:36
  Thanks
• 46:37
  for
• 46:37
  listening
• 46:37
  to
• 46:38
  dawn
• 46:38
  of
• 46:38
  a
• 46:39
  New
• 46:39
  Era,
• 46:39
  the
• 46:39
  podcast
• 46:40
  brought
• 46:40
  to
• 46:40
  you
• 46:40
  in
• 46:40
  association
• 46:41
  with
• 46:41
  the
• 46:42
  Her
• 46:42
  Power
• 46:43
  Community.
• 46:43
  This
• 46:44
  initiative
• 46:44
  was
• 46:45
  founded
• 46:45
  by
• 46:45
  myself
• 46:46
  and
• 46:46
  it's
• 46:46
  all
• 46:46
  about
• 46:46
  empowering
• 46:47
  female
• 46:47
  founders
• 46:48
  to
• 46:48
  recognize
• 46:49
  their
• 46:49
  limitless
• 46:50
  potential
• 46:51
  and
• 46:51
  pursue
• 46:52
  their
• 46:52
  ambitions
• 46:52
  with
• 46:53
  confidence.
• 46:54
  Now,
• 46:54
  there
• 46:54
  is
• 46:54
  less
• 46:55
  than
• 46:55
  1.8%
• 46:56
  that
• 46:56
  goes
• 46:56
  into
• 46:57
  investing
• 46:58
  in
• 46:58
  female
• 46:58
  founded
• 46:58
  businesses
• 46:59
  and
• 47:00
  we
• 47:00
  are
• 47:00
  here
• 47:01
  to
• 47:01
  make
• 47:01
  positive
• 47:02
  change.
• 47:02
  So
• 47:02
  come
• 47:03
  and
• 47:03
  support
• 47:03
  us
• 47:03
  on
• 47:03
  Instagram
• 47:04
  at
• 47:04
  Her
• 47:05
  Power
• 47:05
  Community
• 47:06
  and
• 47:06
  find
• 47:06
  out
• 47:06
  more
• 47:07
  about
• 47:07
  what
• 47:07
  we're
• 47:07
  doing
• 47:08
  to
• 47:08
  support
• 47:08
  female
• 47:09
  founders
• 47:09
  to
• 47:09
  scale
• 47:10
  and
• 47:10
  grow
• 47:10
  their
• 47:10
  businesses.