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Personal Defense Scenarios You Might Want To Consider · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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Here we are turning the page on the rundown quite literally. I mean that
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we are in the month of April. Unbelievable that we are in the month
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of April, and it is the first Wednesday of the month, which means
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it's time to talk personal defense and back in his old stomping grounds here in
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Studio one B. It's J. D. Johnson of the Talent Training Group.
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He is the co founder and co owner and co host of Talent Outdoors.
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He is the one and only J. D. Johnson A low friend.
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How are you? I'm great? How are you good? You miss
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being in the studio to recorder? You like being in your new confience.
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I like our new studio. It's nice. It's nice to be able to
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walk out of my office and go across the hall though, and not have
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to drive into town. But yeah, I miss it here, dude.
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What's I mean? Come on? This is homie. Yeah, how you
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been I've been good. We were just talking about the different roles that you
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have played when it comes to your law enforcement background. Yeah. Did you
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ever find anybody make ecstasy pills into different things? I've never I've seen the
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I have seen the different shapes and the colors and all that. Really,
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yeah, it's a you know, I mean it starts out as a compressed
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powder and you can buy the pill presses through through gray market sites and stuff,
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and yeah, that's just nuts. Never actually found somebody. I have
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caught a guy manufacturing ecstasy once upon a time in another lifetime ago, but
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it was it was all in the just one big conglomerate form. It was
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in a powder form at the time. It wasn't hadn't been pressed. Before
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we get into some specific scenarios, I want to throw your way and get
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your thoughts on broadly speaking macro view, do you think we're more violent society
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than we were, say and you were leaving law enforcement. No, not
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necessarily. I mean I think we've gone through there have been eras or short
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periods of time when there seemed like there was an uptick in violence along the
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way. When when crack cocaine first came to Tallahassee, it was there was
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a very violent time and it kind of there was a lull afterwards when it
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kind of started to die down. But I think the I think the value
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of human life in general has gone down dramatically in the last I don't know
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fifteen years or so, fifteen twenty years, how much has the effort to
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criminalize law enforcement by degrading them, defunding them, making them the focus of
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whatever contributed to the challenges that law enforcements facing today. Oh, it's you
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know when when a when a law enforcement officer has to go to work every
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day and wonder if he's going to get in trouble or she's going to get
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in trouble for doing their job correctly, because it it it's a it's a
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takes a mental toll, and it kind of makes them not want to do
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anything that they don't absolutely have to. I would think now I've been retired
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for ten years and I don't have a I don't have my finger on the
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pulse of the average street cop anymore because I don't other than when they come
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out and go do some shooting at the range. Yeah, yeah, I
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mean I don't. But I'm not out there every day doing it. You
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know. It's uh, but I would have to think that, and and
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it's it's always even when I was there, it's it's always in the back
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of your mind. But it's, uh, I think now more than ever
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because of what you see on television and people taking you know, everything is
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recorded now, I mean everything we do is recorded. There's somebody with a
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camera on something, or there's a camera, a traffic camera on the pole
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up there that's getting us. So everything is examined. And a lot of
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times you see those you see snippets, you see short, little verticate contexts.
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You don't get context, you don't get what happened before, what happened
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after. You're just seeing the you're just seeing that that five second or that
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ten second clip of things. And a lot of times the context matters more
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so than the than that five second clip or whatever. When we come back,
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I'm gonna I'm gonna segue from this into some scenarios and we'll start talking
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through what you might think about in advance, because again, as we always
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talk about, with regardless situation, situational awareness and and such, it's really
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helpful to think about what you might or should do in a given situation before
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it happens. Wherever you may be, from Florida Sunshine State to California.
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They scratch that California is hopeless. For the rest, We're your Morning Show,
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The Morning Show with Preston Scott. I actually have some pins in California.
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We actually have a listener to go figure JD Johnson with me from the
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Talent Training Group our Personal Defense segment. JD, let's segue as we talked
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about law enforcement officers and you know, now you mentioned cameras everywhere, the
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dash cams, people video camera in their phones, cars, just civilians have
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dash cams. What's the best guidance that we should think about if we see
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a law enforcement officer in trouble and by that I mean something's going bad when
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they're making they're pulling someone over, or they're trying to make an arrest.
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Well, you have kind of have to let your conscience be your guide and
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your you have to understand, you have to know yourself, your skill level,
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your ability to actually help. A lot of times, being a good
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witnesses his help. But yeah, I've been in situations that we're seeing it
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now back to back to everything being recorded, we're seeing it's always happened.
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I had a I was in a fighting against fighting three guys one time and
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a guy stepped in and said, you can't do that. He's a he's
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a police and grabbed one of the guys that I'm literally was that guy physically
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able? Yeah, he was bigger than he was bigger than you or bigger
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than me, So he clearly knew how to take care of himself. Yeah,
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And he grabbed one of the one of the three guys that I was
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trying to detain, and you know, and help me and and and it
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wasn't a it wasn't a life or death situation. At least it wasn't at
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that d and escalated to that. But I was sure glad to see him,
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you know. And the big biggest thing is I would say, if
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you're going to help you, let that officer or officers that are there know
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that you are there to help them. I'm on your side. Offer what
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can I do to help? How can I help you? Alsir? I'm
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here to help you, and make it plain and loud and so that you
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don't become part of the problem. What is protocol from the perspective of the
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officer in a situation where you obviously you don't know when it's going to go
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south. But I tend to think talking to my brother and knowing you and
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Charlie and listening to what you guys have talked about over the years, you
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develop a sense you just kind of know. Most times, if you're pulling
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over a car and it's filled with guys, are you calling back up right
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away, regardless of the pullover or how quickly into the event, are you
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looking for help? In other words, it's help on the way most of
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the time. When a traffic stop, let's just talk about traffic stops.
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When a traffic stop, excuse me, is initiated, you're trying to give
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information to the dispatcher over the radio. You're saying that the location, the
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tag number, the make, model, color of the vehicle, number of
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known occupants. You know, you're putting that information out. And you know,
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in my experience listening to other people talk on the radio and having them
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listen to me, you can tell by their voice, because you get really
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familiar with somebody's voice on the radio, and you can kind of tell just
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in the way they say what they're saying, whether or not they're getting the
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whether or not their Spidey senses tingling, or you know, you don't.
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I didn't make a practice of always asking for backup on every traffic stop,
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but there were times when I immediately said, get me another unit rolling this
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way, get another a ruling this way. Sometimes that's a long way off,
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and then it's all you have to take into account. And with today's
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technology, officers pretty much know can have a they have a map going on,
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a GPS tracking of the cars and that kind of stuff that everybody kind
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of knows where everybody else is. They may not know exactly what they're doing
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or how busy they are, sure, but they kind of know where they're
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at and what kind of call they're on. So all that's taken into account.
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If I were to recommend to motorists, obviously, Lass says if somebody's
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pulled over on the side of the road, that you're to slow down at
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the very least, and if possible, pull over to give space, save
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space. If I were to suggest to listeners, as you're slowing down and
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driving by, just take a look, just pay attention to what's going on,
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it might make a difference. Sure, is that good advice? Absolutely?
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Well, you need to be in that heightened sense of awareness anyway,
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anytime there's a traffic stop absolutely going on, you don't ever know how that
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might all of a sudden affect you. And yeah, I mean it helps
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to pay attention for Sure. Twenty one after the hour, Jad Johnson of
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the Talent Training Group, My guests are talking personal defense. We've talked about
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how weather to intervene if you see an officer in trouble. Let's talk about
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the scenarios that we see all the time on video. We see stories about
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it where something happens in a store, in a fast food restaurant and some
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kind of business establishment. You're there, you're you're having a meal, or
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you're a patron and you're just doing your thing shopping and someone shows up with
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a gun at the at the clerk and they're not just brandishing the weapon,
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they are pointing it. The rules of engagement well legal from a legal side
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of them. You can put yourself in the shoes of the person having the
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gun pointed at them, so legally you're very justified. I don't like to
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get into the forcible felony gives you there, you know, intervening in aforcable
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felony gives you the authority even though it does legally, but you can put
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yourself in that person's shoes. The store clerks when you start interceding to prevent
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a forcible felony yeah, that's the legal grounds, but who are you to
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who are you How do you know it's a forcible felony? But you can
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always say, Okay, if I was that person standing behind the cash register
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and somebody's pointing a gun at me, and if I had the ability to
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defend myself, I probably would at that point. And in today's world we
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see so many once. Like I said earlier, the value of human life
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has become so diminished, I would say you're probably on safer ground for your
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own well being taking action, then you would be if you're able to do
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so. Now, if you're the if you're the guy or girl that hits
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the panic button and you become a gelatinous blob under stress, you're probably you
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probably shouldn't intervene. You probably should run or hide or whatever get away.
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If you have command of your faculties and you have training, and you have
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the ability to do something, and you're paying enough attention to wait for the
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right time to do that, you know that's I'm I'm always going to take
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action in those situations. I watched and I told you about the video.
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A guy decides to rob a fast food place. The only couple in the
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restaurant dining happened to be a husband and wife that were both police officers.
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She says to her husband, is that what I think it is? And
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they both immediately went and they went into tactical about it exactly. So my
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question then becomes for the average person. They they've done some training, they're
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proficient with a firearm. What are the next considerations from that? You guys
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are trained to just intuitively do they took angles where they weren't gonna shoot and
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hit the clerk. That was first thing that I noticed. What about the
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rest of us? You need to be thinking the same way. I mean
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obviously that's you have to limit the amount of it to the best of your
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ability, limit the amount of danger to innocent bystanders, and follow the cardinal
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rules of firearm safety. You know, be sure of your target and your
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backstop. Yeah, target in what's behind your target? You know, it
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would be a horrible thing to do the right thing and still end up hurting
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an innocent person. That would be a terrible thing. So you, like
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I said, you have to be able to think your way through this puzzle
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that you've been you know, had thrust upon you, and does that go
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back to what we talk about with situational awareness and thinking about it in advance,
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like even now, what would you do if right? And the way
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you do that is through training. The more you train, the more confidence
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you have, the calmer you're going to be in a bad situation. That's
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why we train. It's not to it's you know, training is not just
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marksmanship shooting at a square target on a square range. It's not. That's
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not what I'm talking about, or not what we talk about when we talk
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about training. We're talking about real life you know, real life scenarios.
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There's ways to train for that, and there is a certain confidence level that
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you can acquire through doing that kind of training. And the more confidence you
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have, and the more training you have, and the more that then your
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panic level or your stress level in those situations goes down. What does the
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laws say if the guy holding the gun on the clerk is holding a fake
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gun? What did you believe it to be at the time. It's there's
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because those stories are there's robberies that happen every day with BB guns or airsoft
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guns that look like real guns, and it is what you believed it to
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be at the time. We read and see incidents all the time where police
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officersp people that are just armed with a BB gun. Well, he didn't
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know that exactly. If he knew it was a BB gun, he wouldn't
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have reacted the way he did. And there's plenty of toy guns out there
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now or BB guns or airsoft guns that look very very real. Let's just
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start with the presumption that he's right. Believe me, it works around here.
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This is the Morning Show with Preston Scott back with Jad Johnson of the
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Talent Training Group. We're talking personal defense and a lot of different arenas.
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This is road rage, but it's not. This is a scenario that happens
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multiple times in every city every day. In this case, a grandfather,
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though not a very old grandfather. The guy was, you know, probably
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younger than me. It's going to a walmart, backs up to look for
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to go into a parking spot. He did not see the lady backing out
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of her parking spot. He hit the car. Police describe it as a
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scratch or two. He gets out of the car to apologize for being at
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fault. She shot him in the face and killed him. First of all,
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I don't know what he did wrong, But I also don't know if
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doing the right thing in this day and age is something you can do normally.
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Yeah, yeah, without seeing his behavior when he got out of the
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car, that's that's one thing you have to look at. And then you
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know, pull the let's go to the video. If he just got out
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to walk back there and say he was sorry, then he absolutely just got
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murdered. You know, that's just and and we'll go back again to the
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value of the human life again. So well, let's talk about a thing
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to do there, Preston. I mean, there's nothing we can't say.
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Let's forget the apology. Yeah, you get into a fender bender. By
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law, you're supposed to write, You're supposed to stop and exchange insurance information,
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maybe take some photos if needed, you call police. Do you always
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call police? I would recommend that in a traffic crash, Yeah, in
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a park, in a private parking lot like that, you still have a
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duty to report that, Okay, okay. If if the damage is there's
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a certain and it's hard for us to say what there's a certain amount of
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damage that requires a police report, and I don't know what it is anymore.
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If it's one thousand dollars or five hundred dollars or whatever. That requires
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a police report. Now that can be a self report. Sure there's the
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ability to self report that crash for insurance purpose, but just to have an
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impartial person there to do it, I would always call law enforcement and let
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them tell you whether or not you can file it over the phone or well,
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they'll send an officer. In the case of of you know, whether
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it's a fender bender in a parking lot like this or on the side of
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the road. I know that there's an immediate pressure on those in the in
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the in the accident or the crash to get out of the way, to
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not hold up traffic. Correct move the car out of the out of the
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road if possible, even if that's maybe changing the perspective of the incident,
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still required to do it. Okay, So the law says, move the
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car out of the flow of traffic. Yes, all right. Having said
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that, are we at a point now where you don't get out of your
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car if you're armed, you keep a firearm handy, and you wait for
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police to arrive before you approach the other person. No, probably not,
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because how do you know that's not going to trigger them to get mad and
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walk up to your window where you're where you're in a more vulnerable position sitting
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in a car. If they're mad enough to shoot you in the face standing
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outside your car, they're probably going to be mad enough to walk up to
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your car and shoot you through the window. And the what do you do?
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He assess the situation, do the best you can, and you absolutely
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cannot prevent all of this stuff. There's there's it's impossible. I mean,
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I'm sure that that man when he got out of his car, if he
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got out of his car to walk back and apologize or to just to say,
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hey, what are we going to do about this, he probably wasn't
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expecting that reaction. And that now that goes to my next question. Do
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we then have to go to the step of assuming that not everybody's going to
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receive your apology or exchange information. Well, yes, and that is the
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when we talk about minimal preparedness and paying attention to your surroundings and all of
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these things. He needs to be looking that you need to be paying attention
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to the other person's reaction, what their hands and arms are, Yeah,
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what are the how are they behaving? And that's the that's the being aware
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of your surroundings right there, what we're talking about. So you do all
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the right things, but you do them with a sense of what could happen
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and being prepared as you can be. Absolutely, and that's when you say,
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oh, I need to go, hide, run, fight, whatever
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it is I need to do to survive this incident. What a tragedy though.
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Yeah. Absolutely. One final segment here, JD. Johnson, remember
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talentrange dot com very simple, And that's kind of the the the point I
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want to drive home here, JD, is you can actually do some things
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other than just stand still and shoot at paper targets. Sure, you know,
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we we built our range in such a way where you can move.
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You can move forward, move backwards, move latterly and put yourself in those
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scenarios if I've got to move to cover, moving to cover, putting,
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putting an obstacle between you and whatever the threat is is such a huge tenant
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of good tactics. You know, standing in one place, if you have
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a really really good shooting stance when you're shooting, your tactics are terrible.
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Uh. That's kind of a that's kind of a running joke if you've got
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a great stance, your tactics are horrible. So uh so, assuming the
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position to fire you practice. You talk about marksmanship, Sure, you talk
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about grip stance, side alignment, and trigger control. Those are your you
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know, side alignments like picture trigger control, those are your tenants of mark
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good marksmanship. Well if you if you're practicing all of those in a in
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a real life scenario, your tactics are bad. If your if your stance
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is good and your tactics are bad. So you know, the first thing
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I would say is put some builds, some movement into your drills. The
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other one, and the really only truly true way to train for this stuff
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is by setting up some sort of scenario to where you're moving to cover.
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If you're life our doing life our stuff, you're moving to cover. You
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have cover there, you you have physical barriers or whatever else. You have
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covers to cover to move to, and you learn to shoot around those covers
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from odd positions. One of the most valuable trainings that is really difficult to
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do, is time consuming and expensive, is scenario based training. As you
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or you have live players with either air soft or paintball or or simmunitions or
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whatever law enforcement does this all the time. With UH simmunitions, You're you're
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simulating stress. You are it is it is stress and oculation is exactly what
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that kind of training is called. Where you're you're putting the UH, the
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the stress or the fear of getting hit what they projectile that stings. You
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can do this with airsoft. You can do it with paintball. You can
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do it with with UH the simmunitions equipment, which is very expensive, a
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munition's equipment of the law enforcement uses is very expensive, but it's very worth
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it. You know. You can also do it with with with the the
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paintball stuff. Some of your best tacticians combat tacticians are guys that play paintball
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or girls that play paintball. You know, I'm gonna I'm going to mix
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metaphors here. I had someone say, if you want to learn how in
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the game of golf to be a good scorer of the golf ball, don't
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practice with multiple golf balls at the putting green. Take one one ball,
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chip with one ball, and putt with one ball. Take the result of
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would it be better to learn how to shoot effectively for self defense reasons?
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To not ever do the stance to learn the fundamentals, but to do them
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in a more practical application. Yeah, you still need to know. You
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still need to understand the shooting platform, okay, and the shooting plat form.
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Most of the time happens from the waist up the grip and the placement
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of your arms and all that stuff. The shoot a good shooting platform tends
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to happen with your upper body. It never hurts to stand still and shoot
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from one place. It's it's all just not afforded that right. But in
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a real life situation, you don't want to be standing still. If somebody
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is shooting back at you or pointing the gun back at you, you definitely
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don't want to be standing still. You don't want to be where you were
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half a second ago. You know, you always want to be moving,
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uh to or from one place to another. So there are ways to enhance
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your abilities under stress. There are, Like I said, the best one
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is scenario based training. We can simulate that with with the laser shots system,
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where you're interacting with with a video screen. You know, but like
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you said, paying attention to the news clips and watching watching the video that
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we have the ability to see real life situations, all because everything's on tape.
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Every time you're rolling that through the roll of Dix in your brain,
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you're learning something and saying, that's where that guy made a mistake. I
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would have done this, you know, and just or I would have done
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this. That guy didn't do that, and that's why he's still alive right
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exactly, exactly as always. Thanks for the time. I appreciate it,
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my friend. It all right. J D. Johnson talent training group.
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You can listen to him Saturday is Talent Outdoors along with Charlie Strickland and the
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growing cast of thousands every Saturday. And of course we'll be back with Charlie
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in a couple of weeks here in our personal defense segment