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The CFL Outsiders S02/E19 The Bloom is off that Rose · The CFL Outsiders

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  Hey kids, welcome back to another episode of the CFL Outsiders.
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  I remain as always, your 100 % unbiased, completely impartial, and kind of in a funk co-host, Oldman Shoutingatclouds And unusually this week, with me also joining in with the
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  wails of anguish and the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments is MJ.
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  Hi everyone, yes quite so.
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  I just want to take a moment to say it is Truth and Reconciliation Day and I'm a settler and I am so privileged to live, work and watch football on treaty lands.
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  Well said.
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  Try and follow that up, GT
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  I've got nothing that can follow that up because it's so well said.
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  I will only say I'm welcome to be back.
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  I'm not quite as despondent as it appears you two are, but I'm not real happy.
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  Yeah, well for the first time this week or first time this year, none of our teams got the CFL Outsiders bump.
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  It was a bit of a tough week.
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  But we'll get to that.
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  A couple of things first.
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  I just, I'm gonna say right at the start here, I do this usually at the end and most of you have turned out.
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  So I'm gonna remind you, now's a good time to subscribe.
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  If you haven't yet.
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  Subscribe.
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  That way you're in solidarity with us on the whole CFL and the rules change and everything like that.
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  That's why you come on in.
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  Or subscribe because you'll make an old man happy.
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  But please do subscribe and like and comment and all that stuff.
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  Get that out of the way early.
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  But we
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  also have this is from last week and it's more sad news.
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  Unfortunately, we learned late last week that the
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  the new owner the year owner of the Edmonton Elk Larry Thompson passed away.
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  I'm told it was complications after surgery he was 65 years of age and we of course want to join the rest of the CFL community and sending out our condolences and best best vibes
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  best thoughts to the Thompson family their friends the Elks organization.
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  65 is far too young to pass.
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  And I guess the best thing that can be said is it was obvious that he was a lifelong lover of the Edmonton football organization.
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  And I'm glad he got a year there running it.
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  Anything else to add or?
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  Okay.
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  also glad to hear that his family intends to maintain the ownership and carry forward with Larry's plans that they're not going to move on, that they're not going to move away from
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  the organization.
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  So that's very good news for the league in a sad situation.
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  Yes I agree, it's excellent news for the league but overshadowed by what made it happen.
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  Yep, absolutely.
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  Um, I'll move on quickly.
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  Uh, my weekly fantasy update.
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  I believe I'm in the playoffs.
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  Hey, raise the roof.
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  Woo.
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  Woo.
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  Woo.
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  We don't not official yet.
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  And there's a lot, a lot of gazinzas and gazazas and math to be done on it, but I did the best I could.
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  And I believe there's the top eight minutes of the playoffs.
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  was hanging on to eight.
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  I think I jumped up to seventh this week.
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  So no idea who I'll be playing in the first round, but
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  Fingers crossed, unless there was major point adjustments by the CFL or I got something wrong, I think we're in.
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  And I did that with 98.5 points, which was not bad.
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  I was over Cooper Trooper 42, who I think is Ryan Coop out of Canadian football countdown.
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  He's usually very good and he was only 93.6.
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  So not bad for me.
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  I managed to be smart about picking Nathan and...
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  hatcher with them.
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  In fact, we had, when I looked at it afterwards, Cooper Trooper and I had three different players.
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  The rest we'd all picked the same.
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  So it really came down to just which one of those players did the best.
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  I think going with Jake Herslow, jumping Jake helped me.
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  How about the two of you?
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  Teams this week?
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  Now, I didn't play this week.
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  I had 107.6 points.
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  gosh, look at you!
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  You guys are just starting up and thumping me!
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  Congratulations!
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  Well, I had Rourke as my captain.
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  I figured out how to do captains this week.
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  And I had, who else got me lots of points?
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  Not really.
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  I had Bell, I had Philpott, I had Smith.
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  I kind of went on the Ti Cats.
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  thought they were gonna.
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  Oh no.
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  uh
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  okay kind of made mockery of what I said last week about I always in doubt go back to Bo because he always performs Yeah Yeah, well hey, it was that kind of week nobody really
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  blew up anywhere So it was a matter of making up your points wherever you could that's why the again a score over a hundred is pretty good I don't think many people were getting up
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  over about 130 this week all right, and
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  Next up the agenda here, few mistakes last week so it's mea culpa time.
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  Yeah.
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  This one's on
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  me.
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  I mistakenly called Rod Smith, right?
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  That's who it is.
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  I'm apologizing for the proper.
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  I mistakenly called Rod Smith Rod Peterson.
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  So, Rod Peterson, I am sorry.
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  I would also like to apologize to the Rouge for anything I said about it because after listening to all of them, my American friends and American podcasters who talked about
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  CFL.
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  and how much they love the rouge, actually felt quite bad that I had said anything negative about it.
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  well, anything from you this week GT or were you good?
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  I've had no comments that told me I wasn't, so I'm going to say I'm good.
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  Okay.
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  And personally, I talked about Ricky Ray at the rush end in Saskatchewan, which was fairly silly to even picture.
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  And of course I meant Shane Ray, as was out with injury.
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  And then I also noticed that this probably happens more than I catch, but there were at least two or three times where I was in a game and ended up mentioning the completely
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  wrong team.
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  We were talking, I don't know, like...
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  Saskatchewan and Edmonton and I'd throw a Montreal in there or something.
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  So I apologize if I've confused anyone with that.
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  I'll try to do my best to avoid it in the future.
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  But as I tell the goddess here, if you're going to understand me, you got to listen to what I mean, not what I say.
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  Alright, now you mentioned MJ the Truth and Reconciliation Day.
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  Did we want to talk a little bit more about that and the stuff that was done?
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  Yeah, I would love to.
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  So today is Truth and Reconciliation Day and you know, it's something that we should all be learning and growing from.
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  The League, I will say this, I give the League a lot of crap a lot of time and Truth and Reconciliation is something they do extremely well.
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  And it grows at each year and every year it just becomes more and more.
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  So I just wrote down some things.
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  There's lots of videos.
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  There's lots of social media about this.
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  You can look at it.
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  Lots of players are posting, coaches, teams.
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  But I just wanted to highlight a few things that the league did this year.
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  So this year, they had the orange laces on the footballs, which was new for this year.
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  I love that.
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  The teams are wearing their orange warm-up jerseys.
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  And everyone had their logos.
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  And I mean, just like...
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  The Elks logo alone I wish was their regular logo and actually the guy who, I think his name's Conrad, I should have looked it up, I'm so sorry.
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  But he designed the Elks logo and he was at the game on Saturday and he was in attendance so he was posting about that and it was just really cool to see something like live in
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  action like that.
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  A lot of the teams had before the game or for halftime they had...
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  uh
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  drummers and people in their regalia and it was just really incredible.
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  Watch always gives me goosebumps.
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  And the refs had orange whistles and they this year they had the Every Child Matters on the back of their referee shirts, which was really cool to see.
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  And Ben Major spoke the first he's done this is I think this is the second or third year he's done this where he spoke done that the first penalty in Ojibwe.
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  And what a gem of a man.
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  Like
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  That takes a lot of guts and he did it and he always does such a great job.
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  And then I don't know if you've seen the new merch that's out this week.
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  All these teams put out like hoodies and t-shirts and toques and jerseys with the indigenous logos on them and they are gorgeous.
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  And I just wish.
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  Maybe this is just because it's my household who has three to four teams that I need to buy for, but I wish there was just a central location where I could buy everything without
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  having to pay $20 shipping to each team store.
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  But go take a look because the merchandise is beautiful.
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  And I think a lot of them are donating some proceeds from that merchandise to different charities and organizations.
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  Yeah, the Argos this year are mailing everyone, all season ticket holders, a patch of the Indigenous logo, which I really like the Argos Indigenous logo.
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  And so I don't know what it's going to look like.
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  And now that we have a mail strike, I don't know when we're going to receive it, because they said they were mailing it.
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  So that'll be interesting.
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  But nonetheless, that's very good.
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  I wish that the two things about the shipping
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  that you mentioned MJ.
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  Number one is absolutely the CFL should have a central spot that you can buy merch from.
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  It's another thing that's not hard to fix and they should have fixed long time ago, just so that you don't have to pay $20 to each thing.
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  And then I wish there was a one t-shirt with all the logos on it.
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  The complete league wide logos across the back or across the front.
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  And they don't have to be huge, just enough that you could fit all nine and then.
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  know, some central CFL logo in Indigenous uh kind of lettering or whatever below it would be terrific, and I would have one of those for sure.
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  And lastly, just on Truth and Reconciliation Day as a day, I know there are still some people that for some reason don't feel like we need a day.
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  And I have always said, since we decided to do this day, which I believe is a great idea and the government made the right decision, I just think they timed it wrong.
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  If I was the government, I would have done it on Victoria Day.
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  I would have just scrapped Victoria Day and made it truth and reconciliation.
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  If you really want to get rid of something, you really want to say something, get rid of a dead queen that was the leader of most of the time that we had the biggest issues in this
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  country and across the British Empire, and make that...
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  Truth and Reconciliation Day instead of yet another day that really that's what I don't agree with.
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  We didn't need another day.
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  We should have just made it instead of Victoria Day.
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  But that's my two cents.
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  Yes.
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  And I can go along with that.
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  I think it would have been a powerful statement.
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  frankly, from where I'm sitting, it didn't make a difference.
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  But for those folks who still work for a living, they may want that extra day off during the year.
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  Who knows?
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  But no, I...
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  Yeah.
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  most holidays, it's a day off that nobody pays attention to.
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  It's the same reason I really don't want Remembrance Day to become a national holiday, because then no one pays attention to it at all.
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  It's just another day off.
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  And so I would rather it be a day that is recognized and is separate and is something that we do talk about, not just forget about and
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  name it after a case of beer.
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  Yeah, I agree.
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  I went a little lighthearted with that and perhaps I shouldn't have, but no, I do agree.
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  Yeah, I'm glad they did it.
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  Anything that adds more punch to that message is great.
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  And as far as the CFL went, I think you covered off most of it except for the fact that, they do a great job.
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  And my opinion, there's probably four of the...
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  maybe five of the logos that I almost would like to see better than their everyday ones, because those are really fantastic.
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  And then the other thing that I did notice was again, the bombers brought down, I think it was about 2000 families, kids and that gave them a full session and the Grand Chief was on
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  the broadcast talking about for a lot of them, it's the first time they'd ever been into a big city at all even.
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  So that experience just has to be incredible.
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  Applause to the CFL for what they do there.
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  I haven't been shy about saying they've disappointed me some in the last few years, but that is a fantastic initiative.
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  All right.
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  hit it out of the park.
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  They are just above and beyond.
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  Like that organization deserves a lot of props.
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  And speaking of good organizations, the other thing that came out on the weekend, the in counter point to the Argos who are going to only play three home games next year because
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  of the World Cup, the Lions are also in that situation for two of their games and they've opted to play them in the province of BC.
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  So I should have had the dates here.
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  I don't, but...
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  Look it up if you're in BC and close by here or you want to get tickets.
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  We'll definitely be doing that for the Kelowna game.
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  But they're going to do one in Kelowna and one in Langford.
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  are they doing two in Kelowna now?
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  I'd heard one.
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  they're gonna play Edmonton and Calgary in Kelowna.
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  Well, thank you for that.
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  See, I'm close by and I don't, I'd only heard the one.
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  So that's good.
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  My only concern there is I don't know how they're going to set up and shuttle people in because they're playing at the Apple bowl.
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  The Apple bowl seats right now about 2,500, maybe 3000.
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  And they say they're going to bump that up to about 20,000, but the parking for it doesn't support.
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  a Mardomin can do though?
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  Sky's the limit.
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  Sky's the limit with him.
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  I'm not concerned at all.
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  No, I'm not either, but it is the one wrinkle in it because the parking lot that supports the Apple Bowl probably supports about 150 cars.
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  So if they're bringing 20,000 people in, they're going to have to do some serious negotiating with the city.
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  And I imagine they'll probably find a drop off point on the west side and north of town and that for vehicles and then just bus people in.
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  That's kind what they did at Touchdown Atlantic.
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  So thank you, two games.
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  Hey, even better.
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  And sorry, who did you say they were playing?
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  Edmonton and Calgary.
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  that's going to be a tough choice.
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  Maybe I'll go to both.
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  Yeah.
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  I'll see.
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  I'll see how the tape, how it looks like, what the interest is like.
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  I hate to, in some ways, I hate to go to both and cut somebody else out of getting a chance to see one, but I'll figure that out.
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  We're going to at least one.
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  Okay, before you get yourself in trouble and have to do another meet a couple next week, Toronto is not playing only three home games next week, or next year as you said.
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  They're playing three games on the road that they're calling home games.
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  So there are three games on the road, Saskatchewan, Hamilton and Winnipeg, as we talked about, and they're calling those home games.
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  yes, so they're both have three games away from their stadiums.
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  BC just done a much better job.
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  of locating those three games.
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  Thank you.
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  Keep me on the talk.
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  makes MLSC look silly.
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  They look so silly.
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  I think they forgot they had a team and then scrambled.
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  Yes, yeah, no we
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  Ah, yes I know.
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  Anyway, what else did we have here?
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  Oh, I imagine you're probably best positioned to give me your take on this GT.
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  There was a big trade between the Stamps and the Red Blacks this week.
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  Absolutely.
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  It was a big trade actually.
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  um solves a lot of, well don't know if it solves, but it certainly improves the Stampeters defensive line, which has been a big issue in the last three games.
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  And because between Hutchins and Formelade both being injured at various times, it's shown that they needed both of those players and both of those positions to be better.
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  Certainly Lorenzo Malden has been an all-star twice.
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  led the league in sacks with 18 the first year he was in Ottawa.
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  And yeah, he's declined a bit, but it was interesting today in his interview post-practice, his first practice in Calgary, he said he just didn't fit in the scheme
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  that they're running in Ottawa now.
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  So he feels like, you know, that was the issue, not the fact that he's lost an edge.
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  So we'll see how he fits in the Calgary scheme.
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  But certainly he's, you know, it's a good trade.
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  And they gave up a fourth round in pick in the 2026 draft.
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  So it didn't cost them a lot.
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  And uh yeah, I think it's good deal for the Stampeders.
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  And I don't know what that says about what the Red Blacks are thinking now.
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  They justified it by saying they have a young player that they want to get younger, you know.
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  But it's a weird time to get younger at this point of the season unless you're already saying it doesn't matter.
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  So that may be more of the message.
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  I laughed when I saw this because we had talked about how nobody was sellers and I was like today, I'm like the red blacks are sellers now.
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  yeah.
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  No, that just makes me wonder if the Argos are next to be selling.
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  So we'll see.
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  Yeah, possibly given the field goal kicking this weekend, there may be a few people wanting to talk about Hiealajjuh But no, I, I agree.
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  I think it was a great trade.
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  It's obvious that, that that loss of Arimolade has really impacted how teams are able to block up the Calgary front and has made them less effectual.
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  But if, if Lorenzo can go in there and give even
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  you know, three quarters of the push they get out of Orimalade and command some double teams that should help put them back on track.
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  And the other side of it that I heard is, you frankly, he's got, at a point where we've got four games left, I think, for everybody in the season, and then he's a free agent.
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  And it doesn't look like they're making the playoffs.
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  So if the Red Blacks can get something out of him rather than just losing him on the market, they may as well.
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  It'd amazing how much better he plays when he's on a contender.
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  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  See what happens because he with Ottawa, he was great.
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  But like you said, they've changed up their defensive coordinators since then and running different schemes and who knows.
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  you know, you look at Cam Judge this year in Toronto, he is just playing lights out.
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  You know, he's getting a bit up there in age and he's looking fantastic.
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  And he was back with Toronto, was it four or five years ago and barely made the field.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  just because he didn't fit the scheme that they were running at the time.
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  So that's got a lot to do with it.
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  There were a couple other releases today.
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  Not, I put them down as notable releases, but I don't know if they are, but it's just, it's interesting.
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  His teams are getting ready for the post-season and expanding their practice rosters.
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  The ones that are saying, okay, these are guys that aren't doing what we need.
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  And the one was Jonathan Jones in Winnipeg who they signed as a free agent out of the Argos in the linebacker spot.
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  haven't needed them much this year.
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  And then the other one was Kosyonyek out of Saskatchewan.
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  And how they...
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  he'd been playing the last couple of games as safety in because La Combo and Ford were both out and he did not look good in that game this weekend.
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  So I think that was where they decided time to cut the losses there.
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  So I find those notable coming up this time of the year.
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  Also, we were talking about this stuff and GT, you mentioned sent me a text about talking about maybe we should think about the trades we'd like to make.
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  Yeah, I just thought that, you know, with the trade deadline tomorrow and uh the fact that there usually isn't a lot of big trades, I think the one, yes, over the weekend between
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  Calgary and Ottawa was a bit of a surprise.
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  So I thought, you know what, we should just come up with one trade we'd like to see that whether it be for your team or whether it be for another team, just because you like it,
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  whether it be for chaos because you think you need that 12 person deal or whether you just are 14
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  trade, or whether you just think this would be a trade that would make sense at this time of year, either for the next five games in the playoffs or going forward.
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  So I thought I would throw it open and then I would finish.
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  So who would like to
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  do you want to go first MJ, or do want me to?
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  Okay.
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  yeah, so I might my interest, I think you might talk about kickers.
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  So I will talk about QBs.
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  I was just thinking that Calgary or Winnipeg needs a backup, especially Calgary if they think they're going to make a push.
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  So I'm wondering if one of those two are talking to the alouettes about Cameron Dukes, because he is still on their roster, and they don't need him.
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  and who make you see them offering up?
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  Honestly, I think it's just gonna be a draft pick.
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  I don't think it's going to be any one of note think they just need, with Cameron's contract, he's probably just to the end, they just need a warm body that can do a CFL
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  scheme and go out if necessary.
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  Okay, that sounds good.
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  Well, I thought about this and my first reaction was I thought the trade I'd like to see would be Chad Kelly going to Buffalo for an extra five points on the merchandise that MLS
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  sells, but that seemed a little irreverent to me.
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  So, when I looked at this as an actual trade that I thought could happen and could help both teams right now, I would see it
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  I'm putting it in surprise.
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  One side is the riders because I'm fairly intimate with what they have there.
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  And the other side is the alouettes.
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  And I would like to see the riders send Sam Amelest to the alouettes in return for Marc-Antoine de Croix.
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  Because the al's could use a little more help in their receiving core still The riders are stacked and the riders haven't been real great at safety for the last couple of years.
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  They've had the Lecombeau in and he's serviceable.
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  De Croix would be much better.
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  So I think that'll be a win-win.
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  Yeah, that's a good one.
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  Yeah, that's a good one because that's how I was trying to look at it as well as to who needs what and how you would make that work.
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  I was, then I went through each team and said, okay, who would I like to have?
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  Who would I get if I was making a trade for my team, for the Stampeders?
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  Who would I look at?
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  And I came up with three guys as much as anything, actually four that I would list that I thought I would really like to have them on my team.
• 23:32
  The first guy that I would like to have is Joel Deblanco I would like to get him out of Edmonton.
• 23:37
  I think when they get their linebacker core back, he's going to be again relegated to a part-time position.
• 23:45
  And Calgary really needs to increase their Canadian linebacker.
• 23:50
  Titzes is, Micah itzes has been there, but he's not going to be there and he's not the guy that you need either in the short term or the long term.
• 23:59
  So I think uh somebody like
• 24:01
  De Blanco would fit in there really, really well.
• 24:04
  The other player that I thought that they could, but they're not going to get him.
• 24:07
  That's a kind of a pie in the sky.
• 24:09
  The other one that I thought they might be able to get is out of Montreal.
• 24:13
  I thought they might be able to get Tyrell Richards, who was the number one pick three years ago, but basically hasn't seen a lot of the field, but still is a very good
• 24:23
  linebacker and it's certainly an upgrade from Micah Titzes
• 24:26
  So I thought that might be somebody that they could probably pry away for less of a price, say a third round pick or as you mentioned, another Canadian receiver.
• 24:36
  I don't know that Calgary has that many, but they might be able to get something out of that right now.
• 24:41
  The two guys, other guys that I thought were, basically are also untouchable, but would fit in really well.
• 24:47
  I'd love to get Evan Holma somehow out of Winnipeg.
• 24:51
  I just think he's such a tremendous defensive back.
• 24:54
  I'd love to get, I think I'd like to really get, because again, we need defensive linemen, I'd like to get Baldenado out as the Saskatchewan.
• 25:02
  I don't think that's completely unattainable, but I do think it would cost you a lot because he is a global impact player.
• 25:09
  So it would cost you even though Saskatchewan's really deep and they on the defensive line.
• 25:14
  And lastly, the guy that for the futures that I would like to get.
• 25:18
  is I'd really like to somehow get Tucker Horn out of Toronto as the quarterback going forward.
• 25:25
  You know, I was raving about him in the preseason and I still like him a lot.
• 25:29
  I really think he has potential more than what they've got there right now going forward.
• 25:34
  So that's another one that I think, you know, I don't think he's available, but I would like to get.
• 25:40
  So the one that's probably mostly available is Tyrell Richards.
• 25:44
  And I don't think you would have to give up much more than say a third round pick at this.
• 25:49
  I would think so, maybe lower even.
• 25:51
  I mean, you look at this, Malden went for a fourth round.
• 25:54
  Even VA wasn't the first round, was he?
• 25:57
  Yeah.
• 25:58
  yeah, no, it was technically a first round pick, but because of the way the draft went, it fell into the second round.
• 26:04
  So, right, so that, and then they've got all the weirdness going, but yes.
• 26:09
  I remember that whole thing about, yeah, BC overpaying stuff.
• 26:12
  Yeah, well that makes sense.
• 26:14
  And I gotta tell you.
• 26:16
  riders a kicker?
• 26:18
  the
• 26:19
  Noooo
• 26:22
  Nothing to worry about.
• 26:24
  Ha ha ha.
• 26:25
  is fine.
• 26:27
  Yeah, I will say in Lowther's defense, and I don't know if he's going through stuff or if he's not or anything, but the one excuse he did have that some of the others didn't this
• 26:40
  weekend was he had a brand new holder because they put the new punter in.
• 26:44
  And so it takes a little bit of time to get that together.
• 26:47
  This has been all season long you can't no
• 26:50
  season up and down, but he has come back.
• 26:52
  He hadn't missed in like the other than at the convert in about the last three games.
• 26:55
  Mind you, they haven't been working them a lot either.
• 26:58
  But yeah, I don't know.
• 26:59
  No, I didn't see it didn't go that way with it.
• 27:02
  I looked for something that was a little more blockbuster and I figured Star Canadian for Star Canadian makes would make some headlines.
• 27:08
  thought we were doing serious, like, realistic ones, not...
• 27:12
  no no!
• 27:13
  yeah, I was looking for like, okay, like who could you trade Nathan Roark for?
• 27:19
  And what would you, you know, who, like, and I was like, yeah, well, you know, Ottawa would give the whole team, you know, type of idea.
• 27:26
  wonder what Ottawa would give to have Trey Ford on their team.
• 27:30
  Like, so Eugene and Trey could be back together.
• 27:35
  Not much.
• 27:37
  the blooms off that rose a lot.
• 27:39
  Yeah, especially with...
• 27:40
  happy.
• 27:41
  Otherwise, like, I thinking this weekend, like, Trey's living his best life in Edmonton.
• 27:45
  He never gets hit.
• 27:47
  He's just going to games.
• 27:48
  He's getting paid a lot, running his Airbnb, hanging out with his brother, posting an Instagram story of his daughter every day, like, just having a great time in Edmonton.
• 27:58
  think Trey needs to worry about how much he's going to get paid next year, let alone where he's going to play next year.
• 28:04
  Because he's not making the money next year that he's making this year.
• 28:08
  Yeah.
• 28:08
  is definitely true.
• 28:09
  Hopefully he's put, he's salted some away and either he'll, he will fade out or if he's going to get anywhere.
• 28:17
  I see him as sort of in the stage where VA was when he first got to the league.
• 28:21
  There was lots of hype on him, but bounced around three or four teams until he found someone that could work with him.
• 28:27
  Anyway, that's, that's that and a little bit of confusion, but what the heck, that makes more, more for more fun in our little games.
• 28:34
  Hahaha
• 28:34
  do have one last game to play, but this one isn't ours before we get to the games.
• 28:39
  This is the CFL's game because they have now opened up the CFL All-Stars where we get to vote.
• 28:44
  And so anyone that doesn't know that you vote for one person in each of the positions that are available, which is kicker, punter, and special teams overall, linebacker, D-line and
• 28:56
  DB, quarterback, wide receiver, running back and O-line.
• 29:02
  So what I figure we should do here is try not to take too, too long with this, but if we go through it and if we uh each take our pick for that position and make a little bit of a
• 29:12
  case for it, and then we'll decide out of the three who we're gonna take.
• 29:16
  So the kicker position, it looks like everybody's available.
• 29:21
  I'm going to start by suggesting, I think probably Sean White.
• 29:26
  I know he's getting older and he doesn't have quite the legs some of these other kickers do.
• 29:30
  but he is just so dang consistent all the way through and that would be my choice.
• 29:35
  How about for the two of you?
• 29:37
  I also picked white.
• 29:39
  I just thought I joked this weekend that all the kickers are little rattled from the rule changes because they all had a little But white's Mr.
• 29:46
  Consistent and if it was down to the wire that's who I'd want kicking for me.
• 29:50
  I actually had uh Leggio as the guy for me, which is dramatically different than I would have picked three years ago when he was in Winnipeg, that's for sure.
• 30:00
  He has had the resurrection and I think he's been very consistent pretty much all year as well.
• 30:07
  They say he doesn't have the leg, but he was kicking 55 yarders on the weekend.
• 30:11
  I will, yeah, I will take the, I think Leggio's my guy.
• 30:18
  well he would have probably been my second choice.
• 30:21
  I was going back and forth.
• 30:22
  But are you sticking to your guns on on white MJ?
• 30:26
  Because then we outvote GT.
• 30:27
  Okay, so we know what that one is.
• 30:28
  So the punters.
• 30:30
  Who wants to go first on this one?
• 30:32
  on every.
• 30:33
  from Calgary.
• 30:35
  I never even really thought about punters because I didn't think there would be two different, I thought it would just be one or the other.
• 30:42
  So you go ahead, you go ahead old man and let me think a bit.
• 30:45
  Okay, so let me see, because there are some here that are like, we couldn't pick the new Saskatchewan guy because he's not on here.
• 30:52
  So let me just take a look here and see, make sure everybody that I want is on here.
• 30:56
  Yeah, they are.
• 30:57
  So I would suggest this year, I'd probably go with Carl Meyer of the, of the Lions.
• 31:02
  That's who I was going with too.
• 31:04
  Yeah, I would go with Carl Meyer.
• 31:06
  picked an in.
• 31:08
  Okay, special teamer of the year.
• 31:11
  I should have looked up who has tackles.
• 31:13
  I haven't been really playing that much.
• 31:15
  I guess for me it's probably going to come down to a returner.
• 31:19
  Yeah.
• 31:19
  Greg Vavell.
• 31:20
  Who else could it be?
• 31:21
  Yeah.
• 31:22
  It's like little razzle dazzle.
• 31:26
  He is, he is.
• 31:27
  I picked him.
• 31:28
  I voted on this today on the website.
• 31:30
  Yeah.
• 31:30
  and checked all this.
• 31:31
  Okay.
• 31:32
  Hold on.
• 31:33
  know how there's a better way to do this.
• 31:34
  Here let me get this thing up here.
• 31:37
  I want Winnipeg for this now.
• 31:40
  And while I'm doing this start thinking linebacker.
• 31:42
  And they don't differentiate between weak or strong side, just linebacker in general.
• 31:46
  So we're flipping it back up to offense.
• 31:48
  Well, I can say that when I looked through the ones that have been out there this year and what they've accomplished, there's a lot of big names and there's some legacy stuff there
• 31:59
  with it.
• 32:00
  You could pick several of them.
• 32:02
  Tougher to pick Edmonton because they've had some come out and then with Calgary, unless you're going to go for one of the outside linebackers, same sort of thing.
• 32:12
  did you pick your returner?
• 32:14
  Yes, we, the returner was Babel.
• 32:16
  Okay.
• 32:18
  So we're now talking this, but I think when it comes right down to it, if there's so many things when you start putting, I'm quibbling, start putting the strong side and the weak
• 32:27
  side in there and everything.
• 32:28
  But I think in the end, this year, this really come, I think of this as linebackers, as middle linebacker, and it comes down to Sankey or McManus.
• 32:37
  And I think Sankey has had a slightly better season.
• 32:39
  So that would be where I would go.
• 32:42
  I put Revenberg because my note says, Bo is still not injured.
• 32:47
  That's O-Line, we're on Linebacker.
• 32:49
  uh
• 32:52
  And I thought for a second, Ravenberg's a linebacker?
• 32:55
  Wait a second.
• 32:57
  Man, it has been a week of changes.
• 32:59
  oh, linebacker, okay.
• 33:02
  Whoa, no, where's my notes?
• 33:05
  Okay, go first.
• 33:06
  I didn't have this on my list at all when I went up by position groups.
• 33:10
  It's not one of the ones that I picked, but off the top of my head, I'm gonna go off the board and be a little bit of a homer, but I think Roberts would be my pick in Calgary.
• 33:19
  I think he's had a tremendous year.
• 33:21
  I think he's, again, a guy that's really stepped up and has proven himself and sort of come out of nowhere and has...
• 33:29
  even with the weakness in their other positions in the linebacking corps after Markelle Lee got injured, I think that he's really stepped up and made that linebacking corps still
• 33:40
  significant.
• 33:41
  So that's who I'm going to take.
• 33:44
  Okay, so it's on you MJ.
• 33:45
  Do agree with one of us or have a third option and we'll have to vote?
• 33:49
  picked, I picked Verisuk.
• 33:51
  never thought about that as a rookie.
• 33:53
  a note saying rookie magic.
• 33:56
  Yeah, and he has played really well.
• 34:00
  Yes.
• 34:00
  Sorry GT, I'm jumping over with MJ.
• 34:02
  We're gonna go varicide.
• 34:04
  I don't think he's played well enough to be the best linebacker, to be the, you know, the all-star linebacker in the league.
• 34:09
  I think he's got a shot at rookie, but I don't think he should be the all-star linebacker in the league.
• 34:14
  So, okay, but that's who we're going with.
• 34:17
  That's who we're going with, if I can find Hamilton Tigercats on my other screen here.
• 34:21
  Okay, Defensive Lineman.
• 34:24
  I said Betts
• 34:27
  The way he's come on lately, maybe, yeah.
• 34:30
  I think, I don't think that there's a real question in this issue.
• 34:35
  There's a lot of good linemen, but I think Hutchings is, the way he's played is, yeah.
• 34:40
  that I've had on mind list too.
• 34:43
  Again, the way he started out the year, the way he just controlled that line and the drop off in the one game he wasn't there just shows that, I think he's the player.
• 34:55
  Okay.
• 34:56
  And Betts has been great in the last three games, but I don't think he had a great start to the season.
• 35:00
  So I wouldn't give him again.
• 35:02
  So that's the reason I didn't go for him.
• 35:05
  How about you, MJ?
• 35:07
  you said already.
• 35:08
  You said Betts yes, all right.
• 35:09
  My brain ain't working the way that it should.
• 35:11
  So now we're on to the defense of backs.
• 35:14
  DB, okay.
• 35:15
  I had Katsantonis Yeah, for the same reason that I had Hutchins.
• 35:21
  He's just, he's been such a key player and you've seen the drop off when he's not there on the entire defense.
• 35:29
  So I have Casatonis.
• 35:31
  Yeah, same reasons.
• 35:33
  it is.
• 35:34
  I would just for the record, I would have been maybe a homer with this other fellow in my brain, because I would still have gone with Milligan.
• 35:41
  He's, despite giving up a touchdown this weekend, he's had another hell of a season.
• 35:46
  Anyway, or maybe...
• 35:48
  I thought he was injured for a little bit too.
• 35:50
  Was he not early in the middle of the season?
• 35:52
  Did he miss a couple of games?
• 35:54
  Or am I mistaken?
• 35:55
  good.
• 35:55
  Yeah, the other one you could talk about a Saskatchewan would be Campbell who has missed a couple of games, but I think he's leading the league in interceptions right now.
• 36:03
  Yeah, that's the and I tried to take I tried to take games played and injuries into the account on all of my picks.
• 36:11
  And I thought and I looked at Milligan and but I thought he'd been injured.
• 36:14
  I guess I'm mistaken.
• 36:16
  But I still think I still think has a tonus has just been been more important to his team this year.
• 36:23
  So I would pick Kazak.
• 36:24
  yeah, I can't argue with that.
• 36:26
  I have to give you that.
• 36:27
  I, like I said, I could be wrong too.
• 36:28
  don't, I think Milligan missed like half of a game, was injured in early and late in the second half or or late in the second quarter or early in the third and was out for that.
• 36:38
  But came back the following week.
• 36:39
  I think we'd have to check.
• 36:41
  Anyway, offensive lineman.
• 36:44
  Okay, this is why I say, Revenberg, Bo has not been injured yet.
• 36:49
  Yeah.
• 36:50
  Yeah
• 36:52
  This is a tough one to pick.
• 36:54
  All right.
• 36:56
  My argument is this, I'm going with 410 in Calgary.
• 37:00
  As a rookie, he started every single game at center.
• 37:04
  He's not been injured.
• 37:05
  Their sack rate has been really low.
• 37:07
  They say along the offensive line, the center is the captain.
• 37:11
  He has to call all the plays.
• 37:12
  He has to keep track of all the defenses.
• 37:15
  He has to do all that stuff.
• 37:17
  As a rookie, that's an incredible position to be in.
• 37:21
  So that's the reason I'm going with him.
• 37:22
  And in fact, he's going to be my rookie of the year candidate for Calgary when it comes to All-Star.
• 37:27
  Okay, well one of us is going to have to give on this one because again this maybe sounds like a Homer pick but I've been watching the games and I've seen what Hardrick's been
• 37:36
  doing all year and what a difference it's made having him in there as opposed to last year when he was out.
• 37:43
  And that's basically what my argument is is that when he's in there the running game works he's
• 37:50
  He's good against the pass but he also, he just brings so much intangibles in leadership and the enthusiasm he brings and everything like that.
• 37:58
  So we'll throw it up there and then we may have to vote for his vote.
• 38:03
  But is anybody willing to change over any of those right off the start?
• 38:08
  I don't super care, so I'm happy to jump over to GT's pick.
• 38:12
  Okay, so then we go to 410.
• 38:15
  And I wouldn't jump over to yours old man only because I don't like Hardrick the way he's played.
• 38:21
  I thought he's been cheap and chippy all year.
• 38:24
  Okay, let's see, let me find Calgary here.
• 38:29
  Okay, Fortin That brings us to running back.
• 38:33
  There's a lot of good running backs this year, but I think there's still an obvious choice if you ask me.
• 38:38
  I don't think anyone touches what Brady does out there.
• 38:41
  He's just so bloody consistent.
• 38:43
  He's always moving forward.
• 38:46
  He's never stopped, or I can probably count on one hand, fingers in one hand, number of times I've seen him stop behind the line.
• 38:53
  And even if he's hit at the one or two, he gets four.
• 38:56
  So I don't think there's anybody that's matching up to him.
• 39:01
  I had James Butler.
• 39:02
  And to be honest with you, I just thought he's had a tremendous year.
• 39:05
  He's had a bounce back year after a couple of bad years in Hamilton.
• 39:10
  And he's a receiver as well as a blocker, as well as a runner.
• 39:14
  And he's just an overall threat.
• 39:17
  So I had James Butler as my pick.
• 39:20
  I had Mills slash Brady because I couldn't pick.
• 39:25
  So yeah, Brady it is.
• 39:30
  and I don't have a big issue with going with Brady so.
• 39:33
  Yeah, yeah.
• 39:34
  On all of these, I struggle with...
• 39:37
  I can make cases for a few players, as you should be able to in professional football.
• 39:42
  And I know Brady's not leading the league anymore, but as you said with Butler, well, and you know, and some others, he's also...
• 39:50
  he picks up a lot of stuff out of the backfield.
• 39:52
  He's been half of Winnipeg's offense in some games this year.
• 39:56
  he's at the biggest impact.
• 39:59
  All right.
• 39:59
  Wide receivers.
• 40:01
  How many do we pick?
• 40:02
  wasn't sure about this, just one?
• 40:03
  one.
• 40:04
  We get one of each position.
• 40:06
  Okay.
• 40:07
  Kenny Lawler.
• 40:08
  He get even when he even when he has a bad game like he did on the weekend.
• 40:12
  He still has a bad game because they're triple covering him.
• 40:16
  And when he got when they're not triple covering him, he's having a great game.
• 40:20
  And early on before they figured out you had to triple cover him.
• 40:23
  He was running amok.
• 40:25
  So I still think he's the best receiver in the league.
• 40:28
  And it may be the coverages that are getting on him, but he has, I feel like in the last while he's dropped off in some, I mean, he makes these catches that are supposed to be
• 40:41
  uncatchable and they're spectacular, but he's stopped making some of those now, which makes me kind of wonder a bit.
• 40:46
  And I think the, to me, the best receiver this year is someone who's kind of snuck along and he gets mentioned with the top, but nobody says,
• 40:56
  look, this is the leading wide receiver in the league in Keon Hatcher.
• 41:01
  And he's been reliable and maybe not the touchdowns that Lawler's got, but he's been reliable and open far more than, But as they say, he's 7'11", he's open all night.
• 41:11
  I had her slow.
• 41:13
  That's another good one.
• 41:16
  But again, four or five games makes it harder for me to...
• 41:20
  I was gonna say Hardy as well, because he's that lone bright star on the red blocks this year.
• 41:26
  and you know, I've championing Hardy all year, so I'm with you.
• 41:30
  just, again, I'll just go back, and Hurslow, I'm with old man.
• 41:34
  Unfortunately, he's not, you know, that's where the lack of, he just wasn't playing the first half of the season.
• 41:39
  So I don't think he can be.
• 41:42
  I have amnesia from the first half of the season, I feel like.
• 41:44
  It was forever ago.
• 41:46
  What have you done lately?
• 41:48
  Guys.
• 41:50
  and I think Keon Hatcher has had a tremendous year as well.
• 41:55
  Again, I just think he doesn't affect the game the way that Lawler affects the other team's defense overall and how they have to do.
• 42:09
  They talked about it on the weekend with with Keondre Smith and just said that he's getting all of those passes because
• 42:17
  Lawler's getting like sucking up all the deep guys and that's the reason he's had all the those those passes in the middle that he's turned into touchdowns and so on So I just
• 42:26
  again that would be the reason I go for lawler still over a guy like like hatcher
• 42:33
  Yeah.
• 42:34
  Yeah.
• 42:34
  in the threat of you or in the actuality of you?
• 42:39
  Or a little bit of both?
• 42:40
  Well, I'll give Kenny the fact that he does have both, but given that you've been championing Hardy and you said maybe Hardy and I could live with Hardy, how about if we go
• 42:50
  with him?
• 42:50
  So we're going to go with Hardy?
• 42:51
  Wow.
• 42:56
  Yeah.
• 42:57
  Someone in Ottawa is happy.
• 42:59
  Yeah.
• 43:02
  Hey, well, at this point, let's see, we have two tiger cats, two lions, two bombers, two stampeters, and a red-black.
• 43:14
  So we don't have the aloettes, the argos, or the argos, elks, or riders represented.
• 43:22
  But that's okay too.
• 43:23
  Cause we're in Big Dog now, the quarterback, so.
• 43:26
  This is a really tough one to me.
• 43:29
  Yeah, it was, you know, it's, only tough for me because I hate to make the pick.
• 43:34
  Not because he probably deserves it, but just because I hate to make the pick.
• 43:39
  And I, that's of course is I've got to go for Trevor Harris.
• 43:42
  He's the only quarterback that's been consistent all year and has missed one game and has not had, and has not had other than maybe on the weekend where I don't know what he was
• 43:52
  doing.
• 43:53
  you know, not had the big swings like Bo has had a better year, but had the big swings up and down.
• 43:59
  And I haven't seen that from Harris.
• 44:01
  So, so, you know, as I say, I'm not a fan.
• 44:05
  I'm not a believer.
• 44:06
  But right now, if I would have to give him the nod.
• 44:10
  Yeah.
• 44:11
  How about you, MJ?
• 44:12
  Well, if I have amnesia, I'm gonna pick Rourke.
• 44:15
  I think he's he's coming along really nice.
• 44:19
  If I'm gonna go overall, I don't think Beau's doing playing well lately, but I think overall he's probably played one of the best.
• 44:27
  Yeah, he's playing really well, so that's who I'd pick for overall, but I think Nathan's coming in hot for the last little bit here.
• 44:33
  Yeah.
• 44:34
  And see what keeps me away from Nathan is that he's looked great the last three games, but it's took a while.
• 44:40
  And so if you're looking at consistent across the season and then if you go from, from that, that knocks a lot of other quarterbacks out of contention just because of all the
• 44:49
  injuries that we've got this year.
• 44:51
  So, you know, even, and VA would be in there, but he's had a few
• 44:56
  tough games of this lately.
• 44:58
  So it really to me it comes down to Bo and Harris and and they both had some off outings but I think overall Harris has been more consistent and more steady.
• 45:08
  So okay Harris is that.
• 45:10
  So we get a rider in there.
• 45:12
  What do you know?
• 45:13
  Okay where's my save button now?
• 45:17
  Vote now.
• 45:18
  There we go.
• 45:19
  Oh and you know what?
• 45:20
  Apparently we could have done that again because you're allowed to vote three times.
• 45:24
  But we're not going to.
• 45:25
  So next week we pick the B team.
• 45:28
  Yeah.
• 45:29
  uh
• 45:30
  and then the practice squad.
• 45:32
  well, okay, so maybe we should do a team.
• 45:35
  Maybe we should do an injured team.
• 45:38
  All the the best players that are currently on the various teams injury list.
• 45:45
  Yeah, on the injured list or I've spent a good chunk of time on it.
• 45:48
  You know, I've been six games or something.
• 45:50
  Yeah, it could be.
• 45:51
  have to be on the sixth game list, not just on the one game.
• 45:54
  You have to be on every team's sixth game list currently.
• 45:57
  I think that would be a fun.
• 45:58
  Yeah, yeah, maybe we do that.
• 46:00
  Let's let's think about it.
• 46:01
  Yes.
• 46:03
  Alrighty, so that takes us though into the actual games and and what happened this weekend and I gotta say it I I think I posted on blue sky to me the weekend was a bit of a dud up
• 46:15
  until about four minutes into the second half of the very last game between the riders and the the Elks and then it got exciting but the other three games I honestly felt like
• 46:26
  halfway through the second quarter I knew who was gonna win them and you know BC and Toronto ended up being a little bit close but it just never felt like it was gonna go
• 46:34
  anywhere so let's start with the first one which was Calgary went into Montreal and got beat Montreal 38 Calgary 20 you want to tell us about this GT
• 46:46
  Well, two things, the offense couldn't stay on the field and the defense couldn't get off the field.
• 46:51
  And that pretty much sums up the Calgary game.
• 46:54
  On the Montreal side, Davis Alexander came back and was hot as a pistol and looked like the guy again that we all said he was going to be early in the year.
• 47:04
  And the reason that Montreal all of a sudden is now back in contention, not only for first place, but for the Grey Cup, like we talked about early in the year.
• 47:12
  So I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're
• 47:15
  in both in first place in the East and in the Grey Cup, like we talked about earlier in the year.
• 47:20
  I would also like to talk about one thing, and it may sound like Homerism on this part, but I thought the officiating over the weekend in all games was not great.
• 47:30
  And I thought in this game in particular, it was horrible from penalties that got called against Calgary.
• 47:36
  I thought Calgary got robbed at least three times on penalties that were ridiculous.
• 47:43
  absolutely ridiculous.
• 47:45
  There was one, let me see, bad call on the roughing the passer Devine Scott Bailey, Bailey Scott went in perfectly timed that on a blitz that was coming from out of the nowhere and
• 47:58
  just perfectly timed it went low to avoid a helmet to helmet and then Alexander ducks and ends up getting uh a slight knock on the head.
• 48:08
  because there's no way that Scott could stop and that becomes a roughing the passer that becomes a first down for instead of a huge sack.
• 48:17
  And that was just atrocious.
• 48:18
  Even at the halftime, the panel said it was a bad call and they need to fix that type of thing.
• 48:24
  So that one just ticked me off.
• 48:27
  Yeah, let, let...
• 48:28
  got caught on the hot mic?
• 48:29
  That could be it.
• 48:31
  Yeah, I think that was when they were just letting Dave just rant away on the hot mic.
• 48:37
  Yeah.
• 48:37
  Well, it's he had a right to be angry.
• 48:39
  That's when to me that they this year, they said the rule is it's not roughing the passer if there's mitigating circumstances.
• 48:46
  And I got to agree with you, GT.
• 48:49
  Alexander bent basically in half, bent double his helmet was at his knee level.
• 48:55
  You you couldn't have hit him without either hitting his helmet or below the knees.
• 49:00
  So.
• 49:01
  and then V.A.
• 49:02
  got his helmet ripped off and that wasn't a penalty.
• 49:05
  second.
• 49:06
  So don't talk about it's not just a penalty.
• 49:09
  Plus, they called the play dead so he couldn't even get the first down.
• 49:13
  Then they didn't give him the yardage, which would have been the first down.
• 49:17
  And then they didn't call a penalty on it when he got his helmet ripped off.
• 49:22
  how can it not be?
• 49:24
  when he was still behind the line of scrimmage on top of that, not when he was already past the line of scrimmage and was a runner.
• 49:30
  He was still a quarterback behind the line of scrimmage.
• 49:32
  That was equally ridiculous.
• 49:34
  um
• 49:36
  Well.
• 49:36
  think that VA is not top tier quarterback in the replay center's mind anymore.
• 49:42
  Yeah.
• 49:42
  Well, there is that, but I'll let you rant again, GT, but I'm going to disagree on this one because what I saw on that play is that it wasn't a...
• 49:54
  I didn't see anything that was a direct hit to the head.
• 49:57
  If you're going to call the Divine Scott penalty, then the one to VA should have been a penalty if it's anywhere near something like that.
• 50:03
  But I think under the way the rules written, that got...
• 50:06
  called right in that it wasn't an actual hit to the head, the helmet was kind of pulled up and lifted off as the play was going along and at that point you got to whistle it dead
• 50:15
  for player safety.
• 50:17
  lifted off of his head?
• 50:19
  to the head, exactly.
• 50:20
  How did it get lifted off?
• 50:21
  You can only get lifted off if you hit his head.
• 50:24
  That was my point.
• 50:26
  hand or helmet or body part had to have pumped that off of his head.
• 50:31
  It just didn't fly off.
• 50:33
  exactly.
• 50:34
  and that's what I'm saying though, that yeah, you could, you could call for it, but I don't have a problem with that not being called because there are frankly, if you watch
• 50:42
  the game closely, there are a lot of times when the quarterback's head head gets brushed or nudged and unless it's challenged, doesn't get called.
• 50:50
  So it's just, I think that they've gone personally, I think they've gone too much the other way that that stuff where it's any touch to of the helmet is.
• 50:58
  is off of that and if you're that worried about it like I said before do the guardian caps but just a difference of how we see it.
• 51:05
  Yeah, no, that's a different, that's a whole different thing.
• 51:09
  I don't disagree with you that they are going a little bit too much on it.
• 51:13
  But the reality is, given the way the plays are called now, when someone's helmet gets taken off, two weeks ago, the entire Prophets of Saskatchewan was about to burn down the
• 51:24
  rest of the country because of A.J.
• 51:26
  Ouellette getting his helmet ripped off.
• 51:28
  It's the same thing.
• 51:30
  There was no penalty then, there should have been a penalty there.
• 51:33
  That was a complete face mask, but we didn't get to see how that happened on the weekend.
• 51:38
  But it was certainly, it was behind the line of scrimmage.
• 51:42
  as MJ said, your helmet doesn't come off by itself.
• 51:46
  So somebody took it off.
• 51:48
  And so therefore, and I can understand why they stopped the play.
• 51:53
  I'm just saying that should have been a penalty.
• 51:55
  There should have been a penalty called on that.
• 51:58
  And then later on, the third instance was Mack was clearly out of bounds on that long catch.
• 52:04
  The hand with his foot was clearly on the line and the official on the broadcast, you could hear the sideline officials as they came close, the one official said, I got
• 52:16
  nothing.
• 52:16
  I couldn't see it in other words.
• 52:18
  I got nothing.
• 52:19
  So that immediately says to me that they didn't see the play.
• 52:23
  which immediately says it should be reviewed.
• 52:25
  If the officials can't make a call, then they should ask for a review so it should have been called because on the replay, he was clearly out of bounds.
• 52:34
  And again, I'm sorry, it sounds like, but those were just three really bad calls against the same team and it shouldn't happen.
• 52:42
  It shouldn't happen.
• 52:43
  Did it impact the game score?
• 52:46
  Probably not, because Calgary wasn't playing well, but nonetheless.
• 52:50
  This certainly didn't help that they had three really, really bad calls go against.
• 52:57
  Also, the stadium miking in this stadium is wild.
• 53:01
  You cannot mic out, but you can.
• 53:05
  This is the stadium where I hear sideline officials a lot, where Dave Dickinson was throwing f-bombs about the league and about Toronto Replay Centre and f-this and f-that.
• 53:15
  And TSN just left that camera on him, letting him rant up and down the sidelines.
• 53:19
  And then you can hear the referees.
• 53:22
  And it's, I'm like, what goes on in Percival Stadium?
• 53:26
  Like, what happens in the stadium?
• 53:28
  It's some sort of weird sound vortex.
• 53:33
  Yeah, I love it.
• 53:35
  I love it.
• 53:36
  But yeah, that was pretty bad.
• 53:38
  My hot take is this, if we're talk quarterback safety and all these nonsense calls and is it a hit or not, why don't we just do what flag football does and you have one rusher that
• 53:48
  starts from 10 yards back and they're the only ones that can hit the quarterback behind the line of scrimmage.
• 53:52
  Once the quarterback's passed the line of scrimmage, she's fair game, but behind the line there's only one person who can hit him and then you have eyes on one person.
• 53:59
  They have like this same thing as flag they have they have all what we're changing rules anyway old man So just have like one player who's got a free run at the quarterback
• 54:08
  basically they got time to they start ten yards back unblocked ten ten yards back So you have some time?
• 54:14
  Quarterback can still scramble once they're past the line their free play But then maybe we will cut down on things like this and then VA's helmet wouldn't get ripped off behind
• 54:22
  the line of scrimmage
• 54:24
  Yeah, well there's there.
• 54:25
  OK, so we have we have the rule change for next week for M.J.
• 54:31
  about ones.
• 54:31
  I'm still working on that.
• 54:33
  We're saving that.
• 54:36
  Yeah.
• 54:39
  Well, I gotta say, you've covered off an awful lot of the stuff that I took note of.
• 54:44
  There were a couple of things that I did just wanna mention, and I didn't get a time in the game when this happened, unfortunately, because I'd like to refer people back to it.
• 54:51
  But I thought that there was just...
• 54:54
  Timing of everything, there was an exceptional play by Adi Adamami-Berglund, who I can never pronounce his name properly anyway.
• 55:02
  They sent him on a bit of a stunt where he ended up coming inside a bit on a play where the stamps were decided they were going to run like three fakes on it.
• 55:11
  They faked the handoff and the reverse and something else.
• 55:14
  And then by the time VA turned around, Berglund was right in his face.
• 55:19
  And that was just a very well-run play.
• 55:22
  good timing and everything.
• 55:24
  enjoyed the, since we don't get to see Trey anymore, I enjoyed the bit of VA magic in the end zone where the snap went, I think it was the snap went wild and he ended up having to
• 55:35
  go into the end zone and pick it up and scramble around through the end zones and ended up completing, I think about 30 or 35 yards downfield to Rhymes.
• 55:43
  uh
• 55:46
  yards for a touchdown too.
• 55:49
  Yeah.
• 55:50
  where it looked like everybody's waiting for him to slide it looked like every single thought he was gonna go down and he just juked them and kept going so that was
• 55:58
  Yep.
• 55:59
  And the other only couple of things, Maltos strangely enough, who's been very good with three for five.
• 56:04
  So he said, not a good weekend for kickers.
• 56:07
  And hey, Jason Moss made a great challenge too.
• 56:11
  He actually trusted his eyes and went for something that was there rather than something he wished was there.
• 56:16
  So congratulations, Moss.
• 56:20
  And to counterpoint my complete Homerism, I will say that I did think Philpott was offside on his touchdown.
• 56:28
  I thought he was offside fairly large and they let him get away with it.
• 56:33
  But then right on the next Montreal touchdown, thought the Ramble was offside.
• 56:38
  So I thought it just balanced each other on both of their touchdowns.
• 56:41
  I thought they were both offside by a couple of yards, but whatever.
• 56:45
  It's hard to tell for television sometimes.
• 56:47
  yeah, it is.
• 56:48
  I remember they used to joke about it and I sometimes get a chance to see some of the old games and Ray Elgard, talked about that.
• 56:55
  Two yards offside every play, you'd swear it was, but never got called.
• 57:00
  I don't know how he, just amazing.
• 57:03
  Anyway, I'm gonna jump on to, you got one more?
• 57:07
  Okay.
• 57:08
  I just want to talk about his triumphant return.
• 57:11
  A lot of his teammates came in, they were wearing their white tank tops.
• 57:15
  They wore their white tank tops together.
• 57:17
  And this guy, like, there was no rust on him, huh?
• 57:22
  In it to win it.
• 57:23
  And I just laughed because he got that roughing call.
• 57:27
  And I was like, what did he say?
• 57:30
  What was happening?
• 57:31
  I wish they'd shown that.
• 57:33
  things to not hop mic on this in this stadium.
• 57:35
  And um Bergland gave like that very impassioned speech after that.
• 57:39
  I don't think that reporter knew what hit her.
• 57:41
  But then he said sorry at the end.
• 57:42
  So was very Canadian of him.
• 57:45
  I didn't catch the speeches.
• 57:46
  I'll have to go back and see that one.
• 57:49
  Okay, cool.
• 57:50
  it's...
• 57:51
  Sorry, what was I going to...
• 57:53
  you mentioned the Alexander Rust Strangely enough, my note said, Alexander started a little rusty, but shook it off quickly.
• 58:00
  I felt like the first couple of drives, you could tell he wasn't quite what he was, but had been before, but he came back, I thought anyway.
• 58:08
  Yeah, that's pretty much all that there though, so putting them to bed.
• 58:13
  All right.
• 58:14
  Game two, Toronto 22 at BC 37.
• 58:18
  Either you guys want to take the lead telling us about this or?
• 58:23
  Well, I thought you summed it up earlier when you said they were overall the weekend was just kind of like, yeah.
• 58:29
  And I thought this game was too.
• 58:30
  It was back and forth, but BC kind of had it in control.
• 58:34
  Somehow it felt like they did at least for the entire game.
• 58:38
  And the only thing that I found interesting was all the shenanigans as they tried to go, both teams tried to go into, into for touchdowns and there was penalty after penalty back
• 58:46
  and forth.
• 58:47
  And it was like,
• 58:47
  What are you guys doing?
• 58:49
  You know, it took like six, seven plays to make a, to get a touchdown from the one yard line because they kept going back and forth and back and forth.
• 58:56
  Uh, so that was the most interesting part of the game pretty much other than the sluka.
• 59:01
  thought the sluka, interception and then the pitch back to McFadden.
• 59:05
  thought that was a great play on his behalf, knowing that there was somebody there.
• 59:08
  If they had to turn it into a 15 or 20 yarders instead of getting tackled right away, it would have been an outstanding play.
• 59:15
  So yeah.
• 59:18
  But you got MJ.
• 59:19
  Well, I was away for this game.
• 59:22
  I got home in the fourth quarter, but my husband was sending me a text that it was a kick or shoot-em-out.
• 59:29
  He's like, I'm trying to stay awake and it's a kick or shoot-em-out with a million and a half penalty yards.
• 59:35
  I came back in the fourth and I saw like, it was like an NBA game where there was just flags in the last, like just flags, constant flags near the end.
• 59:45
  Macklehorn only had 14 yards rushing.
• 59:47
  I thought this was gonna be such a shoot-em-out game.
• 59:49
  was like Arbuckle and Rourke, thought for sure this would be such a high flyer and it was not.
• 59:55
  I just had to note Boss, number 51 from the Argos.
• 59:58
  I am surprised they even let him get onto the team bus.
• 1:00:02
  I thought for sure, I thought for sure Dinwoodie was going to like just tell him to stay.
• 1:00:08
  Yeah, I thought for sure, I thought ba-
• 1:00:10
  I bad.
• 1:00:11
  He just, I couldn't, it looked like he was getting outworked and then he started making sloppy mistakes.
• 1:00:17
  Like he was getting outworked all night.
• 1:00:19
  uh
• 1:00:20
  he was playing out of position.
• 1:00:21
  He was playing as a tackle and he's normally a guard.
• 1:00:25
  And so I think that makes a difference, a huge difference as we saw in Calgary last, the week before that when they had to do the same thing.
• 1:00:32
  you know, when you're going up against a guy like Betts when you're playing out of position, that's really tough as a second year player.
• 1:00:38
  I actually had him on my list of players I'd like to trade for.
• 1:00:42
  So he was, you know, he's...
• 1:00:44
  Ryan will give him a free pass for that.
• 1:00:46
  uh Nathan Rorick wrote, sorry, go ahead.
• 1:00:51
  was just gonna say, don't forget he was also starting the game at 10 o'clock his time.
• 1:00:54
  So getting a little tired and worn down at the end is maybe excusable.
• 1:00:59
  Rourke walked into that game wearing his radically Canadian shirt.
• 1:01:04
  He met with the commissioner.
• 1:01:05
  We didn't talk about this in the news, but he met with the commissioner and basically Rourke was just like, my opinion has not changed and rolled in with his radically Canadian
• 1:01:14
  shirt.
• 1:01:15
  And he was on a mission.
• 1:01:17
  Like there was a play where he was caught in the backfield and he plowed through like a
• 1:01:21
  Brady to get his first down and he was not going away without a doubt.
• 1:01:26
  think he had a lot, I talked about someone who had pressure, he had a lot of pressure to win and perform well after what happened this week and he did it.
• 1:01:34
  yeah, that was impressive.
• 1:01:37
  We said at the start of the year that BC and Calgary, to do well for both of them, the quarterbacks would pretty much have to take the team on their back and carry them.
• 1:01:47
  And now Calgary, was a little easier for VA because their defense improved in ways that I certainly wasn't expecting.
• 1:01:53
  But it is still true that you look at them when either of those quarterbacks is not having a great game, they're...
• 1:02:01
  good to mediocre teams, when those quarterbacks are on, either of those teams are unbeatable.
• 1:02:07
  Yeah, that play at the end of the game where Rourke did that play that you mentioned, MJ, he literally spun away when he was wrapped up by McManus of all people.
• 1:02:20
  Like he just, that was unbelievable.
• 1:02:22
  I've never seen McManus get ragdoll like that.
• 1:02:25
  That was incredible, just incredible.
• 1:02:27
  yeah, yeah, it was something else.
• 1:02:31
  And what you said about penalties, I realized I hadn't looked at what they were, but I had the same impression.
• 1:02:35
  So yeah, I just looked at it.
• 1:02:36
  Toronto, 11 for 134 yards, BC 10 for 119 yards.
• 1:02:43
  yeah, neither of them was helping themselves at all with what they were doing.
• 1:02:47
  The other thing that I thought was nice was BC when they're back to I think about on their eight and got that.
• 1:02:54
  I think it was almost a 50 yard pass downfield to Hatcher and quite nice.
• 1:03:00
  And I made the note of the fact that he might've scored if it wasn't for a nice tackle by Berryhill, who was the other receiver downfield with him.
• 1:03:07
  I don't know if you remember that one, but kind of a collide went there.
• 1:03:10
  But yeah, I thought the score.
• 1:03:12
  didn't reflect the game.
• 1:03:14
  I thought BC pretty much dominated it.
• 1:03:17
  And what you were saying about Saks MJ, that's three of them.
• 1:03:21
  So nine in the last three games after four all season up till then.
• 1:03:27
  So I don't know if he's just turned on a motor or if they've changed up their blocking or their attack schemes or what.
• 1:03:33
  Well, two against two guards playing tackle in the last two games and two of them and both of them being rookies or second year players.
• 1:03:45
  So that helps.
• 1:03:48
  It doesn't explain all of it, but it certainly helps.
• 1:03:52
  And I'm not taking anything away from Betts because I think he's a tremendous player.
• 1:03:57
  But I do think when you look at who he was playing against.
• 1:04:00
  Again, if he playing against Hardrick, I don't think he would have that kind of success.
• 1:04:06
  If was playing against the Montreal Line, I don't know necessarily he would have that kind of success.
• 1:04:11
  Yeah, I can see that.
• 1:04:13
  and Calgary's got both their starting tackles back in for this weekend coming up, don't they?
• 1:04:17
  So we'll see how he does there.
• 1:04:19
  But that was, I didn't have a whole lot more than that on that game.
• 1:04:22
  I don't know if either of you do.
• 1:04:25
  Well, I have something that just popped into this tiny little brain of mine concerning BC.
• 1:04:29
  And because we talked about it earlier in the pod, but when do the BC road games, because I know they're in Kelowna and Langford, and I know you've talked about the two teams, but
• 1:04:41
  when are they?
• 1:04:42
  When are the dates?
• 1:04:45
  here's the interesting thing I just thought of.
• 1:04:49
  Is one of them, because of the timing of the World Cup,
• 1:04:53
  is one of them technically going to be BC's first home game?
• 1:04:58
  That's a good question.
• 1:05:00
  I've just pulled up and touched down Kelowna here because I heard there was also a game in Langford though.
• 1:05:07
  So there must be doing three of them.
• 1:05:08
  OK.
• 1:05:09
  Oh no, one of them's in line for a tour in Kelowna, because they have to do three games.
• 1:05:13
  Langley?
• 1:05:14
  let's see.
• 1:05:15
  Langford and Kelowna two games.
• 1:05:18
  When is World Cup?
• 1:05:20
  Man, it's a bit of a...
• 1:05:21
  think that actually we won't know because the schedule isn't out yet.
• 1:05:26
  Right.
• 1:05:26
  Well, but they're out of the stadium.
• 1:05:28
  They're basically out of the stadium for all of June and all of July.
• 1:05:32
  That's pretty much how it works.
• 1:05:33
  doesn't matter what the schedule is for the soccer games.
• 1:05:36
  They're out of, from what I understand here in Toronto, they're out of the stadium for the entire months of June and July.
• 1:05:42
  So, I'm just curious.
• 1:05:44
  And the reason I'm curious is because if that's technically the first home game for the Lions, does Amar, does
• 1:05:54
  does Amar do the big concert in Langford or Kelowna or does he wait until he gets the first game back in BC because that yeah I would think he would.
• 1:06:11
  Yeah, no, World Cup's from June 11th to July 19th.
• 1:06:14
  That's what I was just looking up here, so yeah.
• 1:06:16
  Yeah, and no, they haven't got the dates up here yet, but that's a good point.
• 1:06:19
  That would be nice.
• 1:06:20
  I could take a nice.
• 1:06:21
  you're like, that'd be okay with me, but they were not gonna, like, if they're gonna have somebody like as big as Snoop Dogg again next year, they're gonna need a 50,000 person
• 1:06:31
  stadium.
• 1:06:32
  20,000 won't do it.
• 1:06:33
  on, you know what?
• 1:06:34
  M & M in Kelowna is going to be tremendous.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah.
• 1:06:38
  You think he would have been enticed him to come to Kelowna?
• 1:06:42
  Kendrick Lamar in Kelowna!
• 1:06:44
  No, no, no, it's going to be it's going to be M & M Absolutely.
• 1:06:51
  It follows the pattern perfectly.
• 1:06:54
  Okay, we heard it here first.
• 1:06:58
  Okay.
• 1:06:59
  sorry.
• 1:07:02
  And with that speculation, I think we'll move on.
• 1:07:06
  Game three.
• 1:07:08
  Yeah.
• 1:07:08
  I was going to say, can you get yourself through a short description of Hamilton three, Winnipeg 40?
• 1:07:18
  let me tell you guys, I have never been so happy to take my kid and his friends swimming halfway through a game in my entire life.
• 1:07:26
  I was like, I'll just I'll just keep track on the TSN app at the pool.
• 1:07:29
  So.
• 1:07:31
  I was really excited because Dusty and Lapo are my favorite combo for commentators, and was like, oh, it's gonna be such a great team like Dusty and Lapo, my faves.
• 1:07:40
  And you know, Ben Majors there speaking Ojibwe and I'm like, this is so great.
• 1:07:44
  So then the TSN turning point friends, here comes get ready.
• 1:07:49
  Vavle returns opening kickoff for touchdown.
• 1:07:54
  Game over.
• 1:07:55
  Game over.
• 1:07:57
  That was the TSN turning point.
• 1:07:59
  The Ti Cats are even lucky to have three points because that kick by Mark Legio was 54, 55 yards and it hit the upright and went through, hit the crossbar and just...
• 1:08:11
  have bounced out back out in front.
• 1:08:13
  Oh, I give my husband a lot of grief for the times that the Lions have been like, they put a zero on the scoreboard in last few years and I laugh at him and then my team just about
• 1:08:25
  did it.
• 1:08:27
  Against the bombers.
• 1:08:29
  Colaros looked good, Brady looked good.
• 1:08:32
  I think Lawler, they looked like they were really, like he went two for nine.
• 1:08:35
  I think they were really trying to force the ball to him.
• 1:08:38
  And I'm not quite sure why because they don't usually do that, but they were really, really pressing hard for him.
• 1:08:44
  I don't know it's cause they were playing his old team and you know, there was that drama saying that they signed, they talked to, was it Mitchell?
• 1:08:50
  think they talked to Mitchell before they talked to me.
• 1:08:51
  And so they were trying to make him have like this like great triumphant return, but it honestly just made him look worse.
• 1:08:59
  don't scheme for people's personal vendettas?
• 1:09:02
  Please don't.
• 1:09:03
  Please scheme for winning a game.
• 1:09:05
  That's like this is why I my kid that I tell my kid this all the time in sports.
• 1:09:09
  Do not you don't get even on the field you get even on the scoreboard.
• 1:09:13
  There's no reason to force the pass to him.
• 1:09:16
  So good job Bombers defense.
• 1:09:19
  Good job.
• 1:09:19
  Bothers offense.
• 1:09:20
  Sad, sad days.
• 1:09:22
  Beat on all three phases of the game.
• 1:09:25
  the bombers were on they they that was the best game Zach's had since the Western final last year when he looked in that kind of shape too and the bombers looked like the bombers
• 1:09:36
  from three or four years ago.
• 1:09:39
  So I I don't know where that came from.
• 1:09:42
  I had I had exactly the same thing for you.
• 1:09:45
  My first note was 12 seconds in and the game is over.
• 1:09:48
  That's how long it took for that return and
• 1:09:52
  basically that the same thing that I couldn't understand why they were forcing the deep balls to Lawler into what he was well covered on all of them and would have taken a
• 1:10:04
  spectacular catch so burn the tape game I guess.
• 1:10:08
  Yeah, I had the same thing pretty much.
• 1:10:12
  I thought, again, it was over when Vavel returned that kickoff.
• 1:10:17
  immediately I just thought, Winnipeg's finally replaced Jenarian Grant.
• 1:10:22
  They took him a while, but they found the guy, so they've got their new Jenarian Grant, except he can catch the ball and catch as a receiver as well.
• 1:10:29
  I thought Lawler dropped three passes that he should have caught, but he also had three taken away from him by that.
• 1:10:37
  at the last second by really good defensive plays.
• 1:10:40
  And then, you know, and then they forced a couple of more at him.
• 1:10:43
  it just, but I, wasn't his best game.
• 1:10:46
  And I felt like he had hometown yips, as I call it.
• 1:10:49
  It was like, yeah, he wanted to play in front of the crowd in Winnipeg and it just didn't, just didn't happen.
• 1:10:54
  So, the only other thing I want, I said about the game was, okay, the pictures for the quarterback, Lapo, we get it.
• 1:11:03
  Yeah.
• 1:11:04
  Yeah.
• 1:11:05
  enough.
• 1:11:06
  We get it.
• 1:11:06
  This is like three games in a row now where he's been talking about the quarterback sees the pictures and I'm like, okay, okay, we get it.
• 1:11:14
  So time to come up with something new.
• 1:11:17
  Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  Every, every one of those guys ends up having one or two things that they go to as, and it's, it's the same as any other job.
• 1:11:26
  If the boss comes around the corner, you suddenly have something you can do to look busy.
• 1:11:30
  If they run out of anything else, we can talk that.
• 1:11:34
  Anything else, or do we just put this one out of our memories?
• 1:11:39
  Yeah.
• 1:11:40
  And then the, so the last game.
• 1:11:43
  was Saskatchewan going into Edmonton and I thought Edmonton was doing better.
• 1:11:47
  I still thought Saskatchewan would win this one probably better than a field goal anyway.
• 1:11:53
  thought that in some ways they played well.
• 1:11:55
  You mentioned Baldonado, he had a hell of a game in starting with Ray out.
• 1:12:01
  I don't know if either of you have ever seen it before.
• 1:12:03
  The first Saskatchewan drive, we got to see a quarterback throw two interceptions on the same drives.
• 1:12:10
  yeah, which for anyone who missed it, he tossed one, I can't remember the player that got it, he tossed one downfield and a Joe, a Joe came back and stripped it so they got the
• 1:12:19
  ball back and the drive continued and two plays later he threw almost into that same spot.
• 1:12:25
  And I really think that's where...
• 1:12:29
  I see that as a bit of an artifact of stuff.
• 1:12:31
  If you look at the last two or three games, defenses have started to learn that Saskatchewan's game plan early is run the ball, you can stack up on that, hold them to two
• 1:12:41
  or three yards, and then I run a slant or a curl to get their yardage, and they keep going like that.
• 1:12:45
  So this last couple of games, not this one, but the last couple of games before this, the DBs were sitting up on that tight and they picked off Harris early and they came close to
• 1:12:54
  others.
• 1:12:56
  And I think what happened was,
• 1:12:58
  Saskatchewan said, okay, that's how we're being played.
• 1:13:00
  So they changed and they came up and they didn't start running the ball and they tried to go to the intermediate deep or intermediate throws right away.
• 1:13:08
  And the Edmonton linebackers were not playing tight.
• 1:13:11
  They had a good drop and he just Harris twice, didn't have a great game and threw it straight into coverage twice for that.
• 1:13:20
  We'll see how they come out later, but I think they have to figure out something a little more solid on what they want to do early.
• 1:13:26
  And then I'll, let me say this before anyone else goes on, because there's a lot to talk about, but in the end it wasn't, was, eh, the Elks started slow and the riders kept
• 1:13:34
  shooting themselves in the foot.
• 1:13:35
  So the first quarter, first half wasn't great.
• 1:13:37
  Then we got into the second half and it started picking up and picking up and Edmonton got themselves a good lead.
• 1:13:43
  And then with three minutes to go, they had a 12 point lead, which the riders scored a touchdown, took it down to a five point lead.
• 1:13:51
  The elk get a field goal on top of that.
• 1:13:53
  Now it's eight points.
• 1:13:55
  Riders come back.
• 1:13:56
  deep pass to the one-yard line with one second on the clock.
• 1:14:01
  They managed to get it, get the touchdown in, have to go for the two points to win and it was a side route that a Joe a Joe had, it was fairly obvious, he had to read the receiver
• 1:14:12
  and so did the quarterback whether they were going inside or outside.
• 1:14:15
  He read inside and Harris read outside and it looked like he just threw the ball away on the play and a lot of people that don't understand football were just disgusted with that
• 1:14:24
  but
• 1:14:24
  I understand how it happened completely.
• 1:14:26
  He's thrown to a spot and...
• 1:14:29
  Yeah, it was hard to tell who made the mistake, whether it was the receiver or whether it was Harris.
• 1:14:33
  One of them certainly wasn't where he was supposed to be.
• 1:14:36
  Either the ball or the receiver wasn't where he was supposed to be.
• 1:14:39
  oh
• 1:14:40
  those goal posts weren't in the way, we would be able to tell.
• 1:14:44
  Did you notice?
• 1:14:45
  Did you notice that every game over the weekend, they talked about the goalpost being in the way for the first time this year?
• 1:14:53
  It's never been a topic all year.
• 1:14:55
  And all of a sudden this weekend, every single game, they talked about the goalpost being in the way.
• 1:15:01
  Unbelievable
• 1:15:03
  as an aside, can't remember what game it was, but Kate was joking about how they're going to forward analysts instead of three and they all were joking about it and I was like, you
• 1:15:08
  know what, this is not actually very funny and a lot of people are really hurt and upset and it's not, please don't joke about this yet.
• 1:15:17
  It's not, yeah.
• 1:15:19
  great taste.
• 1:15:19
  The other thing I noticed is maybe it's just me and maybe it's the bias, but I felt like there was less of the sort of ubiquitous crowd shots between plays and stuff.
• 1:15:31
  And I wondered how much that had to do with the fact that there's this group concerned fans that were advocating what they called a blackout, which was don't boycott the team,
• 1:15:40
  but...
• 1:15:41
  go to the game wearing either a black shirt or tape over your CFL logos on the shirts and something like that would have been, I think, fairly good to see, but there weren't a lot
• 1:15:52
  of crowd shots.
• 1:15:52
  were...
• 1:15:53
  on that.
• 1:15:54
  A.
• 1:15:54
  That's in poor taste to do on Truth and Reconciliation weekend so save it.
• 1:15:59
  Second, I'm wondering because I forgot to talk about this in the Montreal game but there's lot of reports about people's signs being confiscated at the gates in BC and in Montreal.
• 1:16:11
  Yep, I had heard that was the other part it was going to be that they weren't allowing negative signs in, which again, yeah, doesn't make me feel great about how they're doing
• 1:16:19
  this.
• 1:16:21
  But what about the game itself?
• 1:16:24
  Anything else to say?
• 1:16:26
  My power was out so I didn't actually get to watch this till about the third, end of the third fourth.
• 1:16:31
  So I just came, it sounds like I didn't miss a whole lot.
• 1:16:34
  I just have a note saying like, well, Hillare had a nice game for the Elks, I saw that.
• 1:16:40
  And the Elks almost blew it again at the end of a game.
• 1:16:45
  I couldn't believe it.
• 1:16:47
  I was
• 1:16:49
  Yeah, oh.
• 1:16:49
  they're so lucky that goal post was in the way and they got to win.
• 1:16:55
  Because I couldn't, they just let the riders just march down that field.
• 1:17:00
  just, ridiculous.
• 1:17:03
  I said at the end of the game I couldn't even be mad about them losing because that was just that was about at least 15 minutes of fantastic football and I called it my my little
• 1:17:16
  Fitbit heart rate monitor did go off in that last three minutes warning your heart rate seems unusually high and you appear to be immobile
• 1:17:24
  They left six points on the field because Lother missed two field goals.
• 1:17:30
  And I think he missed like one or two converts as well, I think.
• 1:17:34
  Did he miss a convert?
• 1:17:36
  But at least six points are on the ground.
• 1:17:39
  I was so worried about Edmonton's kicking game at the beginning of the year and it should have been the riders I was worried about.
• 1:17:45
  Yeah, I have to agree with that.
• 1:17:46
  And the other thing is the Edmonton old line held up better this time.
• 1:17:50
  There was only three sacks for the riders and that's low for that team.
• 1:17:54
  one of my notes was word for word, Alco line still sucks.
• 1:17:58
  I thought they were bad.
• 1:18:00
  I thought they were, I thought they were bad.
• 1:18:02
  only had, they sure they had three sacks, but I thought there was a lot of pressure over the game.
• 1:18:06
  So I just thought Saskatchewan did everything to throw, to give the game away.
• 1:18:11
  I mean, they were bound, as I put it, they were bound to determine not to score.
• 1:18:15
  They did, like they got all the way down to the 15 after those ridiculousness on that first drive.
• 1:18:21
  They got all the way down to the 15 and then fumbled and Edmonton got the ball back.
• 1:18:25
  You know, it was just like, then they missed the field goal.
• 1:18:28
  Then it was like, come on, they're doing everything they can not to score.
• 1:18:32
  And then it was, yeah, so I just thought it was bizarro.
• 1:18:35
  The other thing I noticed early and then it was like Ajou Ajou on that play where he came back
• 1:18:43
  to knock the ball out of the guy's pants.
• 1:18:46
  I said, how is he able to be dressed like that?
• 1:18:48
  Where's that?
• 1:18:49
  That jersey's not, know, the way he's wearing it, that should be a penalty or he should be fined for a jersey infraction, a uh uniform infraction.
• 1:18:58
  And then I noticed as they came back in the third quarter, he had it fixed.
• 1:19:03
  So somebody must have spoken to him about it, which was interesting.
• 1:19:06
  um
• 1:19:07
  I, sorry, I didn't see that.
• 1:19:08
  What was going on with his jersey?
• 1:19:10
  he wears it.
• 1:19:11
  He had his jersey just below his pad so his abs were showing.
• 1:19:17
  Yeah.
• 1:19:18
  Yeah.
• 1:19:19
  Oh, well, sad I missed it.
• 1:19:23
  Yeah, and you're not allowed to do that anymore.
• 1:19:25
  Anyways, I thought the last three and half minutes, the four minutes were exciting.
• 1:19:30
  they said there's two down, they're down by 12 with four minutes left and you never know.
• 1:19:37
  And all of a sudden it was that four minutes was tremendously exciting.
• 1:19:40
  The rest of the game was not great.
• 1:19:42
  That's how I viewed it.
• 1:19:44
  But there was that weird turnover as well where the Riders got a turnover
• 1:19:48
  but it was whistled dead so there was no TD, but they still got the ball.
• 1:19:54
  I couldn't figure out how that worked.
• 1:19:57
  And they didn't do a great job on television to me explaining it.
• 1:20:00
  They just kind of said, that's the way it works.
• 1:20:02
  I was like, okay, so help me understand.
• 1:20:04
  How does it work with the balls?
• 1:20:06
  If the ball's dead, then it can't be a turnover.
• 1:20:09
  And if it's a turnover, then the ball shouldn't have been whistled dead.
• 1:20:13
  oh
• 1:20:15
  are they saying they whistled it after the turnover?
• 1:20:18
  So they got turned over, then they whistled it so then he wouldn't have been able to run with it.
• 1:20:23
  I think that's how I kind of figured it, but it didn't make sense, I agree.
• 1:20:29
  but it was what you said.
• 1:20:30
  The ball was out, he scooped it up, and as he started to run towards the goal line, the sideline official blew the play dead, which was a mistake on the official's part.
• 1:20:39
  But again,
• 1:20:40
  why doesn't, and they reviewed it, so why doesn't the review say that's a mistake?
• 1:20:45
  Touchdown.
• 1:20:46
  It should have been.
• 1:20:47
  override review the replay center?
• 1:20:50
  because once the whistle's gone, players are supposed to stop playing.
• 1:20:54
  So you can't say, well, it would have been a touchdown because maybe they would have caught him and tackled him and stuff.
• 1:21:00
  all that they do, it's the same as when VA's helmet came off there, whether you agree with the penalty or not.
• 1:21:05
  If there's not a penalty when his helmet came off, they have to whistle the play dead right there.
• 1:21:10
  This was an error.
• 1:21:11
  They shouldn't have whistled it dead.
• 1:21:12
  But when they did, you can't
• 1:21:15
  advance any yards from there.
• 1:21:16
  So yeah, like you said, it was questionable, officating aiding in all the games.
• 1:21:20
  there was a strange thing because here's another one that I questioned.
• 1:21:24
  Speaking of helmets, excuse me, in the Winnipeg game, there was a clear example of a player on Winnipeg's defense helmet coming off and still following the play and and going
• 1:21:37
  in to make the tackle in the scrum and no whistle and no penalty.
• 1:21:42
  Yeah.
• 1:21:43
  that too.
• 1:21:43
  That's...
• 1:21:44
  I...
• 1:21:45
  That's...
• 1:21:46
  happened the other night, after what happened on Friday, needless to say, I was not impressed, you know.
• 1:21:52
  because they went to NFL referee school or what?
• 1:21:55
  What's going on?
• 1:21:57
  I know.
• 1:21:59
  on them.
• 1:22:00
  But I, and I gotta tell you, yeah.
• 1:22:06
  about rule changes, they're all rattled too.
• 1:22:08
  And yeah, exactly.
• 1:22:09
  And the thing is, if you look around, if you go on some of the different, fans sites that are out there, subreddits and stuff like that, just about every team is complaining about
• 1:22:20
  the fact that, the refs cost us that game or the refs made it a lot harder for us.
• 1:22:24
  And you can make the cases from a lot of sides.
• 1:22:26
  But when I coached, well, actually this was my coach said this to me in the, in the first place and I coached it on.
• 1:22:32
  And that's the fact that
• 1:22:34
  If you've let the game be close enough that the refs can decide it with a call one way or the other, you haven't done your job.
• 1:22:40
  Just go out and win.
• 1:22:41
  Don't, don't leave it in play for them to do.
• 1:22:43
  So I'm okay with that.
• 1:22:45
  Yeah.
• 1:22:46
  Like I said, it's, and I, I would characterize the game a bit better, different than you did.
• 1:22:51
  GTI said this last one to me, it was up to half.
• 1:22:54
  It was about the same as the others.
• 1:22:56
  It picked up speed in that second half and got to be a better game.
• 1:23:00
  But if that had
• 1:23:02
  If it had gone on that way and maybe Saskatchewan got one garbage time touchdown and it ended then I would have said the whole weekend was a dud.
• 1:23:09
  It was very much that last four or five minutes, not just that the riders came back, but that the elk fought them off and got the field goal they needed to keep the lead again, on
• 1:23:19
  the, on the riders sites, I'm a lot of fans going, we got robbed with these calls and we didn't lose that or elk didn't win that game.
• 1:23:27
  We lost it.
• 1:23:28
  We gave it away.
• 1:23:29
  The elk get full measure for that score.
• 1:23:31
  For winning that.
• 1:23:33
  Yeah, they earned that.
• 1:23:35
  They made the big pass when I didn't think they could and they made it twice, right?
• 1:23:39
  So they did what they needed to do.
• 1:23:42
  I will say the writers did a really good job again of holding Rankin in check for most of the game.
• 1:23:48
  And again, it shows that if you can hold him in check, that offense is not the same.
• 1:23:54
  so, I called it in the Labor Day games, you just put us, you know,
• 1:23:59
  Normally you put a spy on your quarterback.
• 1:24:01
  I would just put a spy on him.
• 1:24:02
  I would just put a spy on him.
• 1:24:04
  I'd rather I would I think he'll beat you long before Cody will beat you so
• 1:24:08
  I have to agree with you.
• 1:24:10
  And I have to say, in some ways I'm kind of proud of how Coach Mase handled the loss.
• 1:24:16
  Because when I didn't hear all this stuff with him, the bit that I did here, he stayed his sort of positive stuff But unlike Dinwiddie, who earlier in the season was losing things
• 1:24:25
  and ranting and talking about the fact there's pretenders in the building and calling out the team there was none of that for Mase.
• 1:24:31
  But today, the safety who made all the mistakes isn't with the team anymore.
• 1:24:35
  So it's not a matter of saying what you're going to do, it's just going out there and quietly doing it.
• 1:24:39
  And that impresses me.
• 1:24:40
  Anything else?
• 1:24:41
  Are we done?
• 1:24:43
  We're done with all the games.
• 1:24:44
  Hey, okay.
• 1:24:45
  So let's see.
• 1:24:46
  That means we got only three games next week to talk about.
• 1:24:49
  Friday night, one game on Friday night, Saskatchewan at Ottawa.
• 1:24:53
  I've got to pick the Saskatchewan.
• 1:24:55
  I feel bad about it.
• 1:24:55
  Ottawa plays them good, but I've got to take them.
• 1:24:57
  Yeah, no, there's no reason that Ottawa should win that game.
• 1:25:00
  There just isn't.
• 1:25:01
  Saskatchewan is just a better team.
• 1:25:04
  So for these games I picked tarot cards to give me a give me a give me a vibe check on these so I'll just I'll tell you what the tarot card said about these games.
• 1:25:13
  So the riders got the chariot card which is the victor in inner drive and it's like run your own race and ignore the haters eye on the prize.
• 1:25:21
  The red flags got a reversed hangman which just says like they're putting in a lot of effort and not seeing a return on that effort so riders.
• 1:25:29
  Careful, you might get me believing in this stuff.
• 1:25:32
  So I take it you and the tarot pick Riders Okay then, game two, Hamilton at Toronto.
• 1:25:41
  Alright, go ahead GT.
• 1:25:44
  Yeah, this is a tough one.
• 1:25:45
  Only because one team needs it really bad and one team needs to rebound.
• 1:25:51
  So which team is able to do, know, which team is able to get it done?
• 1:25:56
  It's a, this is a real tough one.
• 1:25:58
  This is a really tough one.
• 1:25:59
  I, I, I'm going to go with Toronto.
• 1:26:01
  I just, I am going to go with Toronto.
• 1:26:03
  No, you know what?
• 1:26:04
  No, I'm not.
• 1:26:05
  I'm going with Hamilton.
• 1:26:06
  I think Hamilton will rebound.
• 1:26:08
  Yeah, I'm going with it.
• 1:26:09
  I'll jump in because I have a feeling who MJ may take and I'm going to be the contrarian.
• 1:26:14
  I think that Toronto, despite what happened in BC, overall the last few weeks Toronto has been playing better.
• 1:26:22
  And it's in Toronto, so I'm going to pick them.
• 1:26:25
  Alright, so for the Ticats they got the King of Pentacles which is Prosperity and Abundance.
• 1:26:32
  Opportunities are there if you're hardworking, open and earnest.
• 1:26:35
  The Argos got the Strength card which is physical and inner strength and you're dealing with challenging situations and you have the tools and you just need to use them.
• 1:26:44
  This kind of washed out, I pulled another card and it was the Wheel of Fortune card so anyone's guess.
• 1:26:51
  It just really confirmed the first two cards.
• 1:26:55
  So it agreed with us, yeah.
• 1:26:57
  like these, this is just like, so I'll just pick the Ti cats.
• 1:27:02
  Hahaha!
• 1:27:03
  I can't wait for the cards on these last ones because this is another one that I honestly don't know.
• 1:27:09
  Calgary in BC, the second game on Saturday.
• 1:27:12
  You want to wait for the cards or do you want to go on and...
• 1:27:17
  Alright!
• 1:27:18
  Let's, let's go.
• 1:27:19
  Okay, so the stamps got the star reversed.
• 1:27:22
  And so this is, I wrote actually quite a lot because this was a very telling card and I think it really shows kind of what's going on there.
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  So this is, the kind of overarching theme is uninspired and in the dark and adrift.
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  And they've lost sight of the path.
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  You say you were feeling inspired and now you feel overwhelmed by the tasks at hand.
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  It's a test of faith to see how far you're willing to go to overcome and see the vision through and.
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  like persevere through the darkness.
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  And the lions got the death card reversed.
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  So there is this fear, uncertainty and res...
• 1:27:53
  I think this one's for Rorick though.
• 1:27:55
  I think it's a Rourke specific.
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  It's like resisting change.
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  It's like certain...
• 1:27:59
  Certainty is giving off a false sense of security and accept change and move forward.
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  You'll be surprised to see what's next.
• 1:28:06
  Hmm.
• 1:28:08
  So.
• 1:28:08
  Yeah, so one team's kind of drifting and one team's a little stuck in gear, but I'll take Lions.
• 1:28:19
  Well, I'm going to use your cards to shore up my pick.
• 1:28:25
  Even though, I have to admit, I don't actually see much to tarot.
• 1:28:29
  But I'm going to take the whole bit about embracing change on it all to be the fact that, well, the change in the last little bit has been the Lions are trending up and Calgary's
• 1:28:38
  trending down.
• 1:28:39
  And frankly, at home, I will not be surprised if I'm wrong on this, but at home, I gotta take Nathan.
• 1:28:45
  in BC.
• 1:28:46
  Yeah, I don't know.
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  I have no idea why, but I just feel like it's a squeaker of a win for the Stampeters.
• 1:28:54
  It would not surprise me in the least.
• 1:28:56
  Yeah, no, and frankly to tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a shootout and not so much of a squeaker if they came up, you know, by 7-10 points, but it's just,
• 1:29:06
  it's so hard to tell.
• 1:29:08
  Yeah, they, I just, I don't know why.
• 1:29:10
  just feel like they're, they're getting, hopefully they're getting Markelle Lee back.
• 1:29:14
  And I think that's going to make a huge difference.
• 1:29:16
  I really think, I really think that their, their linebackers have not played up to par since he went down, they kind of were okay for a few games, but then it started to show.
• 1:29:27
  And, and I, yeah, I think he will, if he's able to come back and Dickinson said he practiced full, I think that's going to make a big difference.
• 1:29:35
  adding Maldon there, getting those two tackles back.
• 1:29:37
  I think it just adds up to, but I also think BC is really playing good football right now.
• 1:29:43
  So I think that's why I say it's going to be a squeaker.
• 1:29:46
  I don't know what the score will be, but I think it's going to be a squeaker and somehow I just feel Calgary is going to pull it out.
• 1:29:52
  Yeah, because if Calgary can get run stops with the front seven, that's a lot of what they were doing in the the first half of the season.
• 1:30:05
  And that left the DBs freer to concentrate on coverage.
• 1:30:10
  And it feels like what's changed is that running game has just opened up and that's now meaning you got to commit more people to it and that's hurt the back end too.
• 1:30:20
  I agree with you, one player there could make a significant difference and he did look good.
• 1:30:24
  And Calgary has a history of bringing in good linebackers.
• 1:30:28
  Okay.
• 1:30:29
  Well, there they are.
• 1:30:31
  Who knows?
• 1:30:31
  And I mean, the thing is, it's going to be, I'm sure.
• 1:30:36
  Yeah.
• 1:30:37
  Yeah.
• 1:30:37
  I think, I figure we're going to all end up going like one and two for the weekend or something.
• 1:30:42
  It's, don't know what it is this year.
• 1:30:43
  I've heard it's not us.
• 1:30:44
  It's everybody I listened to talking about this going, I'm under 50 % and pick up.
• 1:30:50
  I'm just over what's going on.
• 1:30:51
  Alrighty.
• 1:30:53
  Well, I guess that's about time to sign off then.
• 1:30:55
  Any closing thoughts and let people know where they can follow you?
• 1:30:59
  ah Only I can say I'm looking at the timer and we're under a hundred minutes.
• 1:31:04
  Whoa!
• 1:31:05
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• 1:31:08
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• 1:31:10
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• 1:31:17
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• 1:31:20
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• 1:31:25
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• 1:31:29
  Okay, good stuff.
• 1:31:31
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• 1:31:35
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• 1:31:40
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• 1:31:44
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• 1:31:52
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