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Zoolander with Kenice Mobley · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bechdelcast.
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  Speaker 2: The questions asked if movies have women and them, are
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  Speaker 2: all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they
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  Speaker 2: have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephy and Beast start changing
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  Speaker 2: with the Bechdel Cast.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Jamie, Hey, Caitlyn, the Bechdel Cast is so hot
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  Speaker 3: right now?
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  Speaker 1: Really tell me more?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's I have nothing else to say, just that
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  Speaker 3: it's really hot right now.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, good, good good. We need to make a living,
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so true, so true. Anyway, Hello, and welcome to
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  Speaker 3: the very hot Bechdel Cast right now.
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  Speaker 1: The sexiest Bechtel Cast yet.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, so freaking sexy.
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  Speaker 1: Unless oh, when Wilson enters the zoom and then we're
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  Speaker 1: in trouble. But then we'll become friends. Oh my god. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Zulander episode of the Bechdel Cast. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Jamie Loftus, my.
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  Speaker 3: Name is Caitlyn Deronte. This is our show where we
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  Speaker 3: examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel
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  Speaker 3: test as a jumping off point. But Jamie, what is that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, well, and I'm like did zee. Lads, we'll
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  Speaker 1: figure out. We'll figure it out. I have it in
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  Speaker 1: my notes, but I watched it two days ago, and
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  Speaker 1: literally my brain does not retain information for two days anymore. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The Bechdel Test is a media metric created by queer
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  Speaker 1: cartoonist Alison Bechtel, often called the Bechdel Wallace Test. Why
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  Speaker 1: because it was co created by Liz Wallace, so that
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. Lots of uses for this test. The one
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  Speaker 1: we use requires to pass, two characters with names of
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  Speaker 1: a marginalized gender talking to each other about something other
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  Speaker 1: than a man for two lines of dialogue or more.
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  Speaker 1: Should be dialogue that moves the plot forward in some
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  Speaker 1: way ideally, ideally, ideally, But if we like the movie honestly,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be like, eh, shrey, kind of bezz.
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  Speaker 3: And if we hate the movie, even if it does pass,
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  Speaker 3: we'll be like, it doesn't pass.
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  Speaker 1: That is true. There are movies that have like, actually
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  Speaker 1: demonstrably passed that we're like, but let's be serious, but
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  Speaker 1: spiritually no, it doesn't. So it's more of a vibe.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, we've been doing the show for almost
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  Speaker 1: a decade.
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  Speaker 3: Truly, as you said, this is our Zoolander episode. We
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  Speaker 3: have a six time guest. Yes, wow, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Your past jacket status.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, we owe you a house or something.
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  Speaker 4: I'll take it.
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  Speaker 1: Come on.
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  Speaker 3: She's a comedian. You've seen her on The Tonight Show,
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  Speaker 3: Comedy Central, Netflix. She's gonna be doing her solo show
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  Speaker 3: at the Black Women in Comedy Festival on February twenty seventh.
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  Speaker 3: She also, in addition to me, has a master's degree
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  Speaker 3: in film from Boston University. Yea, and you've heard her
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  Speaker 3: on dozens of other episodes. It's Canise Mobley, Hello.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so happy to be here. I'm just happy to
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  Speaker 4: see your right and shining faces.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, hey Canise, welcome to the Bechdel Cast
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  Speaker 3: Center for Kids who can't podcast? Good?
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  Speaker 4: What is this a center for? Ed?
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  Speaker 1: Gosh?
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  Speaker 4: Which I say in real life too often.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very quotable movie. And tell us what your
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  Speaker 3: your relationship with the movie is, Canise.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So I had not watched this movie in five years,
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  Speaker 4: and I rewatched it to discuss with you, lovely ladies,
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  Speaker 4: and to realize that big chunks of your personality came
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  Speaker 4: from a weird movie from twenty five years ago. To
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  Speaker 4: just have to accept that about yourself is hard. You
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  Speaker 4: thought you were an individual creation, sprung a whole cloth
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  Speaker 4: out of nothing, but no, you were just amalgamation of
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  Speaker 4: other people's thoughts and that's okay.
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  Speaker 3: And that's okay. So this was a big movie of
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  Speaker 3: your earlier life.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, I watched this. So it came out in
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and one. I definitely watched this throughout high school.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely quoted it with my friends a lot because we
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  Speaker 4: all watched it. We were not cool, but this movie
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  Speaker 4: made us feel cool to one another.
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  Speaker 3: Nice. I love that.
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  Speaker 4: What about you guys?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jamie, how about you?
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  Speaker 1: I'd never seen this, can you believe it? I'd never
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  Speaker 1: seen Zoolander? And I was approaching it with I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Ben Stiller has had such an interesting trajectory as a
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  Speaker 1: person where he's he is I feel, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know a lot about him personally, so hopefully there's
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  Speaker 1: not something scary I don't know, but he is a
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  Speaker 1: NEPO baby to root for. I think I had never
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  Speaker 1: seen this. I was worried about it when I saw
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  Speaker 1: the year it was released. And you're like, well, how
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  Speaker 1: is this good to age? And the answer is certainly
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  Speaker 1: not perfectly, but better than I thought. Yeah, there is
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  Speaker 1: like an element of timelessness to this movie. It was
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  Speaker 1: like saying more then I feel like that is such
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  Speaker 1: a hard needle to thread in broad comedies like this,
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  Speaker 1: where it's like this movie is saying something, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not like bonking you over the head with it, which
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  Speaker 1: is hard to do. I don't know, I was. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, very, very very into this movie. I have
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  Speaker 1: not seen this sequel, which I hear is very transphobic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I hear that the sequel is like is garbage, but
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  Speaker 1: this is this is my entry and probably exit because
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like this sequel's bad into the Zuelander expanded universe,
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  Speaker 1: and I was into it. I like, Derek, I love himbos,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like we just need to get the hit
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  Speaker 1: if we truly get the hymbos on our side, if
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  Speaker 1: we can get the hembos out to some protests, we're cooking.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like that is It actually made me
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  Speaker 1: think about La Protests a lot, where it's like you
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  Speaker 1: just got to get the himbos, you know, activated in
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  Speaker 1: the right direction.
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  Speaker 3: It helps.
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  Speaker 1: I volunteered with many Derek Szulanders in my day.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I want.
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  Speaker 4: I have been a bookish lady my whole life, but
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  Speaker 4: I love a dumb jock hook and that has been
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  Speaker 4: a fun part of my life for years. I'm pro that.
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  Speaker 4: But they have a gasoline fight with their mouths open.
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  Speaker 4: Their mouths are open. During that gasoline fight, he gets
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  Speaker 4: strayed with water from somebody driving by, and then he
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  Speaker 4: goes home. Notice he does not at any point wash
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  Speaker 4: his face or take off his jacket that was dripping
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  Speaker 4: with New York City street water, and then just lays
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  Speaker 4: in his bed.
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  Speaker 1: I do like that this would be. There were certain
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  Speaker 1: moments of this movie where I didn't see coming, such
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  Speaker 1: as seeing a young Alexander Scars blow up. Was not
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  Speaker 1: ready for that. I was like, whoa, wow, interesting. I mean, mekus,
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  Speaker 1: I guess so. I was just like, I was like
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  Speaker 1: squinting at the screen, like, hold on, there's no way,
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  Speaker 1: but there is. Then he's and then he's dead two
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  Speaker 1: minutes later. It's so wild. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's just stuff about this movie that doesn't age well,
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  Speaker 1: such as Andy Dick in general. But I was impressed
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  Speaker 1: with this Vivie. I really enjoyed it. Caitlyn what's your
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  Speaker 1: history of Zoolander.
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  Speaker 3: My history is similar to Canisi's in that I watched
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  Speaker 3: this movie a lot in the early to mid two thousands.
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  Speaker 3: The little cough that Derek Zulander does where he's just like,
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  Speaker 3: I'll just do that sometimes in life. I liked it
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  Speaker 3: because I think that, again, not all of the humor
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  Speaker 3: holds up, certainly, but enough of it does that I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you're actually saying something here. It reminds me of Josie
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  Speaker 3: and the puss Cats, another one of my favorite movies,
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  Speaker 3: because it's about you know, conspiracies hidden in the entertainment
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  Speaker 3: industry that exists to manipulate or exploit people. And so
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  Speaker 3: they're very similar movies to me. So I think this
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  Speaker 3: is just like a subgenre that I enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that like came out during a very specific time
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  Speaker 1: because their aesthetics are very similar to Yeah, like, they're
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  Speaker 1: both super I mean, this is like the most boring
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  Speaker 1: complaint to make about movies, but like, wow, these movies
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  Speaker 1: are so colorful. Movies aren't colorful anymore.
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  Speaker 3: So I love this movie, you know, as a young adult.
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  Speaker 3: But then I stopped watching it. I hadn't seen it
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  Speaker 3: in probably like ten or more years, so there's a
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  Speaker 3: pretty big gap, and I couldn't remember all the things
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  Speaker 3: about it. Certainly there were jokes that I was like, oh, yes,
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  Speaker 3: we'll talk about them. But overall, this movie does hold
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  Speaker 3: up better than you might expect. So let's take a
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  Speaker 3: quick break and then we'll come back and do the recap. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and we're back and here's the recap. Oh right, I
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  Speaker 3: forgot Zuelander.
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  Speaker 1: There's also the Donald Trump caveo jumps that as well.
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  Speaker 1: He did not love to see it. I can't believe
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  Speaker 1: I've brought up. I mean, to me, personally, Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: and Andy Dick are comparably evil. Andy Dick just has
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  Speaker 1: less power. But yeah, there are there are some of
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  Speaker 1: history's greatest monsters that make cameo appearances in this movie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was just like, genuinely, I was enjoying it so much.
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  Speaker 4: And then it was like like when Trump showed up,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, no, not in Oh no, he's in
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  Speaker 4: the past too. He exists everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking about this recently where it's like if
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump makes so many cameos during of this ten
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  Speaker 1: year period. But also, Kaitlyn, when you're talking about Gremlins two,
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  Speaker 1: and You're like, so many villains over like a period
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  Speaker 1: of forty years in movies are clearly mapped on him too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, iff in Back to the Future two is very
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  Speaker 3: clearly mapped onto Donald Trump. He does a cameo in
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  Speaker 3: Home Alone two famously. Yeah, he has a cameo in
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  Speaker 3: Little Rascals. Oh, if anyone remembers that.
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I do, remember that he's just in movies and now
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  Speaker 3: he's our fascist American president and you hate to see it.
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 3: Cameo is awesome though, and holds up amazingly well, Billy Zayne.
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  Speaker 1: I yes, Yeah, However, many nipples I end up giving
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: a spoiler alert, they're all going to Billy's he slays this.
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  Speaker 1: This also starts a pattern in his career of him
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  Speaker 1: make He's very open to making cameos as himself, which
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  Speaker 1: understandably many actors aren't. But Billy's aid, you know, he's
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  Speaker 1: one of us. He's got like Billy's saying, and I can,
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  Speaker 1: I can say insider Hollywood info. Billy's aye sits with
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  Speaker 1: the crew. He's not a diva. He's not a diva.
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  Speaker 1: He's nice.
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  Speaker 4: What's he been doing?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he's been well, he's playing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh who is he?
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  Speaker 1: Who is he playing? In an upcoming movie? He's in
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  Speaker 1: a biopic?
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  Speaker 3: Soon is he Marlon Brando in a movie?
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  Speaker 1: I think he might be playing Marlon Brando. I really
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  Speaker 1: think that the zannaissance is going to come upon us
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  Speaker 1: because we like he's very, very talented. I think he
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: got so typecast after Titanic in a way that was
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  Speaker 1: like hard to bounce back from. But he's a great
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  Speaker 1: comic actor. He's a great dramatic actor. The guy can
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  Speaker 1: read the room.
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  Speaker 4: I just I want his features are striking, Like I
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  Speaker 4: know that's here to say, especially in a movie about
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  Speaker 4: male models. But of the people in this movie, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: damn Billy zaying turn it down.
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  Speaker 3: His resting face is just magnum. He has magnum.
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  Speaker 1: He ah man, I just I just love that that
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  Speaker 1: damn Billy's aim. What a He has such riz And
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's not fair because they I think they like
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: hot him down in Titanic because he has to be
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: next to young Leo. They put on like the weird
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  Speaker 1: eye makeup that is like Vaudeville villain coated or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and like a weird.
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  Speaker 4: Hair flip that. I'm like, is that his actual hair?
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: Is that? Because it looks like a wig on top? Like,
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  Speaker 4: it's just I don't like it. You guys have the
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  Speaker 4: Titanic experts.
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  Speaker 3: But thank you.
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  Speaker 1: But when they let him go bald Moude, You're like,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is a beautiful man. I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 1: he's just yeah, he's going to play Caitlin. I think
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: you're right, Yes he's playing. This year, he's playing Marlon
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  Speaker 1: Brando in Waltzing with Brando alongside John Heater whoa aka Napoleon,
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: and Richard Dreyfus. I don't know, no accounting for it.
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  Speaker 4: I thought Richard Dreyfus was dead.
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  Speaker 1: This also comes as a surprise to me.
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  Speaker 3: No apparent.
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  Speaker 1: He's he's seventy seven. He's alive and well in the
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  Speaker 1: upcoming Marlon Brando Billy's Aane biopic.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, look at god, this is just wild fascinating. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: Here's what happens in the movie Zoolander. All right, all right, okay.
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  Speaker 3: We open on a news story about the new Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister of Malaysia promising to raise the minimum wage and
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  Speaker 3: to end child labor once and for all. Watching this
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  Speaker 3: news story is a group of fashion industry moguls who
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  Speaker 3: rely on exploited child labor in sweatshops in countries like
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  Speaker 3: Malaysia to make a profit, and so they want a
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  Speaker 3: fashion designer named jakobiim Mugatu played by Will Ferrell, to
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  Speaker 3: find someone to kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia when
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  Speaker 3: he visits New York City in two weeks, which coincides
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  Speaker 3: with Fashion Week.
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  Speaker 1: This is the perfect use of Will Ferrell.
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  Speaker 4: I feel, yes, I agree perfectly civil Ferreal, but I
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  Speaker 4: also love the idea that, like everyone agrees child labor
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  Speaker 4: is bad because we're not there anymore, and we may
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  Speaker 4: people on the Republican side arguing that kids deserve the
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  Speaker 4: right to work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill's character.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so genuinely to watch this, it's like, oh no,
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  Speaker 4: some of the people who saw this were like, haha, yes,
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  Speaker 4: we should give children jobs.
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  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I have a whole chalan did the research
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  Speaker 3: feel that I'm gonna go into I'm gonna talk about
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  Speaker 3: the DRC. It's bear with me for that, but.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's I mean, but that's like covertly what this
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  Speaker 1: movie is trying to get you to think about too.
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  Speaker 1: It's really I I this is gonna come up an
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: annoying amount of times because I watched Network for the
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  Speaker 1: first time over the weekend. I don't know why, but
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  Speaker 1: it was like my it was just my time. I
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  Speaker 1: just felt like it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you're mad as hell and you're not gonna
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: take it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm probably gonna choose it for the matrim
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  Speaker 1: for my read because what a movie. It's so good.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like it's like starting a weirdly similar
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  Speaker 1: discussion to what you're just saying Kenese of like everyone
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  Speaker 1: behind closed doors is like, well, yeah, obviously this is horrible,
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  Speaker 1: but should we do it? And like it is weirdly
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  Speaker 1: like gratifying to see that behind closed doors, no matter
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  Speaker 1: how gaslight you are as a normal person, they know
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  Speaker 1: it's bad. They just are trying to decide if it's
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  Speaker 1: advantageous to care or not.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So, anyway, this is their plan. They need an
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  Speaker 3: assassin to kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia, and the
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  Speaker 3: ideal candidate to do this would be a shallow, empty
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: headed dim wit. Cut to Derek Zoolander played by Ben Stiller,
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  Speaker 3: a shallow, empty headed, dim witted male model who is
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: being interviewed by an investigatory journalist Matilda Jeffries played by
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Christine Taylor, a Ben Stiller's real life his wife.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah and didn't know, didn't know?
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  Speaker 3: Oh really Yeah, yeah, they've been married for a while. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Derek tells her that he is known for his signature look,
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  Speaker 3: Blue Steel, though he's working on another look called Magnum,
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  Speaker 3: though it's not yet perfected. It's not ready yet. Then
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  Speaker 3: it's the night of the VH one Fashion Awards. Derek
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  Speaker 3: Zulander is expecting to win Male Model of the Year
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  Speaker 3: for the fourth year in a row. Also, there is
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  Speaker 3: Derek's rival, an up and coming male model named Hansel
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  Speaker 3: played by Owen Wilson, who is so hot right now.
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  Speaker 4: I say that all the time that so and so
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  Speaker 4: is so hot right now, and I didn't think about
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  Speaker 4: it again until I watched this. I'm sorry, Okay, I.
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  Speaker 1: Really I feel like, wait, what is the the Bill
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  Speaker 1: Hayter character Steffan. It's like Stefan exists to me in
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  Speaker 1: the Zuelander Expanded universe, But that's Zuelander.
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  Speaker 3: We would not have Steffan think so yeah, acur it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, the Male Model of the Year award goes to Hansel,
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  Speaker 3: who is so hot right now. But Derek just assumes
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  Speaker 3: that he won, so he goes on stage to accept
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  Speaker 3: the award. He makes a fool of himself, and Mugatu realizes, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: he's the guy we need to carry out this assassination.
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  Speaker 3: So Mugatu approaches Derek's manager, agent Maury Balstein played by
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Jerry Stiller aka Ben Stiller's real life his father. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 3: Derek is on stage. He's humiliated. He's starting to think
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: that maybe there's more to life than being really really
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  Speaker 3: ridiculously good looking.
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  Speaker 1: I love when a him vo. It's just so charming.
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  Speaker 1: When a Himvo's like, is there much more than this
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  Speaker 1: provincial life? And you're like, King, yes, yes there is,
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  Speaker 1: follow me yes.
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  Speaker 3: But his three male model roommates Rufus, Brent and Meekus.
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  Speaker 1: Every character name in this movie is per so good.
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  Speaker 3: They aren't really listening. They're more focused on going out
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  Speaker 3: for orange mocha frappuccinos. But then the three roommates die
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  Speaker 3: in a gas station accident slash explosion.
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  Speaker 4: Greek gasoline fight accident.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's like for this day. I was like, okay,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I'm just it's satire. I don't know, I don't know
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: these guys, I wonder I'd actually be really curious, like
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: what models think of this movie. I feel like my
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: my feeling is they probably embraced it, but I'm curious.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Well you do you know.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: You would know models? Kyler.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I Okay, this is the most la thing I've ever
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: done or said. But my trainer is a model slash actor,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: slash trainer, and I told him we were covering this
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: movie and he's like, I love the movie, Zulander.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay, okay, good, this makes you feel better about it?
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I just tried to put myself in
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the mindspace of like, if someone made a movie presenting
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: stand up comics as brand dead, I would have no
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: issue with it, because like there's some truth to that,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: I prefer them do that than what they do, which
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: is like, hey, I get up there and I was
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: drunk and I tried to stand up once and I'm
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: the best in the world, and then write five seasons
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: of a TV show about it. Whatever. But I just
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: I think the depictions are not funny.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: So yes, this parity better.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh and I wanted to say, I know I've
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: mentioned this before, but okay, so they're going at the
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: car wash.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: You do not like this scene.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: It bothers me so much. They're using the like the
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: wiper stuff, like the hey wipe off your windshield and
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: they start flinging that at each other's bodies. Gross with
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: their mouths open you And then how cheap is gas
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: that They're like, we're gonna fill out this car. We're
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: also gonna spray gasoline all over the place.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Two thousand and one it was like nine eleven dollar fifty.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god, sorry, it just and your mouth
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: is open old.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Time, like the taste what I'm getting? What I guess
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to put myself in two thousand and one brain.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: And I feel like, even though like the whole like
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: gender swapping stuff is pretty dated a concept at this point,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like it had to have been like pretty
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: subversive at the time to present hot men as vapid
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: in a way that we usually see hot women presented. Yes,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know, true, but I was watching Shrek in
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one, so I don't know.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Never forget Okay. So there's this gas station explosion and
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: at the funeral, while Derek is giving his you googly,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Derek announces that he's retiring from male modeling. He wants
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: to do more meaningful work than it helps people, maybe
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: even open up the Derek Zulander Center for kids who
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: can't read good. His agent Morey tells him he can't
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: retire because Mugatu, who has never hired Derek before, finally
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: wants him for his new campaign, but Derek refuses and
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: goes back home to coal mining country, New Jersey, where
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: his family lives. His dad played by John Voyd, and
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: two brothers played by Vince Vaughan and Judah Friedlander, who
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I don't think to say any lines of dialogue really.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I think Vince Vaughn maybe speaks once. Yeah, Judah Friedlander
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: is a glorified extra.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I did not know that was Judah Friedlander.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: That's Judah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: That's what he looks like. And the hair out the sides, that's.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I like that they all have the same resting face.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: So much of this movie is so funny to me.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I just so good.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Anyway. They're ashamed of Derek and his job because he's
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: not living up to their rigid gender expectations of being
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: hyper masculine, so eventually Derek returns to the city to
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: accept Mugatu's offer, which includes a miniature prototype of the
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Derek Zulander Center for Kids who can't read good. And
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: this is when Derek says, what is this a center
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: for ants? It'll have to be at least three times
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: bigger than this. It's funny, it's funny. I can't help it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: It's funny, so funny. Meanwhile, Matilda Jeffreyes, the journalist, is
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: trying to talk to Mugatu about his exploitation of child
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: labor in Malaysia, but she can't get access to Mugatu.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Then she receives an anonymous phone call from a mysterious
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: person telling her to keep digging and to go to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Peer twelve.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And you're like, surely this isn't David Dick.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Surely not. Then Mugatu shows Derek his designs for the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: fashion week show, a campaign called dere Leaked, which we'll
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: talk about. There's interesting satire going on here. Mugatu and
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: his minion, Katinka played by Mila Jovovich, start getting Derek
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: ready for the show.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Mila Jeviovich is giving very Parker posey and Josie the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Pussycat's going off of your comparison I would say so.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: I think she's so funny in this, and she got
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: trapped in this weird vampire killie business for like twenty years.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: I think maybe she's still trapped there. Then I don't
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: think they let her out of the resident evil box. Oh,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: it's clear that she's like very funny here.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Well, and she has like I feel like, I think
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: like earlier in her career she was doing like really
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: weird a collect I mean, like she's great in the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Fifth Element, even though that movie does not give her
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: much to do, but she's like good at being weird
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and silly and yeah, free her, free her.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Yes. So anyway, Katinka takes Derek to a quote unquote
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: day spa, which is actually just a brainwashing facility, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: they start brainwashing Derek to kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: When the song Relax comes on, that's the trigger that
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: will get him to like go into a homicidal rage. Basically,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Matilda shows up to Peer twelve, which turns out to
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: be the location of this quote unquote spa, but Katinka
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: immediately throws Matilda out in comments on her outfit, saying
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: it's from kmart.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Very two thousand and one. Insults.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: We even had cats anymore?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, do kids even know what kmarts are
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: these days?
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I think there might be one left.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: There's like a huskover kmart in my hometown. It's very sad.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: It's just like gets just a big, scary, haunted liminal space.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Anyway, we cut to Derek waking up in his bed
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: and he thinks this whole thing was a dream. But
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Matilda shows up at his door and she tells him
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: that he's been missing for a week and that the
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: dere leaked show is tomorrow night. Then she discovers that
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: several male models who have worked with Mugatu in the
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: past have died in freak accidents, and that Mugatu's minion, Katinka,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: is in all of the photographs of the crime scenes.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: So she realizes that Derek is in danger and she
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: heads to the pre show party that Derek is at
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to warn him. At the party where Billy Zane is,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: he's there. He's playing himself. He's friends with Derek Zulander.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: He's an ally to Derek.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: He really is. Yes, Hansel shows up and he and
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Derek are still beefing, so they decide to settle this
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: on the runway with a walk off with a David
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Bowie cameo. He's like the referee. Sure. Derek is humiliated
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: by Hansel once again when Hansel wins the walk off
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: by taking his underwear off without removing his pants, and
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: we're like exactly. Then Matilda approaches Derek to be like, hey,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: there's a male modeling conspiracy and you're in danger. Then
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: they head to a cemetery after Matilda receives another call
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: from that mystery person, who turns out to be former
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: hand model JP Pruett played by David d'ucuffney.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Just like poetry, poetry is so great.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: It's amazing. He tells them that the fashion industry has
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: been behind every major political assassination for the past two
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: hundred years, and behind every hit was a male model
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: who is then killed to cover everything up. And JP
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Pruett tells them that they can find evidence for all
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: of this on Maury Balstein's computer because he's in on
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: it too. Suddenly they are attacked by Mugatu's minions, so
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Derek and Matilda escape and they need to find somewhere
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: safe for Derek to hide, and they realize the last
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: place that anyone would look for him would be Hansel's house.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: So they show up at Hansel's. Derek and Hansel air
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: their grievances and admit that they're actually intimidated by each
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: other and now they're friends, and Hansel welcomes them to
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: his home. Then there's a scene where Matilda confides in
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: them about why she doesn't like models. We'll talk about
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: this later because there's a lot to unpack here. Yeah,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: but this culminates in Derek, Hansel, Matilda plus some other
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: people having group sex. I think they're all drinking ayahuasca
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: or something and they're just getting freaky and horny with
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: the each other, and Derek and Matilda in particular are
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: really vibing.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Hans's kind of along for the ride, right.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: He's watching Slash also participating.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: The next day is the big dere leaked show when
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Derek is going to be forced to assassinate the Prime
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Minister of Malaysia, so they have to figure out how
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: they're going to stop this from happening. Hansel and Derek
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: disguise themselves as people of different races.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, there's my like, my heart wilted at
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the sight of this because the movie was doing so
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: well generally, and then this happens, and you're like, you've
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: got to be fucking kidding me.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: One of those guys, the black guy is a comedian,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Godfrey still around Godfrey. Yeah, Bill looks very much the
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: same man. He has not aged. He looks great, especially yeah,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: twenty five years later. But Dan, it's hard to see
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: him there, and you're like, ah, it's not fair to him. No,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I don't love this implication. I don't love it, I know.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: And then you remember, you know Tropic Thunder, and you're like, oh,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, ben Stiller is.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Kind of Ben Stiller's thing.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: It's kind of a thing.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Weird, weirdo, very weird.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, they are now in disguises as people of
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: different races, at the very least they cast different actors. Yes,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: but then later you see ben Stiller and Owen Wilson
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: partially in exact black and brown face, and then so, yes,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: it is horrible, doesn't Yeah, it doesn't work very bad anyway.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: They are able to get inside Maury's office, but they
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: don't know how to use computers. There's this whole two
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: thousand and one A Space Odyssey reference where they're like
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: kind of banging on one of those huge desktops, yeah,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: from two thousand and one. And before they figure out
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: how to access the evidence, Derek has to leave to
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: get to his show. Meanwhile, Matilda figures out that the
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: trigger is the song relax after learning that Mugatu used
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: to be in was it the band Frankie goes to
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Hollywood that's who wrote relaxed. So anyway, they booted him out.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: It was like slightly too dated for me. I'm like,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sure this was funny in two thousand and one,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: but hard to say right.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Anyway, he was in a band, but he got booted
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: out before they recorded their hit song Relax, and so
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: he's very bitter toward them. He also invented the piano
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: key necktie and that's what launched his fashion career. Now
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: that's funny and that's comedy. Yes, anyway, so Matilda figures
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: out that that's like the trigger song. Then the Dare
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Leaked show starts. The Prime Minister of Malaysia is there
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: as Mugatu's special guest Derek comes on stage. The DJ
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: starts playing the song Relax the.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Row and unrecognizable justin the row.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had no idea until looking at Wikipedia earlier today.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: So the song starts playing. Derek is about to attack
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister, but then Hansel swoops in. There's a
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: whole fight scene where Hansel battles DJ justin throu They
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: keep switching the music back and forth, and then eventually
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: they expose Mugatu and the whole conspiracy to brainwash Derek
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: into assassinating the Malaysian Prime Minister. Maury Balstein confirms this
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: is all true, and Mugatu is like, fine, if you're
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: not gonna kill the Prime Minister, I'll do it myself,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: and he's about to kill him, but then Derek saves
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister with his new look Magnum, which blows
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: everyone away, and everyone's so proud of him, even Derek's
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: father back in New Jersey.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, what are movies
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: about fathers?
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: And yes, okay. So then we cut to a little later.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: The Derek Zulander Center for kids who can't read good
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: and want to learn to do other stuff good too,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: has opened. His friends are teachers there. Derek and Matilda
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: have gotten together and they have a kid, Derek Junior,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: who is an aspiring male model because he does a
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: little look. And that's pretty much the end of the movie.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: So let's take another quick break and we'll come back
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: to discuss, and.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: We're back.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Where to begin?
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Where to begin?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I guess we could start with the few women in
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: this movie where I don't know, I mean, what if
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: we think? I thought the Milijevovich character was really fun,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: probably a little underused, like could have had because it's
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: just fresh because she's giving such a fun performance, But
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the movie really only has interested in her at like
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: plot useful times, versus like building out much for her
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: to do, like we don't really know anything about her
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: like outside of that. And then unfortunately Christine Taylor, it's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: not her fault, but I just like, I feel like
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: this exact character exists in a lot of movies around
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: this era. Unfortunately, I am thinking of The Master of
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Disguise where you're like, uh huh listen, which for some
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: reason is a movie I have seen many times. In
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: spite of not saying Zulander doesn't make sense, but I'm
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: going to try to like boil down. It's like just
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: she's too normal and everyone else is a cartoon character
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: in this movie except her and she like and I
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: think that that's the joke, But I also don't think
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: it's fair to the actor, and it's not a particularly
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: memorable character, and I don't like it.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: There are so many movies of this time, and I thought,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: this is what you're gonna say, where a woman there
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: is a journalist to cover the thing the man is doing,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: and of course she will end up sleeping with one
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: of the people in the movie. Like that happened over
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: and over again, even up until like train Wreck or
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: about Tag called Tag.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Where it was where Jerremy Renner broke his arms.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: No, I don't know.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty shirt as a Renner historian, I'm pretty I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: like him. I hate he sucks. I hate him like
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: he sucks.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: And it was only confirmed like he did some things
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: that were annoying or something. But I was like, no,
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: I'm only celebrating this because deep down I didn't like
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: that guy. But yes, Tag where Jeremy Renner broke is up.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: But in that they write a woman just to be
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: a journalist air quotes, to follow these guys around and
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: then eventually sleep with one of them.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And you're totally right. I think that that happens a
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: lot across rom coms as well, where like it's a
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: comedies and realm comms often it's like, okay, well, feminism happens,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: So we can't just like have a woman not have
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: a job, But how can we create a character that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: is just disproportionately interested in what this guy is up to?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I think that that's yeah, that's I don't think we've
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: ever like really honed in on that on this show. Yeah,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: that's totally true.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And to your point, Jamie, it means that
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: she's and I get it, like in a comedy movie
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: there's often like the straight straight man to emphasize the
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: comedic hijinks.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But if you only have two women in the movie.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Like right, where it's like, okay, and there are moments
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: where she's like reacting to something absurd where like she
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: kind of gets the laugh or like her reaction is
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: like oh ha ha, I agree with her because they
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: did something ridiculous. But even so, like it means that
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: she isn't given the opportunity to show like comedic chops
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: quite the same way as all of the other characters
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: who are predominantly men.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's maybe like an obvious observation. But like, in
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: this movie that's written by three men that I do
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: think has some stuff to say about masculinity. But I
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was not shocked that there's only two women characters. One
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: is an underutilized comedic character and the other is a pretty,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I think dully written love interest.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: For sure, there's a there's another. It's not a character,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: and it's not a cameo because it's not a famous person.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: They made someone look the worst they've ever looked, and
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: they played the messuse and I just that stuck out
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I was like, that's Sandy Dick.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: A Sandy Dick.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: That's Andy Dick. Yeahah, he's I was like, wait, they
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: have three women on screen at the same time. That's wild.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: No, that's Andy Dick.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: No, they don't they never mind, never mind, I take
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: it back.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I will take every opportunity to just declare Andy Dick
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: one of the world's worst people. I hate that motherfucker.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And it's personal, okay, but it is a very tired
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: joke where it's either regardless of the gender of the actor,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: sometimes it is a man, sometimes it's a woman, but
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: it's someone in so much makeup and prosthetics, and it's
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the character is almost always a woman, where it's like, look,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: how hideous this old hag is, and isn't that comedy
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: yet the drag being used, where drag is the punchline
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: as a post like yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: So yeah, not great when it comes to the characters
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: who are women.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I don't really have much to say about those
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: characters outside of that because we're not really given that much.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: There's a couple of times when Zulander talks to the
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: investigatory journalist, which I thought investigatory was a word for
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: a long time, and it's not right.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: It is an investigative journalist.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, investigative journalist. But I just say it really quickly
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: because I'm always like, shit, I'm doing it wrong.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: But if someone said that to me, I would be like, yeah,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: that sounds like a word.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Sure, yeah yeah. But when Balls talks to her when
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: she's asking questions, he's like, ah, you'd look pretty good
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: if you had a push up raw And we're supposed
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: to like this guy. I was like, this guy who
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: smacks his secretary's button is like talking about his penis
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: all the time. I was like, I hate this person, right,
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: but so she's like okay, and she doesn't say anything then,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: and then when she's trying to tell him you've been
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: missing for a week, he's like, hey, you have patterned
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: dryness around your scalp because you're pulling your hair too tight,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: may I? And then he pulls her hair out of
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: a ponytail and stuff, and he's like, wow, you look better,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: and she's like smiling, like oh thanks, like do this better?
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Don't die? And I'm like, why would she stand for
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: any of this? Why?
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know. There's there's the scene where she tells
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: them her backstory, so okay. Earlier in the movie, when
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Derek is talking to his male model friends about wanting
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: to help people, and they're like, models do help people.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: We make people feel good about themselves and teach them
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: how to wear their hair in interesting ways. The irony
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: being that the entire beauty industry is predicated on making
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: people feel bad about themselves so that they can capitalize
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: on people's insecurities and sell them shit and all of that.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: That might be an oversimplification, but it's largely that either way.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: We find out the reason that Matilda does not like
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: models when she shares her backstory because she describes that
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: when she was a kid, she was bullied for being fat,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: and she felt all this pressure to live up to
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: these impossible Western beauty standards that were perpetuated by the
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: models she saw in magazines, and from that she'd developed
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: and eating disorder. And she shares this with these two
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: guys who like completely trivialize her experience. She is clearly
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: frustrated that they're not taking her seriously, But then the
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: scene quickly moves on to her sex life.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Which is like, so, I mean again, clearly a story
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: written by three men, because it's like again, because it's like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: that could be an interesting conversation, but the movie just
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: tells you they're like, but we don't this interesting thing
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: we said. We actually don't care that we said it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, then why did you say it?
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Then?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Why did you say it?
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: At the very least, Derek does apologize to her a
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: few scenes later. It is while he's in blackface, so
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: it's just like, well.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I also noted that. I was like, I'm gonna
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: say that, it does not count.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: It does not count. Right, There's a conversation to be
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: had about this, and the movie almost starts to have
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: that conversation, but and is like never mind.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Which is interesting because it's like, again, that would totally
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: fit into other points the movie is trying to make about,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: like what is the point of the beauty industry? Like
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: is there any positive to it? Where is the source
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: of like evil and dysfunction within it? Continuing on that
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: line of thought would be like very well placed. But
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: again they're just like nah, right, well, so some.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Of the characters who are doing and saying problematic things
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: in the movie, is a part of the satire that's
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: criticizing the fashion industry and like showing how toxic of
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: an environment this could be. I think the whole dere
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Leaked campaign is like, look at how the fashion industry
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: we got.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: To in general? Yes, everything he does?
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, everything about how like you know, using homelessness as
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: an aesthetic for a fashion show, Right, that's satire higher.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's handled perfectly, but at least that's clear.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: But it's not like it's not endorsing that obviously, ye.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Right, where we're right. There are other moments where a
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: character makes fat shaming remarks, such as when Mugatu tells
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: a model to lose weight immediately that are satirical representations
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: of the unrealistic beauty and body standards within modeling and
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: within the fashion industry. Again not handled the most effectively
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: in this movie.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: But also, yeah, is there anyone in this movie that
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: isn't traditionally attractive? Right?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I mean that was something that I I not that
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I noticed and all, like again just going back to
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, I feel like part of why
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the Christine Taylor character, it's like, well, but she's not
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: fat anymore, and that is I feel like something we see, like,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: especially during this era of movies, when fatness is even
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: referenced in a story, it's in the past tense, as
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: if if it were in the present tense, they would
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: not be in the movie, which in this movie appears
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to be true. I don't know, like it's just and
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: like going back to that talking point again, like from
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: that character Matilda, I'm just gonna keep calling her Christie Taylor.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: But that is like such a clear opportunity for satire.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they just gave it up. I
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: at least, I guess for not for nothing, Like I'm
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: glad that at least the body shaving aspects were explicitly
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: referenced by a character, but yeah, it just doesn't go anywhere.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so you have examples of again characters saying
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: problematic things as part of the satire. But then you
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: also just have like it was two thousand and one,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: and this is what we thought was comedy back then,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: because you have things like there are a few instances
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: of ableists language and slurs being thrown around. There are
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: transphoe remarks which apparently get worse as the series goes on,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: which horrifying. Again, Yeah, I can't speak to it, but
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: there's you know, sexual assault in the workplace being played
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: as a joke. You mentioned that canis there are examples
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: of little people or people of color where them simply
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: being on screen is the punchline of a joke, like
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: when they show up in the group sex scene. There
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: is the black and brown face that we discussed.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Which Ben Stiller will be a big proponent of well
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: into this decade. Yes, Traffic Thunder was what like two
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: thousand and seven or something.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Something around then. Yeah, yes, so there are jokes that
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: age horribly and are not there as any part of
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: like satirical social commentary. It's just it was two thousand
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: and one. But then there's other moments where the movie
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: is like commenting on expectations of masculinity, like when Derek
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: returns to coal mining New Jersey and his brothers and
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: especially his dad are ashamed of Derek and his job because,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: you know, being a male model doesn't live up to
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: their rigid expectations of masculinity, and they want him to
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: work on quote unquote manly job like working in a
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: coal mine, and.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: It's like in the goofiest way possible, which is great,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know all the family jokes like John
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Voight is being John Voight is the worst part of it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: But outside of that, like basically no notes at the
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: end where there's like that very offhand resolution where he's
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: like watching like they in the New Jersey coal mine bars,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: they would watch so great, that's my son.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Where are they watching this? I love it?
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I love it. They're like, well, yeah, it's kind of
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: the big a fashion.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like on all of the TVs. It's over
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: the sports. Forget sports. It's the got to Daryl Leek's campaign.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Love it, love its comedy.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: You don't even do that for the Victoria's Secret Show.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: You Okay, yeah, you have to feel like an Amazon
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Prime subscriber or some shit. Now, Like no wo.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I love the part where Derek's like, oh I ever
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: wanted was to make you proud pop and John Voyd
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: is like, with what your male modeling? Prancing around with
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: your wiener hanging out? I think the lord that your
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: mother never lived to see her son as a mermaid,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: and then Derek goes merman, yes, man, that is comedy anyway,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: again not handled super thoughtfully in the movie. It is
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: the beginning of a conversation.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like that. What I felt like is like, well,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I think that that's the best this movie could do
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: on that subject. While like maintaining the tone of the movie,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I wasn't mad about it fair.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: The other thing that I was like pleasantly surprised by
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: upon this rewatch was the scene where Derek and Hansel
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: talk through why they've been beefing, and they admit to
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: feeling threatened by each other because Derek's like, yeah, I'm
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: getting older and my career is winding down and you're
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: young and your career is just getting started, and Hansel's like, well,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: they're like.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: The same age.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: I think they're like years apart.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: But yes, yeah, it's very funny. But yeah, Hansel is like, well,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I'm intimidated by you because you're such a legend and
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: it's difficult to live in your shadow. And they hug
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: it out and they become friends. But it's just like
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: so rare to see in a movie adult men talk
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: through their issues and talk about their feelings, especially like
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: feelings of vulnerability, and they're admitting to being intimidated by
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: each other by another man. Like I was just like, wow,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: you don't see this, especially in two thousand and one.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I really yeah, I'm so I wish I could. Well,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I don't wish I could talk to a man in
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one. But I'm curious how that was
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: read at the time because I also really liked that. Yeah,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: it's like they're The movie is like, oh, they're you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: these guys are unmasculine by traditional standards, and they're the
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: only men in the room who can have an open
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: discussion about their feelings and openly connect with each other.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I'm curious how that was read at the time. I wonder, Okay,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: this is my two thousand and one question. It's like,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: was that a joke at the time that it's like
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: only unmasculine men could possibly have this conversation. I don't
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: think that the movie is like criticizing them, because we
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: love these characters. They're the best. But I'm I don't know,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know either, sound off in
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: the chat everybody nice.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: I do want to use this almost like as a
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: role player exercise for like friend dude, dude friend therapy,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: where it's like, Okay, so what we're gonna do is
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: you're gonna be do Lander, You're gonna be a Hansel,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: and you're gonna start with the lines that are in
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: the movie, and then slowly you're gonna improvise and incorporate
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: your own shit, and then it just did did did
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: did did it? Boom, We've healed male friendship. I think
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: it's possible.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: We can get there. We can get there, We can
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: get there.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: It takes a lot of Yes, probably gonna be a
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: bunch of improv dudes at first, and that's fine, but yeah,
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: like that's where it's gotta start. Then that's where it's
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: gotta start.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, corneus meant to the front. Sorry to improvise us there,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: but it's true. Yeah, I mean I love that their
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: friendship resolves. I wasn't sure which way it was going
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: to go, and it just makes sense. And then okay,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I have another two thousand and one can we put
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: ourselves back there moment, which is that I mean, this
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: movie is mysteriously absent of queer people in an industry
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: where there are many queer people working in high places,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: which feels very two thousand and one, So that is
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I think bizarre. But also I did like that for Derek,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: like he is ostensibly straight as far as we know,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: and that his vulnerability didn't threaten that in any way,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: which I do think is a good thing. So I'm
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: having two things be true there. It feels weird to
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: completely erase queer people from the fashion industry, and also
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I did like the portrayal of a straight guy that
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: could have male friends and be emotionally vulnerable without that
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: threatening his straightness.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: For sure. This is also an era where queer people
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: were basically absent from cinema in general.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly thought that there would be heavier
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: coating in two thousand and one.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know, I mean, I wonder
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: if Mugatu is supposed to be queer coded. His assistant
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: is his assistant Todd for sure, yes, played by Nathan
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Lee Graham.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I've seen him be a gay character and
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: a lot of things. I think maybe i've now that
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: i'm thinking about it, I'm like, I've probably just projected
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: him into things.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Oh no, m yeah, I don't know much about Nathan
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Lee Graham's personal life, but the character that he's playing
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Todd certainly queer coded, Mugatu maybe arguably also queer coded.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Hard to I would say, what were exactly right?
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: And like Will Ferrell is so weird that it's like
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: you just really never know what he's going for. And
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I mean that as a compliment because I think that
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: like a lazier, less creative comic actor would have just
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: leaned heavy on queer coding. But like Will Ferrell is,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: he's just doing a lot, Like I don't who knows,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: who knows what Mugatu's interior life is.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: He's just menacing, not menacing.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: We just missing right, not really sure what's going on.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: You just kind of have to remind yourself. It was
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: two thousand and one and representation was just not good.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: I said, Wow, brilliantly.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Bravely, bravely I've never been said on this show before.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, another thing I wanted to talk about is so okay.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: This is a movie about a small group of rich
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: and powerful industry leaders who conspire to assassinate the leader
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: of a country so they can continue to exploit child
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: labor in the Global South so as to maximize profits.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: It's giving all a guarchy. It's giving all a garchy.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it sure is pretty interesting for a very silly
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: comedy movie to be about this, to call attention to this,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: because this is a very real thing that continues to
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: happen around the world.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Caitlin's context corner.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: So there's obviously many examples of this happening in the
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: world currently. I would like to take this moment to
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: discuss what's currently happening in the DRC aka the Democratic
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Republic of the Congo, just in case listeners are not
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: aware of this. So this movie is obviously about the
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: garment and fashion industry. What I'm about to talk about
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: relates to the tech industry. But the DRC is a
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: country that's very rich in valuable resources that are used
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: to manufacture a lot of tech, which means that companies
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: like Google, Apple, Tesla, Intel, Microsoft, Dell.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Basically everyone who is at the presidential inauguration exactly.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, they are stealing these resources things like tin, tungsten, cobalt,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: col tan, just to name a few, and Congolese people
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: have more or less been enslaved who mine these resources.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: The working conditions are incredibly inhumane and unsafe. The workers
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: are paid almost nothing, less than two US dollars a day,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: and a lot of that labor that's being exploited is
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: child labor, which goes back to the movie Zoolander, but
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: obviously any type of exploited underpaid labor is wrong anyway.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: This is an ongoing humanitarian crisis that's been happening since
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: the nineties, though imperialist entities have been exploited in Congo
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: for its resources for much longer than that. Millions of
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: people in the DRC have been killed, Millions have been
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: displaced from their homes, Millions are food insecure and living
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: in extreme poverty. It has devastating effects not only on
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: the people but also the land. The DRC recently filed
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: a criminal lawsuit against Apple. Time will tell how that
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: pans out, but Overall, this is one of the most
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: significant human wor violations happening in the world currently, and
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: not many people are talking about it. It does not
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: get really any Western mainstream news coverage. So I just
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: wanted to take this opportunity to help spread awareness about this.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Listeners can help by boycotting the aforementioned companies. You can
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: change the way you consume electronics. You can buy refurbished
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: instead of constantly buying new shit all the time. You
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: can donate to organizations that are providing aid to people
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: in the DRC. You can research, do your own research,
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: and spread your own awareness. There's lots more to learn.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: I've you know, what I've said just covers the basics,
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: but you know, there's lots to know.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: And we can leave some links in the description as well,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: for like a jumping off, because I think like that's
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: something that I feel also under informed on in general,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: and like, yeah, you don't know what you don't know,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: but once you write, you know, spread the information. I
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: thank you for doing that research. Kitlin.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: I've been learning about this myself for the past of
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: year or so and it's just like really horrifying, and yeah,
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: it is not being talked about because it is not
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: in the capitalist world's interest to talk about it or
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: draw attention to it.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: So and who owns most of our newspapers? Now, like,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: there's that's the rent that I can go on for
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: five thousand. I mean, I think this is unfortunately maybe
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: a good point to mention that Ben Stiller is I
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: guess I don't know exactly how to characterize, but he
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: last year released what could generously be described as a
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: very both sides, the statement about Palestine, and uh, the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: kind of both size, the statement that I feel indicates
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: that he's probably a Zionist. You can look it up
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: if you like. It did not sit well with me
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: at all, and that is just something to be aware
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: of as well.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, is there anything else anyone would like to talk
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: about regarding the movie Zoolander?
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: I'm so curious what someone like you're adjusting it. But
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: you're you're you were so young to me. You will
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: always be very young to me, Jamie, because you are
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: younger than me, which means you are a child. But no, no, no, no, no,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: You're you're a full of fledged adult. You have like
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: a huge resume. You're very impressive.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I'm seventeen, oh, Wow.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but then you've done so much. What a
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: young person today would think watching this, like they would
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: they get any of the cameos because there's so many,
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: Like every scene is filled with celebrities, Like why is
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Natalie Portman in this movie? Lenny Kraft this movie?
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Like Christian Slater. We got a Cuba Gooding junior beast,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: like Lenny Kraviat Fabio.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I got like two out of three.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Every there were a few that I'm like, I don't know,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I honestly, and this is like fucked up. But like
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I sometimes don't know who David Ducovney is. But I like,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: once someonees like, that's David Ducovney, I'm like, right, but
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I just never watched The X Files. I certainly didn't
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: watch Californication, so he's just like not on my radar.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Fair, I wonder. I mean, a young person watching this,
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they would look at Gary Shandling and be like, oh, yeah,
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: it's Gary.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Get that right away.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: You would definitely be in the front row at fashion.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Week Fashion Week, Gary Shaner, for sure. Fred Durst is
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: Fred Durst? Is there?
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Fred Durst? That was fun?
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: That was fun. I don't even think you can call
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: it a cameo because it's well and ink spoiler for
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: the movie Y two K. But he's like a full
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: character in that movie.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Also in I saw the TV Glow, Yes, Fred Durst
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: is a full on.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Actually a twenty four darling.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: I don't remember that at all.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: You didn't see it. Wait, you did see Fred Durston.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: I saw the TV Glow all, I saw.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: The movie, but I don't remember him being in that
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: the dad Yeah that's Red Durst.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Jane Schoenbrun is so diabolical with casting. I love their
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: casting because it was like Connor, O'Malley and Fred Durst
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: and I saw the TV Glow You're like, sure, yeah, yep,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: fred Durst does. I think a great job in that
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: movie too.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I mean he's at least unrecognizable as Fred Durst.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: If he's not wearing.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: He's not wearing a hat. That might be why you
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: didn't see.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: If he's not wearing his like backwards just a little
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: outred Yankees hat or whatever the fuck. I don't know
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: who that is exactly.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: God, that is the year two thousand and one to
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: me is like Nelly with the band aid and Fred
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Durst with the hat. Nelly also, I believe recently performed
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: at a Trump event.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: I'm like, what the yeah, he performed at the inauguration.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I think, oh my god, Lord, and for what?
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: And for what?
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Snoop Dog as well?
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: There is sup Dog. You're not getting enough money from
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: all that Martha Stewart bullshit and all of your product endorsements,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: like bruh, you don't have unforced error, you don't have
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: to do this.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: What could you possibly need at this point? I just
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: don't understand.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, but hey, Tyson Beckford is also in the movie.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: So is that a hot man?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: He's one of the few male models that I can
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: actually aim or he was oh wow.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was bigger back in the day. Who else?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: DJ Paris Hilton makes a cameo.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: She does our coworker DJ Paris. I actually don't even
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: know if she still has a podcast. She was briefly
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: our quote unquote callworker.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Nice anyway, Yeah, sorry, I think we cut you off, Canise,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: because I just had to go on a tirade about
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: all the cameos.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: I love the fact that it is such a timestamp
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: exactly this time. But yeah, I have a four year
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: old nephew. I love him so much. I wouldn't show
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: him this movie yet. I mean he has watched like
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: Captain America Civil War and that's on his parents, but
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: so I wouldn't show him this yet. He also wouldn't
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: get it and he'd be bored out of his mind.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: But when he's like twelve, I want to be like, now,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: tell me who any of these people are? Are like
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: just you'll have.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: No I also love as you like get older, listening
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: to like what my like younger cousin who's like I
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: think she's nineteen now, where like she knows who will
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Ferrel is, but she her the thing she knows him
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: from is completely different, where like she would be like, oh,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: it's well, I mean I guess she might know elf,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: but like she'd be like, oh from Barbie, oh Farrel
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: from the movie Barbie.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know this are yeah, this this is
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: how time works.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Time. Yeah.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: I would also would they because there's a lot in
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: this movie that we're like, oh that's not so great,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: but we still think it's funny. But yeah, if you
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: weren't around, then would you think this is funny?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I don't know I think
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: that this central like criticism holds up well. I also
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: think the character of Zoolander does generally hold up. I mean,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the worst thing about this movie by a country mile
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: is the black face and brown face sequence, especially because
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: we know that Ben Stiller was weirdly obsessed with doing
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: that in the two thousands, just makes it all the worse.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: But like I do like there's elements of this movie
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: that I found surprisingly good and effective. Okay, and the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: jokes are like I feel like anyone should be able
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: to laugh at the ant joke. That's a good joke.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: A center for ants, It's a good joke.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: It is a solid joke.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: There's a really funny joke when Derek and Matilda first
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: show up to Hansel's place to be like, we need
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: a safe spot to hang out because Derek is being
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: brainwashed into killing the Prime Minister of Malaysia, and Hansel
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: just goes like yeah, so like yeah, this is normal.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: And then when he's introducing everyone to them, when they're
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: like going through the house and he's like, hey, everyone,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: this is Derek and Matilda. They're just hanging out here
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: for a few days because Derek has been brainwashed and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: did it and everyone's just like, oh, yeah, hey, it's
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: so normal to all these people. That is comedy. There's
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: other grat I mean Derek's tiny little cell phone. Yes,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: oh my god, that's comedy.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: The tiny little cell phone. You can't beat the time.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I love a tiny little cell phone. For a while,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: my dear friend Jake would do that, and I thought
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: it was his idea and I need to text him
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: about it because he never told me it was from Zoolander. Wow,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: he used to do that bit all the time. I
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, top ten funniest things I've ever seen
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: in my life, fully just from Zoolander.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: So many funny things that people do and say I
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: think have been pulled from.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: I believe it.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I was mortified, but I was like, all right, I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: can I guess I can wait till I see him
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: in person next time. But regardless, how dare you deceive?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: You should definitely my call him out, my.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Young I mean, maybe he just thought I would know.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I was like, Jake's hilarious bit
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: the tiny phone.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Not so anyway, does anyone have anything else they'd like
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: to discuss.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: Based on the conversation about the Congo. This is not
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: the most mentally healthy response to that. But I was like, okay,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: so we need is like a Zoolander plus the death
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: of Stalin.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Oh I still haven't seen it, like plus like oh, what's.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: The the tech show that MILNJIOHANNYI put those three things
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: together to like lambast the tech industry, although I say
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: that knowing that no major studio would give that money,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: nor distributors or distribute it. So somebody definitely has to
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Someone else just has to do it independently.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Figure it out.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: We can do it. We'll do it.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: Let's okay, let's do it.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Let's do it done.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: The movie, I think does pass the Bechdel test when
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Matilda and Katinka talk about Matilda's outfit and it's from Kmart,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: and then finally at the end, Matilda's like, no, it's
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: the something something line and I got it at j C.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: Penny on sale, and that passes the Bechdel test.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: So are there still j C Pennies?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, there's one in the Glendale Galleria.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I was about to say, I will occasionally get something
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: a little overpriced and a little ugly at the Glendale
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Galleria j C. Penny.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: I bought a red dress that I wore for Halloween
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: for the substance costume. Amazing, and I got that at
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: JC Penny.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Shout out this. This podcast is not sponsored by jay
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Z Penny, but I guess we're saying that we're.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: Open to it.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: I guess so. Yeah. So it does pass the Bechdel test. However,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: on our nipple scale, I scale where we rate the
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: movie zero to five nipples based on examining it through
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: an intersectional feminist lens. Okay, I'm gonna give it two nipples,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: and here's why. Okay, you know, from an intersectional feminist
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: point of view, it doesn't hold up particularly well, and
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: there are many jokes that are very problematic and very cringey.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: But the overall story that calls attention to oligarchs exploiting
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: labor in the global South timely and killing people over it,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: this was relevant then, it's relevant now. The fact that
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: a comedy movie is about that is I think pretty cool.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: So normally I would give this movie something closer to
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: like one nipple, but I'm gonna give it to because
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: of the just premise, and I'm gonna give one nipple
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: to Derek's tiny cell phone, and I'm gonna give the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: other nipple to Billy Zane's cameo.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I think I will meet you there for basically the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: same reason that this movie was doing more than I
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: thought it was going to. It makes a point that
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think any movie does, certainly not a comedy
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: about exploitation and labor. I do feel like the way
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: that the president of Laisa, I forgot to says earlier
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: is presented pretty cartoonish, Yes, for sure, and that felt pointed.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: There's not much in terms of intersectional feminism. The movie
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: is extremely white and yet does manage to feature blackface,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: which I'm going down to one and a half. And
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: I think with the Matilda character, were like hinting at
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: something productive to say, but then ultimately the movie kind
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: of bails on it.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I like that she's the smartest character though, like I.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Know, but like when the smartest character is also the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: most boring character, which is that's a skill issue, that's
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: a writing skill issue. Anyways, I'm going to give it
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: a nipple and a half. It's it's because its objectively,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: if you're just watching a movie, it's so fucking funny.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I totally understand why people still love it, and the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: presentation of like masculinity I think is imperfect, but way
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: better than I was expecting for a movie of this era.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Like I think if you put Zoolander in that department
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: next to any other comedy from two thousand and one
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: besides Shrek, wo which is great in terms of male friendship,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Shrek and Donkey Hello. I have some thoughts, but well,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: I'm okay, we're not talking about Shrek anyways. Nipple and
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: a half they're both going to Zaane obviously interesting.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: I'm going to give this two nipples, one full nipple,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: two representations of male friendship, like you discuss like where
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: they are able to model the type of relationship that
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: aren't so insecure as to be fragile. It is like, hey,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: let's talk about our issues all that. But also, and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: we haven't mentioned this. Within the next two hours, they're
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: in a fuck pile together, like yes, six were flying.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: It wasn't like, oh, no, we're gay. It was like, hey,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: we all like coming, let's do it.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: It's so true. And they said Challengers was the first
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: It, not so not so those guys. Things went in
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: places in that pile and good for them. So that's
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: one nipple to that.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: And there was no no homo moment either, which I
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: feel like happens, and it.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: Was just like, hey, there was a moment when we
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: were all doing this and you two were vibing, but
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: I was definitely doing some some parts and I was like, yeah,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: you go, dude. So one full nipple to that, then
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: half a nipple to Mila Jovic because I think she's
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: very funny and she makes me laugh. But then truly
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: a full half of a nipple to the way that
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: Will Ferrell says her last name, which always makes me bad.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: It's good and I can't do it.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: Exactly, but it's like, you'll have no, no, no, no,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: I'm like perfect, So two niffles.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: For me, perfect, Canise. It's always a treat to have you.
• 1:10:19
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• 1:10:23
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• 1:10:24
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• 1:10:26
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• 1:10:30
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• 1:10:35
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• 1:10:37
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• 1:10:40
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• 1:10:41
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• 1:10:48
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• 1:10:53
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• 1:10:57
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• 1:10:59
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• 1:11:01
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• 1:11:03
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• 1:11:08
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• 1:11:10
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• 1:11:14
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• 1:11:16
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• 1:11:19
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• 1:11:35
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• 1:11:38
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• 1:11:42
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• 1:11:45
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• 1:11:48
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• 1:11:49
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• 1:11:52
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• 1:11:56
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• 1:12:03
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• 1:12:07
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• 1:12:28
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• 1:12:30
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