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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 8-17-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: Having Monday. Everybody.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to The Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven to one FM,
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Speaker 2: proud part of ESPN's network here in Salt Lake City.
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Speaker 2: We've got great things coming up this week. We've got
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Speaker 2: great things coming up in the next couple of weeks.
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Speaker 2: Utah football season. Right around the corner. College football season
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Speaker 2: begins in what like ten days. Oh my gosh, oh
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Speaker 2: my gosh. NFL season preseason is underway. You're getting some
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Speaker 2: storylines out of really every corner of the country when
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Speaker 2: it comes to college football, is actually gonna inspire some
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Speaker 2: of what we talk about on the show today. Ari
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Speaker 2: Tempkin and Zach Moss are both gonna stop by on
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Speaker 2: the program this morning, well, it'll be afternoon already at
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Speaker 2: around twelve thirty Zach Moss in the one o'clock hour.
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Speaker 2: We've got an hour plus to start the show where
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Speaker 2: we're just talking about our predictions are prognostications for what
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Speaker 2: Utah football is going to be.
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Speaker 1: I got to give a.
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Speaker 2: Shout out to the bosses here at Broadway Media, which
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Speaker 2: includes for everything except the three hours that we're actually
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Speaker 2: on the show, which includes James Peterson. The O'Connell family
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Speaker 2: had a doozy of a week last week, man, and
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Speaker 2: I was out, then I was in, then I was
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Speaker 2: out again. And I appreciate all of you out there listening.
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Speaker 2: I know that you already deal with that because of
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Speaker 2: my duties on the PFL, and hopefully you're tuning in
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Speaker 2: and watching me for those. But this was family stuff
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Speaker 2: and health stuff, and again, very great grateful for the
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Speaker 2: health professionals up at Primary Children's and anyone who deals
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Speaker 2: with all that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 1: Everyone is fine, everyone is good.
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Speaker 2: We're all gonna be okay, and I'm incredibly, incredibly grateful
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Speaker 2: for that. But man, crazy week. So this week it
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Speaker 2: can only go up from here. I'm out again on
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Speaker 2: Friday for the final Summer Series event for the PFL.
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Speaker 1: We'll be in Tampa.
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Speaker 2: You can watch that on Saturday night on ESPN, and
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Speaker 2: then we're full speed ahead into the college football season,
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Speaker 2: and I'm super pumped for all of that. James Peterson
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Speaker 2: is behind the glass today. He's got some stuff he's
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Speaker 2: taken care of tomorrow and the next day, if I'm
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Speaker 2: not mistaken, So we're getting it all in, well, we're
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Speaker 2: getting it all out before we get into football season. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: for me, It's that even though this week is the
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Speaker 2: first week of school in Davis County where we live,
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Speaker 2: first day is not till Thursday, but it's it's first
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Speaker 2: week of school. The daycare, which is through Davis County
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Speaker 2: School District, doesn't open until next week, so I get
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Speaker 2: to hang out with the boy the next couple of days.
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Speaker 1: I like that.
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Speaker 2: That's uh, that will I will always endorse that being
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Speaker 2: a reason that you have to take off a day
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Speaker 2: or two.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thankfully nothing nothing like what you went through last week.
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Speaker 3: But also thankfully everything everybody's okay in the show O'Connell household, Yes.
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Speaker 1: Everything's gonna be all right. Uh we are.
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Speaker 2: We are lucky to live where we live and to
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Speaker 2: have the resources we have at our disposal when it
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Speaker 2: comes to health emergencies and things like that.
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Speaker 3: So I'm also just really glad that you finally uh
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Speaker 3: complied to the beard policy we have around. I was
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Speaker 3: hoping you would bring up if you're watching not YouTube,
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Speaker 3: that people are wondering if you're watching on the YouTube channel.
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Speaker 2: There comes a point in life, all of you young
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Speaker 2: kids out there, okay, where the choice becomes do I
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Speaker 2: want old face or do I want chubby? Face, and
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Speaker 2: I've opted for chubby face. The beard has gone temporarily.
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Speaker 2: My wife has made it abundantly clear that this is
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Speaker 2: not the look she wants me to stick to come back.
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Speaker 2: So the beard is gone temporarily. But you know, when
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Speaker 2: you when you shave off a beard, you reveal your
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Speaker 2: actual chins and jawline.
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Speaker 1: That's not ideal.
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Speaker 2: So when you're I'm almost forty three, now, when you
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Speaker 2: get to this level in life, if you're me, at least,
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Speaker 2: you're choosing do I look do want to look older
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Speaker 2: than I actually am? Or do I want to reveal
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Speaker 2: to people how chubby I actually am?
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Speaker 1: And that's a that's where we're at right now.
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Speaker 3: It's it's weird for me, Oh see, because I didn't
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Speaker 3: know you in your last stint ESPN.
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Speaker 1: Seven hundred.
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Speaker 4: I didn't.
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Speaker 3: I haven't hearn a lot of Utah games, so I
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Speaker 3: haven't seen you in press row there when in times
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Speaker 3: when you didn't sport the beard all the time. Maybe Yeah,
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Speaker 3: So this is the first time in person I've seen
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Speaker 3: the pictures we had one running for way too long
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Speaker 3: of a ten year old picture of you on our
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Speaker 3: website and stuff.
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Speaker 1: I've seen it.
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Speaker 3: I've seen the pictures of clean shaven and this isn't
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Speaker 3: quite completely clean shaven, but basically, but in comparison clean
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Speaker 3: shaven Sean O'Connell, I have not. This is the first
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Speaker 3: time in person, so this is like this like looking
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Speaker 3: at a new person.
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Speaker 2: For me, it's it's been three years, three plus years.
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Speaker 2: So my middle daughter had no memory of me without
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Speaker 2: a beard. My youngest daughter had never seen me without
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Speaker 2: a beard.
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Speaker 3: Did she have the did your youngest have the you
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Speaker 3: know the videos of dad shaves the beard off and
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Speaker 3: she starts screaming, Okay.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't quite that harsh. It was.
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Speaker 2: It was pretty cute. Actually, I come out. They were
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Speaker 2: all out on the back deck and my wife was
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Speaker 2: just like ahh and I immediately knew that was a
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Speaker 2: mistake in her eyes. My oldest daughter was like, oh wow,
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Speaker 2: okay dad, because she has seen me she remembers. My
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Speaker 2: middle daughter was kind of like, whoa dad? And then
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Speaker 2: the baby we kept going is that you dad? I'm like, yes,
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Speaker 2: it's me, it's me, and she was like wow, why
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Speaker 2: did you do that?
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Speaker 1: Is that you dad?
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Speaker 2: And she did that over and over again for like
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Speaker 2: an hour, and it was very cute, and she still
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Speaker 2: was willing to. Like you see those videos where kids
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Speaker 2: like run away from their dad they cry hilarious. Also,
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Speaker 2: if you're the dad, I can see that not being
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Speaker 2: as funny a little heartbreaking. No, she was still like
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Speaker 2: she came to me and like, you know, let me
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Speaker 2: like snuggler and stuff. But she was just like a
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Speaker 2: little confused by the absence of the beer.
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Speaker 5: You dad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, is that you dad? So
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Speaker 3: I so I. I was a little worried because I
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Speaker 3: just recently cut my hair after growing it out for
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Speaker 3: a really long time. So and it's a drastic look
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Speaker 3: for me when I get my haircut because I don't
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Speaker 3: get it.
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Speaker 1: I let it grow for a while. As you've learned.
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Speaker 1: Oh see.
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Speaker 3: And so I was like, he's gonna he's gonna be
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Speaker 3: like wide eyed or something. He actually, he actually did
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Speaker 3: not have any notable reactions, So it was great for that.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, interesting stuff going on, appearance wise, lifestyle wise. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: here we are a Monday Show marching closer to a
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Speaker 2: college football season where we believe both of the in
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Speaker 2: state universities are gonna have something to say about the
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Speaker 2: Big Twelve conference race where the University of Utah is
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Speaker 2: trotting out a brand new regime for the first time,
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Speaker 2: at least in a full season. Obviously, Morgan Scaley was
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Speaker 2: the head coach for the bowl game, but the regime
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Speaker 2: change is now like they're deep into camp, we're gonna
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Speaker 2: we're gonna effort having the head coach on as soon
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Speaker 2: as possible. I'm still really eager to talk to Steve Saunders, because, man,
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Speaker 2: we keep the visuals that we're getting practice availability, the
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Speaker 2: videos that are coming out of the program, and I
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Speaker 2: know you don't want to overreact to it, and I
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Speaker 2: know that everyone in college football right now is doing
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Speaker 2: the same thing, like, oh, did you see how big
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Speaker 2: so and so is? Or do you see how shredded
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Speaker 2: so and so is? You see how fast this guy looks?
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Speaker 2: The big bodies, especially at the University of Utah. The
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Speaker 2: body composition of the offensive line and the defensive line,
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Speaker 2: I think is where the off season strength and conditioning
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Speaker 2: change is most noticeable. Right Wait wise, these guys are
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Speaker 2: probably similar or the exact same as where they were.
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Speaker 2: The body composition thing is massively important when you're talking
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Speaker 2: about your big fellows because in college football now, in
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Speaker 2: power for college football. Now everyone is going to be
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Speaker 2: between you know, the freshmen coming in are to sixty
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Speaker 2: five and up, but the guys that are actually gonna
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Speaker 2: play are in like that two ninety to three twenty
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Speaker 2: range for the most part, on both both sides of
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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. With some outliers, well, you could
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Speaker 2: be to ninety and have a bad body. You can
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Speaker 2: be too ninety and be flirting with a six pack.
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Speaker 2: We've seen both right and the Utah big men are
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Speaker 2: starting to slide a little further toward that side of
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Speaker 2: the spectrum where it's just like, Okay, that's a big boy.
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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of belly fat going on. There's
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Speaker 2: not a lot of extra double chin kind of situation
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Speaker 2: happening right now. And so I'm really eager to talk
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Speaker 2: to Steve Saunders about the philosophies that have helped facilitate
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Speaker 2: that at the University of Utah. And again, I feel
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Speaker 2: responsible for saying this. The previous regime was excellent already.
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Speaker 2: Greg Argus was an incredibly knowledgeable, an excellent strength coach
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, and a guy that I hope only
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Speaker 2: great things for him and his family. The replacement better
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Speaker 2: be really damn good if you're going to replace something
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Speaker 2: like that, and it appears, at least for now, knock
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Speaker 2: on wood that that has paid some dividends in the
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Speaker 2: Utah football program. The Associated Press preseason Top twenty five
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Speaker 2: is out. The AP pole has Ohio State one, Oregon
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Speaker 2: hold on Who's.
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Speaker 1: Number one again?
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Speaker 2: Well, AP Pole almost never ever ends up being accurate
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Speaker 2: at the end of the season, James, so careful about
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Speaker 2: your lolotation.
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Speaker 3: It feels good to hear that. It just feels good
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Speaker 3: to hear your favorite team number one.
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Speaker 2: Ohio State one, Oregon two. Oregon also got some first
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Speaker 2: place votes. Georgia three, Notre Dame four. Notre Dame got
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Speaker 2: some first place votes. Texas five in Indiana six they
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Speaker 2: got some first place votes, Miami seven, they got one
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Speaker 2: first place vote, A and m eight, Ole, Miss nine,
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma ten BYU comes in at number fourteen. Utah comes
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Speaker 2: in at number twenty one. In the Associated Press preseason poll.
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Speaker 2: Texas Tech is twelve highest ranked, as has been the
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Speaker 2: case in every preseason poll. Highest ranked Big twelve team
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Speaker 2: is Texas Tech at twelve, and then Houston is number
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Speaker 2: twenty three. So every preseason poll we have seen so
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Speaker 2: far has put the same four Big twelve teams in
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Speaker 2: the top twenty five in the same order Texas.
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Speaker 1: Tech BYU, Utah, Houston.
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Speaker 2: Then there's a flirtation with Arizona being and also Ran
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Speaker 2: in some of the conversation. The others receiving votes category
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Speaker 2: has been Arizona in most of the releases that we've seen,
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Speaker 2: So not.
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Speaker 3: All that different from the coaches poll really, as far
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Speaker 3: as the Big twelve teams go, Like, the same teams
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Speaker 3: ranked BYU up one spot?
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Speaker 1: Is that? Where was Houston? Are they twenty four?
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Speaker 3: They're twenty three in this okay, so they're up one
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Speaker 3: spot to Utah, and I believe Texas Tech the same.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, similar to the coaches poll as far as
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Speaker 3: preseason goes.
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Speaker 1: I thought that Texas Tech was eleven.
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Speaker 2: In the coach maybe they were eleven, Yeah, Texas Tech
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Speaker 2: was Nope, you're right, they were twelve in the coaches
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Speaker 2: poll BYU was fifteen in the coaches poll, Utah was
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Speaker 2: twenty one, and Houston was twenty four. So you're right,
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Speaker 2: it's kind of all the same, right, And this is
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Speaker 2: something this is one of the worst things about predictions
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Speaker 2: in college sports when it comes to preseason.
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Speaker 1: All conference team.
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Speaker 2: When it comes to preseason rankings, I'm almost obsessive about
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Speaker 2: finding the people who have a differing opinion. It's one
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Speaker 2: of the reasons why I like Josh Pate, It's one
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Speaker 2: of the reasons why I like Joel Klatt so much.
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Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons why Well, those really are
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Speaker 2: the two that I think are the outliers. George Reister,
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Speaker 2: if you've been paying attention to the stuff that he does,
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Speaker 2: I know him well from the PAC twelve days. Those
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Speaker 2: are guys that will kind of buck the norm and
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Speaker 2: they will do something besides regurgitating the same confirmation bias
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Speaker 2: type polls, and they're wrong just as often as the
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Speaker 2: other polls are wrong, maybe more often. I haven't done
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Speaker 2: a real study myself, but right now there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of agreement on where teams lay out in these coaches
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Speaker 2: poll and the Associated Press poll. The coaches think Indiana
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Speaker 2: is better than the Associated Press does. Coaches again, half
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Speaker 2: of them give it to their sid and just say
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Speaker 2: put whatever you want, probably more than half. But Indiana's
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Speaker 2: eight in the AP pole, they're six in the coaches pole.
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Speaker 2: And what we're seeing just for those keeping score big ten,
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Speaker 2: Big ten SEC, Notre Dame SEC, Big ten, ACC, Hey
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Speaker 2: SEC SEC SEC.
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Speaker 3: That's the top ten. Yeah, that's the top ten, all right,
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Speaker 3: go figure. I mean Miami makes sense that they're getting
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Speaker 3: that they're the only ACC team getting some big love
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Speaker 3: with the fact that they went to the National Championship
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Speaker 3: Game last year and they brought in one of the
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Speaker 3: top quarterback transfers in this cycle, so it makes sense
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Speaker 3: they be they top ten. You being in the Big
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Speaker 3: twelve footprint, we'd love even if it's Texas Tech that
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Speaker 3: you know, the top ranked Big twelve team could crack
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Speaker 3: the top ten, of course, but they're gonna have the
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Speaker 3: conference is gonna have to prove some people wrong once
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Speaker 3: again and earn it on the field.
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Speaker 2: I will say, if you're looking at this through a
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Speaker 2: Big twelve lens, you know in week six you got
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Speaker 2: to you've got an opportunity to have two top ten
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Speaker 2: teams by the time you get there. Texas Tech schedule
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Speaker 2: is very, very friendly, and they're already within striking distance
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Speaker 2: right of that top ten. I don't think Texas Tech
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Speaker 2: is gonna experience a loss in the first half of
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Speaker 2: their season byu with it. They've got a really tough
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Speaker 2: game against Arizona in Week two. But BYU is another
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Speaker 2: team that we could see in the top ten before
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Speaker 2: that Utah matchup, I mean, especially because the Notre Dame
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Speaker 2: matchup is is before that too, right, especially if they
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Speaker 2: can pull off that upset, which even though that's a
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Speaker 2: home game Cougar fans, that's an upset.
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Speaker 1: They're probably gonna be double digit dogs at that point.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they if they can win that game, I
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Speaker 3: would be and they're undefeated, of course, I would be
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Speaker 3: very surprised if they're not a top ten team.
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Speaker 2: Now, the problem with the SEC teams that being, you know,
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Speaker 2: so heavily populating the top ten, is that a lot
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Speaker 2: of those teams can be one loss teams and people
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Speaker 2: will still put them in the top ten because as
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Speaker 2: long as it's an SEC loss, they're gonna be like, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: that's a quality loss. We're not gonna punish him unless
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Speaker 2: it's a blowout. But that's your ap poll. Utah coming
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Speaker 2: in at number twenty one. I had a couple questions
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Speaker 2: for you today. We're gonna kind of flesh some of
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Speaker 2: these things out because we've got a lot of time
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Speaker 2: before our first guest.
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Well, James just whispered something in my ear.
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Speaker 2: Here we have breaking news about salary cap circumvention investigation
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Speaker 2: going on with Kawhi Leonard.
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Speaker 1: Y is this worthy of a breaking news? Yeah, we
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Speaker 1: could just make our own. Absolutely, I got one right here.
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Speaker 1: Breaking news.
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Speaker 3: The NBA has found no evidence showing La Clippers owner
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Speaker 3: Steve Balmer funneled the money through team sponsors to pay
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Speaker 3: Kawhi Leonard in order to circumvent the salary cap, according
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Speaker 3: to three people with knowledge of discussions between the two
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Speaker 3: sides in recent days. This is Don Van Nada Junior,
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Speaker 3: Baxter Holmes, and Ramona Shelburne reporting for ESPN.
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Speaker 2: All right, so Kawhi is going to get away with this.
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Speaker 2: The Toronto trade will go through Steve. Steve Balmer is
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Speaker 2: going to get away with this, which was always going
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Speaker 2: to be the case. The owner was never ever ever
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Speaker 2: going to be punished. You are not just we already
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Speaker 2: talked about this weeks ago. But there was never going
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Speaker 2: to be a scenario in which Steve Balmer himself was
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Speaker 2: trotted out as an example, was castigated publicly, was handed
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Speaker 2: a suspension of some kind, was slapped on the wrist.
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Speaker 2: There was never ever going to be a possibility that
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Speaker 2: Steve Balmer himself one of the wealthiest owners in a
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Speaker 2: group of very, very wealthy owners. If you're a sports owner,
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Speaker 2: you're obviously absurdly rich. Steve Balmer is one of the
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Speaker 2: wealthiest owners in pro sports. He is one of the
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Speaker 2: most powerful owners because of that in pro sports, he
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Speaker 2: is in LA. I know it's not the Lakers, but like,
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Speaker 2: there was never going to be a case where Balmer
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Speaker 2: himself was going to be the fall guy here was
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Speaker 2: going to be in trouble here. If anything, it was
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Speaker 2: going to be without knowledge of ownership, without knowledge of
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Speaker 2: the situation, as far as Steve Balmer goes, so and
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Speaker 2: so in the Clippers organization facilitated something. Now it appears
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Speaker 2: right that Kawhi Leonard got money he wasn't supposed to get.
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Speaker 2: But Steve Balmer is a smart enough person, smart enough businessman,
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Speaker 2: smart enough owner that he would have layered probably several
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Speaker 2: people between him and Kawhi Leonard in this situation that
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Speaker 2: he would have had maintained plausible deniability the whole way
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Speaker 2: through and this NBA investigation. While Adam Silver has been like,
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Speaker 2: we need to get this thing wrapped up, they never
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Speaker 2: wanted to find Steve Balmer at fault.
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Speaker 1: They never wanted that.
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Speaker 2: They never wanted to find it something that you know,
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Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard. Now they want to send a message to
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Speaker 2: the other owners, Hey, don't do this stuff.
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Speaker 1: Wagon the finger.
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Speaker 2: We want to make sure our salary cap is a
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Speaker 2: real salary cap. But you know how bad it would
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Speaker 2: be for the NBA if that one of the biggest
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Speaker 2: trades of the offseason or one of the biggest player
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Speaker 2: acquisitions in Kawhi returning to to was not allowed because
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Speaker 2: of some rule breaking by an owner or some rule
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Speaker 2: breaking by a front office or whatever else. So this
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Speaker 2: is always kind of what I thought might end up happening,
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Speaker 2: but breaking news that no wrongdoing by the owner, the
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Speaker 2: wrongdoing is handed to somebody else. This is exactly what
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Speaker 2: nil payments were before nil payments were legal.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Head coaches knew they were happening intuitively, but officially they
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Speaker 2: were insulated. It was never Cam Newton did not get
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Speaker 2: a bag of cash from his head coach, Nope, But
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Speaker 2: Jeremy Tunsul didn't go to his head coach to talk about, Hey,
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Speaker 2: my mom's bills need to be paid this month. You
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Speaker 2: go watch every movie that you've ever watched on this
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Speaker 2: Blue chips, the head coaches, we're looking to the friends
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Speaker 2: of the program, right, that's it happens at the NBA
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Speaker 2: level too.
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Speaker 1: We found out about it.
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Speaker 2: It's probably a problem that is rife, where the league
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Speaker 2: is rife with.
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Speaker 1: Such problems, I think is a better way to say this.
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Speaker 2: So, uh, looks like we're headed toward a resolution on
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Speaker 2: that Kawhi thing sooner than yet.
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Speaker 3: Just one point of clarification, this is not the NBA.
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Speaker 3: This is not the law firm Walktail Lipman.
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Speaker 1: They're not. They haven't published the findings yet.
21:36
Speaker 3: These are sources close to the situation telling ESPN reporters.
21:40
Speaker 3: So we don't know when the official resolution is going
21:42
Speaker 3: to happen yet, but this is this is tipping us
21:45
Speaker 3: off that, hey, the NBA is probably going to rule
21:47
Speaker 3: this way. And then I'll just say this as as
21:52
Speaker 3: just a little point of argument here, no evidence that
21:58
Speaker 3: Steve Ballmer funneled money through teams sponsors to pay Coi
22:01
Speaker 3: Leonard in order to circumvent the salary cap, except except
22:04
Speaker 3: for this little thing in the Department of Justice investigation
22:09
Speaker 3: of Joe Sandberg, the Aspiration founder who's in prison now,
22:16
Speaker 3: for defrauding people, including Steve Baumer. There is a signed
22:21
Speaker 3: statement under oath from an employee of Aspiration saying, quote,
22:26
Speaker 3: this was done to circumvent the NBA salary cap. So
22:30
Speaker 3: except for that unbelievable smoking gun, there's no evidence. It's
22:37
Speaker 3: it's laughable to me that this that this might be
22:40
Speaker 3: the resolution.
22:41
Speaker 2: Well, and I think, I mean the wording is important here, right,
22:43
Speaker 2: because correct me if I'm wrong. It doesn't say there's
22:48
Speaker 2: no evidence to show that money was not funneled to
22:52
Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard or that salary cap circumvention was conducted. It's
23:00
Speaker 2: that Steve Balmer that the exoneration here that the NBA
23:06
Speaker 2: is interested in, that the Clippers are interested in. Is
23:09
Speaker 2: Steve Balmer's for the owner. Yeah, I mean we saw
23:11
Speaker 2: this with Arizona basketball a few years ago, right, like
23:14
Speaker 2: you always you got it. Chris Carter told us you
23:18
Speaker 2: gotta have a fall guy and the Clippers, the Clippers
23:22
Speaker 2: are gonna have it.
23:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, And maybe it's quote unquote as Pablo Torre and
23:27
Speaker 3: Amino Hassen have nicknamed him quote unquote Grandpa Dennis Dennis Wong,
23:31
Speaker 3: the only minority owner of the Clippers.
23:34
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the fall guys. I mean, who knows. I
23:37
Speaker 1: don't remember when we had this.
23:39
Speaker 2: I mean you could go back to a lot of
23:41
Speaker 2: remember when Miami it was Nevin Shapiro.
23:43
Speaker 1: Was that the guy's name.
23:45
Speaker 2: He was like the he was throwing the yacht parties,
23:49
Speaker 2: all the all of the athletes were getting you know,
23:52
Speaker 2: cars and things like that, and it was just like, oh, yeah,
23:55
Speaker 2: this guy who was a booster was the problem.
23:59
Speaker 3: Not the ad, not the head coach. You're right, it's like, oh,
24:02
Speaker 3: shouldn't be surprised at this. It's still just like it's
24:05
Speaker 3: still maddening to anyone that's followed this saga, you know,
24:10
Speaker 3: like me, an avid listener of the podcast with Pablo
24:13
Speaker 3: Torris find finds out maybe the avid listener, like you've
24:18
Speaker 3: followed it, and it's it's it's mind blowing that this
24:21
Speaker 3: might be the resolution, that that this might be the way,
24:25
Speaker 3: but also it's not because of what you laid out
24:28
Speaker 3: and all. And the other reason is the NBA and
24:31
Speaker 3: leagues they do this thing. Teams do this thing where
24:35
Speaker 3: they call them independent investigations. They are anything but independent.
24:40
Speaker 3: These these leagues and these teams pay these law firms
24:43
Speaker 3: to investigate their problems as a pr as as a
24:48
Speaker 3: way of getting good pr and the they're not independent
24:52
Speaker 3: because they're being paid by the by the leagues and
24:54
Speaker 3: teams that are doing wrong, that have done wrongdoing. So
24:57
Speaker 3: of course they're not going to pubblic is anything that
25:01
Speaker 3: those that their clients don't want them to publish. They're
25:04
Speaker 3: going to the clients in this case, the NBA and
25:07
Speaker 3: the Clippers are going to be like, oh, yeah, go
25:09
Speaker 3: ahead and say this, But why don't you just leave
25:12
Speaker 3: this part these things out of your of your independent investigation.
25:17
Speaker 3: So that's the other dirty secret around all this.
25:20
Speaker 2: All right, So yeah, brief little interlude there to give
25:23
Speaker 2: you the latest breaking news on that situation. We'll jump
25:26
Speaker 2: back into some Utah football discussion. Uh again, daylight a
25:32
Speaker 2: dollar short on this. One of the craziest, funniest storylines
25:36
Speaker 2: of an offseason is what's going on at LSU with
25:40
Speaker 2: a former Heisman Trophy winner and Jade Daniels, now obviously
25:45
Speaker 2: a successful young quarterback in the NFL, apparently in a
25:48
Speaker 2: feud with his alma mater at LSU over his jersey,
25:52
Speaker 2: which is not retired, his jersey number being used by
25:58
Speaker 2: a cornerback highly out to recruit on Lane Kiffin's roster.
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Speaker 3: Really good as a freshman last year too. Yeah, so
26:07
Speaker 3: we will, we will.
26:08
Speaker 2: We will talk about whether LSU should be using number five.
26:13
Speaker 2: More importantly, there's only one jersey number retired at the
26:18
Speaker 2: University of Utah. Who would be the next one if
26:24
Speaker 2: you were gonna do it? I actually like that Utah
26:26
Speaker 2: doesn't have jersey numbers retired. I think that's helpful for recruiting.
26:32
Speaker 2: But if it was gonna be another one, whose number
26:35
Speaker 2: would you, as a fan be happy to see retired?
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Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. If
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Speaker 2: the University of Utah football program decided to adopt the
27:13
Speaker 2: tradition of retiring jerseys of honorable and prominent players, whose
27:21
Speaker 2: jersey would you see retired? Who would you be happy
27:24
Speaker 2: to see retired? Which number would you be? Okay? With
27:27
Speaker 2: not seeing on a field ever again, and really ever
27:33
Speaker 2: again is probably too much, but anytime soon. If you
27:36
Speaker 2: were listening to the Rich Eisen Show earlier today, there
27:39
Speaker 2: was a good story from Jordan Palmer, the brother of
27:42
Speaker 2: Carson Palmer, whose jersey is retired.
27:45
Speaker 1: At usc where.
27:49
Speaker 2: Who was it, Clay Hilton, whoever the coach was at
27:53
Speaker 2: the time, called Carson Palmer and said, hey, we've got
27:55
Speaker 2: this transfer coming in.
27:58
Speaker 1: I guess it would have been Lincoln Riley.
27:59
Speaker 2: We got this trans for coming in named Jordan Addison,
28:02
Speaker 2: who's you know? He won the Bolitannikoff Award. He's the
28:05
Speaker 2: best wide receiver in America. He wants to wear number three?
28:08
Speaker 2: Are you okay with us giving number three to this guy?
28:11
Speaker 2: And Carson Palmer said, yeah, you can let him wear it,
28:14
Speaker 2: no problem, because he's Carson Palmer, and he had a
28:17
Speaker 2: successful NFL career, and as meaningful as it is, I'm
28:20
Speaker 2: sure to see your jersey retired at jer alma mater.
28:23
Speaker 2: His list of accomplishments is long enough that he's not
28:26
Speaker 2: going to be threatened with the temporary unretirement of the
28:30
Speaker 2: jersey number. Of course, I'm talking about this because one
28:33
Speaker 2: of the funniest stories in this offseason so far has
28:37
Speaker 2: been LSU getting in a spat with Jayden Daniels. Jayde
28:41
Speaker 2: daniels legal team has issued a cease and desist to
28:46
Speaker 2: LSU because they don't He doesn't want them using his name,
28:50
Speaker 2: image and likeness anymore. No marketing with Jayden Daniels, your
28:53
Speaker 2: last Heisman Trophy winner, because you've let another player use
28:59
Speaker 2: his number five. Now, Just to be clear, his number
29:04
Speaker 2: five is not officially retired at LSU. He won the
29:10
Speaker 2: Heisman in twenty twenty three, not a national championship year.
29:14
Speaker 2: By the way, it was a three loss season for
29:16
Speaker 2: LSU and DJ Pickett, who's a sophomore corner, was allegedly
29:24
Speaker 2: promised by Brian Kelly that he could wear number five.
29:28
Speaker 2: He wanted to come and wear his favorite number. Brian
29:31
Speaker 2: Kelly says, yeah, you can wear number five, and Lane
29:34
Speaker 2: Kiffin was convinced that this kid was offered something and
29:39
Speaker 2: he should be allowed to have that. I think that
29:42
Speaker 2: the truth of the matter is Lane Kiffin doesn't give
29:44
Speaker 2: a you know what about what Jane Daniels thinks. I
29:46
Speaker 2: don't think he cares about what any person on earth thinks.
29:50
Speaker 2: So if this kid wants number five. He's going to
29:52
Speaker 2: give him number five. It's one less headache for the
29:55
Speaker 2: current head coach of LSU and Jaydeen Daniels. Well, at
30:00
Speaker 2: least an attorney representing Jadan Daniels has informed LSU it
30:05
Speaker 2: can no longer use his name, image and likeness as
30:08
Speaker 2: of August fifth.
30:10
Speaker 3: Didn't I also say they have to return their replica
30:13
Speaker 3: of his heisman trophy.
30:14
Speaker 2: That was reported later that not only was he you know,
30:18
Speaker 2: the legal team like, you can't use my name, image
30:21
Speaker 2: of likeness anymore. You said that I was going to
30:24
Speaker 2: be given this honor of having no one ever wear
30:27
Speaker 2: my number at LSU, and you reniged on that promise.
30:31
Speaker 1: So I want I want.
30:32
Speaker 2: The school copy of the heisman as well. I don't
30:36
Speaker 2: want you talking about me, period. It's as petty as
30:40
Speaker 2: petty can be. Keep your name out of my mouth LSU,
30:43
Speaker 2: and I also have a problem with this reaction because sorry,
30:48
Speaker 2: reverse what I just said.
30:49
Speaker 1: I totally screwed that up. Keep my name out of
30:51
Speaker 1: your mouth.
30:53
Speaker 2: I have a problem with this reaction because we're in
30:57
Speaker 2: the transient era of college football, right. If you're somebody
31:02
Speaker 2: who bled, sweat cried for LSU, for five years and
31:08
Speaker 2: you were told, hey, no one's ever gonna wear number
31:10
Speaker 2: five again. We're gonna officially retire that jersey. The policy
31:14
Speaker 2: is you have to be out of the school for
31:15
Speaker 2: five years before your jersey could be retired. Okay, we're
31:20
Speaker 2: gonna retire that. No one's ever gonna wear number five again.
31:23
Speaker 2: Makes a little bit more sense if you're somebody who
31:25
Speaker 2: transferred there. We're given a bag of money to come
31:29
Speaker 2: and play. You were a free agent, you're a mercenary,
31:32
Speaker 2: and you came and you did great things.
31:34
Speaker 1: You didn't win a national championship. It wasn't an undefeated record.
31:38
Speaker 2: You benefited from the relationship as much as ls You
31:42
Speaker 2: did more than LSU did. You personally won the Heisman Trophy,
31:46
Speaker 2: you know, improve your draft position.
31:48
Speaker 1: All these things. I don't think LSU owes jayde Daniels
31:52
Speaker 1: a dang thing.
31:53
Speaker 2: Honestly, if it were again, if we were talking about
31:56
Speaker 2: if this were Alex Smith instead, right, and the University
32:01
Speaker 2: of Utah had said, Alex Smith, no one will ever
32:03
Speaker 2: wear number eleven again. Plenty of people have, by the
32:06
Speaker 2: way since then. But let's say they're just like, no
32:08
Speaker 2: one's ever gonna wear eleven again, and then Paul Krueger
32:12
Speaker 2: gets back from his mission and he wants to wear
32:15
Speaker 2: number eleven, and they're just like, yeah, sorry, Alex. Alex
32:19
Speaker 2: wasn't paid while he was at the University of Utah.
32:22
Speaker 2: Alex didn't transfer in as a mercenary to the University
32:24
Speaker 2: of Utah. Alex did lead the team to its highest
32:27
Speaker 2: national standing ever at that point, at least, like, you know,
32:32
Speaker 2: he was the guy I would have a problem with that.
32:36
Speaker 1: The Jaye Daniels thing is eh.
32:39
Speaker 2: For me, It's like, what are you talking about, man,
32:41
Speaker 2: you don't own And by the way, it's number five,
32:45
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
32:46
Speaker 1: People want to wear number five.
32:49
Speaker 2: Every roster in the country right now has not one
32:52
Speaker 2: player wearing number five.
32:53
Speaker 1: They've got two guys wearing number five.
32:55
Speaker 2: There's a defensive back and a wide receiver wearing number five.
32:59
Speaker 2: There's a quarterback and a safety wearing number five. I'm
33:02
Speaker 2: pretty much every roster in the country right now.
33:05
Speaker 3: When it's across sports, OHC five is not one of
33:08
Speaker 3: those numbers that you think of is like, oh, that's
33:11
Speaker 3: a prestigious number, but it's always taken. In every sport
33:15
Speaker 3: there's a number five, and it's probably just because a
33:18
Speaker 3: lot of people like the single digit number on their
33:21
Speaker 3: jersey more than more than some of the double digit numbers. Maybe,
33:25
Speaker 3: but that's like five is a prominent number across sports,
33:29
Speaker 3: not just in college football. So absolutely it makes sense
33:32
Speaker 3: that someone wants the number five. And I talked about
33:36
Speaker 3: this and when I filled in for you for an
33:39
Speaker 3: hour on Thursday, because as the day this stuff broke, O. See,
33:43
Speaker 3: a couple of things came to mind when I heard
33:44
Speaker 3: about this. One is it's completely on brand for Lane Kiffin.
33:48
Speaker 3: Guy hasn't even they haven't even played a down yet
33:51
Speaker 3: with him as head coach, and he's already started a controversy. Okay,
33:54
Speaker 3: that's completely and and you said it perfectly. He doesn't
33:58
Speaker 3: care who's mad at him, he doesn't care who likes him.
34:01
Speaker 3: He He's just like, I'm the coach now, I'm I'm
34:06
Speaker 3: gonna let this kid wear number five. The other thing
34:08
Speaker 3: is a tenant to that, Since when is Lane Kiffen,
34:13
Speaker 3: whether he's Lane Kiffen or another head coach, since since
34:16
Speaker 3: when is he supposed to uphold a promise that a
34:19
Speaker 3: previous head coach made to a player that he didn't
34:22
Speaker 3: even coach. Because Brian Kelly promised DJ Pickett the number,
34:27
Speaker 3: and then Jayden Daniels got mad and told him about it.
34:30
Speaker 3: So then he promised Jayden and Daniels, Okay, he's not
34:32
Speaker 3: gonna No one's gonna wear five.
34:34
Speaker 1: Well I'm the coach.
34:35
Speaker 3: Well, Brian Kelly's not the coach anymore, so that promise
34:38
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.
34:39
Speaker 1: Like Jayden Daniels and I get it right.
34:42
Speaker 2: If you're a player, you want your this, you want
34:46
Speaker 2: the institution, You want the school, regardless who the coaches
34:49
Speaker 2: or the athletic director is or whatever LSU is.
34:52
Speaker 1: Like it's a country, it's a state.
34:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, different ad two, but yes, your
34:57
Speaker 3: point as well.
34:57
Speaker 2: Take you want them to comply with an And that's
35:00
Speaker 2: why jersey retirements are very very complicated things, especially at
35:04
Speaker 2: this level. There's a lot more transience and a lot
35:06
Speaker 2: more turnover in college sports.
35:08
Speaker 1: It seems.
35:09
Speaker 2: If it's an if it's an NBA franchise, if it's
35:12
Speaker 2: an NFL franchise. Right, most of the time, your jersey
35:16
Speaker 2: is retired by an owner, a GM, a head coach,
35:22
Speaker 2: a franchise, and one of those things at least is
35:25
Speaker 2: going to stay intact for a couple of decades owners
35:28
Speaker 2: hold on to these things. I actually love. This makes
35:31
Speaker 2: me love. This story is tongue in cheek, as all
35:33
Speaker 2: of it is. This makes me love the fact that
35:36
Speaker 2: what Utah did was they found a way to honor
35:39
Speaker 2: the great players of the past without retiring jersey numbers.
35:45
Speaker 2: It preserves the truly special nature of number twenty two
35:49
Speaker 2: being retired, because that's a heavier memorial than most jersey
35:55
Speaker 2: retirements are, right, that's a different kind of thing. So
36:00
Speaker 2: it preserves that. And also it allows for the program
36:04
Speaker 2: to honor the greats without taking their number out of
36:08
Speaker 2: play because it does matter to players. It does matter
36:12
Speaker 2: to kids what number they get to wear on their jersey.
36:15
Speaker 2: Do I think it's kind of superficial and silly. Yeah,
36:18
Speaker 2: but also everyone wants to wear their favorite number. I
36:21
Speaker 2: don't know why it's the case, but it is right now, James,
36:26
Speaker 2: how many numbers do you think there are on the
36:29
Speaker 2: Utah roster that don't have just one player wearing them,
36:33
Speaker 2: but have two players wearing them.
36:35
Speaker 3: How many? I would say twelve to fifteen. It's a
36:41
Speaker 3: good guess.
36:42
Speaker 2: It's sixteen, sixteen, Okay, there are sixteen numbers. Well, I'm sorry,
36:47
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, there are seventeen numbers because it's the number
36:50
Speaker 2: zero has two players wearing zero, Cyrus Polo Kyrie Schultz
36:54
Speaker 2: both wearing zero. This would be the number I would
36:58
Speaker 2: want to wear zero. Yeah, that's cool number. I don't
37:01
Speaker 2: know why I like it so much, but I do,
37:04
Speaker 2: all right. Rabbit Evans Away, Sean Parker both number one,
37:07
Speaker 2: Rock Caldwell and Creed Whittemore both number two. Nate Johnson
37:12
Speaker 2: is the lone holder of number three.
37:14
Speaker 3: Oh, interesting, would I would think that would have been
37:16
Speaker 3: a multiple number one. Devin, Dan Pierre and j C.
37:20
Speaker 3: Hart both wearing number four. Last year it was Don Saunders.
37:24
Speaker 1: That's right. Tom Saunders says number four along with Devin.
37:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, Daniel Bray and James Chenault both oh.
37:31
Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels in apology for wearing number five.
37:35
Speaker 3: No school in the cease and assist letters to every
37:38
Speaker 3: school in the country.
37:39
Speaker 1: It's like a Jackie Robinson situation in baseball. Do you
37:42
Speaker 1: know who I am? I'm Jade and Daniels.
37:44
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, did you see how this got
37:46
Speaker 2: memified over the weekend the Mets. Did you see the Mets?
37:50
Speaker 2: They missed the final score of their game over the weekend.
37:54
Speaker 2: I can't remember who they beat, was four to one,
37:56
Speaker 2: and they tweeted out stopped at four to.
38:00
Speaker 1: Respect to Jade and Daniels. Just so good. There's a
38:04
Speaker 1: bunch of these things all over the internet right now.
38:07
Speaker 3: Can I tell you the best line I heard on
38:09
Speaker 3: Thursday about how ridiculous it is that Jade and Daniels
38:14
Speaker 3: threat is threatening legal action over this?
38:16
Speaker 1: So uh.
38:19
Speaker 3: The Tony reality former Around the Horn host Rip Around
38:23
Speaker 3: the Horn he filled in for Dan Patrick on Thursday,
38:27
Speaker 3: host of The Dan Patrick Show, which was fantastic. He
38:32
Speaker 3: his line was, this is like pulling out a bazooka
38:35
Speaker 3: to kill a mosquito.
38:38
Speaker 2: It's it's really wild to do it like this. It's
38:42
Speaker 2: such a bad look for Jadon Daniels. He put out
38:45
Speaker 2: his own kind of damage control statement that made it
38:49
Speaker 2: seem like maybe he either didn't realize the backlash was
38:53
Speaker 2: going to be so strong or that I guess potentially
38:57
Speaker 2: he really like there was a miscmction between him and
39:01
Speaker 2: his legal team to where he probably complained to someone
39:05
Speaker 2: and then he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, guys, I'm dialed.
39:08
Speaker 2: I'm in football camp myself right now. It's all about
39:12
Speaker 2: winning for the commanders Right now, I'm not worrying about this.
39:15
Speaker 2: I'm letting my legal team handle it. It's like Jaden,
39:19
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, It's as bad of a pr
39:21
Speaker 2: look as you can find for a guy who seems
39:24
Speaker 2: otherwise very likable.
39:26
Speaker 1: It's just unnecessary.
39:28
Speaker 3: Like you could have called Lane Kiffen, you could have
39:32
Speaker 3: called the new ad. You could have or you could
39:34
Speaker 3: have had your people call them and not your not
39:37
Speaker 3: your people as in your lawyers, someone else that that
39:41
Speaker 3: helps you manage things.
39:42
Speaker 1: Who's not a lawyer.
39:43
Speaker 3: You could have had them call them and be like, hey,
39:45
Speaker 3: we would like we would prefer that number five is like,
39:49
Speaker 3: is still reserved for me for a couple more years
39:52
Speaker 3: before it can be retired, and just tried to resolve
39:56
Speaker 3: it that way.
39:57
Speaker 1: You did not have to threaten legal action.
39:59
Speaker 9: My guy.
40:00
Speaker 1: It's a pretty crazy deal. The other double numbers on
40:05
Speaker 1: UTAH any other.
40:07
Speaker 2: Well, it's basically it's one through fifteen, with the exception
40:10
Speaker 2: of three and interestingly enough eighteen. Oh oh, hold on Britton,
40:17
Speaker 2: Covey's upset about that. Tobias Merriweather and Earl Parker, how
40:21
Speaker 2: dare you? Yeah, a receiver? No less Tobias Merriweather. The
40:30
Speaker 2: responses on which number could be retired should be retired
40:36
Speaker 2: for the University of Utah if they were to adopt
40:39
Speaker 2: this tradition. Most of the answers eight seven, seven three
40:42
Speaker 2: five three zero, seven hundred. It's Alex Smith, Derek Weddle.
40:45
Speaker 2: It's the guys who are going to have their name
40:48
Speaker 2: in the ring of honor.
40:49
Speaker 1: Right. One.
40:50
Speaker 2: That would be interesting for multiple reasons. For me, Luther
40:55
Speaker 2: Ellis and his son both wore the same number three, right.
41:00
Speaker 1: Just put Elis.
41:01
Speaker 2: Just put Ellis. And it's like, it's not the most
41:04
Speaker 2: popular number. It's not a single digit, it's not something
41:07
Speaker 2: like that one. Okay, you could retire for for the
41:10
Speaker 2: sake of multiple Ellises. You could retire that number. Sure,
41:15
Speaker 2: we would, We'd be I would be on board with that, right.
41:19
Speaker 1: I think Elijah Ellis is also wearing eighty three.
41:23
Speaker 3: Z he really Okay, So just just don't don't have
41:26
Speaker 3: the name, don't have the first name. Just put Ellis,
41:29
Speaker 3: especially if Elijah ends up being a standout player like
41:31
Speaker 3: his brother and his death.
41:33
Speaker 2: If you, if you have the last name Ellis, you
41:35
Speaker 2: could wear number eighty three, but nobody else can. Yeah,
41:38
Speaker 2: because it seems like undoubtedly some these sons of of
41:45
Speaker 2: Luther are gonna have sons of their own, and those
41:47
Speaker 2: are gonna be great football players at some point.
41:49
Speaker 1: Just absolutely so, it could just be the Llis number.
41:51
Speaker 2: You could just give eighty three to every Elis that
41:54
Speaker 2: comes through and then if you're gonna do that, though,
41:56
Speaker 2: if no one else can wear it, you can't wear
41:59
Speaker 2: anything else. If you're an Elis, you have to wear
42:01
Speaker 2: eighty three. That's the LS number. I'm sorry you want
42:04
Speaker 2: twenty or not twenty two? I outsaid twenty two. Oh
42:07
Speaker 2: you want twenty five. I'm sorry. You're an Elis.
42:09
Speaker 1: You're an Elis. You have to wear eighty three.
42:12
Speaker 3: Does your family legacy mean nothing to you, young man?
42:15
Speaker 2: My older brothers already on the roster wearing number eighty three. Okay, fine,
42:18
Speaker 2: you're the offensive eighty three that you're playing offense now.
42:22
Speaker 2: You weren't gonna play offense until this number. Dispute case,
42:25
Speaker 2: until he graduates. You're a tight end and you're wearing
42:27
Speaker 2: number eighty three. It's all right.
42:29
Speaker 3: You're not gonna play much anyway until he graduates, So
42:31
Speaker 3: you're fine.
42:32
Speaker 1: We're basically red shirting it.
42:33
Speaker 3: Okay, if there's only one guy I could I could
42:39
Speaker 3: choose with this oc because I'm with everyone else, it's
42:42
Speaker 3: Alex Smith or Eric Weddle. I might say Weddle, even
42:47
Speaker 3: though Alex that's tough though, because Alex had the more
42:52
Speaker 3: standout college career. You could say at least his ceiling
42:58
Speaker 3: was higher in college. But Weddle probably being an NFL
43:03
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer by the time his number would be retired,
43:06
Speaker 3: makes you go, I mean, Alex Smith's not a Pro
43:10
Speaker 3: Football Hall of favor Like that makes me feel like,
43:14
Speaker 3: even though that has nothing to do with his college.
43:16
Speaker 2: I like that you said probably instead of possibly. Also,
43:19
Speaker 2: I appreciate that optimisy. You've you've you've convinced me.
43:22
Speaker 3: You say it, you say it every other day, and
43:25
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, He's probably right.
43:27
Speaker 1: There's a strong case to be made.
43:30
Speaker 2: Okay, and then obviously the exception you make if he
43:35
Speaker 2: if he comes Gage Weddle is allowed to wear thirty
43:38
Speaker 2: two if you wanted to.
43:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Weddele number.
43:40
Speaker 2: Although I don't think he wears thirty two in high
43:42
Speaker 2: school because he not.
43:44
Speaker 1: I think he wears twenty two if I'm not mistaken.
43:45
Speaker 3: Oh well, oh, No, that's not gonna have a it's
43:49
Speaker 3: not gonna be an issue recruitment.
43:51
Speaker 1: What do you do?
43:53
Speaker 2: I could I could be wrong about that. Eight seven
43:57
Speaker 2: seven three five three zero seven hundred. If you know
44:00
Speaker 2: what number he's wearing. I'll find a picture of him
44:03
Speaker 2: and it's not on his recruiting profile. We'll find a
44:09
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45:14
Speaker 1: Oh, Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell.
45:16
Speaker 2: Sean, I got a Utah football question for you, as
45:18
Speaker 2: we march closer to the beginning of their season against Idaho.
45:23
Speaker 2: Not this Thursday, not next Thursday, but the next Thursday.
45:28
Speaker 2: We are two weeks and some change away from Utah
45:32
Speaker 2: kicking off their football season in twenty twenty six, a
45:35
Speaker 2: football season where the coaches poll the AP pole most publications.
45:41
Speaker 2: Preseason polls have Utah in the top twenty five right
45:44
Speaker 2: around that twenty one mark. We have talked at nauseum
45:48
Speaker 2: about the schedule and the way that it lays out,
45:50
Speaker 2: and as far as we know our limited knowledge of
45:54
Speaker 2: what these rosters are going to be and what these
45:56
Speaker 2: teams are actually going to look like based on springball
45:59
Speaker 2: and things like that, it should be at least a
46:01
Speaker 2: very strong start to the Utah football season. I think
46:05
Speaker 2: they could find themselves in the top fifteen sooner than later.
46:12
Speaker 1: So that's encouraging now.
46:13
Speaker 2: If you're gonna find yourself in the top fifteen and
46:16
Speaker 2: maybe climb even higher than that. And obviously if you're
46:19
Speaker 2: in the Big twelve title race, you need to be
46:22
Speaker 2: kind of in that tennis range. If you're a Big
46:26
Speaker 2: twelve champion, eventually you hope that that makes you a
46:31
Speaker 2: top eight team at the very least if you're an
46:34
Speaker 2: undefeated Big Twelve champion, which I don't think any of
46:37
Speaker 2: us have that level of optimism, But if you're an
46:40
Speaker 2: undefeated Big Twelve championship team, you should be a top
46:43
Speaker 2: five team, probably more like number three. But if you're
46:49
Speaker 2: gonna achieve anything close to any of this, there needs
46:53
Speaker 2: to be it was a really good season in twenty
46:56
Speaker 2: twenty five. If you're going to achieve any of the
47:01
Speaker 2: upward mobility possible for the University of Utah, you're gonna
47:04
Speaker 2: need to see them get better somewhere. Based on what
47:11
Speaker 2: you know right now, we have questions about where this
47:14
Speaker 2: team might be worse from a year ago. You might
47:17
Speaker 2: even have some certainty that, hey, they're not going to
47:20
Speaker 2: be as good along the trenches, They're not gonna be
47:23
Speaker 2: as good on the offensive line as they were last year.
47:27
Speaker 2: With Morgan Scalley at the helm, with Kevin mcgiven as
47:30
Speaker 2: your offensive coordinator, with Colton Swan taking the reins of
47:33
Speaker 2: the defense, with Devin Dan Pierre healthy, knock on wood
47:36
Speaker 2: that he stays that way.
47:38
Speaker 1: What is a place? What is a stat line?
47:41
Speaker 2: What is a category that you're confident Utah football will
47:45
Speaker 2: be better in twenty twenty six than they were in
47:47
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five at riloc Sports or eight seven seven
47:52
Speaker 2: three five three zero seven hundred. Where is this Utah
47:55
Speaker 2: football team going to be better than they were last year?
48:01
Speaker 2: Not where do you need to see improvement, Not where
48:04
Speaker 2: your question marks are, where your question is answered, where
48:07
Speaker 2: you're like, no, they're gonna be better here. And if
48:12
Speaker 2: it's something as I won't say as simple as but
48:14
Speaker 2: if something is sparing as the kicking game, fine, If
48:18
Speaker 2: you think they're going to be better at kicking field goals,
48:20
Speaker 2: maybe it's just better at trusting the field goalkicker. Maybe
48:25
Speaker 2: that's something that matters to you.
48:28
Speaker 3: A lot would not sleep on the amount of listeners
48:32
Speaker 3: and Utah fans who that is at top of mind
48:35
Speaker 3: because of how the Bayu game turned out last year.
48:38
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and for I mean, that's a valid enough reason
48:41
Speaker 2: for me for you to be concerned about that. When
48:45
Speaker 2: I look at it and I know what the questions are,
48:49
Speaker 2: I feel like this team is going to be better
48:52
Speaker 2: at distributing touches. I feel like what I know about
49:01
Speaker 2: Kevin mcgiven what I know about the roster, which is
49:04
Speaker 2: honestly it's pretty limited because we don't get to see
49:07
Speaker 2: them at full speed action until two thursdays from now,
49:15
Speaker 2: and you might not consider this an improvement as a fan.
49:17
Speaker 1: I do.
49:19
Speaker 2: You're going to have more touchdowns by more players this year,
49:24
Speaker 2: meaning you're gonna have more guys score touchdowns. You're gonna
49:27
Speaker 2: have greater diversity of weapons in this team, in this offense,
49:32
Speaker 2: you are not going to be as reliant on one
49:35
Speaker 2: or two players, especially in the passing game, to get
49:39
Speaker 2: into the end zone. Last year, if if you had
49:42
Speaker 2: no Bird Fickland, if you had known to carry Rogers,
49:46
Speaker 2: we're talking about a team that's not really getting into
49:49
Speaker 2: the end zone very.
49:50
Speaker 1: Often, right.
49:52
Speaker 2: That would have been massively problematic for Utah football last
49:57
Speaker 2: year if you weren't able to rely on certain sparing
50:00
Speaker 2: guys so that you trusted to get the ball to
50:03
Speaker 2: in the red zone that you felt like were your
50:07
Speaker 2: real scoring threats. Whatever, I think that this year, whatever
50:13
Speaker 2: the correct way to phrase that is the diversity of
50:15
Speaker 2: scoring threat is a place where I'm certain they have improved.
50:20
Speaker 2: Do I have questions about the offensive line, Sure? Do
50:22
Speaker 2: I have questions about the run game. Stopping the run
50:26
Speaker 2: game on the other side, Yes, you have to get
50:29
Speaker 2: better at that. I cannot tell you today that I
50:33
Speaker 2: know this linebacking corps, this defensive line, this defensive coordinator
50:37
Speaker 2: is going to be better at stopping the run than
50:39
Speaker 2: Utah was last year. I can't tell you confidently that yes,
50:42
Speaker 2: they are going to be what Utah Football's defense has
50:45
Speaker 2: been for time immemorial against the run.
50:51
Speaker 1: You and I both have the same questions about that.
50:53
Speaker 2: We both have the same urgency and need to see
50:55
Speaker 2: that expressed on the field. But it's still a question.
51:00
Speaker 2: The answer I feel like I have is you're gonna
51:04
Speaker 2: have seventeen guys score a touchdown for you to ye
51:09
Speaker 2: oh yeah, you throw Devin dan Pier in that mix too.
51:13
Speaker 2: From last year it was Devin.
51:15
Speaker 3: It was the quarterbacks as far as rushing touchdowns go,
51:18
Speaker 3: Devin Bird and Nakari Rodgers. And besides that, you didn't
51:23
Speaker 3: get a lot of rushing touchdowns scored. So that yeah,
51:26
Speaker 3: that's uh, that's certainly something that can that can improve.
51:30
Speaker 1: I mean, our guy way Sean was an awesome player.
51:32
Speaker 2: But underutilizing the red zone, single digit touchdowns, you gotta
51:37
Speaker 2: have him score ten plus.
51:40
Speaker 1: And we'll see.
51:41
Speaker 3: Maybe nikariy Rodgers is coming back with the new five
51:45
Speaker 3: for the fifth year eligibility thing coming into play here.
51:50
Speaker 3: But if he's not, you would expect, you would expect
51:53
Speaker 3: even if if Rogers is back on the roster, especially
51:56
Speaker 3: especially if he's not back, but expect way Sean to
52:01
Speaker 3: touchdown totally go up. I would say, oh see that.
52:04
Speaker 1: I feel.
52:06
Speaker 3: For a couple of reasons, I feel certain that the
52:08
Speaker 3: passing attack is going to be more prolific.
52:13
Speaker 1: For a couple of reasons.
52:14
Speaker 3: One is they've upgraded the wide receiving core talent wise.
52:18
Speaker 3: The two guys coming from the group of group of
52:21
Speaker 3: five level Shoals and Pagan are are significant upgrades. And
52:26
Speaker 3: the guys they brought back, Larry Simmons being the first,
52:29
Speaker 3: first and foremost I see, I see the passing game
52:33
Speaker 3: being more prolific that way.
52:35
Speaker 1: But also.
52:38
Speaker 3: Jason Takio in the Salt Lake Tribune on Thursday released
52:40
Speaker 3: an article that said Devin's dad was quoted as saying
52:49
Speaker 3: he never saw his son above seventy percent health.
52:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's it's all the passing games to be
52:57
Speaker 1: more prolific. For both those reasons, it's a humbling.
53:01
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of fans feel that way, justifiably.
53:05
Speaker 2: By the way, I just counted it up from last year.
53:09
Speaker 2: You had fifteen people score at least one touchdown.
53:12
Speaker 1: Oh in the offense. I would have guessed lower than that.
53:16
Speaker 2: Okay, you had fifteen people score at least one there
53:19
Speaker 2: where let's see one, two, three there. So there's ten
53:23
Speaker 2: people who scored multiple touchdowns in the offense. Okay, I
53:26
Speaker 2: think you dang near double that number. This multiple touchdown
53:30
Speaker 2: with multiple touchdowns. Last year in your passing game, you
53:35
Speaker 2: had Ryan Davis, Dowon Bentley, JJ Buchanan, and Larry Simmons
53:40
Speaker 2: score multiple touchdowns.
53:43
Speaker 1: Okay.
53:44
Speaker 2: Way, Shawn Parker also scored multiple touchdowns as a receiving threat.
53:48
Speaker 2: He scored nine total touchdowns last year, three as a receiver,
53:52
Speaker 2: six as a runner. Okay, I think Wyshaan gets over
53:55
Speaker 2: ten for sure. Tobias Mearriweather, by the way, last year,
53:59
Speaker 2: had zero touchdown catches for you.
54:02
Speaker 1: We're starting to hears his name mentioned as a guy.
54:05
Speaker 2: Who's had a really great camp and could be putting
54:07
Speaker 2: himself back into the offensive rotation. You know how massive
54:10
Speaker 2: that would be for the University of Utah for a
54:14
Speaker 2: couple of reasons. Right One, because obviously there's numbers to
54:19
Speaker 2: be found there, two because he has massive athletic potential.
54:23
Speaker 2: Three and one that's a little bit less concrete, But
54:27
Speaker 2: I think perhaps most important of all of it, that
54:30
Speaker 2: means that your coaching staff has taken a player who
54:35
Speaker 2: underperformed from a year previous under a really good coaching.
54:39
Speaker 1: Staff and gotten them better.
54:43
Speaker 2: When everyone in the country is asking the question, is
54:46
Speaker 2: your offensive staff going to be able to live up
54:48
Speaker 2: what you had last year?
54:49
Speaker 1: If you can, even with one player, not only live.
54:52
Speaker 2: Up to it, but exceed what you had last year,
54:55
Speaker 2: it answers a lot of questions. It changes a narrative
54:59
Speaker 2: significantly about your offensive staff.
55:02
Speaker 3: It also is just found money with Tobias Merriweather like that.
55:06
Speaker 3: That makes it feel much better if a guy like that,
55:10
Speaker 3: who had his poor of a year as he did
55:13
Speaker 3: in his first year in the program, ends up being
55:16
Speaker 3: really productive. It makes you feel like you just found
55:19
Speaker 3: one hundred bucks one hundred dollars bill on the ground,
55:22
Speaker 3: Like that's it's found money.
55:25
Speaker 1: It's a great way to put it.
55:27
Speaker 2: So eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred,
55:30
Speaker 2: tell me where you think, where you know this team
55:33
Speaker 2: will be better than they were last year. Forty two
55:37
Speaker 2: to seventy one says, I feel grew better at passing, receiving, game,
55:40
Speaker 2: and special teams. Bonus thought corners more of a lockdown
55:45
Speaker 2: due to the height, speed, and experience despite losing Smith's
55:48
Speaker 2: note interesting, that would be huge obviously. And Sharif Shaw
55:54
Speaker 2: as a cornerbacks coach, as a technique developer is second
55:59
Speaker 2: to none. So when you give him these big body guys,
56:04
Speaker 2: it takes time. If those guys are willing to give
56:06
Speaker 2: him the patience, right, if they're willing to give him
56:09
Speaker 2: the work, he will get them, right.
56:14
Speaker 1: Greg, This is.
56:17
Speaker 2: Greg on the text line, better at not going with
56:19
Speaker 2: the analytics. Little shot across the bow of the former
56:23
Speaker 2: head coach Michael Dawson on the text line says, I
56:30
Speaker 2: better at linebacker and running back. Running back might not
56:34
Speaker 2: show with the lesser offensive line this year, but it's
56:36
Speaker 2: undoubtedly Bray and Parker are better backs this year than
56:40
Speaker 2: they were last year. Well, I mean Daniel Bray, yes,
56:46
Speaker 2: way Sean Parker, I believe yes to be determined. He
56:50
Speaker 2: was a really good back last year. Six point six
56:53
Speaker 2: yards of carry is a tough number to beat for
56:57
Speaker 2: way Shot, even if he has like slightly more total
57:00
Speaker 2: carries and he gets over a thousand yards and maybe
57:03
Speaker 2: this year he scores eleven rushing touchdowns instead of six.
57:07
Speaker 2: He was remarkably productive on an average standpoint. I'm not
57:12
Speaker 2: asking for more than that from Wishawn this year. If
57:14
Speaker 2: he can be at that as a bell cow back,
57:18
Speaker 2: that's enough for me. Eric says will be better in
57:25
Speaker 2: the passing average yards per completion will jump dramatically.
57:29
Speaker 3: Note not the Wit throw game. He wants us to
57:32
Speaker 3: retire throw game, Moniker. It's Wits gone. Is that what's
57:36
Speaker 3: going on?
57:36
Speaker 9: Eric?
57:39
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. It's really funny to hear.
57:44
Speaker 2: The perspective now of Utah fans, which, again, the official
57:47
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57:50
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57:54
Speaker 2: of Fame build a statue coach at the University of Utah.
57:58
Speaker 1: Was always the right guy.
58:01
Speaker 2: Had he stayed, would have been the right guy to
58:03
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58:08
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58:12
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58:15
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58:21
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58:24
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58:27
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58:32
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58:36
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58:41
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58:45
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58:47
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58:50
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58:58
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59:02
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1:03:07
Speaker 2: I'm not quite there with Like I'm fine with Pat McAfee.
1:03:10
Speaker 2: You know, he's on our television in front of us.
1:03:13
Speaker 2: It's silent, So maybe that's why I'm not at the
1:03:16
Speaker 2: saturation point with him. I don't, but you know, I
1:03:20
Speaker 2: think he's been a kind of a fun addition to
1:03:22
Speaker 2: college game day. I like what he's done there. It's
1:03:27
Speaker 2: not my bag necessarily, the circus act. I don't understand
1:03:31
Speaker 2: the weird WWE stuff that he's into.
1:03:35
Speaker 1: That's fine.
1:03:35
Speaker 2: I don't have to agree with every single thing you do,
1:03:37
Speaker 2: or love every single thing you do.
1:03:39
Speaker 1: The country album.
1:03:41
Speaker 2: Look, having a limiting belief of what you yourself should do
1:03:45
Speaker 2: or could do.
1:03:47
Speaker 1: Isn't good for anyone. Right.
1:03:52
Speaker 2: I'm probably not the next great American novelist. I still
1:03:56
Speaker 2: wrote a couple of books and continue to write because
1:03:58
Speaker 2: I like doing it and I want to keep doing it.
1:04:00
Speaker 2: And if someone wants to read him, great. If you
1:04:02
Speaker 2: want to think that sucks, that's also fine. Pat McFee
1:04:07
Speaker 2: putting out a country album was not on my bingo card.
1:04:10
Speaker 2: But you know what, you know who actually was a
1:04:14
Speaker 2: former athlete, well current athlete, slash former athlete. He was
1:04:18
Speaker 2: a current athlete when he put out, like Damian Lillard
1:04:20
Speaker 2: has a pretty good album, that Dame Dalla album.
1:04:22
Speaker 1: He like actually kind of knows his stuff. He's like decent.
1:04:25
Speaker 1: That's all a taste thing, right.
1:04:28
Speaker 2: I don't know that we any of us loved the
1:04:30
Speaker 2: shaq Fu album that came out from Shaquille O'Neal back
1:04:33
Speaker 2: in his prime.
1:04:34
Speaker 1: And but that was a platinum record, right, or one
1:04:38
Speaker 1: of his albums was.
1:04:39
Speaker 2: So you know what, Oscar de la Joya put out
1:04:43
Speaker 2: a Latin pop album that was like number two on
1:04:47
Speaker 2: the Latin Billboard charts.
1:04:49
Speaker 1: At one point. Shout out.
1:04:50
Speaker 3: You know, Bernie Williams is a smooth jazz musician.
1:04:56
Speaker 1: That's right. Let's see.
1:04:59
Speaker 2: Manny Pakiaal the boxer, just stick with the Oscar de
1:05:02
Speaker 2: la Hoya thing. Matty Pacyall at one point in the
1:05:05
Speaker 2: Philippines was like the biggest movie star, the biggest pop star,
1:05:11
Speaker 2: the biggest athlete as a world champion boxer, and a
1:05:16
Speaker 2: holder of political office all at one time. Yeah, he
1:05:19
Speaker 2: was a congressman, right, So I mean, you might as
1:05:24
Speaker 2: well try when you're riding your wave, you might as
1:05:26
Speaker 2: well try to get in where you fit and get
1:05:28
Speaker 2: everything you can. That's what Pat McAfee's doing. But I
1:05:31
Speaker 2: have not yet listened to the album.
1:05:32
Speaker 3: I don't know that I will. I'm not sure that
1:05:34
Speaker 3: I will either. And you know what, if it's bad,
1:05:38
Speaker 3: it's bad. But you're right, go ahead and try doing
1:05:44
Speaker 3: some things. If you've got to market to sell it,
1:05:46
Speaker 3: if you've got to market to make some money, if
1:05:48
Speaker 3: you've got if you've got a desire to try new things,
1:05:52
Speaker 3: go ahead and do it.
1:05:53
Speaker 1: You got the resources to do it, go for it.
1:05:58
Speaker 2: There is a lot of venom and hate for Pat
1:06:00
Speaker 2: McAfee right now because the perception is that ESPN laid
1:06:05
Speaker 2: off like one hundred people so they could afford to
1:06:07
Speaker 2: keep the Pat McAfee show on.
1:06:08
Speaker 1: Yeah. He and Steven A. Smith are taking all the arrows.
1:06:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, which it's easy to do, right, It's easy to say,
1:06:18
Speaker 2: how dare you? But there are people way way way
1:06:22
Speaker 2: higher on the ladder that are sucking up a bunch
1:06:25
Speaker 2: of air. Right There are administrators and CEOs and you know,
1:06:31
Speaker 2: presidents and things like that that are making decisions in
1:06:34
Speaker 2: that corporation that.
1:06:38
Speaker 1: I don't know.
1:06:39
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily put it. I don't like Steven A.
1:06:42
Speaker 2: Smith at all. I'm not the biggest Pat McAfee fan
1:06:44
Speaker 2: in the world, but I'm not a hater on him either.
1:06:46
Speaker 2: Like you could afford to keep these other employees on ESPN,
1:06:50
Speaker 2: you just decided not to, all right, It's all a
1:06:53
Speaker 2: balance sheet thing.
1:06:54
Speaker 3: And by the way, one of the guys in charge
1:06:58
Speaker 3: of Disney recently, who is responsible for many of these layoffs,
1:07:04
Speaker 3: is now going to be an owner an NBA.
1:07:07
Speaker 2: So you guy, Bob Iger, Yeah, he might go with
1:07:10
Speaker 2: the Tom Dundon route where he just comes into the Lakers,
1:07:13
Speaker 2: the LA Lakers, and it's just like no soap in
1:07:16
Speaker 2: the bathrooms anymore.
1:07:18
Speaker 1: We're saving money.
1:07:19
Speaker 3: Gosh, the the NBA porter Arson put this really well
1:07:23
Speaker 3: last week. The NBA has an owner problem, and it's
1:07:27
Speaker 3: a whole It could be a whole other show breaking
1:07:29
Speaker 3: down why they have an owner problem. I'll just say this,
1:07:32
Speaker 3: there's only one league in major North American sports that
1:07:36
Speaker 3: has an owner that is helping a country bomb civilians.
1:07:40
Speaker 3: That's we're not gonna stay away from that. We're gonna
1:07:43
Speaker 3: stay away from that.
1:07:44
Speaker 2: It's gnarly if you want to look at what Memphis
1:07:47
Speaker 2: Grizzlies owners side jobs are. This was a heartwarming, cool
1:07:53
Speaker 2: thing to see out of Utah football. Every year there
1:07:57
Speaker 2: is a player who is named the recipient of the
1:08:00
Speaker 2: twenty two Forever Scholarship Fund. That that scholarship, right, the
1:08:06
Speaker 2: Aaron Low and Ti Jordan Memorial Scholarship, is an important part.
1:08:11
Speaker 1: It's like part of the fabric of Utah football now.
1:08:14
Speaker 2: And every year there's a one member of the team
1:08:16
Speaker 2: who is selected to kind of be the guy who
1:08:20
Speaker 2: represents sort of their life, their lifestyle, the light that
1:08:24
Speaker 2: they brought to the program to memorialize them and projected.
1:08:31
Speaker 2: Starting center Al Harrison is the guy who got that
1:08:35
Speaker 2: on her this year, and they showed that on the
1:08:38
Speaker 2: official social media accounts of Utah Football. I don't think
1:08:42
Speaker 2: we're gonna get as many of the hey, here's a
1:08:45
Speaker 2: walk on being awarded a scholarship thing.
1:08:47
Speaker 1: I don't think that.
1:08:48
Speaker 2: I think that's gonna go away kind of because it's
1:08:50
Speaker 2: now roster limits instead of scholarship limits and stuff like that.
1:08:54
Speaker 2: So that feel good kind of thing that we used
1:08:57
Speaker 2: to get every year from multiple programs in college football,
1:09:00
Speaker 2: you're gonna get less of. This will do a good
1:09:03
Speaker 2: job of replacing that.
1:09:04
Speaker 9: For me.
1:09:04
Speaker 2: When we see who the coaches and players on the
1:09:07
Speaker 2: team have decided to honor with being the recipient of
1:09:11
Speaker 2: the twenty two Forever Memorial Scholarship.
1:09:13
Speaker 3: It's interesting this twenty two Forever Memorial Scholarship because the
1:09:19
Speaker 3: players that have been awarded this are not necessarily they
1:09:23
Speaker 3: weren't necessarily walk ons, right, No, I think they're just there.
1:09:27
Speaker 3: We're just telling them that you are the the Tie
1:09:30
Speaker 3: or Aaron Lowe Memorial player for u T.
1:09:33
Speaker 2: So each scholarship is funded right by something different. Yeah,
1:09:40
Speaker 2: you can as it like boosters for years and years
1:09:43
Speaker 2: and years have been like we're funding this scholarship, and
1:09:46
Speaker 2: you could be informed like hey this is the okay,
1:09:48
Speaker 2: the Peterson Family Scholarship that that's the one that you're
1:09:51
Speaker 2: getting and stuff like that. So this one is gotcha.
1:09:55
Speaker 2: It's yeah, you're just you're a scholarship player. He already
1:09:58
Speaker 2: was a scholarship player, but this is now, this fund
1:10:03
Speaker 2: is paying for his scholarship and he's I imagine right
1:10:07
Speaker 2: like when they do a fundraising lunch or whatever, he's
1:10:10
Speaker 2: the player that's going to go to that. When when
1:10:13
Speaker 2: Taka and company come Jordan come to like be with
1:10:18
Speaker 2: the team as they do every single year, it'll be like, hey,
1:10:21
Speaker 2: this is our guy. He's the one kind of carrying
1:10:23
Speaker 2: the torch for Tyan Aaron. So's it's a cool honor
1:10:27
Speaker 2: for a teammate, remember the team to have and we
1:10:32
Speaker 2: are sadly, crazily tragically you know, well, it's not tragic.
1:10:36
Speaker 2: The time passes, but it's crazy how fast it does pass.
1:10:41
Speaker 2: We're getting to a point now where, you know, the
1:10:45
Speaker 2: guys that actually knew Tyan Aaron are aging out of
1:10:49
Speaker 2: the program. There's not gonna be guys in the program
1:10:51
Speaker 2: anymore that knew them. There's coaches obviously, but Al Harrison
1:10:57
Speaker 2: and the players that keep receiving the scholarship. We're gonna
1:10:59
Speaker 2: have to kind of pass that knowledge down from one
1:11:02
Speaker 2: guy to the next. That oral history, hopefully is something
1:11:06
Speaker 2: that they take very seriously at the University of Utah
1:11:08
Speaker 2: because I think the fan base, right, the legacy of
1:11:11
Speaker 2: those two young men and the way the team decided to,
1:11:16
Speaker 2: you know, retire their jersey and memorialize them and do
1:11:20
Speaker 2: the moments of loudness at games and stuff like that,
1:11:23
Speaker 2: that's that's gonna stay intact.
1:11:27
Speaker 1: We don't know the.
1:11:28
Speaker 2: Real stories of like what they were like to hang
1:11:31
Speaker 2: out with, players do and they can pass those on
1:11:34
Speaker 2: from one to the next. So, Al Harrison, I guess
1:11:37
Speaker 2: that's your job this year. I alluded to this before
1:11:42
Speaker 2: we took the break. We were somehow had gotten on
1:11:45
Speaker 2: Ohio State Michigan.
1:11:47
Speaker 12: Oh.
1:11:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Kyle Whittingham has not endeared himself to Michigan
1:11:50
Speaker 2: fans by saying he doesn't hate Ohio State.
1:11:53
Speaker 1: Well beat him without hating them. Guys.
1:11:56
Speaker 2: Ohio State is moving their Senior Day fan festivities.
1:12:00
Speaker 1: Did you see this?
1:12:02
Speaker 2: No, So, Ohio State is not going to do the
1:12:06
Speaker 2: Senior Day stuff on Senior Day because that's Michigan Week.
1:12:10
Speaker 1: Okay, So they are moving Senior Day to Week one.
1:12:16
Speaker 2: Oh, they're gonna honor the seniors week one, do the
1:12:23
Speaker 2: whole like pregame halftime.
1:12:25
Speaker 1: Put the the.
1:12:26
Speaker 2: Flower lays around, and have the families come out onto
1:12:30
Speaker 2: the field. And you're gonna do that week one instead
1:12:34
Speaker 2: of the final weekend the season because their head coach
1:12:41
Speaker 2: does not want Ryan Day does not want further distraction
1:12:45
Speaker 2: added to Michigan Week. I can't I really can't decide
1:12:51
Speaker 2: where I stand on this because it's either like, dude,
1:12:56
Speaker 2: you're taking away what could be? Can you like if
1:12:59
Speaker 2: you're a c you're at Ohio State and your senior Day,
1:13:03
Speaker 2: your family, everyone is there, Mom and Dad walk you
1:13:06
Speaker 2: out onto the field for the last time.
1:13:07
Speaker 1: Whatever, Right, you get the.
1:13:10
Speaker 2: Shoe going crazy for you that last time, and you
1:13:14
Speaker 2: beat Michigan on the.
1:13:15
Speaker 1: Same day, that's as good as a day as you're
1:13:17
Speaker 1: gonna have for an Ohio State Buckeye.
1:13:21
Speaker 2: But also, yeah, it makes halftime a little bit longer,
1:13:25
Speaker 2: kind of interrupts the flow of things. Maybe you have
1:13:28
Speaker 2: a little bit of an emotional dump associated with it
1:13:31
Speaker 2: being the end and not associated with the game. You
1:13:34
Speaker 2: don't want to lose any even modicum of energy in
1:13:38
Speaker 2: the rivalry game that you're gonna need to beat a
1:13:40
Speaker 2: good Michigan team.
1:13:41
Speaker 1: Et cetera.
1:13:42
Speaker 2: So I can't I can't decide if this is like
1:13:45
Speaker 2: kind of soft or it's just good planning by Ryan Day,
1:13:49
Speaker 2: or maybe it's both.
1:13:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I think that those points that you're speculating against,
1:13:57
Speaker 3: the reasons why Ryan Day might think that Senior Day
1:14:01
Speaker 3: is too much of a distraction are valid. Lose some
1:14:06
Speaker 3: energy because it's so emotional, and the game's already emotional enough.
1:14:10
Speaker 1: Because it's a rivalry game, et cetera.
1:14:14
Speaker 3: My question is, how about when you won like eleven
1:14:19
Speaker 3: in a row recently, like and half of those were
1:14:24
Speaker 3: were senior days for you, and a lot of them
1:14:26
Speaker 3: were blowout wins for Ohio State.
1:14:30
Speaker 1: Some of them. One of them at least was Ryan
1:14:33
Speaker 1: Day as a head coach.
1:14:34
Speaker 3: I don't think that energy and expending too much emotion
1:14:39
Speaker 3: on not the not on the football field during game
1:14:43
Speaker 3: time was a problem then, So I I don't know.
1:14:47
Speaker 3: I it feels unnecessary. And if you're going to move
1:14:52
Speaker 3: it away from that game for those somewhat valid reasons,
1:14:56
Speaker 3: oh see, why not do it the second to last
1:14:59
Speaker 3: home game?
1:15:00
Speaker 1: Here's the why? The beginning of this season.
1:15:03
Speaker 2: This is where I have a big problem with it
1:15:05
Speaker 2: is it's so anti climactic, Right, It's the beginning of
1:15:08
Speaker 2: the season. You're supposed to be celebrating the beginning of
1:15:11
Speaker 2: a season, excitement, getting back to it.
1:15:13
Speaker 7: Yeah not.
1:15:13
Speaker 1: Hey, here's a reminder. This is the last one.
1:15:16
Speaker 2: So I hate it for that reason. Also, Week one,
1:15:20
Speaker 2: you know who the opponent is. As a big Ohio
1:15:22
Speaker 2: State fan, it's ball State. You're having a senior day
1:15:26
Speaker 2: against Ball State.
1:15:28
Speaker 1: Shout out. That sucks. I just just keep it, just
1:15:34
Speaker 1: keep it. At the end of the year, if you're
1:15:36
Speaker 1: a house state.
1:15:37
Speaker 2: But whatever, if I'm a senior on this team, and
1:15:40
Speaker 2: every other senior before me has had their senior Day
1:15:44
Speaker 2: against at least a Big ten opponent, right, many of
1:15:49
Speaker 2: them against Michigan, So many hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
1:15:53
Speaker 2: of them against Michigan, and they're like, oh yeah, Senior Day,
1:15:57
Speaker 2: ball State week one.
1:16:00
Speaker 1: There's a better alternative for this Ryan Day.
1:16:02
Speaker 3: I mean, at least that's as much of a guarantee
1:16:06
Speaker 3: as you're gonna get that there, you're gonna win on
1:16:08
Speaker 3: your senior Day, I guess.
1:16:10
Speaker 2: I guess that's the silver lighting. Do it in November
1:16:13
Speaker 2: fourteenth when you host Northwestern. That's the second to last
1:16:18
Speaker 2: home game of your season.
1:16:20
Speaker 3: And the other thing, I just think, as by principal,
1:16:24
Speaker 3: senior Day needs to be the last.
1:16:26
Speaker 1: Game on the field.
1:16:29
Speaker 3: Point not your first game on the field of your
1:16:32
Speaker 3: last season.
1:16:33
Speaker 1: I don't know.
1:16:35
Speaker 2: And most teams, by the way, have moved the festivities
1:16:40
Speaker 2: to pregame so that it doesn't interfere with halftime.
1:16:43
Speaker 1: Get it out of the way, Just move it to pregame.
1:16:46
Speaker 1: Just do that.
1:16:48
Speaker 3: Then then you expended all your extra emotion and you
1:16:52
Speaker 3: do it early enough pregame that you get enough time
1:16:54
Speaker 3: to lock back in and then you have no excuse.
1:16:57
Speaker 3: Come on, dude, old on, this is Ryan Day. I
1:17:01
Speaker 3: can't believe they said what they said about me on
1:17:04
Speaker 3: my program on the shout o'condles.
1:17:06
Speaker 1: That's right.
1:17:06
Speaker 2: He's listening right now, and he's very upset that we're
1:17:09
Speaker 2: criticizing him and his fake super you know, black Beard.
1:17:13
Speaker 3: You know what, Ryan Day. I think the late Lou
1:17:15
Speaker 3: Holtz would agree with us too. Oh shoot, that is
1:17:18
Speaker 3: that a trigger for you?
1:17:20
Speaker 1: We're not going to get into it.
1:17:22
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, zero two seven nine says that sounds weak
1:17:26
Speaker 2: on Day's part. Senior Day has always been end of
1:17:28
Speaker 2: season everywhere. He sounds scared, and now Witt hates Ohio
1:17:32
Speaker 2: State because that is the absolute opposite of what Kyle
1:17:35
Speaker 2: Whittingham would do. Now, let's see what is uh Michigan
1:17:40
Speaker 2: football schedule, because they're obviously not having Senior Day at
1:17:44
Speaker 2: the shoe.
1:17:46
Speaker 1: You got to do yours if you're Michigan.
1:17:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, the week before against UCLA the week before Okay,
1:17:52
Speaker 2: all right, that's I mean, it's a big ten opponents
1:17:56
Speaker 2: and it's so winnable.
1:17:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna win that game.
1:18:00
Speaker 3: Couple of notes I saw going back to the eight
1:18:03
Speaker 3: people OC that's interesting. From the Big twelve conference. This
1:18:08
Speaker 3: is BYU's second highest preseason poll ranking and history in
1:18:14
Speaker 3: program history fourteenth. I didn't realize that interesting, So a
1:18:18
Speaker 3: historic start in as far as polling goes for BYU.
1:18:24
Speaker 3: This is Texas tex As number twelve, the highest preseason
1:18:28
Speaker 3: AP ranking for them since nineteen seventy seven, and then
1:18:32
Speaker 3: Houston has not been This is their highest preseason ranking
1:18:37
Speaker 3: in the AP since number fifteen in the twenty sixteen season.
1:18:41
Speaker 3: So some historically high rankings in the preseason for three
1:18:46
Speaker 3: of the four Big twelve teams ranked. For Utah, it's
1:18:48
Speaker 3: just continuing their recent It's they've been ranked in the
1:18:52
Speaker 3: preseason six of the last seven.
1:18:53
Speaker 1: I think I saw that.
1:18:56
Speaker 2: Houston has only been ranked in the preseason three times. Yeah,
1:19:00
Speaker 2: so sneaky historic historically high rankings for the Big twelve
1:19:07
Speaker 2: teams in this year's preseason four Yeah, let's see number
1:19:10
Speaker 2: twenty three heson first preseason ranking in the last four
1:19:13
Speaker 2: years and a third time since nineteen ninety one. Okay,
1:19:19
Speaker 2: so they've been in it more than but only three
1:19:21
Speaker 2: times since nineteen ninety one.
1:19:22
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Nineteen ninety one is the cutoff
1:19:24
Speaker 1: year for that, but there it is thirty five years.
1:19:31
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Speaker 12: I'm great. Ore everybody doing all right?
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Speaker 2: As we march closer to the college football season, just
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Speaker 2: a couple thursdays from now, we'll have Utah back in
1:21:00
Speaker 2: action and they will have players wearing number five on
1:21:04
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball.
1:21:08
Speaker 1: I love the way that this whole.
1:21:09
Speaker 2: Dispute between Jane Daniels and LSU was memified by other
1:21:14
Speaker 2: sports organizations over the weekend.
1:21:16
Speaker 1: But I mean we'll start there with a little laugh.
1:21:20
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this whole situation where a Heisman Trophy
1:21:24
Speaker 2: winner wants his number to be protected, not worn by
1:21:28
Speaker 2: this corner picket, and now there's cease and desist, there's
1:21:33
Speaker 2: legal letters being thrown around, there's hey, give me the
1:21:36
Speaker 2: school's copy of the Heisman trophy.
1:21:38
Speaker 1: It feels kind of petty. What are your thoughts?
1:21:42
Speaker 12: Yeah, extremely And this has got to be one of
1:21:46
Speaker 12: the first cases in which somebody that is trying to
1:21:50
Speaker 12: actually protect their nil actually has done more damage to
1:21:53
Speaker 12: their name, image and likeness in terms of their image,
1:21:56
Speaker 12: which is exactly the case here in order to protect
1:22:00
Speaker 12: your NIL, you've really hurt your Q rating, which is
1:22:03
Speaker 12: not going to help long term in terms of, you know,
1:22:06
Speaker 12: your ability to market yourself and leverage that name, image
1:22:09
Speaker 12: and likeness and look. I mean, I think this is
1:22:12
Speaker 12: a big year for Jaden Daniels, and so for this
1:22:15
Speaker 12: to sort of be priority number one, I mean, I'm
1:22:17
Speaker 12: sure it's not completely but it certainly seems like it is.
1:22:20
Speaker 12: And perception is reality. Whether it's his mom behind the
1:22:23
Speaker 12: scenes calling the shots or whatever it is, it's just
1:22:26
Speaker 12: a really bad look. And I think, like all joking
1:22:28
Speaker 12: aside o, see, in some ways this is very much
1:22:31
Speaker 12: indicative of why a lot of people are sort of
1:22:34
Speaker 12: ticked off with the NIL era from a standpoint of
1:22:38
Speaker 12: you didn't invent football. You didn't invent the number five.
1:22:41
Speaker 12: That's the joke here, right Like you did not invent
1:22:43
Speaker 12: the number five. You're not the greatest player in the
1:22:44
Speaker 12: history of LSU. LSU's had far better ambassadors. LSU's had
1:22:48
Speaker 12: far better players. You had a magical season to not
1:22:51
Speaker 12: win a national championship, one a Heisman Trophy, were a
1:22:54
Speaker 12: top five pick, Like, You've done very well for yourself.
1:22:56
Speaker 12: But I just think a lot of people and fans
1:22:59
Speaker 12: in particular, are set up with this idea of like,
1:23:01
Speaker 12: you know, all these athletes believe themselves to be the
1:23:05
Speaker 12: greatest gift to football and that they're basically the only
1:23:09
Speaker 12: people that matter, and you know, and it's like, there's
1:23:11
Speaker 12: this whole historical context for LSU and I'm sure number
1:23:15
Speaker 12: five has a historical context. It's just a joke of
1:23:19
Speaker 12: you know, hey, this sport existed well before you. It
1:23:22
Speaker 12: doesn't survive based on you, and it'll be long, it'll
1:23:24
Speaker 12: be gone here and it'll be alive far beyond your life.
1:23:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a really I mean, it's an
1:23:31
Speaker 2: important sort of zoom out and see a different perspective
1:23:35
Speaker 2: lesson probably for other players around the country, because I
1:23:39
Speaker 2: get it, you're nineteen, you're twenty years old. The world
1:23:42
Speaker 2: revolves around you, especially when you're one of these, you know,
1:23:45
Speaker 2: blue chip type athletes, and you're like, I need to
1:23:49
Speaker 2: wear this number, all right, cool, Well, now you're your
1:23:54
Speaker 2: pre predecessor who wore that number, who's you know whatever,
1:23:57
Speaker 2: three years older than you, has a problem with that.
1:24:00
Speaker 2: You feel justified in wanting to wear it. He feels justified,
1:24:03
Speaker 2: and hey, why why should you get to wear it,
1:24:06
Speaker 2: and really, like all parties have to examine, like, wait,
1:24:11
Speaker 2: what is by level of importance to LSU football? Like
1:24:14
Speaker 2: you said to the game at large, et cetera, it's
1:24:17
Speaker 2: a very very odd thing. I understand why numbers mean
1:24:20
Speaker 2: something to people, Right, You're sentimental about it. Your dad
1:24:24
Speaker 2: wore the number, your grandpa wore the number. You've only
1:24:26
Speaker 2: ever had a good game wearing that number, whatever, superstition,
1:24:30
Speaker 2: all that stuff. At the end of the day, especially
1:24:33
Speaker 2: for Jade and Daniels, like you just mentioned.
1:24:35
Speaker 1: This feels like the biggest disaster.
1:24:37
Speaker 2: It's it's a lose lose fight now because even if
1:24:41
Speaker 2: the kid doesn't wear it, everyone's gonna be making fun
1:24:43
Speaker 2: of you. And if he does, not only did you
1:24:46
Speaker 2: lose on that front, but everyone knows that you were
1:24:49
Speaker 2: pitching a fit about.
1:24:50
Speaker 12: It, right, I mean you are, You're now the brunt
1:24:53
Speaker 12: of all these jokes. And you know, look, I mean,
1:24:57
Speaker 12: I get you've done a lot in your career, and
1:24:59
Speaker 12: you know your whole we do way together, a long
1:25:01
Speaker 12: NFL career that ends up with a gold jacket. But
1:25:03
Speaker 12: you've got a lot to prove, you know, in this
1:25:06
Speaker 12: in this career, in order to do that. And you know, again,
1:25:09
Speaker 12: I just go back to like this idea of entitlement
1:25:11
Speaker 12: and like you know, LSU football in particular, and much
1:25:15
Speaker 12: in the same way of Utah football. But I mean,
1:25:18
Speaker 12: there is a long history, there's major historical context here.
1:25:22
Speaker 12: There are plenty of players and and and teams and coaches.
1:25:27
Speaker 12: You know, it's I just think there are probably a
1:25:29
Speaker 12: lot of fans fatigued with the Nil era, but maybe
1:25:33
Speaker 12: not as much as they're fatigued with this part of
1:25:37
Speaker 12: the Nile era. Just this idea of I'm bigger than
1:25:40
Speaker 12: the game, I'm bigger than LSU. I mean, we just
1:25:43
Speaker 12: got through with this in many ways with Darren Peterson
1:25:47
Speaker 12: at Kansas, where it's like you're just you're not as
1:25:49
Speaker 12: big as the program as you think you are. And
1:25:51
Speaker 12: that's just in many ways the element that we live
1:25:53
Speaker 12: in right now. We have an era of extreme entitlement,
1:25:57
Speaker 12: and that's what this is a product of. I'm entitled
1:26:01
Speaker 12: to forever have the number five associated with me. Dude,
1:26:04
Speaker 12: you were at LSU for two years. How many lettermen
1:26:07
Speaker 12: they've had, how many you know, elite four year starters
1:26:10
Speaker 12: they've had that have gone on to be in the
1:26:11
Speaker 12: College Football Hall of Fame and some and some of
1:26:14
Speaker 12: them have gone on to have you know, Hall of Fame,
1:26:16
Speaker 12: NFL careers, like there just seems to be all that
1:26:20
Speaker 12: lost on current players, and it is I think very much,
1:26:24
Speaker 12: you know, upsetting too many of the long term fans
1:26:27
Speaker 12: of the sport. Like if you're a long time LSU fan,
1:26:29
Speaker 12: if you live in Baton, Rouge or Shreveport or New
1:26:32
Speaker 12: Orleans and you've been a long time LSU fan, like
1:26:34
Speaker 12: Jayden Daniels hit a good run, but like Joe Burrow
1:26:38
Speaker 12: is a bigger deal. LSU ed Orgeron is a bigger deal.
1:26:44
Speaker 12: I mean, just go back and go through the great
1:26:47
Speaker 12: quarterbacks and players and Nashville Nick Sabin, I mean, Jadeen
1:26:53
Speaker 12: Daniels thinks way highly more highly of himself, I think
1:26:57
Speaker 12: than many of the LSU fans do. And I'm sure
1:27:00
Speaker 12: again LSU fans, you know, like his time, and he
1:27:03
Speaker 12: was a really good player. I was at the LSU
1:27:04
Speaker 12: Alabama game where he had through a touchdown pass you
1:27:06
Speaker 12: overtime to win the game. Was it was iconic, But
1:27:09
Speaker 12: like you know, there's been many iconic moments of that
1:27:11
Speaker 12: football program. And that's sort of the point here is
1:27:13
Speaker 12: you're just a caretaker, you know, of this amazing program.
1:27:16
Speaker 12: You're not the centerpiece of that program. And it feels
1:27:19
Speaker 12: like this makes you look like you are the centerpiece.
1:27:23
Speaker 2: Ari Tim Can our guests here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
1:27:25
Speaker 2: talking all things college football. The AP poll came out
1:27:29
Speaker 2: and same team's, same order, slightly different placement for a
1:27:33
Speaker 2: couple of them from the Big twelve.
1:27:36
Speaker 1: Texas Tech is your highest ranked Big twelve team.
1:27:38
Speaker 2: Then BYU you taught number twenty one, Houston sneaking inside
1:27:43
Speaker 2: the top twenty five. So no real surprises there. That's
1:27:46
Speaker 2: what we saw from the coach's poll, and a lot
1:27:48
Speaker 2: of publications are kind of putting out this same thing.
1:27:51
Speaker 2: You've gone through, and you've looked at the rosters of
1:27:54
Speaker 2: these teams, You've looked at the schedules for these teams,
1:27:57
Speaker 2: the greatest upward mobility, uh, the in the greatest risk
1:28:01
Speaker 2: for falling down of those preseason ranked teams.
1:28:06
Speaker 1: Who do you think it is?
1:28:07
Speaker 12: Yeah? And I mean, as much as you know, we
1:28:09
Speaker 12: want to make this seem like more of a joke,
1:28:13
Speaker 12: or not a joke, but more of a talking point,
1:28:16
Speaker 12: like I don't think we can underplay the importance of
1:28:18
Speaker 12: the AP Top twenty five, the preseason one in terms of,
1:28:21
Speaker 12: you know, the college football playoff poll. I mean, it
1:28:24
Speaker 12: is a usually influential poll just in terms of the
1:28:28
Speaker 12: regular season. Should it be no? Is it absolutely? And look,
1:28:33
Speaker 12: I'll say this, I think it's important for the Big
1:28:36
Speaker 12: Twelve to have the teams that are on the AP
1:28:38
Speaker 12: Top twenty five right now stay there and you know,
1:28:41
Speaker 12: and push up and not find themselves with early losses.
1:28:45
Speaker 12: I mean, the biggest issue right now with the Big
1:28:47
Speaker 12: twelve is perception, and at this point, perception is that
1:28:51
Speaker 12: the Big Twelve is just not very good. It's a bunch,
1:28:53
Speaker 12: you know, the average teams, and then there's Texas Tech,
1:28:55
Speaker 12: who you know, I think most people would observe aren't
1:28:58
Speaker 12: exactly a player on the national state because of what
1:29:00
Speaker 12: happened last year. And you know, it's funny, I've been
1:29:03
Speaker 12: We've been talking a lot on accountdown to Kickoff about
1:29:06
Speaker 12: what's happening lately, and I've only become more and more
1:29:09
Speaker 12: enamored with Utah, with Devin dam Pierre, with what they've
1:29:12
Speaker 12: done in lead up to camp. I mean, the story
1:29:14
Speaker 12: with this scrimmage recently, where you know, they basically caught
1:29:17
Speaker 12: an audible that worked successfully, but was not a play
1:29:21
Speaker 12: that Kevin mcgiven had installed or even their their their
1:29:25
Speaker 12: their quarterbacks coach, and basically the I think was Steve Bartell,
1:29:29
Speaker 12: who wrote about this for Cancel Sports, basically saying like, yeah,
1:29:32
Speaker 12: this was a group that got together in Arizona independently
1:29:34
Speaker 12: and put this together. I think that says a lot
1:29:36
Speaker 12: about Devon dam Pierre. I think it says a lot
1:29:38
Speaker 12: about their potential this year, and it says a lot
1:29:40
Speaker 12: about I think where they are minus the offensive lineman
1:29:43
Speaker 12: they lost. So it's a long way sean to say like,
1:29:47
Speaker 12: I think the right the right pieces are in this
1:29:49
Speaker 12: ap top twenty five. I certainly think of the four
1:29:52
Speaker 12: best teams of the Big twelve being those four. And
1:29:55
Speaker 12: so now it's about living up to the expectations because
1:29:57
Speaker 12: if there's a bad loss, you know with one of
1:30:00
Speaker 12: these teams early on, that will have a major stain
1:30:03
Speaker 12: on the conference. Should it know? Will it? Absolutely? The
1:30:06
Speaker 12: conference just has very few games which it's judged, and
1:30:09
Speaker 12: so as long as they kind of hold serve and
1:30:11
Speaker 12: the teams that are expected to be good stay good.
1:30:13
Speaker 12: I think the perception of the Big Twelve will continue
1:30:15
Speaker 12: to grow. But I mean, Houston Texas Tech Week three
1:30:19
Speaker 12: as one of the starting points for conference play is
1:30:22
Speaker 12: a big one, you know BYU and Arizona Week two
1:30:26
Speaker 12: is a really good one early on. So there's some
1:30:28
Speaker 12: really good early games that could have an indication on
1:30:31
Speaker 12: how this could go.
1:30:33
Speaker 2: The other polls, there's like the also receiving votes and
1:30:36
Speaker 2: Arizona is in that category, right, Houston sneaking into the
1:30:39
Speaker 2: top twenty five Arizona and that like, hey, maybe kind
1:30:43
Speaker 2: of position.
1:30:45
Speaker 1: Is there anyone else for you?
1:30:46
Speaker 2: I mean, Arizona is on everyone's mind and we've talked
1:30:49
Speaker 2: about them before. But if all things go well for
1:30:53
Speaker 2: the Big twelve conference and you get a couple of
1:30:55
Speaker 2: surprise teams, then you know, if it's Arizona or could
1:30:59
Speaker 2: it be Arizona State? Is there somebody else that As
1:31:02
Speaker 2: we've done more study and gotten more ready for this season,
1:31:05
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, I'm convinced they're going to be
1:31:07
Speaker 2: a top twenty five team at least.
1:31:09
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, I'm actually kind
1:31:11
Speaker 12: of surprised that Oklahoma State wasn't the others receiving vote
1:31:14
Speaker 12: category because they've definitely been an off season Darling from
1:31:18
Speaker 12: you know, a national perspective, I'm still curious about Oklahoma
1:31:22
Speaker 12: State's defense, and you know, will it be able to
1:31:26
Speaker 12: carry them towards the top of the Big Twelve. And remember,
1:31:29
Speaker 12: I mean this is a team that has not won
1:31:31
Speaker 12: a game against an FCS opponent in two years and
1:31:35
Speaker 12: has lost eighteen straight Big Twelve games. So you know,
1:31:38
Speaker 12: they probably need to walk a little bit before they
1:31:41
Speaker 12: before they can run. In terms of the crawl walk
1:31:44
Speaker 12: run situation that they're in right now, I'm losing two
1:31:46
Speaker 12: games rather winning zero Big Twelve games in two seasons
1:31:50
Speaker 12: is more of a crawl before he could walk type situation.
1:31:53
Speaker 12: Baylor to me, and you know, look, maybe I'm the
1:31:56
Speaker 12: boy who cried wolf with Baylor because I picked him
1:31:58
Speaker 12: to win the Big Twelve last year and that was
1:31:59
Speaker 12: an absolute des But I'm really high on Baylor as
1:32:02
Speaker 12: being one of those teams simply because I think this
1:32:04
Speaker 12: defense is going to be very good. Osiah Wheeler, who
1:32:07
Speaker 12: spent the last three years at Indiana Out then obviously
1:32:09
Speaker 12: win a national championship in the middle of that defense.
1:32:12
Speaker 12: He was cleared and is now eligible to play for
1:32:14
Speaker 12: at least the first three months of the season and
1:32:16
Speaker 12: we'll see what ends up happening with that. I think
1:32:18
Speaker 12: their defensive line led by Wheeler is going to be
1:32:20
Speaker 12: really good. And I really like Joe Klanderman, who longtime
1:32:24
Speaker 12: defensive cordator Kansas State, who at his time in Kansas
1:32:27
Speaker 12: State like his worst defenses were average. At this point,
1:32:30
Speaker 12: Baylor fans, I think would take an average defense. And
1:32:32
Speaker 12: then the last one I'll mention is TCU the biggest
1:32:35
Speaker 12: thing holding TCU back and I would say the same
1:32:37
Speaker 12: case for Arizona. Here is their schedule. Arizona and TCU
1:32:39
Speaker 12: have brutal schedules. Arizona has to play all three of
1:32:42
Speaker 12: the top teams from the Big Twelve last year, Texas, Tech, UYU,
1:32:46
Speaker 12: and Utah. They also start off the season, you know,
1:32:50
Speaker 12: playing BUYU League two, which is really tough. But TCU,
1:32:53
Speaker 12: to me is another one of these teams that they play.
1:32:55
Speaker 12: You know, they play next week. So next week is
1:32:58
Speaker 12: a game week for them as they play a week
1:32:59
Speaker 12: from s Saturday, the twenty ninth in Dublin against North
1:33:04
Speaker 12: Carolina And it starts at that game because expectations are
1:33:06
Speaker 12: you're gonna beat UNC like you beat him last year. Well,
1:33:09
Speaker 12: I think North Carolina should be improved. By God, they
1:33:11
Speaker 12: can't be any worse, so that'll be a tough one.
1:33:15
Speaker 12: But they have I think a total shift in terms
1:33:18
Speaker 12: of their offensive philosophy. You know, they hired Gordon Samus,
1:33:21
Speaker 12: who comes in from Yukon. They've had a really ground
1:33:25
Speaker 12: and pound offense at Yukon that was very successful. And
1:33:28
Speaker 12: then Jaden Kraig comes in from Harvard is another guy
1:33:31
Speaker 12: that you know, was a guy that didn't turn the
1:33:34
Speaker 12: ball over a lot. They wanted to be more consistent
1:33:36
Speaker 12: on the ground and they wanted to have an offense
1:33:39
Speaker 12: that didn't turn the ball over because they feel like
1:33:41
Speaker 12: they've got a really good defense, especially starting with their
1:33:43
Speaker 12: defensive line. And I see one of the things I'm
1:33:45
Speaker 12: always looking for in terms of preseason expectations are how
1:33:49
Speaker 12: good are you upfront on both lines sucrimmage, and I
1:33:51
Speaker 12: think there's a few teams that are as good upfront
1:33:53
Speaker 12: on both sides the ball as TCU, So a t
1:33:55
Speaker 12: season on one of those teams to watch out for.
1:34:00
Speaker 2: Ryan Day is moving senior day to week one, so
1:34:04
Speaker 2: it's not the same week as Michigan. This feels like
1:34:10
Speaker 2: a terrible move. The reaction to it has been pretty terrible.
1:34:14
Speaker 2: I mean, this is nearly the same level of prs
1:34:17
Speaker 2: we just talked about with the Jadeen Daniels situation. What
1:34:20
Speaker 2: is Ryan Day doing. He's already won a national championship.
1:34:24
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to reinvent a wheel here. He's not
1:34:27
Speaker 2: like a first year head coach who's I don't know
1:34:29
Speaker 2: how we're gonna manage this Michigan hype.
1:34:31
Speaker 1: Why is he doing this?
1:34:34
Speaker 12: Yeah, that is a great question. I mean, Senior Day
1:34:38
Speaker 12: is inherently the last opportunity for seniors to play on
1:34:42
Speaker 12: their home field, right, Yeah, I mean this hasn't changed
1:34:47
Speaker 12: in definition yet, has it. So he's completely changed what
1:34:51
Speaker 12: it is, taken everything about it out, and like, the
1:34:56
Speaker 12: reality is, you're only punishing the guys who have benefited
1:34:59
Speaker 12: the program the most, because in this transient time, the
1:35:04
Speaker 12: idea of having four or five year guys at the
1:35:06
Speaker 12: same place is unheard of, and the majority of guys
1:35:10
Speaker 12: that participate in Senior Day across the country are guys
1:35:14
Speaker 12: that have spent one, you know, maybe two, perhaps three years,
1:35:17
Speaker 12: but for the most part, just that one season with them.
1:35:20
Speaker 12: And so you know, you're really most stringently punishing the
1:35:24
Speaker 12: guys who absolutely benefit the program the most. So yeah,
1:35:29
Speaker 12: this is foolish, This is insane, This makes absolutely no sense.
1:35:33
Speaker 12: And again you're like actually taking away from the folks
1:35:37
Speaker 12: that have helped you the most in terms of your
1:35:38
Speaker 12: program by sticking around, by being around there the most,
1:35:40
Speaker 12: by setting the example, or by sending the tone. This
1:35:43
Speaker 12: is supposed to be what you know, their celebration. I
1:35:45
Speaker 12: mean it, it's just funny. OC Like, the further along
1:35:49
Speaker 12: we get, the less this is going to resemble college sports,
1:35:52
Speaker 12: and some of the things that we love the most
1:35:54
Speaker 12: about college sports are now being sucked away for what
1:35:59
Speaker 12: for what be able because it's a Michigan game. Like,
1:36:01
Speaker 12: come on, this is as long as I mean you
1:36:03
Speaker 12: talk about high school football and college football. Nobody has
1:36:07
Speaker 12: to be explained in America what senior Night is and
1:36:09
Speaker 12: what it means. If you ever participated in one of
1:36:12
Speaker 12: those as an athlete yourself, you know what it means,
1:36:15
Speaker 12: and you know that in many ways, as a freshman
1:36:18
Speaker 12: or sophomore or junior, you get to watch as some
1:36:20
Speaker 12: of your teammates and friends and family do the exact
1:36:24
Speaker 12: same thing. It is very much you know, I mean,
1:36:27
Speaker 12: it's I hate to be like to play to these
1:36:29
Speaker 12: cliches and stuff like this is what makes college football different,
1:36:34
Speaker 12: this is what makes college sports different. And by doing this,
1:36:37
Speaker 12: you're sort of playing into the idea that it's not
1:36:39
Speaker 12: any different that it is the National Football League.
1:36:43
Speaker 2: Do you think after this backlash that they stick with
1:36:47
Speaker 2: this plan or can he can he say, I mean,
1:36:51
Speaker 2: he's thank coach in Ohio State. Can he say, yeah,
1:36:54
Speaker 2: it's actually a bad idea. We'll do it against Michigan,
1:36:56
Speaker 2: not against ball freaking State.
1:37:00
Speaker 12: I mean, I would hope, so, I would you know,
1:37:02
Speaker 12: if there's one thing that is I suppose the positive
1:37:05
Speaker 12: about the current world we live in, it is that
1:37:07
Speaker 12: there is a lot of public pressure on this kind
1:37:09
Speaker 12: of stuff, especially when this stuff can be foolish, and
1:37:11
Speaker 12: this is one of those foolish instances. I mean, I
1:37:13
Speaker 12: would hope. So, I would hope there'd be somebody with
1:37:15
Speaker 12: a rational brain that's like, what are we doing here?
1:37:18
Speaker 12: Do we not recognize like what this is all about.
1:37:21
Speaker 12: I mean, at the end of the day, I know,
1:37:22
Speaker 12: this is a business and there's tons of money at stake,
1:37:24
Speaker 12: and this is Ohio State. It's a big deal, But
1:37:26
Speaker 12: like you know, I mean, we're not gonna have tligates
1:37:28
Speaker 12: before games? Are we not going to have a band anymore?
1:37:31
Speaker 12: You know? Like these, these are all the parts that
1:37:33
Speaker 12: we have to really protect, quite frankly, if we're gonna
1:37:36
Speaker 12: be stewards of the things that make college football great.
1:37:39
Speaker 12: This is one of them. This is one of them.
1:37:42
Speaker 12: This is like, think about the guys that didn't play
1:37:45
Speaker 12: a ton, didn't see a ton of snaps stuck around,
1:37:47
Speaker 12: I mean, went through two a days, went through grueling practices,
1:37:51
Speaker 12: difficult lifts like all of that, just to be recognized
1:37:54
Speaker 12: on senior night and the last day, Like what are
1:37:56
Speaker 12: we doing so stupid?
1:37:59
Speaker 1: What are we doing? Figure it out?
1:38:01
Speaker 12: Paler Jerior My Smith. It's for everybody else, you know
1:38:05
Speaker 12: what I mean? Like that, that's what's being missed here,
1:38:08
Speaker 12: and that's what makes college sports so great. It's so
1:38:10
Speaker 12: rudy aspect of it, you know, Like I hate to
1:38:13
Speaker 12: be cliche, but that's what it is, and that's what makes.
1:38:15
Speaker 9: U sport greades well.
1:38:16
Speaker 2: I hadn't even thought about that aspect of it, as
1:38:19
Speaker 2: like we need to I'm totally with you. We need
1:38:22
Speaker 2: to do anything we can. I've been on this with rivalries. Primarily,
1:38:28
Speaker 2: you need to do anything we can to preserve the
1:38:30
Speaker 2: things that make college football unique from everything else, right,
1:38:36
Speaker 2: make college football separate and distinct from the NFL. Whatever
1:38:40
Speaker 2: those things are, and you just pointed out correctly Senior
1:38:44
Speaker 2: Night is one of them. We need to preserve those things,
1:38:48
Speaker 2: desperately need to. Otherwise, like you said, it's just pro football,
1:38:53
Speaker 2: we're going to get jaded to it, and we're gonna
1:38:56
Speaker 2: de emphasize all the pageantry, the tradition, the stuff that
1:39:00
Speaker 2: has been part of the fabric for one hundred plus years.
1:39:04
Speaker 12: And you might sit there and be like, oh, this
1:39:06
Speaker 12: is just one little thing, but like slowly, as you
1:39:08
Speaker 12: see the fabric being peeled away, all of a sudden,
1:39:11
Speaker 12: you'll look up and be like, oh, this isn't the
1:39:12
Speaker 12: sport that I saw in love with. This is not
1:39:15
Speaker 12: what I wanted, This is not what I love.
1:39:17
Speaker 2: And there's, honestly, you and I we have a long
1:39:20
Speaker 2: way to go before that happens to us. I talk
1:39:23
Speaker 2: to people every daying day. They're already there with the
1:39:26
Speaker 2: transfer stuff and the NL stuff. Like there's some people
1:39:29
Speaker 2: that can't get on board with even that.
1:39:31
Speaker 12: So right, all right, Oh, and like you you could say,
1:39:35
Speaker 12: we're gonna move senior Night. But like effectively you're saying,
1:39:37
Speaker 12: is senior Night doesn't happen anymore because right, you know,
1:39:40
Speaker 12: moving it to the beginning of the season, it's not
1:39:41
Speaker 12: senior night. That's just a recognition of seniors at the
1:39:44
Speaker 12: beginnier of the season.
1:39:45
Speaker 2: Yes, right, you just open the game program and see
1:39:48
Speaker 2: who's playing there last year. Come on, Ryan, all right, Ryan,
1:39:54
Speaker 2: all right, you're the man. I always appreciate you hopping on, sir,
1:39:56
Speaker 2: Thank you.
1:39:58
Speaker 12: Oh see, you take care of brother, you will.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna come back with the legendary Utah running back
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Speaker 2: Zach Moss to talk what else Utah football camp still underway?
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1:43:50
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Shan O'Connell Show.
1:43:52
Speaker 2: Our number three begins with the legendary Utah running back,
1:43:57
Speaker 2: the twenty nineteen PAC twelve Offensive Player of the Year,
1:44:01
Speaker 2: Zach Moss on the program, Zach, welcome back.
1:44:03
Speaker 1: How are you sir doing well?
1:44:06
Speaker 12: Man?
1:44:06
Speaker 1: How you guys doing doing all right?
1:44:08
Speaker 2: We were joking earlier on the show about all this
1:44:10
Speaker 2: stuff with with Jaydeen Daniels and his number at LSU
1:44:14
Speaker 2: and them being mad that he's not it's not retired
1:44:18
Speaker 2: and there's another player.
1:44:19
Speaker 1: Using it now?
1:44:20
Speaker 2: How crazy were you about the number two when you
1:44:23
Speaker 2: were a college athlete, Like, how how important was your
1:44:26
Speaker 2: number to you?
1:44:29
Speaker 9: I think it was important.
1:44:31
Speaker 13: You know, obviously he has a different relationship with that
1:44:36
Speaker 13: number when you talk about winning the Heisman and things
1:44:38
Speaker 13: of that nature. But you know, I think it's important
1:44:41
Speaker 13: because that's the number A lot of people remember.
1:44:44
Speaker 9: You vibe. But sometimes you try to, you know, be
1:44:47
Speaker 9: a bigger in that number. And I think at the
1:44:49
Speaker 9: end the day, he's still bigger in the number.
1:44:51
Speaker 13: But like I said, I think the main thing is,
1:44:53
Speaker 13: you know, it being connected to him being the third
1:44:57
Speaker 13: heis and winnever at that program, so it's a little different.
1:45:01
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was just looking at I was about
1:45:05
Speaker 2: to ask you who you ever shared that number with
1:45:08
Speaker 2: on the Utah roster, because when you're in the single digits,
1:45:11
Speaker 2: you you know this better than I. When you're in
1:45:13
Speaker 2: the single digits, there's always a defensive player who wants
1:45:15
Speaker 2: to wear that number two.
1:45:18
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:45:20
Speaker 13: When I think defensively, I think a pheel feel on
1:45:24
Speaker 13: one of our safety ward number.
1:45:29
Speaker 9: One, the de inside of the ball when I was there.
1:45:31
Speaker 1: That's right.
1:45:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at the twenty eighteen roster Philip a
1:45:35
Speaker 2: Fia number two six one two oh one.
1:45:39
Speaker 1: Not not quite. Here's the problem.
1:45:42
Speaker 2: If you're if you're going to be the guy who
1:45:43
Speaker 2: wears the same number as one of your teammates, and
1:45:47
Speaker 2: that teammate is Zach Moss that stuff, then you're not
1:45:51
Speaker 2: the best number two on the roster.
1:45:53
Speaker 1: That's that's a hard thing if you're the defensive guy.
1:45:55
Speaker 9: Wearing that, right, I mean, I can't agree to some.
1:46:01
Speaker 1: All right.
1:46:02
Speaker 2: I was asking a question also of the Utah fans
1:46:04
Speaker 2: this year or for this for today, going into this year,
1:46:09
Speaker 2: you know, we know what all the questions are around
1:46:11
Speaker 2: this team. Offensive line, who's it going to be, defensive line,
1:46:15
Speaker 2: who's it going to be? You know, who's going to
1:46:17
Speaker 2: be your leading receiver, that kind of a thing. Is
1:46:20
Speaker 2: there something that you're just certain will be the case
1:46:26
Speaker 2: for Utah football? Like, like for me, I said, here's
1:46:28
Speaker 2: one thing I don't have a question about. I know
1:46:32
Speaker 2: that one difference we will see with Utah football this
1:46:34
Speaker 2: year is more guys, like a higher number of guys
1:46:38
Speaker 2: are going to score touchdowns for this team. You're not
1:46:40
Speaker 2: as limited in the number of weapons you have on
1:46:43
Speaker 2: this team. I think there's going to be better ball distribution.
1:46:47
Speaker 2: I think there's going to be more guys who get
1:46:49
Speaker 2: into the end zone. For you, I could be wrong
1:46:52
Speaker 2: about it, but it's one thing that I don't ask
1:46:54
Speaker 2: a question.
1:46:54
Speaker 1: I think that will be the case.
1:46:56
Speaker 2: Is there something with all these changes that you're not
1:46:59
Speaker 2: questioning that Zach Moss is like, this will be better
1:47:02
Speaker 2: than it was last year?
1:47:04
Speaker 13: I think, honestly, I would have to take the same
1:47:07
Speaker 13: approach as you.
1:47:08
Speaker 9: You know, I think from everything I've.
1:47:10
Speaker 13: Seen and heard so far about this team is you know,
1:47:14
Speaker 13: everybody's just been harping on to death the depth chart
1:47:17
Speaker 13: and how much talent.
1:47:18
Speaker 9: These guys have. You know, how many guys they have
1:47:21
Speaker 9: that could you know.
1:47:23
Speaker 13: Be at the starter right that's maybe on the depth
1:47:26
Speaker 13: chart at the three or the fourth spot. So I
1:47:29
Speaker 13: think that's the main thing is you know, I think
1:47:33
Speaker 13: that's gonna be something that we definitely see where these guys,
1:47:36
Speaker 13: it's going to be a lot of different people, you know,
1:47:39
Speaker 13: having big games. You know, it's not going to be
1:47:42
Speaker 13: one specific person. I think obviously Dan Pierre and Ficklinken
1:47:46
Speaker 13: Parker will be you know obviously the main three guys
1:47:49
Speaker 13: that are going to be doing most of the damage,
1:47:52
Speaker 13: which hope, right, But I think it's gonna be a
1:47:55
Speaker 13: ton of guys that's doing a lot of different things
1:47:59
Speaker 13: that's on the office, out of the ball, special teams,
1:48:01
Speaker 13: defense side of the ball, because this is a younger
1:48:03
Speaker 13: team on the defenside of the ball, so you know
1:48:06
Speaker 13: they're going to act a lot of guys to show
1:48:08
Speaker 13: up and be dominant, which I think.
1:48:10
Speaker 9: This team can do. So it'd be interesting to see
1:48:14
Speaker 9: for sure.
1:48:16
Speaker 2: What was your relationship as a player, you know, college
1:48:19
Speaker 2: NFL when as a running back, you know, you get
1:48:23
Speaker 2: whatever seven carries during the series. You marched eighty yards
1:48:27
Speaker 2: down the field and then in that red zone you
1:48:31
Speaker 2: got six more yards to go, and your number is
1:48:34
Speaker 2: not called. The touchdown is given to somebody else. It's
1:48:37
Speaker 2: a different play. Or maybe you know you're huffing and
1:48:40
Speaker 2: puffing because you've been carrying a little the whole way
1:48:42
Speaker 2: down and then somebody else comes in and gets that carry.
1:48:45
Speaker 2: Like it's not like you were short for touchdowns. You
1:48:48
Speaker 2: got to score them all the time. But what was
1:48:51
Speaker 2: that feeling like? Was it ever something that actually bothered you?
1:48:56
Speaker 13: I think from the competitive standpoint, I don't want to
1:49:00
Speaker 13: use the word bothered, but I think from the competitive
1:49:03
Speaker 13: standpoint you do want every single carry, you want, every
1:49:06
Speaker 13: single yard you want, you know, you put that's the
1:49:08
Speaker 13: work you put in, you know, in the off season
1:49:10
Speaker 13: and during the week to get ready for those opportunities.
1:49:14
Speaker 9: You know.
1:49:14
Speaker 13: So I've had definitely games where you know, maybe I've
1:49:17
Speaker 13: ran the ball, you know, six times on a nine
1:49:20
Speaker 13: play drive and you know, I'm accounting for her pretty
1:49:24
Speaker 13: much all the yard is here, and then we have
1:49:26
Speaker 13: a play action to the tight end and they still
1:49:28
Speaker 13: a touchdown. But you know, from the competitive aspect of it, yes, right,
1:49:33
Speaker 13: you want, you want to be the guy that's doing
1:49:35
Speaker 13: it all. But as a team, you know, the main
1:49:38
Speaker 13: thing is to outscore to your point and.
1:49:40
Speaker 9: Win the game. So the more we can do that.
1:49:43
Speaker 13: The more different guys can be a threat. That only helps,
1:49:47
Speaker 13: you know, especially a running back, right because if you
1:49:50
Speaker 13: have a quarterback that's a threat in the red zone,
1:49:52
Speaker 13: what his legs that we do have got two of them,
1:49:55
Speaker 13: So that's gonna be fun for a Parker. And then
1:49:58
Speaker 13: you know, now it's about the they can take the
1:50:01
Speaker 13: top off.
1:50:03
Speaker 9: And be deep threats.
1:50:04
Speaker 13: That only allows these guys who are able to run
1:50:08
Speaker 13: the ball Parker, Fake Plinn and Dan Pierre. It only
1:50:11
Speaker 13: gives them even more space. And if you can play
1:50:13
Speaker 13: football with a lot of space, and these guys got
1:50:15
Speaker 13: to honor you top down, it's a beautiful thing.
1:50:19
Speaker 2: So yeah, how should this team, how should the fans
1:50:26
Speaker 2: be viewing these preseason polls? This is now the coaches poll,
1:50:29
Speaker 2: the AP pole saying like, hey, this is a top
1:50:32
Speaker 2: twenty five team ranked number twenty one in the AP
1:50:35
Speaker 2: pole today. As a player, obviously you know the ranking
1:50:39
Speaker 2: is a nice little nod. It's a little bit of respect.
1:50:42
Speaker 2: Doesn't help you win any football games. For fans, I
1:50:45
Speaker 2: think it's encouraging that you get to start there, even
1:50:47
Speaker 2: with all the changes, new head coach and everything, because
1:50:51
Speaker 2: it's hard to climb back into the rankings if people
1:50:53
Speaker 2: don't have expectations of you before the season. We know
1:50:57
Speaker 2: what the schedule looks like, So you know, how do
1:50:59
Speaker 2: you look at whether to ranked twenty one in these
1:51:02
Speaker 2: preseason polls?
1:51:04
Speaker 13: I think, you know, that's pretty respectable considering, like you said,
1:51:08
Speaker 13: you know, obviously the changing, the coaching change, you know,
1:51:10
Speaker 13: the tired new offensive scheme, things of that nature. So
1:51:16
Speaker 13: being twenty first, I believe is what it is. Being
1:51:18
Speaker 13: twenty first, coming in early with all those changes. You know,
1:51:22
Speaker 13: that's a lot of room for growth.
1:51:25
Speaker 9: So the fantas should be very excited, you know, as
1:51:27
Speaker 9: you said, the players.
1:51:28
Speaker 13: You're not really too worried about it. But still it's
1:51:31
Speaker 13: a little salty when you come in at twenty one,
1:51:33
Speaker 13: regardless of you know, what the changes made been, whatever
1:51:37
Speaker 13: like that, But you know it'd be the players would
1:51:40
Speaker 13: be ready to go for that. The fans, it's always nice.
1:51:43
Speaker 13: You know, you got a team that you can watch
1:51:45
Speaker 13: that you know is kind of going to be good.
1:51:47
Speaker 13: In the country is also seeing the same things as well.
1:51:53
Speaker 2: We were talking about a story earlier today. I don't
1:51:55
Speaker 2: know if you saw this. Ohio State is moving their
1:51:58
Speaker 2: senior day to Week one because Ryan Day, their head coach,
1:52:03
Speaker 2: does not want it to be a distraction to do
1:52:06
Speaker 2: the whole like walk your with your family out on
1:52:09
Speaker 2: the field and have the cousins there and the parents
1:52:12
Speaker 2: and the siblings and all that on the same week
1:52:15
Speaker 2: that they're playing against Michigan. Now, I don't know why
1:52:19
Speaker 2: the timing is now, why he's doing this, He's already
1:52:22
Speaker 2: won a national championship at Ohio State. He's already been
1:52:25
Speaker 2: the head coach there for a while. And they've always
1:52:27
Speaker 2: done it the same way every other team in the
1:52:28
Speaker 2: country does it.
1:52:30
Speaker 1: Where your final home game is Senior Day.
1:52:33
Speaker 2: It's the last chance for the Zach Mosses of the
1:52:35
Speaker 2: world to walk out there onto the field at rice
1:52:38
Speaker 2: Eco Stadium. You get the flower lay, you get the
1:52:41
Speaker 2: standing ovation, you get that recognition. They're moving all of
1:52:44
Speaker 2: that off the final week, the rivalry game, and they're
1:52:48
Speaker 2: putting that in Week one because he doesn't want it
1:52:51
Speaker 2: to be a distraction. So first part of a two
1:52:53
Speaker 2: part question, here, was Senior Day a distraction at all
1:52:57
Speaker 2: for you?
1:52:59
Speaker 9: No, it wasn't a distraction.
1:53:01
Speaker 13: I think the main thing is that, you know, you
1:53:03
Speaker 13: got a football game that day, so I think the
1:53:08
Speaker 13: players understand that. So you know, I mean obviously my
1:53:11
Speaker 13: scene that I believe we played Colorado, so that's a
1:53:14
Speaker 13: different feel as well versus getting ready for that type
1:53:16
Speaker 13: of rivary game, you know.
1:53:19
Speaker 9: And it's not a big deal.
1:53:22
Speaker 13: It's it's kind of it's kind of funky and weird
1:53:23
Speaker 13: that he moved into a Week one. You know, maybe
1:53:26
Speaker 13: you know, close the second game that's almost at the
1:53:30
Speaker 13: end there or something like that makes a little bit
1:53:32
Speaker 13: more sense.
1:53:33
Speaker 9: So that way you can try to keep that feel
1:53:35
Speaker 9: as much as you can.
1:53:36
Speaker 12: But you know, I.
1:53:38
Speaker 9: Think another part is the players have to be on
1:53:40
Speaker 9: board with that, right.
1:53:41
Speaker 13: You know they've worked the tail off for a senior year, uh,
1:53:45
Speaker 13: you know that type of stuff and moved to a
1:53:47
Speaker 13: week one versus you know, who knows where they're gonna play.
1:53:51
Speaker 13: It's not gonna be that type of opponent, right, most likely.
1:53:55
Speaker 9: So the players have to be on board.
1:53:56
Speaker 13: So that says a lot about the players mindset and
1:53:58
Speaker 13: what they also think about that game as well.
1:54:01
Speaker 1: Well.
1:54:02
Speaker 2: That was gonna be the second part of the question,
1:54:04
Speaker 2: like would you feel a little bit cheated? Is now
1:54:06
Speaker 2: it's ball State Week one? Right, it's gonna be like
1:54:10
Speaker 2: it's gonna be ninety degrees. You're playing against a MAC
1:54:13
Speaker 2: team instead of your historic rival or even another Big
1:54:16
Speaker 2: ten team. You could do it two weeks before against Northwestern, Right,
1:54:20
Speaker 2: that's a winnable game, that's your second last home game.
1:54:23
Speaker 1: Whatever.
1:54:23
Speaker 2: Would you feel a little bit cheated as a player
1:54:26
Speaker 2: in this scenario that it's happening week one?
1:54:30
Speaker 9: A little bit? A little bit?
1:54:31
Speaker 13: Just like I said, just because it's week one, you know,
1:54:35
Speaker 13: it doesn't really sail like a senior anything, you know,
1:54:39
Speaker 13: you're kind of just trying to knock, you know, the
1:54:42
Speaker 13: webs off a little bit, and you're throwing you know,
1:54:45
Speaker 13: that whole entire feelings, emotion and all that stuff until
1:54:48
Speaker 13: week one, which is hard to do because it's not.
1:54:52
Speaker 9: Essentially going to be changin because you.
1:54:54
Speaker 13: Know that they know it's that their last game, right,
1:54:57
Speaker 13: So from that standpoint, I would have liked it to
1:55:01
Speaker 13: be you know, maybe game five, six something where it's
1:55:04
Speaker 13: in the middle. You kind of can get things going
1:55:07
Speaker 13: from that standpoint. But like I said, that just says
1:55:10
Speaker 13: a lot about the players as well that he can
1:55:11
Speaker 13: even you know, they can think about that as a
1:55:14
Speaker 13: staff and come to the players and the players agree
1:55:17
Speaker 13: about it because you know, obviously I've played with a
1:55:20
Speaker 13: lot of guys that played that Michigan ain't know how
1:55:22
Speaker 13: it stayed, and the last.
1:55:23
Speaker 9: Thing you want to do is lose that game, especially
1:55:26
Speaker 9: if you're a scene.
1:55:28
Speaker 2: How many position battles were happening on the offensive line
1:55:32
Speaker 2: when in your NFL career and in your utaugh football career,
1:55:35
Speaker 2: how many you know, as you're heading going into like
1:55:38
Speaker 2: game prep, rounding out of camp and you're going into
1:55:42
Speaker 2: install and things like that, how many times did you,
1:55:45
Speaker 2: as a running back, question who the starting five in
1:55:48
Speaker 2: front of you were going to be.
1:55:51
Speaker 13: Probably one time I actually ever questioned it. You know,
1:55:55
Speaker 13: I think especially on the pro level, you know, you
1:55:58
Speaker 13: believe without a doubt that the coaches are going to
1:56:01
Speaker 13: put the best guys out in front of you, regardless,
1:56:06
Speaker 13: and that the guys that get that call, like you know,
1:56:08
Speaker 13: their professionals, they're playing for you know, families and different
1:56:11
Speaker 13: things of that nature, so you know they're going to
1:56:13
Speaker 13: play their tails off when they get the opportunity.
1:56:16
Speaker 9: So college was the first time I probably ever was like, oh,
1:56:20
Speaker 9: who are the guys that's going to play with you know,
1:56:23
Speaker 9: things of that nature.
1:56:24
Speaker 13: Now was twenty seventeen, my first year starting, where obviously,
1:56:29
Speaker 13: you know, all that is brand new to yourself, and
1:56:35
Speaker 13: that's why you've got to be able to, you know,
1:56:38
Speaker 13: learn the players, learn the guys that's blocking the front
1:56:40
Speaker 13: of you, be able to communicate with them, because that's
1:56:42
Speaker 13: the biggest thing. You know, the coaches can tell them
1:56:45
Speaker 13: a lot of different stuff as well.
1:56:47
Speaker 9: But when you're the guy out there running the ball.
1:56:49
Speaker 13: And obviously you know, no players ever ran and drown
1:56:54
Speaker 13: up exactly how it is on the paper, So you know,
1:56:56
Speaker 13: if I need office alignment to move a little faster,
1:56:59
Speaker 13: even though it's coach wants him to hang on the
1:57:01
Speaker 13: block a little bit longer, whatever it may be, because
1:57:03
Speaker 13: you know of my play style, right, you know that communication,
1:57:08
Speaker 13: that togetherness, all that stuff matters. So you know that
1:57:12
Speaker 13: was the first time twenty seventeen and where I had
1:57:15
Speaker 13: to really kind of learn all that stuff. And then
1:57:17
Speaker 13: you know, after that you come of everybody kind of
1:57:20
Speaker 13: gets it.
1:57:20
Speaker 1: How much nuance is there to it?
1:57:22
Speaker 9: Zach?
1:57:22
Speaker 2: Did you ever adjust your like running style, how fast
1:57:27
Speaker 2: you hit the hole or whatever based on who those
1:57:30
Speaker 2: blockers were or is it on them to adjust their
1:57:33
Speaker 2: block to you?
1:57:34
Speaker 1: How does that relationship work?
1:57:37
Speaker 13: You got to be adaptable, you know that goes for you.
1:57:40
Speaker 13: You know, obviously the running back hand off is a line.
1:57:43
Speaker 13: You know sometimes if you're running.
1:57:44
Speaker 9: A pool, play track, play whatever it may.
1:57:46
Speaker 13: Be, and you got a you know, a guy who's
1:57:49
Speaker 13: not ass agile doing that, but he's our best puller, right,
1:57:53
Speaker 13: you got to be able to work with him and
1:57:55
Speaker 13: be able to set him up and put him in
1:57:57
Speaker 13: the best positions. You know, obviously office a lineman and
1:58:01
Speaker 13: I played with some very athletic guys before, but in
1:58:06
Speaker 13: the day, you know, they're not really the most athletic
1:58:08
Speaker 13: humans at that size.
1:58:11
Speaker 9: So you've got to be.
1:58:12
Speaker 2: Able to every offensive line and listening right now is
1:58:14
Speaker 2: hating on that statement because they are one thing about
1:58:17
Speaker 2: everybody who plays every position, no matter how big or
1:58:20
Speaker 2: small they are, they think they're the best athletes on
1:58:22
Speaker 2: the field. Offensive linemen are like, yeah, we're athletic, and
1:58:25
Speaker 2: we're three hundred and twenty pounds. It's easy to move
1:58:27
Speaker 2: when you're two twenty.
1:58:29
Speaker 9: Yeah.
1:58:30
Speaker 13: Yeah, Like they are athletic, right, But I think the
1:58:33
Speaker 13: main thing is, you know, you being able to understand
1:58:37
Speaker 13: your linement and they understand what you want to do
1:58:41
Speaker 13: as well. So that's the main thing as a back.
1:58:46
Speaker 13: And you know, we always talk about delivering the blocks
1:58:50
Speaker 13: to the lineman right, allowing setting up the blocks right,
1:58:52
Speaker 13: being able to paint the picture for the officer lineman
1:58:56
Speaker 13: and putting the linebacker and manipulating the game a little
1:58:58
Speaker 13: bit with your moving your footwork, show to pass whatever
1:59:01
Speaker 13: it may be, and putting the linement in the best
1:59:04
Speaker 13: position to make that block, especially when you're talking about
1:59:07
Speaker 13: putting them in space. That's the main thing that's where
1:59:10
Speaker 13: the best running backs are able to go get those
1:59:14
Speaker 13: those exposed to play over and over and over to
1:59:18
Speaker 13: some degree pretty consistently.
1:59:22
Speaker 2: How much of the running back position, your ability to
1:59:26
Speaker 2: navigate through traffic is really instinct versus you know, coachable stuff,
1:59:32
Speaker 2: Because when we watch guys like you, when we watch
1:59:35
Speaker 2: the great ones at the college level, at the pro
1:59:37
Speaker 2: level or whatever, right, they know they know when to
1:59:42
Speaker 2: hit the hole, they know when to stutter their feet,
1:59:44
Speaker 2: they know that. You know that change of pace has
1:59:47
Speaker 2: to happen at a certain point. And it feels like
1:59:49
Speaker 2: to me, who never really played the running back position
1:59:52
Speaker 2: at a high level, it feels like it's something that
1:59:54
Speaker 2: no matter how much film study you do, it's unpredictable,
1:59:58
Speaker 2: especially at the line of scrimmage, so you have to
2:00:02
Speaker 2: operate on field. Maybe, But I'm asking you the question,
2:00:05
Speaker 2: like I don't want to put words in your mouth.
2:00:07
Speaker 2: How much of it is instinct and how much of
2:00:08
Speaker 2: it is like, all right, I know that the stutter
2:00:11
Speaker 2: step has to happen right here, I know that there's
2:00:14
Speaker 2: likely backside pursuit, so I can't cut this one.
2:00:17
Speaker 1: Back or whatever. Is it a field based position more
2:00:21
Speaker 1: than most.
2:00:24
Speaker 13: I would say yes, you know, I've always played this
2:00:28
Speaker 13: position predominantly out of field. You know, that's where you know,
2:00:33
Speaker 13: once we started talking about adding the film study, adding
2:00:37
Speaker 13: the footwork, adding.
2:00:38
Speaker 9: All those different things.
2:00:40
Speaker 13: If you have the instincts, if you have the feel,
2:00:43
Speaker 13: you know, you only enhance all those things once you
2:00:45
Speaker 13: add feel to it and you understand, Okay, on this
2:00:48
Speaker 13: blocking of where's our blocking assignment on this inside zone run?
2:00:52
Speaker 9: Are we getting combo blocks?
2:00:53
Speaker 13: Are we getting you know, two a's here, two b's
2:00:57
Speaker 13: whatever it may be? Out of three I four I
2:01:00
Speaker 13: A three tech right, all these different types of little
2:01:04
Speaker 13: communication things. Right, Once you start understanding that part of
2:01:08
Speaker 13: the game, and then you're talking about having elite reaction
2:01:13
Speaker 13: skills and feel to the game, then it's almost to
2:01:16
Speaker 13: where you don't feel like you can do any wrong.
2:01:18
Speaker 13: And that's where you start to see a lot of
2:01:20
Speaker 13: guys just be able to play right. The game has
2:01:23
Speaker 13: slowed down for them, you know, Like I said, like
2:01:26
Speaker 13: my sophomore year, I played predominantly out of out of
2:01:30
Speaker 13: feeld and reaction and just instinct, right, just being a
2:01:33
Speaker 13: pretty decentnaturally, that's what I played out of until you know,
2:01:37
Speaker 13: I got into the film room, I started seeing why
2:01:40
Speaker 13: I can get better at, you know, things that didn't
2:01:42
Speaker 13: allow me to have any wasted movement, you know, and
2:01:46
Speaker 13: that's the things where when you're back, those are the
2:01:49
Speaker 13: things you should measure to side to kind of see
2:01:52
Speaker 13: where you actually are. And once you kind of ton
2:01:55
Speaker 13: see that, you can start adding to your game. And
2:01:58
Speaker 13: you know, that's when I saw this past season with Parker,
2:02:02
Speaker 13: you know, I mean that line was magnificent, so it
2:02:07
Speaker 13: wasn't a lot of reaction and different things.
2:02:09
Speaker 9: That he needed to be able to see and feel.
2:02:12
Speaker 13: But I think that would be a challenge to some
2:02:14
Speaker 13: degree when you're talking about having five new officer lineman.
2:02:16
Speaker 13: I don't really care how who the five linemen are.
2:02:19
Speaker 13: They could be the five Pro Bowl, five Hall of Famers.
2:02:22
Speaker 13: You know, that's a different thing. Is gonna have some
2:02:26
Speaker 13: challenges when you lose a type of office line that
2:02:29
Speaker 13: was as seasoned as those guys last season.
2:02:34
Speaker 1: What's harder to deal with.
2:02:36
Speaker 2: You're in and a play breaks down and you know
2:02:39
Speaker 2: it's a one yard loss or you're out. You're on
2:02:42
Speaker 2: the sideline, You're watching the play unfold, and that breakdown happens,
2:02:49
Speaker 2: you watch somebody else not hit the right hole. You
2:02:51
Speaker 2: watch somebody else not follow the right blocker, and you
2:02:54
Speaker 2: know that if you had been in there, or you
2:02:56
Speaker 2: feel like if you had been in there, that play
2:02:58
Speaker 2: doesn't break down, which is how hard to deal with.
2:03:03
Speaker 9: Uh. You know, I think.
2:03:07
Speaker 13: I would have to stay not being in there and
2:03:10
Speaker 13: you know, the play not happening, uh, the way you
2:03:14
Speaker 13: feel like you may have been able to, uh make
2:03:17
Speaker 13: that play work. I've been in that situation before where
2:03:21
Speaker 13: you know, we were in my last year in Indianapolis.
2:03:25
Speaker 13: We had a game first Houston in the week eighteen
2:03:30
Speaker 13: to go to the playoffs. You know, even team Wover.
2:03:33
Speaker 9: Wins, you know, they gotta they gotta date they're in.
2:03:36
Speaker 9: And we came down to a fourth and two or
2:03:38
Speaker 9: something like that.
2:03:40
Speaker 13: And you know I had been running this play all year,
2:03:44
Speaker 13: but I wasn't fully healthy, Uh to you know, go
2:03:48
Speaker 13: out there and you know, solidify that play.
2:03:52
Speaker 9: So we put a put a younger guy in to
2:03:54
Speaker 9: go in out there, and.
2:03:56
Speaker 13: Uh he had a drop on a on a pass.
2:03:58
Speaker 9: Wide opened and and you know.
2:04:02
Speaker 13: Part of you is like, you know, man, I would
2:04:05
Speaker 13: have made that play and you know, the whole nine
2:04:09
Speaker 13: and things of that nature, and he just here the
2:04:12
Speaker 13: stadium erupt and in the other side of you, it
2:04:15
Speaker 13: was like, well, I'm kind of happy that I'm not
2:04:18
Speaker 13: out there.
2:04:19
Speaker 9: On that play at the moment, because.
2:04:21
Speaker 13: If I dropped that ball man, you know, it would
2:04:23
Speaker 13: have been a bad day in Indianapolis for sure. But
2:04:27
Speaker 13: you know, I think definitely being out and not being
2:04:29
Speaker 13: able to help your team. Like I said, everything comes
2:04:32
Speaker 13: down to that competitive that competitive edge.
2:04:35
Speaker 9: Right and everything.
2:04:36
Speaker 13: That's where the great football players, guy, any person in sports, right,
2:04:42
Speaker 13: that competitive drive is what is what pushes you everywhere.
2:04:45
Speaker 2: I want to switch gears and ask you an NFL
2:04:47
Speaker 2: question here, because you know preseason games happening right now,
2:04:51
Speaker 2: and in these preseason games, we see a lot of
2:04:53
Speaker 2: guys that are bubble guys. Maybe we don't see them
2:04:57
Speaker 2: in the pros this year, maybe if we do their
2:04:59
Speaker 2: special teams love guys. There's a couple of utes, former
2:05:02
Speaker 2: utes that fit into that category. And you know, like
2:05:05
Speaker 2: you were drafted in a position where I correct me
2:05:08
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, but you kind of knew you were
2:05:10
Speaker 2: gonna make the roster.
2:05:11
Speaker 1: But walk me through what it's like this.
2:05:15
Speaker 2: Time of year for young players coming into the league,
2:05:17
Speaker 2: young players trying to prove themselves, and you know, we're
2:05:21
Speaker 2: watching some of their performances in these preseason games. We're
2:05:24
Speaker 2: getting some access to practice where guys are making plays
2:05:27
Speaker 2: and things like that. But just take me through the
2:05:30
Speaker 2: mental weight of either achieving the dream making the roster
2:05:34
Speaker 2: being an NFL football player, or you know, even if
2:05:38
Speaker 2: you're a great player, it just doesn't work out for
2:05:40
Speaker 2: you because it's the most competitive industry in the world.
2:05:44
Speaker 2: What's it like right now for young players in the league.
2:05:47
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's it's definitely tough.
2:05:51
Speaker 13: You know, every single guy that walks into that we
2:05:55
Speaker 13: no matter if your first, you know, third, fifth, undrafted
2:06:00
Speaker 13: the guy, right, it is totally different for each guy
2:06:03
Speaker 13: on you know, how they view themselves that they're going
2:06:06
Speaker 13: to make.
2:06:06
Speaker 9: The team and things of that nature.
2:06:09
Speaker 13: Obviously, you know myself, you know, I was never really
2:06:12
Speaker 13: in that situation where you know that I had to
2:06:17
Speaker 13: really ever fully questioned if I was going to make
2:06:20
Speaker 13: the team. But obviously being around a lot of guys
2:06:23
Speaker 13: in the running back room, young guys specifically where.
2:06:26
Speaker 9: You kind of just you know, you just look at
2:06:28
Speaker 9: them and you know, like man.
2:06:30
Speaker 13: Not because of the lack of talent or the lack
2:06:32
Speaker 13: of anything of that nature because.
2:06:34
Speaker 9: They got the opportunity, so that means they have the talent.
2:06:38
Speaker 9: You know. Just know, man, these guys.
2:06:40
Speaker 13: Are probably just going to be here for these you know,
2:06:43
Speaker 13: four weeks of camp, right, and we need bodies, right,
2:06:46
Speaker 13: because that's kind of how.
2:06:48
Speaker 9: The game is, right, it's a business. So you need
2:06:52
Speaker 9: camp bodies what we call them. And you know, once
2:06:54
Speaker 9: the preseason games are up, you know, some.
2:06:58
Speaker 13: Guys are balled out in preseason and they don't really
2:07:00
Speaker 13: get opportunity on that same team or many other teams.
2:07:05
Speaker 13: So I can only imagine, you know, pretty much knowing
2:07:09
Speaker 13: that this football stuff, it's kind of numbered to some degree.
2:07:15
Speaker 13: But at the end of the day, you know, football
2:07:17
Speaker 13: is a small part of your life.
2:07:18
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter if you play, you know.
2:07:22
Speaker 13: Six months in NFL, six years or sixteen years, right,
2:07:26
Speaker 13: it's still a super small part.
2:07:29
Speaker 9: Of your life.
2:07:29
Speaker 13: Where you know, a lot of guys you don't even
2:07:32
Speaker 13: make it to thirty right in that game. So you've
2:07:36
Speaker 13: got to be able to take take it and look
2:07:38
Speaker 13: at it like that to some degree and have the perspective,
2:07:40
Speaker 13: which is hard to.
2:07:41
Speaker 9: Do when you're in it, right. You know, that's that's
2:07:44
Speaker 9: easier said than done. But you know, if you can
2:07:48
Speaker 9: have that perspective in those small moments where.
2:07:51
Speaker 13: You do allow your brain to, you know, move yourself
2:07:54
Speaker 13: away from football for a little minute, you know that
2:07:57
Speaker 13: that helps a ton.
2:08:00
Speaker 9: So you know, that's what I would say.
2:08:03
Speaker 2: Zach Moss, one of the great running backs in the
2:08:05
Speaker 2: history of Utah football, kind of us to give us
2:08:07
Speaker 2: some time today.
2:08:09
Speaker 1: Zach, thanks for your time.
2:08:10
Speaker 9: I appreciate you, sir, absolutely, man, I appreciate you guys.
2:08:14
Speaker 9: You guys have a good one.
2:08:16
Speaker 2: Zach Moss will be seeing and hearing more of Zach
2:08:19
Speaker 2: Moss this coming season.
2:08:20
Speaker 1: He will be a regular guest on the program. A
2:08:23
Speaker 1: big thanks to him for joining us.
2:08:25
Speaker 2: As Utah Football continues camp and we actually have some
2:08:30
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Speaker 2: fresh sound. Our guy Porter Larson was up there at
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Speaker 2: media availability, if I'm not mistaken.
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Speaker 2: Post practice from today, the Utah head coach addressed the media.
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Speaker 4: You're getting into the kind of the dog days of
2:10:51
Speaker 4: fall camp.
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Speaker 14: You know, it's easy to have energy on day one,
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Speaker 14: easy to be excited on day one, it's having that
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Speaker 14: same energy throughout.
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Speaker 4: Really good practice today. Competitive.
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Speaker 14: We're becoming better situational mechanics, and so it's good that
2:11:07
Speaker 14: it's competitive right now, that you don't have one side
2:11:10
Speaker 14: dominating the other. And I think the coaches are doing
2:11:14
Speaker 14: a good job of keeping our guys fresh but understanding,
2:11:17
Speaker 14: and we got to be physical.
2:11:19
Speaker 4: Line was a big priority coming in the camp.
2:11:21
Speaker 9: I feel like you've got this down in two or
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Speaker 9: three combinations.
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Speaker 14: You forget uh not yet, we're you know, we're still
2:11:29
Speaker 14: a couple bumps and bruises that shift things around.
2:11:32
Speaker 4: But you know, we'll have our dudes by game one.
2:11:36
Speaker 4: What does all about fit into that?
2:11:39
Speaker 14: He's looking really good, you know, but he understands the
2:11:42
Speaker 14: stuff he needs to work on, and no spots are
2:11:44
Speaker 14: solidified right now.
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Speaker 4: You guys had a scrimmage on Saturday. What stood out
2:11:48
Speaker 4: from now?
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Speaker 9: You know?
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Speaker 14: For scrimmage, I would say that the play of Matiaki
2:11:53
Speaker 14: Halou showed up in a big way. Lance Holt squaw
2:11:57
Speaker 14: off the edge, making a bunch of receivers downfield.
2:12:02
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of good stuff. I thought.
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Speaker 14: The situational mechanics, like I said, that's one thing that
2:12:07
Speaker 14: you know at the beginning of camp. Not clean enough,
2:12:10
Speaker 14: not fast enough, but much better. I'd say red.
2:12:15
Speaker 4: Zone work kind of a mixed bag.
2:12:17
Speaker 14: We need to be more efficient, not not enough touchdowns
2:12:20
Speaker 14: in the red zone.
2:12:22
Speaker 4: Too many, too many field goals.
2:12:24
Speaker 14: Having said that, the kicking game is really good, kicking
2:12:27
Speaker 14: game is really good. Love our two kickers, uh And
2:12:31
Speaker 14: obviously Orion's been established as a as a punter, but
2:12:34
Speaker 14: both Dylan and Tanner are doing a nice job.
2:12:37
Speaker 2: More than obviously, the offensive line has been a question
2:12:41
Speaker 2: about to see you guys.
2:12:42
Speaker 4: Just what else do you want to see out of them?
2:12:43
Speaker 9: As as Paul cans for Bess.
2:12:49
Speaker 14: Hmm, I would say, I think we've gotten to the
2:12:55
Speaker 14: point where we're physical enough. You know, the free snap
2:13:03
Speaker 14: penalties are being cut down. I just continued progress. There's
2:13:07
Speaker 14: not one glaring thing where I'm sitting there saying like
2:13:09
Speaker 14: we're deficient here. It's just maybe a little bit cleaner
2:13:13
Speaker 14: and the things that we're doing for protection to taking
2:13:17
Speaker 14: on slanners. So and they've got you know, one of
2:13:20
Speaker 14: the best teachers I know in Jordan Grows. So you know,
2:13:23
Speaker 14: we're I'm excited for that group.
2:13:26
Speaker 4: And what they're gonna show that for some how does
2:13:28
Speaker 4: the defense look right now?
2:13:30
Speaker 14: The defense looks good. We're solidifying that, you know the
2:13:33
Speaker 14: dtable spot. Same thing on offense, you get these bumps
2:13:36
Speaker 14: and bruises guys, you know, having to be out of
2:13:39
Speaker 14: practice or too so steel that's up for grabs as well,
2:13:44
Speaker 14: you know, getting Carson Kafusi back and you know, mixing
2:13:49
Speaker 14: in some guys.
2:13:50
Speaker 4: So that's unsettled right now. Are you still exploring bringing
2:13:54
Speaker 4: back in the Choir Rodgers or any.
2:13:55
Speaker 2: Other class of twenty two guys or do you feel
2:13:56
Speaker 2: like this roster.
2:13:57
Speaker 4: Set up, we feel pretty good right now, well, at
2:14:00
Speaker 4: least time.
2:14:01
Speaker 6: Last week you talked about tensions being kind of high.
2:14:04
Speaker 11: Between the offense and the defense and maybe even.
2:14:05
Speaker 9: Learn the crew down a little bit.
2:14:07
Speaker 6: What is the process like and how neat is it
2:14:09
Speaker 6: to watch a team become a team when they stop
2:14:12
Speaker 6: competing with each other and start, you know, jumping on
2:14:14
Speaker 6: the same page.
2:14:15
Speaker 14: Oh, I think we have it now. And I wouldn't say,
2:14:20
Speaker 14: you know, you have to be competitive without being combative.
2:14:24
Speaker 14: It's it's the stuff that's gonna get you penalized, the
2:14:27
Speaker 14: extra shoves and stuff like that, you know, And so
2:14:33
Speaker 14: there is there is a fine line. But our guys
2:14:34
Speaker 14: do a really good job of making sure that we
2:14:36
Speaker 14: don't take it to that next level where all of
2:14:39
Speaker 14: a sudden it's there's stupid penalties and we we're Yeah,
2:14:43
Speaker 14: I would I would say it's really not an issue.
2:14:45
Speaker 4: And this is a I mean, it's a very close team.
2:14:48
Speaker 9: I'm excited on it.
2:14:50
Speaker 4: Well, it seems like you've.
2:14:51
Speaker 6: Made a pretty intentional effort to players back on the program,
2:14:56
Speaker 6: have them watched practice.
2:14:57
Speaker 9: Why is that important?
2:14:59
Speaker 10: New?
2:15:01
Speaker 4: Why is it important to have alumni around?
2:15:03
Speaker 9: Well?
2:15:04
Speaker 14: Man, they They bled and sweat and they love this program,
2:15:07
Speaker 14: and you know, they want to know that there's a
2:15:09
Speaker 14: legacy there that you know, I mean, shoot, our current
2:15:13
Speaker 14: players didn't build this building, and our current players, you know,
2:15:16
Speaker 14: our current players are building their own legacy. So there's
2:15:20
Speaker 14: a lot of guys, a lot of passion for this program,
2:15:23
Speaker 14: the way it's been run, the family atmosphere.
2:15:25
Speaker 4: They need to know that that continues.
2:15:27
Speaker 15: You talked about obviously the offensive and defensive line, they're
2:15:30
Speaker 15: still positions up for grabs. How about the depth or
2:15:32
Speaker 15: and your pecking order at wide receiver, corner some of
2:15:34
Speaker 15: those other positions just lovely.
2:15:38
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, we got good ones.
2:15:40
Speaker 16: I'm not going to tell you what that and what
2:15:42
Speaker 16: that depth is, but we got we got good depth,
2:15:44
Speaker 16: and you know, do your fantasy draft or whatever, that
2:15:49
Speaker 16: we got really good ones.
2:15:50
Speaker 4: I'm excited for that group both. And that's another group.
2:15:53
Speaker 14: That you know traditionally they're sitting there in their fights
2:15:56
Speaker 14: every day with the wide.
2:15:57
Speaker 4: Receivers and dvs. They do a really good job of
2:16:00
Speaker 4: pushing each other. But knowing that we got to get
2:16:03
Speaker 4: to the party healthy.
2:16:07
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2:16:43
Speaker 2: him to be, playing the cards close to the vest.
2:16:46
Speaker 2: He was asked the questions that you would expect media
2:16:49
Speaker 2: to ask.
2:16:49
Speaker 13: Have you.
2:16:51
Speaker 2: Figured out a pecking order on the offensive line? Do
2:16:54
Speaker 2: you know who you're starting? Five are going to be?
2:16:56
Speaker 2: Are their combinations? He's like, uh no, not gonna tell
2:17:00
Speaker 2: you right there at the end of the conversation. What
2:17:03
Speaker 2: about wide receivers And he's like, yep, we got a
2:17:05
Speaker 2: bunch of good ones. This is cool. Not going to
2:17:07
Speaker 2: tell you who's standing out. We have good depth. So
2:17:10
Speaker 2: doesn't want to give away too much information.
2:17:13
Speaker 1: I try Sammy Moore.
2:17:14
Speaker 2: At the end, there is there is some of that
2:17:18
Speaker 2: caginess even from Morgan, who is far more engaging conversationally
2:17:24
Speaker 2: than his predecessor, but Uh, there's a belief you don't
2:17:30
Speaker 2: need to give away information unless it helps the program.
2:17:33
Speaker 3: I do appreciate the way you've asked, oh see coaches
2:17:39
Speaker 3: at these media availabilities or in coordinator's corners where you
2:17:44
Speaker 3: say you don't have to tell me who, but I
2:17:48
Speaker 3: just want to know if you think you have your
2:17:50
Speaker 3: five When it comes to an offensive line er, I
2:17:53
Speaker 3: just want to know if you think you have your
2:17:56
Speaker 3: two or three starting receivers.
2:17:58
Speaker 1: Right.
2:17:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough because you want the names right, but
2:18:03
Speaker 2: you also don't want to put a coach in a
2:18:04
Speaker 2: position where he's going to be like, oh, I have
2:18:06
Speaker 2: to be careful when I talk to this person because
2:18:09
Speaker 2: they're trying to break news off me and they're trying to,
2:18:12
Speaker 2: you know, put us at some kind of deficit, inadvertently
2:18:15
Speaker 2: or on purpose whatever. At the end of the day,
2:18:19
Speaker 2: the offensive line question is not going to be answered
2:18:22
Speaker 2: even in week one.
2:18:25
Speaker 1: We need to get on board with that idea.
2:18:27
Speaker 2: They're going to test out I would say at least
2:18:31
Speaker 2: three combinations, and that's not because of injury. We knock
2:18:35
Speaker 2: on wood, there will not be injuries. He's talking about
2:18:38
Speaker 2: bumps and bruises. He's going to tell us if there's
2:18:40
Speaker 2: season ending injuries or whatever. The bumps and bruises that
2:18:44
Speaker 2: can change people's practice habits are totally expected. They're totally normal.
2:18:49
Speaker 2: There's something that's going to happen and every football camp
2:18:52
Speaker 2: around the country, Morgan Scalley is talking about, you know
2:18:57
Speaker 2: the fact that they have.
2:18:58
Speaker 1: Not narrowed it down.
2:18:59
Speaker 2: They're not going to have it narrowed down for Arkansas
2:19:02
Speaker 2: until after Idaho. So you're starting five for Idaho are
2:19:08
Speaker 2: going to be the coaches best idea of the combination
2:19:12
Speaker 2: that works for the most important games of the year.
2:19:17
Speaker 1: They're gonna put those guys out there first.
2:19:19
Speaker 2: Those will not be the only offensive lineman you see
2:19:22
Speaker 2: playing against Idaho. Right They're going to give guys reps.
2:19:26
Speaker 2: They're going to give Kelvin Obot a chance. They're going
2:19:29
Speaker 2: to give Rhys Parmenter and some of these individuals that
2:19:33
Speaker 2: are like getting mentioned, getting talked about.
2:19:35
Speaker 1: Maybe this guy's good.
2:19:37
Speaker 2: Maybe Ike Garcia and Cedric Jefferson have been battling it
2:19:40
Speaker 2: out on that right tackle position. You're gonna see multiple combinations.
2:19:45
Speaker 2: I don't know how they break it up. I don't
2:19:46
Speaker 2: know if it's going to be series by series. I
2:19:48
Speaker 2: don't know if it's gonna be you know, let's swap
2:19:51
Speaker 2: out a whole new starting five for the second quarter.
2:19:55
Speaker 2: Probably not that, because you want to get your starting
2:19:59
Speaker 2: guys the most reps that you possibly can. But I
2:20:03
Speaker 2: don't think we have a real answer on the true
2:20:06
Speaker 2: starting five until when what time is that Arkansas game?
2:20:11
Speaker 2: It's a night game, right, so whatever that is at
2:20:14
Speaker 2: like seven eight pm on a Saturday night. Eight fifteen
2:20:20
Speaker 2: is the kickoff, so you might, oh, hey, you might
2:20:22
Speaker 2: be right there. Okay, yeah, well then we still won't know.
2:20:26
Speaker 2: A fifteen is the kickoff, So then like eight nineteen
2:20:30
Speaker 2: and forty four seconds, the.
2:20:33
Speaker 3: Coaches, all of the coaching staff might be you know
2:20:37
Speaker 3: what this is?
2:20:38
Speaker 1: This is it by on game day?
2:20:40
Speaker 4: Right? Like?
2:20:41
Speaker 1: Who knows? Yeah?
2:20:42
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the right way to go about
2:20:45
Speaker 2: it is to give as many of these guys who
2:20:47
Speaker 2: put in the work and are healthy and opportunity in
2:20:50
Speaker 2: gameplay to prove something to you. And the Idaho game
2:20:56
Speaker 2: is a obviously a really really good game for this
2:21:00
Speaker 2: team to start the season with, not only because a
2:21:03
Speaker 2: tune quote unquote tune up game is always a good
2:21:07
Speaker 2: way to start a season, because it's it's almost a
2:21:10
Speaker 2: guaranteed win, right That's a reason why, but also because
2:21:14
Speaker 2: you do have a chance to play a what's more
2:21:19
Speaker 2: of a practice game than with try and experiment things
2:21:24
Speaker 2: with an uncertain offensive line before you play a power
2:21:29
Speaker 2: league opponent in Arkansas the week after. And look, there's
2:21:32
Speaker 2: two or three guys on that Idaho roster that are
2:21:34
Speaker 2: going to be a problem for Utah that are going
2:21:38
Speaker 2: to test you. There's probably a Sunday guy or two
2:21:42
Speaker 2: on that roster. We can attest to that. There's a
2:21:46
Speaker 2: couple of Ellis brothers in the NFL right now who
2:21:49
Speaker 2: played their college ball at the University of Idaho, right like,
2:21:53
Speaker 2: So it's not like they're just an automatic easy walkover,
2:21:56
Speaker 2: especially as you're trying to figure these things out at
2:21:59
Speaker 2: the most most important positional group in football with your
2:22:03
Speaker 2: offensive line. But there's variation between what you see in
2:22:09
Speaker 2: camp at practice. No matter how well the team practices,
2:22:13
Speaker 2: no matter how perfectly structured a coach and his staff
2:22:16
Speaker 2: have things, when it comes to simulating real game time conditions,
2:22:24
Speaker 2: there's always going to be a variation between how a
2:22:26
Speaker 2: guy performs on the practice field with nobody watching and
2:22:31
Speaker 2: how he performs when it really matters. Some guys are
2:22:34
Speaker 2: better on game day, some guys are worse on game day.
2:22:38
Speaker 2: Some guys just for whatever reason, it doesn't translate. And
2:22:43
Speaker 2: it sucks if you're the guy who doesn't practice that
2:22:46
Speaker 2: well and then you're a great player on game day
2:22:50
Speaker 2: because it's hard to get on the field because coaches
2:22:52
Speaker 2: want to see you do it in practice. It sucks
2:22:54
Speaker 2: for coaches if you're a great practice player and then
2:22:58
Speaker 2: you stink on game day. And there's every level of
2:23:03
Speaker 2: performance all up and down that spectrum where you're a
2:23:06
Speaker 2: guy who's like an A plus plus practice player, but
2:23:10
Speaker 2: you're a B plus game player. Now your coach has
2:23:13
Speaker 2: to decide do I accept the B plus or can
2:23:18
Speaker 2: we get him to be the same in the game
2:23:21
Speaker 2: as he was in practice? Or do you say, ah, man,
2:23:25
Speaker 2: that's too big of a drop for me. B plus
2:23:28
Speaker 2: is probably okay. Right, you're an a practice player, you're
2:23:31
Speaker 2: a C game performer.
2:23:33
Speaker 1: Yikes.
2:23:34
Speaker 2: Now we're talking about, Hey, who do I put in here?
2:23:39
Speaker 2: Now there's the question of did I give anyone else reps?
2:23:41
Speaker 2: Because this a practice player means that I haven't given
2:23:44
Speaker 2: anyone else reps? Have I given his backup enough opportunity
2:23:48
Speaker 2: to show something. Now, maybe the backup comes in and
2:23:51
Speaker 2: he's a B practice player, but he's an A game player.
2:23:55
Speaker 2: Now you're going, what the heck does that mean I
2:23:58
Speaker 2: need to start this guy over the A practice player? Also,
2:24:02
Speaker 2: what do I pay these guys? They're both taking NL?
2:24:07
Speaker 2: Or is the backup not an NL guy? And now
2:24:10
Speaker 2: we've wasted two hundred grand on the starter. I mean,
2:24:13
Speaker 2: there's so many different factors here, and you're not gonna
2:24:16
Speaker 2: get it all the way figured out at every position,
2:24:20
Speaker 2: probably beyond the Arkansas game, probably after Utah State or
2:24:25
Speaker 2: beyond that. Right, it could be in flux throughout the season.
2:24:29
Speaker 2: Injuries obviously rear their ugly head at some point, and
2:24:33
Speaker 2: now you're worried about, Okay, what's the best thing to
2:24:35
Speaker 2: do here? If we're gonna stick with the offensive line,
2:24:40
Speaker 2: my starting five look like this. We've had Cedric Jefferson
2:24:43
Speaker 2: and I Garcia battling this out at right tackle, and
2:24:46
Speaker 2: Cedric Jefferson just wins that, just barely wins that battle. Okay,
2:24:51
Speaker 2: So now does that mean we say, Ike, you're the
2:24:53
Speaker 2: backup right tackle, or you're the swing tackle, you can
2:24:57
Speaker 2: back up left tackle also, or do we say, you
2:25:00
Speaker 2: were so close to winning the starting job at right tackle,
2:25:04
Speaker 2: maybe we should have you play a little bit of
2:25:05
Speaker 2: guard and see if you're just as good there. I mean,
2:25:10
Speaker 2: it's an intricate thing, and it's something that Jordan Gross
2:25:13
Speaker 2: thankfully experienced when he was a player, not him individually
2:25:18
Speaker 2: experiencing because he was the best guy. He was who
2:25:20
Speaker 2: he was supposed to be, but next to him, around him,
2:25:24
Speaker 2: on the opposite side of him, it was give us
2:25:29
Speaker 2: best available, right, and then same thing in the NFL.
2:25:32
Speaker 2: Are you who you're supposed to be in the NFL?
2:25:34
Speaker 2: The answer for him was yes, well this other guy
2:25:38
Speaker 2: we drafted. The answer was no, look at this undrafted
2:25:41
Speaker 2: free agent that we got out of Tarleton State.
2:25:45
Speaker 1: Can you play next to that guy? Jordan Gross? Right,
2:25:49
Speaker 1: they've done it. Morgan Scally has done this.
2:25:52
Speaker 2: The equivalent of it defensively has always been, all right,
2:25:57
Speaker 2: you're too slow to play safety, but you got a
2:26:00
Speaker 2: big frame. Let's put some size on you, and now
2:26:02
Speaker 2: you're a great linebacker. They're going to take a couple
2:26:06
Speaker 2: of weeks to get the best players available on that
2:26:09
Speaker 2: offensive line, regardless of position. It's why I have told
2:26:14
Speaker 2: people Kelvin Obot will be playing consistently this year because
2:26:19
Speaker 2: he's probably not your best left tackle. He's probably not
2:26:23
Speaker 2: even your best right tackle. Because of how much experience
2:26:26
Speaker 2: Cedric Jefferson has at a really high level on a
2:26:29
Speaker 2: national championship Montana State team, he is probably your best
2:26:35
Speaker 2: athlete on the offensive line. He's not yet your biggest
2:26:38
Speaker 2: or your strongest, but he's probably your best athlete on
2:26:40
Speaker 2: the offensive line at some point. If you're coaching him right,
2:26:45
Speaker 2: he's one of your five best. I think Al Harrison
2:26:51
Speaker 2: has solidified his starting center position. Devin dan Pierre had
2:26:54
Speaker 2: some nice things to say about him today. We'll give
2:26:57
Speaker 2: you Devin dan Pier sound. Maybe we'll get to it tomorrow,
2:27:00
Speaker 2: maybe we'll have to send you to the website to
2:27:02
Speaker 2: grab it. But Morgan scally he wants you to listen
2:27:07
Speaker 2: to what he has to say, but doesn't want to
2:27:10
Speaker 2: reveal too much because as loquacious and charismatic as he is,
2:27:15
Speaker 2: he's still a.
2:27:15
Speaker 3: Division one college football coach. I do like that he
2:27:20
Speaker 3: kind of just landed on yeah, we got guys, he's
2:27:25
Speaker 3: not which and then and then just say it, Just
2:27:28
Speaker 3: say it. I don't want to tell you, you know.
2:27:31
Speaker 3: I I do like the lack of coach speak in
2:27:34
Speaker 3: that regard. At this point, he'll get we'll get more
2:27:37
Speaker 3: of that as he gets more seasoned as a head coach.
2:27:39
Speaker 3: I'm sure, But I do like the honesty of like, yeah,
2:27:42
Speaker 3: we're good with guys.
2:27:43
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you who. Also, you know what,
2:27:45
Speaker 1: it makes me more optimistic because.
2:27:50
Speaker 2: When he's basically just saying, just trust me, yeah, right,
2:27:54
Speaker 2: we have guys. If you don't have guys, you're clinging
2:27:58
Speaker 2: to the one player or the two players that are
2:28:01
Speaker 2: showing something and you're like probably even subconsciously bringing them
2:28:07
Speaker 2: up as an example, yeah, and say like, oh Man
2:28:10
Speaker 2: Dalton dal Kinkaid was unbelievable today because you don't have
2:28:15
Speaker 2: anything else in the passing game.
2:28:17
Speaker 1: He's like, that was great.
2:28:18
Speaker 2: If you're just like, we're good, just trust me, we
2:28:21
Speaker 2: got we got we got the guys.
2:28:22
Speaker 1: We need that.
2:28:24
Speaker 2: As a fan, I'm like, okay, cool. So he doesn't
2:28:28
Speaker 2: think I need to know the names, but he thinks
2:28:31
Speaker 2: he can just say we're all right, wait and see,
2:28:34
Speaker 2: that's all.
2:28:35
Speaker 1: That's where we're at right now.
2:28:36
Speaker 3: It does inspire a certain amount of confidence for sure,
2:28:40
Speaker 3: when you when you do it that way.
2:28:42
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2:29:30
Speaker 2: not that I recall.
2:29:31
Speaker 1: I mean not recently. It's been three years since I've
2:29:34
Speaker 1: been shorn.
2:29:36
Speaker 7: Well, it sounds like the same thing happened to you
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Speaker 7: that happened to me, which is you just make a
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Speaker 7: mistake with the trimmer and you're like, I can't have
2:29:43
Speaker 7: this portion of my beard shaved and everything else grown out,
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Speaker 7: because otherwise, you know, you're gonna see the five o'clock
2:29:49
Speaker 7: shadow on me most most every day, all the time.
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Speaker 2: Every's not ideal, not an ideal situation especially. I was
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Speaker 2: telling James, It's like I have to now decide between
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Speaker 2: an old face or chubby face.
2:30:02
Speaker 12: You know.
2:30:03
Speaker 2: The beard kind of hides the jaw line of the
2:30:05
Speaker 2: double chin a little bit. The beard, though, is like
2:30:09
Speaker 2: white at this point.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the dance.
2:30:12
Speaker 2: So I'm just like, do it? Would I rather so?
2:30:15
Speaker 2: And my wife has made her position on me shaved
2:30:20
Speaker 2: down very clear.
2:30:21
Speaker 7: My guess is she likes the beard right.
2:30:23
Speaker 1: He wants the beard back. Yeah.
2:30:25
Speaker 2: She suggested plastic surgery. If I'm going to stay with this.
2:30:29
Speaker 7: It sounds right.
2:30:30
Speaker 1: I was like, thank you.
2:30:30
Speaker 7: How did your daughters react to seeing you clean shave?
2:30:33
Speaker 2: It was very funny. The baby was like, is that you, Dad?
2:30:37
Speaker 2: She kept saying, is that you?
2:30:38
Speaker 7: Yeah?
2:30:38
Speaker 1: The other two we're just laughing.
2:30:41
Speaker 7: But I have a buddy who is notorious for his
2:30:44
Speaker 7: consistently very long beards, not just like a shadow like
2:30:48
Speaker 7: you and I usually have like a long beard. And
2:30:50
Speaker 7: he has two girls, and he had to go on
2:30:53
Speaker 7: like a business trip or something where his boss encouraged
2:30:56
Speaker 7: him to clean up, so he just completely shaved it.
2:30:58
Speaker 7: And he came home and they both started, yeah, I've
2:31:00
Speaker 7: seen those videos. They did not believe that it was
2:31:03
Speaker 7: their father.
2:31:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, thankfully.
2:31:05
Speaker 2: I guess I look enough like myself even without the
2:31:07
Speaker 2: beard that my youngest daughter still recognized me.
2:31:10
Speaker 1: She had never seen me without a beard before. Yeah,
2:31:12
Speaker 1: the older two have seen me without a beard.
2:31:14
Speaker 7: And then you do run the risk of the reaction
2:31:17
Speaker 7: of your partner. I'll just say his name, my buddy,
2:31:20
Speaker 7: Trevor and his wife, and I'll shout out Trevor in
2:31:24
Speaker 7: so many ways, and I love his wife, Andrew. She's
2:31:27
Speaker 7: a she's a wonderful woman. Be a lot, but she's
2:31:32
Speaker 7: a wonderful woman, and she a little a little bit
2:31:34
Speaker 7: of fireball. And trev decided to shave his beard one day.
2:31:38
Speaker 7: She came walking in and she's like, I forgot how
2:31:40
Speaker 7: small your face is. You know, So the feedback, you
2:31:44
Speaker 7: run the risk of some rough feedback from the partner, which.
2:31:47
Speaker 1: By the way, like.
2:31:50
Speaker 2: I try not to make sweeping gender based statements here
2:31:54
Speaker 2: on the show for obvious reasons.
2:31:55
Speaker 1: Sure, one thing that is definitely.
2:31:59
Speaker 2: True is that women feel comfortable saying things to their
2:32:02
Speaker 2: husbands that the man would never in a trillion years
2:32:06
Speaker 2: say the equivalent to their wife.
2:32:07
Speaker 7: You don't want my thoughts on this today, Okay, we'll
2:32:11
Speaker 7: talk off air. That is so well said.
2:32:13
Speaker 2: Never in a million years, like my wife's reaction to
2:32:16
Speaker 2: me being clean shaven, if I gave her the equivalent
2:32:20
Speaker 2: reaction to any look that she ever presented, Yeah, I
2:32:23
Speaker 2: would be stabbed.
2:32:24
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, And that's the problem. Can you imagine,
2:32:29
Speaker 7: Like if Kendall decided to get a haircut and she
2:32:31
Speaker 7: came home and You're like, that looks horrible, that makes
2:32:35
Speaker 7: your face look fat, she would divorce you if within
2:32:38
Speaker 7: forty eight hours.
2:32:39
Speaker 2: If she ever, yeah, got a haircut and I was like,
2:32:43
Speaker 2: maybe you should get plastic surgery or those fat dissolving
2:32:48
Speaker 2: injections on your double chin. If I ever said that
2:32:51
Speaker 2: to my wife, maybe you should find a new place
2:32:53
Speaker 2: to live would be the message. Yeah, the double standards
2:32:57
Speaker 2: in male female relationship communication structure.
2:33:01
Speaker 7: It's it's wild. I can't figure it out, not good
2:33:04
Speaker 7: at it, and never gonna figure it out. I'm going
2:33:06
Speaker 7: to clooney it, dude, I am clue. But actually got married,
2:33:08
Speaker 7: didn't he? George Clooney got married? Really, I think he did.
2:33:13
Speaker 7: But he lasted till like maybe mid fifties, So I've
2:33:16
Speaker 7: got another seven or eight.
2:33:17
Speaker 2: Years lest I hope you do, Clooney it because you
2:33:20
Speaker 2: know that means you're a billionaire.
2:33:23
Speaker 7: And you know what if I was, I would do
2:33:25
Speaker 7: what Clooney did. I would have the dinner. I would
2:33:28
Speaker 7: have my friends over million bucks for all of you.
2:33:30
Speaker 1: There you go.
2:33:30
Speaker 7: If I had that disposable income, my friends would I'll
2:33:32
Speaker 7: get a million bucks.
2:33:33
Speaker 9: Right.
2:33:34
Speaker 1: I just want to get on the right side of
2:33:35
Speaker 1: that light of d Marque.
2:33:36
Speaker 7: You need to start being a lot nicer to start today.
2:33:39
Speaker 1: I got it. Do I have to start saying you're
2:33:40
Speaker 1: an adult? Yes, but you're not big enough.
2:33:44
Speaker 7: I'm one hundred and seventy pounds. That's not bad, that's sophomore. Wait,
2:33:51
Speaker 7: what's like the average weight of like a college wide receiver.
2:33:55
Speaker 2: Well, if you play for the University of Colorado, it's
2:33:58
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty five pounds.
2:33:59
Speaker 17: So you're good. Okay, you're good at Primes World, you're
2:34:02
Speaker 17: a grown up. Okay, that works. That works enough.
2:34:05
Speaker 7: How much does Brandon Pagan way like ten pounds? Brandon
2:34:09
Speaker 7: Pagan is two tens.
2:34:09
Speaker 1: He's a big He's six y three.
2:34:11
Speaker 7: Impressive, he is.
2:34:13
Speaker 2: This was everyone was wringing their hands over JJ Buchanan
2:34:16
Speaker 2: transferring to Michigan yeah, Pagan is the same size with
2:34:21
Speaker 2: more production.
2:34:22
Speaker 7: What about Dress Anderson.
2:34:23
Speaker 1: Dress Anderson is probably one ninety.
2:34:26
Speaker 7: Okay, so with a little bit of work, I could
2:34:29
Speaker 7: be Dress Anderson without the speed.
2:34:31
Speaker 1: Let's just I'm gonna look it up.
2:34:32
Speaker 7: Okay, average wide receiver weight in P four college football.
2:34:37
Speaker 2: Here's something that will make you feel terrible. Guess how
2:34:39
Speaker 2: old Dress Anderson is now is? What is his age?
2:34:42
Speaker 7: Twenty fourteen when he had one thousand yards uh? Is
2:34:46
Speaker 7: dress in his thirties? Thirty four years? Wow, that's pretty wild.
2:34:50
Speaker 7: That makes me sad. My son turned twenty five on Sunday. Wow, well,
2:34:55
Speaker 7: I guess it was Saturday. We had his birthday party Sunday.
2:34:57
Speaker 7: But I now have a twenty five year old son.
2:34:59
Speaker 1: That's congratulations.
2:35:01
Speaker 7: Well thank you. But it's I will say this to
2:35:04
Speaker 7: you because right now you're just in the thick of it.
2:35:07
Speaker 7: You got the three little ones. The adult relationship with
2:35:11
Speaker 7: your children is it's a pretty cool thing. What I'm
2:35:13
Speaker 7: saying is there's light at the end of the tunnel.
2:35:15
Speaker 7: Stick with it.
2:35:16
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm enjoying the tunnel.
2:35:17
Speaker 7: Nown six, your wife told you to get plastic surgery.
2:35:23
Speaker 7: How much are you really enjoying the tunnel at this point. Well,
2:35:27
Speaker 7: the kids didn't tell me that fair, No, that's fine,
2:35:29
Speaker 7: all right. One then, yeah, that's the goal for spence check.
2:35:33
Speaker 1: I don't know that I want. I like it. I
2:35:35
Speaker 1: kind of like one seventy. Yeah you look great.
2:35:37
Speaker 7: I'm feeling pretty good.
2:35:37
Speaker 1: But I just can't.
2:35:38
Speaker 7: You're just not a just ground you're just not a
2:35:40
Speaker 7: full adult, and you can't have a million dollars.
2:35:42
Speaker 17: So there you go. Fine, bad trade off. All right,
2:35:48
Speaker 17: stay tuned for the drive we go. Thanks for listening
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Speaker 17: to the Ocddle Show.
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Speaker 1: We'll do it again tomorrow on ESPN seven hundred and
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Speaker 1: ninety two one