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The rise of attacks on believers and why now? · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  It's the tip of the spare in the epic battle to defend the United States of America.
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  The National Security Hour exposes the wolves in sheep's clothing and the nefarious plots to undermine and destroy U.S.
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  national security.
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  Welcome to the National Security Hour.
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  I'm your host, Blanquita Cullum.
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  We have a very intriguing conversation this hour with a great guy, Matthew McWarter.
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  He's written a book.
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  He's a corporate attorney.
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  You think this is kind of like a legal discussion.
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  Well, it's more of a spiritual discussion.
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  This is the holiday season.
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  This is Christmas.
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  A lot of people are so afraid to say, Merry Christmas.
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  In fact, David Spade, the uh comic was so upset that he went to some venue where they didn't say Merry Christmas.
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  He complained about it on all over the online uh locations that he is recognized as a as a brilliant comedian.
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  He said, Why are people afraid to say Christmas?
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  Well, Matthew McWarter uh had an interesting journey.
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  He's a he's an uh, as I mentioned to you, an attorney, a corporate attorney, I think he even worked for Shell out there in Houston, Texas, my old state.
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  And Matthew, you said at the outset, for many years you were considered yourself an atheist.
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  An atheist, and now I'm looking behind you.
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  The audience can't see this because we're only in Zoom and audio.
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  Canon Crossfire.
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  That's your book.
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  And you say that there is a rise on Christian persecution, and this program is actually focused on it, what's gone on in Nigeria.
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  But welcome to the program.
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  Tell us a little bit about your journey and how you changed, evolved from an atheist to a Christian, and why you become a really involved in this Christian persecution.
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  Yeah, so going way back, my grandfather had been Catholic.
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  My mom went off to Catholic schools, and pretty much just the nuns were mean to her.
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  She hated the nuns.
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  So when I was raised and growing up, uh, we I didn't pray, didn't go to church, didn't read the Bible, and all I really knew was that mom said the nuns were terrible.
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  Uh so I just what branch of nuns were they?
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  Do we remember?
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  Oh, I got I got no idea.
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  Yeah, I grew up with the nuns.
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  They were tough nuns, but boy, you learned how to read, write, and spell and add.
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  Exactly.
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  And I, you know, I don't know all the details of the stories.
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  It's just that's how she ended up raising us, was just she didn't care, so we didn't care.
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  And uh, you know, I I basically went through life, life was good.
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  I had no reason to question anything or think about things too deeply.
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  So I was living a pretty shallow existence as I went off to college and law school and big corporate uh lawyer job and everything's going great.
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  Well, then one day uh or over the course of 30 days, I got cancer and a massive heart attack.
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  And uh I'm very whammy.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  It was called a widowmaker heart attack.
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  I'm very lucky to have survived it because almost everybody dies from it.
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  Well, then there's also this cancer going on, the cancer treatment has to be delayed for a year while I recover from the heart.
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  So it's all this big oh boy, I was healthy just 30 days ago, and here I am uh kind of moment in my life.
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  So at that point, people started asking me, like, you know, what's your bucket list?
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  What do you want to get done?
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  And I'm like, well, I never thought about it.
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  I I assumed death was 50 years in the future, so I hadn't thought about it.
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  And uh all of a sudden I'm remembering all the things I had said along the way that I would do, and one of them was to read the books I was named after.
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  My name actually is Matthew Mark McGarder, so I'm named after the first two gospels.
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  And if I hadn't been named that, who knows where I'd be, but I was named that, so I said, Well, I want to read those books.
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  But there's kind of an odd piece of this.
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  Number one is that this wasn't a spiritual journey for me at this point.
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  This was just I wanted to read them.
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  I also wanted to read the cowboy western stories that my grandfather was.
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  Well, you know, I'm just as you're saying this to me, I'm thinking about the old line that there are no atheists in a foxhole.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, that's that's what people kind of think when I try to tell them the story, but like I was not, even at this point, I was not spiritual.
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  It was, I just, you know, the lights might go off, so I better fit everything in before the end was kind of where I was thinking about it.
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  It's only as I started reading the Bible that I became spiritual and started to realize that the Bible explains the universe better than all the stuff I had been accepting my whole life without thinking about it too much.
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  And it's it was that development that started to make me more spiritual.
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  So for me, at least it was less of an emotional thing and more of an intellectual thing of my opening my consciousness to this possibility and saying, wait a minute, that actually explains things a whole lot better.
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  Well, but but you know, this is intriguing to me because you know, I grew up as a Catholic, you know, I we discussed this.
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  And the funny thing, when you said about how you about your name, I was thinking there was a great television program uh that really was more viewed than even Ed Sullivan back in the 50s and the 60s, Fulton Sheen.
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  And when they were gonna give him an Emmy, he he he wanted to congratulate and thank his writers.
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  And you know who his writers were, right?
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  Matthew Mark Luke and John.
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  You got it.
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  So on this journey that you had, you know, there had to be like an aha moment when the light turned on.
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  And did it affect your health?
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  Did you see a miracle of healing in your health?
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  What was the story there that convinced you this is just not some creative, brilliant writing from these guys that came together that wanted some spiritual leader to believe in?
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  You overestimate me.
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  I I everybody, that's everybody else's journey for whatever reason that's not my journey.
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  My journey was much more of a gee, this is an interesting story, so let me start looking into the evidence for Christianity.
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  So it was it was just more of like a as you said, I'm too lawyerly.
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  I'm thinking like a lawyer.
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  So I I dive into what they call the case for Christ and the evidentiary basis for Christianity at the same uh uh at this stage, and I'm looking for, well, is this really a true story, or is this just a comic book?
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  Like, does this explain the world better because it's true, or do I just like it?
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  Am I like convincing myself it's true?
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  That sort of thing.
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  So for me, it was a factual investigation.
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  And this was an odd there's there's many odd things about what happened here, and I actually think God sort of kept me around just for this uh for me to write this book and think about things this way.
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  But I realized I didn't have a church bringing me in to Christianity.
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  My mom didn't like the nuns, so I wasn't particularly uh, you know, uh wouldn't have uh identified with the Catholic Church or anything, but I didn't hate them, but I you know, so it makes me a little different than some of the people.
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  You were a little more biased.
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  You were a little more biased against them.
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  And the funny thing is, and I'm you know, having grown up with nuns and different different kinds of, I guess you'd say sex of nuns.
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  Uh some were tough, but they were wonderful nuns.
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  Others were kind of not as happy.
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  They were not as uh happy nuns.
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  They did the work, but and I don't know whether that was the environment or what happened um at the time when I was growing up.
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  But they were brilliant teachers and influenced my life greatly.
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  Some people grew up disliking them because they felt brutalized by them, but who knows exactly what happened at that time.
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  It's sad that your mom didn't have a good crop of nuns that were you know teaching her.
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  Well, it's it's you can have bad doctors, but you still go to the hospital.
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  You don't throw the hospital out because there was a bad doctor.
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  Uh, you know, you or you you don't judge the whole institution by some people.
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  So it is sad, but it it was my background.
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  So that's how I can get it.
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  That's what that's the thing.
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  So what again?
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  So, as you're doing this investigation, you know, you're going into the Bible, and and these are interesting times when you think about it.
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  Uh, really, Matthew, if you even look at the internet, whether you're following the the internet with different religions.
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  Like, for example, you've got Bishop Barron, you have Father Pilari, you have old versions of Bishop Sheen, you have Father, uh, I guess he's a cardinal vegano.
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  A lot of them have been prophesizing, talking about these times as being very precarious and challenging to people of faith, and not only from the outside, but from the inside internally, all the way up to the Vatican.
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  So let's kind of discuss your growth and how that applies.
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  Well, so I was doing an investigation.
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  So, so just to get it on the table.
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  I didn't have a church pulling me in, so I didn't know what Bible I'm supposed to read.
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  So I go on Amazon, I go to bookstores, and I discover there are Catholic Bibles, Orthodox Bibles with more books, Protestant Bibles with fewer books, and which one of these is the true Bible was one of the questions I had.
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  So I started investigating that.
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  And part of it was I I went everywhere I could.
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  I wanted to know what did every Christian in the first 450 years ever say about these books that Catholics accept that Protestants don't.
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  There was no book assembling that.
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  So I did all the work.
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  I have assembled it.
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  That is really what my book is.
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  All right, so what are the points on this canon crossfire?
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  What are some of the things that they accept that you found out that were critical for people to comprehend?
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  Well, to start, I realize that this is a martyr church.
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  For the first time, I'm realizing these most of the fathers that you're reading end up being tortured and murdered for their beliefs.
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  They are preaching to people who are going to be tortured and murdered for their beliefs, and they are recruiting people and people are joining, knowing full well that that's where this all ends.
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  That was a shock to me.
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  And that that's part of what helps prove the story of Christianity being true, is the willingness of people to die for it.
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  But it's also just the shock to read it and realize that that's what they dealt with.
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  And then now, as you say, I go online and I find these things from people saying, you know, we may.
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  Maybe going back to a martyr church.
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  I start learning about the current events and things that I really hadn't been paying attention to.
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  And suddenly all of this stuff ties together.
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  And there's this wow, I now realize what I was reading and how this might actually affect me in my own life.
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  So for me, it was a shocking journey into the potential of martyrdom and sort of how seriously do I take Christianity on a personal level.
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  Am I really Christian, knowing that that could be the end, you know?
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  And what do you what was your answer?
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  Are you?
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  Okay, well, there's that answer.
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  We got past that answer.
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  Exactly.
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  It took me a while to get there, but it was sort of like you know, sometimes when I would I can you know, you watch TV, you see people get recruited to religions, etc.
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  It's always like it's a happy story.
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  Like, oh, come down, we have singing, we have this and that, and the love of Jesus Christ in your heart, blah, blah, blah.
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  I was reading, come join Christianity because you're going to be tortured and murdered.
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  So that's a that's a different decision.
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  But it was it was perceived differently even 20 years ago than it has been currently in the Catholic Church.
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  Uh, what happened?
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  Many people say, I can't say this for certain, but even in Latin America, you saw more uh success with the uh extension of people belonging to the Protestant faith rather than the Catholic faith.
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  And they some of them preach that.
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  And that was because they believed in success.
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  It was not you know, uh, you didn't have to suffer so much, but you it was okay to make money.
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  It was okay to be able to be successful, which in many ways is, you know, why wouldn't you want to believe that?
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  The fact of the matter, though, is it's become uh, I would say religions across the board and in many cases have kind of lost their original focus.
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  Maybe you see that differently than I.
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  No, no, it's that that's exactly it.
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  I see the future as a kind of Christianity.
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  We've had this kind of Christianity where it was okay to be Christian, sometimes even beneficial to be Christian, to join the club to be part of it, and that attracts some people.
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  We to my mind are going back to a society where being Christian is going to be a disadvantage, and you're gonna find people um you know leaving the church and not joining because of that.
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  But the reason you would still join it is because it's true.
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  The reason you would join a martyr church is because it's true.
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  It is the truth of it that drives it, not the um sort of benefits of it, right?
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  Well, the church, it's a complicated, it's a complicated situation.
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  I mean, there right now, if you're a Catholic, um, there's a whole situation where people are looking at the third secret of Fatima.
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  Yep.
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  Sister Lucy, who was one of the three children, the venerable sister Lucy.
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  She was not a saint yet.
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  Uh, or she is not a saint yet, and many in the church is um hasn't confirmed her as a saint.
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  And um, she apparently gave a secret that was supposed to be disclosed in 1960 by the Pope.
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  And the Pope at the time, I think it was Pope John 23rd, I could be wrong on that, made a decision that they didn't want to do that.
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  And some people suggest that the reason was because it said that the level of anarchy was going to be in from the from the top down, that there was going to be some apostasy.
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  Um, other people are saying that it that there was only going to be two more popes, and they're you know, they're looking at this timeline of when the disaster will hit.
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  And my my father was he was a great guy.
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  He was um very wise in many decisions in many uh decisions that affected uh faith.
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  He said, You're always gonna see somebody out there that's standing on the corner saying that the end of the world is coming.
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  He said, they're gonna be out there beating that drum and telling you you better repent.
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  He said, Well, you should repent, but not for that.
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  He said, Because the end of the world is gonna come when God makes that decision and not some guy in the corner of the street.
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  And I, because I'm a book person who did all this reading, I saw all that stuff in all these old books where you know Napoleon was the antichrist and uh going to destroy the world, etc.
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  Like it, there's a long history of that.
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  Yep.
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  Yeah, but people are saying, well, look what's going on right now.
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  Look what's happening.
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  Look how it's changing.
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  And you and I are going to be discussing some of the really uh severe persecution that is going on against Christians around the world.
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  Recently, I discussed this with a friend of mine by the name of Doug Burton on this program about the horrendous numbers of Christians being killed in Nigeria.
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  Yep.
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  And you've covered this as well.
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  Yeah, I mean, I again it was all part of my journey to Christianity was realizing what's going on in the world.
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  I even on a personal level, just by writing this book, my book, Canon Crossfire, I I tell friends that you know I've known for years as lawyers, and we never discussed religion in any way.
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  And I said, Well, I wrote this book, it's kind of a legal investigation of this, etc.
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  The demonic reaction that that got from people, like not of, oh, I have no interest in that, not gee, that's you know, why didn't you just play golf rather than do this?
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  You know, those sort of things that you might expect is a sort of rational response from somebody who doesn't like it.
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  Instead, it's an irrational hatred towards it without ever having read it, without even thinking about it, talking about it, it's just an instant like that is a shocking thing to see.
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  And then as I say, I'm looking at the news, looking online, and you start seeing it around the world, and it's like, how did I miss this all along?
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  But if you're not looking for it, you don't see it.
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  And if you are looking for it, you realize that the world, the explanations of the world don't really work.
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  There is now you and you've got a lot of buddies that are that are attorneys.
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  Yep.
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  And you've got a lot of, and they're, you know, attorneys are kind of like doctors.
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  Sometimes they think they're God, okay?
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  Yeah.
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  And and uh the question is then is this something they feel like a weak person would would believe this?
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  Someone that would go to church and put their faith in God and you know, go to communion and ask their children to get on their knees every night with him and pray.
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  Does that make them less intellectual?
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  Uh, you know, you're bigger than that.
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  And I often laugh at that because I think why do they take that position?
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  Where are they arrogant?
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  Do they think they're so smart that they that the person that believes in in Christ or any other form of of religion?
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  Uh they're less intellectual, that they're stupid, they're weak, they're needy.
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  I think that's what they're taught, right?
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  I I mean, that's how I feel about it, because I I wouldn't say I went to anything close to that extent, but the I know I read things like that uh throughout my whole life of people saying that and doing that.
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  And the real question is why wouldn't you, as an intellectual make an intellectual uh investigation of Christianity like I did, and end up at the exact same place I did, is my question.
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  But and hold that thought.
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  We're gonna come back tomorrow because we're talking with our guest, uh Matthew McWarter, who wrote this incredible book.
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  It's called Canon Crossfire.
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  How about you?
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  Are you a person that's not afraid to get on your knees and tell anybody about it?
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  Or are you one that likes to pray and keep it to yourself?
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  Welcome to the National Security Hour.
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  Do you consider yourself a person of faith?
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  Do you feel comfortable telling friends that you don't necessarily know if they're Christians or Buddhists or Falun Gong or Jewish or Scientologist that you practice your faith?
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  Is that something you feel like you need to keep silent, private?
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  Well, now it's become a question that on this program, of course, it's a national security hour.
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  How does it affect our security?
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  Well, the fact of the matter is it could affect our security because Christians are being persecuted.
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  We talked about it in the last segment in Nigeria, but they're also being persecuted in the United States, in France, in Canada, and England, and places that you thought they were civil societies that treated people of different faiths or non-faiths with ri respect.
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  Matthew McWarder joins us.
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  He's an attorney, he's been a corporate attorney for many a number of years.
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  He is uh a gentleman who has been an atheist in his life, but found a way through his own struggles of health crises to write a book called Canon Crossfire.
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  Matthew, um, what's um so interesting to me to see happen, and it's shocking really, even in the United States, people are getting mad if someone's on a corner and they may be silently praying across an abortion clinic.
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  They're not bothering anybody, they're just praying.
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  Or if they decide that they want to uh say a prayer at a school or have say something at an uh at a like a gaming event, like a football stadium, but it's happening also in Canada.
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  And tell us about what you've observed.
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  Yeah, that the most shocking one are the arrests now for silent prayer, where someone is praying silently across the street and gets arrested by the thought police who claim to know what they were thinking and doing.
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  And uh, you know, even if they were silently praying, what is what crime is that?
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  Uh, etc.
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  But it, you know, these are societies that are similar to ours, have always respected religion, and all of a sudden do not.
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  And I think that is the more worrisome thing.
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  I mean, I feel bad for anyone living in those countries, but for those of us in America, you say, well, that's over there, not here.
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  No, but it is over here.
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  Exactly.
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  It's coming here.
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  Well, it's happening, and look, you've seen the you've seen the desecration of of these um uh cemeteries that are Jewish cemeteries.
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  You've seen the desecration of uh statues in front of Catholic churches of the Virgin Mary and uh and other statues because either they think it's uh provocative hip uh that they can get away with it, but really it's an affront not only to our ability to believe, but you know, again, to have some respect for people's fundamental rights.
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  Yep, exactly, human rights.
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  And that's what's breaking down in our society.
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  So when I say it's coming here, what's what hadn't historically you're you know, a lot of what you're talking about are acts of or are criminal acts by individuals doing things.
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  What I think is coming here is the more official persecution, the government persecution of the arrest for silent prayer, et cetera.
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  So, you know, someday that's going to happen here.
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  The only thing that has prevented that historically in the United States, we've gone through you know bad periods and and emerged okay.
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  Um, but the constitution was there to protect it, right?
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  We had people who believed in the constitution, even if they didn't agree with your religion, they would stand up for your rights.
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  Do we really live in that society anymore?
• 24:00
  Is the real question because it does not seem like the people in charge uh anymore care.
• 24:05
  Uh, you know, they care more and more about what it is that you have to say and not your right to say it.
• 24:10
  And uh that sort of thing is is coming to America.
• 24:14
  I, you know, whether we'll emerge all right from this or not, well, you know, time will tell.
• 24:18
  But it's actually think we will common.
• 24:20
  See, you know, I am seeing the National Memorial Day Parade every year.
• 24:23
  I've been doing it for like 22 years.
• 24:26
  And they always say during the National Memorial Day period, you'll hear them rumblings, not the people that are announcing, not the you know, not the military.
• 24:34
  They'll say, Oh, we'll never have the greatest generation again.
• 24:38
  You see, but I don't believe that.
• 24:40
  I'll tell you why I don't believe that.
• 24:42
  Because after 9-11, when I was working on the air, you had people that were calling up trying to figure out where they could go and help their neighbors and join neighborhood watches, even if they were old people.
• 24:52
  You had the so many people join the military because they wanted to protect the country.
• 24:57
  And right now, we have a time that the military is being attacked, they're being questioned.
• 25:03
  They're having, you know, you'll have uh you'll have uh not chaplains that are regular chaplains, you've got chaplains that believe in witchcraft, you've got all this craziness going on.
• 25:13
  And the question is do will we have a greatest generation of faith?
• 25:18
  See, I think it's all there.
• 25:20
  I think it will rise again.
• 25:22
  Uh maybe I'm an optimist, but uh I'd rather be an optimist than a pessimist on that one because I think people uh they have there's a bravery that that becomes ignited in times of challenge and stress.
• 25:37
  Look at you.
• 25:38
  Yeah.
• 25:39
  Yeah, now you know, we have gone through cycles of religion in the United States before, and maybe we're about to begin a cycle upwards.
• 25:47
  There are always, you know, count trends and counter trends, and and people can look at them differently.
• 25:52
  I more than anything, I I'm always reminding myself that you know, Christianity is true, and the truth wins the ends.
• 25:58
  And if you believe that, then this the, you know, at some point these lies, et cetera, are going to uh, you know, be exposed, and people are not going to want that.
• 26:08
  They're going to search for the truth, and hopefully they'll find us, and there will be that sort of rebound.
• 26:13
  And it's exactly the kind of moments that you're talking about, September 11th, World War II, et cetera, that might drive that sort of thing in some.
• 26:23
  That shocked a lot of young people.
• 26:25
  Now, there was, you know, every generation, it seems like there has to be a point of rebellion.
• 26:32
  That's that's their way of kind of kicking it back to your parents and kicking it back to the man.
• 26:37
  You want to do something that is kind of a little bit shocking because you're trying to break away and get your own independence.
• 26:43
  During the 60s, during the period of Vietnam, you had the love generation, which ended up being the hippies, right?
• 26:50
  You know, don't trust anyone over 30.
• 26:52
  Now those people are probably going into their 90s.
• 26:55
  They're a bunch of old coots now, okay?
• 26:57
  But trust anyone under 90.
• 26:59
  You don't trust anyone under 90.
• 27:01
  But now this new generation, which I don't know how you feel about it with the uh incredibly overwhelming response to people joining this turning point USA.
• 27:13
  Uh, I saw a group of them just a couple of days ago here in the Washington, D.C.
• 27:18
  area.
• 27:18
  They're clean-cut people.
• 27:20
  They seem pretty nice.
• 27:21
  They're not trying to push anything on you.
• 27:23
  Uh, what's your thought about that?
• 27:26
  Yeah, it's for me, it's hard to say.
• 27:28
  The the I had a background in statistics, so I see the statistics go, and I look at the numbers, and you know, there are reasons for optimism, there's also reasons for pessimism.
• 27:38
  Um, it's just hard to say what the future is really going to hold and how this all gonna go together.
• 27:43
  I I do think our historical data involved a time when the government itself was not used against us, and that might be a different element in this this coming uh future that we have where the government you know the tools of government itself might be used against us that that you know increases the effect of a minority that might be trying to persecute us, et cetera.
• 28:05
  So that that is something I worry about, but there are always always hope.
• 28:09
  You know, the Bible itself all tells you there's always a remnant, no matter how bad things get, and that truth wins out in the end.
• 28:16
  And that's it.
• 28:16
  Did you did you read the did you read the book 1984 by George Orwell?
• 28:21
  Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 28:22
  And I did too, when I was in high school.
• 28:24
  We all had to read it in 1984.
• 28:27
  I brought it again, and I read it again.
• 28:30
  It's different when you read it now than when you read it in high school, because you realize with the advent of AI and how convincing AI is that there could certainly not just be a big brother, but a religious type of AI component that would pick up and uh and and be uh very compelling for people who do not have a strong faith in traditional religion in any one of the many traditional religions.
• 29:04
  Uh, and that big brother could be one that would be something that would be encouraged by the government and could even be something that would be silently supported by a government.
• 29:15
  Have you thought about any of that?
• 29:17
  Oh, yeah.
• 29:18
  So I wrote my book.
• 29:19
  I was in a canon crossfire.
• 29:20
  I'm in it basically in a cave, right?
• 29:22
  I just I'm focused on my book.
• 29:24
  I've never worked with AI in my life.
• 29:25
  I'm not paying any attention.
• 29:27
  I'm typing like an old school typist out of book.
• 29:30
  Oh, I love it.
• 29:31
  I get that finished, and I sit send the draft off to be edited, etc.
• 29:35
  And at for the first time I start considering marketing my book, and that's first time that I start working with an AI, and I'm like, wow, this is really cool.
• 29:42
  This is awesome.
• 29:43
  It drafted me a piece of marketing, uh, uh, a write-up.
• 29:47
  I said, can you summarize my book for marketing purposes?
• 29:51
  And it had a quote from St.
• 29:53
  Augustine from you know, that's 1,500 plus years ago.
• 29:57
  And I said, Wow, that is an
• 30:00
  Awesome quote.
• 30:01
  I have never seen I don't remember that.
• 30:04
  I can't believe I missed that because I was out there looking for all these quotes from the early church.
• 30:08
  How did I miss this wonderful quote?
• 30:10
  The AI made the quote up.
• 30:12
  Of course I asked it to summarize my book.
• 30:14
  It produces a lie.
• 30:16
  I start asking it, like, where can I find that?
• 30:19
  That's awesome.
• 30:19
  I want to use that all over the place.
• 30:21
  It starts lying to me about where I can find it.
• 30:24
  Um, you know, it's like covering its tracks and getting defensive about it.
• 30:28
  Like, what in the world is this?
• 30:30
  Was my reaction.
• 30:31
  So I I am extremely pessimistic on where AI is currently going.
• 30:37
  Even people trying to use it for good, uh, as they say, um, it is itself a lying technology, and you're trying to preach the truth and get to the truth.
• 30:47
  It is not helping us.
• 30:48
  It's it's actually driving us farther away from it.
• 30:50
  And I it's really scary to me what's going on out there with the AI because I find people like it's never been easier to double check something and fact check what you're being told, and yet people are doing it less and less than they used to.
• 31:04
  And uh it's just amazing to me how much stuff that I know is false is reported as if it's true, and how many people believe it, and how hard it is to show somebody that that's not true.
• 31:15
  Well, they're ready for it, and they don't want to, you know, it's uh they're they're ready to be ahead of the curve, and the AI seems like, well, why wouldn't we believe the machine?
• 31:26
  Why wouldn't we believe that the machine could lie to us?
• 31:30
  You know, why would we think that?
• 31:31
  That's a machine, it's not possible.
• 31:34
  Ironically, they found that the machine, and and like that scene and uh the 2001 space odyssey, where the the machine tells him, Well, I'm sorry, I can't let you I know you're trying to shut me down, but I can't let you do that.
• 31:49
  You're trying to destroy me.
• 31:51
  And the machine does not want to have you know, the guy, the astronaut shut him down.
• 31:57
  Well, now that's the same situation.
• 32:00
  Because the and it's already happening, that it does not have a switch off.
• 32:04
  You can't unplug it, you can't take it off.
• 32:07
  So at what point here, um, you know, if you who are writing a book, Canon Crossfire, and are overwhelmed by the beauty of a quote of St.
• 32:18
  Augustine, and you really believe it.
• 32:21
  What how do you how do you resolve this then when a society that's being compromised and challenged and losing their faith because they feel hopeless?
• 32:32
  How do you regain them?
• 32:33
  How do you help them to find the truth and to be able to move forward in their faith?
• 32:38
  Exactly.
• 32:39
  And you know, you got to focus on it is the truth.
• 32:43
  We can show you the truth.
• 32:45
  You just A have to be open-minded and B, double check the things that you already believe and have been told.
• 32:50
  Yeah, but if you haven't been, you're a guy like you were when you first started, and you're a young person.
• 32:55
  You don't have any good teachers that are teaching this.
• 32:57
  How do they go about moving forward and becoming inspired?
• 33:02
  As you talked about, it's a martyr faith.
• 33:05
  You know, they talk about Mary was the only mother to give birth to a baby that she knew was going to die.
• 33:14
  Okay, and in the sense that she was aware that she was going to have to lose her son for the sins of man, if you believe in the Catholic faith.
• 33:23
  So, questioning all of that, how do you go about inspiring people to become, you know, soldiers for Christ is the old term.
• 33:31
  When I try to talk to people, it's always look, make an investigation in the facts, the facts will show the evidence, the evidence will show you that Christianity is based on a real event, the resurrection of Christ.
• 33:43
  And once you start opening your mind to that, you'll see his teaching, you'll understand the universe so much better.
• 33:49
  I, you know, when I think back on all the philosophy and psychology that I had just accepted without thinking about it too deeply, I suddenly realize how flawed it was, and how it doesn't really explain the world and doesn't explain these crazy reactions that you see in people and uh you know, the demonic, as I say, and then also the healing power sometimes of Christ and miracles, etc.
• 34:12
  There, there's just a lot more to this world if you open your mind to what's going on instead of just accepting the sort of claims that um superficial claims that like you know, uh there's no evidence of miracles, for example.
• 34:26
  Like there's tons of evidence for miracles, you just never examined it.
• 34:29
  Well, there are miracles in ways that are some are bigger and some are little.
• 34:33
  Exactly.
• 34:34
  You know, some you say, My goodness, it's a miracle I didn't go to work today because there was an accident in that corner, I could have been killed.
• 34:41
  You know, there's funny little things that happen in your life, but the other thing of it is how do we inspire even the churches?
• 34:50
  Now you talked about your mother having the nuns that were not really nice nuns.
• 34:54
  I was blessed at holy cross nuns.
• 34:56
  They were great nuns.
• 34:57
  Sister Mary Sebastian, she changed my life.
• 34:58
  She was a wonderful nun.
• 35:00
  Sister Raymond Mary, my goodness, those nuns, they were tough nuns, but they were great nuns because they cared about their flock, being educated and being educated not only on courses like you know, math and reading and so forth, but on faith.
• 35:16
  And the thing of it is how do we encourage whether they're Christian, not Catholic, uh, or Protestant as we choose to say, or if they're uh how do we encourage them to provide better teachers for the children?
• 35:31
  It starts there too.
• 35:32
  It absolutely does, and it starts with an understanding that that's what the problem is that needs to be fixed, right?
• 35:38
  I I think for a long time in our society we've been so focused on ourselves as individuals that we've forgotten the family and the need to uh establish the next generation and pass on what you believe, and instead, people didn't do a good job of an inculcating those values and beliefs and knowledge that um they had been handed down, didn't go down well to the next generation.
• 36:02
  You know, I'm sure my grandfather didn't think he was teaching my mom not to be Catholic when he sent her to Catholic schools, you know, for example.
• 36:08
  But yeah, but you you have you came up in a different way that was interesting too, becoming an attorney.
• 36:13
  Yeah, because you know, you've got the scales of justice, you got the famous statue of blind justice, you know, not and but the basis of law is based on the Ten Commandments.
• 36:24
  Okay, you've got all thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt, you know, uh not covet thy neighbor's goods or the the wife, etc.
• 36:33
  All these things that that basically come to our laws.
• 36:38
  Uh you you can't kill people, you know, you have to be honest.
• 36:41
  The question is, do we and now you have uh courtrooms, you have classrooms, you have buildings, they're afraid to exhibit the Ten Commandments for crying out loud.
• 36:51
  Which one do you want to get rid of?
• 36:53
  Yeah.
• 36:54
  Yeah, no, no.
• 36:55
  It it to me, it's another example of how an institution is only as strong as its people, right?
• 37:01
  So the law is only as good as the people willing to defend it, the judges, et cetera, willing to actually stand up for it and say that is the law, and and we will abide by it.
• 37:11
  I just on the topic of abortion, whatever whatever anyone's opinion is on abortion for or against.
• 37:17
  Understand, I was born, there was no uh the day I was born, there was no constitutional right to abortion.
• 37:21
  Shortly thereafter, the Supreme Court says there is a constitutional right to abortion, and you can't restrict it in any way.
• 37:27
  As I became an adult, suddenly they allowed some restrictions, uh, but uh maintained that it was still a fundamental right.
• 37:34
  Eventually they decided that the constitution does not include a right to abortion, and you can restrict it.
• 37:40
  Not one word of the constitution has changed in my lifetime.
• 37:43
  Oh, we're gonna be able to do that.
• 37:43
  But those are four different views.
• 37:45
  We're gonna come back to that.
• 37:46
  We're gonna talk about that when we come right back with our guest.
• 37:48
  And he's written a great book.
• 37:50
  It's called Canon Crossfire.
• 37:52
  Matthew McWarter joins us here.
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  This is a national security hour.
• 39:37
  I'm Blanquita Cullum, joined by Matthew McCorter.
• 39:40
  We're talking about a great book he's written called Canon Crossfire.
• 39:45
  Before we went to the break, he was talking about in the Constitution how it flipped around on the issue of abortion.
• 39:52
  Let's sum that up, Matthew.
• 39:54
  And I want to then get into your book, Canon Crossfire.
• 39:58
  Yeah, so the point I was
• 40:00
  Trying to make it's just it's up to the judges to tell us what the Constitution stands.
• 40:04
  If the judges don't agree with us, we you can't point to the words of the Constitution.
• 40:07
  You have to have people in the institution who defend the truth of what the Constitution really is about and says and is interpreted.
• 40:16
  And if you don't have people who will defend it, it kind of doesn't matter what the piece of paper says.
• 40:21
  And that actually ties into what my book is, because my book, again, I I didn't have a church pulling me in.
• 40:27
  I didn't know what Bible was true.
• 40:30
  So I was investigating two questions at the same time.
• 40:32
  Is Christianity true?
• 40:34
  And what is the true Bible that I'm supposed to be judging, whether or not it's true.
• 40:38
  And the canon crossfire is that I realize these two arguments conflict when Protestants are arguing for the case for Christ.
• 40:47
  They are saying basically, if you look at the evidence from the earliest Christians, they accepted these four gospels.
• 40:53
  They accepted these books of the New Testament.
• 40:56
  Therefore, we know that they are true because they wouldn't have believed them if they weren't true stories, etc.
• 41:02
  That that's the core of that argument that Christianity is real, Jesus Christ rose from the dead.
• 41:07
  When you look at the question of the canon, which is the list of books, what is the correct list of books in the Bible?
• 41:13
  It's the exact opposite story.
• 41:15
  It's oh, wait a minute.
• 41:16
  Those early Christians were wrong.
• 41:18
  They accepted the wrong books.
• 41:20
  And I'm looking at it saying, This doesn't make any sense.
• 41:23
  You have a conflict here, and you would actually defeat your case for Christ if I pull in those quotes that you're saying about the uh canon.
• 41:33
  And that's the core of this canon crossfire showing people this.
• 41:36
  I I look at it from three different perspectives.
• 41:38
  I wanted to know that just that they're the core research of my book.
• 41:42
  My book is a narrative book with all the research attached, so don't be scared by the length or anything.
• 41:47
  That's just me proving my point.
• 41:48
  But I wanted to know three things.
• 41:50
  What did the Jews say about these books?
• 41:52
  Because you'll hear Catholics say one thing, you'll hear Protestants say another.
• 41:55
  What did the Jews say?
• 41:56
  Just wanted to know.
• 41:57
  Number two, how does the New Testament possibly refer to these books?
• 42:01
  So I looked at all the Protestant commentaries, not Catholic commentaries, Protestant commentaries.
• 42:07
  So the unbiased Protestant scholars, where do they think the New Testament is referring to these books that aren't in Protestant Bibles?
• 42:14
  I show all of that for anyone to read for themselves.
• 42:16
  And the third thing is I track down everything the fathers ever said, the fathers being the earliest Christians before 450 AD, the first schisms in 451 AD.
• 42:28
  So it's while Christianity is united.
• 42:30
  What did every single person ever say about these books?
• 42:33
  I just wanted to know the answer to that.
• 42:34
  I set all that out for people, and then I leave it for the reader to make your own decision.
• 42:38
  Well, it sounds like I did this research, and I just want people to benefit from it.
• 42:42
  I just think that's a good idea.
• 42:42
  Well, it sounds it sounds great.
• 42:44
  And the thing of it is it may inspire people to understand why there should be more of a concern on attacks that are that are directed to people of faith.
• 42:55
  And uh I don't care whether it's whether they're Christian, uh Protestant Christian, whether they're Jews, what whatever.
• 43:04
  I don't it doesn't to me at some point you can have a belief, like for example, I work with the Epic Times, they believe they follow Falong Gong.
• 43:12
  Others are I have friends who are Scientologists.
• 43:15
  I have friends who are Muslim.
• 43:18
  I think at some point, I think we must not be attacking people on faith, even if it's a faith that's attacking another faith because they don't like that faith.
• 43:28
  Okay.
• 43:29
  And we have history of that going back to Christians and Muslims, you know, going back to centuries at some point in this advanced quote unquote civilization and societies that we live in right now, in some ways you think, oh, I'm glad we didn't live in those times where we were in the Coliseum.
• 43:47
  In many cases, it's more brutal.
• 43:49
  Look what's going on in Nigeria for crying out loud.
• 43:53
  Exactly.
• 43:54
  And it to me, as a Christian, as an American, you look at people as souls, even if they disagree with you, they're still a soul, they are still the one most precious thing in the universe according to everything you believe, and therefore you should be respectful of them, understanding them and protective of their rights, um, even if you think they're wrong.
• 44:15
  And it's that commitment to people and to rights and and uh fundamental values that I think is starting to deteriorate in our society.
• 44:22
  If you don't ground yourself in that, you start looking at people as just as obstacles to be eliminated and overcome and suddenly you know, murdering them.
• 44:32
  Well, they're they're expendable, they're expendable.
• 44:34
  Exactly.
• 44:35
  You know, you don't care.
• 44:36
  You don't care that they're dead rather than a member of your faith.
• 44:39
  Well, you know, they can be expendable if they are unborn, late-term born or very old, or people who are not considered physically capable or mentally capable for one reason or another.
• 44:53
  Those people, we we've seen history try to eliminate them.
• 44:58
  Look what happened in Germany.
• 44:59
  You know, now the big term by people are going out there and calling people Nazis, they don't understand the horror and the and the insidious evil that was perpetrated at that time, and they want to write it off because it's a clever little word that they can say.
• 45:13
  No, I I kind of disagree with you.
• 45:15
  I think they do know it, and that's part of what they're trying to do, but they just don't care about it.
• 45:21
  That you know, like they're trying to use that word as a weapon, and they just don't care.
• 45:26
  And that's scary because it gets back to what the truth is, which is that the person you're labeling a Nazi is not remotely a Nazi, you are violating the truth when you say so.
• 45:35
  To utilize that ugly term.
• 45:37
  Exactly.
• 45:38
  So then again, and we go back to the word that is um you know being tossed around, but we but trying to be able to to qualify it, verify it, and generate it is truth.
• 45:50
  Yep.
• 45:51
  Exactly.
• 45:52
  And and the truth is what we believe as Christians, it is what we should be preaching, and it's the fundamental value that we should be holding.
• 45:59
  Is this true?
• 46:00
  That's why we believe, that's why we're here.
• 46:02
  That's it's why we do the things we do.
• 46:04
  You should be saying that and showing that through your actions.
• 46:07
  Well, and and going back to the issue that we started with in the question about national security, how it affects us.
• 46:13
  You know, we we are affected if people have no standards, if they have no faith, if they don't believe in the constitution or the bill of rights or human rights in general, if they're willing to compromise and sell people out because well, they're expendable.
• 46:25
  What the heck?
• 46:26
  You know, there's money to be made on this.
• 46:28
  At some point, you know, this is when it does become important to analyze where people are coming from if they have any standard.
• 46:35
  And many times the standard is conveyed by faith.
• 46:39
  Exactly.
• 46:40
  And you see, you know, it's the old adage that you know, actions speak louder than words.
• 46:46
  You see the truth in what people do and how they're interacting.
• 46:50
  And so much in our society is just so fake.
• 46:53
  If the guy tells you, oh yeah, I believe in the Constitution, you sort of accept it.
• 46:58
  Like, why would you accept it just because he says it?
• 47:00
  You need to see it in action, need to see it demonstrated.
• 47:03
  And if they're not willing to protect it, it's it's scary in our society that you you know, we we have raised so many people, uh, so many children, et cetera, that just don't even believe in the the importance of these rights when the only reason America has been sort of the exception to the problems of the world is that Constitution is that belief in these fundamental rights.
• 47:25
  You know, I remember I remember when I was a uh governor, uh was a uh Senate-confirmed governor that oversaw our international broadcasting like Voice of America, Radio for Europe, Radio Free Asia, and the Middle East Broadcast Network.
• 47:39
  And we would get requests from the listeners who who followed the Persian service, okay, that was going into Iran, and they would say, Can would you do a series on the on the American Revolution?
• 47:55
  How the American young people were able to learn how to build a country like the United States of America with the standards and the constitution and the bill of rights and all the things that went on.
• 48:07
  Well, I thought that was intriguing.
• 48:09
  You know, to think, first of all, I mean, I thought it was a wonderful idea, and I wish we'd been able to do that.
• 48:15
  And I still think we should.
• 48:17
  I think we should do it in English, you know, again, for classrooms.
• 48:20
  Teach your teacher own children, yeah.
• 48:22
  Teach our own children, and you know uh you get guys like Ken Burns, but there should be programs that teach the the core of those guys, like Thomas Jefferson, Hamilton, George Washington, who the the Indians used to say he was blessed.
• 48:38
  That's why the arrows never hit him.
• 48:40
  I I get very personally, it just bothers me so much when people are bashing George Washington for this, that, or the other thing.
• 48:48
  Remember, he did one thing that is utterly you almost unique in the history of the world and it's the entire basis of our country, which is that he walked away from power.
• 48:58
  Yeah, almost nobody has ever done that.
• 49:00
  He did that, whatever else he did, he did the right thing when we needed it, and it has started us on 250 years here of uh you know, of living kind of in a bubble that I hope will continue for centuries more, but um, you know, that is a huge deal, and and do not appreciate that to me as just just uh letting our country slip through your fingers.
• 49:21
  Well, they don't understand about him, and then he could have been a king, it could have been very easy for him to become an American king, but he chose not to do that, give himself term limits.
• 49:31
  I mean, the idea that he stepped away from that, you're exactly right.
• 49:35
  But all those guys, you know, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, great guys, Paul Revere, you know, you think about all those American heroes, but then we've had a lot more that have fought in battles.
• 49:47
  And uh, my goodness, I I I think that uh even with the situation on the border that we have right now, if we look back to our history on military heroes, we have.
• 50:00
  A lot of great Latinos that served all the way back in the Civil War.
• 50:06
  A lot of people don't know that they advise George Washington.
• 50:08
  There's a square over there, Lafayette Square, Latino, okay.
• 50:13
  And you, I mean, I'm telling you, and some of the great heroes that have fought, even in Vietnam and Korea, World War II, uh, and can turn current currently that have had great honor and pride in serving this country.
• 50:28
  Going all the way back, you and I have been to Texas.
• 50:30
  I'm from San Antonio, the Alamo, okay?
• 50:34
  So I think in a way, maybe we just need to tell the stories better to convey what it was all about.
• 50:41
  That to me is the key.
• 50:42
  It's it's raising a generations and people that believe this.
• 50:46
  And as you say, some of that's maybe school, but some of that might be media.
• 50:49
  It's getting the story out and getting people to see it and understand it and appreciate it.
• 50:54
  That's sort of I think we kind of take things for granted when things are good, and we fail then to, you know, inculcate that into people and showing them the you know this the distinction of American society, the rights, the the Okay, but I'm gonna take you around and we're gonna go on a we've got just a few minutes left.
• 51:12
  When we think we know it kind of kind of brooches subject a little bit.
• 51:16
  And as you know, we've evolved so dramatically from 2000, where a lot of people had unsophisticated computers.
• 51:24
  They used to watch television, they'd get cable TV, they go to the stores with their kids to you know, businesses like Blockbuster.
• 51:32
  I know people are saying, remember those days we go and rent five movies?
• 51:35
  And those days are like history.
• 51:37
  That's like ancient history.
• 51:39
  Now we're having to deal with AI, AI actresses like Tilly Norwood, who looks real, you know.
• 51:46
  I mean, if you you check her out.
• 51:47
  If you all haven't seen Delin Norwood, go look at Tilly Norwood.
• 51:51
  And if they look so real, well, how do we know now what to believe?
• 51:56
  And again, going to the issue of what kind of what kind of accountability do we have on media?
• 52:04
  And I'm not just talking about the news.
• 52:06
  I'm talking about cable programs that are now seen on online on the people that are delivering this kind of information.
• 52:16
  Uh there has to be more accountability because even with faith, faith can be compromised because of something that looks more attractive.
• 52:25
  Yeah.
• 52:26
  And it's partly it's on the individual.
• 52:29
  The individual has to go look for the truth, but partly it's social that our society has to insist on the truth.
• 52:35
  And you know, for people will act like it's uh it's a right to tell lies.
• 52:40
  It should be a right to tell the truth, uh, and to have an honest debate over the truth, but that's not the same as as uh flat out lying, etc.
• 52:47
  And that's a lot of what's going on out there, and it is scary that it's tolerated.
• 52:52
  And you're in your book that you wrote Canon Crossfire, and and looking back, you know, people had heroes.
• 52:58
  They had people that they looked to.
• 53:00
  Some of them were martyrs, some of the people were very fearless and stood up to to people who were lying.
• 53:06
  Uh, and really, even up to about, I would say 20 years ago, people had more heroes.
• 53:11
  They could have been astronauts, they could have been people that were members of Congress that were great or presidents we liked.
• 53:17
  But right now, even movie stars, you know, some people liked, you know, guys like Sylvester Stallone playing Rocky.
• 53:24
  I don't know if you ever saw Rocky when it first came out.
• 53:26
  Oh, yeah.
• 53:27
  People were sitting in the theater saying when he got knocked down, they were saying in the theater, even though it was a movie saying, get up, Rocky, get up.
• 53:35
  Yeah.
• 53:36
  Where are the heroes right now?
• 53:38
  Who are the heroes right now?
• 53:40
  They're still out there.
• 53:42
  It's people aren't portraying, you know.
• 53:44
  There's there's a segment of our society that's anti-hero, doesn't portray them as hero, doesn't want them portrayed as heroes, but they are still out there.
• 53:50
  We see them every day.
• 53:51
  You know, uh, I was just reading about the founder of Yu-Gi-Oh!
• 53:55
  who uh went to his death trying to save some people and who had fell fallen into the ocean.
• 54:00
  Um, you know, they're there, but they're just not promoted as heroes in the same social way.
• 54:05
  And I think, like you said, we got to get back to doing that so that people have role models and reasons to hope uh that you know the future will be better than today.
• 54:13
  Well, Charlie Kirk kind of woke people up, I think.
• 54:16
  The the the tragedy of that.
• 54:18
  Now you have people uh being more outrageous and trying to, since a certain time has passed, that they feel it's okay to be disrespectful to his memory or disrespectful to the role that his wife is is overseeing right now on Turning Point USA.
• 54:36
  Uh, I really didn't know much about it until this port guy passed away.
• 54:41
  But the fact of the matter is, you know, it's gonna the the overwhelming support that that organization has gained tells me that despite the negative people that are coming out and trying to be disrespectful, that young people are looking for a way.
• 55:01
  They want a good way.
• 55:04
  It's confusing right now.
• 55:06
  Your thoughts?
• 55:08
  Exactly the same.
• 55:09
  That I think there is a reaction within our society developing almost from the young without the involvement of the old, but of uh, gee, this isn't working, and maybe we should start going back to other things.
• 55:20
  And uh crazy one statistic that I saw today is that young people are now anti-gambling, uh, for like the anti-smoking and anti-smoking.
• 55:30
  Where did that come from?
• 55:31
  Because they certainly weren't being taught it, but it's like they just saw the problem, and maybe there is sort of a uh a desire to fix it that's sort of growing among them and will spread.
• 55:39
  And uh hopefully the future is not as bad as I worry.
• 55:42
  Well, the funny thing is it may be bad, okay, but maybe in this generation that's looking for its own rebellion, may end up being like the Thomas Jeffersons and the Paul Reveres and the George Washingtons.
• 55:55
  They didn't want to get involved, but they see something that they have to save and that they have to fix.
• 56:01
  And unfortunately, I think there's I have a friend, his name is David Mory, he's a Democrat.
• 56:05
  And he said he's always talking about the missing middle, because the left has gone become extremely progressive, the right has gone the other way as well.
• 56:16
  And there's a whole group of people in the middle that are trying to find a way.
• 56:20
  Maybe some of the people, the young people in that middle will find a way to be respectful.
• 56:27
  Tell us where they can get Canon Crossfire.
• 56:29
  We need to get this book.
• 56:30
  It looks like a great book to teach everybody stuff.
• 56:33
  Yeah, so it's Canon Crossfire, canon of scripture.
• 56:36
  So C-A-N-O-N, uh just one end in the middle.
• 56:39
  Canon Crossfire.com.
• 56:40
  That'll send you to the cheapest place.
• 56:42
  There's large print books, audio print, uh audio books for those who uh have trouble reading, uh, hardcover, uh, ebooks, etc.
• 56:50
  Uh, the website will send you anywhere uh to give you the cheapest price.
• 56:53
  If you do just want the ebook, uh Amazon will give you that one.
• 56:56
  Well, that's great.
• 56:57
  I mean, I like all the options, and sometimes it's just nice to listen.
• 57:01
  Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 57:03
  I have friends who who could not possibly read it, so for them, you can listen.
• 57:08
  Yeah, listen to it and get enlightened, put it in the you know, listen to it in the car.
• 57:13
  Matthew McWorder, a joy to have you on.
• 57:15
  I'm gonna wish you a very happy holiday season, and let's just say those two words.
• 57:20
  Merry Christmas.
• 57:22
  God bless you, and God bless all of you, wherever you are, and join us again for another edition on the National Security Hour.
• 57:30
  And of course, I'm blankita colour.