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Episode 275: Travellers (SG-A 4.05) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Get into Gate episode two hundred and seventy five. Not
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  Speaker 1: really a milestone, but I feel like if we're doing blocks,
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  Speaker 1: that may as well be. Matthew, it's film good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, d tickles my city a little bit. I'm okay
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  Speaker 2: with that.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, five five scenes right.
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  Speaker 2: Two seventy five and feeling alive.
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  Speaker 1: I'll do sure, sureness, Oh God, here we go. I
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  Speaker 1: was going to say a very special episode this week.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sort of springing you, Maddie because we're going to
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  Speaker 1: take a rest from from Stargate this week, because Mattie
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  Speaker 1: really wanted to celebrate the fourth anniversary of Zack Snyder's
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  Speaker 1: Justice League, which.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Man, at least keep it on brand, and we
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  Speaker 2: could have talked about Brad Wright's show after Stargate called
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  Speaker 2: Travelers no one cares about Justice Leep.
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  Speaker 1: I literally saw it on Twitter when I was just
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  Speaker 1: in the bathroom two minutes before we pressure record. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just drop that in there, just just
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  Speaker 1: to piss you off.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to make a really dark joke right now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know I was gonna say, and then you
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  Speaker 2: can you can bleep it out.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: All I'm saying is I know exactly what you're going
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  Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, yeah, okay, you did it, but not
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  Speaker 1: in the way that I thought you would.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And a big shout out to our Patreon fans, who
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  Speaker 1: should I beat that for them?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't go for it. I've said it on
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  Speaker 2: the podcast before. I'm pretty sure at least on one
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  Speaker 2: of the podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's a funny audio space at the moment,
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  Speaker 1: especially like in this. I work in a radio station,
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  Speaker 1: obviously I'm on air, and all of a sudden, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just the last the last month has been a bit
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  Speaker 1: a bit funny about stuff that goes. You know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: mi to and you know, everyone's a bit funny about.
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  Speaker 2: What they I believe that calls for I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: thought so, buddy, Just to keep it really on rand,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely right, if you know, you know, it was a
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  Speaker 2: k y ky yeah something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well we are now, of.
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  Speaker 2: Course talking some stock actually got to be iykyk. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: sorry for the Sorry for all the dyslexics out there.
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  Speaker 2: Really had to have deuced chills and cringed.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that to you. Ot. We are of
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  Speaker 1: course talking travelers, travelous season number four, episode number five
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  Speaker 1: of Atlantis, Let's ripstright into the old synopsis and then
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  Speaker 1: have a gibber about this one. Imprisoned and forced to
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  Speaker 1: reactivate a radiation emitting dormant landing in spaceship, Shepherd sends
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  Speaker 1: a distress signal that attracts a wreath cruiser. Directed by
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  Speaker 1: William Wearing and written by Joe and Paul, which is
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  Speaker 1: it's funny, like again, I don't know that it's a
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  Speaker 1: pattern in Atlantis. But here we are, you know, on
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  Speaker 1: SG one we're like, they don't use the gate. They
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  Speaker 1: love earth Bound episodes, and here we are. We I
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  Speaker 1: mean we kind of see Atlantis for about eight seconds really,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like we're not going anywhere near Atlantis. We
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  Speaker 1: love getting away from Atlantis. We hate getting off Earth
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  Speaker 1: in SG one, so John Paul, Hey, they got a
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  Speaker 1: little thing. Yeah yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean before we get too far anyway, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: but that just happens to be how I feel about it.
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  Speaker 1: What do you.
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  Speaker 3: Think every time?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think? Every moment? I'm like, is this
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  Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to say something? Shoot straight in?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think? Mitchie?
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  Speaker 1: I am the first time Atlantis Watcher and yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: it's yeah, it was It's fine. It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we get some little tidbits here in there, Like the
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  Speaker 1: idea of of an Atlantean or Lantean ship that's been
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  Speaker 1: out there for dan thousand years is kind of fun.
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  Speaker 1: I like the idea of a of a group of
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  Speaker 1: people just like being what the episode the little Leonardo
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  Speaker 1: DiCaprio there, it is travelers that are just you know,
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  Speaker 1: from ship to ship and just sort of moving about
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  Speaker 1: and only you know, landing to stock up and otherwise
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  Speaker 1: just living out there in the in the varcens of space.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of fun. But yeah, like, yeah, it was fine.
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  Speaker 2: Like I have a really disturbing thought for you, and
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  Speaker 2: I know we're very early, but I can't. It's the
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  Speaker 2: elephant in the room, Laris, I believe, wasn't it? Was
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  Speaker 2: it Lara Laren Laren. She's essentially just Collier with boobs. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she's willing to do anything for her people.
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  Speaker 2: She wants, like she wants the ship. She was ready
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  Speaker 2: to kill John. She's ready, She's to do horrific things.
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  Speaker 2: But John's okay with it because he wants to.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. The episode starts with the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he's coming back from a visit off world somewhere and
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  Speaker 1: McKay's very jealous that he doesn't get to do it,
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  Speaker 1: and then John further antagonizes him by talking about how
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  Speaker 1: promiscuous they were. They're a bit sort of free and
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  Speaker 1: willy and they're loose and all that, and then yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he ends up being captured by I mean not to
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  Speaker 1: sound like an absolute male pig, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: say one of the sexiest characters we've had show up.
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  Speaker 1: There was something about the way she carried himself. It
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  Speaker 1: was sort of in and out just when she first
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  Speaker 1: shows up. And there's something about certain characters and TV
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  Speaker 1: shows that I have a real thing for when they
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  Speaker 1: just give a lot of cannot be attitude about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the way she's walked in and just sort of the
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  Speaker 1: half sort of shut eyes and the I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: the yeah, the just the real sort of resting bitch
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  Speaker 1: face that she gave John a lot there at the start,
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  Speaker 1: but also being really hard against him. The way she's
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  Speaker 1: dressed Uor it wasn't like she was showing off a
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  Speaker 1: lot of gear, at least not to my memory.
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  Speaker 2: But Yeah, she was in head to toe black leather
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  Speaker 2: with low cut boobs out. Oh right in that Okay,
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  Speaker 2: well the jacket came off. Once the jacket came because
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  Speaker 2: she did change at one stage, right, No, I just
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  Speaker 2: took the jacket off. Okay, right, so we're in the
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  Speaker 2: whole same thing the whole time. But just took the
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  Speaker 2: jacket off and then the jubblers were out.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we'll see. My piggery is certainly down because
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when I think Laren is a really cool character,
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  Speaker 2: and you know me, I love a strong female character,
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  Speaker 2: so that, you know, I love that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that I think doesn't age well for me
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  Speaker 2: in this episode that was a little bit like that
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  Speaker 2: is yet the sexual tension stuff, because think about it,
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  Speaker 2: if you replace Jill Wagner who plays Laren. Okay, put
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  Speaker 2: Robert Darvey in this episode and then had the episode
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  Speaker 2: play out the exact same way, Robert Darvey and John Shepherd,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hiding in the little closet together, getting real close,
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  Speaker 2: the sexual like, it doesn't it doesn't age well, like
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  Speaker 2: he's She's done potentially just as many horrific things as
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  Speaker 2: Colia has. Yeah, but she gets a pass because he
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  Speaker 2: likes the way she looks, you know what I mean
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  Speaker 2: to me, that takes away the agency of this really interesting,
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  Speaker 2: cool leader character. That's the thing that I think is
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  Speaker 2: very kind of two thousand and seven about this, and
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  Speaker 2: the fact that it's an all male writing team on
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  Speaker 2: this show, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And adding I guess to the betrayal at the end
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  Speaker 1: where you know, he does the right thing. He comes in,
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  Speaker 1: he rescues her, they reverse Raitha and she comes back
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  Speaker 1: to life, and they sort of you know, she's clearly
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  Speaker 1: very happy to have been saved reverse raithing.
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  Speaker 2: Not to be confused with avert soultronic.
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  Speaker 1: No, absolutely very different, a very different positioning, yes, And
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  Speaker 1: then you know they're clearly getting close. John, who's very happy,
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  Speaker 1: I think from the moment he locked eyes with her,
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  Speaker 1: was very happy for things to get to where they
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  Speaker 1: got to and then her to dive into it, only
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  Speaker 1: to then pull the gun out and stick it under
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  Speaker 1: his ribs and he's like, oh, you've got to be
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  Speaker 1: kidding me, And I'm like, ah, is a bit of
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  Speaker 1: like you bitch about it, like how why would you?
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  Speaker 1: Why would you do that and get that far? And
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  Speaker 1: it's like dude, the whole episode I've shown you I
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  Speaker 1: am willing to do whatever it takes. I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: bad person. I'm just bad to you because you're not
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  Speaker 1: one of my people, and I'm trying to look after
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  Speaker 1: my people. So if we get to like a Colier episode, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and and Coli was teaming up with John and we
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  Speaker 1: get to the end of that, he betrays him, Like yeah, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense Collie would do that, whereas this, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: what how dare you? He was? He was romantically interested,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Which, by the way, he's like post nut clarity, like,
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  Speaker 2: recharge time must be really quick because, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: like we're assuming when we meet him at the start
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  Speaker 2: of the episode he's just had essentially an Augie weekend away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you think you know it'd be the spirit
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  Speaker 2: is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised as
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  Speaker 2: the same Futurama. But no, he's ready to go with
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  Speaker 2: Larning again. And I'm like, mate, the recharge time is impressive,
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  Speaker 2: but she's a psychopath. YEA like that, Like it was.
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  Speaker 1: Really the attraction for John.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the danger he's into like nipple play and just
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of a little bit of torture porn,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, the whole thing where she pushes him into
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  Speaker 2: the shuttle bay and then like opens up the doors
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  Speaker 2: and he's just just surviving on the force field underneath
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  Speaker 2: his feet is really cool, a really cool idea, really
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  Speaker 2: cool visual, but also yeah, completely psychopathic, knowing that these
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  Speaker 2: ships are basically falling apart and that force field could
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  Speaker 2: fail at any time.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought that Joe Flanagan played that quite well
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  Speaker 1: because obviously he's trying to come off a lot tougher
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  Speaker 1: than probably what he is in that moment. He's trying
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  Speaker 1: to look like he's completely fine with whatever's going on,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm willing to walk along, probably because too she's
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, necessarily it's like, oh she's a woman,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be able to talk her around, or she's not
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  Speaker 1: as tough as she looks. But he's obviously maybe he
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  Speaker 1: feels like he's in a more believable position to look
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  Speaker 1: tougher because it's not a colier or whatever it might be,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe it's absolute piggery and it is as two
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  Speaker 1: dimensional as what maybe it's being played off, where he's
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  Speaker 1: like she's hot and I'm just gonna flirt with her
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  Speaker 1: Sean James Bond style. It's like, yeah, yeah, I'll eventually
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  Speaker 1: you know where you're down. It's fine, And and then
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  Speaker 1: she does that move locks him in the room, force
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  Speaker 1: fields the floor, takes away the bay doors, and he's
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  Speaker 1: looking at like, oh shit, like he's in some real strife.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought, Okay, good, you're playing that well because
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you realize that she she clearly
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  Speaker 1: wants something from you. There's a very small chance she's
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  Speaker 1: actually going to do it if you're willing to play ball.
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  Speaker 1: But I still thought that he played that quite well
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  Speaker 1: considering what Shepherd had shown us in the five minutes
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  Speaker 1: leading up to that scene. So yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Something I do like about Laren is that she kind
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  Speaker 2: of played the way are they calling in like the
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  Speaker 2: James Bond Maybe it's like the honeypot or whatever it is,
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  Speaker 2: Like she was using her sexuality.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, she knew.
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  Speaker 2: She was like, you are just a simple creature. I
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  Speaker 2: know exactly what to do with you and know how
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  Speaker 2: to get exactly what I want.
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  Speaker 1: So we are But men remained in takes. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: there's just there's a shot. She's sitting at the table obviously. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: sleeves got the how did you the job? Lovely if
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: you're talking in Austin powers terms, and just yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: it's not necessarily when I say this, not a sexual way,
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  Speaker 1: but just a very sexy way, like sitting there, just
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  Speaker 1: the power of the scene, the leadership that she carries,
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  Speaker 1: the I will do this to you, I will kill you,
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  Speaker 1: and I will not lose a minute of sleep over
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  Speaker 1: it tonight. So yeah, I know, I thought, I thought
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  Speaker 1: she was really good, and I.
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  Speaker 2: Do want if anyone can make any fan fiction of
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  Speaker 2: Collier wearing that same outfit, go for it, Robert, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, put him in VALA's you know, Avalon outfit.
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  Speaker 2: See how actually that'd be interesting. I would actually love
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  Speaker 2: to see an episode of Laren and Vala and see
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  Speaker 2: who could out sex kitten like honeypot the other you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon, I reckon. Laren would kill Vala very quick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Varla's a little more fun. Laren's very no nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, they're just like, hey, I talk my
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  Speaker 1: way through it. Allowed Oh my god, just boom, just
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. No, it's actually worth my It's worth three
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  Speaker 1: of my people dying and a month of starvation than
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  Speaker 1: to listen to your ship.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, speaking of boom though, did you notice no,
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  Speaker 2: well we get the we get the origin of Ronan's gun.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, yes, no, well just I mean the moment
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  Speaker 1: he's I've always wondered where Yeah, so he picked that
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  Speaker 1: up and ran off to use it, right did Okay,
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  Speaker 1: now I'm forgetting already. Did that go home with him?
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  Speaker 1: Or did that get sacrificed and left in the ship.
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  Speaker 1: So we're committed to only having one of those weapons
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  Speaker 1: on the show.
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  Speaker 2: And conveniently, Ronan seems to have infinite cartridge and real quick, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, this is the first time, you know, we're
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  Speaker 2: in season four. Ronan was introduced beginning of season two.
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  Speaker 2: This is the first time AMMO has ever been an
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  Speaker 2: issue for one of those weapons. I mean, could be fair,
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  Speaker 2: Laryn did unload the entire essential clip on the door
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  Speaker 2: when she was locked in the thing, so you could argue.
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  Speaker 1: That overheat the crystal type thing, and yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like, well why is why is that never
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  Speaker 2: an issue? The only issue for Ronan is whether it's
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  Speaker 2: set to stun or kill, And.
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  Speaker 1: We've never had with any energy based weapon or like
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  Speaker 1: staff weapons.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Raith weapons, the stunners that yeah, nothing, no,
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  Speaker 2: there was only that one was at the fifth Race
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  Speaker 2: where you know, ancient O'Neill pulled the little the little
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  Speaker 2: liquid vial out of the staff weapon power the pseudo
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  Speaker 2: ZPM like ZPM. But yeah, that's all we've ever really
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  Speaker 2: sort of done. But yeah, nothing's ever run out of
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  Speaker 2: charge or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a shame that we didn't get to get
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  Speaker 1: to collect a couple just to just to add their arsenal,
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  Speaker 1: like you don't.
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  Speaker 2: So they didn't have to always go and make sure
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: we picked Ronan's back up again at the end of just.
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  Speaker 1: Have him walking around like two guns, like he looks
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  Speaker 1: great when he's walking through like the cop stance, you know,
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  Speaker 1: straight up yeah, but to walk around with two.
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  Speaker 2: Two like Tilk with his double oozy's and yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just to even mimic that she that's scene that show
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  Speaker 1: of teal once in a yeah, yeah, oh my god, god,
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  Speaker 1: I wish we got that.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine you have one set to done, one set to kill.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: You on the left, you just forget which one are
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  Speaker 1: you using?
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  Speaker 2: Whoop see yeah, yeah, yeah, speaking of Tilcough as a
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  Speaker 2: sideways move into it.
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  Speaker 1: No Carter in this episode, no, which I thought was
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, we're not on Atlantis, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the story very much is not on Atlance's.
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  Speaker 1: But even the sort of cutbacks to speaking to McKay
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  Speaker 1: and whatnot, very very minimal, and like most rescues, we
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: would obviously have to check with the boss like, hey,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: is this worth it? If we take a jumper? Are
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: we able to go and do this? But I guess
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  Speaker 1: Shepherd is always a part of those rescues. Maybe when
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  Speaker 1: it's about Shepherd, we're just to assume he's the head
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: military guy in the base, like you know, well, I
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: guess not anymore. We've got to you know, it's clearly
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: getting the approval to go to go.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: And again I'm I'm thinking about the the behind the scenes,
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: like the the our universe, real world like contracts and
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, because I feel like one of
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: the reasons they got rid of Weir is because originally
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: they wanted her to be the Hammond, and Hammond wasn't
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: in every episode. Sometimes you just had one little scene.
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe they might have and this is me
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: talking out of school, but I think maybe Tory might
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: have had something in her contract where you know, she
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: had to be in every episode or had to have
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: a set, you know, whatever it may be, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And because obviously, if you think about it, there was
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  Speaker 2: never an episode where there was no wir No, there
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  Speaker 2: was never an episode even if yeah, she just had
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  Speaker 2: one scene. So I think that might have been a
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: contractual thing and maybe one of the reasons that they
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: got rid of Tory. And again I wish they'd have
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: kept Toy and then just maybe done with because I
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: think originally they want to do they wanted to reduce
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: her to recur or something like that was the idea,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: and then they kind of just wrote around it instead.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm wondering if maybe when they when they bumped
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Tory and hired Amanda, I wonder if in Amanda's contract
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: they said, look, we're not going to use you for
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: every episode. And I'm sure her coming off ten years
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: right of Atlanta, she'd be like, that is totally fine.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: If I'm going from number two on the call sheet,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: we're working a six day work week and having to
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: memorize monologues of technobabble popping in every second week and
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: doing doing one scene and probably taking home the same
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: amen pay.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: She'd I think per episode be more expensive then.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, her hourly rate has skyrocketed in Atlantis, Like if
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: she's getting paid hourly.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and her daughter would have been at least
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: a fair few years ago. Yes, what was what was?
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: She had maternity leave at the start of season nine.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like an ideal time to like, hey,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I'm going back to work and going back to Stargate,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: but my hours are reduced and I'm not required every
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: single week, So it's probably like the ideal run for
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: a Manta tapping at this point. But yeah, so just
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I think maybe it's just I wonder what watching it
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: at the time would have been like to have her
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: introduced as the new hair of the of the expedition,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: but then to not see her week and week out
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: for those first.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Episode episode five, she's already not here and like she's
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: only been official head of the base since last week.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's weird. Yeah, yeah, they did. They did
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: do these episodes out all out of all, like at
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: least the first seven or eight you were saying.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: So, I would almost wager that this episode was written
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: last year or something like that. When we didn't know
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Amanda was going to like Kata was going to be
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: on the show. They probably just reworked it and just
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: taken out the But yeah, I guess it would make
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: sense to just give the tory scenes to Carter, but
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: in this in this episode. But yeah, maybe it's part
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: of a contract that she just doesn't have to be
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: there every week.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: And there's nothing in this episode specifically that you know
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: where it starts. You're not necessarily coming off the back
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: of anything. He's just especially that John's there by himself
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: or you know whatever with another team.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: This could be episode ten, this could be episode eight,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: It can go anywhere.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact they don't bring any of those weapons
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: home or anything like that, he doesn't ring the Lantin ship, right, Like,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: it's what they said. I know there's a reset, but
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: how do you refer do it with I think you
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: said it about the Simpsons one time because I'm introducing
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: my kids and you're like, oh, the fact that you know,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: each episode you know begins you know, yeah week that
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: reset button, nothing that happened last week carries over. So
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: this could have been episode twenty and the last before
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: we get into the two episode finale or something like.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: It really made no difference. But I other than I
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: guess we're keeping our options open for having the Travelers,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I don't like to spoil things for anybody, so I'm
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: not gonna I'm not going to give you any hints.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just again, I'm just looking at
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the photo I just showed you, and I'm like, oh
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: my god, it's such a sexy look. She was so hot. Well,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: if I'm saying that's hand like an absolute pig. But like,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: and there were moments I watched some of this and
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: then I had to stop, and I didn't get back
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: to it for a couple of days, and then I'm like,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you know what, when I go back, I'm going to
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: rest out the episode. I thought, well, at least that
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: sort of you know, like teenage sort of moment that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: had when she walked on like oh wow, simple, simple,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: But we get mate. I find there were, like, you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: other actresses that I'm probably like far more fond of
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: or something. There was just a moment just the again,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the power of the presence that she walked into that
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: scene carrying that I just it was just something about
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: it well, I just found incredibly engaging and it was
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: so simple, and I just like, yeah, I'd love to
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: see that again.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Well, look, I've got good news for you. I'm not
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: going to spoil anything Laron related, but if you do
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: want a little bit of a Jill Wagner fix the
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: thing that I know her best ole. Yeah, MTV's teen Wolf,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the Teen Wolf reboot years ago. She's she's a recurring
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: character in that plays like a kind of a villain
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: to begin you know, she's very kind of morally gray,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: kind of very very good in that. She's a blonde
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: in that too, which she's almost unrecognizable because obviously I
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: saw this before I saw Teen Wolf, because Teen Wolf
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: came out two thousand and ten, twenty twelve, whatever it was.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: It took me years to realize it was the same actress, right,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: very very different. So you want something a little more recent,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: you can check out special Ops Lioness across Zoe Saldana.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I believe we're all saying.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: That's I'm just looking at a photo anounce his image
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of Lioness, But I didn't pick. I haven't watched that show,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and I would really really want to.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: You'll get a little bit of Uh. We were Wagner
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: We were just talking during the week about how much
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: we love Paramount Plus is a streamer.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a fantastic app. The user interface is so
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: good and all the new Star Trek content that you're
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: that's great. So I mean, they cancel Discovery, So that's
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: one thing in my favor. And if you want a
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: little bit of across the universe.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I mean you say that I could have played it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: It's fine. It's not official something. It's not an official one,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: but you can check out twenty eighteen's Braven featuring Jason
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Momoa and Jill Wagner, iang On and Stephen Lang from Avatar,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: which then connects it to Zoe.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Saldana hang On has it has Braven got a different
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: name in Australia. I feel like I'm looking at the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: images for that and I feel like I recognize that,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: but I've never heard of that title before.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: But anyway, just on the IMDb I looked it up.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: It's over at the people. I read Amazon Prime Video,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: which you can obviously watch great people. I won't say great,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: but you know, because obviously they own MGM, so you
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: can watch Stargate content on Prime if you want to
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: pay an additional fees. So I'm already I'm already paying
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the fee and the level of subscription that I was
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: six months ago that was AD free, but now I'm
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: paying that extreme fee to watch ads, and then I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: also would have to pay more to watch shows that
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: you already owns. It's look, it's it's it doesn't it
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: really doesn't matter, clearly, I'm over it. But yeah, I
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of Jason MoMA movies that
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I've added to my watch list on several different streaming
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: services and I just haven't gotten around to watch, you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: so and hey, it's not even that it's just his
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I still haven't seen the last Fast and
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Furious movie where he was the villain and me neither.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: That's like a massive movie and part of a giant
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: blockbuster franchise.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So there's a blonde Jill Wagnafoyer.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think that's actually the main photo that
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: pops up when you google it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's her IMDb photo.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nice, nice farto.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: But I just love the fact that's, you know, her Mamoa.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Stephen Langens always.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Lost a lot of sci fi crossover there. Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and your mate Garrett Dilla.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Hunt Ah, I love that big man.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in Breving too. We were talking before about
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Carter and her not being the episode, and you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: we're talking about money and stuff like that. Maybe they
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: just couldn't afford it, because according to the trivia for
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: this episode, the Travelers set, like the Traveler's ship set, yeah,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: cost two hundred thousand dollars.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Geez.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: It's one of the most expensive episodes of the entire series,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: which means it puts it up there with old Cooper
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: when he made Sea or whatever.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: He was so happy with that too. I wonder whether
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Will were as Yeah. Yeah, I guess I didn't have
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to spend that amount of ca Yeah. Okay, so what
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: about it because there was obviously there were like several
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: different areas like rooms that we were in. But I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: feel like.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: All the wires and things.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of them could have just been redressed
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: areas that we've already used before. Surely you would think
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it very strange.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe they were willing to redress a go old set. Yeah,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: they had to create a whole new one.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Or take down all the shit in a Wraith set. Yeah,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and make it less organic. I don't know. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: It didn't jump out at me as being a particularly
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: striking set, Like it looked like shit, Like obviously it
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: was meant to because these ships are kind of falling
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: apart and that kind of stuff. But yeah, I guess
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: it's one of those things where intentionally making something look
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: distressed and horrible it actually cost a fortune, and compared
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: to just making a nice, clean, pretty set.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: It did. I guess it had to get to this
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: stage because it was still too early in the episode.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: But like, obviously he sends a signal out. We see
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the Atlantis team receive that signal, and then two minutes
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: later they bust in, what are you doing? What have
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you done? He's like, ah, yeah, I got I got
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: my friends come and they're like yeah, there's a ship coming,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: but it couldn't be your friends or he's like, oh,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it's too soon whatever, and then it's like bang race
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: ship and you're like, oh, yeah, that's right. Damn, Like
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that's also a thing that could happen. And I don't
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: know that I expecause I didn't read the synopsis before
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I go and to watch an episode. Yeah, but I
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: just figured it would be some type of gunfight or
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: a chase scene rather than oh the raith of here,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and that's going to complicate things. But I guess, yeah,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: we needed them to you know, team up and her
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to lose a few comrades along the way. And again,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they're setting up in the future
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: to bring her back, to bring her people back. It
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: feels like I don't know. I don't even though they
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: leave it open ended, I don't feel like it's an
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: open ended that will remain open. I get that watching
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it knowing that this show has two seasons left, and
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that again, she's an interesting and good looking female character
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: that has had ties with our main male character, So
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: we're going to bring that sexual tension back at some
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: states she's not ascended, so they can bring it back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Actually,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just skimming back through the episode, and like, there
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: are there is a lot more set dressing and uh
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and even like I guess what would be their bridge.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: There's obviously some digital screens that were VFX put in after,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: but then there are clearly you know, plastic screens that
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: were there, you know, lit up with with you know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: underlights and all that sort of stuff that are there,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and like you said, the wires that are hanging down,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and there's a I don't know's there are clearly a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: lot there's a lot of building, even if you're just
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: building new walls to put on the inside of other
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: hallways that you've already got. There is a lot more
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: set dressing than probably what I remembered while watching it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: That it's strange to think that they would go to
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: that effort, giving we spend most of the episode on
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the Aurora class ship, which we already have that set,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you know, just you know, it's a redress of the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the Aurora and the Orion and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: it is weird that they would spend that amount of
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: money and that amount of time and detail, given that
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: we found out what last week or the week before.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: The reason they had to shoot these episodes out of
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: order is because like the Wraith set for the Ronan
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: episode had to be rebuilt. Yeah, you know, so it's
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: weird that they would then spend all the time of
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: money on this set for not to get a lot
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: of screen time.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and even just going back through and looking at
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: some moments to the episode, like the betrayal at the end,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you know whether or not that well, that's always where
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: she was going to go because she's looking after her
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: people and she's willing to do whatever she can and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff that I think helps the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: fact that in the middle, well, she does put up
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a pretty good fight with the Wraith. You know, John's
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the one that comes in and shoots it in the
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: back to save her. She's not necessarily a damsel in distress,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: but they do give her a moment just prior to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: meeting that wraith where they make her into an idiot.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And she seems like a very smart character, very smart leader.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: But there is a moment where he's clearly tracking her,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and then he's trying to talk her down while she's
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: roaming the hallways and like, look, I'm in control of
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the ship. Just calm down, Look we'll look after you.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Just just listen, do what I say for a second,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: because I've had to deal with these people and these
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: creatures before. Blah blah blah. And then he's like, oh,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: hang on, hang on, there's a life force ahead of you.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, it's my friend, and he's written
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I just stop. She's like oh, is it you, Maddie,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: is it you? And it's like to shut You're only
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: doing that because it's not going to be him.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: If it was him, you would just go and open
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: up the door and you would find him. But they
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: have to make her look like an idiot and then
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: put her in a bit of distress.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And have her running heels exactly. But then he was missing,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, I've twisted my ankle.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, scary movie style. But then you know, for the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: rest of the episode, she's quite like, you know, John's
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: equal in the sense where every decision that he makes,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: she's putting up an argument that she could think of
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: something better and they should be handling it different.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: And it was a nice game of chest in that
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: she could outwit him as regularly as he could outwit her,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Like he would do something, she would counter, he would
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: encounter and again, back and forth. I think my favorite
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: one though, was the one where you know, there's the
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: two idiots that Larren's working with that like with him
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: on the bridge and they're like just go, and he's
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: like you sure you want me to go? And they're
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: like yes, You're like, well, you should have told me
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: to turn the inertial damas on first. When they bang,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: it's the accelerator and they just fly into the back wall.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good moment. I love that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: And did you did you notice the bit from the
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: start of the episode where he was like doing the whole,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: mister fantastic thing again, So they brought that back from
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the first strike where they're doing the whole. So I
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: thought that was that was a nice little callback to
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: a very traumatic episode for me. I did like though,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: and again I'm glad, I'm glad Brendan's not here for
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: this on because I feel it would be traumatic for him.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: But there was a there was a moment that I
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: very much resonated with quite a lot.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Remember I said sometimes there's nothing we can do.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I was right about that.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Only it turns out this is not one of those times.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Just the word play the way to just get around
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: and say sorry I was wrong. Yeah, I felt that
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: in my bones, like lutily, this is not one of those.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Times, just so everybody knows I did it, And I'm
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: just yeah, looking at the final scene now again and
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you know they're back in the base, they're they're you know,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: eating together and for it to be bookended with those
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: moments of of Macags again being pissed off.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Oh she was hot, wasn't she? She was?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: You just why can't I just get the one with
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the sexy alien? It's like I was waiting for that.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: What's that line going to be? And if we're sitting
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: here worried about watching it in twenty twenty five and going, oh,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: just the just the casual like again just you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: making an objective thing and.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what about her personality? Guys? What's Oh that's right,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: she's just like kind a killer. Oh okay, but she's hot,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: so it's okay, Well.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't need to go too crazy, but
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: you know, like him just to be like, oh, why
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: can't I And it was a sort of softened approach.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: It's almost like someone's went back and rewritten the scene
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: ten years afterwards, rather him just going oh, I just
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: have well can I just have sex all the aliens?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Like let's just go back to I'll just clean up,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and going why can't I just be in a situation
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: where someone's better looking And it's like, yeah, okay, that's
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: that's that's better. So you know, just like it's like
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: little team bonding and chemistry moments when for the most
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: part they're completely separated, like at the start, you know,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: like Joe Flannagan shooting that by himself just in the
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: in the jumper set, saying those lines and then saying
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: for McKay and David Hillett's just spitting at those lines.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: But the chemistry, like they know their characters, they know
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: their characters chemistry with the other characters, and for that
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to then come together at the end where all four
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: actors or at least those two are sitting together and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the one scene at the one set and for it
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: to carry over and feel completely natural and like it
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: was a sort of sequel scene to the first one,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Like it's just I don't know, but like un like that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I feel like I feel like the show
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: itself is kind of course correcting, and especially this season,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: we're seeing already a lot more of those commissary scenes
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: where they're sitting down in joining a meal together and
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: chatting and things like that. Like there was maybe one
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: last season with like Ultimate Rodney and stuff like that.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think they've realized that. You know, we're
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: into season four now, and I think the audience wasn't
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: as in love with these characters as we all were
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: with SG one by the time we got to season four,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: you know, because there wasn't as many of those sort
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: of character moments together. Yeah, this shows a lot more
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I think, action driven and sci fi driven.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: SG one, especially the early seasons, was much more character driven.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It just shows, Yeah, how important something as simple
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: as them just sitting around is. Like, there's that show.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's completely separate to what we're talking about,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: but that's that show Blue Bloots and Tom Selleck is
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the head with Donnie Wahlberg and Bridget Monaghan and they're
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a family of cops and lawyers and they're the law.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: They're the order of the city. They and every scene
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: or sorry, every episode there is a family dinner scene,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: or I think at least like most the article I
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: read most I watched the first couple of seasons that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: show fell off, and I think it went on for
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: six a long time, like twelve seasons, maybe sixteen. They've
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: had to do a spinoff, and some of the characters
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: are going to be coming back to do the spinoff,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's just your life is making the show,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: which is fine, but they said Tom Selleck, being the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: lead of the show, and I guess an executive producer
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: probably at that point, said I want a family dinner
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: scene in every episode because I want, no matter what's
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: going on in these characters lives, whatever the storyline is,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and whether there's you know, evil mad corruption in the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: police force, there's something going on within the city, I
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: want it still to remain about the core what this
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: show is about, this family who are representing different arms
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: of the law and public servants.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: And you've got to say family, family.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I should have had it. I should actually have that
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: on a hot key there, and it was clearly something
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that held that show. And I guess the ongoing narrative
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: of those characters together for you know, a decade and
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a half and then yeah, we get plenty of these
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: scenes and it's like, yeah, what do we want them
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: going off world and finding cool tech and fighting aliens
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and having these great discussions and religious sort of stuff
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and what. Yeah, absolutely, but having a scene where just
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: those four key characters are sitting around having a drink together,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: having a meal, and even when it's thirty seconds, three
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: minutes the other week and they're talking about horror movies,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: like I love listening to anyone talk about movies. But
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that went on and on and on, and I felt
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: like I was watching a group of friends just have
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: a regular conversation, and it helps.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: You care about the characters when they get into the peril.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: You're more invested.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: What was the psychologist that died and that she was
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: involved in that conversation? Wasn't she about horror films? Is
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: she there or they come to her afterwards?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to come to her, damn it.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I was there going Yeah, she was involved in that,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and I probably grew to care about her a little
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: bit more from those moments, only for them to kill her.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Often it means something.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: So hey, look, I've never seen an episode of Blue Bloods,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: but you know, if you like a show that has
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of family dinners, oh, I mean, obviously, it's Gilmore.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: You know. I don't want to say it's better than
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Blue Bloods because I haven't done the legwork, but I'm
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: just going to say that, you know, if you want
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: to see some top tier family dinners, you want to
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: check out Gilmore?
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Well, how how that I not raise you? But keep it?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Lauren Graham and parent, Who parent? Who barbecues going on?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: That lot of barbecues going there? Not as intense as
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls. Oh yeah, Friday night dinners on Gilmore Girls,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: that is a sport. You have to come prepare.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Who's going to that? There's two of them and then
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: her parents. Who else is four people?
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: It's four people? That a dinner. Oh, there's always there's
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: dinner guests extra. Yeah, but trust me, Emily and Laurel,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I at a dinner table that is more than enough.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, that is Stargate Atlantis travelers. How do I pronounced
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: this one for next week? Tabulraza?
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: It's not tabula I've come prepared for you.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, tabula rasa, Tabula rasa, tabula rasa. Thank you? Who's
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that talking?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: That is Alison Hagan That one time at band camp
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: she stuck a tabula rasa.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I was like thinking it was a sorry a Stargate actor. No,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: that's unless Alison Hannigan's coming into the show next week
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: is a little guest.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: No, but Buffy had an episode with the exact same
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: episode titles. So what is tabula rasa? It's Latin for
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: blank slate. Huh okay, yeah, really for someone who hasn't
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: seen the episode. That really doesn't help me. I'll give
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: you a little hint. In the Buffy episode, Willow casts
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: a spell. Yes, that ends with tabula rasa, Tabula rasa,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: tabula rasa, and everybody loses their memory.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: What their memory? Yeah?
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Wat's their memory?
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a little hint on what next week's
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: episode might be about. Okay, Yeah, I.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Asked him more questions. Why sport for myself to the
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: episode seventy six? It's not really a milester next week
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: we've done that. Now the next one will be episode three?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Under it, I mean we should we start playing I
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: mean episode two.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I mean it might already be on my calendar bait.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Oh bullshit.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty big episode two. If my math
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: checks out, it could be a potentially very big episode.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: All right. If we don't well, I was gonna say,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: if we don't have there'll be no specials on them,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: which won't number the special.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I believe it's technically it's the mid season finale for
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: season five show.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Of course it would be twenty five episode.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be episode three hundred.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, and it's a biggie mm hmmm, someone die.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe you want something to get into Gate.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Get into the Gate Stargate podcast.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Get into it now before it's too late.