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Ram Outsold Jeep This Quarter. First Time in Years · Jeep Talk Show

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electric plans after demand came in lower
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than expected. Jeep was down about 20%
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in the third quarter.
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Ram was up about 29.
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Stay for the next minute. Josh thinks
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that gap closes by year end,
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and he has no numbers to
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back that up. All right, Josh,
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here we are again. We're going to talk
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about Stellantis going out of business.
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I'm finally getting back in
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the studio and, uh, and yeah,
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it's kind of on a bad
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news note, isn't it?
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So we're going to talk about where you've
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been, why you've been gone,
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and we'll get a little health update on,
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about on both of us. Um,
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so anyway, I saw this, uh, how to say it,
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this click bait, uh,
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YouTube title, uh, for a Stellantis Jeep
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and Ram going out of business.
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And I know we've reported on it for years
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about a Jeep having problems, uh,
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selling stuff or their
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sales being down. And, uh,
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I asked AI to give me some information
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about Stellantis going out of business,
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or specifically Jeep Ram going out of
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business. And, uh, AI says,
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click bait, which is good news. Yeah.
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But it gives us an opportunity to talk
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about, uh, where Stellantis is, uh,
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is going. So, uh, I
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thought it was interesting.
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Stellantis posted a full
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year 2025 net loss of 22.3
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billion. That's how you
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do it. Billion with an M.
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Mostly from writing down its electric
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vehicle plans after demand came in much
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lower than expected.
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Well, when the, uh, uh,
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bastard communist
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government stops mandating EVs,
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it does have a tendency
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to knock EV sales down.
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Why in the hell would anybody want to
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force a technology that nobody wants?
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It did. I mean, we,
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we beat this to death.
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We yeah, we've, how long is the term go
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woke, go broke, you know,
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it has been around. So they obviously
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didn't get the memo and they,
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they put all their
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eggs in one basket. They,
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they made a gamble and it didn't pay off
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and now they're going to try and blame
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Jeep and Ram. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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That's not how this works. You know,
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as a car company who's got multiple
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labels under its umbrella, uh,
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and making a bad
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decision for, you know, the,
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and all of the entities underneath that
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umbrella as a whole,
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it's just a bad move. And, and we saw it
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coming. We talked about it.
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We sort of knew the writing was on the
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wall at the time. And well,
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here we are. It's all come to fruition.
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Gee, please list the us. Yeah. We can
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think, why can't anybody else think?
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I mean, uh, I mean, you're up there in
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the Pacific Northwest. How are you?
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And I know the answer to this, but how
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are you about this, this green stuff? Uh,
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you know, we're, we're all going to die.
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The oceans are going to rise.
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I'm up to my eyeballs in a Tony. I'm,
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I'm living in the realm
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of the greeny weeny itself.
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It is bananas out here. Uh, and, and
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yeah, it's, it's, it's all over it.
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This is, I wouldn't say
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this is where it started,
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but this certainly seems to be an
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epicenter for the movement, uh,
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that in Washington DC, of course. So, um,
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but with all the eco nuts around me and
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everybody who's trying to virtue signal
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about being friendly to the environment,
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driving a car that was absolutely the
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worst for the environment in the process
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of making it, uh, is, is just, you know,
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beyond me and the numbers that are here
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are astounding, but yeah, so I'm,
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I'm surrounded by it all
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the time. It's not fun.
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You know, I have no problem with the
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environment, a good environment,
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a pristine environment, fresh air. I
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think that's, I think that's wonderful.
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Absolutely. I'm, I'm tread lightly. I'm
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tread lightly certified. You know, I,
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I, you know, participate in,
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in, in that mindset, I go out,
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try and teach people
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the same sort of thing,
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leave the environment in a better
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condition than when you arrived that way,
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when we go out on trails, when new
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systems or, or, or
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whatever need to be built,
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there's a better chance that we can be
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good stewards of the land showing an
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example of what we've done in the past,
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leaving places better than
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leave the environment for the other
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people to enjoy it
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later after we're gone or
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too old to get out there. So it's great.
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I like that. But the,
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the problem I have
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with it is, is that we,
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we shouldn't have to live in a teepee
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with no air conditioning,
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eaten Buffalo, although it sounds like a
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fun weekend, you know,
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nice place to visit, but I
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wouldn't want to live there.
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Exactly. So, uh, I just understand.
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So you're not as old as I am.
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I am old enough to remember five or six
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things that we've gone
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through as a, at least American or
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worldwide population of these terrors.
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They've made movies about them. The China
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syndrome was one of the terrors.
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You remember the Soy and green was one of
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the terrors because we were going to
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overpopulate and run out of food.
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So it seems like we have these things
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that come up like once every 10 years
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where people, yeah, where people generate
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books, they create movies.
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It's a money making
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operation. It also too,
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I think the government
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uses it to control us.
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If nothing else, get our money because
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they're going to save us. Number one,
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we have to elect them because they're
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going to save us. And number two,
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we got to give them our money so that
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they can lie in their pockets.
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And I think that with what we've seen
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here in the last two or three years,
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it's really clear that you get into
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politics so that you can become rich.
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You know, the scariest words that anybody
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will ever hear is I'm from the
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government and I'm here to help. Yeah.
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Ronald Reagan. Absolutely.
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There you go. There you go.
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Who was part of the government, which is
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kind of scary. Um, so anyway,
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this is Stellantis. Uh, I know we were
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not supposed to go political here.
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And I'm not, and I blame of both sides.
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It's politics in general.
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We go down rabbit trails. We've got a
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long history of doing that. So it's,
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it'll happen on one
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topic or another. Yeah.
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So don't think we're
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picking on liberals or Democrats.
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We're picking on the whole thing.
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And I think I've been
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clear about this in the past.
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Neither one of them are great. They're
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all a pain in the ass. Uh,
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the summer just a little less pain in the
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ass than the others. And I think,
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and I think they're all crooked. Um,
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that's why I think it's a good idea to
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have somebody in charge.
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That's a billionaire and they're less
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likely to steal from us. Um, but, uh,
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I got plenty. Oh, let me ask you this. I
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may have mentioned this before.
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I do not trust politicians, any of them,
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especially when it comes to
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power and money. Um, I think,
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and I don't mean that they, that AI
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should be making the decisions,
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but I think we should have
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an AI watchdog over Congress,
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where it monitors what they're doing with
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bills and funding and how much money
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they have in the bank
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account and explain to me how.
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I agree.
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I agree that that would be an outstanding
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degree of accountability that the
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government absolutely needs, but, uh,
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obviously it will never come to fruition.
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No, no, because Congress
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would have to approve it.
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Well, of course now appropriation.
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We should have a watchdog group that we
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can trust, not Congress,
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cause Congress is the watchdog group
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right now and you can't,
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you can't have people doing it because
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they'll get paid off to make the right
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decisions that the people in power want.
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So I love the idea of, uh, an honest AI
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and it doesn't do anything other.
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Oh, you know what it does?
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It does what the fucking media should be
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doing and reporting on the information.
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You know, the, really the reason why
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they're there not to,
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not to generate information
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to lead us one way or another.
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We saw so much of that
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and see it from day to day,
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but actually have an entity that reports
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things accurately. What is it that,
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uh, that Fox news would say, uh, we
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report, you decide that's what we need.
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Slogan. Sure. All right.
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Anyway. And Stellantis,
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mentioned, uh, this, this, this, this
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clickbait on these videos,
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don't trust YouTube videos except for
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this one, uh, that we're in.
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We are on YouTube, but of course we're on
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all the audio as well.
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There is a degree of truth behind the
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clickbait because indeed Jeep sales have
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slid quite a bit this
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in the last year. Uh,
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and Ram has surpassed Jeep for the first
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time I think ever, uh, in sales.
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And I don't have the
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numbers in front of me directly,
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but it has been enough to where somebody
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over in the executive suites have got
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to wake up and realize we've
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been making some wrong moves.
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Something's going on here. We need to
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adjust the sales a
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little bit or possibly,
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you know, maybe fire the entire marketing
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department. I don't know. I,
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I think Jeep has been doing that. I've
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heard about a lot of
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people that are being
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let go. I hope so. I hope so because this
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last couple of years honestly has been
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some of the worst marketing campaigns I
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have ever seen come out of Jeep,
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even under the Stellantis umbrella.
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So there's definitely been a change over
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there and there has to be another change
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coming up because clearly the last couple
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of years hasn't worked.
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And I think we can see it in the sales
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numbers as well since I mean,
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Ram is coming out significantly ahead of
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Jeep when it comes to, you know,
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sales quarter, you know, year over year
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and quarter over quarter. So,
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well, let me ask you about the Ram thing
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and I'll just not as mentioned here.
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I was up about 29% for the quarter and
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roughly 20% year to date.
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So they're definitely doing well.
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Double digit increase like that year over
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year. That is, that is significant.
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So my assumption, I haven't been, you
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know, shopping for a full size pickup.
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I love them, but I haven't
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been shopping for one. So,
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but my assumption is, is
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that Ford and Chevrolet,
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Chevrolet are just too fucking expensive
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because I do remember the Ram trucks
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were capable and what I would consider
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other than a Ford because I think if I
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wanted a really good pickup, at least
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traditionally I'd want to Ford pickup and
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but they're so expensive. The Dodge Ram
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was a better pricing.
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So I'm wondering if that's the reason why
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they're doing so well.
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You look at, you know, who's going to be
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buying a base level, you know,
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pickups from, from the manufacturer.
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And when you look at a base level Chevy
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and a base level Ram,
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there's almost no
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comparison as far as appearance goes.
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The Ram just has a better design from the
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outside on the base level.
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You know, it used to be
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beautiful. Ford was not,
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never would I consider beautiful Chevy
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still is in the last, you know, 25, 26
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models that they're,
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they're upper level trim levels are quite
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nice to look at. Um,
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and it's not like that. It's not like the
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classic. You remember the, the, the,
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the square bodies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That
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was a good looking truck. Really.
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I'm waiting to see what if and when Chevy
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ever goes back with, you know, the,
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uh, the throwback design, you know, kind
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of like they did with the cool stuff.
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They have some sort of an option like
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that. Even if it's on the Colorado,
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I could see that
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working, but yeah, anyways.
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Yeah. So, uh, and I think the,
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I haven't looked at the Dodge Ram
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recently, but they're a little more,
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little curvy for me. I kind of like the
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whole Jeep boxy thing,
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but in the trucks, you know, no doubt, no
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doubt. I mean, we're,
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that's why we're Jeep owners. We, there's
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something that we, you know,
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the draws us to it, you know, not only
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visually, but you know,
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functionally as well. And, and, and
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clearly, you know, we,
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if we were, uh, you know,
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other, other kinds of guys,
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we may have a Ram in the driveway instead
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of a, instead of a Jeep, but you know,
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who knows? Well, I mean, you remember
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Chuck, right? You know,
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that's why Chuck buys,
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where's Chuckles at where? Yeah, buddy.
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Do you know that he popped into a round
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table, uh, two weeks ago?
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Oh yeah. I saw something about that. Uh,
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it was after the fact and I,
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and I missed out and it was just, there
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was no, it was not in the cards. So yeah,
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miss you Chuck.
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By the way. Um, so, uh, I think I've told
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you about this and this is a good segue
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for me to mention this here. We'll get
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back to this to Lance and stuff. Um,
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so, uh, Chuck actually showed up. I don't
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think he watched it.
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He actually showed up on
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movie night. So on Tuesday night,
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7 30 PM central time, uh, which we're
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recording this on a Tuesday.
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So we're going to be doing it tonight.
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Uh, we have movie night and movie night
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is a way for you to make
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comments on a shared movie.
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So we play the video of the movie and we
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record the zoom meeting,
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the round table where we can make
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comments and questions
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and side comments about
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the video. And then you can
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go back. You can watch it live.
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If you're there on the
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round table on Tuesday nights,
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or you can go back and watch it and
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listen to all the comments.
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Whole idea is Mr. Science theater 3000,
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but this is Jeep related or off road
12:53
related and not a, you know, sci-fi.
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So, uh, uh, anyway, uh, this,
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uh, I think it's a cool idea.
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People are really
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enjoying it. And, uh, oh, you,
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do you know Marvin from
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flex rocks and rollovers?
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I do not. Have you ever seen that where
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it's like the 24 hour, uh,
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hell and back, uh,
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videos where they go out?
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No, I, I, I, my, my, the hair on the back
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of my neck stand enough.
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Sounds like something that
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I really be interested in.
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Very, very popular videos. So, um, uh,
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Marvin has been on the show before I
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interviewed him out at EJS one year and,
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uh, I made comment,
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uh, in a post about, uh,
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wouldn't it be cool to get
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Marvin in the round table?
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We play a flex rocks and rollover video
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and then you get the inside,
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the director's cut. I
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think Chris is called it. Yeah.
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We're, we're Marvin is talking about the
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behind the scenes type stuff that
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happened. That's cool. Did that, that
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could that happen? Will that happen?
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Well, I commented, uh,
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whenever I put a post up on social media
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and Marvin responded back, uh,
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count me in, you know,
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outstanding. Yeah. Yeah.
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So this actually might be a new thing
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that we're doing for the,
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for the round table where we have, uh,
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uh, individuals, uh, I mean, uh,
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maybe Matt, Matt's off road. Uh, we can
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get on, uh, no, this, this level of,
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uh, you know, intercommunication and,
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and, and sort of, uh, content, uh,
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uh, sharing with the, with
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the other creators and stuff.
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This is magnificent. Absolutely. This is,
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this is what the offer.
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And it's so much better
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than begging like, Hey,
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we really need your support because we
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need to get some fun. Yeah.
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Well, I think that's the whole point.
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And I think that's what we try to do here
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at the Jeep talk show is we try to
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come up with ideas that
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makes the show interesting.
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A positive reason for you to
14:37
watch, not just a fuck you,
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you fucking fuck, which are enjoyable,
14:41
but you know what I'm saying? It's just
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like, I got one coming up for you guys.
14:45
Excellent. Wait for this one.
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Excellent. All right. Anyway, uh, we go
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down these rabbit trails.
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I hope people don't mind these things so
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much. Uh, so Jeep, uh,
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Stellantis was up, but Jeep was down
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about 20% in Q3 and about
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8% for the year, 8% for the year.
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I think that's better than what it was
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last year. I mean, it's still down,
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but it's, it's only 8%. Um,
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yeah, it's Ram actually outsold Jeep, uh,
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for the quarter, which had not happened
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in years, which you pointed out,
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uh, Jeep still leads year to date, but
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only by roughly 45,000 units.
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You know, um, it's funny
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because, uh, it says here that, uh,
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the third quarter 2026, uh, it was, uh,
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it was essentially flat,
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324,277 vehicles,
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about 600 fewer than the same quarter
15:39
last year. Now, let me ask you something.
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If you were selling vehicles
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at thousands of dollars a piece,
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would you pretty be pretty happy with
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300,000 selling 300,000?
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I mean, I know it's all relative.
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They're working on, you know, maybe a two
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to 6% profit margin,
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you know, if that, but it's,
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it's all about the numbers,
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how many units you can sell.
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Um, and so, uh, the thing is,
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that as we enter into the fourth quarter,
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this is when there's going to be a lot of
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sales going on. Honestly,
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the first and fourth
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quarters of every year are,
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are typically when you're going to see
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the most auto sales. Um, and for,
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this is for, for a couple of reasons.
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Generally, uh, in the first quarter,
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you're going to see a lot of last year's
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models getting liquidated at significant
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prices. Um, and then, you know, during
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the fourth quarter, uh,
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a lot of business owners are looking at
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write off expenses,
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um, to diminish their,
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uh, taxes. Uh, and so
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you're going to, you know,
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maybe increase the fleet by a vehicle or
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something like that. And so, yeah,
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you go to the, to the dealership and buy
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yourself a new rig and,
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and bring it into the
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fleet. Maybe, you know,
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your personal rig then becomes that write
16:45
off expense or something like that.
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And you retire the other rig into back
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into the fleet or something. So, uh, you
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know, I've seen this done, I've worked
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with, you know, uh, contractors,
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as they doing this as well
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as a fleet manager myself.
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So this is common practice. And, and one
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of the things that I think we're going to
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see is that gap over a Ram is going to
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overtake Jeep by the end of the year. Um,
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am I, am I, am I, you
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know, predicting anything?
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Do I have anything to back
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this up? This is just a feeling.
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Yeah. It seems like the trend line is
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going that way. So, uh, you know,
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I don't really have anything to bet. No,
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don't, don't consider that, you know,
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betting advice or anything.
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Hey, this is all
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opinion. It's all our opinion.
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It's not anything that we've looked up.
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Don't buy stock. It's just, uh, uh,
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advice. Uh, you know, don't, uh, don't
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take it as though exactly what you should
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do. Um,
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I think the thing that surprises me is I
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hear a lot of shit about, uh,
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Jeeps. I think it's a popular thing to
17:37
do. Uh, and I think,
17:39
yeah, I think, uh,
17:41
I think a lot of the influencers are the
17:43
people out there reporting on it.
17:45
They don't like it because it's rough.
17:47
They don't like it because it's a gas
17:49
guzzler. It's not green.
17:51
It goes back to the thing, you know,
17:53
it's, it's, uh, people. And I,
17:55
I want to say manly, but it's not just
17:57
men. It's women as well.
17:59
Your Jeep doesn't have blue tow hooks.
18:04
So it is something.
18:06
So I think that there,
18:07
I think that Jeep is not a bad vehicle. I
18:10
think they just dislike it.
18:12
Um, and, uh, speaking of disliking,
18:15
and I've been told in reviews that I
18:18
shouldn't talk about
18:18
Tesla because I think
18:20
people, even though it is
18:21
definitely a green item,
18:24
I think people have got this
18:27
idea about Tesla as not being,
18:30
they don't like it because it
18:31
doesn't fit their worldview.
18:34
So I think it's Elon that
18:35
doesn't fit their worldview.
18:37
So I maintain, I've talked about this
18:40
before that I think that Jeep and Ram and
18:43
really every manufacturer out there
18:45
probably is going to
18:46
have the same issue of
18:49
not having a self driving vehicle.
18:53
Hmm. What do you know
18:54
about full self driving?
18:57
So what I've seen, I've got
18:59
the way modes or way more cars,
19:01
whatever those ugly ass bug looking
19:04
things going down the road with all the
19:05
cameras on them and stuff like that with
19:07
a fully self autonomous, right?
19:09
Or self driving, whatever. Um, look,
19:12
they seem to be doing an okay
19:13
job. I see the reports in the,
19:15
in the news about occasionally they get
19:17
stuck or they get, you know,
19:18
they get confused and they take people
19:20
the wrong ways. And,
19:21
and they're not quite dialed in yet. Um,
19:25
as with any emerging technology,
19:28
I think that there's going to be a bit of
19:30
a growing curve, um, that needs to,
19:32
and we're still very much in that,
19:35
even though self driving technology has
19:37
been around in some form or another,
19:39
even in testing for God,
19:41
it seems like 10 years.
19:42
Yeah. Remember DARPA having the trials
19:46
where they had to go out someplace and
19:48
the thing would have to drive a track.
19:50
Exactly. And that goes back, I think
19:52
close to 15 years. So, I mean,
19:54
people have been working on this for a
19:55
long time is what I'm getting at.
19:57
And we're only just now
19:58
coming into the consumer level, uh,
20:02
experience of that tech
20:03
technology coming into society.
20:05
So as it gets developed and as it gets
20:08
perfected and as it gets worked on and
20:09
more R and D gets done on it. And as it
20:11
becomes cheaper and more mainstream,
20:14
I think we're going to see a more
20:16
seamless integration
20:17
of that into our regular
20:18
lives. Um, so what do I feel about it?
20:22
I not quite at the level
20:24
yet where I would trust it.
20:25
I don't certainly need
20:26
it. I'm a driver personally.
20:28
I like being behind the wheel.
20:30
I like the connection with the road and
20:32
the vehicle and everything else like
20:33
that. I, I don't think I will ever use
20:37
one of those unless I'm traveling or
20:39
something. I'm in a
20:39
foreign city or something.
20:40
It's just easier to get around that way.
20:43
That's what I'm saying is once it becomes
20:44
at a level of mainstream where it
20:46
becomes commonplace in society, we,
20:49
every taxi is now automated completely.
20:52
You know, when, when,
20:52
when we're at that level,
20:54
I think it's you're not going to have any
20:55
choice but to sort of embrace it,
20:57
trust it, whatever. So I'm
20:59
just not quite there yet.
21:01
And I don't think the
21:01
technology is there either.
21:04
So, uh, how do you feel about driving in
21:06
traffic? I like driving too,
21:07
but how do you feel like stop and go
21:09
traffic? How do you feel about that?
21:10
Driving it?
21:11
So, I mean, you gotta
21:12
understand for 15 years,
21:14
I had an hour and a half to two hour
21:16
commute every afternoon on my way back
21:18
home. And it was close to, if not at
21:21
least an hour in the mornings. Um,
21:23
and so, you know, we're talking, you
21:25
know, two to plus to three hours or more,
21:28
every day that I would spend
21:29
in traffic, uh, for 15 years.
21:31
And there were times where I was so
21:33
mentally exhausted from not only the
21:36
workday, but then sitting in
21:38
the traffic for so effing long,
21:40
that I could literally pull
21:41
over on the side of the road,
21:42
close my eyes and probably be asleep in
21:44
30 seconds just because it's like, uh,
21:47
another son, God is no, will this ever
21:49
end? Uh, you know, so it's,
21:51
it's gets a little bit grating at times.
21:54
And I'm sure there's people down in
21:55
California and LA
21:56
area and stuff like that.
21:57
Like you have no idea, dude. And so I get
22:00
it, man. I absolutely get it.
22:02
I'm not a big fan of stop and go traffic,
22:04
but again, then again,
22:05
I'm also a motorcycle
22:06
rider as well. And so I'm, uh,
22:09
a somewhat proponent for lane
22:11
splitting, but you know, uh,
22:14
so yeah, don't get me wrong.
22:15
I fantasize about plowing through cars or
22:18
diving onto the shoulder and just
22:20
passing everybody. But I've also lived in
22:22
this area for a long time.
22:24
And I know several,
22:25
several other ulterior routes that I can
22:28
take if things get really crazy.
22:30
And I got a bug out of traffic that I can
22:32
make that happen. So, you know,
22:33
I suggest that, you know, you do the
22:35
same. If you're a rush hour,
22:37
if you're a person start looking at, you
22:38
know, some different routes for me,
22:40
it was when I was on a motorcycle and I
22:41
had no choice, but to, Hey,
22:43
this is an air cooled
22:44
machine. I got to keep moving.
22:45
Well, even if this route is going to take
22:47
me another 17 minutes longer,
22:49
I'm moving the entire time I'm driving,
22:52
I'm not stop and go.
22:53
And so it's better fuel
22:54
economy. It's more entertaining.
22:56
And in the end you still get to where
22:58
you're, you're trying to go. So,
22:59
so, you know, listening
23:00
to this, it reminds me,
23:01
because I think everybody knows we've
23:03
been doing this for close to 16 years.
23:05
So I've heard a lot about
23:06
your life and your daily drive.
23:09
So didn't you used to take alternate
23:10
routes? It wasn't always the same way.
23:13
You tried to get around traffic.
23:15
I mean, cause my, it was
23:16
door to door 40 miles, I think,
23:19
like 39.7 or something like that miles
23:23
that was from door to door.
23:24
When I saw that was my commute, you know,
23:25
I was driving 80 miles a day,
23:28
just to and from work.
23:30
And there may be people out there that
23:32
have a longer commute and maybe their
23:33
commute is backwards from
23:35
the rest of the rush hour.
23:36
And much worse than anything you could
23:38
have ever, ever survived.
23:39
All that I'm sure. Absolutely.
23:41
We've all been there and we've all got
23:43
stories, right? You know, for days.
23:45
So yeah, but it's,
23:46
it's, it's definitely a,
23:48
and it was like multiple freeway systems
23:50
as well. But yes, eventually I,
23:52
I got to the point of where I would
23:55
rather just hit some
23:57
of the surface streets
23:58
and take some of these other ulterior
24:00
routes versus staying on the freeway and
24:03
then the stop and go. And it's just, it's
24:05
more fun. I don't know.
24:06
Well, so you've actually made the, yeah,
24:08
you've actually made the point that I was
24:09
getting to is that your view of full
24:12
self driving is I'm a car guy. I'm a
24:14
vehicle guy. I like driving.
24:16
I like being in control on the same way.
24:19
But when you drive
24:21
and stop and go traffic,
24:22
one of the reasons why I like a lifted
24:24
vehicle is because I
24:25
can see over all the,
24:27
the civilian, so to speak.
24:30
That's the canyon.
24:31
Yeah. And I, or any car,
24:33
and I can kind of make decisions about
24:34
stopping and not running into the person
24:36
in front of me and so on and so forth.
24:38
And then I got to thinking about it.
24:39
If I was in a full self
24:41
driving vehicle, what do I care?
24:44
I may be frustrated about how long it
24:46
takes me to get to the office or wherever
24:48
I'm going,
24:49
but I don't have that frustration of
24:51
monitoring what's going on.
24:54
What's holding this up?
24:55
Why are you people rubbing,
24:58
at, you know, the rec,
25:00
do you know the person?
25:01
What's the odds that you're going to know
25:03
the person just move your ass.
25:05
So whenever you have full self driving,
25:07
you don't have to worry about that.
25:08
I think that all
25:10
manufacturers are going to be sucking
25:14
high in tit by not
25:16
embracing full self driving.
25:18
And when I say embracing it,
25:19
I know that like GM and Ford,
25:21
they have a type of full self driving on
25:24
specific roads that have high
25:27
density GPS information for highways. So
25:31
it can basically go straight.
25:33
But it doesn't make a lot of decisions on
25:35
like the back streets.
25:37
Not going to bring it to
25:38
drive through. So yeah.
25:40
So I think that,
25:42
and Tesla has made this
25:45
technology available to other
25:46
manufacturers for a number of years now.
25:50
And nobody, Elon said just the other day,
25:53
nobody has taken them up on it. And I
25:56
think that we were talking about
25:58
Jeeps and Rams and really
26:00
all vehicles, their sales.
26:02
So when you can have a
26:03
chauffeur for $99 a month,
26:06
and it can take you from your garage,
26:09
your driveway to work
26:12
and park where you want it to park and
26:15
you have to do nothing except
26:17
ride along. I mean, come on.
26:20
I think that Jeep needs to
26:22
embrace the full self driving.
26:25
If nothing else, like you were saying on
26:27
long trips, I've mentioned it before,
26:29
going to the lab. It absolutely needs to
26:32
be an option though.
26:34
It can't be,
26:35
you're going to buy the new Wrangler and
26:38
it's not going to have a steering wheel.
26:40
Oh no, no, no, no, no.
26:41
That's a case for cyber cab. Yeah.
26:44
That's cyber cab. That's not
26:46
the daily driver type thing.
26:48
But when we're talking about auto
26:49
manufacturers, I mean, yes,
26:50
obviously there's going to be a
26:51
manufacturer making the
26:52
quote unquote auto cab.
26:54
But, but nonetheless, I mean, even though
26:56
if Jeep and every other,
26:58
you know, automaker embraces a full
27:00
driving auto driving technology,
27:03
I don't ever see it,
27:04
at least in my lifetime,
27:06
ever being something
27:08
that isn't an option.
27:09
There's always going
27:10
to be a steering wheel.
27:11
There's always going
27:11
to have to be controls,
27:14
especially for something like a Wrangler,
27:16
right? When you're talking about,
27:17
I know you got to take it off road. 100%
27:19
right out of the sand.
27:21
Nobody wants to be self driven off road.
27:23
And if you are, no, no,
27:24
commit suicide now.
27:28
So it's, it's one of those things where
27:31
there, there's too many of us,
27:34
that there's not enough of that
27:36
technology perfected
27:38
yet for this to become so
27:39
much to where every vehicle
27:41
is and every automaker is,
27:43
is embracing it in all of
27:44
their, all their vehicles.
27:45
I don't see this becoming
27:47
in, in even 10 or 15 years,
27:49
the next cruise control where it's an
27:51
option on every vehicle.
27:53
It's pretty much almost
27:54
or standard equipment.
27:55
All you got to do is push the button and
27:57
it will at least down the freeway.
28:00
You can go hands off,
28:01
feet off and not have to worry about it
28:04
until you want to take your exit.
28:05
Let me ask you this. You mentioned the no
28:07
steering wheel, no pedals and stuff,
28:09
which really, I think any freaks anybody
28:12
out getting into a vehicle that you
28:14
can't control. It's, I mean, you can tell
28:17
it where to go, but it's not,
28:18
you're seeing that movie,
28:20
right? We've all seen it.
28:21
It's not your decision as far as turning
28:23
right, left and stuff. And you know,
28:25
manually. So that's kind of like getting
28:27
a, a Barbie as a girlfriend.
28:30
That's not anatomically
28:31
correct because there's,
28:33
there's nothing there
28:34
other than the companion show.
28:36
See how the brain works. Oh, anyway,
28:43
I just think that they're missing out.
28:45
And I think that if they would embrace,
28:46
even if they just made the announcement
28:48
that they were buying in to the full
28:50
self driving,
28:51
they were going to start making
28:52
modifications to their
28:54
their jeeps and Rams where
28:56
full self driving was going to occur. And
28:58
keep in mind, you mentioned Waymo,
28:59
Waymo has all those light, our all those
29:02
things hanging off of them.
29:03
And the whole vehicle is very expensive.
29:06
Uh, the Tesla doesn't work that way.
29:08
They use, I think eight cameras,
29:11
and they make decisions.
29:12
The AI makes decisions based on what it
29:14
sees just like we do,
29:15
except it sees better. So, uh, the, the,
29:18
the Jeep would need to add cameras.
29:21
They would need to have, uh, the, the
29:23
ability to drive by wire, break by wire,
29:25
which I, they actually have
29:26
the break by wire now. Uh,
29:28
and I guess they do have the drive by
29:29
wire a little bit for a lane, uh,
29:32
collision avoidance. And so I think some
29:34
of the mechanisms are already there.
29:36
They probably would need
29:36
to beef them up anyway.
29:38
I want to keep preaching this because I
29:40
think that we all want Jeep to continue
29:43
on. And I think for them to be
29:45
successful, they need to embrace, um,
29:47
embrace technology, not their own
29:50
technology, because I think everybody,
29:52
including the Chinese are
29:54
at least 10 years behind, uh,
29:57
Tesla on the full self driving market.
30:01
I'm I w I'm with you in the sense that I
30:04
believe that all the automakers
30:06
should be at least having an R and D
30:09
department dedicated to that technology
30:12
and, and be working on it to some level
30:16
of integration into their lineup.
30:18
That being said, I don't think that even
30:22
if Jeep made it the focal point of 20,
30:26
27 marketing campaign, that they're going
30:29
to be embracing, you know, full,
30:31
full autonomous driving, or, you know,
30:34
having that as an option even or
30:35
something like that,
30:36
is that going to save the brand?
30:38
Is that going to give them the shot in
30:41
the arm that they need to become a more
30:44
prominent automaker to surpass maybe Ford
30:47
and Chevy and sales or something like
30:49
that? I don't think that that's,
30:52
I don't think it's going to take that.
30:53
I think there's something more that's
30:56
going to need to happen. But then again,
30:58
maybe just this technology becoming more
31:01
mainstream in the lineups of,
31:04
all automakers will sort of, you know,
31:06
the rising tide brings up all ships kind
31:08
of thing. So I don't know.
31:10
I think it's going to have to be there.
31:11
I think every manufacturer
31:12
is going to have to do this.
31:13
And I think it's going to have to happen
31:15
pretty soon because you know,
31:17
I'll follow the Tesla stuff
31:18
and the cyber cab is building.
31:20
I think we've got a 500 and something of
31:24
self driving cabs in Texas now,
31:27
mostly in the Austin area.
31:29
And I think that as people see this,
31:32
especially as they start taking rides in
31:35
the cyber cabs and also the robot
31:37
taxis, the robot taxis are basically the
31:39
standard Teslas that have the steering
31:41
wheel, everything in it.
31:42
Cyber cabs are the gold ones that don't
31:44
have the steering wheel or pedals.
31:47
So I think as more people use those,
31:51
see them understand how much safer they
31:53
are, so on and so forth,
31:55
there's going to be a push like, well,
31:57
why can't the vehicle
31:58
that I'm driving have this,
32:00
maybe not this specific one,
32:02
but at least being a possibility like
32:05
that I'd like to buy it. And,
32:07
and I don't, I do not have to have an EV.
32:10
You don't have to
32:11
have an EV self driving.
32:13
It can be an internal combustion engine
32:15
with full self driving.
32:17
You realized that like in
32:18
a hundred years from now,
32:20
there's going to be something on Amazon,
32:22
the self driving kit that you can buy for
32:24
Volkswagen, you know, from,
32:25
you know, your classic car.
32:28
And it's just going to be like eight
32:29
cameras that you've got to, you know,
32:30
put on the vehicle somewhere and you hook
32:32
up the servo to the steering wheel type
32:34
of thing and, and,
32:35
and integrate some other valves into the
32:37
braking system. You know what I mean?
32:38
It's going to be so simple.
32:40
Billy Bob's full self driving.
32:42
Hundred percent, you know,
32:43
it's going to be seriously off,
32:45
off of a, a team or
32:47
something is going to,
32:48
you can get the kit for 39.95. So yeah.
32:51
Anyway, I'm very passionate about this. I
32:53
don't want to talk too long on it,
32:54
but I do like reminding people about it
32:56
because I think it's going to be very
32:57
important.
32:58
And I think this is one of the ways that
33:00
Jeep could make sure that they last
33:02
long into the future. And I,
33:04
I definitely want to make sure people
33:06
understand I don't
33:07
care if it's EV or not.
33:09
I have no problem with, with EVs. I think
33:11
it's a great idea, the torque,
33:13
the horsepower, all that stuff. We just
33:16
don't, like I've always said,
33:17
we just don't have the
33:18
power supply for it yet.
33:20
When I can drive a thousand miles on a
33:22
charge or it's generating electricity all
33:24
the time, give me a, a
33:26
dilithium chamber for God's sake.
33:28
I love the idea of just getting into
33:30
vehicle and the Jetson sound,
33:33
you know, it's and take it off.
33:35
I just, you know, kind of like what like
33:37
McLaren has done with, you know,
33:38
with, with one of their, I think it was
33:39
McLaren, one of their
33:41
cars that, you know,
33:42
there it's a hybrid system. I'm, I'm kind
33:45
of for the hybrid system to,
33:47
to a certain extent,
33:48
use the torque of that electric system to
33:50
get the vehicle and all that weight
33:52
and then the engine can take
33:54
over and it's so much more,
33:56
you have still all that extra torque and
33:59
horsepower and everything else.
34:00
The two combined that if you want that
34:03
acceleration while you're moving,
34:04
a hot rod feel, it's
34:06
there if you want it. That,
34:07
that's what we need in every vehicle.
34:08
Yeah. I can't remember. I have heard,
34:11
we've made mentioned before about the
34:13
locomotives where they have a diesel
34:15
engine that does nothing
34:17
except provide electricity.
34:20
So I mean, motion for the generator,
34:22
it's a fully electric vehicle because
34:24
they need that torque and the ability to
34:26
pull things. But the, the,
34:28
the diesel engine runs at a constant or
34:30
it's best RPM to make the,
34:34
the fuel last the longest. And
34:37
there's a vehicle coming out.
34:38
It might be a Dodge Ram. I
34:40
think it might be a pickup.
34:41
It's going to be doing that
34:42
where it has a diesel engine,
34:45
diesel motor and it does
34:47
nothing except run the generator.
34:50
Probably a little four cylinder diesel.
34:52
A small, it has to be
34:53
small because you know,
34:54
how big the locomotives are. So, and I
34:57
think that's a brilliant idea.
34:59
At least until we get to the point where
35:00
we can generate a lot of electricity
35:02
very easily.
35:03
Yeah. No, I'm okay. So it's all,
35:05
it's all interesting the technology that
35:06
keeps coming out. I keep, I mean,
35:09
there's certain, obviously I've,
35:10
for those of you who've been around the
35:11
Jeep talk show for a while,
35:12
know that I am no fan of all the driver
35:16
assistant technology crap that is out
35:17
there nowadays. And honestly,
35:20
this self driving stuff
35:21
to me is part of that.
35:23
And if it does become
35:24
integrated into vehicles,
35:25
it will generate an entire generation of
35:29
even more lazy and bad drivers than we
35:31
already have now.
35:33
And it's just like cursive riding or
35:35
reading an analog clock.
35:36
It just ain't going to happen for a
35:37
certain generation transmission.
35:39
Yeah. The list goes on. I
35:42
have no faith in the heavy.
35:44
So, uh, we,
35:45
you recently have been away from the show
35:48
for the past couple of weeks,
35:49
maybe three weeks.
35:50
Yeah. And that was due to a medical issue
35:53
that you were having.
35:54
Well, a couple of them actually kind of
35:56
got stacked up on, on me.
35:57
I got hit with a one, two
35:58
punch. So about three weeks, well,
36:00
not quite three weeks ago, I had created,
36:02
I had got some sort of a lung infection.
36:04
I have no idea what the
36:05
hell is going on, but, um,
36:07
it never got really into my throat too
36:10
much other than I am having extremely
36:12
productive coughs. I may have a touch of
36:14
pneumonia. Um, I've,
36:16
I've been susceptible
36:17
to that my entire life,
36:18
but honestly I haven't had a version of
36:21
it either walking or full blown in either
36:23
lung, which I've had
36:24
both, um, multiple times. Uh,
36:28
it's not quite there yet.
36:30
I never got a fever. Um,
36:32
but strangely enough through about the
36:34
first week after being, uh,
36:36
being sick, suddenly I got, I woke up
36:38
with an abscess in my upper jaw and,
36:41
uh, it's basically like a, a, a, a sore
36:44
or something that's, that's swelling.
36:47
Is that what an abscess would be?
36:48
Oftentimes it's, it's from, if you, if
36:51
like for people who, um,
36:52
have bad teeth or
36:53
something like that, the,
36:54
the tooth can get a piece of food up
36:57
underneath the gum up
36:58
into the root and it
37:00
can get infected and stuff like that can
37:01
start one. This was not that.
37:03
This was actually up above
37:05
into the jawbone itself, um,
37:07
in a spot where I actually
37:08
don't have a tooth. I added,
37:10
I had to have one extracted at a root
37:12
canal, which failed.
37:13
And then it was after a
37:14
crown had already been put on it.
37:16
And they seem to remember this because
37:18
this isn't the first time you've gone
37:19
through. I was pissed off because I spent
37:20
like $2,500 on that tooth within one
37:23
year, only to have it yanked out the
37:24
following year. It's just like,
37:26
that's how they get you.
37:27
It is in that location up into the
37:33
jawbone that I had this small pocket of
37:36
infection that just
37:38
appeared. And, um, it, it,
37:41
for whatever reason kept
37:42
getting worse and worse. And, um,
37:45
I thought that it was just eventually
37:47
going to go away, you know,
37:48
and not a big deal. Uh, I was taking some
37:51
antibiotics for the lung infection.
37:52
So I figured that was
37:54
going to help with this.
37:55
You would hope so. Yeah. I was walking
37:57
through the house, uh, one night,
37:59
this is about, uh, four or five nights
38:01
ago now, I think. And, uh,
38:03
suddenly there was this
38:04
awful, awful taste in my mouth.
38:07
And it was just like, God, what the,
38:10
what, what the hell is that?
38:12
And so I go to the kitchen sink and,
38:15
and you can only imagine what came out of
38:17
my mouth. And so I was like, well,
38:20
clearly this is not good. Um,
38:23
and obviously I put two and two together
38:24
and realized that, that, that oral
38:26
abscess, that infection up in the, uh,
38:29
up in my jawbone had
38:30
ruptured in my mouth.
38:32
And so I go into the, into the bathroom
38:34
with some better lighting and,
38:35
and for those who are a little more
38:36
sensitive or squeamish, uh,
38:38
you may want to mute the
38:39
next maybe 30 seconds, uh,
38:41
because I went in there and peeled my lip
38:44
back and began to palpitate my face to
38:46
the point of where there was a stream of
38:48
the most nasty shit you've ever seen
38:50
coming out of that spot where I don't no
38:52
longer have a tooth. And,
38:54
and it was gross.
38:55
It lasted for several minutes while I was
38:57
out there from every angle.
38:59
Just sort of pushing the infection out of
39:01
my face and out of my jawbone, uh,
39:03
into my mouth and having to rinse my
39:04
mouth, uh, you know,
39:05
so many times and everything feeling that
39:08
water as I sort of swish going up
39:10
into that pocket where the infection was
39:12
and everything like that. And it was,
39:14
it was no fun, uh, at all.
39:17
But it's kind of a good thing, right?
39:18
Whenever that starts happening,
39:20
because it reduces the pain and there's a
39:22
potential of healing.
39:24
Clearly. And I mean,
39:25
they had looked like somebody had pushed
39:26
a walnut underneath my face up in my,
39:28
oh, I'm in my left cheek. And so I'm
39:30
clearly, everything's
39:30
normal now, but, uh,
39:32
but yeah, there was a, you know,
39:34
a couple of days of swelling that was
39:35
there not nearly as bad as it was.
39:37
And then it went away and I'm completely
39:39
fine now with the exception of this
39:41
lingering lung infection that just
39:43
doesn't seem to go away.
39:44
And just over the last
39:46
several days, a week, maybe, uh,
39:48
it's just the lung butter that's been
39:50
coming out of my, out of my,
39:52
every time, especially in the morning.
39:55
That sounds like a good thing, you know,
39:57
cause everybody loves butter.
39:59
So obviously, you know, I've been
40:00
coughing a little bit.
40:01
I got a little froggy in the throat and I
40:03
got the Barry white voice and
40:04
everything. So I got real
40:06
low for the ladies. Yeah.
40:08
So, uh, we all go through these things
40:10
and I hate to make this like I've,
40:12
like I've mentioned before,
40:13
75 meters on the ham radio where all the
40:15
old men go to die where they get on
40:18
there and they talk daily about their,
40:20
their illnesses, their cancer diagnosis,
40:23
their lung infections or whatever. Cause
40:25
they're 70, 80 years old.
40:27
And that happens. It's, it's
40:29
on their mind. I understand,
40:30
but it's this funny,
40:31
especially when I was like 16 and I first
40:33
got into the ham radio and I thought
40:35
75 meters was a lot of fun to go over
40:37
there and listen to.
40:38
And I thought to myself, my God,
40:39
there's a bunch of old men that are
40:41
talking about their illnesses.
40:43
So that's kind of what we're doing
40:44
tonight. So, uh, about a year ago,
40:46
it was actually on my birthday. I had to
40:49
have a bird. Happy birthday. Yeah.
40:52
Emergency surgery to have my gallbladder
40:54
removed that had, uh,
40:56
had blowed up and I
40:58
actually went sepsis on it.
41:00
I was in the hospital for a week. Uh,
41:03
and, and, but I felt fine.
41:05
I was a sleepy and a jello has never
41:07
tasted so good, but anyway, uh, it was,
41:09
I did not have a bad thing, a bad
41:11
experience at the hospital,
41:13
my first time being in the hospital. So
41:14
anyway, it's been a year since that
41:16
happened. And, uh, and this is kind of my
41:19
point as far as the cancer stuff goes,
41:22
I've had a bit of skin cancer on my wrist
41:25
for quite a long time and I should
41:28
have taken care of it a lot sooner, but I
41:30
recently took care of it.
41:32
And, uh, I think it was yesterday, my
41:35
band-aids coming off. I'm gonna,
41:36
for you guys that are
41:37
watching on YouTube or Spotify,
41:39
this is the bandage
41:43
that I have on the, uh,
41:45
where they cut the cancer out. So the,
41:47
the cancer was about an inch long and
41:50
about a half inch wide.
41:52
How deep? So they, and, and,
41:54
and it was just a weird area that would
41:56
never heal and was very,
41:58
had a very, um, uh, big, uh,
42:01
scab that would grow on it.
42:03
Occasionally it would get ripped off or I
42:05
would just pull it off and it really
42:06
didn't bleed. It really wasn't a problem.
42:08
So they had to cut a lot
42:09
of, a lot of skin away.
42:11
And if I had taken care of this sooner,
42:14
it would not have been cut as much of it
42:16
because obviously they got to get rid of
42:18
enough of the, the, the
42:19
tissue so that the cancer is gone.
42:22
So they have to do skin grafts or?
42:24
Well, he mentioned that I thought maybe
42:26
that might happen because it was a large
42:27
area, but he, he's, he was able to sew it
42:29
up and he doesn't think it'll be an
42:31
issue. Um, so, uh, once we were done, I
42:34
mean, this is cancer, right?
42:35
It wasn't melanoma, but
42:37
this is cancer, right?
42:38
So he didn't mention anything after they
42:40
did the biopsy and it came back as
42:42
cancer. He didn't mention anything about
42:43
we gotta get you in chemo or,
42:45
or so on and so forth, because I've had
42:46
this for a number of years,
42:48
two or three at least. And
42:50
I know stupid. Uh, and, um,
42:53
but he, I asked him yesterday after he
42:54
got done with the surgery, I said,
42:56
so this was cancer. Is there anything
42:58
that I need to do after that? He goes,
43:00
oh no, no chemo, no, no, anything you
43:02
need to, you need to do. He goes,
43:04
if it had gone on longer, uh, that it
43:06
could have been a problem.
43:07
And I'm thinking to myself
43:09
longer, longer than a few years.
43:11
How much long?
43:14
He said it didn't, it didn't come across
43:16
that it was like, uh, oh,
43:18
you needed to take care of this in the
43:19
next five minutes or whatever,
43:21
no problem or the next few days or the
43:23
next month. I don't know.
43:24
It could have been years. I think when I
43:26
go to get the stitches out,
43:26
I'll ask him, so how much longer do you
43:28
think I had before this was going to be
43:29
a life threatening issue?
43:33
So where are you at in the healing
43:34
process then? I mean,
43:35
it was just yesterday. It was just, they
43:37
just, they just cut it out yesterday.
43:39
I mean, you see the blood on the, on the
43:41
bandaid. So, uh, yeah, it's, uh,
43:44
it's, it, it actually is bleeding quite a
43:46
bit, but of course there was a,
43:47
it was a large area that he
43:48
cut. So, um, it doesn't hurt.
43:52
I was just going to ask, you know, what?
43:54
Nope. Uh, so I'm just changing the
43:57
bandaid and so on and so forth.
43:58
I just want to do kind of a PSA, take
44:00
care of it. Uh, people,
44:02
I have had cancer
44:03
before and it was melanoma,
44:04
but it was tiny compared to this. So, uh,
44:08
but I had health insurance at the time.
44:10
So, uh, but if you've,
44:11
if you've got a, oh, and I'll mention
44:14
this, I said, so how long,
44:16
if I get another thing like this,
44:17
something else that appears,
44:20
how long do I, can I go before I need to
44:23
have it looked at? He goes,
44:24
if you have a, uh, a, a sore or something
44:28
that doesn't heal in a month in 30
44:31
days, then you need to have it looked at.
44:34
Hmm. So if you guys got
44:36
something on your face and it's,
44:38
it's usually sun related. So if you get
44:39
it on your face, your nose, uh,
44:41
your arms, especially if you're outside a
44:43
lot or you're riding around with your
44:45
top off on your Jeep and you get a sore,
44:49
then if it doesn't heal
44:51
on its own in 30 days,
44:53
you get a dermatologist to
44:54
look at it and don't, and don't,
44:57
and don't think it's been so long that I
44:59
shouldn't, I should, well,
45:00
I'm just going to die. I'm
45:02
not going to worry about it.
45:03
I don't want to be concerned about that.
45:04
He didn't checked out anyway cause I want
45:06
years with this. My,
45:08
my GP kept telling me you need to have
45:11
somebody look at that cause she could see
45:13
it when I went into the, to the office.
45:15
So get it taken care of.
45:16
Don't figure that they're going to find
45:18
something seriously wrong with you.
45:20
Just get it looked at
45:21
and then know for sure.
45:22
Don't assume and then wind up dead
45:24
because you just, you had, yeah,
45:26
you had five years to take
45:27
care of it and you went six.
45:29
It's better than better to know,
45:31
honestly, at least. And you can, I mean,
45:33
still if you want to, you know, keep
45:34
going the way you're going and all that.
45:35
I got a friend who recently got a, a,
45:38
wasn't a cancer diagnosis,
45:40
but basically the doctor told him, if you
45:41
keep going like this,
45:42
you're not going to last much longer. And
45:44
he decides, you know what, screw it.
45:47
You know, I'm, I'm here to have fun. I
45:50
want to have a good time.
45:51
And I'm just going to live my
45:52
life, how I want to live it.
45:54
And I'm going to go out on my terms and
45:56
that's what he's doing. So he's, uh,
45:58
he's dialing it back a
46:00
little bit, but, uh, you know,
46:01
he's still a fun guy to be around and
46:03
all, and all that. But, uh, he's,
46:05
he's decided that, uh, despite having
46:07
some bad news from the doctor, that he's,
46:09
um, he's just going to
46:11
do what he's going to do.
46:12
Yeah. And, uh, but the thing I'm, I guess
46:15
what I'm trying to say is, um,
46:17
at least find out the information because
46:19
at least, at least find out. Yeah.
46:21
You may find out that you had a lot of
46:23
years ahead of you if you had just taken
46:26
care of it now. Anyway, that's
46:27
the end of my preaching on it.
46:28
Uh, that's what I was, uh, what I've been
46:30
going through personally. Uh, so, uh,
46:32
we're, this is our 75 meter discussion
46:34
about old men talking about their, uh,
46:37
their health issues.
46:39
There we go. There, there,
46:40
there for all y'all. Right.
46:42
It doesn't translate over to audio.
46:45
And one more quick thing, cause we're
46:47
running up to an hour. Um,
46:49
the one more quick thing I
46:50
heard recently and I heard,
46:52
so this isn't
46:53
something that I have verified,
46:55
but I heard recently that
46:57
the, the very enjoyable, uh,
46:59
often a fondly thought of flock cameras,
47:03
not only are taking
47:04
pictures of license plates,
47:06
but they're also scanning your Bluetooth,
47:08
your cell phone and your TPMS service.
47:14
So they can track you
47:16
by your air pressure.
47:19
Well, each one of those TPS sensors does
47:22
have a unique serial code. And, uh,
47:24
and that information does translate to
47:26
metadata that can be stored and tracked
47:29
if so desired. Um,
47:31
and I'm sure there are algorithms out
47:33
there that can show, okay,
47:35
how many out of these 10,000 cars that
47:38
went through this section of road have
47:41
been through this section of road, how
47:43
many times in the last week, you know?
47:45
And so they can say that, you know, well,
47:47
out of these 10,000 cars, 50% of them,
47:50
you know, uh,
47:51
are our local travelers that come through
47:54
here every day, twice a day,
47:56
you know, this can be used for, um, for
47:58
good things like, you know,
48:00
traffic metering and, and you know,
48:02
how they set up signals and how they
48:04
design roads and things like that. Um,
48:07
although that metadata can also be then
48:10
hacked and that information can be used
48:12
to track people and their movement
48:14
specifically and where they are and where
48:16
they go and where they
48:17
might be. And it can, you know,
48:19
use predictive modeling to then determine
48:22
exactly where one person might be at a
48:23
certain time of day so that
48:25
they can be gotten or whatever.
48:28
Do you remember the movie minority report
48:31
where they were scanning eyes when
48:32
you'd work and walk into a store so they
48:35
could keep track of what you were
48:36
shopping for? There was a,
48:38
remember the movie gothica,
48:39
I think is what they were doing,
48:40
like blood tests or something on people
48:42
all the time to make sure that, you know,
48:44
there was no DNA defects in the
48:45
population or something
48:46
like that. Yeah. Yeah.
48:47
But in, uh, in the minority report, Tom
48:50
Cruz had to have his eyes replaced,
48:53
which wasn't a big deal in the future.
48:55
And there was a sandwich,
48:58
there was a sandwich of the refrigerator.
49:01
Of course there was one that was all
49:03
moldy and horrible and a nice fresh one.
49:05
And he had his eyes covered. So he went
49:07
and bit into the old mold.
49:09
The movie was just fine.
49:12
So this is basically the same thing,
49:14
except that the technology doesn't, uh,
49:17
it does not, it's not scanning
49:17
your eyes, your retina scans.
49:19
It's actually finding information out
49:22
about you from your phone because your
49:24
phone swawks information all the time.
49:27
Uh, from your vehicle, the TPS,
49:29
TPMS, there's, there's people out there
49:31
with TJs and CJs and stuff going,
49:33
fuck you. I got, I got no TPMS.
49:39
So anyway, I just thought, I know how
49:40
people love the flock cameras. So, uh,
49:43
there's been never, never a better use
49:45
for a sawzall than taking out a flock
49:48
camera. Don't do it. I'm just joking.
49:50
No.
49:52
All right, Josh. So you know how we, uh,
49:55
we like having a, uh,
49:56
a special thing that
49:58
people can, uh, can watch,
50:00
listen to on the Patreon
50:02
and on a YouTube membership.
50:04
Bonus content, a little of that
50:06
subscriber goodies
50:07
that we got for you guys.
50:08
If you want a little taste of, uh, of
50:10
something special, a
50:11
little something extra,
50:12
then yeah. Well, you know, you scratch
50:14
our back, we'll scratch yours. You know,
50:15
you know, it goes.
50:16
So I know the fuck you, you
50:18
fucking fuck is very popular.
50:19
Should we force people to be members to
50:22
hear this week's fuck you,
50:23
you fucking fuck or
50:25
you got more than one or.
50:27
I do have more than one. I mean, I was
50:30
actually contemplating doing a two for,
50:32
uh, on, on this episode, cause I've been
50:34
out for a little while, but, uh,
50:36
I like your idea of perhaps saving that
50:38
for the subscriber side of things.
50:40
All right. We have a little long on this
50:42
episode. So I think that, uh,
50:44
it might be fair that if you, if you want
50:46
a little bit of a, uh,
50:47
a palette cleanser, if you will,
50:49
head over to our subscriber content and
50:52
get yourself in on that. And, uh,
50:53
and you'll be absolutely pleased.
50:55
Yeah. And remember you
50:56
can listen to it on Patreon.
50:58
You can watch it right here
50:59
on YouTube. Oh, and you speak,
51:01
you mentioned palette cleanser. What a
51:03
better palette cleanser than a Nikki G.
51:06
How about that? Are you
51:07
ready for a little Nikki G?
51:09
Let's do it. Let's do it. Hey,
51:11
this is Nikki G and our local bread
51:13
factory just burnt down yesterday. Yeah.
51:16
Everything's toast.
51:18
Why am I calling? Dang
51:24
it. I'm tipping my tongue.
51:29
Oh yeah. Somebody stole
51:32
my dictionary. I'm out.
51:35
I have no words.
51:36
All right, boys and girls. I'll chat to
51:41
you later and you have a good one. Bye.
51:45
Even though we've had
51:46
Nikki G on for years,
51:48
you never quite sure
51:50
what's coming. No. It's always,
51:53
it's always puts a smile on my face. It
51:55
puts a groan in my gut. I, I,
51:57
it's, it's, uh, it's
51:59
always flawless Nikki G. Yeah.
52:02
Well wrap it up for us, Josh, cause
52:04
that's it for her for this episode.
52:06
Yes. Indeed. E as always,
52:08
we encourage you that if you want to
52:09
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52:10
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52:11
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52:12
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52:15
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52:17
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52:20
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52:22
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52:23
Reach out to me specifically
52:25
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52:26
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52:27
That's where it's all
52:29
at. And as, as well,
52:30
we've got the whole Netflix kind of thing
52:32
going on at Jeep talk show.com slash
52:35
watch, watch. That's what it is. And
52:38
then, uh, what's the,
52:39
what's the movie one that we're doing,
52:40
uh, Tony, we recording tonight. Uh,
52:43
what's the, what, what are we, uh, what
52:44
are we watching tonight?
52:45
Unfortunately, and I need to change the
52:47
name. It's watch along.
52:50
So it's just close enough to
52:52
confuse that a lot of long.
52:55
What are we watching along with tonight?
52:56
Actually, I'm not sure.
52:58
I need to go and look at that, uh, and
53:01
see what, I'm gonna,
53:01
what movie we're going to show, but it'll
53:03
be something Jeep related. Oh,
53:05
last week, which you can,
53:06
which you can go back and watch.
53:08
It was a guy that had a, uh, an abandoned
53:11
Jeep that was in the woods.
53:13
He towed it out of the woods, brought it
53:15
back to his loosely called shop,
53:18
which was outside. He, one of the
53:20
cylinders was a little rusty,
53:22
popped the head off of the four cylinder.
53:23
Uh, and this is like a 1958, uh,
53:26
Jeep. So that's an
53:27
older, older CJ. And, uh,
53:30
he popped the head off. One of the
53:32
cylinders kind of had some water in it.
53:33
It was rusty. So he honed the cylinder.
53:36
He didn't take the piston out.
53:41
He just turned it, you know, enough where
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you, you can get to the rusty part.
53:45
And we were all wondering,
53:47
he had plans on starting and driving this
53:49
thing and that was the big cliffhanger.
53:51
Is he going to be able to do it so you
53:54
can go back and get that question
53:56
answered. It was a lot of fun. I remember
53:58
it was around 8 PM super time.
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And I said, you guys want me to stop the
54:01
movie night so we can just have a,
54:03
a regular round table. And I think it was
54:05
Steve O that says, no, no,
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I'm invested now.
54:07
Gone this far as right
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or die, baby. Let's go.
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All right, Josh. Well, thanks a lot. I'm
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sorry you're having the medical issues,
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but I mean, that's just part of life.
54:20
We're on the mend. We're on the mend.
54:22
Everything's getting better.
54:23
So a little froggy in the throat, a
54:25
little, a little baritone today,
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and you up to all up in your ear holes,
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but, uh, maybe next time we'll be all
54:30
better. So until then I'm Josh Eastony.
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We'll see you next time. Have a great
54:34
night. You're my friend.
54:36
You're my new friend.
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